Honest thoughts on Civic Nationalism?

>>135397965

It's retarded unless it's about white people of different nations and creeds coming together to form an entirely new nation. There have been a few successful examples of that in history, but they have all fallen in the end because of non-white influx.

So basically, I think it's kind of dumb in general.

>>135397965
Being a majority mexican socialist leaning country will make us the next Venezuela.

They are cannon fodder for us to gain momentum

Good for the west.

I salute it because diversity = decline of western powers and maybe a white country like Poland can take the reign now.

Weak, half-assed stance. Nothing more.

Pointless on its own, if you want a functional multiracial society it needs to be one that discriminates based off of other factors like IQ, personality testing, and genes.

Basically just Gattaca my shit up and it will still be slightly worse than a white utopia

>>135397965
The people are the nation; you can't be for the nation if you support the dilution of its blood and shattering of national unity. Civic nationalism is just 'I want to be a nazy but I don't want to be called a racist'

>>135398031
This essentially.

>>135397965
We can't go one day without seeing this cunts avatar can we

>>135397965
Acknowledges a problem with 3rd world immigration and thinks it can do a thing about it without the third worlders already here getting in the way. Unfortunately, if they have the power to vote, the bused and sailed in 3rd worlders vote to make the problem worse.

If you're American you have to get every fucking illegal out, have them take their anchor babies too even if the current interpretation of the 14th amendment still hands the kids citizenship.

If you're British; Islam Out.

>>135397965
It's fine for stopping your country going further down the shitter, but it's not going to get you out.

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>>135397965
Seems to be the forté of those who live in 98% majority white areas.

>>135398653
Exactly. The whole point is to find and implement solutions. Not set up a holding pattern like traditional conservatives waiting for the progressives to push us on further down the shitter.

>>135397965
>Civic Nationalism
Define it.

>>135397965
already had it for past 80 years

>>135397965
Good for the machine, not good for the people.

>>135397965
Idk why your posting a pic of sargon when he doesn't claim to be a nationalist of any sort.

>>135397965
It obviously doesn't work in the long term, but it's still absolutely necessary right now to shift the overton window further right. We just need to worry about when civic nationalists start counter signaling us.

>>135398865
You know, I don't have a problem with a few blacks and Pajeets around. The old lot are mostly good lads.
Right now though, everyone needs to fuck off home unless they can demonstrate some serious loyalty.

>>135397965

It's unrealistic. People always fall back to their tribal loyalties, it's human nature. For some reason, whites get taken in on the romantic notion of it more than any other race.

The only real positive is that it's a stepping stone toward race realism and ethnonationalism (at least it was for me).

Bait thread, don't forget to sage.

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>>135397965
keks are obvious decoder frameworks to fuck your 4bit STM with oldschool agendas, using simpelton NLP and semantic relatedness on visuspatial youtube. altright and kek are purging. cant hold the ripple effect cunts

>>135398653
This. Right now it's our emergency break, and we need to press down on it like a motherfucker.

>>135397965
meme politics. nature is stronger than ideology, we want to be with our own

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>>135397965
Can't work when your country is getting blacked.

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It doesn't work

>>135399791
Is politics nature though. Something to consider.

>>135397965

It's kind of like supporting a football team after all of the players get slowly booted out/moved on and new players are bought from other teams with no feeders from the actual area the team comes from.

It's technically still the same team - the name is the same - but it also maintains increasingly smaller support. It doesn't really matter if it is successful, because, having changed from being a part of the community to being separate from it, it has lost its purpose. What are they even playing for at that point?

Money. And that's what 'civic nationalism' is about. Maintaining an obviously alienating, transactional society in the pursuit of greater wealth and materialism.

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>>135397965
,.
Daily Reminder ... KEK was a kike plant

The God KEK was the Egyptian God of Chaos, The Mason/Illuminati motto is Order From Chaos

The song Shadilay and band PEPE with a magical frog on the album, and the fact that kikes own all the media and music labels
is no coincidence. The Shadilay song has the frog, magic and the word Jubal on the record label which appears in the old testament.
Genesis 4:21:And his brother's name was Jubal; he was the father of all such as handle the harp and pipe

KEK is idol worship and occult period and "the bringer of light" literally means lucifer. There is no argument against this except by shills. The term "God Emperor Trump" was coined by them and is what is called apotheosis and is occult. I am a Buddhist so all of this is rather stupid to me but it doesn't change the fact that they believe in the occult and it's purpose which is to mock and draw people away from Christianty. Kek is sac religous idol worship if you are a Christian.

This is Biblical scripture:

Revelation 16:12-17—And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared. And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon. And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

The kikes are trying to lead the right under controlled op into occultism/race war

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>>135397965

It is bullshit. Not only for the native population but also for the immigrants. People in general like to be with their own, they want to live their culture speak their language etc.. That is why we have little Italy and China town and a little Istanbuls around the world. The primary reason why people migrate is economic oppurtunity. They don't want to assimilate to another culture. Their children might but they will always have an identity crisis. The best solution for mankind, no matter European, African or Asian, is nation states of healthy, proud people who work towards improving their respective people.

Does waving an American flag in the air make you American?

Civic Nationalists believe it does.

kerdasi amaq

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>>135398309
Do you realize that they'll come for us when they're done with the West?
This goes from both the (((them))) and the shitskins. We have been doing good so far because we're Shire of this world. There are bigger targets for (((them))) to focus on but once they dismantle the West, we're fucked.

>>135397965
Fuck off sarcuck

In theory it sounds ok. In practice it fails its intended purpose.

>>135397965
Fantastic response to globalization . Only /pol/weenies disagree due to low IQ

>>135398180
>It's retarded unless it's about white people of different nations and creeds coming together to form an entirely new nation.

KYS

>>135398888
It's nationalism without edgy racism or socialism attached to it.
Therefore it's not the type of nationalism preferred by teenagers and ex-cons.

>>135402546
To be completely honest, nukes are the only thing that's scary about a khalifate in western Europe. When it comes to conventional warfare 80iq mudslimes and niggers fueled by a suicidal ideology are literally nothing when the kiddie gloves come off. Oh, and if they somehow manage to win (which is doubtful due to 80iq niggers being shit at warfare), they're going to inherit the ruins of Germany, France or Belgium, not Germany, France and Belgium as we know them today.

But the nukes are fucking scary, so I hope that a foreign intervention will secure them if we're ever faced with a worst-case scenario.

>>135397965
worse than liberals and SJWs. they're cucked on race.

cant be just 14 without 88

>>135404820
The physical shitskin invasion is not the one we should fear, it's the enemy within that will let them in. The far left has been extremely weak so far because small amount of resources is being used by the (((globalists))). If the West falls Soros and the like will "invest" in Poland, there will be NGOs everywhere bitching about the "human rights" and more traitors in state institutions.
The former "liberal" government almost let them in anyway so we must remain vigilant all the time.

A step in the right direction.


>In physics you have a vector and magnitude

This has the right vector but not the right magnitude

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>>135397965
pic rel

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>>135402546
This is absolutely true. But it will not be the Jews opening your floodgates, but the Christians. Look: you can even have one of them back, Angela Kasmierczak.

>>135405317
This won't be possible after the West experiences a Philippines-style muslim uprising. Like I said, the kiddie gloves will come off soon and that's precisely when those fuckers stop being scary.

I think it was Aaron Russo who said that Soros, Rotschilds and the (((globalists))) are dangerous only when we're willing to cooperate with them. The entire world is going to be forced to stop cooperating really soon.

I'm pretty sure Poland is safe as long as Russia doesn't fucking invade us to suppress some internal crisis by starting a war. Our entire civilization is at stake, I hope that Russian elites understand that this shit is more important than their wet dreams about a USSR-style empire.

>>135397965
I'm Indian. Civic Nationalism will never work. Maybe a federation or a confederacy with ethnic/cultural and or religious provinces may work.

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>>135397965
Impossible.

>>135406200
>This won't be possible after the West experiences a Philippines-style muslim uprising
You underestimate (((them))) and their leftist slaves. The left will just shrug it off by saying that the real multi-culti has never been tried and all failures happened because whitey was not tolerant enough.
This might sound absurd at the moment but with huge media and academia support the people can be convinced to genocide themselves by commiting the same mistakes that were done in the West. Just like nations are baited to embrace socialism over and over again.
Exposing people like Soros and his NGOs is always good and it slows down the march of the left but we are only able to resist when they are not using their full strength. This is why we need other nations to take the hits for us so the enemy won't stay focused on one target.
There will always be people willing to cooperate with the enemy at least as long as we don't go full authoritarian.

>>135397965
Civic Nationalism is just some dumb buzz word that's gained popularity in the last few months. it doesn't mean anything

>>135397965
ITS ANOTHER WORD FOR MULTICULTURALISM REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>135406866
Remember when communism was exposed in the 50s, when people learned aboug gulags and the number of victims? When the western communists had to rebrand themselves in order to re-enter the public debate?

We're nearing a very similar event or a series of events and they won't be able to reinvent their propaganda in an instant. Socialism, globalism and SJW bullshit will become impossible to peddle to the common people, so we're going to get at least a decade of peace.

But yeah, if the globalists aren't purged in that time, the world will have to face them again.

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>>135407503
It started earlier with Gramsci. The Frankfurt school continued it but it was no longer focused on the economy but culture and people. Replace the working classes with minorities and the bourgeoisie with majorities. This is the entire narrative of the SJWs. They constantly spout about patriarchy, islamophobia, racism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8pPbrbJJQs

It's great, that way my wife's son Ahmed is as french as I am.

>>135398180
Thats literally america

>>135397965
An oxymoron. Nation states aren't built on civics. They're built on people. Nation states are a tool for a sovereign people to retain their autonomy, allowing them to flourish on their own terms. The state's legitimacy furthered by the certainty that even when something does not benefit you, it does yours. Opting for a materialistic view wherein all peoples are virtually identical, interchangeable cogs in a machine does away with the foundational properties of the nation state. It's antithetical to ideas of sovereignty, of autonomy, and of the state existing to serve the people instead asserting that it(and the people) exist to serve ideas. It's fucking stupid and in direct contradiction with any form of nationalism. That's why only empires ever adopted it. They're ideologues, think ideas matter more than people. They're universalists and not nationalists.

Its modern form is an ideological red herring. It doesn't bring you any closer to nationalism. In no aspect does it fundamentally differ from globalism, it rests on the same foundation and it brings you to the same end. It's materialist, universalist, and it's anti-nationalist. It's purpose is to assuage the natural outrage at having your birthright given away freely by asserting that instead it should be sold to the highest bidder.

It's very important to distinguish between a middle-ground compromise between two ideologies, and a synthesis of them. Where fascism was an attempt at such a synthesis, by constructing a new foundation irreconcilable with both capitalism and with socialism, civic "nationalism" is not. It's a compromise. It's not a synthesis of nationalism and liberalism, nor of socialism and capitalism. The only similarities with nationalism are superficial, some commonalities in its demands. It rests entirely on the same foundation as the other three, sharing none with nationalist thought.

>>135398031
fpbp

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>>135401489

Of course we understand this and we want a fucking race war you kike. You'll be first on the day of the gas regardless. Fuck off.

>>135403021
Fuck me? Fuck you!

>>135401489

Funny enough this fact become more clear to me when I watched Blazing Saddles.

In one of the first scenes with Hedley Lamar there is a bookcase in his office. In the top shelf right in the middle there is a statue of the dual headed eagle holding the banner that says "Order out of Chaos" in Latin. He is obviously the hidden hand behind the elected official. On a subsequent scene this figure is removed so it was intentionally placed and obviously special attention was paid to it.

When Hedley is in the bathtub he is freaked out because he can't find his squeaky frog bath toy. He has toy ducks right behind him, but no he needs his froggy.

"Froggy love daddy? Yes. Daddy love froggy."

>>135397965
Based, I love all of our 'pedes no matter what race, religion, and/or sexual orientation they are

>>135397965
Its fucking retarded, no I don't think my country is just a fucking proposition of something that any nigger could agree with and them be apart of it.
Civic nationalism exists to only to warm up the bed where total cucked multiculturalism without any national identity can lay. Think about any sort of nationalist movement which says that some people can't be a part of a nation, if a country has a history of blacks moving in or any other minority will become counter signaling any nationalistic movement for not including their impure mulatto ass. Civic nationalism is just poison to any country and is not at all conservative because civic nationalism was a liberal position 50 years ago.

>>135397965
Multiculturalism is a good thing. I genuinely prefer living among people from all different backgrounds.

>>135397965
Just another name for multiculturalism.
>Reject your race! We're all equal! Legal immigrants are good! We're all equal! Give them voting rights! We're all equal!

>Diversity is our strength!

>>135397965

Civic nationalism leads to eventual Balkanization. You're basically saying you want a civil war and the dissolution of your nation at some point in the future.

>>135416312
>Civic nationalism leads to eventual Balkanization.
Quite an interesting point, but not really.

>>135397965
Okay for the New World, but not Europe.

>>135416890

But bydlo we already have our minorities pushing for their own schools, their own, neighborhoods, and trying to carve out their own little nations within a nation. As that progresses it will get uglier and uglier.

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>>135398950
>Asks, what did you dream
That's alright we told you what
To dream

Means to an end.

We can't go straight from degenerate neoliberalism to 14/88.

>>135399566
>Offers meaningful insight
Doesn't offer solution
Kkkcombo breaker

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Civic nationalism is another trap for white people to keep them from realizing they have group interest and organizing around that.

>stay respectable goy
>compromise goy
>be ineffectual atomized individuals goy
>don't notice all the jews in your leadership goy
>vote for "rightwing" politicians who act exactly like leftwing politicians goy
>pretend niggers are the same as whites goy

But hey, at least you won't be called a racist right?... right? guys?

>>135417209
this.

>>135416890
On pamojmu pro eti veschi luche znajet, suka!

Also, if Niggers aren't human (proven), civnat is a meme

>>135417209
All i wanted to say is there are several other factors that may push a balkanization of any particular multi-ethnic country. Those factors are not in place in USA.

>>135417209
>we already have our minorities pushing for their own schools, their own, neighborhoods, and trying to carve out their own little nations within a nation.
I remember that shit occurring several times in US since 60's. Now it's pushed by SJWs who already are laughing stock for entire nation. It will die out some day.

>>135417505
Must treaty with the defectors
Destroys defectors
Takes defectors shit
Eats kfc and watch BP

>>135417686
>Those factors are not in place in USA.
to clarify:
>provided that financial supercrisis is not to be expected in USA anytime soon

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>>135418042

Well blyatman you need to understand that there are entire populations of niggers in the US entirely dependent on being bribed by the US taxpayer into complacency. When we can no longer pay for their food/clothing/housing/energy they will immediately form hostile nations.

I think you can't understand it because of cultural reasons.

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>>135397965
pic related.

If it's an empire-sized country like the USA it's pretty much the only kind of nationalism you'll ever get to have.

Any other form of nationalism only works in smaller jurisdictions.

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>>135397965
Literally USA

>>135397965
Retarded shit, it allows place for non-Whites in White countries

>>135397965
Shit doesn't work. If the Czechs and Slovaks can't share a country then Whites and Niggers aren't going to be able to pull it off either.

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>>135397965
>Honest thoughts on Civic Nationalism?
it is not real nationalism

>>135426130
56% of 320,000,000
Is still
170,000,000

>>135397965
Only viable option for a nation based around principles of liberty. Treating all people like they are the average of whatever statistical group they happen to fall into is antithetical to freedom.

>>135415916
Until they rape your girlfriend, Oz.

>>135397965

If it's in a population of racially/culturally/intellectually homogeneous people it might work.

If it's in a multicultural society everyone will try to use the force of the state to further their own group at the expense of others, classic tribalism with a modern state.

>>135398031
/thread Why is the first post the best post 90% of the time.

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That seems to be a pretty good consensus. This is now a YouTube Skeptic™ hate thread

>>135426509
is that supposed to be Sargon of Akkad?

>>135415916
>I genuinely prefer living among people from all different backgrounds.
good for you but most people do not prefer to live among people of different backgrounds so why should we destroy our society for you?

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>>135397965
sage

>nation of people with nothing in common
Oxymoronic

>>135415830
I can like any individual for the duration of a conversation. That doesn't mean I want them fucking my sister.

>>135426771
>I don't know how civic nationalism works
The premise of civic nationalism is people being tied together by common values. Only progressives think that multiculturalism works. The difference is that multiculturalism doesn't involve integration.

>>135427109
>The difference is that multiculturalism doesn't involve integration.
how does the integration of the black and hispanic community is working out for you?

>>135397965
It's basically globalism, you can't run a country build by white people without white people.

>>135427109
Too bad integration is impossible across racial lines. The Italians still aren't fully integrated.

>>135427312
They aren't, because the people running those communities have been pushing proto-multiculturalism for decades. When integration doesn't happen, it's because the country is letting them get away with shit.

>>135428311
>When integration doesn't happen, it's because the country is letting them get away with shit.
or some groups just cannot be integrated

>>135397965
A luxury we cannot afford

>>135428676
The children of African American soldiers stationed in Germany after WW2 grew up fully integrated with the German population. It is entirely a matter of culture and how much they are allowed to get away with.

>>135397965
Sargon is a twat.

>>135400172
Right
Wing
Death
Squads

>>135397965
9/10 times, Anyone on /pol/ who supports Civic Nationalism is either a newfag or nonwhite who wants to still feel some """identity""" with the foreign country they are in.

>>135427312
>Black and hispanic

>Hispanic

Hispanic isn't a race fucktard

If you mean brown beaners, say mestizo

ANY RACE could be hispanic

Stupid kike

>>135429077
>African American
Please go back to your containment board >>>r/the_donald

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>>135397965
Better than no nationalism, not as willing to accept and understand reality as ethno-nationalism/racial-nationalism. Optimally a society should be at least 70% ethnically homogeneous because you cannot have a functioning Constitutional Republic where people cannot achieve proper consensus. These extremely close win-on-a-knife-edge elections are not good things, they're an indicator that our society is so badly fractured we can barely come to an agreement and thus barely carry out the basic necessary functions of a country.

>>135397965
Can't make a nation with people that don't see themselves as part of the nation.

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>>135397965
it cant be accomplished when the majority of People of color and immigrants overwhelmingly vote Democrat.

The Alt Right is the most logical conclusion to saving western civilization.

>>135400172

>He's sitting there like "at least i got the constitution"

It's hard to compare one system to all other systems, but in the /pol/ context of civic vs ethno I'm on the side of civic. Why? Because ethno has some pretty serious problems. Namely "if we've got a skills gap to fill and people of our ethnicity won't do it, why wouldn't we take in qualified people of other ethnicities?", "shit like Chinatown really isn't a problem, why should we be so strict on who we allow into our country when it's only a certain small set of ethnic groups that actually cause problems?", "what actually is [your ethnicity here]? e.g. are the Polish white?".

>>135397965
Not viable right now. Other demographics will only come together to subvert and overthrow the dominant one. Which is exactly why all minorities in America vote majority democrat even if they don't always align with them. Hispanics have many values that should make them conservative, but democrats let all their faggot relatives in, so they go blue.

>>135397965
Fuck ,that is some cuck shit....

>>135397965
I have an unpopular opinion on this, but Civic Nationalism is a gateway drug for ethnic nationalism for may. Also it helps nationalists navigate in the mainstream and better achieve many of the same goals.

>>135439090
I can agree with this. Civic Nationalism as an end goal is naive, but it's still preferable to neoliberalism.

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>>135397965
Their goals align with those of ethnic nationalists to a very high degree. Political ideologies aren't just abstractions, the ways in which goals and beliefs intersect between different groups is very important, as well as their distance from the political mainstream. This is how you gain momentum, not by isolating yourself and inscribing swastikas on trees in obscurity and fantasizing about racewar

>>135397965
>that pic

ALMSIVI, we've got work to do.

>CHIM.sfx

Can not work unless the nation in question is one of those really strong national unity places, with lots of belief in the Flag. The only modern country that can feasibly pull it off is the USA, but considering its current state of illegals, niggers, flag haters, self hating Americans and so on that dream is dead.

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>>135397965
>Honest thoughts on Civic Nationalism?

>>135408913
And Rome

Diversity of only whites seems to work pretty well