Who do you look to for political guidance and theory? Who do

Evelyn waugh

>>135405535
> Hitler
> Right wing
> Come on now

>>135405801
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Nazi_Germany

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>>135405535
>Hitler
>right
my sides, little chink. my sides.

Reminder that the libertarian left is a paradox.

>>135405859
>National Socialism
>SOCIALISM
eat puke, chink

Hitler was an authoritarian socialist, you idiot. He was at the top of the red square.

>>135405535
I thought hitler was right on the line

>>135405966
>Privatization of business
>Economic hierarchy
>Not right-wing
>>135406065
Not even a controversial opinion. Hitler's definition of socialism had little to do with economics. I thought /pol/ already knew this.

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I identify with THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. I oppose TRAITORS. Meanwhile /ptg/ wanks itself over Hitler. Your forefathers would spit on you.

Thatcher.

>>135406113
>>135406130
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives

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>>135405535

>>135406249
Also this

Based Thatcher did nothing wrong

Fuck the children's milk

>>135405801
>bernie in the center

>>135406397
The only socialist things he wants are universal healthcare and college, which are already the standard in most of the West. So when you compare him to average European politicians, he's not left of them. Even though he wants to raise the minimum wage, he endorses wage labor itself, which actual socialists want to abolish. Bernie's "socialist" policies don't come from reading Marx, they come from wanting to copycat Nordic countries (without understanding the importance of demographics)

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>>135405535
>Marx
>Libertarian Left

>>135405535
Smith//Jefferson//Adams.

Combined they're right between Locke and Dr.Paul.

>>135405535
>hitler being right
>marx being libertarian
>sanders being within 700 pixels of center.
yeah no.

>>135406766
>Abolition of the state
That's the definition of anarchism, anon.
>But when applied--
Yes. That's why Lenin, Stalin, etc are higher. Because they took Marxist ideas and added a "party" that became a powerful state. Marx advocated not for a state or party, but nebulous "class consciousness," meaning everyone collectively should decide communism is good without using the state or figureheads. Obviously that's impossible, which is why Marxism-Leninism was created.

>>135406395
Fuck free school meals fuck free Milk.
I payed for my break-time milk It was cheap as and was a good drink, the kids that did not want/did not pay for the milk were not dying or any worse off due to no milk.


If you cannot pay for your childs lunch then you do not deserve children.


90% of "poor" people are just shit at managing money, I know a "poor" family that get free school lunches, they have a big flatscreen tv, they have the newest iphones and they have nice expensive boots. and yet they cannot afford a sandwich and a yogurt, worst case buy a ton of rice and cheap and hearty foods and give them some rice and bits of meat for lunch.


Fuck the "Poor" if the "poor" were forced off of benefits like free meals they would be forced to actually learn to budget and those who are genuinely poor we could actually aid, not to just give them free things but to help make them self sustainable

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>>135406065
>>135405859

Right vs Left is a dichotomy that's been incredibly distorted and rendered meaningless.
In the original sense of the terms, it referred to hierarchy vs equality. It's not about "free markets" and thing such as this. Free markets are merely on the right because a free market allows a hierarchy to naturally form. Meanwhile, marxism is on the left, because marxism is all about destroying disparities and making us all "equal", like some borg collective.

Fascism, despite being collectivist and using social programs, is NOT left-wing. It is still right-wing, because fascism is all about embracing the natural hierarchy

>>135406244
Meme flag aside, this guy is right. Where would brother Anderson fall on this graph?

>>135406138
Most of /pol/ does know this. You just have some lolberg holdovers who see "individual liberty" as an axiom and end unto itself, rather than just a pragmatic tool toward a functional society.

>>135406244
Fascists are a joke.

>>135407268
This is true. This is how Wikipedia begins describing right-wing:
>Right-wing politics hold that certain social orders and hierarchies are inevitable, natural, normal, or desirable
Hitler literally did not give a fuck about economic theory. Everything revolved around the preservation of his race. He just structured economics how he saw fit, which happened to be keeping private property, wage labor, and businesses.

>>135405535
>Thatcher, Bannon and Bush are Castro-tier authoritarian?

Since when Thatcher, Bannon or Bush established concentration camps for faggots, banned all free speech, established only 1 state-run paper etc? What retarded person made this chart?

>>135407190
this is true
here in western europe the only poor people are those who are in debt because they didn't know how to use money.
the others all have enough. a simple job can pay everything for you. and otherwise you have welfare

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>>135406244
>your forefathers
Fuck em

>>135407732
Precisely. Economics are merely a means to an end. I'm okay with whatever works to make my people prosper. For example, I do not support universal healthcare in America, because it just gets abused by niggers and spics, and I do not want to subsidize them. But I'd be perfectly okay with modest safety nets and universal healthcare in a homogeneous white society.

The people who focus on economics make the mistake of sticking to economic philosophies as moral axioms that they must adhere to like scripture. For example, you'll have the libertarians who refuse to address the lack of morality-enforcement in a libertarian society that let's anyone do anything, so long as it doesn't harm others. Fuck that; I don't want faggots and trannies in my society.

>>135406138
>1939
>business subordinated to the state
>regulation of production
>regulation of taxes
>regulation of capital investment
>regulation of consumption
>regulation of labor supply
>price & tariff policies
>subsidies by the state
>4 year plans, planned economy

No, not socialist at all. ^^

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>>135405535
Pinochet New World Order now.

>>135408081
>all socialism is marxism

>>135408131
I concur.

You only need to read 4 books to better you in politics.
On War - Carl von Clausewitz
The Prince - Machiavelli
Anything about Adam Smith
The road to serfdom - Hayek

>>135408131
Yeah, it is. Socialism is about state-run economy. State-run economy is inherently left-wing, no amount of "non-whites must die" will make it right-wing.

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>>135405966
This guy doesn't understand Nazi socialism...

Get a book or like at least Google 'the difference between socialism and Nazi socialism' and you'll very quickly see how retarded you are

>>135407850
Government surveillance, war on drugs, implementation of torture, opposition to sexual freedom and abortion, etc.

Bush was known for all authoritarian things. He literally wanted to amend the constitution to ban gay marriage.

The No Child Left Behind Act also federally mandated schools rather than leaving it to states.

Castro's restriction of freedom was primarily economic freedom, which is only related to left and right on this graph.

>>135408342
This is true. The one pill the NatSoc just cant take, he is secretly a commie.

>>135405535
A mix of Bannon, Pinochet, Stirner, and a tad of adolf

>>135408342
>State-run economy is inherently left-wing
No, see >>135407268

>>135408573
If you're picking all the meme ones why leave out Hoppe?

>>135408416
>Castro's restriction of freedom was primarily economic freedom
>concentration camps for gays
>concentration camps for anyone who doesn't support socialism/Castro's regime
>state-run news and newspapers, everything else is outlawed
>death squads knocking on the door of anyone who doesn't like socialism
?????

Yeah, as authoritarian, as Bush. Remember all those concentration camps Bush established to those who didn't like Republican Party? Or how faggots were executed? Yeah, I don't remember too.

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>>135405801
>>135405859
>>135405966
>>135406065
>>135406130
>>135406761
>>135406970


HOLY FUCK

I had no idea pol had become this bad... Guys (not all of you but most) please take the time to understand the difference between Nazi socialism and socialism.. you can't actually be serious that you haven't checked this out??? This absolutely blows my mind..

It takes 10 seconds on Google to find the differences and to see that they weren't at all 'socialist' in the common, popularist form.. you guys make me seriously worried for the future of pol

>>135405535
>FDR wasn't an authoritarian tyrant
what sort of wombat shit is this?

>>135408789
They are anglos, most of them have the political understanding of a 6-year-old.

>>135408682
What should I see there? A guy trying to redefine what's left-wing so it would align with his worldview? Sorry, left/right is ECONOMICALLY only, all others definitions make Stalin and Mao right-wing as fuck, because there were hierarchies and social conservatism under them too.

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"socialism"
It wasn't what you would call socialism

>>135408895
I concede this one, FDR should be higher because of internment camps. My mistake.

Pinochet did nothing wrong.

>>135409059
No, retard. You're the one redefining left and right.

>>135405535
None of it, Democracy and Politics are retarded.

ACCORDING to the graph, I'm halfway between Ghandi and Locke, sitting right on the centrist borderline.

>>135409295
I guess Stalin and Mao were far-right then, you fucking mongoloid.

>>135409059
Fascism is widely considered right-wing despite its economic controls (over a capitalist economy).

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>>135405535

>>135405535
I'm closest to Paul...Rand or Ron?

>>135409449
Because fascism is still capitalistic. Nazis on the other hand outright banned any small and medium business, because "muh capitalistic upreshun". There is a fucking difference.

>>135406397
>>135406970
you children do know that the "Sanders is socialist" meme just exists because the US is very right-leaning, right? In most other countries his policies would be considered centre-left at most.

>>135409631
>Hitler took a pragmatic position between the conservative and radical factions of the Nazi Party, accepting private property and allowing capitalist private enterprises to exist so long as they adhered to the goals of the Nazi state.
>The Nazis claimed that communism was dangerous to the well-being of nations because of its intention to dissolve private property, its support of class conflict, its aggression against the middle class, its hostility towards small business, and its atheism.
>Nazism rejected class conflict-based socialism and economic egalitarianism, favouring instead a stratified economy with social classes based on merit and talent, retaining private property, and the creation of national solidarity that transcends class distinction.
>Hitler was uncomfortable with Röhm's outspoken support for a "second revolution" to redistribute wealth (in Röhm's view, President Hindenburg's appointing of Hitler as German Chancellor on January 30, 1933 had accomplished the "nationalistic" revolution but had left unfulfilled the "socialistic" motive in National Socialism).
>Many stormtroopers believed in the socialist promise of National Socialism and expected the Nazi regime to take more radical economic action, such as breaking up the vast landed estates of the aristocracy. When the Nazi regime did not take such steps, those who had expected an economic as well as a political revolution were disillusioned.

>>135408954
Although the British have the 1st or 2nd highest rate of actually using their country flag. Hmmmm

>>135408406
so you're saying it wasn't real socialism? xD
please stand ready for your free copter ride

>>135409986
>big business wast taxed at 90%
>small and medium business were outlawed because "muh capitalistic opreshun"
>state-run everything

I mean, if you are that desperate, even in Soviet Union 20% of economy existed in Black Market. Combining this with the fact that there were hierarchies and social conservatism, we can conclude that Soviet Union was far-right?

>>135408081
>be non-socialist adolf
>what's that? 4 companies making tires?
>THE STATE MUST STEP IN TO ELIMINATE 3 COMPANIES BECAUSE 4 COMPANIES MAKING THE SAME PRODUCT IS INEFFICIENT
yeah, not socialist at all. fucking swastika-commies are retarded xD

>>135410273
Now you're making shit up.

>>135408789
>the difference between Nazi socialism and socialism
ahahaha

>>135409631
burger education at its highest level.

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Hitler

>>135407268
>Fascism, despite being collectivist and using social programs, is NOT left-wing
lol, he unironically believes this

>>135410441
What I have made up?

Ghandi was not left libertarian at all he was authoritative

>>135405535
>hitler
>right wing
You do know he was a socialist, right?

>>135409905
so sanders would be considered "center" in socialist countries? no way!

>>135410441
oh he is.

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>>135405535
BASED Bevan

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>>135410441
nice argument(not an argument)

>>135405535
>Who do you look to for political guidance and theory?
My ancestors
>Who do you identify with?
please see first answer

Why are all these ancaps suddenly getting mass triggered over Hitler being placed one square further right than the official placement of politicalcompass.com?

>Banned labor unions, the lifeblood of leftism and socialism in his time
>Sought to destroy communism
>Bolstered the power of corporations
He was a Corporatist. Right-leaning, but didn't support the free market or true individualism. Somewhat centrist, but heavily reliant on hierarchy and capitalism.

>>135411000
>Bolstered the power of corporations
>corporations were to pay 90% tax and obey the NSDAP commands or else the CEO was jailed and a member of NSDAP were to become new CEO

Yeah, wow, right-wing as fuck.

>>135409497
Stoner Cunt.
I like me the sound of that.

>>135411000
>>Banned labor unions, the lifeblood of leftism and socialism in his time
replaced by one huge union
>>Sought to destroy communism
by replacing it with his own kind of national communism
>>Bolstered the power of corporations
state-near/owned corporations

you chinks are just mental midgets when it comes to anything but working in a factory line

>>135410557
Well, he's right. Can you explain how fascism is left-wing?
Left and Right is pretty simple, it really comes down to those who supported the revolution and those who supported the monarchy, at least in the original use of the terms. This means progress against tradition.
And I think an argument can be made that all forms of modern government are economically left-wing - it is, after all, about progress. So the question is then, what is it that prevents runaway progress of the economy undermining all traditional aspects of the culture?

I think this is a good way of differentiating between fascism, democracy, and communism. Capitalism is really just a secular religion of economics, and the modern political ideology employ it in their own way.

>>135411360

just look here >>135408081

>>135411202
>Britain immediately put their economy on a war footing, Germany resisted equivalent measures until later in the war.
>The top personal income tax rate in 1941 was 13.7% in Germany, as opposed to 23.7% in Great Britain.
Since he was funding a massive war, he increased corporate taxes but not income taxes.
>>135411306
>replaced by one huge union
Do you know what a labor union is?
>by replacing it with his own kind of national communism
Do you know what communism is?
>state-near/owned corporations
No.

>>135405535
all except for the bottom right is centralized which is an idea that comes from the mind of a simpleton. Until you can create an AI grid that extracts information from everything and can see patterns in everything like god, you can't centralize shit. It's for people that are too stupid to understand the basic principle of non-linearity. To be honest, it kind of means you're retarded. It's one of the the most basic principles of reality

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>tfw radical centrist

https://www.politicalcompass.org/images/axeswithnames.gif

Does this trigger you guys too, or are you really just upset at the one square difference?

closest to Pinochet.

>>135408338
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>>135405535
>mfw same spot as Macron

>>135411938
You imply you're surprised that detracking from the topic happens on 4chan.

Ron Paul

WWRPD

>>135406065
newfag alert

>>135408789
newfags gonna be newfags. you don't deserve to be on pol if you don't know the difference between socialism and national socialism

>>135406043
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxPUvQZ3rcQ

>>135406065
>Democratic People's Republic of Korea
>Democratic

eat shit, bootlicker

>>135405535

probably Locke on economic issues, but much more authoritarian and traditionalist on immigration and culture.

>>135405535
I don't think any modern politician has any right to be under the authoritarian line.

>>135408081
Socialism != Government doing shit

How many times does it need to be repeated to autistic shitheads like you?

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>>135405535
>Who do you look to for political guidance
pick related

>>135411429
Yes, but the important question is: regulated for what purpose? Their idea was to strengthen the nation, restore the traditional strength of workers within an industrialist landscape, and set up something like a mercantilist-militarist economy. This is within a geopolitical situation where the world was forcing them into isolation. The end goals were a traditionalist citizenry all mobilised as state forces and the revitalisation of authoritarianism as the people's will.

Contrast this with the functioning of communism. State representatives literally saw themselves as functionary proletarians, as one with the workers. They regulated industry because they wanted to prevent the contradictions of capitalism and create a worker's paradise. It is essentially authoritarianism from below, the inverse of fascism.

Capitalism, on the other hand, seeks the dissolution of all state power into private interests. There is literally no other purpose than runaway progress of the economy, and this is due to the unimaginable growth (of the state, ironically) occurring during the peak of civilisation. Democracy and capitalism develop because the state grew beyond what a centralised government could manage and ideology must be dispersed as new mechanisms of the state. It is more an automatic process and adaptation to a newly erupting environment than values or political philosophy.

It is not an accident that people took up the ideas of individualism precisely at the same moment when the state had become absolute. People saw no choice, so they chose to become state agents and organise their personal property as if they were bureaucrats. This was seen as good for them and the state, and is the very core of capitalist ideology (Smith). Part of the reason for the fierce rejection of communism and fascism is the fear that individuals will lose their positions as functionaries of the state, but these people do not realise that there were once other forms of 'private interest'.

>>135406065
>socialism is bad
This is what the eternal snake wants you to believe

>>135414501
regulated so they can control them?
because they were totalitarian and didnt want people having freedom?
im not saying thats a bad thing but nazi germany only stayed afloat because everyone was assigned work for the war effort and people joined the war at 16
the economy would have collapsed instantly at the end of the war

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>Who do you identify with?

Is that even a question you stupid weeb?

>>135408080
You sound like a racist

>>135410460
He literally said National Socialism Socialism hahaha what a retard