Voter ID

Why is the right so afraid of the 4th Amendment?

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Yes. They depend on them to win.

>>135581161
> Do they depend that strongly on fraudulent votes?

Yes, unironically. Voter fraud in the major cities gives the dems an unassailable base.

>California has millions of illegals
>California gives licenses to illegals
>California automatically register you to vote when you get a license
You tell me how much Democrats rely on fraudulent votes.

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>>135581161
I was listening to NPR the other day and they were seriously talking about how requiring ID would be some sort of tactic to suppress voting. Like seriously. I couldn't believe it.
They then went on to talk about how "we don't need more voter suppression, we already have the lowest voter turnouts in the world!" I literally yelled at my radio that that the voter turnout is low because the politicians are low energy hacks and walking advertisements and everyone knows it. Felt good!

>>135582480
It's low turnout mostly due to the fact of the winner take all electoral system discourages voting in obvious states. Swing states typically have 70-85% turnout. Regardless, the "get out the vote" meme is because the vast majority of people that don't vote would vote leftist if they had to because they are politically naive

>>135581326
Why does the left not understand a sentence of the Constitution?

>>135582480
Voter id suppresses the minority vote. It's racism plain and simple.

>>135583618

Isn't it racist of you to >imply minorities aren't capable of doing basic things like getting an ID?

>>135583618
I've never met a legal minority in this country that doesn't have an ID. even on the reservations the poorest indians that want their check have to at least get a state ID. you're racist as fuck for assuming they're all broke tragic figures

>>135581326
Is this a real complaint or just a meme? I don't really see the issue here.

>>135583618
yeah ok
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrBxZGWCdgs

The liberals that cry about voter ID laws are the same faggots that say it's too easy to get a gun.

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>>135581161
>Can the Democrats not win an election if dead people

We're gonna find out in 2020. Trump is going to ram it into place, using the voter fraud panel as the pretext.

Drug tests too keep all the crackhead monkeys out of the voter boxes

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>>135583618

You say it like its a bad thing.

No. There is only evidence of 2 elections (both non National) where voter fraud has helped someone win (both Dems). The problem is that our politics has devolved so much that the left simply opposes it because the right supports it.

>>135583618
>be so stupid you can't figure out how to get voter ID
>still smart enough to get to make decisions about how country is ran

Conservatives have a history of voter suppression, especially that of black people. You can demand everyone have an ID, and then close the DMV except for five hours in the middle of a working Tuesday once a month. It is a two step process, as opposed to a poll tax or a 'literacy' test. Either way, you are taking away votes. The incidence of this sort of voter fraud is infinitesimal.

Donald Bump

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>>135589943

Considering that the left received 5 million vote for Hillary alone due to voter fraud, yes they do need fraud to win.

>>135589943
You just put a target on your own back.

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>>135581161
in the 2000 election, hundreds of Florida polling places were given laptops that were supposed to filter out names and IDs of people who were ineligible to vote, such as, at that time, convicted felons.

Problem was about 10000 of those names, mostly black people WERE eligible to vote.
It never got challenged afterward because, as you will recall, the conservative majority of the Supreme Court ordered the Florida recount to be stopped
So when they set up scanners to automatically check those "IDs", people will be denied to vote because "muh software error"

>>135581161
I spent so much time unrigging the election that I lost my job last november. I personally made sure multiple spics and niggers didn't vote. If you hang out at the polls with your rifle coward leftiesand race mongrels back down real quick.

>>135590269
I do not fear fascists. Bring your 'arguments'.

>>135590398
You talk like this is all a bad thing.

>>135590546
Voter suppression for an entirely unjust reason usually is, yeah.

>>135589943
That would affect white people more than black people because white people have jobs.

Let me break it down for you retards. Voting is a right. But IDs have a barrier to entry. IDs are a privilege and not a right.

Therefore requiring voter IDs turns voting from a right to a privilege. But voting is a right. So voter IDs are illegal.

The left isn't afraid of voter ID. They can just read laws better than you idiots.

>>135581161
If illegals voted republican, the right would be anti-voter ID

>>135581161
They like voter fraud.
Duh.

>>135590274
>about 10000 of those names
see? this is why we need voter id

>>135591023
Lol you just put a wrench in your own argument. They would never vote the right way.

>>135590862
how fucking hard is it to go walk or drive to the courthouse to get a state id?

>>135590862
the act of voting is a barrier to entry then. not everyone can physically vote but they might want to, ever hear of a living coma?

>>135590606
Not when only whites are allowed.

>>135590862
Voting is like reproducing or driving, it's not a right and certain people should never be allowed to do so.

>>135590862
why is there an age restriction then?
>you see, MY barrier to entry is somehow ok.....

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>>135591217
>see? this is why we need voter id
no, idiot, because there is a simple, almost folk-art method to qualify voters at the polling places. The people in charge of those places are actual neighbors who live on the surrounding streets, and they have practical everyday knowledge of who is living nearby.
without a system of "ID", there would be no basis to single out those 10000 names, so they could be denied their vote by "an unfortunate mistake".

>>135590606
no one is suppressed with an ID. Everyone who wants to drive or have residency in a state has to get one.

>>135581161
Why does the conservative narrative rely so heavily on the idea of massive voter fraud when you can't even provide even simple anecdotal cases of it?

>>135591565
you can't just show up, it requires a significant amount of documentation and also costs money, both of those are barriers to entry that make ID a privilege and not a right

>>135591606
Don't be absurd, you cannot know what someone in a coma may or may not want to do, there is a reason mail-in ballots exist for those who cannot physically go to a voting station

>>135591707
Sorry thats just your opinion, it is a right, unlike driving which is a privilege

>>135591911
Because the rights we offer to children and adults are very different. 18 has been determined as the cutoff between that and the point at which you assume full rights of an adult

>>135592207


>no one is suppressed with an ID
here are the exact details of the Florida laptop scheme:

http://prospect.org/article/lynching-black-vote

"As the New York Times first reported, Florida election officials devised a laptop program allowing local election officials to tap directly into the master database in Tallahassee to determine whether a voter who did not show up on local rolls was in fact registered to vote. But only one of the laptop computers was distributed to a black area.

The Times reported that the precincts equipped with laptops favored Bush. In predominantly black precincts, if a voter found his or her name wrongly omitted from the rolls, a harried polling place worker had to try to get through to Tallahassee on the phone, and the lines were invariably busy. In Miami-Dade, black votes were thrown out at four times the rate of white votes.

It also turns out that many of the blacks whose names were mysteriously disqualified were not purged accidentally. As Gregory Palast reported in the internet magazine Salon.com, Republican officials hired ChoicePoint, an outside vendor with Republican ties, to cleanse the rolls of felons - but at least 8,000 names, disproportionately minority, were improperly deleted.

Other black voters reported being harassed, turned away, or given misleading ballot instructions. Republican officials have been quoted suggesting that if a disproportionate share of ballots from black precincts were spoiled, well, you know, these people aren't too smart. Sorry, Florida voters are plenty smart about spotting racism."

>>135590862
pol BTFO

Does anyone remember when O'Keefe got that DNC "organizer" on cam saying they bussed people to vote in multiple locations? I remember.

>>135589943
If you shut down the DMV, you're creating more problems than just not giving out ID to people you don't want voting. Nobody actually does this.

>>135581161
>why is the left so afraid of voter ID
Because it means less votes for democrats
Voter ID is so good that even the most cucked nations in the EU have it

>>135581161
It's because Democrats rely on the black vote to win and blacks are able to live their entire lives without using an ID and in times of need for one they struggle to get it because none of them ever have
>Their Soc Sec card or even remember their number
>Their birth certificate
And on top of all of that most don't know where or how to get either of these two items if they need it. And even more on-top of that they don't know you can acquire a non-drivers license ID.

So when a state passes a voter ID law it basically removes the black vote from that state and blacks would rather bitch and try to get it repealed than to work out some way of getting the paperwork and work out the time necessary to acquire an ID.

>>135581326
The only people who support NSA spying and Patriot Act are neocons, and most people aren't a big fan of those folks, if you couldn't tell by the John McCain cancer celebrations.

>>135592682
>>135592784
Are there seriously shills that believe in not having voter ID
Your views on this are so fucking dumb that even Europe disagrees with you

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>>135590862
>2nd amendment doesn't protect you from needing an ID and following retarded state laws
>b-but voting is sacred and shouldn't be regulated in any way!!!
fuck off retard

>>135581161
>Why is the left so afraid of voter ID? Do they depend that strongly on fraudulent votes?


In the cities, this is possible, but it is more a case of always screaming "racism" at anything the conservatives do, to keep the mindless base as enraged as possible. They have to win on feelings, if they let elections turn to thought and policy, they lose.

>>135593146


>Nobody actually does this.
holy shit dude how stupid can you be
https://thinkprogress.org/after-alabama-enforces-voter-id-shuts-down-dmvs-in-black-communities-lawmaker-wants-investigation-94de2c4a5dd9?gi=adc28ff96057
After Alabama Enforces Voter ID, Shuts Down DMVs In Black Communities, Lawmaker Wants Investigation

>>135593629
Archived that
https://archive.is/bYvew

>>135593313
>The only people who support NSA spying and Patriot Act are neocons,
>who is Rand Paul
That's why all the Democrats voted for it.

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>>135593423
>Europe disagrees with you
and that's probably the only time you ever agreed with Europe

Libs are so fucking stupid
They'll say shit like
>Racism is bad
>NO ONE should be discriminated against
>Everyone is equal
>Non whites are just as capable as whites to do ANYTHING
Someone with logic brings up voter ID
>VOTER ID IS SO RACIST
>YOU SHOULDNT HAVE VOTER ID LAWS. MINORITIES ARE INCAPABLE OF GETTING IDs
Who's the racist now

>>135594050
I don't agree with Europe too much
But on this I do
Anyone with 1/3 of a brain knows that voter ID is good

>>135592682
>Because the rights we offer to children and adults are very different. 18 has been determined as the cutoff between that and the point at which you assume full rights of an adult
very good explanation. now you understand why a voter id is NOT a barrier to entry
after all, the rights we offer to people competent enough to get an id are different than the rights we offer to incompetents that must be cared after

>>135594208
>Anyone with 1/3 of a brain
sometimes the jokes just write themselves

>>135592784
>/prospect.org
>"As the New York Times first reported
did you even look at a single wikileak? you are peddling fake news
which, if true, bolsters the argument for a voter id

>>135581161
Even third world shitholes have voter id.

Some even require you to dip like your thumb or one of your fingers in blue ink after voting.

>>135593565
dont even get me started on destructive device permits

>>135593629
>https://thinkprogress.org/after-alabama-enforces-voter-id-shuts-down-dmvs-in-black-communities-lawmaker-wants-investigation-94de2c4a5dd9?gi=adc28ff96057
> the outcry over this move from civil rights groups, presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, and the Congressional Black Caucus.
more fake news and projection
watch project veritas

>>135594428
>deflecting any form of logic
If you think voter ID is so bad then explain:
Why is requiring a (((((FREE))))) voter ID such a bad thing

>>135583618
Its like Im so far right when I see the actual argument they use I assume your trolling because no sane person can say niggers are too stupid or poor to get IDs with a straight face.

>>135581161
Cold hard actual truth? Three reasons. In increasing order of true importance why they are against it:
1. It helps prevent voter fraud.
2. It WOULD, help, to prevent voter fraud if they wanted to commit it, where they aren't already. It removes a potential tool from the toolbox.

and the biggest reason, in my honest opinion?
3. It prevents total fucking morons that should never, ever vote, from voting.

Having a person be required and show proof they are who they are, to register themselves to vote, to figure the hell out both how to get to the poll they are supposed to get to, And, on top of those mighty-hard orders in order to be able to decide the nations leadership... get an id proving they can vote at the poll?

Requiring photo idea, sorts out people that are prone to tripping on their own drool from voting. But then, how can the practically downs-syndrome level fucktards that are utterly too damned useless in life to have a photo-fucking-id, in the modern age where you NEED shit to ADULT... get his little gibs-vote in for democrat McSugarDaddy and his democrat bus system for shipping in the DumbFucker demographic to the polling stations once every couple years?

It's an obstacle only to complete drooling retards, and crook bastards. I'm not sure I even knew at the time that I needed a photo id shown in order to vote in my state the first time that I did, and I still had the damned thing in my pocket. Because I am not fucking idiotic. I've never felt persecuted that I couldn't pose as LeRoy McDipfuck that lives down the road, that I happen to know is a wino that never voted in his life, two hours later at the same polling station and try to get in an extra vote for my side.

I'm certain however democrats will one day be saying registration to vote itself is racism, because how can that drunkard asshole know in his complete useless stupidity that you have to register instead of stagger belching to the polls to vote for more Schnapps Gibs-checks.

>>135589943
What is a strawman, you double commie.

Voter ID are racist as it suppresses the minoritiy vote. ID was established in first place so that racist police officer could more easy target people of color.

>>135581161
There's nothing wrong with requiring IDs for voting, but making yet another special "Voting ID" you have to apply, wait, and pay for is retarded as fuck.
What's next "Gun Owner ID"?
What about "Free Speech ID"?

Just get rid of fucking social security numbers and stupid state ids, and have one fucking federal identification that you use for everything.

>>135595251
>niggers are too stupid to get an ID
There
That's your point

>>135590274
Hanging chads.
Black vote suppressed.
The day of rope came and went without notice.

>>135581161
Funny, liberals turn into constitutionalists when it fits their agenda.
Something "progressive" like having a voter ID is too far fetched of an idea for these....progressives.
What a joke.

>>135595269
you usually have to give an ID buy a gun legally (a few unscrupulous gun show guys excluded) or to get a concealed carry permit, and the government has a record on everyone...you're a little late to the party there sweetie

>>135595424
No, you are using a strawman. ID requires a lot of money and time. Something which the average black person does not have.

>>135595502
How were people being able to vote in the 19th century when there was no IDs?

>>135595553
>>135595553
> unscrupulous gun show guys
Shut the fuck up you commiefaggot, you don't know a goddamn thing about gun laws

I have three guns, and never showed my id to anyone

>>135581400
>IDs required when voting in a hyper-liberal union election

Made me kek

>>135595269
To have a free voter ID that proves you are an eligible voter is the best way to go

>>135595860
I have a lot more than three and I've had to show ID for all except two, which happened to be at gun shows. I bet your guns are all airsoft you faggot.

>>135583764
Well they aren't... But they still have a right to vote.

>>135582480

That isn't new. I've actually had discussions with people who think that voter suppression is not only a real phenomenon, but it's perpetrated by voter ID's.

>>135595782
>niggers don't have money for an ID
>niggers don't have time for an ID
Yet, he is against racism
>IDs are money consuming and time consuming
What Im for is a voter ID that is (((((FREE))))) so ANYONE who is eligible to vote can get one.

>>135595782
>a lot of money
horseshit, a valid photo-id is basically free. I've lost mine like 3 times over the past 15 years, mostly because I was a dumb teenager/early twenties guy once, and even now, if I was to lose it again, it'd be like a 20 dollar "you are being stupid it's annoying" tax on me, mainly there for being a pain in the ass to the clerks, in place simply to encourage me not to lose it again.

>>135590862
Voting is a right, so, if you allow a non-citizen to vote or a convicted felon to vote, or a minor oto vote, you are depriving a citizen from that right (the illegal vote will undo the legal vote).

So, in order to protect the sacred right to vote, you must ensure that all votes are cast by citizens.

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Even our third world shithole has a (free) voting ID

>>135581400
No one asked for my ID back when I bought a car.
I had to give my name and address but no one ever checked the id.

>>135596570
Same with phones, this list is a bit inflated with false entries.
I would sound better if it had a smaller but truer list.

>>135595251
you're not very understanding of your minority brothers if you think they're too dumb to figure out how to get an ID card. Why do you always sell them short? I'll tell you why because you're racist and don't think they're up to the task. This isn't 1880 anymore where a majority of the negroes in this country had no education. Face it, you use that argument to stop voter ID so your party can commit fraud and continue to steal elections. If not for the electoral college you'd have stolen the Presidential election.

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This entire issue could be avoided if a picture or fingerprint of the voter was collected upon registering and then when they came to vote have the pollster look up their name on a computer database to match with the ID info on file. You already prove you are eligible to vote when initially registering, so the burden should then shift to the State if they want to scrutinize your suffrage after the fact.

The larger issues to me are the retarded notion that in-person voting should be held on a single non-holiday/non-weekend weekday. You should be able to vote in person for an entire month at least, and by mail and/or internet for several months. You can do business, sign legal documents, and register for the draft online and by mail so there is no excuse. AVR, SDR, and especially All-mail-in Ballots systems like in CO and the Pacific North West are already expanding.

>>135583421
Actually, only 5 states even cracked 70% in 2016, and only one of them can credibly be called a swing.
http://www.nonprofitvote.org/documents/2017/03/america-goes-polls-2016.pdf

>>135595782
I didn't know we let retarded libfags post here. I was told that wasn't a thing here.

>>135581161

If voter ID stops minorities from voting, then how does voter ID work in India, a country made up entirely of minorities? Really makes you think.

>>135596747
Over 50% of African Americans in Detroit are functionally illiterate, because their public schools are so bad.

They can't even read what is on their ID so your argument is invalid.

>>135597049
You just proved his point. If they can't read, they can't vote. Simple as that, commie.

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>>135595782
this is an impossibly racist statement, I hope you are aware of that

>>135597165
Seriously. How can a liberal be so racist. I almost think it's a parody.

>>135596106
> projecting
Actually faggot, playing airshit doesn't qualify you as a gun law expert
I made two cash, as a private citizen. And since I'm not a nigger or a numale faggot who looks like a child, the other party didn't ask for id
The third was built from a parts kit and a flat

>>135596001
An ID that is specifically created to give you "permission" to exercise ANY right is the most fucking retarded thing I have ever heard
And before any retard starts putting words in my mouth, I strongly believe we should have a very thorough FEDERAL ID that is multipurpose, not just for voting

>>135596939
>You should be able to vote in person for an entire month at least, and by mail and/or internet for several months. You can do business, sign legal documents, and register for the draft online and by mail so there is no excuse.

You can. It's called early voting. Just have to go to the voter registration clerk, and say "hey. I want to register to vote, by mail now. Oh, and I also like to vote now." or whatever the office is called in your area. My grandparents do it every year. They literally mail you the ballot, and you mail back who you want to vote for.

But see that's probably also racism because ass has to rise from chair and levitate to said office, and you probably, the horror, have to present a photo id proving who you are.

>>135597049
Guys, it's a troll. Literally no one is this stupid.

It's shocking to me that INDIA -- a country of a BILLION people -- can handle voter IDs, but we here cannot?

I thought the Left loved non-whites; if poos can do it, why can't we?

>voter ID is racist, there's no evidence of voter fraud
>also checking for evidence of voter fraud is racist, so don't do that either
The more Democrats push back the more suspicious I get

>>135597160
Denying someone's right to choose their leader, who may draft them, is denying them their right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Just because someone is functionally illiterate doesn't mean they don't deserve the right to determine whether or not they get murdered by the government in a senseless war. I bet you support the mandatory sterilization of low IQ mentally challenged individuals don't you, you heartless bastard.

Because it would mean they can't cheat elections

The only reason I believe that elections here in Poorto Rico are legitimate is because we have Voter ID laws, if we didn't we would just be like another other latin american shithole

>>135581161
>having an ID card
Stay cucked to the government faggot

Leftist here,
1. It makes voting more difficult.
2. There's no reason or need for more difficulty.
3. It's a step towards a national ID w/ biometrics which is something I am (and most right wing people) are staunchly against.)

>>135597049
>using false claims against blacks
Man the dems really haven't changed much have they
>Only half of those stupid niggers can read in Detroit
Actually it's 50 percent of adults
Not 50 percent of blacks
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/858307
>they're schools are so bad
We'll if you want better schools than you'd be for school choice
But you'd rather force blacks into a school that may be shitty and then give them affirmative action which discriminates against whites to make it easy for blacks
Liberals are the real racists here

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>>135590862
You are literally given an ID when you are born, so it is not a privilege.

The point of the ID is because the right to vote ONLY APPLIES to American citizens, and there needs to be a way to confirm that the voter is one.

>>135597556
No I don't. But if you're not educated enough, why should we allow you to vote for how we RUN THE FUCKING COUNTRY?

>>135597424
Nah, he legit wants more Derpder's to keep Detroit so utterly 'Tard it stays asleep.

If a couple slip on their drool and hobble back into the polling station again, I mean, who's counting. Their bravery surely means they should vote twice. Rights 'n shit.

>>135597049
So dumb they can't get a card to prove who they are... yet smart enough to vote for the highest power in the world. Retarded logic.

>>135581326
All amendments have reasonable limits. You cannot offer to pay anyone who will assassinate someone, regardless of your freedom of speech. You cannot own a fully automatic rifle without getting a permit. And you should not be able to vote in a national election without proving you are a US citizen.

>>135597779
Please consider how many 50 IQ bumpkins voted for Trump. If you restricted voting to a degree of education we'd have a communist president every time. Fuck you.

It's not 'the left', it is very specifically the Democratic Party, which relies completely on borderline 'open secret' voter fraud at the state/county/city/local levels. Which is where they make their money (as a Party), through massive corruption and graft enterprises.

>>135597779
The educated vote liberal.

I don't think you really want to do what you're proposing.

Guys, getting an ID involves walking into a DMV and asking for an ID.
If you can't figure that out you probably are too retarded to feed yourself too.

>>135598013
desu the most ignorant assholes I've ever had the misfortune of debating were all liberals. couldn't actually back up anything they believed in and went straight to insults when asked for any kind of specifics or sources. trump supporters will open their wikileaks bookmark and immediately start talking about the Clinton Foundation.

>>135597410
True, however not all states (mine) have it yet (hopefully soon).

>>135581161

>such a lowlife scumbag that you can't get an ID like you get a drivers license

>but you'll vote for a good candidate and not be a manipulated low info/iq voter

>>135598126
You think minorities are so stupid that they can't get a simple ID
There goes half of your voters
You probably don't want that do you?

>>135598013
>50 IQ bumpkins

Citation needed

>>135598271
I bet you're watching infowars right this second aren't you.

Tell me more about population manipulation right after you buy your waterfilters and help save the frogs from turning gay.

>>135598126
not always.

>>135598436
>Implying that the left doesn't manipulate people.

Seriously, this is a troll. Stop feeding it.

>>135589943
>they're trying to suppress our illegal alien vote!

wew

>>135598151
You can also get a state ID

Why do Democrats believe blacks are too stupid and lazy to figure out how to get voter IDs?

>>135598436
>completely avoids his point and implies that he watches info wars
Wow liberals don't have any logic

>>135598463
The vast majority of high IQ people are on the left. That's not up for debate. You do not want an IQ requirement to vote.

>>135598763
Because only massa is smart enough to know whats in their best interest

>>135598436
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2842049/ this is why Alex said the frogs are turning gay. do some fucking research before you make an ass out of yourself revealing your true ignorance level.

>>135598763
Because deep down, they are just as racist as white nationalists. They believe they are easy to manipulate so they sucker them into voting for them while masquerading it with "charitable" language.

>>135598846
Sauce?

>>135590862
People driving themselves to the polls. And don't have an ID.

>>135598605
>>135598339

Ungah Bunga. Want Gibs.

We Democracy now.

>>135598846
I don't want an IQ requirement. I want them to be able to READ. If that's too much to ask, tough fucking shit.

>>135598846
Also >not up for debate

Found another troll.

>>135581161
Because IDs cost money and are a pain in the ass to get and you pretty much only get one if you own a car and poor urban voters (democrats) don't own cars and therefore they don't have IDs. It would ensure that many of them don't vote just because you're imposing a large burden, financial and otherwise, on them.

I'm a liberal and I support voter ID, but only if issue people IDs with taxpayer money and make it mandatory for everyone to get one.

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>>135598954
Agree
Here's the start of progressive democrats in a nutshell (pic related)

>>135590862
Voting used to come with a cost, like if the candidate you voted for took us to war, you had to go fight that war because you were an 18 year old man, or having to pay taxes that the candidate you voted for levied.
Now there's no responsibility, you just vote in your best interest. Half the country doesn't pay taxes, and half the country is women, who used to not have to go to war.
Voting becoming a right has destroyed America.

>>135581161

Democrats are liars, losers and thieves. So yeah. They are all for voter fraud because that is the ONLY way they can win elections.

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>>135598436

>>135581161
Hillary got at least 5 million illegal votes and if that voter fraud committee pence is supposed to be leading doesn't get any results this country is over.

>>135599231
What we (pro voter ID fags) want is a simple ID that proves you're an eligible voter that is free
Is that too much to ask

>>135597276
>An ID that is specifically created to give you "permission" to exercise ANY right is the most fucking retarded thing I have ever heard
birth certificates

>>135589943
Fuck literacy, I'm voting regardless.

>>135593629
fucking based

>>135598888
quads of quality

>>135598436

triggered lol

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So why dont people Just get a vote home by mail that you take with you to your Local voting Booth and it only Works there, and only get to vote after showing ID and vote-paper?

>>135598888
Checked

>>135599535
I don't think so but most proposals I see just want people to use a form of ID that already exists and people have to pay for. If they make it free and mandatory then I don't see how anyone could have a problem with it. Even if this isn't a big issue now, it potentially could be. Anyone could hire a few people to go around to different districts in swing states and impersonate voters who haven't shown up to the polls in 40 years. It's a potential flaw in our election structure that needs to be fixed.

>>135584391
Inner city blacks don't have IDs because when they get hassled by the police it's easier to evade a warrant arrest if they don't have an ID.

>>135599535
Are you going to require ID to get the ID that costs money, or are you going to make that free, too?
Are you going to put onerous requirements to demonstrate poverty on getting the ID?
Are you going to only put the places that offer the free ID in remote places so its hard, and expensive to get them?

>>135599416
Holy shit, does this mean that California will be blue in the next election?

>>135599953
so you're saying they shouldn't get an id because they want to commit crimes and evade the warrants, and somehow they should still vote? is that seriously your fucking argument?

>>135600084
It means that Commiefornia needs to get bombed by NK OR finally float away.

>>135599962
>Are you going to require ID to get the ID that costs money
>Are you going to put onerous requirements to demonstrate poverty on getting the ID
>Are you going to only put the places that offer the free ID in remote places so its hard, and expensive to get them
No no no! None of these things
All I want is a (((((FREE))))) voter ID that proves you're an eligible voter that can be obtained in a DMV office that is near everyone.
Why are libcucks against this

>>135589943
>Conservatives have a history of voter suppression, especially that of black people.
is that why democrats fought so hard to keep blacks from voting in the first place?

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Because if you audit your voter rolls regularly it makes concerted effort at fraud literally impossible because someone is going to notice that the same person is attempting to vote twice or no longer lives in a given district. Attorneys have dedicated years to litigating cases of fraud and we barely get several of actual convictions nationwide during election years and they're just as frequently legal migrants.

Most of the evidence used to substantiate widespread frauds is poling data where people are asked if they're citizens and whether they voted. Which is nonsense because 1 out of 20 people not responding to questions accurately on an anonymized survey does not substantiate that 5% of votes are illegal.

It's also problematic because getting valid identification is really hard for some people. I know this seems counter-intuitive, but first you have to have access to paperwork that substantiates who you are. There have been cases of people who have had to pay hundreds of dollars and make multiple interstate trips to get this.

Voter ID would prevent a million people from voting for every instance of fraud, it would make elections far less representative. There's also apprehension of any policy that standardizes the process by which voting is conducted across states any more than absolutely necessary. Some built-in chaos makes "gaming" the system much more difficult.

they're fucking stupid. I keep up with pretty much every socialist tendency in the US and all of them support voter ID

it's a mystery why democraps don't support it

>>135600814
>legal migrants
*legal voters

>>135590862
owning a gun is a right too. remove the ID requirement for purchase.

>>135600857
I'd be willing to support it but there has to first be some effort to provision all citizens with valid ID.

>>135600084
No it means California has a problem with illegal aliens

>>135600705
Because they'll never win another election if they can't get people to fraudulently vote 10 at a time.
There's a reason Hillary only won in high gib areas with lax voter id regulations.

>>135592558
you won't find evidence you refuse to acknowlege. Many people in prison right NOW for voter fraud. google works.

>>135595251
>Voter ID are racist as it suppresses the minoritiy vote
describe in detail the difference between a white and a black getting an ID.

>>135583618
95% of literal poo in loo Indians have photo IDs to vote. If Pajeet can wade through knee high shit in sandals, Jamal can waddle to the DMV with his jeans at his thighs.

>>135597556
name 3 people denied an ID. bet you can't.

>>135601811
You see anon, niggers are too dumb to get an ID.
That''s the subtext of the whole debate.
Niggers are too dumb to acquire an ID....but we should let them vote. gotta love liberals.

>>135597049
>African Americans
You mean niggers?

>>135581161
>Do they depend that strongly on fraudulent votes?
Yes.

I found it absurd that India could organize a vote system that is more fair and organized, but they still wipe their ass with their hands and shit in streets.

It makes me wonder if the west has their priorities straight. Hopefully this president fixes shit.

>>135598846
>That's not up for debate.
intelligent people doesn't close debates.

How likely would it be for Democrats to give undocumented people citizen ship en masse, if they got rid of all voter ID laws?

>>135602383
He'll fix shit alright.
Jack shit.

You aren't a patriot if you voted for a leader who is talking about pardoning himself when accused of colluding with a foreign government.

>>135581161
Words can't express how much I love the yeb face swap

>>135582480

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrBxZGWCdgs

voter id laws are racist because blacks are too stupid to get an ID

>>135597276
the ID doesn't give permission to vote. It proves you are a citizen with the right to vote. Without the ID, every Pooinloo could vote here.

>>135602741
I wonder what is stupider
Voter ID
Or
Affirmative Action

>>135590862
It's a right to a legal citizen of the USA. To prove your citizenship you have an id. Therefore should need id to vote. Fucktard

>>135582480
NPR news is fucking trash. I do really love some of their programs that they put out, but I wish they would wear their political affiliation on their chest like everyone else instead of purporting to be an objective centrist source of news. I'm more than willing to expose myself to the ideas of those who disagree with me, but the fact that they present their side from the position that it is objective truth infuriates me.

>>135582480
We listened to the same commie 90.1. Fuck Amy Goodman she's a fucking terrorist. Eco terrorists were on yesterday talking about destroying pipelines.

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>>135603478
Fucking Audie Cornish too.

>>135603478
>Eco terrorists were on yesterday talking about destroying pipelines.

>claim to fight for the planet
>destroy pipeline; whereby causing significant damage to the surrounding area
>pipe is rebuilt
>???

>>135583618
what do you think minorities are too retarded to drive or take the bus to the dmv and get a ID?
Kill yourself, get jesus to raise you from the dead, then kill yourself again you racist hypocritical piece of shit.

>>135590862
Guns are a right. Gotta have whole lot more then ID to get one of those nowadays. If it's good for the goose then it's good for the gander.

Besides. Voting is a right of a citizen. You have to provide proofs of citizenship to access that right.

>>135584660
Typical Dems, assume all minority citizens are too stupid to obtain ID and signal their virtue to opposing laws the people they "defend" support.

>>135581161
It's a waste of money because the total quantity of voter fraud is low. The left mainly hates it because poor people and niggers won't bother voting if they have to jump through a hoop to do it. They don't like to do things that's why they're poor in the first place.

>>135590862
?????? I registered to vote when I got my license renewed. And I didn't even go to the dmv or dot to do that. I did it at the fucking library. If poor stupid blacks and Muslims can't make it to the library of all places with $20 to spare, they shouldn't be voting at all. PERIOD.

>>135597995
This.