Why did libertarians get such a bad rep?

>>135453969
Becuase it's ridiculously easy to assert or even genuinely think that if someone says that the government should not be the one doing X, they are saying that X should not be done at all.

everyone realized they are as equally naive as marxists with their pie in the sky "everyone will just respect everyone elses rights naturally" bullshit

humans are naturally petty, greedy, uncaring, and despite how much people deny it violent and dominating

just the expectation that a majority or people would behave respectably without threat of force is laughable

>>135454454
The thing about a libertarian ideal is that the threat of force still exists, it's just in the hands of the individual instead of the government.

>>135453969

They believe it wouldn't devolve into an extra-cutthroat version of what we already have (i.e. corporations openly purchasing parts of the government)

>>135454454

>everyone will just respect everyone elses rights naturally

Literally no libertarian here believes that. You are just as bad as the people on here that accuse Marxists of being children of the Frankfurt school... even though the Frankfurt school was anti-degeneracy. The irony.

The libertarian position is this: No matter how good/evil humanity is, it will not become more good by instituting a government.