socialized healthcare death panels are a right wing conspir-

Wasn't it literally braindead?

>>135398701
> -acy
Without euthanasia of socialized healthcare the parents or the country will be balls deep in debt

>>135398801
No, just having iq of about 50

>>135398701
how much $$ did his parent make, like 3 or 4 million in fundraising that was never spent?

>>135398904
rubbish, the brain damage mitochondrial depletion causes means the brain couldn't process breathing or auditory senses. Thinking about "thinking" is pulling the cart before the horse. He didn't even have basic brain function, let alone consciousness.

Babies are SHIT.

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>>135398701
Without googling, what was the name of the condition Charlie Gard had?

>>135398801
He barely had a brain at this point. Unless there is magic spell that can literally re-grow dead brain cells, the child was already dead.

no fucking shit, he died? what a huge unexpected surprise

>>135398701
Ruled to die by a panel of judges with no medical training.

>>135399071
>Unless there is magic spell that can literally re-grow dead brain cells

stem cells

>>135398801
Yes. The child had no chance of anything approaching a life. It was a vegetable being kept alive by machines and anything else was nothing more than the family's false hope and delusion.

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>My name is Dr Schlomo Goldbergenstein, for the small price of $2,000,000 I can save your child's life

>>135398701
I personally would have just shut down th kids life support, but it was the familys choice. The government should have no say.

>>135399183
Happens in the US too.

>>135399276
Fleecing money out of parents of sick children is especially scummy.

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Once again, you asshats can't see the woods for the trees.

Okay, I want you to think hard here. I know it's difficult, but try.
Okay, precedent is now set. The UK government has legally terminated a non-criminal life against the will of its caretakers.

Whatever you might think about the defective thing, realize the PRECEDENT IS SET.
In the UK who we all know has lately had the utmost respect for human life and the lives of its citizens by importing muslim savages to blow the place to kingdom come. Part and Parcel, you know.

Now I want you to run a simulation in your head. Where do you think this now legally-set precedent is going to lead, especially as MUSLIMS take over positions of government in the UK?

Think hard.

>>135399268
if that is true, why didn't they let the child go home to die? A hospice is for palliative care.

Their death panel didn't even make any sense.

>>135399183
>Ruled to die by a panel of judges with no medical training.
Judges who had expert advice from medical experts, who virtually unanimously supported the decision they took.

Leading doctors unchecked to make decisions are dangerous. The judiciary does have a role to play. In this case, they (rightfully) sided with the doctors

This kid was a drain on the NHS and the plug should have been pulled immediately when it was clear there was no viable option of recovery.

>>135399071

And the state shouldn't decide who lives and dies? They had the money, they had a doctor in the US that said there might be a chance, why could the state and 8 doctors stop the parents from trying a last ditch effort to try something?

Because the state wants to have absolute authority over life and death.

It's disgraceful.

>>135399527
Their house couldn't fit in the equipment.

>doesn't make any sense
Yeah, because you've not taken more than a second to think about it.

>could be using those machines to actually save lives but can't because the parents want to keep a vegetable alive
The kid was brain dead and nothing could've brought him back. Does it suck? Yeah but the parents were being selfish assholes.

>>135399515

The UK government did as much in this scenario as Charlie Gard did, which is literally nothing.

We actually have private healthcare in the UK in case you forgot?

You forgot, right?

Said parents didn't use private healthcare and wanted to sponge off taxpayers, they were told to fuck off.

It's quite simple really.

>>135399515
That's not how precedent works at all.

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>>135399639
>And the state shouldn't decide who lives and dies?
It absolutely should!

>>135399673
>Their house couldn't fit in the equipment.
This. Not to mention, they don't have a right to use NHS equipment indefinitely free of charge. It is needed by other kids. It was clear he was brain dead, thus the plug should have been pulled even /if/ it could fit in the house.

>>135399527

They wanted expensive equipment loaned out to them (at our expense) to keep a vegetable alive for a few more meaningless days.

Qualified doctors and judges said "no"

>>135399639

The parents wanted the NHS to pay, don't be retarded.

>>135398701
This is funny. Recently a show was added to Netflix here in the US that is a BBC show called "Embarrassing Bodies". The show featured some specialist roaming the country in a van/studio and getting people to have embarrassing conditions checked out. the most shocking thing aside from some of the disgusting conditions was the fact that near ALL of the brits involved had been to a GP before the show. The quality of care was so bad they just told people "oh well" generally and these people were so desperate for help that they would go on tv and have hemorrhoids removed because its the only way they could get help. No thanks socialized medicine.

>>135399071
Hasn't there been a doctor in the news recently who has developed a technique for literally regrow ingredients brain cells? People were joking about it causing zombies. Sure, there would be no memories, but it's a fucking baby. It didn't have any memories yet anyway.

>>135399741

>
Said parents didn't use private healthcare and wanted to sponge off taxpayers, they were told to fuck off

Except they raised several million and tried to take the child to the US, with their own money, and the hospital refused to let him leave.

It actually took the parents to court for the right to kill their son by withdrawing treatment against the wishes of their parents.

And the court allowed it.

>>135399527
>Their death panel didn't even make any sense.
It didn't, they would know this if they allowed the case, they kept insisting the child was brain dead yet also insisted it was in pain.

>>135399741
>Said parents didn't use private healthcare and wanted to sponge off taxpayers
>>135399861
>The parents wanted the NHS to pay
They wanted to move him to a different hospital out of the country and privately pay for the entire treatment, at least pay attention you stupid motherfucker.

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>>135399741
>panel of judges
>private
Uh huh. Sure.
But hey, don't listen to me you fuckwit. When Dr.Hajib is telling Judge Al-Falwari in ten years to let your native sons die because "they're a drain on the system with their flu and labored breathing", don't complain. You literally welcomed it. And you don't even see it because 10-20 years down the road is too far for your tiny ant brain to comprehend.

You fucking people. I swear to God. OH, DID I SAY GOD?! I meant G_d. Sorry to offend.
You're your own worst goddamn enemy.

should've died months ago. Liquid brain, the parents will just have another one.

>>135399914

Stop reading the Daily Mail or Breitbart or whatever retarded sensationalist rag you think passes for journalism.

The parents would have used NHS equipment and funding for transport and keeping him alive in transport.

They would have spent my money transporting a clump of cells for Schlomo Bergstein's expensive Snake Oil treatment.

Qualified Doctors said "can you actually fuck off t b h"

It is not hard.

>>135399903
>The quality of care was so bad they just told people "oh well" generally and these people were so desperate for help that they would go on tv and have hemorrhoids removed because its the only way they could get help

It had nothing to do with the fact they had not sought help from a GP. It was that the self-consciousness meant that they did not do anything about it, because they thought they were wasting their doctor's time, etc.

On comes a show that encourages people to be forthright about "odd" and trivial conditions, and it just so happens these people reveal them.

For every 1 that gets filmed, many more go to that truck clinic and asked not to be.

Better than your fucked up system of demanding people pay to receive basic care. I doubt these conditions like hemorrhoids are even treated in your pathetic nation because of the ridiculously high price of healthcare.

Cuck.

The worst part is that they would have done anything possible to save a non-white child in the same situation.

It wasn't a human

>>135400097
>The parents would have used NHS equipment and funding for transport and keeping him alive in transport.
Actually they received offers from a Catholic hospital to transport him.

F

>>135400097
Classic brit bending over to get assfucked by muh authority figures

If the UK was a private system the little imp would've died months ago.

>>135399639
>still believing the burgerkike doc
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4730974/US-doctor-offered-help-Charlie-Gard-speaks-out.html

Dr Hirano said today: 'I became involved in Charlie's case when I was contacted by his parents, and I subsequently agreed to speak with his doctors to discuss whether an experimental therapy being developed in my lab could provide meaningful clinical improvement in Charlie's condition.
'Unfortunately, a MRI scan of Charlie's muscle tissue conducted in the past week has revealed that it is very unlikely that he would benefit from this treatment.'

>>135400124

They literally said they had been to a GP. What the fuck are you arguing about? There were a few that didn't like the lady who was manually opening her own asshole with her hand but for the most part the people had sought previous treatment.

>>135399183
>who is terry schiavo

>>135399861

>The parents wanted the NHS to pay, don't be retarded.

That's an absolute lie. They raised over a million and were willing to pay out of their own pocket.

>At the end of January 2017, the parents launched an appeal on a crowdfunding website GoFundMe, seeking £1.2million to finance experimental treatment in the US. Just over two months later, their target was achieved.[25] By the end of April, before the appeal had run for three months, the total amount donated exceeded £1.3 million.[26]

So once again, they were willing to pay and take the choice away from the government, and the government wouldn't let them.

Why does the wishes of the government trump the wishes of the parents, especially when doctors in the US said there was a 10% chance it like help.

>>135398701
>socialized healthcare death panels are a right wing conspir-

They are.

>>135399996

They could have used private healthcare

They didn't.

End of story

Finished

Fin.

They didn't use private services and their """"child"""" was a literal non-entity, a pile of genetic waste disguised as a human.

They wanted to take my money to revive him with chakra crystals or whatever bullshit.

Some of the most qualified doctors in the world said it was a pointless endeavour and some judges came to the conclusion they can sit this one out and just let the doctors decision hold.

It's that simple. There's no muslims here you fucking mentalist.

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>>135399276
he was a gook not a jew

>>135400222

Are you americans so cucked you don't even trust Doctors?

I don't suppose you would seeing as they charge you 10s of thousands of dollars for treatment that costs pennies here LMAO.

>>135399996
wow you're such a fucking drama queen

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,,,
Daily reminder stop using kek

KEK was a kike plant

The God KEK was the Egyptian God of Chaos, The Mason/Illuminati motto is Order From Chaos

The song Shadilay and band PEPE with a magical frog on the album, and the fact that kikes own all the media and music labels
is no coincidence. The Shadilay song has the frog, magic and the word Jubal on the record label which appears in the old testament.
Genesis 4:21:And his brother's name was Jubal; he was the father of all such as handle the harp and pipe

KEK is idol worship and occult period. There is no argument against this except by shills. The term "God Emperor Trump" was coined by them and is what is called apotheosis and is occult. I am a Buddhist so all of this is rather stupid to me but it doesn't change the fact that they believe in the occult and it's purpose which is to mock and draw people away from Christianty. Kek is sac religous idol worship if you are a Christian.

This is Biblical scripture:

Revelation 16:12-17—And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared. And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon. And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

The kikes are trying to lead the right under controlled op into occultism/race war

>>135400382
>Gook doc bypassing medical professionalism and offering questionable medical advice without seeing the patient
Sounds normal

>>135400097

Oh, that's ok then. Let's just let all that NHS money go to helping immigrants get IVF instead.

You fucking cuck. The parents raised the money and US doctors were willing to help, a last chance effort. Let's see you give up on a 10% chance to save your firstborn.

The government didn't like someone trying to take the law into their own hands, and fought tooth and nail to ensure that Charlie was sacrificed to the alter of social medicine.

>>135400279
Terry Schaivo's case was decided by her husband, her legal power of attorney.
Protip: To be power of attorney requires consent from whomever you're holding POA over.
That means both Terry and her husband agreed he was to decide her fate in a case. Not the government, not anyone but him.
No government in the US could have legally overruled him or her in that decision.

It is NOTHING like this case. At all.

>>135398701

It wasn't a scary socialized medicine death panel. It was doctors and courts deciding that it was pointless and therefore unethical to continue to force the patient to suffer when there was no hope either way.

>>135399268

Also this. The disease is genetic, progressive and incurable. It is not even possible to slow the progress of the disease. The child was going to die either way, and while it was alive, it was blind, paralyzed, deaf, severely mentally impaired and experiencing organ failure.

>>135399527

Others have already answered this question. Between the inability for them to provide the necessary level or quality of palliative care in their own home, it was provided by the hospital.

>>135399639

>they had a doctor in the US that said there might be a chance

That is absolutely false. Not even the doctors providing the experimental treatment made the claim that it would improve or cure his condition. The experimental 'treatment' offered by the U.S. hospital was more of a straight up experiment. The only positive outcome was going to be that we may have learned more about the disease. Meanwhile, the child would be suffering the entire time and unable to consent to such an experiment.

Jesus Christ, you shitsucking faggots, this isn't about the vegetable kid. No one with more brain cells than that dead baby should care about the condition or the kid's prognosis, and they should most definitely want the kid treated. That's because it's what the parents wanted. The state should have ZERO say on who lives and dies in anything but criminal punishment and wars. And you britfags won't even execute your criminals. Think about it, your judges won't put a murdering rapist to death, but they will kill a baby. Congrats, Eurotrash, you lost control to the government of every single aspect of your lives, including the right to life itself.

>>135400560
The objection at the time I think was to the way in which she was to die. It was basically starvation.

>t.alabama fag

>>135400260

I believe that all parties agreed that had he been allowed to go in January, when the high court case started, his prognosis would have been considerably better.

The six months of pointless legal battle did nothing to improve Charlie's case.

>>135398701

>a blind, deaf a dumb cripple dies

Shocker...

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>>135400512
>>135400349
Part and parcel m8.
Get used to it.

Fucking faggots. You losers have no spine, no brain. Hell by rights... should not you be made to die? I mean you fucks clearly lack a nervous system.

>>135399289
>I personally would have just shut down th kids life support, but it was the familys choice. The government should have no say.

The government funds it. Why didn't they just spend the money they raised on life support of they thought it was so important? You cannot expect a system like the NHS to throw money at lost cases when funding is limited.

>>135399639
>They had the money

Ya, they just didn't want to spend it in the UK, because 'muh NHS should pay for everything'..

>>135399937
>They wanted to move him to a different hospital out of the country and privately pay for the entire treatment, at least pay attention you stupid motherfucker.

But in the mean time the kid was still on life support in the NHS for absolutely no reason but to foster the delusion of the parents.. And possibly to bait a few more donations.

If they really wanted all the things they said the wanted, they should have just fucking paid for them instead of expecting tax payers to do so.

>>135400291
>That's an absolute lie. They raised over a million and were willing to pay out of their own pocket.

The experimental treatment offered by some slimey American that 'would do anything to save this kid.... for 2 million'. They did not want to pay for the NHS support and care to get the kid there, nor did they want to pay for the equipment they wanted to take home to let the kid die there.

>>135398701
This whole ordeal was idiotic to say the least.
The kid was ill, so bad that even after the surgery he would have had a pitiful and miserable existence.

>Oh noooo we must help this poor child!!!!!!!!

Fucking no, there was literally no meaning behind trying to prolong his miserable existence, except the parents' feelings.

>>135400528 This. Kek is idol worshipping, thus degenerate and must be stamped out

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>>135400539
im fed up with this world

>>135400349

>their """"child"""" was a literal non-entity, a pile of genetic waste disguised as a human

There's no chance you're not Jewish.

>>135400650
>That's because it's what the parents wanted.

Children aren't property though. You can't do with them whatever you please. There are lines drawn, and they exist in the world of medicine as well. It's not ethical for the parents, in their grief and desperation, to force this child to undergo more suffering than he has to, especially when his condition is incurable, terminal and completely robbed him of any quality of life whatsoever for the remainder of his short time.

>>135400560
>The court determined that Schiavo would not have wished to continue life-prolonging measures,[4] and on April 24, 2001, her feeding tube was removed for the first time, only to be reinserted several days later. On February 25, 2005, a Pinellas County judge again ordered the removal of Terri Schiavo's feeding tube. Several appeals and federal government intervention followed, which included U.S. President George W. Bush returning to Washington D.C. to sign legislation moving the case to the federal courts. After appeals through the federal court system upheld the original decision to remove the feeding tube, staff at the Pinellas Park hospice facility disconnected the feeding tube on March 18, 2005, and Schiavo died on March 31, 2005.

>the court
>judge
>president
>federal court

>decided by her husband
>No government in the US could have legally overruled him or her in that decision.

do fuck off

>>135400291

Cuz the parents were being illogical

That tato was dead

>>135400572
With all these negatives, that would not be a life, but being in a torturing prison.

But let's prolong his life because I love him. Fucking stupid cunts.

>>135400124
>all this reddit spacing
who can read this shit with an empty space between every fucking line, it makes posts massive
kys

>>135400652
>I think was to the way in which she was to die. It was basically starvation.

That's what you get when people get all anal about euthanasia..
>MUH GOD PREVENTS ME FROM KILLING PATIENTS DUE TO COMPASSION AND THE SANCTITY OF LIFE AN SHIET
>So we just pull out the feeding and hydratation probes and let the patient wither, like god intented

>>135400349

>They could have used private healthcare

They tried. In January. After raising over a million.

The hospital wouldn't discharge him, and took the family to court to stop them from taking him. Try literally cost the tax payment millions through a high court battle just to keep him in a hospital while he deteriorated and any potential treatment got less likely to help.

Six months later he was beyond the point of any help.

But hey, at least with his death the government still gets to decide who lives and dies. That's good, huh you cuck?

>>135400652
I think you're correct. It sounds bad, but it's not really that bad as long as you stay hydrated. In that state, your brain goes out pretty quick as glucose diminishes, and the lights basically go out.

It doesn't take weeks like in a normal healthy person, and indeed she passed pretty quick from what I remember.
A shitty situation, but it was still a private decision by family. The man she married. Making a choice like that ain't easy. Unless you're an asshole or bureaucracy(agency of assholes).

>>135400540

>sacrificed to the alter of social medicine

My mother works for the NHS and thinks those with money dying because the state cannot provide is a wonderful thing because of how 'equal' it would make everyone.

>>135400838
>It's not ethical for the parents, in their grief and desperation, to force this child to undergo more suffering than he has to, especially when his condition is incurable, terminal and completely robbed him of any quality of life whatsoever for the remainder of his short time.

No, anon, you need to pay 2 million to the Yank doctor that never even examined this patient in order to prolong its suff.. eh.. Life.

>>135400349
>endless reddit spacing
>mile long post for 5 words
fucking get out
see the difference
dumb nigger
no gaps

>>135400650
The state, or more precisely, the medical professionals saw that there was no choice but to end his life in a humain way. The could not have improved on his current condition, that is why the decision was made. Obviously from then on it is just a waste of resources to keep something alive, that is already dead or subjected to a pitiful existence.

Muh anarchist friend you have no correct understanding of how medicine works, or altruism. You do not fucking try to keep a dog alive which was cut in half, you put it out of your misery. Being human is no exception from this rule.

>>135400650
>That's because it's what the parents wanted
of course the parents wanted their kid to live. that's what being a parent is about
unfortunately this sometimes means that parents do not exercise good judgement where their kids are involved
we could compare cases where parents who believe in "alternative medicine" e.g. homoeopathy have basically killed their kids by trying to cure what would have been easily treatable conditions that have become fatal because they gave the kid magic sugar pills instead of proper medicine

>>135400540

That's a 20 mil toddler

I'd kill my first born for 20 mil, just have another

>>135400843
Hey, Eurotrash cockfag, you forgot something. That was because it was the wishes of the next of kin, her husband, who made that decision. He decided it, the court ordered it, because we don't let the government here make life and death decisions about our families. We just don't suck government dick like you guys.

>>135400667
The world of rare mitochondrial disease research is small and the experts in the world-renowned centres know each other and communicate with each other regularly. It has been reported that GOSH approached Professor Hirano in January 2017 to explore experimental nucleoside therapy (NBT) and invited him to come to London to assess Charlie at that time. GOSH were preparing an ethics committee application to seek permission to use NBT for Charlie when his deteriorated in January.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/charlie-gard-gosh-hirano-would-he-have-survived-a7861531.html

It was already too late

>>135400650

Absolutely this.

>>135400938
>They tried. In January. After raising over a million.
A million which they then did not spend on the life support their son needed.
>The hospital wouldn't discharge him,
Because he was on LIFE SUPPORT. The couldn't even breathe on his own.
>and took the family to court to stop them from taking him. Try literally cost the tax payment millions through a high court battle just to keep him in a hospital while he deteriorated and any potential treatment got less likely to help.
There was 0 chance from the start.
>Six months later he was beyond the point of any help.
m8 the kid was braindead.
>But hey, at least with his death the government still gets to decide who lives and dies. That's good, huh you cuck?

Brits, as a country, decided that they wanted this to be honest. Don't want the government up in your medical system? Abolish the NHS and go for a private payer system or manditory insurance or something.. Don't suck the governments tit and then whine when said tit refuses to produce chocolate milk for you.

>>135398701
He couldn't keep himself alive
Machines were keeping his going
So he didn't die yesterday
He died many months ago
and that's if he existed to begin with

The whole thing is a giant psy-ops experiment IMO, the name "Charlie Gard" sounds so heart-melting and made-up, like little Timmy 'O Tool stuck down in the well.

>>135401199
>playground insult every few words
mate you're not capable of having a reasonable discussion

>we don't let the government here make life and death decisions about our families
every government in the world makes life and death decisions about the citizens of that country every day

>>135398701

what were his options exactly

>>135400650
>The state should have ZERO say on who lives and dies in anything but criminal punishment and wars

Except the NHS is 100% state run. That means the state has basically 100% control over patients in Britain, and as such DO legitimately decide who lives and dies...

You can't 100% lean on the NHS and then whine the government shouldn't have a say. Get private care if that's how you feel.
>inb4 they did
Then how is it the kid was in an NHS institution?

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Feel bad for the very few remaining good Brits left, but this thread just proves that the overwhelming majority of your native population is so putrid that you deserve what's happening to you.

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>>135401074
>You do not fucking try to keep a dog alive which was cut in half, you put it out of your misery. Being human is no exception from this rule.
I'm not arguing against this.
I'm telling you that now, it's "no chance to live".
In ten years, at the rate and direction your little Khalif is headed, White kids are going to start getting the treatment for simple pneumonia.
What part of "a group of people who hate you and are taking systematic control over your little socialist shithole of an island will be making medical decisions about your kids in a decade" do you not get? Or are you a hadji yourself? If you are, then please go join Muhammad getting buttfucked my pigs and lobsters in hell. Give that fag a reacharound, probably needs one by now.

>>135400838
Ethics don't eneed into it. Just like the husband of Terry Schiavo wanted the cord on that vegetable pulled and the parents wanted her alive, the decision was between those two parties of the family, period. The doctors had fuck-all to say about it, and the courts only decided which of those two parties was right. Medical decisions are made by the individual first, then the next of kin second, only after consultation by doctors. Ultimately, in a free society, the government and doctors cannot make those decisions for us. It that's not the case, then far worse things have happened than forcing one meat puppet to keep breathing.

>>135401468

>Poland

The kid would have died 4 years ago in Poland.

>>135401475

Maybe you need to look into some NHS care for your fried brain too, m8.. I heard a spot just opened up on the brain damage ward.

>>135401516
>Tu quoque

>>135398801
There is no way to objectively tell if someone is brain dead. It is subjective opinion of the doctor. Look up the truth about organ donating

>>135400650
Don't bother man. These people are a lost goddamn cause. Completely self-unaware.
Absolutely no ability to understand human nature or how things can change in a nasty way when you allow just a little bit of assholery to get a foot in the door.

Can't imagine the hadjis taking over the island will be the ones making these decisions in a decade.

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>>135401641
>There is no way to objectively tell if someone is brain dead.
>It is subjective opinion of the doctor.
>Look up the truth about organ donating
this is why the world laughs at americans

>>135401074
Again, not about medicine. The doctors can inform the patient, and in this case the next of kin, but in a free society it is ultimately up to the patient to make decisions about their own level of care. If you can't make decisions about your own care, particularly life and death ones, then you are far, far worse off than some brain dead meat puppet being kept alive on machines.

>>135399071
Without Googling, it was a disorder whereby mitochondria DNA is prevented from replicating. Something like MDDS I think it's called (it's a class of disorders)

RIP ickle baby Charlie xxxxx taken from us too soon <3<3<3

>>135399905

The problem was the doctors said that they will not allow a human to be used in an experiment, that has not been tested on an animal even, they said it cause the baby to be in even more pain if they went through with it

>>135401149
And that happens, yes, but that's the cost of a free society. I'm not sure our British friends would recognize that, and it's sad. How hard is it for you to understand that the patient has the right to determine their own level of care, appropriate to their means, and that right naturally falls to the next of kin when the patient is indisposed? To suggest otherwise is a truly terrifying display of government subjugation.

>>135398801
>it

Does that make it easier for you to justify a Eurocuck panel of communists sentencing him to death?

>>135401503

Maybe ethics didn't enter into it in the U.S. case, but in the UK it does. A life isn't a thing to be fought over by family members. The child has rights, and ethics do play into it.

>Hurr durr free society means i can do whatever i want with my kids

>>135399810
Fuck you Jew.

>>135402209

>hurr hurr ethics means the state should be allowed to kill my kids

>>135399861
>meaningless

Just because you're a nihilist cuck doesn't mean everyone else is.

>>135399276
2 million you say? I'll take 3!

>>135402256

go ahead and connect the dots of how that happened exactly

answer clearly and concisely

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>>135398701

>>135401445
Expect our government here only executes criminals. You guys have eschewed that in favor of executing babies. Again, our patients and, if the patients are indisposed, the next of kin make those decisions because we control our own lives here. There, the government decides who lives and who dies. I feel sad for you. I honestly do.

>withdrawing treatment is the same as actively killing just because it has the same outcome

Fucking brainlets I swear...

>>135398904
So if it survived it would have had to suffer a life akin to a nigger? I think allowing him to die was a mercy.

>>135402059

Locke tells us that everyone has a right to live how they see fit, the problem is how do we apply this to small children or people who can't express themselves or take responsibility for themselves?

If we designate that right to a third party, do we give it to their next of kin or an informed impartial?

>>135401744
>britshits let mudslime filth into their country
>filth bound and determined to exterminate them
>gave up their guns, the ONE THING that can keep the fucks at bay, because SCARY
>start getting blown to smithereens
>mayor of LONDON, a fucking HADJI, says "well, better get used to it" all but openly flaunting he and his pals are destroying you
>you cry
You bring it on yourself. And this case is no different. In ten years, you'll be whining as babies named John or Michael are killed to make room for babies named Muhammad or Muhammad in the nursery under the orders of a judge named Al-Fucktari who was told by a doctor named Dr.Muhammad Muhammadad Idad Al-Muhammadidadidad that it was the right thing to do.

>>135402325
YO I FUCKIN LOVE MY SISTER TO DEATH DAWG I DONT GIVE A FUCK

Could he tell a joke?
If not he wasn't worth saving.

>>135402301

He won't because hes a fucking poop dick

>>135401460
I have no idea what you are trying to argue here. It sounds like you don't want the NHS to exist either. It does not follow that because the government controls their Healthcare that they get to make patient decisions. Our Healthcare is controiled by doctors here, and they still cannot force treatment or prevent us from seeking treatment elsewhere. So... yeah. Also, the NHS prevented them from leaving their facility after they got the means for private treatment. Here in the free world (not Europe) we call that unlawful imprisonment.

>>135398701
millions well spent
no refunds =)

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>>135402059
so you'd stand by and watch as a parent made decisions about their children that ultimately led to their death, in the name of "free society"?

look at pic related. kid died of eczema. fucking eczema.
are you really saying that at no point you would have stepped in and said "look, you're just not competent parents, let me handle this"?

>kids dying of easily treatable conditions because their parents being fucking idiots is "the cost of free society"
>kids with no chance of survival being allowed to die without suffering is "a truly terrifying display of government subjugation"
and somehow we're supposed to be the fucked up ones

>>135400349
>their """"child"""" was a literal non-entity, a pile of genetic waste disguised as a human
we all know he was British but this seems a little harsh

>>135402873

He's unironically ancap, what do you expect?

>>135401977
Again, the doctors opinions are valued and noted. The doctors can inform the patient, and in this case the next of kin, but in a free society it is ultimately up to the patient to make decisions about their own level of care. If you can't make decisions about your own care, particularly life and death ones, then you are far, far worse off than some brain dead meat puppet being kept alive on machines. Congrats on the mandatory euthanasia at age 65 for NHS cost savings, btw. Then the mandatory euthanasia for all white males 35 and older in the name of racial equalizing.

>>135402873
>are you really saying that at no point you would have stepped in and said "look, you're just not competent parents, let me handle this"?

...No. It's not my place. I'm not God. What, you think you are? Just who died and granted you the title? Or are you so egotistical you think you know better? You don't know shit. You can't even see into the future and you wanna be allowed to make decisions that affect other people's futures?
Are you batshit?

>>135399183
That's why they got in experts for the ruling you fucking dumb burger fat butt hole fingering fuck.

>>135402363
>Expect our government here only executes criminals.
not what i meant. every government makes decisions about spending on things which affect people's lives (environmental matters, public safety, emergency services etc), military operations in which many people could die, etc etc etc. just today there was a story about federal intervention in a debate about airline seats that could have safety implications.

>in favor of executing babies
rest of message discarded. grow up.

>>135398849

Literally not a conspiracy if you actually just advocated for euthonasia through socialized medicine.

You can argue over it's morality but this case obviously proves it exists.

>>135399639
Kys. You have the same brain capacity as that dead kid.

>>135402873
>so you'd stand by and watch as a parent made decisions about their children that ultimately led to their death, in the name of "free society"?
parents force kids to transition genders now in the name of a free society.


The troubling thing about the Charlie case is it usurps a belief humanity has held across all groups since the dawn of time and that is that parents are responsible for raising their children and deciding what is best for them. Now that role is occupied by the state.

>>135400999
Is your father a Somali by any chance?

>>135402506

>>gave up their guns, the ONE THING that can keep the fucks at bay, because SCARY

Government started severely restricting them in 1920 due to fear of communist uprising.

>>135399243
HAHA Good one

>>135402209
Congrats, the state gets to kill you and your kids now, any time the state decides its medically necessary. The rights of the child, when indisposed, fall to the parents. Are you seriously going to fucking tell me that you believe that the state represents British children better than their own parents?

>>135398801
>it
you are one warped serpent.

>>135402506
>>135403096
ebin b8 m8

>>135403276
So you gave up the thing that could actually defend you against commie fucks because?

Just READ WHAT YOU JUST TYPED.
Do you see it? It's called ILLOGICAL BULLSHIT.
Are you blind?

Lo and behold, you have an NHS now, one of the cornerstones of, you guessed it, Communism.
Taking away those guns sure worked didn't it.

>>135402368
Preventing a patient from moving to a different facility for treatment AND withdrawing treatment is definitely state sanctioned murder, however. Also unlawful imprisonment.

>>135403094

Stop being a conspiritard for one second, there are countless cases of people wanting to be euthanized at ages of 20, 30 and 40 due to certain illness and diseases and the high court has NOT allowed it.

If you think that from this the government or the high court has set a precedent where they can euthanize anyone they want once they hit certain age is going overboard.

>>135398701
nice

>>135403344

>Congrats, the state gets to kill you and your kids now, any time the state decides its medically necessary. The rights of the child, when indisposed, fall to the parents. Are you seriously going to fucking tell me that you believe that the state represents British children better than their own parents?

Oh boy, strawmen abound in this post!

Yes, in this case, the courts and the hospital acted in the interests of the child better than they were. The parents were saying "We don't care the baby is going to die anyway or that its suffering, we want to give him to the Americans for a science project!!!" and the hospital and courts were like "No, that's fucked because we know it won't fix the baby, and we know it will not only prolong the babies suffering, but increase it significantly as a consequence of the experiment."

And you're over here screeching like a retard about death panels and the big bad state, when in reality this is a question of simple ethics.

>>135402423
Impartial is literally the opposite of what when want and expect when someone represents us. The responsibility falls to the next of kin because they are obviously the ones who knew us best and are most likely to know how we ourselves would decide. To argue otherwise is to say that the British government knows British children better than their own parents do. This isn't about making an Impartial factual decision. It's about making a personal, biased decision that is also informed.

>>135402166
>>135403354

Oh so I was too lazy to remember what the gender was. Sometimes Charlie is a girl's name, short for Charlene.

>>135398701
>let's blow millions of dollars and thousands of doctor and nurse man-hours to keep thos baby alive so it can reproduce and then its hildren need the same resources
nah

>>135398701
Correct.

>>135400473
>being skeptical of authorities
>cucked
truly it is incredible the work the bong government has done on some of you

>>135400539
I thought he declined in the end citing ultimate harm, he's just a leading mitochondria researcher and thought he had an experimental solution.

>>135400999
the absolute state of you niggers

>>135401021
>>135400919
>le reddit spacing meme

you
are


the
problem

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>>135403766
>Yes, in this case
You imbecile.

Look, I want you to ask yourself the following questions, bearing in mind that the future is an actual thing and so is precedent and changing demographics.

1. Who is currently invading you?
2. Do they commonly take up positions of medical authority(doctors) or legal authority(politicians, courts)?
3. Do they want you exterminated?
4. Do you think these people will spare your native-born children once they have writ authority to cleanse you from the country, thus fulfilling their goal?
5. Do you understand now the world of shit you are in?

>>135399639
>And the state shouldn't decide who lives and dies?
>he asks on a National Socialist board
hmm..

>>135402873
Yup, I'm cool with this. Any American would gladly die or kill if it meant nothing having to live under the tyranny of government control. Not even that sad a price, really. The meme of herbal and religious cures is not one that should be spread.

>>135404223

LOL

Let me get this straight. Are you implying that the Jews killed Charlie Gard, and not a degenerative genetic condition?

>>135401460
That is why they are called subjects and not citizens.

>>135404391
Jesus Christ you're as dumb as he is.
No, not jews you fucktard. Close though.

>>135403569

Government did it out of self-interest; no-one ever voted for that.

Do Americans go out guns blazing every time there's a new state level restriction introduced?

>>135403161
You made no points here. You're done then? I guess I win.

>>135403990
>let's kill white babies
nah

>>135404171

desu she's one of the worst.

All her friends left the country because they could get paid way more in Oceania.

I'd bet $10 that if Charlie was a minority, the UK would have done every they could to save him

>>135398701
socialised healthcare is a godsend, it's the retarded courts that allowed this tragedy to happen. it's nothing to do with the British NHS

>>135404614
He was already dead.

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>>135404614
Don't worry. There are others to replace him.

>>135404550
>Do Americans go out guns blazing every time there's a new state level restriction introduced?
No, but then again, our government gets a little scared of us and doesn't tend to go hog-wild like yours.
They tried that approach in the 90s and some faggot named Timmy made them regret it.

>>135404340
>national socialist board
We only keep those asshats around for comedy reasons.
Muscle to muscle, they don't hold a candle.

>>135398701
It's sad that the baby died but this is hardly the fault of socialized healthcare. The baby was essentially dead on arrival and had no chance to live. All doctors agreed that the best that could be done was just to keep him on life support forever and even that would be a humongous expense to everybody. There are only a few ways this could have played out:

With socialized healthcare:
> baby is given a tremendous amount of resources to cling to life
> parents sue for more resources
> whether or not they get those resources, the baby dies and/or lives as a zombie
> taxpayers end up getting mad that a tremendous number of resources are being expended on a vegetable that can never make it to adulthood

Without socialized healthcare:
> baby is born
> parents pay a whole bunch to keep him alive
> parents either run out of money and baby dies, or:
> parents go into extreme debt for the benefit of having a vegetable baby

I'm not exactly a fan of socialized healthcare but this case isn't exactly a great demonstration of its failures. The baby was too far gone to have been reasonably saved by any healthcare system. It's tragic but it happens, unfortunately. I can't really imagine the parents' pain.

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>>135400182
>tfw mr and mrs Ahmed and their kid would be stumbling over all of the offers and help coming from all manner of medical institutions in the UK
there is no justice

>>135398701
>lemme just keep this mindless husk of a person mechanically alive for an indefinite time for zero reason or chance of recovery

>>135404832
>>national socialist board
>We only keep those asshats around for comedy reasons.
hello nu-pol

>Muscle to muscle, they don't hold a candle.
Don't worry, we have plenty of force multipliers.

I'm sure /pol/ has no problem keeping Jahi Mcmath alive.
http://www.docbastard.net/2016/03/jahi-mcmath-updatenot-really.html

>>135404683

The NHS is one of the worst socialised systems; most of Europe and Japan have something better.

'muh NHS' is practically the state religion, so reform is never going to be possible because every problem is 'underfunding'. It can't be massive economic inefficiency, it has to be not enough money thrown at it.

>>135403630
I was speaking hyperbole, but I do think mandatory euthanasia for the aged was a possibility in your country, one day, if you keep going down this road.

>>135399639
You don't really read past headlines, do you? That doctor volunteered to take a look at the baby but he later reversed position when he saw how badly the brain was damaged. Even the "crazy doctor" who appears with a miracle cure in the third act of the movie thought that Gard was beyond saving. It's sad but it happens.

>Because the state wants to have absolute authority over life and death.
Somehow there are a bunch of Nazis agreeing with this right now and not experiencing any cognitive dissonance.

>>135404926
>hello nu-pol
You mean /new/? You losers are guests. Nothing more.

>Don't worry, we have plenty of force multipliers.
Oh for fuck's sake. You idiots have no power. No force.
You won't find a single goddamn naziboo here-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h11uEvGc7u8
But you will find that almost everyone there is a lolbertarian. And you won't be laughing. Chances are you'll complain about the noise and how the government should step in and stop it because you're a fucking pantywaist like any other authoritard.

What about having both?

>>135404489

So then explain yourself instead of talking in riddles you fucking faggot.

>>135405154
>But you will find that almost everyone there is a lolbertarian.
Good, libertarianism is essentially a weak ideology followed by unpragmatic rubes.

>>135404832

They were even more scared after WWI due to expectations of a Russian revolution in other countries.

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>>135405279
You cannot be that dense.

>>135399071
That pic is because niggers.

>>135405337
Not enough blacks and women in that Dunkirk movie. Your fault.

>>135405085
and your road has the complete destruction of human civilization as it's end goal

>>135403766
Count the exclamation points I used and the ones you used. I seem to have trignored you something fierce. Good thing that your ethics and feelings don't enter into this discussion. You typing that mess just reminded how glad I am that no one should care. The only thing that malters is rights. The rights of self determination. The patient in a free society has those rights, and they fall to the next of kin when indisposed, period. In Britain, you have no such patient rights. You cannot choose your own lives, your own fates, or anything else. You are slaves to the government, and it will kill you one day. I weep for you imprisoned mind, a victim of government love.

>>135404587
>makes no argument
>throws insults
>cant comprehend what the other side is trying to tell
Suure you one bub

>>135401008
To the yank doctor who initially refused to actually see the patient.

>>135405656
>won**
It seems like i am as retarded as you are

>>135405337
So you disarmed your militia? Your government disarmed its mightiest fighting force and thought that was a defense?

Just think about this for a second. The British militia, your citizenry, the ones best capable of fighting off invading political groups without a doubt, we disarmed, and your government told you it made you SAFER from invasion?

How the hell did you people fall for that? Over here we would have said MAKE MORE AMMO.
A Browning .45 in the hand of every man and boy! Especially in 1920.

Jesus they've been fucking you guys over for a hundred years, telling you direct newspeak.
This is seriously making my brain hurt. None of it makes fucking sense "lad"!

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>>135405656
At least I'm free to leave my hospitals and seek treatment elsewhere if I want.

>>135405897

They thought the armed populace would revolt against the government.

>>135405656
>makes no argument
I'm pretty sure being okay with killing non-criminal citizens(because that is what it was when you cut the bureaucratic bullshit from it) but not allowing murderous criminals to be killed of is a direct contradiction of morals under ANY system of belief.

Dude made the best argument ITT. One that no one can even touch.
The UK kills off non-criminals because MUH COSTS but keeps their worst criminal scum alive.
You cannot argue against that. You cannot, as anyone who is anything but a complete psychopath, argue that this is alright.

You cannot. You might try. But you will absolutely fail.

>>135399914
well some sense.
just think about it.
>muh socialized medicine for everyone
>unless you have some special disease
>that some "doctors" consider to be a death sentence
>then you will die, no other options, now fuck off

let's imagine it would have worked out
>socialized healthcare couldn't save a child
>socialized doctors are incompetent
>because muh need to have monies to help niggers

I wonder if the "government" would have done the same in case it was a nigger child
>oh noes, can't let a nigger child die

>>135398801
extremely braindamaged

But UK wanted baby to die in the hospital rather than at the parent's home or in the US with experimental treatment.

>>135406253
Did the genuine retards think most of the populace were commies? Because if non-coms outnumber pinkos, the pinkos are done for.

>>135399582
If he's already destined for death why confine to a hospital?

If the baby couldn't be saved let the parents take him.

>>135404833
>With socialized healthcare:
>> baby is given a tremendous amount of resources to cling to life
actually:
>parents get millions together to get treatment in US
>parents have US doctors and monies
>UK fascist government doesn't allow it
>UK "clinic" says "nope, child has to die, we say so"
>child dies because of UK "clinic" and UK "government"

it wouldn't have cost your fucked up socialized healthcare a single cent, you dumb nigger

>>135406469

They thought the population may have had enough of being to sent to die by the millions by people they hadn't even elected.

>>135399276
>Yes goy, for the low price of 6 million you can save your kid! The moment we get the 6 billion transfer we will inmediatly commence. A pretty expensive operation, mind you, but thanks to those 6 trillion you have generiously promised us, his soon to be circumcidized penis will be come back to life on it's own!

>>135399582
>drain on the NHS
so what about all the fat people, cancer patients, faggots w/ AIDS, etc.when does someone 'become a drain'?

>>135406444
No, the hospital said that moving the intubating equipment was far too difficult as it was large, and there was no paediatric intensive care consultant who would stay on call at the hospice, because the parents pissed off all the doctors at the hospital.

Honestly, the parents need a fucking hard slap for keeping their potato alive as long as they did.

>>135406593
>why confine to a hospital?
The government there, the authorities, wanted their case. It's called foot-in-the-door precedent. It's a tactic used by authoritative agencies to get their way into a controversial matter and come out as the victor.
They select a case that seems obvious, like this one(of course the kid should have been allowed to pass away, BUT). One that's easy to win and doesn't make them look as bad. Just to wedge that foot in.
Once that foot is in, the knee comes next, then the whole leg, and before you know it the government has their dick up everyone's ass playing god and shit like someone died and made them boss.

The US drug war is a huge and glaring example.

>>135404683
The retarded "clinic" and its "doctors" wanted the child to die. Nowhere but inside said "clinic". It was probably a gold mine for them.
Literally.
Courts simply approved of that.

>not allowed to die at home with its parents
>not allowed to die in a US clinic
>not allowed to be saved by US clinic

and people call this "government", kek.

>>135407103
Except it wasn't an easy win you dumb-fuck American.
It got global attention, many were divided on the issue, it went to the Supreme Court, multiple lower courts, and the adjudicating European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg.

>>135406800
So wait. They weren't really worried about communism. They were worried about an honest revolt because THEY were shitheads...
Please tell me you don't side with these god damn shitheads.

>>135406948
>The hospital refused to discharge Charley.
>The Judge ruled against the parent's wish to take Charley elsewhere
>The hospital terminated life support on Charley.
It has nothing to do with NHS equipment. The hospital refused to let Charley leave and forced his death by life support termination.

The NHS would not allow any other organization to use private equipment to keep Charley alive for transport.

HOW ARE YOU THIS STUPID? I subscribe to dilbertman's One screen, two realities view of the world but I amazed that you bootlick so hard.

>>135402873

Let me know when you can think up an argument that amounts to more than MUH FEELINGS and growing a crop of welfare voters.

>>135407103
Burger, please stop thinking things work the same everywhere.

>>135399582
>was a drain on the NHS
good goy

so let's kill
>old people
>chronically sick people
>fat people
>retarded people
>fags
>trans
>and all ther other shite
>and everyone else who doesn't have a job
>including (you)
as fast as possible. Those are all a drain.
go go go

>>135398906
Because the british government wouldn't allow them to send their baby to the US for treatment.

This is sickening to be honest. If you defend this you are psychopath.

>>135399071
HEY YOU PIECE OF SHIT PROPAGANDIST RETARD

THERE ARE MORE FACTORS THAT GO INTO LIFE EXPECTANCY THAN HOW MUCH MONEY YOU SPEND

READ A FUCKING BOOK ON LOGIC

>He barely had a brain at this point. Unless there is magic spell that can literally re-grow dead brain cells, the child was already dead.

IT'S NOT YOUR FUCKING DECISION YOU SICKO SICKO SICKO SICKO SICKO
I HOPE YOU GET CANCER AND DIE BECAUSE OF YOUR SOCIALIZED MEDICINE (btw 1:4 pakis get denied latest cancer treatment, because the state has no money).
SICKO

>>135407172
>It was probably a gold mine
see >>135407321

The whole thing was nothing but a drain on their budget.

>>135407321
We know how it works there

>>135407222
It wasn't an easy win because everyone else could see it was morally wrong to hold hostage a doomed child.

If he's going to die, let the parents take him. Make them sign papers that say, "It is the opinion of the doctor that your child will die. You are declining further medical assistance."

>>135399071
also r^2=0.51

AHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>135407222
It was an easy win. They won.
Anytime the government wins a case like that, it's an easy win because it means no one made the message clear. Also, did it ever occur to you that non-Englishmen in mainland Yurop have no GOD DAMN BUSINESS meddling in your affairs?

>>135407294
Are you fucking retarded?
First of all, his name is CHARLIE
C H A R L I E
Second of all, Great Ormond Street DID discharge him when they moved him to the unnamed Children's hospice to die, you stupid fucking retard.
Third, the HOSPICE terminated his life support, after about 20 court rulings across multiple countries.
Fourth, the reason he was moved to a HOSPICE and not his HOME is because of the equipment being too large to move in to a home for a week.>>135407294

>>135407522
Possibly you might consider using this knowledge at some point then.

>>135398904
so african iq

>>135407544
Typical burger-tard.
The court has no sway over UK law. It's something we sign up to. Parliament is sovereign, but clearly that went over your head you dumbfuck burgertard.

>>135407321
We wrote the Declaration of Independence because we know exactly how fucked up the UK is.

Wallow in your own filth.

>>135400747
>The government funds it. Why didn't they just spend the money they raised on life support of they thought it was so important?

BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT WOULDN'T LET THEM YOU RETARD

>>135401641
>There is no way to objectively tell if someone is brain dead

Fucking hell.

>>135407702
le 56% face

>>135407508
makes no sense, dumb UK nigger

first of all, they had the money.
if it was a drain, they would have said "oh? you got money and a clinic in US? Well off you go"
or
"oh? you want to keep your child at home, so that it can die there? well here you go"

But nope. Instead they literally fight to keep the child there no matter what.

>>135407702
Also please stop thinking things have worked the same way for all time.

>>135407292

The revolt would likely have been communist, the same as in Russia.

Bear in mind that no-one really know what the end game of Communism was at the time.

>>135407777
Holy fuck, the child was a potato. GOSH, an international, world leading children's hospital, said the (((US doctor))) had no chance of curing the child, and it would cause unnecessary pain and suffering for the child, and that the child should be allowed to die without being in pain, in the UK.
Somehow ameritards think this destroys his freedom
topkek

>>135400838
OH NO I'M SORRY
IT'S NOT MORAL FOR PARENTS TO DECIDE TO TREAT THEIR CHILD
BUT IT'S FUCKING MORAL FOR A 3 LAWYER IN BLACK ROBES PANEL TO DECIDE TO PUT HIM TO DEATH

OKAY

GOT IT

SOMEBODY SHOULD FUCKING MURDER ALL YOU STATISTS, YOU ARE LITERAL PSYCHOPATH MURDERERS

>>135407321
Human nature generally runs the same across nations. It's the level of complexity and violence that change, but in the end, the same shit goes down.

>>135407687
Oh, I'm sorry. Forgive me for not understanding a system where parties are elected rather than men and parties can change who's in charge on their whim.
How you people even HAVE government, with so many fuckers trying to play boss and all that chaos is beyond me. Our government is pure anus but at least it can be understood.

>>135407860
I don't believe that a second. The UK is shit now but Brits were tough, commie hating motherfuckers during the war years from what I've seen.

>>135403766
>a 3 judge panel represents the child better than their parents

or how about you just take a gun, put in your fucking mouth and do everyone a favor and raise the world's average iq

fucking disgusting piece of shit

>>135408091
>parties are elected rather than men

....what?
You're even more retarded than I anticipated.

>>135407728
that's actually correct, dumb UK nigger.

https://www.nrlc.org/archive/news/2008/NRL04/BrainDead.html

>a man declared brain dead was found to be very much alive just four hours after that diagnosis

>muh totally objective
this whole braindead crap was probably invented by Jews to sell + get organs from people, who were actually alive.
>good goyim, he is braindead. now gimme organs

>>135407956
Calm down, they'll get murdered. It's all but guaranteed now. And they can't even imagine it happening.
It's like they're incapable of forethought. Then we'll have to step in and bomb the durkas out of London and begin cleaning up the mess.

>>135407935
How can a brainded child have pain or suffering?

>>135400838
>Children aren't property though.
If they're not property, how come the state gets to make decisions about them?
It's not about whether children are property. It's about WHO'S property they are - their parents or the state.
And UK decided it's the state.

>>135398701
an insurance company is a death panel too. it is just one that operates in secret to maximize the profit of its shareholders.

Meanwhile in the USA, a college intern flips a coin and decides if a procedure is approved.

>>135407777
And that's exactly why Mr. Potato Head shouldn't have lived this long.
There is quite literally no way for it to have been anything other than a drain on their fixed budget, please fucking educate yourself m8.

>>135408091
Your level of ignorance is exceptional, please continue.

>>135408203
The medical definition of brain death is 'unresponsiveness and lack of receptivity, the absence of movement and breathing, the absence of brain-stem reflexes, and coma whose cause has been identified.'

Not dead, you stupid fucking retard.

>>135398701
It was a vegetable that was having seizures and being kept alive by machines.

>muh freedoms

You are not allowed to abuse your children if you are found out they are taken from you. Does anyone argue against this? No they dont

Keeping this child alive to suffer more was ABUSE.

>>135407935
IT"S NOT FUCKING INTERNATIONAL HOSPITAL'S DECISIONS FOR FUCKS SAKE

AND NHS WOULDN'T EVEN LET THE BABY GO HOME

>Somehow ameritards think this destroys his freedom
YES YOU FUCKING RETARD

>>135408195
Over there, it's not "vote Hillary" or "Vote Trump", it's "vote labour"(It's spelled LABOR, stop speaking French already) or vote conservatives.
Like the man you're putting into place is an afterthought.

>>135408256
They're sure that their gated communities will be free from the Sharia patrol. Elites don't interact with plebeians.

>>135408483
If you think vegetables deserve freedom then you're literally retarded.

>>135398701
You idiots, they were upholding his rights as an individual to not suffer.

>Muh Parents rights.
You lard-buckets don't understand that Parents do not have the right to abuse children.

>>135408513
That's a campaign slogan you stupid faggot. We vote for a person who is in a party.

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>>135398701
I don't understand.

The parents raised the money to bring the baby to the US for treatment.

Why would the judges block them from going? The treatment was not only in a foreign country, but privately funded.

I swear, if I were a parent and the government barred me from treating my child in a private hospital with private funds, I would make it my sole mission in life hunt down each and every judge involved and give them the same death sentence that they gave to my child.

What is it with people rolling over and playing dead? The right to self defense and the obligation to protect your children as a parent supersedes any and all laws. Any government that encroaches upon these fundamental rights and obligations is a tyranny.

>>135399276
Never saw medical documents
>But muh can save possibly give me shekels to exploit your hope.

>>135408379
So you are too stupid to read, fucking UK nigger

I said they had millions to get treatment in US.
And the "clinic" did everything to keep that from happening.

Your excuse for that?
>muh fixed budget

THE PARENTS HAD MILLIONS, YOU FUCKING DUMB SHIT. They would have paid to get the child to US and get proper treatment

If the "clinic" wanted the child to be gone asap because of money, they wouldn't have done what the fuckers did.

>>135408549
okay, we'll i think you're a vegetable

tell me where do you live so i can enslave you, you don't deserve any freedoms, since you know, you're a vegetable.

>>135408549
Btw are you aware that your socialized system has cancer (and other expensive diseases) survival rates about the same (just slightly better) as former soviet states?

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>>135399071
mitochondria depletion syndrom

>>135408659
Fight me in court over it, and sure, cuck.

>>135408203
>One guy is misdiagnosed as brain dead one time
>"That means it's totally impossible to diagnose brain death in humans!!!"

Fucking hell.

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>>135400349
>I am show you I muslim, and I showing this mentalist he is fucking with wrong guy. You're the BASED Anon. Baby suffer because parents being bastard guys.

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I'm done here too. This thread is starting to give me bad vibes.
I don't like getting pessimist IRL so I'm bailing while I'm still in a good mood.

Before I go-
>1. Who is currently invading you?
Muslims
>2. Do they commonly take up positions of medical authority(doctors) or legal authority(politicians, courts)?
Yes to both.
>3. Do they want you exterminated?
Yes.
>4. Do you think these people will spare your native-born children once they have writ authority to cleanse you from the country, thus fulfilling their goal?
No, not a chance.
>5. Do you understand now the world of shit you are in?
No, they don't.

Have an allahu day.

>>135408773
And your privatised health care system has one of the lowest avg ages of the developed world?

>>135408625
For the same reason they wouldn't have released him to be sent to North Korea to have electrodes installed in his head on the off chance it kept him alive.

>>135408646
You can't buy kids for experimentation, even if they're your own. You fucking moron.

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>>135400188
>Trusting the Catholic Church on medical matters

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>>135399183
Stop being an asshat, the "specialist" they flew in ruled it was a pointless endeavor. He was what? The 16 individual reported with mitochondrial depletion syndrome? All infants pretty much died or the few that made it to adulthood died super young, and what kind fo life is that?

>>135408779
No need for it. Vegetables don't have any rights, including the right to trial.

I'd suggest you guys not argue with him, he is just a vegetable.

>And your privatised health care system has one of the lowest avg ages of the developed world?
Yeah nice graph you posted with R^2=0.51 hahaahahahahahahahahahahahahhhahahah, still gets me LOL. You should work for NOAA.

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>>135400473
The land that encourages this for shekels:

>>135398701
>Bulgaria, near the end of the socialist regime
>Old person has to go to the hospital for dialysis
>State doesnt have money, all doctors are ordered to put old patients off dialysis
>they die

>>135400528
>>135400775
KEK

>>135398701
is this the kid that Donald Trump offered to help save, but the parents told him to resign because sick burns are more important to them than their son's life?

>>135400572
BASED burger.

>>135409105
Mexico? The NHS isn't noted for wanting to spend money on unnecessary procedures, e.g. circumcisions.

>>135398701
Poor, little feller

>>135400877
this

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>>135400650
>tfw you don't mind parents not treating their ill kids and spreading infections.

>>135408891
https://www.emaxhealth.com/51/23285.html

>US Breast Cancer survival rate: 83.9%
>UK Breast Cancer survival rate: 69.7%
>US Prostate Cancer survival rate: 91.9%
>UK Prostate Cancer survival rate: 51.1%

>muh NHS

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>>135409298
We need a picture to cheer us all up

>>135407415
>so let's kill
>>old people
>>chronically sick people
>>fat people
>>retarded people
>>fags
>>trans
>>and all ther other shite
You do realize that this is actually a reasonable point?

>>135401516
Savage

>>135408934
The only role the government has is determining whether or not it wants to pay for treatment, not whether or not the individual can get treatment.

I agree that the government doesn't have to pay, but once it makes the decision not to pay, any privately funded medical treatment by MD's in accredited hospitals is no longer any of its business.

>>135409474
I notice those are treatment survival rates. I wonder what happens if you include people who weren't getting any treatment.

>>135409581
Well, that's where you're wrong.

>>135402256
>muh Parents have the right to torture kids

>>135409605
Then the UK rates would be even lower.

>>135407555
I can't wait until you're old and slightly sick and a panel of Muslim judges deems you're too sick to live (even when you want to use your own money). Muh free healthcare!

>hey can we spend millions of tax payer money to see if the .1% chance this treatment will work on my already brain dead baby who would then cost even more millions in benefits and state money over its lifetime while suffering practically every single second of its waking life and hurting most of the time from any kind of weak immune system issues that it will definitely have?
>'no'

>>135402613
Making the real points Anon.
>Have a FOsters.

>>135409694
Really? Because one of the samples has people without medical cover, and one of them doesn't. Guess which is which.

>>135409742
They wanted to use thier own money. Apparently they raised millions of dollars through donations. The panel of judges refused to allow them to use thier own money to treat thier child.

>>135398701
He was fucking dead you moron, they did brainscans, his brain was fucked, his parents just denied this and kept their child suffering for their own fucking ego.

>>135409816
You really don't understand. Even poor people get cancer treatment in the US.

>>135408831
>it's totally possible to objectively diagnose people
>objective diagnose
>objective
fucking hell

What do you think diagnoses are?
Facts?
All of that are literally opinions
Opinions by so called doctors

>oops, our guess work to "diagnose" so called brain death is faulty
>we do not even think that we fully understand how the brain works
>how consciousness works
>how the immune system actually works
>nvm, we will continue using it
>to get organs from so called dead but not really dead people

>>135402873
I know lad, imagine loads of Parents not allowing their children medical treatment for routine things thereby causing:

>Infections to spread.
>Child suffering

The argument being made by these twats is that a child has the right to suffer if the childs parents deem it so.

>THE ABSOLUTE state of no ethics of a society.

>>135398701
In cases of finite resources (which is practically always the case) in private heath care death panels are life auctions. Your chances of possible continued existence is auctioned off to those who have the ability to couch up enough money to justify the use of resources on them. This leads to situations where new born babies of young adults with treatable conditions lose to soon-to-be-dead-anyway boomers who made off from housing markets

In UK you can invest in private medical insurance Charlies parents didn't so they decided its the taxpayers job to fund an expensive experimental treatment attempt in another country. I may seem like a cruel person but its not the taxpayers job to pay for false hopes of idiots even when those idiots have reasons I can personally empathize with.

I mostly use my tax money funded public healthcare but I have just incase private insurance for these kind of situations.

So why didn't they let the baby come to the land of the free for treatment?

>>135405516
>BASED Lukaku Anon.

>>135398701
And you don't think private corporations wouldn't do the same?

Hell, I'd argue private corps are worse as the incentive for them is clear - profit.
Meanwhile, the incentive for doctors in a 'socialised' healthcare is to help people, as no one becomes a doctor for the pay.

>>135409888
If the child is braindead, let the parents take it.

Why are you wasting expensive NHS medical services on a patient that the parents want to withdraw voluntarily?

Instead your state said the parents couldn't stop Charlie's treatment and then a few months later kill the baby yourself.

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>>135403104
>you fucking dumb burger fat butt hole fingering fuck.

Indubitably and I may add, a rather fine piece of prose.

>>135402506
We've had like 5 terrorist attacks in a decade, claiming less than single mass shootings in America.

>>135409888
some years earlier:
>He was fucking dead you moron
>"doctors" could not find a pulse
>so must have been dead
>fact

also
>brain dead
>suffering
choose one

>>135401641
Please stop. You're making us look bad.

>>135409496
you're doing god's work anon

>>135408625
>The parents raised the money to bring the baby to the US for treatment.

Parents raised money to lobby for tax payer money to treat Charlie. That's a totally different thing from paying the treatment directly.

>>135409262
Nah, I meant the US allowing unethical surgery as long as the shekels role in.

I'm just waiting for genetic operations/experimentation to get tossed to the free market and see how stupid the burgers can be in destroying humanity in the name of
>Muh individual freedom

>>135410110
This is what hell looks like. Worst than any internal organic level in an anime video game.

>>135410142
You may want to Google that.

>>135404832
>No, but then again, our government gets a little scared of us and doesn't tend to go hog-wild like yours.
>They tried that approach in the 90s and some faggot named Timmy made them regret it.
I don't think you understand, Parliament is soverign, they have total power, it's their fucking job to enact quick responses to possible problems, like a communist uprising, the American system deliberatley creates roadblock, the whole point of our system of government is for parties to be able to go Hogwild, that's why good ideas like the NHS could be introduced, and why shit ideas like the poll tax could just instantly be retracted, and why ethier of the two could be abolished/reinstated at any time.

>>135410037
>Hell, I'd argue private corps are worse as the incentive for them is clear - profit.
You obviously don't understand free market principles. Leaving aside the fact that a private company doesn't have the authority to arrest you, if a private company got this level of bad press, consumers in a free market would freely go elsewhere. You can't go elsewhere, and you have no recourse. Your system has no accountability.

>>135409816
>Can't have terrible patient survival rates if you don't count people who are denied treament as patients.

WEW. The burgers spend double as GDP and have the highest private care costs.

Burger boy; Which finger to save?

>>135409919
Lordy, that free universal healthcare sure does sound good then, I wish I had me some of that.

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>>135410101
>if the parents want to abuse and hurt their children let them do it, its a free society!

You need to understand this is what you are arguing for.

>>135410643
He didn't argue in favor of the NHS.
So no.

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>>135410037
>private corporations being able to forcibly steal a child and threaten you with prison time [death if you resist] for trying to stop it

britcucks are a disease
and before you ask, yeah I think he should have been killed a long time ago and his parents are retarded
but how dare a government declare ownership over a child

You have no choice in socilized medicine. If a doctor tells you something you have no option to seek a second or third opinion. Many people seek different opinions and experimental treatment and are cure.

>>135410963
>you have no option to seek a second or third opinion
Where did you hear that one?

>>135411162

>JUST WAIT ANOTHER 8 MONTHS GOY