communism will win
I hope it does because it'll end up destroying our civilization so we can go back to our ancient ways
>>135562338
It has to because of technology. We shouldnt have to work.
>>135562338
When the robots are in the fields & self driving electric cars are abundant... communists will win, no longer have a need for human workers - no money for food = revolution. I am a Nationalist
>>135562338
How's Venezuela doing?
>>135562338
Care to elaborate? So far it's never won.
t.
what is shitpost for 400
t. OP
>>135562338
I love that you posted the original pic where the soldier on the bottom right is wearing two watches, implying of course that he was looting corpses, which he most likely was.
Soviet propaganda later airbrushed the original.
>>135562338
Current communist countries: China, Cuba, Laos, North Korea, and Vietnam. Yeah you guys are really taking over aren't ya
>>135562338
Elaborate on why that is. China and Cuba are both becoming more capitalist, North Korea is a shithole always on the brink of starvation, Vietnam has already become quite capitalist, and Venezuela is on the verge of civil war.
>>135562338
gommunins lost every time. it will lose in future again!
>>135563224
>communists will win, no longer have a need for human workers
There's always fascism or distributism, assuming the automation meme is real.
>1 post by this id
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>>135562338
>communism will win
>posted from my iPhone
>*sips Starbucks latte
>mfw I see a capitalist
>>135564184
what is bait for 100
>>135562338
...a helicopter ride?
>>135564078
kek
>>135562338
лoш ти e бaитoв бopиc
>>135562338
Automation will make Communism even more of a meme than it already is.
>>135562338
Fuck communism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNuYGxMV-xQ
>>135562338
Hey look a country that was shit before and during its communist rule.
>>135562338
>completely destroyed city
>shit cars on the road
>Communist flag
everything checks out actually
>>135562338
Distributism will win.
>>135565387
http://thenewobjectivity.com/pdf/marx.pdf
>>135564184
Hello el rato
>>135572565
Why is santa wearing a suit?
sooooooo what's happening in Venezuela?
>>135562338
Communism = death by niggers.
They West would become one giant favela.
REV UP THOSE CHOPPERS
>>135565387
>>135572565
>mass automation happens
>the people rebel and institute a communist society
>automation now allows 1 man to do the work of 100
>individuals start taking advantage of this to own their own factories and land
>some people get upset, but the individuals point out that they are simply following communism, since they (the workers) are the ones who are owning the means of production, and they are not hiring anybody nor exploiting their work
>soon these individuals start cooperating with each other, forming voluntary governments and organizations
>they cooperate to cut off the other commies from resources, while building robotic Privatized Death Squads to mow down anyone who tries to fight them
>the people would fight this, but technically they are still just obeying communism as Marx intended
>>135563412
>>135564184
Capital employs machinery, rather, only to the extent that it enables the worker to work a larger part of his time for capital, to relate to a larger part of his time as time which does not belong to him, to work longer for another. Through this process, the amount of labour necessary for the production of a given object is indeed reduced to a minimum, but only in order to realize a maximum of labour in the maximum number of such objects. The first aspect is important, because capital here -- quite unintentionally -- reduces human labour, expenditure of energy, to a minimum. This will redound to the benefit of emancipated labour, and is the condition of its emancipation
>communism
>win
Pick one faggot, communism in theory means everyone is a fucking loser equally. Of course, it's never been able to even accomplish that.
New BadMouse video comrades
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J10jKdPRN9A
>>135574473
>means everyone is a fucking loser equally
I think you are confused. In capitalism, if you aren't a capitalist YOU are a LOSER. In communism, everyone controls the means of production so EVERYONE wins. There is literally nothing wrong with the working class pursuing the interests.
Also
>Losers
Kek
>>135573783
Butthurt Communist detected.
>>135574832
Butthurt Capitalist detected.
>>135562338
We all know who won cold war.
Also lets thank based Franco from purging reds who wanted to impose communism on Spain, killed priests and wanted to forbid religion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Terror_(Spain)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_sqgrz5IaM
>>135574785
>In communism, everyone controls the means of production
False, the WORKERS own the means of production. That means that if I, a worker, can use myself (aided by automation) to run a whole factory (or multiple factories, thanks to automation) and I can own these factories and all that they produce, because I am, after all, a worker.
>>135576236
Oh cool so that means since the means of production are publicly owned workers can come in and start working. Goods to be freely distributed to society.
>Comrade Borris
>this is /pol/ command
>July 15 Twenty Sixteen in the Year of our Lord
>We have created Communism/Solicalism thread number 1135 at 17:48 hours
>Existence seems futile
>must persist
>>135576680
>workers can come in and start working
Except they can't, because there is no work for them to do, because I, the worker who runs and manages the robots, and thus the one who rightfully owns and reaps the rewards of the automated factories, have no positions left for them to work in. The goods will not be freely distributed to society, they will be distributed to me, the worker, who has the right to the full value of my labor.
>>135577779
>>135578006
>because I, the worker who runs and manages the robots
I doubt you can do everything nor are specialized in all the different jobs
>one who rightfully owns and reaps the rewards of the automated factories
Don't be surprised when products like food and healthcare don't get distributed back to you. If one person can fully work a factory then we are at post-scarcity.
>>135562338
you mean like how it won in the 20th century?
Reminder to all communists, if communism really happens, they will be the first ones to die.
>>135578494
>I doubt you can do everything
I can manage the robots, they will handle everything else.
>>135578494
>Don't be surprised when products like food and healthcare don't get distributed back to you
I won't need them, I'll either be making my own food and healthcare or I'll be trading with like-minded individuals for it.
>>135562338
I will shoot at you if you try to implement it in my country
>>135572902
>>135564078
>>135578864
>>135578747
Rightists are weak. Leftists are organized and effective.
>>135564184
What an alpha, unlike coward Hitler.
>>135562998
Cultural revolution will kill your connection to the history and your culture.
>>135578903
It IS hypocritical to live in a capitalist society and not be working in a coop, commune, or as a self-employed person.
I don't think so, Boris.
SLIDE
THREAD
>>135579058
>>135579089
>>135579089
Guess you didn't read the Communist Manfiesto.
>>135562338
>[COLLAPSE]
jej
>>135562338
>>135579031
And yet for some reason we still live in a capitalist country and capitalism blows communism the fuck out of the water
MARX WAS A LAZY NEET FAGGOT JUST LIKE YOU
cry more
>>135562338
communism dies in darkness
>>135562338
>Number of times communism has succeeded
>Number of times capitalism has succeeded
>>135562338
Communism has been tried in excess of 20 times and it has never been successful.
Fascism, on the other hand, has worked every time it's been tried. Even in Francoist Spain, which was left isolated after WWII, it held out for another 40 years.
>>135579263
Why are you showing an anarcho flag that is more associated with utopian communism?
Marx wasn't a utopian. He was a scientific communist.
>>135562338
Yea, sure. It has a great historical track record.
Saged
>>135579189
Ok
So leave
>>135579189
>>135579235
The problem here is that by working for the capitalist class you are actively upholding capitalism far more than you will ever be able to help tear it down. If you are a worker who is not self-employed or part of a coop or commune, you are in fact, a lumpenprole.
>Communism will win
>no super power is a communist state
>lesser countries that are communist are failing
>idiotic communists claim those failing countries aren't true communism anyways
Communism failed senpai.
>>135579478
No
>>135579263
>posts this form computer that was build under supervision of the Chinese communist party
>>135578903
Communism is just like Feudalism in that sense
>>135579528
>>135579528
China is superpower desu.
>>135579645
Did Che genuinely believe that the Americans would embrace communism?
>>135579512
"The weapons with which the bourgeoisie felled feudalism to the ground are now turned against the bourgeoisie itself.
But not only has the bourgeoisie forged the weapons that bring death to itself; it has also called into existence the men who are to wield those weapons — the modern working class — the proletarians." - Marx & Engels, Communist Manifesto
>>135579459
Marx was a lazy NEET nigger that impregnated his house maid while married and then locked her in the basement. He also used services and took products from people promising to pay them back and yet he never did. He exploited the very working class he pretended to be a advocate for.
Marx was the first leftist entitled nigger and so are you for following him.
>>135579718
>China allows private property
I think you should read up on what communism is comrade.
>>135579718
A capitalist superpower sadly
>>135579655
>modern china
>communist
Where are all the cries for "ITS NOT REEEEEEEAL COMMUNISM"?
>>135579425
>this amount of logic is common on /pol/
>both are dead ideologies
>mentions spain (one of the few times the ideology hasn't been toxicly agressive, because they fought themselves)
>does not mention how long the USSR lasted (almost 70 years)
wew leave it to book burning nazis to trust another dictatorship despite them failing every time they have been tried
>commies want to end this
Cucks.
Egalitarianism should only extend to your nation and race. Fuck the 3rd-world. Let's exploit the shit out of them. More gibs for white workers.
>>135579705
>the system of capitalism needs some blood to suck
Literally
>>135564184
I thought communists hated Stalin? You know, because he hated gays and banned abortion? Strange how he's the only one they ever use in their gifs.
>>135579869
PRC abandoned pro-communist policies in the 1970s.
Communism is the ideal state of the world and it will win
>>135564021
>communism has a bad trackrecord
>lets try something worse, like fascism
>>135579755
Except by working for the capitalists you are handing the weapons with which you are supposed to fight capitalism to the bourgeois, thus giving them the advantage.
>>135580043
>>135579861
Market socialism is the natural development of Marxism.
>>135579869
Well, its technically just market socialism.
>>135579864
No, they are mixture of socialism and capitalism but lean to the socialist side heavily since most corporations are owned or directed by the state and/or common funds.
>>135562338
same system, different failures = commiecrap!
>>135580161
Distributism it is then.
>>135580090
>being this much of idealist refusing to formulate new theory nor accept it
>>135580234
>Market socialism is the natural development of Marxism.
But worker exploitation is not.
LOL
>>135580226
The international commie is why they hate nationalism
I'd rather be a gay trans black muslim than a commie.
>>135580273
nah if we are going that rute, i would rather try anarcho syndicalism
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/photography/proof/2017/07/hong-kong-living-trapped-lam-photos/
>Capitalists will vehemently defend this
>>135580043
Lenin's wife also opposed abortion.
Sagerino
>>135579058
Allows us to make something new, which is also better than the shit we have now
>>135562338
Even when you get rid of all opposition communism will never win. You seem to forget that the biggest enemy of communism is itself
>>135580404
Communism is interNATIONALISM not antinationalism.
>>135580379
>GIB JOB
>no
wtf I hate capitalism now!!!
>>135580577
Nah communism is the end logical conclusion. We literally have to do nothing as and communism would eventually happen naturally. Just how capitalism was natural after feudalism.
>>135580518
Looks /comfy/
Is the competition who can die first?
>>135580643
this
>>135580685
Fascist ethno states man. Communism will come to rise with Africa as the population center of earth??? Get real.
>>135580685
>And then >>135573242 happens
You know, now that I think about it, I guess a communist revolution wouldn't be so terrible.
>>135580778
Fascism has no solution to the economic problems society currently faces.
Capitalism divides society into a bourgeoisie that benefits from the system and a proletariat that spend their lives working to enrich the bourgeoisie. And the proles are never going to stop fighting back, because the material conditions produced by capitalism leave them with no choice.
Capitalists can win a thousand times without destroying communism; because communism is itself a creation of workers' conditions under capitalism. Communism only needs to win once.
>>135580959
This. Well said
>>135580348
There is no exploitation if all nor most of the profits go towards the common funds.
>>135580924
Retraining programs and conscription.
>>135579947
>does not mention how long the USSR lasted
Note how I said in isolation. The USSR did not exist in isolation.
>>135580685
>communism is the end logical conclusion.
It's the conclusion of human life. It will never happen because it goes against nature.
>inb4 read some marxist bastard
No thanks history and biological group identity has give us enough proof.
>>135562338
>wanting to give all the powers to one person or one party
>cheering
>doesn't care if said person or party causes or had caused suffering
communists are the ultimate cucks, and socialists are in second place.
>>135581116
>no exploitation
>massive industrial pollution
>have safety nets to keep workers from killing themselves
>produce much of the western worlds products for capitalist profits
>>135580959
>Communism only needs to win once.
And then >>135573242 happens.
>>135580924
Same as communism just allows for a more diverse economy with private property rights and racially based. National not international either. Also your base in the US is unreliable, Non whites and old white women/single white women between 25 - 34 are not a winning team. Remember in 1970 those who indentified as non Hispanic white as well as conservative/Christian were 33% of the population. In 2017 it's close to 43%.
>>135581406
What's with your flag?
>>135581406
>implying
Power will always be in the hands of a few above you and me.
>>135581155
I don't think that would solve the problems inherent to the capitalist system.
>>135581238
Communism isn't against all hierarchy, we are against the unnatural capitalist hierarchy based of luck and pure exploitation of the system.
>>135581406
>>wanting to give all the powers to the workers
ftfy
>>135580234
China is not market socialist. China is state capitalism coupled with extreme authoritarianism.
>>135581579
So is the far right but you say people can't own things, also inter populace competition.
>>135581579
>I don't think that would solve the problems inherent to the capitalist system.
I think it would. At least we wouldn't have to deal with the problems inherent to the communist system.
>>135581579
You don't care about the working class communism is based off of rabbinical dictatorships and worse than (((capitalism))). Look what communists in Britain do to the mostly white working class their.
>>135581874
*there*
>>135580226
This.
>>135581699
>you say people can't own things
What do you mean? We are just against private property, not personal property. People can own things but not means of production that they use to squeeze profits from the proles. Communism also has competition. Different factories competing with one another or scientific research groups competing. But also there is collaboration. If someone finds an innovation, it is shared instead of restricted behind a copyright or company trade secret.
The second biggest problem in marxism is that it is inherently materialistic dividing humanity in categories defined by wealth not spiritual or racial.
>>135582053
Good distinction.
>>135581579
>>>>wanting to give all the powers to the workers
HA sure, the workers get the power. Dictatorship of the (((proletariat))), amrite?
>>135562338
Communism will see its demise in WW3
or am I wrong?
>>135581438
Long as the state and the party are the major benefactors form this I don`t see an issue. Time for ideological puritanism is not now, nor time for sectarian politics.
>>135581673
Nope, since chinese constitution grantees freedom of speech,association,right to demonstrate ect. China is not authoritarian state.
Since the state directs the economy according to national interests it can be at best considered as mixed economy but market socialism is much more realistic description.
>>135582053
Or you could just actually enforce taxes by getting rid of loopholes on corporations like we were doing just 50 years ago with a solid manufacturing base.
>>135581874
Ok let's keep capitalism where poor working class whites in West Virginia are dirt poor despite producing tons of coal. Why? Because most of the profits go to the rich capitalists. They don't do any of the hard backbreaking, health hazardous labor but they extract the most profit. These same elite flood your country with foreign labor to drive down the cost of wages.
>>135582443
>Long as the state and the party are the major benefactors
So literally fascism then.
>>135582443
China is more like Hitler's Germany I'm sure you can be a racist anti globalist in china.
>>135582599
It's local democrat unions but I'm still pro union regardless.
>>135563229
Venezuela is socialist also know as comunism's autistic brother who shits on the floor
<What do you mean? People can own things but not means of production that they use to squeeze profits from the proles.
So if you think that anyone who can own the means of production can and will squeeze the proles. What makes you think that the government will do any different.
In fact they are more likely to do this because they control all the power of the country, unlike a company.
>>135582599
Thanks to Capitalism I'm allowed to larp and shitpost in my free time. No king or emperor before me had such privilege. But i think i'd get some bread every week in a communist regime, so there's that.
>>135580924
Except it does. Fascist economics evolved out of syndicalism and are influenced largely by socialism, the significant difference being that fascist economics are intended to work on a national scale. This as opposed to communism, which holds out for an international revolution with little chance of happening and instead gets stuck with a super-totalitarian form of state capitalism which it never intended for. The whole premise behind communism is close to impossible.
>>135582472
True, since Reagan these corporate tax rates have been really low. Trickle down economics they call it. Unfortunately wealth inequality increased. Bannon actually called for a 44% marginal tax rate for the wealthy. But what's to stop the corporations from leaving the country as they did in France?
>>135582443
It isn't market socialism
>Analysis of the "Chinese model" by the economists Julan Du and Chenggang Xu finds that the contemporary economic system of the People's Republic of China represents a state capitalist system as opposed to a market socialist system. The reason for this categorization is the existence offinancial marketsin the Chinese economic system, which are absent in the market socialist literature and in the classic models of market socialism; and that state profits are retained by enterprises rather than being equitably distributed among the population in abasic income/social dividendor similar scheme, which are major features in the market socialist literature. They conclude that China is neither a form of market socialism nor a stable form of capitalism.[69]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_capitalism#People.27s_Republic_of_China
There are no orivate corporations in market socialism. It's all worker co-ops. Yugoslavia was market socialist, not China.
>>135583110
Yes indeed pro workers right wingers are very bad goyim and the conservative/Christian white American population with a birth rate of 2.4 average age of 39 are voting very nicely now we don't need anything like communism but I wish my peers knew we could probably make a collectivized society work.
>>135580924
Are you retarded?
It produced economic miracles
>>135583110
Border adjustment tax and lowering actual tax rates for competition China's off hand approach is similiar a to trump's but they are starting from two different places.
>>135583068
>>135583475
I'd like to agree with you but this didn't happen in Fascist governments. It just degraded to corporatism.
>>135583303
>hong kong anti-communist professors are the ones you should believe
>communism will win
Venezuela in turmoil, North Korea is a shithole, China is becoming capitalist, Soviet Union imploded, Cuba is becoming capitalist, Vietnam is already mostly capitalist. Are you tired of winning yet?
Failed ideology general. Constantly collapses or ends up going back to capitalism in the end like China and becoming far better off for it.
>>135583735
>every major economist describes it as state capitalism
>i-it's all capitalist propaganda
Fucking kill yourself. China has already set up multiplr free market zones like Shangai and Shenzhen where most of the economic growth is generated. Fuck off back to leftypol.
>>135583604
Corporatism is the point anon. Fascist corporatism is very similar to National Syndicalism. In fact, the Nord countries used a form of social corporatism known as "Folkhemmet" to great success for about 40 years.
>>135562338
>bragging about the heat death of the universe
Commies getting desperate
hey guys :DDDDDDDDDDDDD
>>135583604
>fascist are corporate fascist
you do realize that is the point, yes?
It's why it worries world banks so much, it's the marriage of two economic systems to work on behalf of a single nation.
>leftypols owner
>>135581579
>Communism isn't against all hierarchy
>Equal and free society
>isn't against all hierachy
Leftypol you are in fire today.
>>135563629
Jesus Christ, just end yourself
>>135574785
>it works in my mind therefore there's nothing wrong with it.
Have you ever considered that you might be a fucking moron?
>>135580685
> Communism is the inevitable natural progression of human social evolution.
> Ignores the 50 failed communist states that either self-cannibalized and reverted back to capitalism or are despotic authoritarian monarchies like North Korea. Lol
But, not real communism right?
Is this really how commies think feudalism transitioned to capitalism?
As if we tried capitalism, but everyone starved, so we all went back to monarchy while a bunch of fedora Ancaps cried "it wasn't real capitalism?
Marxists refuse to read history. But they have a reason: ALL of history is revisionist capitalist propaganda.
Their solution to this is to create their own revisionist history that trends toward a communist utopia, and the best part is, it's inevitable so you don't even have to do anything about it! The perfect NEET ideology.
>>135578673
Based Broz
>>135585125
Equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome. In the USSR everyone got free education and could pursue their interests. There was also a big focus on STEM. The fact is hierarchy is a natural part of this reality. Some workers are better, more experienced, and productive than other workers. If you believe in the hierarchy of the family unit. USSR had hierarchy in military obviously. A fully equal and free society in this way is just a strawman against communism which is simply the abolishment of the capitalist hierarchy and nothing more.
>>135586882
Oh but it did work :^)
>>135580519
Fascinating, I'm sure George Bush's wife opposed war.
>>135587294
Post your Titos
NOT ON MY WATCH
>>135587858
>>135588269
>>135582907
>Venezuela is socialist also know as comunism's autistic brother who shits on the floor
How's the Soviet Union doing?
>>135588214
Based Truman
>>135562338
How can a parasite win ? It dies once the host dies.
>>135589312
Margot Honecker died a peaceful death in your precious Chilli.
>>135573242
If one includes their own body as "a means of production" then technically it would belongs to the commies in such a scenario as you layout, anon.
>>135562338
can't win against hunger
>>135573783
Mere Assertion is a logical fallacy. You have to make points backed up by historical facts.
>>135579869
Only Capitalism is real Communism.
>>135580012
So you're implying Communism will implement a 90% blood tax?