I need help debating someone about trans being banned in military.

>>135443566
A debate online? Are you some kind of retard? You do know that debates rarely ever persuade someone to change their perspective and only serves to reassert pre-conceived ones instead. She's practically asking you to debate with an audience that will agree with her and on a censored platform no less.

>>135443566
45% of em actually tried to commit suicide, giving them the extra stress of combat roles, combined with easy access to weapons, would double that number easily...

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>>135444481
This desu. Everyone is going to shit on you no matter how clearly you present your points, because they've already decided that they're right.

>>135443566
All you need is the suicide stats, and the DSM-V definition of gender/body dysphoria. Also, the military is allowed to discriminate however they goddamn please.

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>>135443566

> whyever would the military have trouble with this

>>135444691
>mentally ill shouldn't be in the military
>trannies arent mentally ill!
>ban trannies
>UM BAKA ALMOST HALF OF ALL TRANNIES TRY TO KILL THEMSELF WTF IS WRONG WITH U BIGOT
>they're totally not mentally ill though
How do people lack this much self awareness

>>135443566
Argue the point that the military discriminates against diabetics, people with a history of depression, and a fuckton of other groups. Then once that's established list tranny suicide percentages, and show how the cost per person is much higher than conditions such as erectile disfunction.

>>135443566
Ok shitlord. Trans people are just as American as anyone else and have the right to die for Israel like any other cuck.

People with ADHD, depression or suicidal thoughts and a tons of other issues are instantly rejected as well.

>>135445120
This is just bad for morale

Bring up the point that the people telling them to let trannies in the military are speaking from a privileged position. They don't have to serve, they don't have to work and they get to sleep in a bed while servicemen die to maintain their privileged lifestyle.

Why should anyone expect these oppressed working class soldiers to die for a privileged liberals feelings of self-righteousness? Trannies have 40 times the suicide rate and believe that they are something they are not.

Would you rather have your life depend on a trained and stable soldier or someone who thinks they are a penguin and has 40 times the suicide rate?

But yeah try to tie in "privilege" to turn their arguments against them. They are demanding that men literally die to preserve liberal fee fees.

>>135443566
Don't bother, no matter what you write everyone will just hear what they want because of the social conditioning. You can't win.

>>135443566


Some good reading to start:

http://thefederalist.com/2017/07/27/trump-keeping-trans-people-military-good-decision/

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/449873/individual-empowerment-not-military-objective

http://dailysignal.com/2017/07/26/why-forcing-the-military-to-pay-for-sex-changes-would-be-disastrous/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/07/26/trump-trans-ban-prioritizes-national-security-joseph-murray-column/513373001/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_people_and_military_service#Arguments_against_including_transgender_people_in_the_military

>>135443566
get ready for smug Daily Show-esque remarks and strawman arguments. Brush up on fallacies before you say anything.

>>135443566

Terminal Lance had an effective summary:

If you are going to allow Trans to enter, then you need to ban physical fitness because sex is a choice, which means anyone can now achieve male fitness.

This will wipe out the Women in Infantry and all other SJW bullshit overnight and return the Military Industrial Complex to a meritocratic institution, which is what 99% of the world corporate and military establishment want anyways

Trans costs money and the lifestyle limits their ability to perform due to blood / surgery related illness that makes them a poor / suboptimal recruit in the first place. If Trans are allowed to remain in Military then it will be harder to justify their career displacement / slow advancement related to their sexual lifestyle choices in public and military boards.

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>>135444691
is this number for all "trans" or just the ones who went through surgery?

>>135443566
Don't invest too much in it OP
Trump will back down again as always. One of his friendly 'enemies' will tie his hands ala McCain and Trump will shrug as usual and pretend he's really cut up about reversing yet another of his promises
It's going to be the pattern for trump's entire term

>>135444481
This is so ironic. OP proves the point to asking for evidence and reasons for why he believes something he believes.

He doesn't even understand his own views let alone is ready to consider any others

>>135443566
Or you just need /pol/'s point of views in a safe environment so you can try to run back to your liberal friends and counter

Just a heads up, you wont. You are here forever. The next meme president will come, you'll stay. The next wave of redditors and fappenings will pass. you'll stay. No matter what you're part of the Redpill. Enjoy your stay faggot

>>135443566
They don't let diabetics in specifically because medical care for them in war zones can't be guaranteed. If they can't reliably deliver insulin, how can they reliably deliver hormones and dialators? It's one thing to die on a combat resupply mission delivering ammo or picking up soldiers wounded under fire, but I'd sure hate to die on a combat evac because terry lost his dialator to enemy fire and got an infection in his mangina.

>>135445477
>How do people lack this much self awareness

That, my friend, is the question of the age.

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Always be prepared for the inevitable reference to the NSDAP.

>wants you to debate on her public page
Because she wants to gang tackle you with other people making the arguments for her.

>>135443566
>45% suicide rate
>body dysmorphia is a mental disease
>4 hours of dilation