Civic nationalism and multiculturalism

>>135553920
It's an improvement desu sempai. You retards need to learn to take what you can get for once.

>>135554176
Why is it an improvement? Care to expand on your thoughts?

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>>135554176

>>135554327
Every Nigger now becomes a Hard working Republican

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>>135556548
>Nigger
>Hard Work
Kek

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>>135553920
Do you hate blacks for the way they act or the way they look? If it is the former, then you should be a civic nationalist. If it is the latter, you are basically a nigger as the mere presence of someone who looks different from you is enough to send you into an animalistic rage.

>one white guy in a pool filled with blacks
>OP assumes that it's all the blacks who are invading the white guy's area

can't make this shit up desu

>>135557163
The way they act is tied to the way they look, because of genetics.

You will not fix niggers.

Even if niggers had 0 problems, the interbreeding is still a concern.

Civic nationalism unites people
Ethnic nationalists also divides people
Multiculturalism destroys people

There is plenty of difference on paper, but civic nationalism will always turn into multiculturalism over time because of biological reality.

Civic nationalists are just cowards who won't go all the way because they're afraid of being judged.

>>135554176
By the time you move to establish the 4th reich there'd be no white people left. Only a silly goy would play by the jewish rules.

>>135554176
As opposed to what? The point of the image is that there's no difference between "taking what you can get" and losing absolutely.

>>135553920
The niggers don't hate/want to rob you

>>135557532
>Ethnic nationalists also divides people
Those divisions are created by nature. The nationalist is simply aware of those divisions and rather than dreaming of a utopia deals with reality.

>>135553920
None, both have nothing to do with whites.

Civic nationalism posits a unifying political mindset. People might speak different languages at home or have different religions, but they agree on how the state should be constituted, know the same national myths, have the same aspirations for their nation, are all willing to undertake national service, etc. Immigrants can maintain most expressions of their culture, but are expected to adapt to Our Way of Doing Things.

Under pure multiculturalism, none of that happens. The state and the national mythos are plastic, and they change to adapt to incoming immigrants. Some groups of immigrants may despise the existing national myths or try to replace them with their own, see the state as an oppressor, try to change the role of the state in society, etc. And this is just fine, because it's an expression of their culture, and the multiculturalist cannot favor one culture over another.

>>135557844
None of that happens under civic nationalism either. It's a myth. Someone who doesn't even speak the same fucking language as you is not going to be in unity with you.

>>135557532
>Ethnic nationalists also divides people

I'd say more accurately that ethnic nationalists separates people.

>>135558077
>Someone who doesn't even speak the same fucking language as you is not going to be in unity with you.

Then why do I keep seeing these Nazi LARPers on /pol/ who can't speak a lick of German?

>>135558184
Even that is unfair, because people are separated by nature. The knowledge that a nation is a grouping of people bound by common race, religion, language, history and customs was a very common knowledge until a few decades ago when the Jews took over every aspect of media and education. Ethnic nationalism is the norm and always has been, it is the civic nationalists and multiculturalists who are the freaks.
>>135557384
Do you think blacks, especially what appears to be African blacks, could build and maintain that pool?

>>135556768
I got one better.
>nigger
>father

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I always wondered why the reason there's so much fuss around what civic nationalism is (which I still can't figure out since no one can agree upon it here)

It seems that the most Americans on here want the US to be like Europe, well Europe pre-WWII anyways demographically speaking, while Europe today is trying to be like a US style melting pot.

I don't think it can work either way, the US is not Europe and Europe is not the US despite what the emotional people on /pol/ may think. You've got to defer to the history of both Countries/Continents to see that one is not like the other.

>>135558703
The United States was never founded as a "melting pot". That is a Jewish myth.

There is no difference.Civic nationalism is a form of multiculturalism

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>>135558807
Not founded but it became one eventually but like I think you're implying, not for non-Europeans. Personally I wonder how many White Americans would be rejected from a European Ethnostate because their family history looks like pic related.

>tfw CAPTCHA says GOYSTADION

>>135556768
Nature vs nurture.

>>135553920
Asian-Aryanism is the only answer.

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>>135553920

Starship Troopers is the only workable form of CivNat Tbh

>>135559081
>eventually

In 1965.

>>135559246
Add a little bio-eugenics and bam, anime becomes real life

>Hafus will rule the world in your life time

Feelsgoodman

>>135559549
All we need is Bugs to fight

>>135559706
>not the early 20th century
>Leaf not knowing history

fucking dumbass

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>>135559732
Forgot pic

>>135553920
Civic nationalism is based on a tolerance for other ethnicities, not for non-compatible cultures. Do not conflate the two.

Multiethnic societies can and do work, multicultural ones, generally speaking, do not.

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Why doesn't isreal except multiculturalism?
Why is it only the white nations even care?

>>135559739
>All we need is Bugs to fight
The Jew

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The difference is clear
civic nationalism restricts and reforms immigration, shuts down migration and population replacement

and white nationalism is where edgy teens larp as nazis to support the attempt of the elites to start a race war.

one is helpful to humanity and would in a practical way ensure a future for white children. the other is edgy retardation that fails at best and lets the elite play us like puppets.

the rising awareness of what white nationalism actually is has started this shill spawned backlash against civic nationalism

>>135553920
None whatsoever
Civic nationalism is the cowardice of cuckservatives afraid to speak the truth

>>135559962
This.

Way to much misunderstanding, whether you agree or not, on what civic nationalism is.

ITT /ptg/ fags and cuckservatives attempt to defend their jewish ideology

>>135559962
Culture is the flower, biology is the root. Culture and ethnicity go hand in hand.

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>>135553920
Multiculturalism is the idea that

>Foreigner migrants and their descendants ("ethnics") must never be culturally integrated into their new country
>Descendants of foreign migrants should speak the language of their parents, not of their home country
>Ethnics should practice the culture of their ancestral homeland, not their home country
>Ethnics should live in communities of their ethno-religious brethren
>Ethnics should have business associations, schools, and religious institutions that serve only their ethnic group
>Ethnics should have courts/judges/laws just for their ethnic group, so that they are treated according to the customs of their ancestral homeland
>Ethnics should be full citizens with full voting rights

It's basically segregation with a friendly face.

Civic nationalism on the other hand is the idea that
>Every political nation ultimately becomes a cultural nation
>Every citizen should integrate into the culture of their nation
>Every citizen should be proud of and happy to live in their home nation
>Ethnicity doesn't mean shit

It's basically nationalism, without ethnic nonsense

>>135560636
Also ITT: faggots trying futilely to turn back the clock to the 1930s and throw away an real chance to push back against actual problems.

Go outside, autist.

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>>135553920
The difference is that multiculturalists suck off any BASED BLACK MAN while civic nationalists will only suck off BASED BLACK MAN with red hats.

>>135559861
Those aren't happas, they're a couple of Eastern Europeans who did a shit ton of plastic surgery to look like Barbie. Shocker, not all big eyed art comes from Japan.

>>135553920
No difference. Both support globalism

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>>135560830
Hi, Adolf.

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>>135560067
>>135558703
HOLY FUCK reddit

YOU

DON'T

HAVE

TO

SPACE

EVERY

SENTENCE

>>135560830
Bullshit. We know there are outliers within statistical analysis of races. To pretend like there isn't is just choosing to be inaccurate in your worldview for the sake of convenience

>>135560924
>It's basically nationalism, without ethnic nonsense
spoken like a true mud

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Civic Nationalism only works with Americanism

The degenerate parasites have to be allowed to fail and the good heroes need to be able to defend themselves at all times

FinalPilled American Civic Nationalist here, AMA

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>>135553920
Civic NYAAAAAASHONALIZM

>>135561406
>judging people by how they space their sentence instead of actually reading what they have to say
Honestly, everyone is preferable over you cunt

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>>135561533
As it should be. The American idea is based on individual autonomy and autonomy requires responsibility. Those who do not take responsibility fail. It doesn't matter what color they are.

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>>135561530
>mud

What did he mean by this.

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>>135561766
>It doesn't matter what color they are

>>135561851
Considering it's likely a collectivist, it's probably some faggy Harry Potter reference.

>>135561118
Wahh what about my black friends?
If society was changed it can be changed again
You are simply another kike who wants to mix the world into a brown mess

>>135560067
>shuts down migration and population replacement
lol no it doesn't not when the massive non-white population thats already here can out bred the native population.
>the rising awareness of what white nationalism actually is has started this shill spawned backlash against civic nationalism

No alt-lite faggot when 90% goddamn percent of the Republican party is white how on earth can you deny that race matters! That is why white nationalism exists because even a libertarian that simply wants to be left alone can see that its a bad idea to have a huge population of liberal voting non-whites.

>>135558077
Civic nationalism is fine in theory, but it can't function in a PC society. This is because there is no pressure to assimilate.

If the democratic party is totally wiped out, PC culture is repressed, and immigration is reeled in, then civic nationalism could work. That's the most realistic end game.
People who want to go full on gas the kikes and hang all blacks just aren't being realistic.

>>135554489
You need to realize that to get rid of stuff like race-mixing, you need to follow step by step.

Such thoughts are considered to be radical today, thus one needs to get on a track which starts with minor right winged thoughts, and increasingly gets to spread to other issues and views on one's worldsight, which will eventually lead to the main goal

>>135561942
>Has a rapefugee problem in his country
>bitches about conceptual ideologies online instead of doing anything about it

You should be happy to even have civic nationalism at this point, Sven. I wouldn't be talking if I were you.

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>>135553920
Anyone can flood into my country and replace me as long as they do so legally and are FUCKING BASED Trump supporters.

>>135557844
>>135558703
>>135559962

It sounds like "civic nationalism" is just another word for "patriotism".

>>135561711
Having to read reddit spacing is a violation of the NAP now thanks to me they might stop that annoying practice.

>>135562277
>t. 56%
You have a spic problem, Ja'quan.

>>135562380
You chimping out on something so pointless is an eyesore more than spacing a sentence will ever be.

>>135557648
As opposed to having all the niggers voting for globalism.
Between having a country filled with niggers, spics, and Jews all voting to steal your money (MC) and those same niggers and spics voting stealing less of your money (CN), I would pick the one latter. But neither a pure white country or expecting niggers to vote outside of their own self interests is realistic.

>>135562277
>has a demographic problem
>bitches about how murica is about muh freedom and equality and muh opporunity instead of doing something about it
It goes both ways, you know.

>>135562048
Yeah but your change is fucking retarded and has no logical basis. You're literally the next fundamentalist christians autistically shouting nonsense. If 20 years, you're going to be standing on street corners handing out pamphlets asking people accept Hitler into their hearts.

It's a shame too, because many of the points that are brought up here are legitimate. There IS a war on white people. There IS a lot of fuckery surrounding Israel. Mainstream leftism IS a fucking cancerous ideology at the moment. You just make extra steps that you don't have logical grounds to make and pretend it's all cogent because some of it is.

This is why you're ultimately going to fail and it will be your own fault.

>>135553920
Civic Nationalism can only work when there is a hard pressure to assimilate, the different races are high IQ enough to actually work, and they all have shared experiences.

Basically imagine starship troopers but with no niggers.

>>135562133
you're being outbred due to first and second generation immigrants from poor countries. immigration control can do something about that within a couple generations. larping as a nazi can't.

>>135562164
Assimilation is a civic nationalist lie
the races have intrinsic differences

>>135562359
It's literally Communism.

>"Gee, goys! I sure love this country! But don't y'all think we should accept anyone who wants to live here and try that brand of national socialism? Basically anyone international can live here and we'll adopt socialism? Sort of like Communism, but we'll wear MAGA hats because words speak louder than actions!"
>[Hand rubbing intensifies]

>>135561507
Your outliers will not produce outliers. Import as many Based Somalians as you want, see what happens.

>>135562359
America had always embraced civic nationalism as a core American value until pretty recently, like in my lifetime and I'm not even 30 recently.

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>>135562610
No, we have a cultural problem propagated by collectivists; namely postmodenrist neo-marxism. What I will NOT have happen is for that movement to be smashed apart and another equally retarded collectivist ideology to take it's place.

You wanna make europe white? Be my guest. Leave the U.S. out of your authoritarian shit.

>>135554327
It's an improvement because they are under one banner. They have the same beliefs. An ideology. In the first one, they have nothing.

You think a nignog trump supporter would support destructive marxist politics? Think they would riot at a BLM rally? Think they would continue the same destructive path? Think they would cry for the gimmedats for the single mothers which enable the destruction of the American family?

I think not. IQ notwithstanding you can change a lot if you change the frame of mind.

Of course you probably would if you think they are subhumans which at a moment's notice would tear your face off like a chimp. But see animals have patterns. They got reasons for what they do even if they're terrible ones. And I'd prefer a chimp on my side than to strive for some autistically driven utopian ideal that's driven by sexual insecurity and inevitably fail because a mongolian pottery forum told me it was the only way.

You whine about we need more whites, we MUST have more whites. At the same time acting like a bunch of purity spiraling jackasses that want to project Europe's problems and many failures onto the United States and dilute the idea of what it means to be white.

It's an improvement. Just because you don't get exactly what you want all the time doesn't entitle you to screech autistically at the system that's going to be the best you're going to get.

>>135562977
>the natural state of peoples and the way it has been for the vast majority of human history is a "retarded collectivist ideology"

What did r/thedonald mean by this?

>>135562706
What extra steps? Separating races is literally Hitler?
Other races WANT to leech off of white society and thus must be placed in their own societies forcefully if necessary
Trying to moderate that white societies are for whites is a surrender and failure condition

>>135562713
Assimilation is a cuckservative lie
Races have intrinsic differences

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>>135562502
Working on it you impatient nigger. The good ones will stay.

American Civic Nationalism is the next step in societal evolution

Multiculturalism(eventual racemixing) and white supremacy(eventual inbreeding) must be avoided as two sides to the same heebcoin.

AMA

>you can't throw out every non-white person in america without violence
this is fact, they're not gonna leave because the 0.05% of the population that are white nationalists asked them to

the elites want to lure you into a race war, that you will lose. and in response to your violence they will have popular support for laws and regulations that further restrict liberty.

basically through this race war they will shut down the right, and you are a puppet playing along to this. it's an obvious trap.

white nationalism is a trap to stop the threat of civic nationalism. white nationalism fucks up the best chance to help white people in decades. white nationalism is anti-white.

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>>135562977
It's nice to see someone with sense on /pol/ every once in a while.

>>135562780
Are you fucking retarded? For one, I'm a capitalist, not a socialist. Secondly, anyone who espouses socialism is playing into the hands of communism. The first thing communists do is try to establish socialism so they can later establish communism.

They never get to communism because the state fails before that point. If there'\s a jewish conspiracy, they're using NatSocs to push faggy socialism to undermine valuable systems that support autonomy. Instead of lookin at that very real problem, they're too busy bitching about "muh 56% demogrpahics", "Muh black IQs", "Muh degeneracy" and not actually doing ANYTHING about ANY of it.

This is why right wing socialists are just as big of rubes as berniefags; somehow believing their magical fairyland will happen if they can just relinquish enough control to the right people.

>>135562780
Communism as a global concept cannot justify placing the interests one's country over any other, though, as it ultimately seeks a unified global government. Civic nationalism/patriotism still has the capacity to admit that nations exist as feudal units, and that the wellbeing of one's country requires the exploitation of raw resource and/or human labour, ultimately seeking to saddle that burden on non-citizens.

>>135562610
Were working on our problems

When we elect Hillary, laugh as we burn plz

>>135563428
If you think whites would lose a race war you are absolutely delusional. The last thing the (((elites))) want is internal warfare. They want a boiling frog scenario.

>>135563134
>Implying the vast majority of human history wasn't a fucking shitty time to be alive compared to what we have now.

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>>135563428
>white nationalism is anti-white
Could this be the final blackpill?

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>>135562977
>>135563463
Weve had enough

Were coming back to correct your faggots records

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>>135563380
>Unironically being a civic nationalist
go back to /r/the_donald

>>135563650
You don't have that advanced medicine and computer technology because of Patriotic Mestizos.

>>135563641
99% of whites will not be willing to fight a race war. it will be the radical nazi edgy faggots vs everyone else. you will lose. as planned by them. and in the process the entire right will be demonized and civic nationalism, our only realistic hope, destroyed.

you
are
being
played

Communists all think that they'll fight in the revolution and then be made supreme leader. They never consider they'll be the ones digging ditches afterwards

Ethnic nationalists all think they'll shitpost on the internet and play videogames and watch anime during the revolution, as the chads who bully them their whole lives kill all the non whites, people are are their neighbors, who they've grown up with.

>>135562780
Exactly
Neocons take your country and make it into a commodity and then they start changing its traditions to market it to the lowest common denominator
Western countries aren't sovereign nations anymore but rather hotel chains

>>135553920
This is a D&C thread. Sage. Civic Nationalism is one step towards Ethno Nationalism. It's part of the normie's path.

>>135563141
This could ALL be solved by more freedoms. As I mentioned above; the ideal system is one in which those who take responsibility flourish and those who do not perish. Your entire worldview is predicated on the idea that white people necessarily take responsibility and non-white necessarily do not. This is a fallacy because it does not accurately portray the entirety of the situation. That's why a freer system that rewards merit, ignores ethnicity and lets people fail is the best solution.

>>135563818
>99% of whites will not be willing to fight a race war. it will be the radical nazi edgy faggots vs everyone else.
By definition that is not a race war. In a real race war, the pink haired SJWs will be fighting alongside neo nazi skinheads because their pet minorities will attack them on sight. In a race war your skin is your uniform.

You're also delusional if you think that white nationalists are trying to start a race war. They are largely advocating policies not that different from civic nationalist cuckoldry because they understand you have to start small and shift the overton window.

>>135553920

One they pretend to care about your country the other they don't even bother.

>>135563857
Wrong
Civic nationalism is a way for cuckservative whites to stick their heads in the sands for another couple of decades
Accept the redpill you faggot

>>135563782
You're right. We have it because of systems that reward merit instead of assuming skin color is an infallible indicator of worth.

If what you say is true, then non-whites will die out of the system anyway. If what you say is NOT true, well... maybe that's why you don't want to see it implemented.

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>>135563380
CIVIC NYAAAAAAAAAAAAASHONALIZM

No thanks. I don't need niggers asking me irl, "hey, I got a big black cock you can suck, boy"

kys

>>135563966
And then you let in all those non-whites, they realize that system doesn't work for them and they vote to change the system so it is less meritocratic. Why do you think most of the non-whites vote Democratic?

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>>135563641
Who do you think seizes power after a civil war?

Pro-tip: Not Lincoln.

>>135563992
every white nationalist i've spoken to either openly advocates racewar or claims to offer peaceful solutions, and when he explains those solutions he either sounds like a civic nationalist if they're good solutions, or a white nationalist if they're shitty ideas that can't actually be done without violence.

whtie nationalism is just throwing away any support from mainstream whites.

almost all the rational goals of white nationalism are best done through civic nationalism. no racism is required.

but the majority of white nationalist are larping faggots who think somehow magically all the non-whites will be peacefully removed and everything will be great, despite the fact that they're all alone and almost nobody will stand with them

>>135563659
White nationalism is for Europe

America is for the best of each race and needs to start deporting trash of all colors(mainly nigs jews cucks and beaners)

>>135564237
Merit? We're talking about a country with affirmative action and where if you are from a minority group known for being less successful than others, you can get into colleges with lower test scores over more deserving people.

You are living in a fantasy land.

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>>135564253
In an ideal system you can call them a nigger and tell them to fuck off. If they attack you, just shoot them.

That's the civic nationalist way!

>>135563966
Non-whites don't want more freedom they want more gibs and a powerful government on their side
>but my one libertarian black friend!
Statistically insignificant blacks have always sided with the party which promises and usually gives them what they want
Whether it's Republicans 40 acres and a mule or Democrats government cheese and Section 8
They are leeches and know they'd fail without white assistance

>>135563693
Nice non argument comrade

>>135564253
What is that nigger contributing? Sounds like hes on his way to getting shot/jailed/deported. Definitely not a based black because hes a fuckin asshole.

You look like a cuckold and hate bullies dont you?

>>135564407
Being aware that a race war, or at the very least racial confrontation, is coming is not necessarily the same as advocating it. There is already a cold race war going on in the United States, and it reached into the mainstream with the last election.

>>135564449
Yes, but those aren't civic nationalist principles. Those are collectivist principles and they need to go, not just be shifted to benefit white people. Again, you're pretending anything outside your brand of conservativism is lefty bullshit.

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>>135564457
This

How would that nigger even survive in a based black community? Black friend I have would tell that nigger to man up and just start swinging so he could draw his CCW and put down that trash. Who just goes around yelling retarded shit at people in public in an American Civic Nationalist society? After a few years, noone because consequence meets action there.

>>135564457
Meanwhile you're slowly being replaced by spooks and spics while Shlomo Coinblat is counting his money.

>>135564689
More utopian thinking. You may as well become a Communist, you are about as realistic as them.

You cannot import a bunch of people with lower average IQs, a preference for larger government and a natural desire to see their own race flourish and control (as well as greater in-group preference than whites west of the Hajnal Line) and then expect them to not vote to make things the way they want it to be. There's a reason most of the non-whites vote Democrat no matter how much the Republicans pander to them.

>>135564658
that's being forced on us though, the media pushes it, and blm is funded by soros. it's like a forced meme and it cannot continue without assistance. civic nationalism is the only possible way to stop it. because white nationalism is a trap that will never gain populatr support and exists only to stop civic nationalism and to help trigger the race war our dear elites are so desperately pushing for in their constant effort to divide and conquer.

>>135564633
>You look like a cuckold and hate bullies dont you?

Well, considering that blonde hair and light eyes are fetishized due to media brainwashing and porn, it's difficult to NOT look like a "cuckold", or a "twink", or what have you. I've already explained that in another thread.

American society will eventually become fully brown. That's why women are likely to seek darker males. We'll all become uncivilized spic-niggers eventually.

Fuck spics, fuck niggers, fuck brown-haired brown-eyed guido/Anglo whites, and fuck civic nationalism

>I hate SJWs and their identity politics!
>m-muh identity

>>135565012
You're delusional. Soros is not responsible for most Hispanics voting Democrat and wanting more and more Hispanics, legal and illegal, to flood in. Soros is not responsible for blacks feeling inadequate (they are) and voting for gibsmedats. Soros just takes that energy and tries to transfer it into voting energy so his side can win elections.

Racial division is not an "elite" conspiracy. It's a natural phenomenon and will always be present in a diverse nation.

>>135553920
You can have ethnic separatism in a Civic nationalist state.

>>135564298
>>135564559
For starters, the non-whites are already here. Secondly, we need to reinstill the national identity into people here and that may require a civil war. Lefty policies have made a fucking mess out of things and what you're describing is a part of that. I don't believe these people would exist in large enough numbers to actually have this happen without extensive collectivist subversion again (this means all socialists), which is hopefully going to be stamped out once and for all when the dust clears. I know you all put massive amounts of importance on 10 IQ points, but it's not as much as you think.

>>135553920
You dumb fuck
Civic nationalism is still nationalism. Noone would be let into the country as long as they are not needed or not integrated.

There is no menial worker brown skin in a civic nationalist society. There is no smelly Panjeet who speaks with a thick accent after 50 years of living there.

It is still all about nationalism. A nation has no relation to race. Hell, race does not properly exist, let alone ethnicities. There are of course generally dumb and ugly people groups, but that is another topic. We live in a world where people have a freedom unseen before. Hell, I sure as fuck am gonna be a Swiss, no force in hell could stop me

>>135563014
>you can change a lot if you change the frame of mind.
This is actually more important than IQ.
For you nerds it will be:
Wisdom>Intelligence.

>>135565260
>I know you all put massive amounts of importance on 10 IQ points
That's actually pretty fucking huge. It's the difference between Jewish lawyer and white bricklayer.

You do not believe that who would exist in large numbers? Non-whites? That's what you're fucking advocating when you say that anyone can come in so long as they say that freedom is based XD

>>135565384
Croatian is the same as Serbian?

>>135565384

this is rich coming from fucking croatia. civic nationalism ended so well with no ethnic strife for you guys in the 90's amirite?

>>135564939
>BUT WHAT ABOUT THE JEWS AND WHITE DISPLACEMENT?!

Irrelevant, imo. Also, considering most of /pol/ wouldn't consider an Irish person white anyway; what the fuck do I care about your message?

>>135564973
>Right-wing Collectivism: the post

Get that shit out of here. We're not talking about importing people. We're talking about reestablishing a national identity (hence the nationalism part of civic nationalism). You call what I'm saying utopian nonsense, but believe that if you just had all white people, all your problems would go away. Bullshit. Life's more complicated than that.

>>135565185
voting democrat or republican doesn't matter, voting doesn't matter. it's the same people in power either way, of course it's an elite conspiracy.

and yes, racial division is a natural phenomenon, and so are races. you can reduce racial division with civic nationalism. or you can be completely unrealistic and somehow non-violently get rid of every non-white in the country magically despite having almost zero support.

it's an easy choice

>>135565778
Mick's are white despite the fact they're fucking weird. Why would you willingly want to be ruled by the International Jew and to have your race replaced?

>>135565487
No, YOU are saying non-whites. I'm saying people who demand gibs (which is all socialists, btw). You're going to say there is no difference. Clearly there is or we wouldn't see outliers. 10 IQ points is less than a standard deviation.

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>>135565091
>Having this much pent up hatred for people that have done nothing but look different and correlate to the shitty humans
You need to fix that anon

Its a borderline mental disorder that will ruin you

Be more patient and understand that the media will change along with bad shitskins dying/getting removed from a free society.

Freedom requires responsibility and that must be enforced.

Watch some buddy cop movies like Die Hard 3 where even the bad guy nazi says "Im a terrorist robbing a bank, not a fucking school bombing monster you retards"

This is what American civic nationalism should be like. Based black dude and white man with a gun shit talking each other while saving America from (((those who steal all the gold from America while false flagging terrorist attacks)))

>>135565778
What national identity? What sort of identity, culture, history can an American born of many generations of Americans descended from colonists, share with some Arab or African or Mexican? You are peddling a fantasy.
>You call what I'm saying utopian nonsense, but believe that if you just had all white people, all your problems would go away.
No, you've pulled that out of your ass.

I can see what you are. You're one of those autistic libertarians who thinks that any sort of group identity makes you a big bad collectivist, and that anything that hinders your freedom to import people who vote against your own ideology is basically the same as communism, just on the other side. You will never be intelligent enough to realize that your grand libertarian principles only work in a country full of whites, because these are white principles that we are naturally drawn to.

Maybe this video will educate you, it is entertaining and will appeal to your IQ range:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcUZrDX5P7A

>>135564129
Wrong acn is not multikulti or white supremacy

>>135566065
>Mick's are white
Many of your compatriots would disagree. Have fun ironing out that purity test.

Because you're assuming anything short of 1488 is "being ruled by the jews". Nonsense. The amount of seeing the present as the indisputable reality of all things for all of history is astounding here. What is now will not always be, for good or for ill. I would prefer to see good things come about and that means speaking out against collectivist nonsense, regardless of where it comes from.

>>135562164
aboslutely retarded bullshit. people will always side with, breed with and act for the interests of people that look like them. also it posists that all human groups are equal, but they aren't. Blacks in our society will ALWAYS be an underclass due to having drastically lower IQ.

>>135566130
The vast majority of non-whites demand gibs. You cannot only take in the ones that don't vote against your ideology, because people produce these things called children and children aren't necessarily going to be the same as their parents, in fact they are more likely to regress to the mean.

>>135566306
No, I'm one of those libertarians who knows that anytime you put group rights over individual rights and determine policy base don groups instead of individuals, you are a collectivist and you're not seeing the world with an accurate lens. It's hamfisted, it's stupid and it's authoritarian.

>>135566607
Then they will die out

Go back to africa if ye want to be pandered to

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>>135566270
>Die Hard 3

You seriously underestimate the influence that porn and the internet has had on our culture since that movie was released.

Go back to Mexico

>>135566748
Our nation is not a democracy.

>>135566862
You basically just repeated what I said but through your own lens of delusion. The world is not a collection of fragmented individuals. We have a thing called society, and certain people belong in certain societies and not others. An Arab is never going to be American, or Canadian, regardless of what his papers say, just like I'll never be Japanese even if the Japanese one day lost their minds the way most cucked whites like you have and welcomed me there.

>>135566994
Those things only affect useful idiots

Go out in the world and talk shit to anyone who actually embraces cuckoldry etc

Why are you not more funny and sociable anon?

>>135566862
This is hilarious if you aren't baiting
Why don't you fight the local NAACP if you hate group interests so much?
Why do you shitposting against white interests?

>>135567032
It's a country where every citizen, and many who aren't citizens, can vote. What you call it is irrelevant. There's a reason most hispanics vote Democrat, and there's a reason the Republicans have pandered hard to hispanics, betraying their core white base, to no real gain. They do this because hispanics largely vote for the interests of their ethnic bloc, and whoever promises and delivers on open borders and affirmative action wins.

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>>135566416
>1488
I don't even like Hitler that much

>>135566748
The majority of non-whites demand gibs because they've been allowed to. This is because of subversion of American culture, not necessarily because of IQ points or ethnicity. There's a reason black crime spiked in the 1960s and from that you see the nigger culture we have today. It;'s no coincedence that postmodernism infiltrated American education institutions at the same time. You may not believe this, but non-whites in america weren't always such a problem.

You also keep talking about "taking in". I'm not talking about immigration. I'm talking about dealing with the people already here. In a proper system, people get with the fucking program, or they die out, which solves the non-white problem anyway (if you're right).

Civic Nationalists are the evil.

The problem is the assumption that non-Whites will reciprocate your beliefs. They won't.

kerdasi amaq

>>135561369
>kettle with a bell end
>bellend
Never change, nigel

>>135567245
Were changing

Be patient you fucking leaf

>>135567298
White beliefs are also literally cuckoldry

Bad shitskins get the glock and illegals get the boot

>>135567292
>The majority of non-whites demand gibs because they've been allowed to.
Allowed to? What the hell does that mean? When I say demand gibs I mean they vote Democrat, and the Democrats give them gibs to stay in power. That's how democratic governance works, and it's why it is a bad idea to have many different ethnic groups in your country. A minority group with lower IQs, lacking the character traits needed for civilization, they aren't going to succeed and they're going to need gibs.
>This is because of subversion of American culture, not necessarily because of IQ points or ethnicity.
You talk of the subversion of American culture, but if you were saying all these wonderful things about blacks and other minority groups a few decades ago, they'd be saying you were the subversive.
>There's a reason black crime spiked in the 1960s and from that you see the nigger culture we have today.
This is a result of them being granted greater political power, meaning the gloves stay on. Blacks were more well behaved in the past because there were greater consequences for not behaving themselves. Blacks did not degenerate. They were animals in Africa and they are animals in America. A few outliers are irrelevant.
>You also keep talking about "taking in". I'm not talking about immigration. I'm talking about dealing with the people already here.
The people who are already here want more to come. That's why the majority of non-whites voted for the openly globalist Clinton while Trump won because he had the majority of the white vote, including the white working class vote. Trump is a civic nationalist candidate who won because of white nationalist sentiments. If your "based black men" were in charge you'd have Clinton.

You cannot set up a "proper system" where people "get with the program" when you have tons of minority groups who don't benefit from that program and will vote against it.

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>>135567729
I look back at happy pics of when I was a blonde haired blue eyed kid. He never he that his entire existence would be built to make him suffer.

>>135567045
The individual is the largest and smallest conscious unit of society. It is indivisible and therefor policy should be created in terms of individuals, not groups. You can determine a group by common characteristics of the individuals within that group, but you cannot then claim the average of the group applies to all individuals within it.

In short, you're wrong and you've drank the koolaid like so much of the left has. You're an illogical reactionary movement; not much more.

>>135567172
Because the NAACP, along with most other organizations who have seen a lot of undue power are on the way out.

You may not believe this, but I used to argue with progressives just like I'm arguging with you now. I used to tell them time and time again to make sure they weren't overstepping; to make sure they were thinking things through clearly. |I warned them that someday they would create all kinds of damage in society in the name of doing right and they didn't listen. I watched the fundamentalist Christians do the same thing in the 90's.

Ideally, I want you all to wisen up and shore up your ideology with accuracy and truth where it's wrong. Don't pretend like you have it all figured out. That's what they all do and it causes nothing but problems. If I can't do that, then I want to decimate your movement so that it can't cause massive undue damage like the progressives have.

>>135567292
America is supposed to be the land where you dont get gibs unless you earn them

Sterilization/timed slavery terms for welfare benefits

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>>135567976
Be patient

Let yourself look down the barrel of a loaded gun and dont pull the trigger

You will bounce back stronger

Just dont fucking break you fucking white male and dont become a pale nigger filled with hate

Rise above it all and become a higher consciousness

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>>135553920
>>135561942

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>>135568084
I'm ok with that. If people are on welfare, make them work at something they can do and only give them enough to live. The goal should be to get them off welfare and have the satisfaction of standing on their own feet. That's where the real magic happens.

Speaking of work, I have to get back to work. It was an interesting talk.

>>135568074
>You can determine a group by common characteristics of the individuals within that group, but you cannot then claim the average of the group applies to all individuals within it.
It doesn't matter if it applies to all individuals within it. It applies to most of them, that is more than enough reason to exclude a group you have no obligation towards.

>>135568389
>Multiculturalism
Your lack of arguments and shill flag say a lot

>>135568431
Read this anons post

All benefits must have costs

There can be no gibs without earning them

God requires this in reality for now

>>135568084
America is a country where everyone can vote, even the fucking illegal immigrants, which means that America is supposed to be whatever the public wants it to be. So you had better hope that that public is mostly white, or it's nothing but gibs as far as the eye can see.

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>>135564306
>Fuuuuuuuuu
It's real! Has he flipped on that since?

https://twitter.com/GovPenceIN/status/674249808610066433

>>135568074
>on their way out
Racial interest groups (only for shitskins though) are resurgent
You are laughable if you think the reason for their existence isn't as permanent as racial difference is
They overstep on purpose because people like you accept their fait acommpli and create fantasy ideologies to try and break down their herd strategy
They know their strength lies as a herd and follow their herd wherever it goes
Why would they become an individual and compete against white men in fair competition when they'd lose?
As shown by all those firemen and police tests being thought racist because Mexicans and niggers can't pass them

>>135568586
Thats because crime was legalized under Obama

Be patient you fucking leaf

Why not let people on welfare do the work that Mexicans do in the fields for the same money?

The unions wouldn't like it.

>>135553920
Civic nationalism is multiculturalism without the multi lmao, it's just multiracialism, which is pointless if you believe we're all equal and terrible if you believe we aren't

>>135568635
Who the fuck do you think Mike Pence is?

Hes LBJ: Right Wing Edition

Biden(admited zionist) was too, Israel even debated assassinating Obama when he started helping the muslims too quickly

>>135568909
How about just drug test them and deny them rights like voting?

If you want to be a slave, fucking alright then, buy your gibs with your rights

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>>135568935
>Terrible if you believe we arent
Except for all the millions of shit tier white numales, libs, cuckolds, europeans etc

https://youtu.be/crWFMHh-LkY

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>>135568486
What? You live in a fantasy, anon. Talking about spiritual garbage and idealistic interpretations of black people. That's the thing, you take the outlier, the .001% of niggers that are based and think they are all capable of that. If you suddenly flooded America with down syndrome folks and just let them assimilate, it still wouldn't work out. And be realistic, our societies are pathologically altruistic (especially since women's suffrage) so no one will let a bunch of down syndrome people starve or migrate elsewhere. Same with nogs.

Watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYS9fLucyt8

>This is what American civic nationalism should be like. Based black dude and white man with a gun shit talking each other while saving America from (((those who steal all the gold from America while false flagging terrorist attacks)))

civic nationalism is an actual threat to the elites

white nationalism will never even have 1% of support from the general population and is essentially a non-threat. it can even be used by the elites to trigger violence that they can then use as justification for clamping down on the right.

so the shills freak out when we embrace civic nationalism, and only relax when shit gets racist.

we're supposed to fight each other, not the people in power

>>135569477
No it isn't Alex Jones
Elites routinely spout out civic nationalist cuck talk
They want whites to think just because they are being outnumbered things will turn out ok
Elites are afraid of ethnic nationalism of all races

>>135559220
Can't fix genetics.

>>135569477
Civic nationalism is not a threat because it's basically just plugging your ears, closing your eyes and ignoring that different ethnic and religious groups have different interests. A civic nationalist society will inevitably become multi culturally pozzed because it's full of different groups with different interests.

-=- Daily Reminder -=-
(((Ben Shapiro))) is a worthless oven dodging kike who only cares about Israel.

"And by the way, I don't give a good damn about the so-called "browning of America." Color doesn't matter. Ideology does."

https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/875730927002963968

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>>135569477
True. This worries me because clearly Soros is funding BLM and all that shit for divide and conquer reasons. Use the chaos to inject more parasites.

But I'd argue that the masses wouldn't support all these pointless wars if they were redpilled on race. If you just think it's 100% cultural, then you are more likely to support NGOs going to feed unsustainable African populations, and "liberating" pedophile tribal sand niggers. Furthermore, at current rates of immigration, you won't be able to ever vote for small government again. There's a reason Democrats support open borders. They're fucking us on both fronts. That's why the healthy median is more intelligent, calm, race realists like Jared Taylor who just argue for the right to self segregate and talk about science honestly.

>>135569827
that's not what civic nationalism is about at all. a large part of civic nationalism is restricting immigration from places that have different interests.

white nationalism is a fantasy where you kick out all the non-whites, never gonna happen, it's a non-starter

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>>135568486
>the video isn't an argument
Yes, it is. That video show what niggers are capable of doing. Not only capable, but they do that whenever they can.

>>135570122
Libertarianism is a fantasy. Trying to take away gibs is a non-starter :^)

This whole thread is proof that christcucks are anti-white and should never be tolerated.

>>135567729
>Bad shitskins get the glock and illegals get the boot
So that is civic nationalism? Kick out all illegal spics, legal spics on welfare, and kill ghetto niggers.

>>135570475
reform of the welfare system is less of a pipe dream then kicking out all non-whites, by far

reform of the welfar system might actually be possible. kicking out all non-whites is absolute fantasy and will never happen, period.

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>>135553920
Nationalism does not imply open borders. Stop being an idiot

>>135553920
I suppose that all niggers should be killed, eh?

>>135570558
kys fedora, I am fully Christian but also think that non-whites should be asked to leave, and if they don't comply, gunned down in the streets.

>>135553920
>What's the difference?

Ostensibly the virtues and values of the nation is transferred in one case and not the other.

>>135570705
>>135570705

But the non-whites can and definitly will vote for open borders.

>>135557844
Civic nationalism is the end destination for people too weak and cowardly to pursue ethnonationalism. This is in spite of the fact they, in their heart of hearts, know that being among ONLY their own people is the true path to peace.

>>135570122
It doesn't matter what your ideology is "about". What matters is reality. All peoples have interests. You cannot prevent an immigrant from siding with his own interests (gibs, less competition) or his group interests (increasing their numbers in the country).

>>135570698
>reform of the welfare system is less of a pipe dream then kicking out all non-whites, by far
Not really..dealing with the spic issue would make America 80% white again at the very least. It's no

white nationalism isn't even possible.
the non-whites are not going to be kicked out
especially when 99.5% of whites would try and stop you. there's just no support and there never will be.

the only thing that might happen, is some edgy nazis attack some browns and then the media and establishment uses that as justification to demonize the right. that's all

white nationalism is a trap, if you fall for it then you are a natural puppet

BASED BLACK MAN!!!!1 Should be declared the new warcry for lolbitarians and christcucks.

>>135570698
Cutting off bennies would result in a mass-exodus. There's a reason Slav countries get no migrants.

>>135571374
sounds like civic nationalism to me

>>135569449
Tldr

Most blacks are shitty people

I never said otherwise and I said welfare leeches should have to sign up for voluntary sterilization

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>>135570122
Yes, agreed that WN isn't realistic publicly at this moment. But a lot more than you think are lurking in the shadows waiting for the signal. So civic nationalism is the first step towards WN. And don't underestimate social change, could you really imagine massive amounts of the population supporting child abuse (a.k.a. transgender hormone blocker shit for under 18 and sharing it with HuffPo). And besides, Europe is just waiting for a boiling point.

>>135571184
>what matters is reality
the reality that you will never have the support to kick out a third of the country

civic nationalism at least does something to assert dominance of national best interests

white nationalism is where you get used up as a puppet and then the entire right gets demonized. it's a trap

what matters is reality not a fantasy world where magically all non-whites go... somewhere, away, somehow. despite nobody wanting that.

>>135571474
Well, that's because you're Canadian. Good luck getting civvie nasties to agree to end welfare.

>>135564237
>We have it because of systems that reward merit instead of assuming skin color is an infallible indicator of worth.
You know you got most of these inventions in a time where "skin color" (race isn't skin deep you fucking faggot) was an indicator of worth

>>135571774
I don't care about the entire right
If the right had asserted and kept white racial interests none of this would have happened
So it will make me happy to see libertarians and cuckservatives live in a socialist nigger caliphate if they refuse to serve white racial interests
Two can play a zero sum game

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>>135571532
>Voluntary sterilization.
Now ur talkin! Sounds good. And many of these concepts sound far fetched but it's important that we talk about them now and meme theme around so that people can build these societies from the ashes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDS13r7kY_k

>>135571774
You seem to suffer from the delusion that actual nationalists are advocating we start a race war tomorrow. In reality we want to push what you would call civic nationalist policies while trying to get whites to realize they have ethnic interests just like all the other ethnic groups. If you can shift the overton window and turn most whites into cucked civic nationalists like yourself, then it's easy to get them to become actual nationalists with time. We view people like you as necessary useful idiots, stepping stones to actual nationalism. Not as enemies.

>>135571799
civic nationalism is conservative and willing to reform the welfare state

white nationalism is fantasy where edgy larpers imagine a country where all brown people disappear magically

>>135572105
It doesn't matter how hard you try to reform the welfare state when you have minorities that love it and who immigrate and/or reproduce at higher rates than whites. They will use their voting power to ensure that the gibs remain theirs.

>>135572026
>i don't even care that i'm being used as a pawn to destroy my own interests because fuck all brown people
ok, well, you will fail, and the right and many of our best interests will get fucked over. as planned. because you are walking into an obvious trap, you fucking puppet

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>>135572309
this

>>135572105
>expulsions have never happened once in history never ever
Embarrassing.

At any rate, civic nationalism is negotiated surrender. This meme only got started because of the American elections, and guess what? Racial breakdown by votes happened yet again. Why did Trump win? Because whites voted for him. Will civic nationalism even be remotely possible without whites in 20 years? Not a chance.

You're like those 80s Reaganites who thought amnesty would create a whole generation of Republican voters. Sad!

>>135572092
finally, a realistic white nationalist. maybe talk your friends into not shitting on civic nationalism, their only hope, would be a good start.

it's still a racewar fantasy to kick out all non-white people though, it's not gonna happen. so just stick to saving the white race in a way that doesn't end in racewar and maybe you'll get more support over time

>>135572314
Good
Either become a white nationalist or fuck all your little pet projects
Because only a white nation will give you even half what you hope to accomplish
No more voting for promises of welfare, immigration and tax reform which never help whites you go down even faster into Africa tier

>>135572679
The vast majority of white nationalists are realistic. The skinhead is a just a sterotype pushed by Jews. Things come in stages. You push civic nationalism publicly while making sure to spank civic nationalists online so people realize that civic nationalism isn't at the end of the spectrum and is just a stepping stone.

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>>135572895
Dis nigga gets it!!!!!!!!

>>135572309
>voting power
lol
it doesn't matter, the government can just do whatever it wants, it doesn't need our permission and only asks our permission to keep us docile

and the reason these communities are reproducing more is poverty. first and second gen immigrants still reproduce like they did in their home countries, immigration control can slow that right down. and over time increasingly wealthy brown communities with fewer newcomers from their home countries, will experience a decline in population growth.

civic nationalism can do something about this. white nationalism can't because it's just a fantasy

>>135573134
No, the reason they reproduce more is tied to two reasons:

1: They are low IQ mongrels who think with their dick
2: They generally aren't feminists. Feminism is the birth killer.

>>135573282
those are also reasons, the reasons i listed are also reasons. we are both right

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>>135557844
> know the same national myths, have the same aspirations for their nation, are all willing to undertake national service
Are you by any chance retarded black man?

Being a civic nationalist in favor of assimilation and shutting down the border is called being solution-oriented and realistic.

Being a white nationalist is called utopianism, at least for the US at this point.

And yes, I prefer living among other white people, but I would take a based black man with a career who takes care of his family as a neighbor over methhead white trash any day. Even if we could create this utopia, I wouldn't be in favor of sending all the black back. I've run into too many impressive ones that buck the trend for their pathetic race that ought to stay.

But again, all of that is fantasy.

>>135573601
inb4 statistics

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>>135559739
Marxists, Muslims, Jews, basically anyone incapable of loyalty to the nation. You have plenty of bugs, the only problem is the bugs are in charge right now, and are in dire need of extermination.

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>>135559549
> he saw only militaristic side of this form

>>135557163
nice false dichotomy, niggers have fewer neurons and synapses, just because some know more than the fucking left, doesn't mean they should be interbred with

>>135570286
In a civic nationalist society that nigger would be hanging from a tree.

I don't know why ethnonationalists believe civic nationalists wouldn't punish criminals. Ghettos would be raided, criminals would be rounded up and killed, easy peasy.

>>135574330
Ghettos are the norm in civic nationalist society. It is the only way to protect yourself from the tyranny of the state slavers.

>>135554176
Contentcucks are Civic nationalist-tier faggots

>>135570955
>Whites are perfect
>Other races have no valuable qualities

>>135575161
> not fucking back to your ancestral homeland and using those qualities to make it shine
cuck

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>>135563014
what did he mean by this

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>>135565160

>>135575161

>white countries are safe, prosperous and the best places in the world
>black and brown countries are violent, impoverished hellholes
>liberal faggots go through some amazing mental gymnastics to come up with the conclusion that shitskins are equal to whites and deserve to live in white countries

>>135575161
T.strawman

>>135571184
Yes you can

If you want gibs, you dont get to vote. Ben Franklin said the same thing.

Well (((multiculturalism))) claims all cultures are equal and can cohabitate. It does not make any provisor for this. (((Civic nationalism))) has the provisor "immigrants have to follow the law." So yes there is technically a small difference in that (((multiculturalists))) will tolerate absolutely anything and (((civic nationalists))) will tolerate anything LEGAL, however both have the end result of your culture and people being replaced and your nation being made unrecognisable.

Multiculti = eating shit
Civ nat = eating shit with a spoon

>>135575338
>>135576108
Shitskins are not equal. Youre just a fucking retard if you think theyre all niggers and there arent some that are superior in every way to the worst of the white population
Im talking 90% white America eventually through merit, not race, not some brown mongrelized shit nation

Deport the shitty ones, have strict immigration requirements for the based ones

Also openly spy on newcomers hardcore for like 3 years or some shit like Japan does

>>135576281
T. Realistic and optimal solution is ACN

Just deport anyone who tries to spread multikulti into law because IT LITERALLY DESTROYS NATIONS

>>135578001
ACN has a requirement

MAGA first in the legal realm. More CCWs and more legal discrimination.

>>135578679
>Implying discrimination is illegal under ACN

>>135563014

If we united under one banner it would be the banner of politically correct, dysgenic, anti-racist socialism, with whitey paying for it.

Americans don't have anything in common, so they can't unite. They don't share a race, religion, ethnic origin, philosophy, set of moral values etc. They don't have the same economic or political interests.

It makes sense for a nation to unite, because Western European nations are extended families, were everyone is distantly related (but not inbred enough to form clans).

This means that people have similarities and a basis they can use to establish trust and build up a commons.

Americans are not a nation, they can't trust each other and they can't build up a commons.

Think about the pool in 99% maybury, vs the pool in a heavily diverse part of America.

Exactly.

It doesn't make sense for a disparate group of people with nothing in common to unite under a nationalist regime, it makes sense for them to go "every man for himself" or "every interest group for itself".

In that situation those who try to unite are simply suckers who get taken advantage of. Like whites got taken advantage of in the United States, when they lost their white country.

Multiculturalism is actually better than civic nationalism, because it paves the way for the whites to form their own faction and try to escape.

Thank god Trump will not unite Americans but only polarize them further.

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>>135579508
Americans have something no other country has: THE UNALTERABLE BILL OF RIGHTS THAT IGNORES THE POPULAR VOTE AND TELLS DEMOCRACY TO EAT A FUCKING DICK OR STRAP UP AND KILL EVERY LAST RED WHITE AND BLUE WAIVER BY FORCE

AMERICA YOU FUCKING FUCK AMERICA!!

>>135579819
This pic is how you get welcomed under ACN to America btw

Only after years of proving yourself do you get to walk to the store without fearing for your life

>>135579819

I hope you're joking, because judges can alter the bill of rights as they please

they already added gay marriage to the bill of rights, along with abortion, etc. and changed the meaning of the 10th amendment entirely to massively empower FEDGOV

When dems get back in power due to demographics judges will fuck the 1st and 2nd amendments in the ass without lube

We need to be ready by then

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EVEN CALIFORNIA IS TURNING AGAINST DEMOCRACY AS IT SHOULD

AMERICA IS NOT, I REPEAT, NOT A DEMOCRACY

IF THIS JUDGE HOLDS HIS GROUND

THE POPULAR VOTE WILL BE DEAD IN AMERICA

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>>135580147
They can alter the CONSTITUTION

The Bill Of Rights is only allowed to be shaved by states rights

See
>>135580193

Its a long difficult process, be patient and get to work

White nationalism is a shortcut that will lead to failure. WHITE NATIONS AND MILITARY MEMBERS WILL TURN AGAINST NAZIS AND ENJOY KILLING THEM

>>135580383
And by nazis i mean leftist "nazis", not national socialists

>>135559220
I'll take Nature for 1000 Alex

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>>135580383

No, the supreme court can simply rule that "Hate Speech is not free speech"

And

"The right to keep and bear arms is not an individual right"

Before Gorsuch there were ZERO WASPS on the supreme court, just catholics and jews

The Dems can pack it with Wise Latinas who want nothing more than to take your rights

The constitution is good for what it is, but demographics are destiny and a free society is a product of a population that desires and deserves freedom.

It won't save you from the rising tide of color

>>135553920

why doesn't he just go to the deep end, they can't follow him..

>>135580728
The supreme court will be defended better under ACN

Democracy is an attack on American sovreignty and should be treated like communism.

DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT STYLE OF GOVERNMENT AMERICA IS? OBAMA IS NOT SUPPOSED TO WIN WHEN RUNNING ON MUH ANTIAMERICAN DEMOCRACY(all democracy is antiamerican) AND APPOINT HIS FRIENDS

>>135580728
ACN requires a whole long process of deportations and corruption cleanings

It will take years but it will work

>>135566416
>he fell for le irish aren't white meme

>>135580728
The problem is not ACN, transparent controlled capitalism or white people

The problem is rampant corruption that has spread across all levels of US government

>>135581838

What the fuck is ANC?

And who are you deporting?

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>>135553920
the diferrence its the whites-niggi

>>135573601

Nigga, civic nationalism would be one thing in 1950 when the country was 90% white

Whites are already a minority in the younger age cohorts and the immigrants are not assimilating to your culture, they're assimilating to the left's anti-culture

>>135582285
American civic nationalism

Most shitskins get deported

>>135567963
>rump is a civic nationalist candidate who won because of white nationalist sentiments
Good fucking point, leaf. You've been right on for the entirety of this thread.

I'd just like to add one point. The civic nationalists don't understand how different foreigners are. It is a feature of modern Western culture to attribute one's own motivations and sentiments to all other persons. These civic nationalists haven't yet realized that an African migrant isn't thinking of abstractions like "the founding fathers' or "the strict interpretation of the constitution." An African migrant is thinking of taking whatever he can get his hands on, literally.

>>135583396

If you're already deporting most shitskins, why not acknowledge that this country belongs to the White American nation?

>>135579508
Tell you what I think mr Rebbit. I think that you're jealous of them darkies getting gibs me dats, and you want to be the one getting them yourself. That's why you're advocating for a system that gives gibes me dat to you.

A system where "hard working whites" pay for your lazy ass to marinate all day.

>>135582596
Getting back to that 90% ACN 1950s is the ideal with 10% based asians/darkies that wish to assimilate more than they wish to live. Id be down to force public slavery for a year to earn citizenship even

The bill of rights should not apply to children of non-citizens either WTF IS THAT SHIT

It all just takes patience and hard work

>>135584128
Only by merit, not by skin color

By this logic (((white))) anti americans will also be deported for treason. They have a homeland afterall

>>135575461
Hispanics are loyal to themselves at best and a hostile foreign power at worst. They shouldn't stay under ANY form of nationalism.

>>135584128
Stop being such a beta

On a level playing field, whites will prosper. The problem is the jew/nigger/spic pandering the democrats do. The most racist people are becoming nigger hating blacks, chink hating asians and vatobeaner hating mexicans

>>135584581
If the laws are enforced, over 10 million will be deported and way more than that will be forced to work for all their kids

No gibs for single moms unless they get sterilized voluntarily

>>135584463

No, it's not ours by merit, it's ours because it was created for us and our posterity

We don't lose it, just because the Jews had more "merit" for a couple generations and clowned on us

It's our nation, we don't compete over the whole world for it, every generation, until some generation fucks up and loses it

>>135584677
>On a level playing field, whites will prosper. The problem is the jew/nigger/spic pandering the democrats do. The most racist people are becoming nigger hating blacks, chink hating asians and vatobeaner hating mexicans

There's no level playing field. Jews, leftist elites and wealthy foreigners control the financial systems and pseudo-economies on the coasts.

They have consolidated much of the wealth in their hands, not the white middle class.

We need a movement that fights for us, on the basis that we are us.

Not a movement that fights for whoever is best at gaming a system or cheating on a test.

>>135584822
Jews dont have more merit

They jew the laws and enslave by way of the moneysupply

They literally going around merit and cheat

The few good ones are arguably better than most whites though. Like ones that actually are willing to die for American freedom on the front lines

>>135585173
There is CURRENTLY not a level playing field

Patience child

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>>135584291

Yes, getting back to 90% white would be great. It will not happen with constitutional liberalism, we are past that point.

>>135585251
>Jews dont have more merit
>They jew the laws and enslave by way of the moneysupply
>They literally going around merit and cheat

If you set up a system to demonstrate merit, as the guy proposed, then people like Jews will cheat and game that system, just as they cheated and gamed the system to get to the top of our society in the past

It's not about getting the high score on some imaginary test of merit

Asians are literally doing this to our SAT tests right now

Nationalism is not about scoring high on the old merit test, it's about whether or not you're one of us

>>135553920

Civic nationalism is, by definition, multiculturalism. There is this weird LARP fantasy among redittors where there's going to be a rainbow nation of africans/mestizos/asians/mulattos/halas/amerindians/ashenazim with a double-digit IQ that for some reason is going to have high levels of civic trust, a functional society, and oh yeah, everyone is going to be voting right-wing nationalist for some reason.

Nothing like this has ever existed in the entire recorded history of mankind. It's is a fantastical, utopian delusion of dangerous magnitudes that is completely unhinged from reality, born of cowardice.

A civic nationalist would have no problem with Switzerland being 80% Arab, with an Arab PM and majority Arabic parliament, as long as they subscribed to Swiss values. If you would have a problem with that, then you aren't a civic nationalist.

Are civnats pro or anti mass immigration?

>>135585562
>CA about to remove the popular vote from the equation
>Questioning democracy about to come back on the table
Constitutional republics have been known to enforce the laws pretty hard

They used to put bounties on indians to clear out the west

Imagine bounties for reporting illegal immigrants? CHA CHING

>>135585251

What Jews want to die for is irrelevant to us, and the US has never fought a war to "defend its freedom" since 1789. A nation is not abstract principles or pieces of paper, a nation is a people. Ashenazim jews are not our people, and do not belong in our home. They belong in America exactly as much as Somalians and Sudanese do.

>>135585911
The test is supposed to be your values/contribution to the nation

If you vote for open borders(the destruction of America), how are you not a traitor???

>>135586136
Wrong

Real ACN involves dead and deported shitskins/kikes by the millions

>>135586397
100% anti with machine guns on the northern wall and tunnel scanners on the souhern wall

Also bounties for turning in illegals and CCW permits in every county in America

>>135586525
Civil war was about freedom

Banks were the real enemy and lincoln died for setting them back decades

>>135586467

A solution that attempts to focus on illegal immigrants is not a solution. Illegal immigration is irrelevant compared to the far greater problem
of legal immigration. The US is 56% white, and that's from LEGAL immigration.

Coolidge forecfully deported mestizos who were 100% legal American citizens while prioritizing immigration from Northern Europe, because this is a country made by whites, of whites, for whites. That is what we need to get back to, and the only way to shift the overton window to the point where society will accept that again is to stand outside of the overton window and pull it in your direction.

>>135586397

It depends

They oppose immigration of Muslim jihadis and illegal aliens

but some support immigration of peaceful non-whites

>>135586719

That isn't civic nationalism. A civic nation has no ethnic basis. If you're specifically going to exclude or promote certain ethnicities, it is by definition ethnonationalism.

>>135586621

Of course traitors to the nation would be punished by a nationalist regime

The traitor is worse than the outsider

>>135586954

The confederacy did not directly threaten the freedom of the US, so saying the US prevented their secession in order to "defend its freedom" is disingenuous.

>>135587093
Legal immigration at this point is unamerican and the requirements need to be increased as the gibs are also decreased

>>135566416

Irish are celtic and nordic, genetically indistinguishable from the rest of the British Isles to the point where most DNA tests just have one single category for "Irish and English".

You're following a leftist line of "race is a social construct". What someone feels or is considered by others has absolutely zero impact on the tangible reality of their genetic heritage. "White" is a umbrella term referring to a very real and physical genetic in-group which can be seen in clear terms on paper.

>>135587125
>some support for peaceful useless trash
Nope, sorry

Give ACN a reason why a migrant should be allowed in or else prepare for war invaders!

>>135587228
They will be killed anf deported based on the actions of their groups

Voting for open borders? Treason

>>135588080

civic nationalism is a vague ideology

many civic nationalists are DESPERATE for BASED SIKHs to come here, so the can adopt British style NOT RACIST signalling

Ask CIVIC NATIONALIST LEADERS Gavin McInnes and Donald Trump about legal immigration

>>135587330
Thats how ACN filters out the shit

Traitors to simple things

Politicians getting the death penalty for selling out constituents should be made law too

>>135588412

Ok, well it seems like you are just making up your own ideology now, and claiming that

"No true civic nationalist cucks for based legal immigrants"

But you have a problem that a lot of people are calling themselves civic nationalists... and cucking for based legal immigrants

>>135587411
South was controlled op to get the north into massive debt and all the jewish slave holders became northern bankers after the civil war

Lincoln outjewed the jew by printing greenbacks and saying DEAL WITH IT

They paid him back with a bullet and succeeded with WW1 a few decades later

>>135566416

>Collecticist nonsense

All nations are a collection of people. Nothing significant in history has ever been dine without cooperation and effort; fractured, isolates individualism is an illusion of liberalism. The only places on earth we've been conditioned to believe it's weird to be ethnically homegenous is in white countries. Japan is nearly 100% ethnically homegenous. As is China, Korea, Thailand, pretty much all of Africa. It is the norm for the entire world, as it was for our homelands before mass immigration began in the 1960s, barely the blink of an eye ago in historical terms.

The US was 90%+ white from the day it was founded up until 1965. Under the founding laws of this county, citizenship was 100% only limited to whites. To decide not to fight back against the left, to accept their perverse and broken vision of society, just because they happen to have been on power for 50 years is the grand heights of cuckoldry. Spain was muslim for 700 years before the Europeans pushed back and retook their land, you coward.

>>135588315
Subverting ACN is their goal and theyre just cucks in disguise

Trump is trump tho so whatever

>>135588600
Im explaining the real ACN, not the multikulti light cuckshit

>>135562164

This is completely backwards. Assimilation is the WORST possible
outcome. As long as the 3rd-worlders are segregated and isolated into ghettos, no-go zones, and their own areas, their is hope. We are marginalized, but we exist. But assimilation would be apocalypse. Assimilation would be the mongrelizarion of our gene pool, the reduction of "whites" to brownish double-digit IQs that are mere shadows of the people who conquered the entire world. Assimilating the 3rd world would be the end of our people, and East Asians would own the earth.

>>135589012
Assimilation comes with severely reduced numbers under ideal ACN

Stop arguing against the strawman

Start calling out cucks who try to subvert ACN

>>135553920
>What's the difference? Is there any?
None other than one side embraces their own demise while the other side is brow beaten into it. What's to even be proud of with niggers and others wackos ruining it non-stop, with govt approval and encouragement? Nothing.

>>135588987

You don't seem to understand. If your ideology is in any way based around race and ethnicity, then it's by definition not civic nationalism, as the only that matters in civi nationalism is being a citizen of the nation, a matter of paperwork and ideology.

Under civic nationalism, a Somalian who was born is Sweden, follows the laws of Sweden, pays his taxes and subscribes to the values of Sweden is 100% indistinguishable from an ethic Swede in the eyes of the state. If that stops being true, it is not civic nationalism.

>>135553920
We've already had this thread 100 times today. There is no difference stop being a hopeless faggot

>>135589413
Its based around the qualities that white people excel at and have risen to the top because of.

Thats what we want, the best of each race, mainly whites, to be brought forth and shown to the world

>>135589469
Read the thhread
>>135589226
Wrong

Cucks yelling CIVIC NATIONALISM are just subversive kike puppets

>>135589929

There are 2.5 billion people in Asia and China alone. Even if only .3 percent of them had the "qualities that white people excel at", it would be more than enough to completely overwhelm the US and destroy our gene pool forever.

Whites are 9% of the population. You can't save them by basing citizenship on sole abstract values, because by sheer numbers alone there will be tens of millions of non-whites who also have those values.

>>135586136
Austria-Hungary worked for awhile somehow.

>>135588080
If they are able to contribute to society in a field we happen to be lacking in.

>>135561661
wtf is this?

>>135591276
Can't tell if trans man or trans woman.

>>135590786

A monarchy isn't really nationalism, when the people are "subjects" rather than "citizens" you can make different things worth. But Austria-Hungary was also a collection of people very closely related in genetic (and geographic) terms, it's nothing like the US or modern western countries grouping together what are effectively separate subspecies of humans. Furthermore, Austria-Hungary never worked that well, and when it collapsed it collapsed based on ethnic groups.

The U.S. made it very clear in their first citizenship and naturalization law "white people only". And despite the presence of former negro slaves, the US was still 90% white until 1950.

Why did they fall so far, so fast?

They were too civic nationalist. They kept letting in "whites" from further and further afield until they foolishly let in the Jews.

Sensing the danger, they tried to slam the door shut after that mistake, but it was too late. The Jews gained high places through "merit" (cheating, ethnic nepotism, gaming the system, verbal IQ based cons) and eventually gained more and more political influence.

They pried the borders open, weaponized the negroes and, not content with political control, weaponized the immigration laws and set about reducing the once proud whites to a demographic minority, hoping to permanently lock them out of power.

Don't repeat this mistake. The nation is the people, not the dirt.

>>135592424
I don't even blame the jews for getting their way into those high positions desu, they had the opportunity to get where they wanted and they took it, life is survival of the fittest, I honestly wish whites had that kind of ruthlessness.