Question for those who want to close the border...

>>135445654
Our people are more important than shekels rabbi. It would be better to be poor and have our people than rich and a clusterfucked EUSSR like you have.

>>135446183
Kek alright. I would argue though that "your people" will have a rough job market and its not all about the shekels.

>>135445654
unemployment rate is meaningless, the government fucked with it decades ago. Give a look at labor force participation rate (especially for men, especially for people 15-64). Its on FRED, the Feds website. Fucking liberals cant even do their homework right

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>>135445654
If you knew wtf you were talking about, you'd know that if you stop actively looking for a job you're not counted in the unemployment stats.

>>135447525
Alright then tell me how Japan is doing with their immigration policies...

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>>135447525
And disregarding unemployment rates is just dumb.

>>135447797
top kek nice goalpost shifting. Japan? WTF do I care about Japan? I care about Europe and to some extent the us. If you're referring to Japan's fertility rate, its the same as Germany or Italy without all the terror attacks, migrant crimes and rapes etc

>>135447797
>Japan imports a bunch of 70 IQ niggers
>majority of jobs get automated 20 years later
>a bunch of welfare sucking coon rapists have nothing to do but riot about getting even more free shit
>at least pension costs were covered for a few years
You only want this because you're a worthless fucking nigger who stands to benefit.

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>>135445654
Cute story.

>>135448332
I mentioned Japan because they are a good model for what happens with low/none immigration. Japan is suffering economic instability and a minor recession as a result from their policies...

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>>135448325
That pic is from QZ, not exactly breitbart. Look man i don't know what to tell you, if you like it when the government lies to you you must be a bigger fag than i thought. Do some indipendent research

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/feb/10/donald-lambro-obama-hides-jobs-failure-by-not-coun/

Both of the things i posted/linked to are from liberal sources (QZ and Gallup). Do with that what you will

>>135445654
The graph you posted doesn't show any correlation.

>>135448635
Refugees are separate from my current discussion on immigration...refugees shouldn't be immigrants are should rather be temporary inhabitants.

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>>135448730
What is Somalia suffering from as a result of niggers?
>just move them to a different arbitrary geographic location and they won't be borderline mentally challenged niggers anymore
>muh magic dirt

>>135448730
Japan is suffering from extremely low birth rates and an economy drugged up on cheap money and keynesianism.. Basically what the fed is doing in the us on a much bigger scale. The moar you know...

>>135448611
Yep got me there.

>>135445654
You don't understand cause and effect.

You seem to imply that pouring in immigrants automatically lowers unemployment. But any correlation could likewise simply indicate that immigrant rats come during a booming economy.

>>135448908
L o L
You're so dumb you think any of those people are going home?
>correlation doesn't imply causation
Obama leaf, you're still so visible.

>>135449074
desu I think you came here for a "gotcha" moment and to reinforce your beliefs. I was an open borders libertarian before, but now i've done my research and changed my mind. You should try it too.

>>135449192
Not quite. I was mostly addressing those who want to drastically decrease immigration. I myself believe I country needs to control its borders but that immigration in controlled amounts is generally good.

>>135446669
>I would argue though that "your people" will have a rough job market

But low unemployment is when the job market is the best for those in it.

It forces wages up and makes it easier to get the job you want.

>>135447797
Japan's GDP per capita is rising because of it.

>>135449325
No not really. I was generally wondering if people would sacrifice there economy for some ethereal ethnically "pure' state.

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>>135449921
kek Japans economy is far from stable.

>>135449901
Dont tell me you think that unemployment would improve a country.

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>>135450290
Read the post again you stupid nigger.

>>135450148
You realize gross GDP is a pretty stupid metric right?

Do you honestly believe importing a million people and then handing them money (that your government took a loan for) so they can consume a bunch and drive up your net GDP (while lowering your GDP per capita, a better indicator of peoples' wealth) is an improvement?

You are letting meaningless numbers without context inform you.

>>135450148
>Japan's GDP is virtually unchanged over a 5 year average
>while their population is declining

How is having a static GDP 'unstable'? That's actually the definition of stability.

You're such a brainwashed moron.

Don't even point to 2009 which was a global crash.

>>135450989
>the US is a nation of immigrants
>the US caused one of the worst worldwide financial crashes in history
What say you, OP?

>>135451464
Great depression was caused by poorly carried out monetary policy.

>>135450989
it is not static to repetitively fall into a recession. Im not going to point to 2008 lol the US' GDP looks much better than that of Japan.

>>135450477
Yes GDP is not the best way to calculate a nations worth. But I think it goes against common economics for a nation to cut off its labor flow.

>>135445654

Now show the average income, Mr. shekelstein.

>>135445654
Yes. I base that on the need of those in positionts to know to cover white-hispanic crimes by grouping them with whites. There's something wrong with non-white Hispanics, therefore there must be something wrong with the white Hispanics, too.
If you don't want to be thrown out _you_ need to start lobbying to get the data broken up into corrected categories so we can discuss it intelligently. This has always been your issue to fix, Paco. You better get to it, your window of opportunity is closing rapidly.

>>135445654
It is worth the cost, NSDAP prove it works

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>>135452083
I would point to the recessions for not letting the income to rise.

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>>135445654
Hey kike, you know they changed the way they calculate unemployment right? Bet you didnt. Btfo kike.

>>135451884
>static over a 5 year average

God damn you have zero fucking reading comprehension. It's also reaching to point to 3 quarters of -.5% GDP and scream "RECESSION!!!!"

>>135452063
>it goes against common economics for a nation to cut off its labor flow.

Japan is fucking leading the world in robotics. Common economics has never had to deal with mass automation.

>>135449968
It doesn't have to be ethnically pure, just refrain from shipping in thousand upon thousands of mongrels. People who are so far removed from us culturally and genetically that they'll never integrate properly, especially when there's so many of them that they'd rather create their own communities within the state.

Bring a polish/russian/french man to Norway, wait one generation, and it will be impossible to tell that his child isn't norwegian. The same goes for most european countries. Even if you can tell, it's subtle and nothing you really think about and allows for perfect integration and eventual assimilation.

The shitskins we are importing on the other hand relish in creating a division between themselves and the state/rest of the people, in 500 years they will still live in their own communities.

>>135452384
Hard to tell from a war loser...if (((you bois))) didn't attack Russia than maybe borders would be thick today.

>>135452477

I didn't realize the US has been in a continuous recession since 1998.

Honestly this is just sad. You're so dumb and unwilling to admit it.

>>135445654

> he thinks correlation implies causation

>>135445654
The reported unemployment rate is not the actual unemployment rate. The actual unemployment rate for the working-aged in the US is 25%.

>>135452751
I never said that boi, that would disregard the clear trend of a rising GDP...

>>135453193
>Recessions are why wages haven't risen
>Wages haven't risen since 1998

So you're just pretending to be retarded then.

>>135453428
Im saying it takes times for wages to adjust after a recession. Sticky wages.

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>>135445654
>correlation

Look at the low points in that graph and think about what was going on at that time, you fucking mongoloid.

>>135453641
>It takes decades for wages to rise after a recession

By your logic, wages should virtually never rise since recessions happen regularly in nearly every nation.

>>135452783
Immigrants improve trade.

>>135453801

>wages should virtually never rise

I thought the stagnation of wages in the us was a real issue......

>>135453910

Proof?

>>135453801
Fucking hell ik what happened in 2008. Immigrants improve trade and the net economic status of a country.

>>135454037
uhhhh not too big of a study but it yielded obvious results. https://wol.iza.org/uploads/articles/82/pdfs/impact-of-migration-on-trade.pdf

>>135454267

Its not even peer reviewed.

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>>135454267
>Most studies do not allow the estimated effect of immigration on trade to differ for different immigrant stocks

into the trash it goes

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>>135445654
I believe you are using the U3 numbers which are fucking worthless so fuck off for one.

Second if we assume that the number is good and say we have a population of 100 and 20 are unemployed and have immigration of 50 and receive employment due to economic growth the relative unemployment number will go down will the 20 preexisting population will remain unemployed.

You have in no way proved your point the data provided creates more questions than provides answers, anyone drawing any conclusion based on this data set is a fucking child.

>>135445654
Germany see welfare cost more than double; Asylum-seekers received nearly $5.91 billion in welfare benefits: https://www.wsj.com/articles/germanys-welfare-bill-rises-169-as-refugee-numbers-grow-1473077920

"Around 975,000 migrants were receiving benefits" (they took in just over 1 million at this time , And this number does not include those with refugee status or those entitled to asylum!) almost 2/3 of the benefits received came from Asia, with half of this group coming from Syria! 22% came from European countries such as Albania, Serbia, Montenegro, Massadona the rest came from Africa. http://www.businessinsider.com/r-number-of-migrants-claiming-benefits-in-germany-surges-by-169-percent-2016-9

One in seven Germans 32 and younger are Muslim – 80% are on welfare
http://www.nationaleconomicseditorial.com/2017/02/19/german-economy-immigration/

A plethora of the refugees are illiterate in their own language!
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/671501/Minister-migrants-illiterate-Peter-Dutton-Immigration-Minister-australia

Refugees won't plug German labour gap:
http://www.politico.eu/article/refugees-wont-plug-german-labor-gap-asylum-employment-skills-gap/

Germany: 50% feel threatened by Islam, 41% want to stop Muslim immigration: http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/15/germany-tolerance-islam-wearing-thin/

>>135455178
Into archive

>http://businessinsider com/r-number-of-migrants-claiming-benefits-in-germany-surges-by-169-percent-2016-9
https://archive.is/EsVVg
>http://politico eu/article/refugees-wont-plug-german-labor-gap-asylum-employment-skills-gap
https://archive.is/ZOf8Q

>>135445654
WZB Berlin Social Science Center: 65% of Muslims in Europe say Sharia is more important than the law of the country they live in.
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4092/europe-islamic-fundamentalism

95% of honor killings in the West are perpetrated by Muslim fathers and brothers or their proxies.
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011/09/21/barbara-kay-continue-calling-honour-killings-by-its-rightful-name/

Migrants linked to 69,000 would be or actual crimes in Germany in first three months of 2016: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-germany-crime-idUSKCN0YT28V

This is a report released by the countries interior minister (so of course it's in German):
http://www.bmi.bund.de/SharedDocs/Pressemitteilungen/DE/2016/05/pks-und-pmk-2015.html

This website summarizes and translates all of the data and statistics and provides the graphs:
http://www.meforum.org/6031/migrants-high-crime-germany

>>135454479
>>135454558
Similar results from this study.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4020834/

>>135454135
According to reports commission by organizations with an interest in pushing this horseshit

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>>135445654
Homogenous society brings more comfort, confidence in the government, overall prosperity

>>135455232
I am mostly talking about economic migrants, and nevertheless that doesn't seem to leave closing the border as its only option. I agree that migrants are deadweight on many economies, but they can be put back into place after the Syrian war is over.

>>135455278
Not really an argument.

>>135445654
You got cause and effect mixed up. When unemployment is high people are more likely to emigrate and and less likely to immigrate.

>>135455245

from that paper

"the networks of international
migration and trade are strongly correlated, and such correlation can be mostly explained by country economic/demographic size and geographical distance"

Looks like being close to each other increases trade.

>>135448635
Hey that's better than Germany they took in close to 1.5 million and last year I think the Big companies were able to employ just over 50!

http://fortune.com/2016/09/14/germany-hiring-refugee/

http://in.reuters.com/article/europe-migrants-germany-companies-idINKCN11J2BW

>>135455637
OK. Do you believe that immigrants are a net negative on a countries economy.

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>>135445654
>Based on the historical correlation between immigration and unemployment
coreelation, causation.

get out of here retard

>>135455832
I refuse to let an anarchist call me a retard kek.

>>135455752
Sovereignty is priceless.

>>135456002
Retard.

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>>135455245
>using immigration data from back to the 60s

gg, now we have mostly white migration in this model, which is also shown in the link graphic.

This model just shows that white migration from first world worlds is beneficial to trade.

>>135445654
Easy, import whites from Europe as most of them are more skilled than the Native American.
https://archive.is/U9D6x

Also
>stagflation due to age
lmaoing at your life

>Several recent theories emphasize the negative effects of an aging population on economic growth, either because of the lower labor force participation and productivity of older workers or because aging will create an excess of savings over desired investment, leading to secular stagnation. We show that there is no such negative relationship in the data. If anything, countries experiencing more rapid aging have grown more in recent decades. We suggest that this counterintuitive finding might reflect the more rapid adoption of automation technologies in countries undergoing more pronounced demographic changes, and provide evidence and theoretical underpinnings for this argument.
http://economics.mit.edu/files/12536

>>135456470
The study shows a general trend.

>>135455423
> they can be put back in place once the Syrian war is over.

BAHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
!!

> literally implying that the Muslims will go back to their desert shit hole, compared to collecting billions of dollars in welfare for doing nothing in European countries. Not to mention the plethora of Muslim fundamentalist that want to outbreed Europe into an Islamic state.

OK now I know you're retarded

>>135457071
OK retard. Are you telling me that the state COULDNT round up the migrants and dumb them back to syria? A state that can't do that can't control its borders.

>>135456986
with the presumption that all migrants have the same benefit as the majority of the migration that took place from the 60s to the 80s.

>>135457393
>OK retard. Are you telling me that the state COULDNT round up the migrants and dumb them back to syria? A state that can't do that can't control its borders.

lol in what world do you live?
No one can round up anyone, once they are here they stay here, there are people who have a negative application for asylum for 10 years and they are still in europe, because all the lefties block the justice system.

Even without the block, none of the countries would take them back, they are glad they are gone.

>>135455752
The majority of immigrants are not contributors and quite often collect welfare, a small minority of highly educated/skilled immigrants just barely make the overall immigrate population a net positive for the economy.

Of course this does not take into account the high immigrant birth rates compared to the low date of birth rates, antithetical barbaric cultures, overall flaws of multiculturalism and it's ugliness, and the expense of crimes and judicial issues with immigrants ( not to mention the lives that are damaged or taken; The only reason first generation immigrants have a lower crime rate per capita is because of the grotesquely disproportionate crime rate of made of blacks in America. However second generation immigrants crime rate exponentially grows almost quadruples for some ethnicities)

Regardless the argument that crimes are committed to the domestically so who cares if immigrant scum come and commit more crime — is beyond idiotic. If anything it just proves that we have a domestic crime issue that is not controlled as of yet, therefore we should not be taking in any immigrants. That could potentially add even the slightest additional crime.

>>135457393
Somebody already painted the obvious picture for you, you are beyond retarded… Like it's just sick that you are that fucking naïve.

>>135446183
lol your thread got destroyed with the first post.

imagine being autistic enough to debate the economic benefits or harms of an invasion.

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>>135445654
I'm sure this was just a (((coincidence)))

As employment rises among the native populations they will spend more money in their own community stores. They'll have more disposable income to buy more goods and services. Thus growing business and helping get closer to a stable economy.

As employment rises among illegal immigrants, they'll send money home to their country of origin to support family members. They'll export these stolen earnings out of the country to feed the needs of their homeland.

>>135458301
invasion? ok retard.

>>135458639
Never said I was in favor of illegals...

>>135445654
White immigrants

>>135445654
What is the specific per capita dollar amount at which ethnically replacing your own people in your homeland becomes a good idea?

>>135458363
Yeah obviously people who are just dumbasses fleeing from Syria are no good.

>>135458900
"My people" are people who appreciate western values.

>>135459060
The right to self-determination of peoples specifies exclusion as a necessary part of it.

You have none. There is no people for traitors.

>>135459060
You can send ideas to Africa without having to move Africans here.
Send them a copy of the US Constitution. They'll be competing with the West once they read it.

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>People STILL defend a flood of unskilled labor as if it's not a massive ploy to make more money for businesses

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>>135447797
>Japan is doing with their immigration policies

correlation is not causation

>>135445654

Jew detected. Jews are always most concerned with MUH GDP, at the expense of everything else. All the money in the world isn't going to protect you from Muhammad raping your teen daughter, Schlomo. Now fuck off back to Israel

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>>135448325
Since 2007, debt grew with nearly 10T$ and FED rates were lowered with 85% so only 2 mil new jobs can be created.

Bye bye Weimerica.

>>135445654
>muh ethnic nationalism

Never going to work in America. You can't have a successful ethnic national state without a nation state to begin with. Civic nationalism is the most viable route for America. Put the struggling races on their feet by cracking down on their bullshit. Keep the productive people, deport/kill/jail the rest.

>>135462609
It did work in America. It was built on it.