Communism General

>>135431849
Old thread
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Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.

Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.

Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:

>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
https://www.gommies.gom/fug/
https://www.gommies.gom/starve/

GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohfugme/

It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.

Resources:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohshid/
https://www.gommies.gom/1984/
https://www.gommies.gom/guck/
https://www.gommies.gom/probaganda/
https://www.gommies.gom/XDDDD/
https://www.gommies.gom/wheresfood/
https://www.gommies.gom/benis/

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Da sdages of gommunism.

>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.

>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.

>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.

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>>135432111

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>>135432401
Speaking of the 2008 crisis, USA didn't fix it for shit, and is doing the same exact thing with student loans.

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>>135432111
gommunism = benis XDDDD

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>>135432401

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>>135431849
pic is you, faggot.

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here's a quick summary of communism

>>135432622
the 2008 colmapse was mainly caused by government intervention into the housing and financia markets

You forgot your meme flag at first

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>>135433082

>>135433119
Yes. By deregulating it. :^)

>GDP meme
bottom lel

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>>135431849
Im reporting this general. Its just a raid, you post your memes and no one reads them. Its board disruption to propagandize and brainwash a community that you are hostile to. Fuck off.

Sage, hide and REPORT

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reminder to all reddit refugees: type "sage" in the Options bar to prevent your post from bumping this thread

>>135433134
For reasons I can't open threads on my browser so I opened the thread on IE where for reasons I can't change my flag.

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Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.

Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.

Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:

>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
https://www.gommies.gom/fug/
https://www.gommies.gom/starve/

GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohfugme/

It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.

Resources:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohshid/
https://www.gommies.gom/1984/
https://www.gommies.gom/guck/
https://www.gommies.gom/probaganda/
https://www.gommies.gom/XDDDD/
https://www.gommies.gom/wheresfood/
https://www.gommies.gom/benis/

-----------------------------------------
Da sdages of gommunism.

>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.

>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.

>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis..

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sage

here ya go commies

>>135433359
We drew that.

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>>135432568

>be NEET without any qualifications, education or job experience
>let me tell you about the struggles of the working class

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1/2

>>135433204
no. I'm referring to the Bush "houses for everyone" policies, and Freddie/Fannie May/Mac, which essentially forced banks to give loans to people who they would otherwise deny (because they would be unable to pay it off). You are defending government-enforced debt slavery and financial risk by asserting "deregulation" caused the financial crisis.

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upgrading gommie pic. these guys are fully autistic.

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>>135433583
2/2
hmmmm.....

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>>135431849
>germany
huh. figures.

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>>135433204
>GDP meme
lmao commies say GDP (PPP) is a meme because it's the clearest measurement for productive output, and communism lowers that.

Leftist arguments are so weak it's hard to believe people actually fall for it.

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Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.

Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.

Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:

>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
https://www.gommies.gom/fug/
https://www.gommies.gom/starve/

GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohfugme/

It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.

Resources:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohshid/
https://www.gommies.gom/1984/
https://www.gommies.gom/guck/
https://www.gommies.gom/probaganda/
https://www.gommies.gom/XDDDD/
https://www.gommies.gom/wheresfood/
https://www.gommies.gom/benis/

Da sdages of gommunism.

>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.

>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.

>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.

>Sdage four
Nod real gommunism. Move on to nexd goundry :DDDDDDD

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>>135433583
>>135433797
>2008 crisis was just a housing bubble burst
>GDP measures productive output
Do you anything at all about anything?

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>>135433875
b-b-b-but muh porky is oppressing you and me with his evil capitalism! Can't you see communism is the best economic system? I mean, isn't it obvious from all these a priori, unempirical philosophical statements?!!?!,!?!,!?!?!,

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>>135434098
>most socialist country in europe
>somehow it's porky's fault they're scavenging for food
lmao. Then again, you deadbrained religious stalinists also say the USSR was "state capitalism".

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>>135434103
How's your rate of profitability doing?

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>>135434322
>Germany and EU isn't forcing austerity on the Greeks

>>135434071
These people will die for Porky's right to steal their grandmothers pension.

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>>135434364
how's your self-contradictory, empirically false, and thoroughly debunked Marxist "economics" doing?

Ever heard of Sraffa? Top lel >implying commies care about real economics

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>>135434098
Yeah, socialism sucks, I've got firsthand experience mate

>>135434449
>austerity
>the reason the Greeks are in trouble
top kek you commies honestly want a government and economy like Greece's don't you? You don't care wether it's sustainable or efficient, you just want welfare and free shit.

Well, I'm glad there are no intellectual commies in this thread. I have things to do this hour.

>>135434599
>insisting Marxist economics have been "thoroughly"debunked
k

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>>135434896
well you wouldn't know in the first place because you don't know shit about ECON, you are just a religious commie with extreme confirmation bias.

I'll take that as a NO, you've never heard of Sraffa. Well of course not, see the first sentence of this post.

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>>135434859
we are literally 1 step away from full-blown communism mate. There are retards that actually believe that once we kill the 5 or so successful businessmen that are left in this god-forsaken shithole Greece will turn into a utopia.
We'd just turn into Venezuela and the same retards will be crying that it isn't real communism, of course. But goddamn, I'd pity marxist ideologues if I wasn't busy being thoroughly disgusted by them.
choppers fucking when?

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>>135435281
that sucks. Well good thing you're in the EU. Move to Denmark or something.

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>>135435042

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>>135435281

>>135435431
>>135435663
>>135435042
>boo hoo hoo Greece is so poor
>boo hoo wealthy people are going there to vacation and it makes me jealous :^(
>even if they're actually helping Greece by spending money there
well I guess you HAVE to rely on porky memes to try to spread communism you're economically illiterate

good for you learning to shill by being intellectually dishonest and ignoring posts that BTfO you

Just look at this thoughtful discussion and articulate reasoning by the communists. I guess I am a #commiechamp now

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>>135435042
>rich people still exist in Greece
nah, they've all left, they only come around at summer for vacation. There are a couple of oligarchs still around smoking cigars and shit but they are great friends with the socialist government that allows them to continue their business, otherwise they'd probably leave too. Of course that would be completely different once the communist revolution was underway!
pic related, this was the fate of the communist leaders that started a civil war in the '40s and began the downfall of this country.

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>>135435792
>pic related, this was the fate of the communist leaders that started a civil war in the '40s and began the downfall of this country.
Greek people who think the 40s are to blame for the current economic problems make Porky smile

>>135435981
lmao literally the only thing you can do now is spout porky memes and ignore actual criticisms of your debunked religion.

>>135436102
Are you honestly expecting mentally ill people to have arguments?

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>>135436252
some of them are intellectual despite their religion

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>>135432111
obligatory

>>135436586
>>135436586
can you find and post the one that's a commie blaming porky for his bike fall?

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>>135435769
>boo hoo hoo Greece is so poor
Never made that argument
>boo hoo wealthy people are going there to vacation and it makes me jealous :^(
Never made that argument
>even if they're actually helping Greece by spending money there
Never talked about that

>good for you learning to shill by being intellectually dishonest and ignoring posts that BTfO you
I actually was only posting memes, before you came here and started "REEEEEing" Not really making any argument, so unsure how you BTFO'd an argument I never made.

I try to ignore posts where people are projecting their issues onto me and focus on making and posting porky memes.

>>135431849
>Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.

In other words:
>Tfw too smart to eat food

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>>135433208
I read them every time. Let them have fun.

>> board disruption to propagandize and brainwash a community that you are hostile to.

Nigger hate day, jew hate every day 5,6 times on /pol.

>im reporting this general.
Pic related

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>>135435663
>>135435981
>socialist state fails
>people demonstrate against the socialist state
>It's the capitalists fault!!!
dude, seriously. I wouldn't touch my country with a 10-foot pole if I wanted to argue against capitalism.
We've had a demsoc government ever since the '70s that created a state that was too big to fail, with extremely short bursts of centrist right-wingers that were demonized for wanting to privatize the communications and the electricity industries. This didn't change until 2 years ago, when actual straight-up commies came in power.
I understand that commies will still find a way to blame the right-wing, I really do, I encounter faggots like you on the daily. Seriously though, if you wanna ever convince someone about communism don't talk about Greece, just say that we don't have real communism and move on.
And no, "zie germans" aren't "forcing austerity" on us. The socialists have been borrowing money ever since we entered the EU, and the germans simply want their money back. The """austerity""" they are forcing is pretty much what the right-wing has been calling for since the '90s, compressed and enlarged (since the debt has only gone up). We wouldn't have a problem if our country wasn't just a big corrupt socialist state. Half the people in this fucking country are employed in the state, they literally can't be fired via law voted by the socialists, and they all vote for leftists so as to keep that fucking law and not get fired, do you understand what that means motherfucker?

>>135436252
that's rich coming from a : cuck, jew, shill, jidf, (()))

>>135436713
At work, don't have it here. Sorry anon

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>>135436713
>can you find and post the one that's a commie blaming porky for his bike fall?
You can't make it yourself? Sad...
>>135436252
>>135436472
Nah I've just made the experience on Communism General there are a lot of people who want to get me into an argument and then make personal attacks so instead of wasting my time listening to people like you insult me I'm making porky memes, if you have a question I'll try to answer it.

I mean so far you've just accused me of thinking something and I'm really too lazy to deal with accusations that are going to devolve into a shouting match

>>135437214
>Unironically calling capitalists porky
Can't wait for summer to be over.

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>>135436713
It is time for you to go back

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>>135436930

>>135437214
One question,

Free market yes or no?
(with limited goverment oversight ofc(not owning the means of production))

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How's Venezuela working out for you guys?

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>>135437294
>Can't wait for summer to be over.
Same

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>>135437578
It is not real Communism

>>135437480
>Free market yes or no?
Depends on the market and depends on your definition of free.

No free market for CP.

Yes to the free market of ideas.

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>>135437630
>>Burning 20 quids
>>mfw

>>135437756
need time to type the question up, sec

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>>135437214
>>135436722
ok. Well if you want a real argument:
>Marx's numerical examples and tables are dynamic (without Marx knowing it) and don't work for long
>The LTV is ludicrous. Machines and animals CAN produce more than their value, and the notion that machinery depreciates in value an equal value to the amount of value it adds is pure bullshit, and something that's at the center of Marxist ideology.
>if captalists sought a high rate of profit, the rate of surplus that goes to the capitalist 1) would not increase and 2) would not be uniform--see Sraffa
>GDP growth is universally slower under socialist and low-economic freedom nations compared to comparable capitalist nations. Thus, capitalism seems to be the quickest way to the "future"
>communism (as in, the hypothetical post scarcity stage of society) is a priori impossible because humans will always compete for resources and there are b'very finite resources
>communism requires an authoritarian state to spread propaganda and imprison "anti social elements" and prevent trade or finance
>captalism (finance) is inherently good and increases everyone's wealth in the long run

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>>135437475
>heheh, i've run out of arguments, here's another canned meme
alright, fuck yo thread nigga

>>135437578
i love charles II, the ultimate NEET autist who was somehow born into the most powerful family in the world. any more rare chucks?

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and yeah, i'm obviously saging every one of these

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>>135438059
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>>135438338

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>>135438386

>>135432401
It was due to the government ruling house loans should be given out to more people, including people who would afford to pay them back. I cant think of any institution besides the american government who gained from this.

>>135437694
>capitalism
>responsible for every war and act of genocide in every nation that is even ostensibly capitalist
lel.

>>135438307
>>135438232
you're doing god's work anon, hope you have 300 memes

>>135437756
Free market=/=CP

Would your utopian state own the means of production, or would you let the market regulate itself?

(In the market only goal is profit, so ofc there would have to be some regulations. Like having banks seperate from investments banks)

That is where I would draw a line. No public run anything thank you very much.


Would it be a totalitarianism state or more oligarchical with election like China?

Would you have free movement of labor with other nation states?

Would you participate in trade deals with other states? Or would you protect your market?

>>135438393

This is why I will forever be a member of the party.. We have cute anime girls on our side.

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>>135438657
gotta help ya here

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>>135438683

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>>135438698
lmao Marxist's main demographic kn the US are ugly self-hating weaboos

>>135438338
Based Greece.
I hope you never repay your denbts, become full nationalist and the Commie EU collapses.

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>>135438851

>pls no bully, anon. I just want to make sure that the means of production are evenly distributed among workers... you are a worker, right?

How do you respond?

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>>135438785
thanks mate

>>135438025
>Marx's numerical examples and tables are dynamic (without Marx knowing it) and don't work for long
I think Marx's math was pretty bad, but his critique of capitalism was correct.

>communism requires an authoritarian state to spread propaganda and imprison "anti social elements" and prevent trade or finance
Communism does not require an authoritarian state, Communism needs people who will cooperate, but so far all Communist countries have had authoritarian elements.

>captalism (finance) is inherently good and increases everyone's wealth in the long run
Depends on your definition of Good, if you think capital taking a share of the value of your labor is good, then capitalism is good.

>>135438059
Seems like someone got triggered by Porky memes

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Failure is the last step of Communism.

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>>135438612
>>135438944
thank you too mates
here's a couple more

>>135438806
I see nothing wrong with that,those whores are violating the NAP

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>>135438272
hahahahahahaha

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Keep on dreamin', it's hilarious

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>>135439010

Am I going to get my answer commies?
>>135438682

>>135439271

>Half the globe

Most of it was undeveloped land due to imperial rule. There was no people's revolution in Russia or China until communism. The West had theirs with France and the United States.

The West develops, Russia has a revolution and the West (because they are ruled and cucked by bankers) embargo the East and do everything they can to prevent their progress as a people

>>135439226
>>135439226
>if you think capital taking a share of the value of your labor is good, then capitalism is good.
Yes, generally the more advanced tech jobs (which have more capital) are better paying. So yes, capitalism is good. I would rather make more money being "oppressed" than work in a commune and net 12k a year

>Communism does not require an authoritarian state, Communism needs people who will cooperate, but so far all Communist countries have had authoritarian elements.
in every real world example of Marxist Communism, an authoritarian state has been needed. That's my point.

>Marx's critique of capitalism is correct.
No, not at all. That's self-evident from the points you didn't address. Read the chapter on Marxist "economics" in "Debunking Economics" by Keen.

>>135438272

haha stupid commies

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>>135439944
literally this.

>>135439604
>the definition of cherry picking
>flag: meme ideology that was invented to make communism look less Jewish
checks out.

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>>135438682
>Would your utopian state own the means of production, or would you let the market regulate itself?
In my utopian society there is no state and people cooperate because they think that's the right thing to do not because anyone or anything is forcing them to.

We are pretty far away from that society. And I don't think people will have reached that point where they trust each other enough to build a society around cooperation in my lifetime.
>Would it be a totalitarianism state or more oligarchical with election like China?
China currently is probably the country doing the most to improve the lives of its citizens.

>Would you have free movement of labor with other nation states?
My utopian society is not a nation in the traditional sense so it has no borders.

In the current world I don't think free movement of labor is sensible. Currently the free movement of labor is used keep wages down and make porky fatter.

>Would you participate in trade deals with other states? Or would you protect your market?
Both, but protecting the domestic is more important than expanding trade.

>>135438682
>>135439655

>Protect Market


(((Trade))) is what happens when one item is exchanged for another item of lesser value out of necessity or want. This is the inherent problem with the market, there is an element of speculation by which bankers and Jews can make a killing on artificially inflating prices of commodities and currency values.

So yes, the market would be protected from foreign speculators and it wouldn't be totalitarian in the sense that there is one Stalin-like figure dictating party policy, but rather the party as a whole makes decisions to increase the efficiency of the market to meet the needs and desires of the people (like a union)

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>>135440173
kek
Here's a personal favorite

>>135440018
>flag: meme ideology that was invented to make communism look less Jewish
Do some research

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Niekisch
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolay_Vasilyevich_Ustryalov
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Fran%C3%A7ois_Thiriart

>>135440209
thanks for answer.

You just have to wait for the world to turn fascist, then /pol will do a 180 to remain edgy and cool. Then this will be a communist board

>>135431849

Me and another sane person want to voluntarily trade goods and services.

How do you stop me without a state?

If someone is empowered to stop me, how is the society classless?

If the society isn't classless, how is it communist?

If citizens are allowed to voluntarily trade goods and services, how is it communism.

Tldr; communism doesn't even exist in theory, let alone reality.

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>>135440209
>cooperation
that's capitalism.

>trust each other enough to build a society around cooperation in my lifetime.
that would require ethnic homogeneity, you know, like the way humans evolved for the vast majority of history

>China currently is probably the country doing the most to improve the lives
yeah, capitalism really has worked for China. Good thing they abandoned that Marxist bullshit.

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>>135440328
nice one

>>135440333
yeah yeah ok buddy you're definitely not a commie /leftypol/ shill trying to make communism look less Jewish, sure, I believe you. kek

>>135438386
Haha. The mainstream leans left in >current year

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>Gomunism
>Works
I am preaty sure OP is just a retard who lives in first world nation and thinks gomunism works, i live in ex soviet country we are shit now and western euros like austrians laught at us, pic related Latvian gdp per capita before Gomunism.

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A communist economic system would be characterized by advanced productive technology that enables material abundance, which in turn would enable the free distribution of most or all economic output and the holding of the means of producing this output in common. In this respect communism is differentiated from socialism, which, out of economic necessity, restricts access to articles of consumption and services based on one's contribution.

>>135440790
/leftypol/ hates nationalists and even tankies

>>135433263

Doesn't work when you post pictures newfag

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>>135440873

>>135440221
Pretty sure that party is called the federal Reserve and world Bank.

>>135440395
>except for any and all culture that wee deem heretical in which case the culture belongs to the gulag
>seriously, you're not even allowed to complain or make jokes publicly
kek it makes me cringe how ignorant of the historical record commies have to be to post images like this

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>>135440968
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZ7cHBFuKCc

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>>135439848
>>135439993
>>135440106
>>135440173

>>135441032

In other words, the Republican party.

>>135440931
wow! something I supposedly agree with /leftypol/ on

fuck off kike. You're not fooling anyone.

>>135440979
First of all this has allmost nothing to dio with economic sistem, you can have degeneracy free capitalism as well, secound of all what is the point of not having degeneracy if you are poor?

>>135433583

>someone is offering me financing that I could never keep up with and will certainly ruin me
>what choice do I have? If I don't ruin my entire future I'll have to have a roommate for three more years!

Capitalism is not evil. Government control of capital IS (forcing banks to make bad loans)

Without the states intervention, the banks wouldn't even want to "prey" on these people.

They want money, not poorer people.

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>>135441160
???

it's all jew freemasonry

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>>135440699
>yeah, capitalism really has worked for China.
5year plans not communist?
Marxist-Leninist plattform not communist?
100 million people employed in State Owned Enterprises not communist?

>>135441039
5k-10k week lol that is much better then anything she could of gotten in Russian comunism while being a sciantist.

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>>135441368

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>16yo: If I spam every day people will start following my economically debunked utopian ideology :DDDD
Nope.

>>135441350
China isn't comunism anymore dumbass.100 million is only 10 % of population.

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>>135440614
>>135440773
>>135440979

>>135441427
I wasn't you wery well know that if she earns 10k a week that is much more then she would of receeven under USSR while working as leading sciantist.And i am not joking.

>>135441302

Trump IS wall street.

48 M is a drop in the bucket of what Trump owns.

You think because he owns his money that he doesn't have to "play ball" with the other big boys?

Old money respects old money or old money goes broke.

>>135439043

The Truth = ?

>>135441350
they have a commie government but you would have to be a retard to pretend China's economy isn't capitalist, much like Vietnam.

>100m employees for state owned enterprises
kek you realize that's a lower percent than the US right?

>>135441683
>Hillary got 4000x more donations from wall street than Trump did
>Trump is le ebil porky!1!1!!
top kek. You might want to think that one over chief

>>135441664
I know that working as a scientist in Russia = hell. But man that's fucked up.
>>135441702
... is that in case of a legit worker revolution all the modern """communists""" would get NKVD'd for being fucking bourgeois.

>>135437361
Hahaha, oh wow.

>I don't understand how voluntary transactions work

How exactly do you think the involuntary ones you propose work? (Hint: it requires a state pointing a gun, immediately dismissing the societies communist status by implementing classes)

>>135441039
>>135441368
>>135441427
Don't overlook this. This is concrete proof that they are all children. They never had a job in their entire lives; that's why they have no perspective on monetary amounts.
>those poor third world country whores earning ten thousand dollars a week to teach the pee pee of some deprived asian guys. Capitalism is so oppressive ;(
Internet commies are bellow 18 and have no real perspective at life. See: >>135441496

>>135441821
>>135441683
>old money
wait so is Trump a nouveau riche scammer asshole or is he le ebil porky?

>>135441633
Your an idiot buddy they regret becouse they all had jobes and and yes less degeneracy but that is not becouse of capitalism or comunism but rather becouse USSR was constantly hiding murders and any crime, and giving everyone a jobe dosen't work.

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>>135441720
>they have a commie government but you would have to be a retard to pretend China's economy isn't capitalist
I want a communist government.

China's economy is more socialist than anything Bernie Sanders talks about.

>>135440599
Eh they won't go progressive-libertarian. They sort of resurrect fringe thought, not just swing left and right.
They might go very primitive or even something contradictory like luddite calvinism (contradictory in the sense of discussing it online)

>>135441864
>But man that's fucked up.
But that is a reality and that is what gomunism emposes, while if she was working as sciantist in macau or singapore rather then slut she would of earned much more.

>>135440736
Yup grew really well.

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>>135431849
Communism suck but far less than capitalism.

>>135439582

Big fan of your work.

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>>135441683
dat intellectual juggling
>Trump IS wall street.
Trump is one successful real state developer among thousands, and real state is just one part of a free market.

>>135442004

>strawman

I never implied he was a scammer. This is why it's impossible to have an intelligent discussion with you fucks. You assume that everyone on the left is a hivemind..

Trump inherited money from his father and used his father's connections to multiply that money exponentially..

Do you think if Trump suddenly pulled his cash out of certain ventures that make money for a lot of powerful people that he would be okay because "MUH FREE MARKET"?

No. He has to play ball with the big boys just like shillary cunton.

Whatever they donated to Hillary is an expression of her political connections.. Everything Trump owns (his 1,000,000,000+ networth) is an expression of his economic connections which will expect favors while he is in office EXACTLY LIKE the people who donated to clinton.

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>>135442171
You don't even live here and don't realise why old people feel nostalgic about USSR, you live in first world nation and think that only becouse of old people feeling for the ''old days'' makes comunism good.In reality though you have no idea what you are talking about.

>>135442079
>You're* an idiot buddy they regret (regret doesn't make sense. the verb phrase 'want to return to communism' does) becouse they all had jobs* and yes less degeneracy but that is not becouse of capitalism or communism* but rather because* USSR was constantly hiding murders and any crime. ("and giving everyone a job dosen't work" doesn't make sense)

>>135442171
>bernie sanders talks about
actually the US exonomy is already more government-controlled (% of GDP) than China, and Bernie wants MORE.

>>135442171
Go move to one then.
Don't get much of a choice if you want to come back though.

>>135442420
>which will expect favors while he is in office EXACTLY LIKE the people who donated to clinton.
yeah LMAO Trump's real estate business is EXACTLY like the Clinton foundation. Right

>>135442335

>real estate is just one part of a free market

Market speculation is market speculation. They produce nothing of value except for the fund to hold onto assets until they liquidate them when there is an artificial need created by their hoarding of goods.

>>135442575
Thanks

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>>135442079
>Your an idiot buddy they regret becouse
>becouse
>>135441368
>5k-10k week lol that is much better then anything she could of gotten in Russian comunism while being a sciantist.
>Your an idiot buddy
>sciantist
Ok if you say so

>>135442815

Trump has his own foundation on top of his real estate ventures that come with their own controversies. Stop being so one dimensional.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_J._Trump_Foundation

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dr435wcXqko
Have you noticed how commies never talk about communism or try to explain it? But rather try to bring about communism by strawmanning and smearing capitalism? The reason for that, as Joseph T. Salerno points out, is that when commies tried to actually talk about their utopia fantasies, they all inadvertently ousted how batshit insane they were.

Basically, commies are so intellectually dishonest, they avoid talking about what they believe in as hard as they can. That is crucial for them; to never talk about communism, because otherwise they would get ousted as having infantile beliefs. In fact, they got damn good at being intellectually dishonest, one might argue they are the masters of intellectual dishonesty and weasel behavior. They destroyed entire countries with their aimless pursuits, they made 1/3 of the entire human race significantly poorer, we have over a billion mongoloids living in a country crippled by communist ideology. The kicker: all of that without ever establishing what a communist society should look like.

>>135443008

I can answer any questions you have about communism. Go ahead.

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>>135442575

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>>135442835
>Market speculation is market speculation. They produce nothing of value except for the fund to hold onto assets until they liquidate them when there is an artificial need created by their hoarding of goods.
t. economic illiterate/marxian "economist"

see>>135439779
and >>135438025
it's TRIVIAL to take the shit out of your religion.

also am I to assume you concede the points you didn't address here >>135440699 ?

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>>135442835
First off, speculation does produce value, and this is demonstrable, this is verifiable, we can just look at real world data about times when government purposely tried to cripple speculation and see what happens.

Second of all, you have strong opinions for something you know nothing of, maybe you should grow more self awareness.

>>135442983
yeah but there's never been proof (like with the Clinton's pay for play at the State dept) that Trump uses his organizations corruptly

>>135443174
>How do you know whether a good is worth its costs in a true communist society? How do you know how much to produce, how, where, when, and where to distribute it?

>How can I vote on the costs other people will have to incur? How is it practically possible, but more than that, how is it even moral?

I already had these discussions with brain dead teenagers like you a billion times, and I know all you'll do is make non-answers alluding that your system has immense knowledge and methods but you'll fail to actually demonstrate it and prove it. I know you'll bullshit me before you even do.

>>135443181
>corruption and party control and an inquisitorial court system are good!

>>135442953
Listen here you little shit i speak 5 languages not sure how many you can speak to talk shit about my grammar.
Also
>Lithuania
Comunist education
Secound of all the only thing you can do is press on my felling while posting that picture, in reality COMUNISM NOT CAPITALISM DID THIS POSSIBLE!This is foult of pricks like you that we are soo poor.
By the way our economy is growing RAPIDLY under capitalism and that article is a but to old now, in last 5 years sex tourism has gone down more then 70% becouse our wages have risen from average of 200 Euros to 1000 Euros a month, in 5 years now they aren't so cheap and people just go to shithole called moldova that has comunist for sex tourism.

>>135443174
I'll warn you, there aren't many arguments that reach them, he will mostly project his own shit onto you.

This guy>>135442000
Basically says here that he'd sell his ass for 10k/week to multiple clients.

>>135443261

>"Value"

Your determination of value is based upon a debt system. The more the working class become indebted to shareholders and banks the more "value" is added to your market.

This means that people work harder and see less of their paycheck, but hey! The market is growing! More cubicles are opening up to make more business owners more money!

They invest back into the market to keep their profits high and to keep you FUCKED.

>>135443642
to Moldova that has comunist goverment for sex tourism

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>>135443642
>to talk shit about my grammar.
It was spelling, not grammar

>>135443740
>This means that people work harder and see less of their paycheck, but hey! The market is growing! More cubicles are opening up to make more business owners more money!
Empirically false. See >>135433119 and>>135435148

>They invest back into the market to keep their profits high and to keep you FUCKED
lmao commies literally believe this. Do you believe venture capitalists are biologically pigs too?

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>>135443710
U8I/5f0c
Your memes are extremely low energy, just like your economic theories. You'll need to actually put effort in, which means not being a lazy commie.

Tough break senpai, we changed the culture to reject communism, it's too late.

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How's Venezuela doing???

>>135443740
>Value
speaking of which, let's all laugh at the debunked and retarded LTV everyone!

>labor is the only source of surplus value
is literally the theoretical basis for the utopian futurist BS these religious zealots are peddling

>>135443740
See I told ya it was pointless

>>135444133
>Do you believe venture capitalists are biologically pigs too?

Like wtf, how retarded can you be?

>>135444115
Look at this garbage.
he takes a small sliver of value transfer of which his statist religion disapproves, and pastes a pig in a top hat next to it.
Why is commie propaganda so lazy now? Really activates the old pineal gland don't it?

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>>135444232
You think we should work harder, right?

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>>135443740
As I said, you have a verifiable claim, and instead of trying to verify it, you think you can argue by gish galloping.

You won't change the mind of someone who gives a fuck about reality by bullshitting. You fucking idiot. In fact, your bullshit is cringy as fuck. I hope nobody in your family is an economist or finance person of sorts and has to hear your cringy Dunning Kruger rants on imaginary finance.

>>135444359
>how retarded can you be
did you even read my post? he was a comlunist, and that's well on the way

>>135443565

>How do you know whether a good is worth its costs in a true communist society? How do you know how much to produce, how, where, when, and where to distribute it?

>Cost

There is no cost, you are still thinking in a capitalistic mindset that equates to a merchant trying to sell you something at a markup.

The "cost" to create an item is it's resources (and the time to extract these resources from the Earth) and the time to assemble these resources into the end product.

>How can I vote on the costs other people will have to incur? How is it practically possible, but more than that, how is it even moral?

Union consensus. It's moral to distribute the product evenly to the producers of the product regardless of the role they have in producing it. If their time and labor value is needed for the product to be created, they will receive their share.

Now a question for you..

How is it moral to pay a worker a fraction of what his labor creates for you? I understand that the business owner assumes "risk" and that he paid for your tools, but that doesn't account for the fact that a union could easily receive the resources to create such an environment quickly in a communist system.

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>>135444232
>>135444362

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>>135444115
As i said woman would of not been prostetutes if not for comunism that made us so poor, also that article is outdates, we are geting realy close to western standarts now thanks to Capitalism and now look at Litle USSR called moldova many years since independance and still one of garbage cans of Europe.

>>135444359

It's sad that they are this entrenched in capitalist ideology..

They believe that usurious debt adds value to a market.

The debt forces the labor of workers which adds value. They don't understand that without the labor, the debt is meaningless.

>>135444503
>How is it moral to pay a worker a fraction of what his labor creates for you?
because money is limited and only the most productive ventures should be funded. More than that, as a worker you are using the capital of other people, and you're getting paid for it.

>muh LTV
literally asserts that labor is the only source of surplus values. Well here's a one word debunking of all of Marxian economics: machines.

>>135444497
>did you even read my post? he was a comlunist, and that's well on the way
How the fuck did you reach the idea that he thinks venture capitalists are biologically pigs?

Sorry asking a question like
>Do you believe venture capitalists are biologically pigs too?
Is fucking retarded, maybe you can't see why it's retarded, but it actually is retarded.

>>135443710
>Basically says here that he'd sell his ass for 10k/week to multiple clients.
Buahhh, poor whore, earning only the salary of a first world country university graduate by sitting on dick, so oppressive! We need to end capitalism now!

How many men do you think would fuck a woman per day to double, possibly triple, their income? That's why you can't really work as a straight male prostitute, the supply is just too high and anyone would do it.

>>135444133

>lmao commies literally believe this

As do capitalists, you retard.

Why on earth would a shareholder invest in a venture that is not profitable?

How can a business be profitable if they are paying the worker the exact value of his labor?

PRO-TIP. It can't.

Once again, you think that your value is determined by your wage.

In communism, it is determined by what you produce.

>>135444714
>it's sad
that you can't even reply to my posts when I BTfO you. At least post an ironic meme or something to save face, jeez

>usurious
I would be fine with a maximum interest rate. That being said finance capitalism is the fastest-growing, most prospering economic system ever.

>>135444714
Imagine how it'll blow their minds once they realize that debt for one person/organization are assets for another person/organization.

>>135444362

It must be the Ganja

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>>135444503
>costs don't exist
>therefore
>a communist economy will be able to take as much costs as they want
>action and consequence is a capitalist mindset
mfw

So, basically, your main argument is how ignorant and delusional you are, where you think costs are a capitalist invention. You are too idiotic to know how idiotic you are. You are on a level of ignorance that is too problematic to be reasoned with.

>>135444964
>>135444853
lmao you can't even respond to my points and just go for the low hanging fruit (banter) and pretend that's adequate defense of your religion.

>>135444984
ever heard of the money multiplier or a successful capitalist-funded venture? The debt is worth the future increase in productivity and earnings.

>>135444766

>As a worker you are using the capital of other people, and you're getting paid for it

In the same way that a serf works the fields for his feudal lord. Eventually, people got sick of the bourgeoisie and took him out of the equation.

Look at Cuba's land reform. Land was given to farmers at no charge (provided they meet the production demands showing they are capable) and it's economy flourished. People had food to eat almost immediately.

Machines have to be created.

If 10 people all put in 100 hours to create a machine, they should all be entitled to 1/10 of what the machine produces assuming they all play a role in maintaining the machine.

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Thread theme

>>135444884
>How many men do you think would fuck a woman per day to double
The story was never about getting paid to give dick, it was about getting paid to take dick. Which according to you is one of the great aspects of capitalism.

>>135445218

I just explained to you how "cost" works in reality, not in the artificial construct of a market.

Why don't you tell me how I am wrong instead of posting a reaction image, you low IQ piece of human trash

>>135444503
Furthermore, let's wind back a little, and see the post you tried to disprove.

I explained to you how commies can never explain anything about communism, and you essentially proved me by dodging an economical explanation of communism by claiming cost itself doesn't exist. Can you imagine an entire country governed by people as delusional and ignorant as you? Maybe now you'll understand why your insane ideology murdered millions.

>>135445700

Your definition of cost does not exist in communism.

See my definition. That's how it exists.

>>135445436
>Cuba's land reform
yeah it's not that hard to feed yourselves with modern (or even mid 20th century) technology, especially not with Cuba's climate and geology. I haven't looked at the data but I guarantee you Cuban farmers are less productive than, say, DR farmers.

>people should be permanent owners of capital they create
yeah that's retarded. Trade is the sorce of almost ALL economic surplus.

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>The only comunist contribution

>>135445606
your argument sucked and you didn't fulfill the burden of proof on your ludicrous claims. It's not anyone's job to prove you're wrong if it's assumed.

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>>135445606
No point in getting worked up. They can't help themselves, they'll argue past you for the whole argument, once you notice they start talking past you it's better to just make or post memes than to try to deal with their autism.

>>135445606
No, you invented a fake definition of cost and claimed real cost doesn't exist.

>Le cost are physical materials and time!
No they are not. Cost is the opportunities we lose by taking an action. It is what we all help measure on a daily basis as we make our economic decisions.

Wealth is human fulfillment, not materials. Look at Japan, a group of Islands with so little material resources, literally no iron ore, no copper, thus no steel, they had to adapt their entire architecture and engineering to that, yet, they are a wealthy nation. Because they fulfill human requests more efficiently, because people there know the real costs that workers take, and are not batshit insane communists trying to abolish the actual meaning of cost.

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Comunists can't into frends :(

>>135444714

you're meaningless.

quick redpill on communism:
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>>135446087
>Implaying same would of not happened under comunism
You are delusional.

>>135445843

Even farmers in the United States are operating on a socialist model because they KNOW it's superior.

Yes they produce more but that is because they have access to better technology and fertilizers/pesticides.

>trade is the source of almost ALL economic surplus

No, that would be production. Trade exists out of necessity or want. People prey on this and profit off of the willingness of others to overpay for an item that they need or want that they otherwise would not need to overpay for in a just system/market.

>>135446063
Looks like they turned it into a dayz map

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>>135446087
>if people point out how much of an idiot you are that means they are arguing past you, just ignore reasoning and make memes against capitalism and don't think about communism
Woah, what an intellectual bulwark commies got there.

>>135446087
>trying to win an argument by using the special snowflake definitions from your debunked 19th century school of "economics"
top kek.

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>>135446294
Commies destroyed around 40% of our old buildings, we have some left but the amount of Historical buildings destroyed is anourmous many where turned into commie blocks.

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>>135446087

You're right, memes are where they get all their information from so that's probably a more effective means of argumentation.

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>>135446489
Funny how y'all getting assblasted over porky memes and fundamental truths of board culture

>>135446275
>expecting me to believe the debunked and retarded LTV
labor isn't the only source of surplus. Machines are, and so are subjective opinions.

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>>135431849

Kill yourself, scum. Communism is for white kids who have never faced any hardship in their life. Communism only works on paper.

>>135446575
Proabably 80% of them are niggs

>>135446738

Machines do work. have you ever taken a physics class?

Do they have the same rights as humans? No. Does that change the fact that they do work? No.

>>135446706
>because of porky investments by Westerncapitalist nations

uhhh good porky meme, I guess...

>>135446706
And China is free market and follows 0 points of marxism or maoism.

>>135446804
THIS
Eesti knows what he is talking about.

>>135442282
The US is still killing as of today, stop with that braindead cunt fuckfaggot 100 million meme.

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>>135446575
Hilarious how there was an essay from 2 days ago addressing this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dr435wcXqko
>commies realized how delusional they are about communism so they limit themselves to only smearing and subverting individualist ideas
Also, the "no true socialism" bullshit is as old as socialism itself. Marx himself utilized that in way, he rejected literally every socialist thinker before him and claimed trying to plan real socialism was unscientific.

>>135446706
So fucking what?Electric cars will be product of market capitalism not gomunism.

>>135446275
>Even farmers in the United States are operating on a socialist model because they KNOW it's superior.
feel free to provide a source

>Trade exists out of necessity or want. People prey on this and profit off of the willingness of others to overpay for an item that they need or want that they otherwise would not need to overpay for in a just system/market.
>subjective value doesn't exist
>commodities have objective value that is their labor cost even though labor costs are also subjective in the same way

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>>135446830
well then i'm glad you disagree with Marx on at least SOMEthing.

>>135447072

>What is the department of Agriculture
>What are government grants
>What are farmland development projects

Most of what you praise the modern world for is accomplished through the state, not the free market.

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>>135446706
>entire ideology is about hating a free society, and not about itself.
>there's was never a single explanation to what "seizing the means of production" actually means in 100 years of communist movements.
>literally told other communist to give up arguing and just spam in this very thread
"y-yyall getting assblasted over my cherrypicked headlines."

>>135447104
Your an idiot...................i am an atheist myself by the way.