At the end of the day, it doesn't matter if McCain said

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just get a room and touch each other like you usually do

Simply amazing, truly heroic

McCain 2020

>>135397655
It's just a bit saddening to me that there are so many Democrats that are still pissed at him because he's overall a Republican and has voted many times against us before. He just saved our asses. You gotta admit that.

>>135397472

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>>135397719
He'll be dead by then and everyone knows it, including him. Even if he wasn't, he'd have no chances of winning the presidency with a brain tumor.

Press L for lobotomy

>>135397870
Press G for Glioblastoma

G

>>135397472
>What matters is that he saved healthcare for tens of millions of people

>This is what retards actually believe
>That people simply opting out of buying health care means they "lost" coverage.

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Press T to send energy to the Great Patriotic Tumor

John McCain is about to seriously get payback on Trump for talking shit in spectacular fashion. He's got less than a year to live. He could literally take a shit in a desk during the next vote and never face any consequences.

>>135398375
As the richest opt out, health care becomes more and more expensive, at which point the middle class opts out, at which point it becomes even more expensive, at which point even the poor have no choice but to opt out, at which point tens of millions of people have lost coverage, yes.

>>135398529
Even if he acts as a Trump stooge for the rest of his life, it will never change the fact that what he did here was momentous.

>>135397472
The bill was shit, McCain saved us all.

PRESS C FOR MOAR CANCER

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>>135397472
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tock...

tick...

>>135397472
fuck him, sooner he's in the ground the better

>>135398743
Death comes for us all
McCain just delayed it for millions of people

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>>135397472
Imagine having only a short time left to live and being in a position of great power. Are you saying you wouldn't take this opportunity to get revenge on the guy who publicly insulted and belittled you? Would you spend the last few months of your life rolling over for him like a good cuck?

>>135397824
Do we know it? I doubt he even has brain cancer.

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>>135398995
He spent his life betraying his country, he might as well continue until he dies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz1XKVvHroo

>>135399646
Hell yeah

I wish the nazis grumpkins here would realize that getting rid of ACA would mean doctors basically being illegal unless you're a billionaire, and millions of dead bodies lining the streets just like way back when before ACA

>>135399646
Love it, based McCain, also this >>135398995

>>135400151
Nothing as extreme as that, but it would be a considerable lower life quality for millions of Americans.

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>>135400151
>oy vey better insult the Nazis again
>remember the six gorrilion goy
who you foolin jew?

>>135399310
You think he's making it up? That's gonna be an awkward lie to hide three years from now.

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>>135398995
>>135399646
God bless McCain

SHUT UP, CANCER BOY

>>135397472
I can't wait for the Cadillac taxes to kick in next year. The unions are going to shit themselves with that 40% excise tax. LOL

It really does not matter, because Obamacare is going to collapse as insurers pull out. When the premiums are $1000 a month, with a $5000 deductable, everyont will drop coverage and take the IRS penalty.

>>135397472
You make only 75$ a week to shill on /pol/
Is it really worth it?

>>135402902
Hopefully, it won't get to that point, but even if it does, a fine is better than none, as long as that fine goes towards Obamacare

>>135403008
Shill who? McCain? I do it for free on this specific act he did. But if you find out how to get paid for it, do me a favor and tell me where to sign up.

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world's first Traitorb*rg

>>135398526
TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

Captcha: coats

No coat 4 u, McCancer!

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>>135403138
>he does it for free

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> pic related

>>135403366
Again, if you find out how to get paid for it, give me a ring.

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>>135403638
In your case only suicide would really pay off

>>135397472
Nigger

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>>135397472
>flag
>literally a jackass

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>>135397472
>He saved healthcare for 10s of millions and assured there won't be a healthcare reform within the next fiscal year...

Yeah, you faggots should probably read up on this because he literally just fucked tens of millions of people.

>Forbes

>Obamacare actually is in trouble and is being held together only by illegal payments.

>In addition to the exits that have already occurred, Humana is leaving for 2018; Molina (a big player) and Anthem (a very big player) are seriously threatening to leave for 2018. These are credible threats. Who would stay in a system in which historically you have lost money when the Executive branch, following in the footsteps of the Obama administration, which to liberal silence refused to enforce the employer mandate properly for its first two years, is now going to enforce only weakly the individual mandate? Moreover, Obamacare has depended on its success for the past three years on illegal payments made by the Obama executive branch to insurers: tens of billions in cost sharing reduction payments not authorized by Congress and the diversion of $5 billion required by statute to go to the Treasury into the hands of insurers. If President Trump does not become part of the same hypocrisy and stops these cost sharing reduction payments and seeks refunds of the $5 billion from insurers, Obamacare becomes yet more fragile.

He's a senile man on his way out and just made sure you leftie fucks without jobs would die along with him, the ultimate kamikazee

>>135403895
So edgy! Awe-inspiring, really.

>>135404658
McCain is a globalist Kike cock sucker.

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>>135397472
>He dies today of Cancer.
>Arizona governor Doug Ducey appoints someone
>That someone is for repealing Obama Care because he wants to win the next election.
>All was for not.
Nothing of value was lost.

>>135405071
Even in the worst case scenario, he stalled for time and saved millions until then. Nothing can take away his achievement.

>>135403075
>as long as the fine goes towards Obamacare

I don't think you understand how federal taxes work...

>>135405206
I'm just saying in theory. I realize that's not how it actually will go down in practice, especially with Trump in charge.

>>135397472
I bet Obamacare isn't looking after his brain cancer

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>>135397472
OP is too dense and not bright enough to realize that McCain doesn't actually stand for anything but simple controversy so he can be in front of the cameras before he dies off.

>>135397472
We know you it's you Lindsey.

No one cares that you're gay with McCain.

>>135405321
Trump doesn't decide how money is spent. Even if every taxpayer paid the full fine, it still wouldn't cover half of the cost of the increase in medicaid.

The program was never really supposed to work anyway. It was always going to lead to huge premium increases. The point was to use the huge premiums to motivate people to vote for single payer.

>>135397472
forced people to buy healthcare at gun point = saved healthcare for millions.

Only dumbocraps.

>>135405709
Single payer would be great!

>>135405474
So? His flair for theatrics just saved tens of millions of people. Go tell them that they shouldn't actually be happy because McCain is an attention-whore. See how they care.

Obamacare sucks dick for sure, but whatever the Repubs were planning with that horseshit bill was probably WAY worse.

Jesus maybe if they tried working with the Dems to make a half decent bill instead of rushing to get rid of Obamacare at any cost we wouldn't be in this mess

Cant wait for my healthcare to go up AGAIN! Its pretty epic to pay $40/wk and still have over $3k in medical bills (Had an allergic reaction to Penicillin out of nowhere after taking it before and ended up almost ded)

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>>135397472
Yes, what a hero, I watched the replay of "Songbird" John McCain say "NO!" to Trump at least 10 times on CNN! He's such a hero! CNN told me so! And that poor man has brain cancer too! He had nothing to lose by voting yes!

How on earth will he fuck underage kiddies with the rest of the senate when he's gone?!?

How will he laugh each time he remembers how he covered up left behind POW's in Vietnam that knew too much?!?

How will he EVER be able to relive the glorious moments after his capture when he ratted out his fellow brothers in arms to get preferential treatment by his Vietcong captors?!

What a man! What a guy! Songbird McCain's rancid cheese faced corpse for 2020! He's got my vote! CNN told me to!

>>135397472
>tens of millions

You realize obamacare ever only picked up 12-14 million people who were uninsured while the other 280+ million people in the country ended up with shittier healthcare with increased premiums, right? Fuck the majority of citizens though if can whine and throw a tantrum loud enough to get what you want that's all that matters, amirite?

Now insurers are bailing out, literal healthcare monopolies (illegal in the US) have already formed in states and this is a "win" in liberals minds somehow. And you wonder why people think you idiots are suicidal.

democrats and all other regressives seem to base their entire worldview around some calamitous hypothetical rather than the reality of the situation

>>135397472
>What matters is that he saved healthcare for tens of millions of people

Who don't want to be forced to pay for it. I was one of those tens of millions. I'd rather not pay for something I font use. And duck baby boomers who do and don't pay orders of magnitude more for it.

>>135406600
>Jesus maybe if they tried working with the Dems to make a half decent bill instead of rushing to get rid of Obamacare at any cost we wouldn't be in this mess
This was precisely McCain's argument. He could be full of it, but it's irrelevant, because it's the truth.
How about the Republicans actually NEGOTIATE with the Democrats on coming up with something and trying to force it through? Make those damn deals they promised us.

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>>135400963
Haven't you heard? When politicians get found out, they either find religion or find cancer. Someone with McCain's connections working for the elite could easily disappear to Argentina to live out the rest of his days in peace. With enough money faking one's death is easy, especially if someone else is paying for it.


The timing of his cancer is incredibly convenient since it was exactly when the plug was pulled on CIA operations in Syria supporting ISIS, which McCain's foundation has played a large role in.

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>>135406600
>maybe if they tried working with dems to make a half decent bill...

>meanwhile dems refused to even go to work in congress a week after his inauguration and into Feb. and boycotted any talk about healthcare reform while still being paid by taxpayers to do their job

>Are still actively boycotting the President's nominations, lead by Schumer, to make sure he can't pass any meaningful legislation

Yeah...totally Trump's fault. You're right.

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>>135406704
<----------Typical Liberal

>>135406634
>>135407045
You're delusional

>>135406250
Yeah, the great government-provided healthcare is why McCain refused care at a VA facility. I can't wait for the wonderful government efficiency to come to a doctor's office near me!

>>135407030
The same way democrats negotiated Obamacare?

>>135407431
Sorry, you're right. John McCain is probably just a swell guy and his fucking over the American people for several decades was just a big misunderstanding

>>135397472
You democrats do realize that in 2018 most providers will leave the market place or are ready to, the tax laws will go in motion and care will be MORE expensive, right?

Say what you want about Trump, or Republicans in general, but McCain just put you guys on a train to fail-town. Literally the thing Democrats COULD run on just blew up. Part of the reason Trump won so many blue wall states was the Obamacare premium increases. Now that there will be less providers, even higher costs than before, you literally gave republicans and him mandates for 2018 and 2020, while simultaneously putting another nail in the Obamacare coffin.

Christ, all you had to do was come to the table and negotiate and you would of had SOMETHING to run on. Here's a recap in case you've had your head lodged in your rectum:
>Arguing like fucking children makes you look dumb to normal people
>Economy and Jobs are going in Trumps favor
>Trump IS living up to his promise on keeping our dick out of the hornets nest that is Syria while kicking up the fight against ISIS
>Despite all the noise and shakeups, people still will vote for him

Trump ain't perfect, but he's latched on to a message he's VERY good at delivering, and this time for once it's the truth. Politicians are playing business as usual and fucking Americans, and he's there to drain it.

Trumps a shit head but you guys are flat out wrong to think he won't use this to negotiate later. Just imagine the mandate he'll have next year to get this done.

>>135406704
You're getting insured in case you get sick. The system isn't perfect and there's much better but the Republicans offered 0 better alternatives. There was no excuse for straight up gutting it with no good replacement in mind.

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Socialists are planning to celebrate 100 years of FAIL.

Killing off millions is the only way to ensure there is enough to evenly distribute to the masses.

The was to send it Conference with the House to make the bill better, he just being an asshole.

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>>135408280
I was already insured before the shitshow your megalomaniac black messiah forced on everyone without Congressional approval and for about 45% less. Obamacare insured less than 3% of the population that wasn't insured before while fucking over the other 97% with higher premiums and lower-tier providers. That's irrefutable fact.

>>135408806
Can confirm:
My family premiums went from $1400 a month with no deductible to $3200 a month with a $1500 deductible

>>135397737

>It's just a bit saddening to me that there are so many Democrats that are still pissed at him because he's overall a Republican and has voted many times against us before. He just saved our asses. You gotta admit that.

The only thing that ever made him a "republican" was the fact he like defense. Other than that the guy has always voted with democrats - did everyone forget this fucking idiot was running against Obama in 08 and got so fucking blown out of the water people have just chosen to forget it ever happened.

please fuck off back to plebbit neocon kike worshiper

>>135409044
Yep. People were going on about how Obama is a demon nigger and McCain told them to calm down. Dude isn't a prick.

You know, Medicaid isn't insurance.

>>135406600
>working with Dems
There is no working with liberals. They don't compromise. Ever.

They need to be put into FEMA camps.

>>135409312
Can't fuck back off to where I've never been to to begin with. Reddit is a circle-jerk.

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>>135397472
B is for McBane
but in all honesty the "skinny repeal" was fucking retarded, it would have defunded and destroyed the healthcare system. someone had to put a stop to it.

>>135397472
B

Long live you magnificent bastard.

>>135410674
>someone had to put a stop to it.
Yet only Cain had the guts to do it. And Murkowski and Collins, of course. I guess maybe it changes your perspective when your life prospects go down real bad.

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Thank you for preserving my health and NEET lifestyle you old coot

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Obama care more like nigger care.
Also T for time to leave.

people deciding not to pay for insurance is not the same as people who can't buy insurance. The only insurance losses would be people choosing not to buy. kek off dem shill

>>135411337
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong."

Getting rid of the individual mandate would just make insurance companies pack their shit and leave places that are a net loss, so basically anywhere red. It's a sad fucking day when democrats have to vote down measures that would kill off republican electorate.

>>135407055
>get cucked on Obamacare by Republicans, concede to hundreds of ammendments after a year of debate; amendments which debatedly cucked the program and made it bad
>Repubs now try to pass their own bill
>written pretty much exclusively by McConnell
>refuse to debate with Dems over it
>refuse to even let a majority of your party know what's in it
>President can't even vouch for it because he's an incompetent monkey who throws out vague statements
>only reveal your bill a few days before voting
>one of the least popular bills in history, with bipartisan agreement for it's shittiness
>fucks over millions
>big tax breaks for wealthy
>still refuse to debate or amend it
>bill gets shut down
>now making up replace/repeal/skinny legislation on the fly, taking days to write and only giving hours before the vote

The entire bill, the way it was created, and how it would be implemented, was collectively agreed upon to be a piece of shit. No one other than millionaires and Trump cucks who agree with him on everything wanted it. Dems have always been available for working together, they did it for their own bill, and they want to do it for this one. Republicans are just shit, and are more focused on getting rid of anything that says "Obama" on it than actually representing their constituents.

And no fucking wonder Dems boycotted Trump's nominations, Flynn and Preibus have already been fired, Sessions is on his way out (Sessions and Flynn btw being investigated for undisclosed contact with hostile foreign agents), and then there's people like DeVos who got in exclusively by having money, and who have no knowledge of what they're being nominated for.

>>135411678
>if we can't force people to buy it they won't.
Fuck you nigger. The individual mandate is unconstitutional as shit and the only way it passed was Obama packing the court with leftist pieces of garbage who re-imagined the law to be what they needed it to be to make it work.

>>135412302
The Swamp was drained.
However, the replacement was a Sewage Settling Pond.

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>>135412546
Agreed, you should be taxed to pay for government supplied health insurance.
The way you are taxed for roads leading to municipalities you never visit, schools that will never be attended by the kids you will never have, and many other facets of civilization you will never utilize. That's how an Ordered Society works.

I'm totally against you being forced to negotiate with the Wolves that run the corrupt insurance industry.

>>135398560
>Demtard using trickle down economics when it suits him

He said no because he is a deep state puppet. He couldn't give a flying fuck about anything

>>135412649
>swamp drained
No it hasn't. There are still Democrats in office.

>>135412546
Do you also bitch about car insurances? Are those unconstitutional too?

>>135397472
Fuck you for higher deductibles and premiums. Are you still on Mommy's plan?

>>135413055
Irrelevant. Saved lives.

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>>135413055
Senate Repubs were in a tight spot, faced with a pants-on-head insane bill from the rabble in the House. They had spent too long making repeal a red-meat issue with the demented idiot wing of their base to simply do nothing.

So they slapped together some half-assed legislation that wouldn't pass muster with their small crew of wing-nuts, and it died. Then they put together some utterly garbage half-measure, and killed it in a "Close Vote" using the 3 GOP Senators who would take the least amount of career damage from torpedoing it.

The problem they have now is that they both desire to maintain their majorities, but also realize they might actually have to do positive reform on the nation's healthcare, which will greatly upset the check-writers that fund their majority. Mitch doesn't want to be the Minority Leader again, but it was a lot comfier than the bed of nails he's on right now.

>>135407030
the only thing they will agree on in socialized healthcare. Obamacare was always just a stepping stone.

The one thing I trust about McCain is that he loves America. the guy got tortured in Vietnam for America. Trump hasn't even released his taxes. Its pretty obvious who is more american

>>135413377
I don't have to buy car insurance. WTF are you even on about crackhead?

>>135413105
>There are still Democrats in office.
They are completely powerless to do anything about anything.
The United States is effectively being run by 52 Senators and the wide majority in the House, a 5-4 majority in the S.C. and an impressive majority of State Governors and legislatures.

The Democrats are no more capable of affecting the direction of Government than the Green Party at this point, they can't serve as your bogeyman anymore.

>>135411678
I agree that getting rid of the individual mandate would collapse any health care system built around the individual mandate. But that doesn't mean the individual mandate would work in America, in a culture and society that is terrified of government compulsions like that.

We should restructure health care in a way that works for the american people.

Here are my proposals:

1. Buy in for medicare. If you had insurance that meets the minimum standards for the 6 months prior to buying in, you are covered instantly. Otherwise there's a 6 month waiting period after buying in before you're covered. This is to prevent abuse.

2. End indefinite intellectual property rights in this country. Technically there are limits on how long intellectual rights can be enforced, but the limits are constantly expanded, and pharmaceutical companies find ways to repackage the drugs to renew their patents. If we end intellectual property abuse, and institute a flat 20 year period during which your intellectual rights on a product are enforced, the pharmaceutical industry would be a lot more competitive, and prices would drastically fall. Consider for example that I pay 60 dollars for an inhaler that costs 5 dollars in the U.K. The price increase is entirely due to intellectual property protections preventing competition.

3. Increase budget for detecting medicare and healthcare fraud. People taking advantage of government programs on both a corporate and individual level is contributing to the rising cost of health care in this country.

>>135409813
Woah...so this...is the power...of the tolerant right...

>>135413692
Liberals aren't American. They're not even humans.

>>135397472
>Heathcare didn't exist before muh precious nigger

>>135413497
Literally saved no lives.

>>135413743
>52 senators
Requires 60 to pass legislation, which is why this was the only way to try and fix health care because it had to be done through budget reconciliation which limited what was possible.
Democrats cannot be worked with. They need to be purged from the country.

>>135414152
Why can't democrats be worked with?

>>135413986
>vote against their economic interests
This part always cracks me up. Liberals don't seem to get that we aren't voting against our economic interests. It's like they can't imagine people having jobs.

>>135406634
This is embarrassing

>>135397472
>save healthcare for tens of millions of people
oh you mean the people who didn't have health insurance before Obamacare and now we have to cover their insurance with our skyrocketing premiums and mandates?? Nice sounds like a great idea and definitely won't fall in on its self, it must be the only way and we've already had it for years now so no need to change it

>>135414238
They get in the way of whatever kind of ideological purity he holds

>>135413986
>>135413817
Shills
meant to create a divide in america
we all know just because libs and conservatives don't agree doesn't mean they aren't American

also choosing sides is what got us into this mess you newbies

>>135397472
That guy is cancer made flesh.

>>135397472
>At the end of the day
didn't even have to finish reading the post to know it's bullshit

>>135397737
>us
Kill yourself, you lost your humanity long ago.

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>>135397472
Funny thing about all this. When everything starts to go to shit, democrats will just start turning on their supporters, including McKane. Kane will become a republican when the left are ready to attack him.

I have seen hundreds of people refer to trump as a republican. To all those people.
>L

>>135397472
B
He's a maverick.
He's a hero.

>>135397472
just came here to say that trump is going to recind ocare exemption for congress next week.

i hope he's rich.

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>>135409044
>Other than that the guy has always voted with democrats
t. Completely Unfamiliar with Voting Records.

McCain is one of the most consistently far-right votes in the Senate.
He was even ok with George being allowed to torture, when it came down to a vote.

>>135414504
The divide already exists and there's no healing it. Civil war plz.

A real Maverick
Unironic B

>>135414817
He'll be dead in a year. GBMs are 100% fatal. He'll probably be nonfunctional in 3-4 months.

>>135397472
>he saved healthcare for tens of millions of people

what you call healthcare I call crime

>>135415612
It's how all modern societies work.

>>135415612
There's a divide between people who think healthcare is a right, and others who think the government shouldn't be involved. That's fine.

But come on man. Did you hate Obamacare for it's "secrecy"? This GOP bill was written pretty much exclusively by McConnell and a handful of others. Trump only promoted it with vague statements, and talked shit behind closed doors. Republicans voting on the damn thing didn't even know what they were voting for, and were getting fact-checked during interviews when they either didn't know or had the wrong information about the bill.

How is it acceptable at all?

>>135397472
He saved free healthcare for a lot of people by making other people pay for it.

It's called socialism.

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The Internet will tear him a new one.

Media can't hide the truth and McCain's Hero status is going to be shot down.


http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20081007_investigating_john_mccains_tragedy_at_sea

>>135416369
And free markets (((healthcare )))) is agaisnt working class families

>>135397472
>saved healthcare
Socialist schemes do not work, bud. It will simply accelerate inflation, misery, and the further hyperinflation and collapse of our healthcare system.

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>>135397472
McCuck can burn in hell

>>135404658
The whole point of Obamacare was to collapse our system and let them usher in single payer.

>>135416911
>Socialist schemes do not work, bud

Roads
Fire department
Police
Education
Infrastructure
Military
Library
Postal service

I could go on, move to Somalia if you want a Libertarian paradise

>>135417215

This. Muh boogeyman socialist arguments only works on low IQ Inbreds who lack critically thinking skills

>>135408014
2017 insurance companies are going to break even

2018 they will start profiting again and will start entering the market again.

Obamacare is set to stabilize next year and that's why the Republicans were going to fuck it up this year because they can still say it's failed.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/13/obamacare-markets-health-care-240487

>>135397472
Everyone knows that McCain is a Democrat assigned to the Republican Party just to take the seat from real Republicans so he can shit on the system.

I press SOHG, let us all Shit On His Grave.

S

>>135417215
None of those are socialist, you dumb fuck. Those are all public goods. Socialism involves collective ownership of the means of production. No wealth is created based on the use of roads, the police, libraries, etc.

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>>135417912
>(((you)))

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>mccain goes out in a blaze of glory by dropping trow and going pajeet style all over the closest thing to an achievement donald trump has so far
>people insulting him because he struck back at a man who insulted and belittled him dozens of times, personally and indirectly, instead of rolling over like a cuck

he's still a stupid asshole and i hope he dies in agony but holy shit what an amazing fuck you

>>135397472

You're a faggot. People have a card but no insurance. Why are you a left, libshit, kike, nigger, commie? Where you told it would ensure you a place in Heaven or something?

>>135418058
Do you seriously think that all government is socialism? Are you really that dumb?

>>135398721
>filename unix timestamp 1251900103539
this is what memes were in 2009

>>135417912
>No wealth is created based on the use of roads, the police, libraries, etc

That's an incredibly retarded statement.

Without roads, trillions of dollars worth of goods wouldn't be shipped. Without police, billions of dollars of goods would be stolen, without libraries tens of trillions of dollars wouldn't be made through the spreading of knowledge.

>>135417912
>Socialism involves collective ownership of the means of production
Care to explain how healthcare falls under that category, then?

>>135398526

T T T T T T Ty Ty TYRONE!

>>135397472
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>>135397472
This POS needs to be ground up into hamburg and airdroped on niggers floating on boats in the north african sea.

jewry freemasonry fuk goyim via lodge cops courts clergy mayors

>>135397472

>Be McCain
>Vote against reform, which would've changed the lives of millions of people for the better, because someone said mean things about you.

The epitome of political maturity in DC. Should SHTF and people start rampaging through the streets, Those 3 Republicans would be major targets of mob aggression.

>>135400284
And a substantially higher quality of life for others. Taxation is a zero sum game.

>>135398560
Do you even logic?
This is completely backwards

>>135418964
>reform, which would've changed the lives of millions of people for the better

>voting for a bill that was shit out in a day by McConnell, and had a few hours before being voted on
>voting for a bill that your own party didn't even know the contents of, and there was less than half a day to analyze how it would actually affect the public

>he thinks policy that involves 1/6th of the country can be created by a handful of people in the space of time it takes to marathon Star Wars, with no consultation at all

>>135397472
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>>135418232
Lots of buzzwords, not a whole lot of intelligence.

John McCain is the severus snape of the government. Everyone thought he was an evil fuck but with his dying will, he KEKED trump and the rest of the retard in the GOP

>>135419349
This is what get's me. Like what the fuck was the GOP doing all these years. You'd think after so many years of complaining about Obamacare, they would have a decent contingency plan.

>>135397472
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>>135412302
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>>135419349
As usual, the Canadian knows more about American politics than every American in the damn thread
Thanks for the great posts, mate

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>>135420137
It is far easier to be the opposition party than it is to be the governing party.

Republicans are only good at taking things away, they have no experience with giving things to people.

>>135408686
The better bill (and how better could it be) could have just been completely ignored while the one that was proposed today makes it. He didn't want to risk that.

>>135418445
Socialism is the collective or government ownership of the means of production. Roads and other public goods simply don't fit under that definition, as they're not used to produce anything, and the government sometimes doesn't even own the means to produce them.

This guy explains it better: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/425799/notes-ridiculous-meme-charles-c-w-cooke

Even public health care isn't necessarily socialism, if it's accomplished via a simple redistribution of wealth.

>>135397472
While he saved it for tens of millions, he ruined it for 100's of millions. People cannot afford to pay their premiums, their deductibles are so high they are useless. People do not even have $500 saved up for emergencies, how are they going to pay a $5000 deductible?

>>135420956
Well, that's just arguing semantics to be honest. Police / fire / roads / etc. are socialistic programs where people come together to fund.

The point is they are created from a socialistic point of view, not a capitalistic one.

>>135405138
"Millions" who the hell are they?

If you depend on health care you're probably worthless anyway.

>>135420137
They kept throwing ways to destroy Obamacare and then acting all high and mighty when Obama blocks them. Now that it's time to actually offer a better substitute, they have nothing and exclusively want to repeal it without offering a better alternative. They had 8 years to think of something, as you said.
Perhaps Trump believed them and that's why he's so confused now. He thought they had the answers and all they needed was a leader to give them power, but all they had were empty promises. The two party system must improve.

>>135398560
Reading this made me drunk

>>135397472

You know to be honest I think Trump and the Republicans have a better chance to get a super majority in 2018 if Obamacare is still the problem. Otherwise people would, quite sensibly, be blaming Republicans for the next year or so of medical insurance problems.

Thanks McCain.

The longer Republicans can run on "Help us fix what the Dems did to healthcare" the more elections they'll win.

>>135397472
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>>135420272
I just don't get how it can be justified. For all the talk that Obamacare was done in the dark, there was no discussion, etc., this was literally drafted by like 5 or 6 people. Republican senators being interviewed have openly admitted they had no input and don't know what's in it. That's insane to me.

And there was absolutely no point to it. If they had just taken an extra 6 months, and had token Democrat opinions, they could have maybe gotten something together.

But instead they pissed around for 7 years, and instead of admitting they have no clue, they tried to rush a shitty bill as quick as possible, hoping no one would find out or stop them.

>>135421189
Yes, it is semantics, and because words mean things, it's important to make sure you use the right ones. Those public goods are not socialist in any way, they're necessities to grease the wheels of a capitalist economy, paid for by taxes, which themselves are not socialist.

>>135418548
If the government owns the providers of care, as it does in the UK and Canada (or in the case of the VA in the US), it would be socialist. If the government subsidizes the cost of using private healthcare companies, it is not socialist.

>>135421284
Are you saying my grandpa is worthless you cunt?

>>135397472
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>>135397472

>saved health care for millions

you all are really this stupid, aren't you?
BTW, the insurance lobby sends their love

>>135419057
no, buddy, you still pay for those uninsured. when they hit the er you get charged with a fraction of their ridiculously overblown cost. but you're too dumb to understand that and think that saving $100 now is better than having to pay $1,000 tomorrow because you don't understand complex systems like healthcare like your idiot president discovered after he took over the white house.

>>135397472
I'm a single 32 year old man and I pay $320 a month for health care.

My rent was cheaper in college in 2004.

F. I hope this traitorous cunt sees all those gooks again in hell.

>>135406600
>implying the dems are even willing to negotiate
They're too busy spinning some new bullshit narrative since the russia collusion fell on its face.

>>135398526
T

>>135413815
The right was always as tolerant as the left. The difference is the right is honest about it.

If I could press a button and send John McCain to an alternate earth, pic attached is why I would press it. Not for either of these policies, but for the flagrant lack of principles, consistency, and sanity exposed by advocating both.

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Buggered captcha screwed me up and I forgot to reattach the image.

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>>135397472
That nigga McCain is starting to look like 2 Face. I hope he dies a swift yet painful death.

>>135399646
bah god

>>135423639
Heh. Kinda funny. The Dems are the corporate billionaire party. Check out donation patterns from the presidential election anytime you want to open your mind to a new way of thing.
Socialism is a scheme to steal from workers the wealth they gain under capitalism, the true ideology of equality.

>>135397737
He's not your friend buddy. I know your part is broken and desperate for anyone with some clout, but McCainenstein won't betray his NeoCons. If anything he'll hook you, gut you, fry you, taste you, chew you, swallow you, and shit you out.

>>135397472
>press b to bless McCain
Are you literally retarded, shill? Do you know why we press f? Are you so fucking stupid and full of yourself that you didn't fucking Google that shit? Jesus Christ, kys.

>>135398560
Holy jesus fuck you're stupid. Those of us who aren't fuck ups ensure our own coverage through jobs or private plans. We aren't opting out of them because some nigger can't afford its awful obamacare catastrophe plan. Go suck your moms tits some more. Come back when you're a goddamn adult.

>>135397472
GOP Sen. John McCain criticized GOP Sen. Rand Paul for blocking the annual defense budget bill from moving forward for a quick vote Friday, as now McCain is expected to leave for cancer treatment Monday.

Although the National Defense Authorization Act was a key item on the agenda for McCain, Paul stepped in to block the bill by requesting two amendments be added to the legislation, namely one on prohibiting indefinite detention and one on the authorization of the use of military force to fight the Islamic State.

Based Randlet.
Another great moment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiD_2ex4_Vc

>>135423367

The Dems are right there with them
Why did Obama wait add the insurance payments if profits were not high enough to Obamacare when the Reps never even got a vote on it?
Why didn't Obama make it single payer?
Why did Obama wait years to do a slight increase of taxes on the wealthy when the economy was in the toilet and he had both House and Senate

Do you really think there are 2 separate parties?
Do you think that is air you are breathing?
Grow up

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>>135417608
>using politico unironically as a source in 2017

Oh, look. It's legitimately retarded. Now I feel bad.

>>135423325
If some sickness befalls you, you will be thankful.

>>135423802
The truth is both parties are corporate billionaire parties.

>>135423846
I realize that. Doesn't change the fact he saved us this time.

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>>135400284
The poorest poorfags already had health gibs and will continue to do so. Forcing people who lost at life, and have mcjobs that don't offer insurance, into buying policies they can't afford to use helps exactly noone. If you could understand a typical home economy and bothered to price out plans on healthcare.vomit you would know how very stupid you sound right now. But you can't be bothered can you? It's easier to just carry on about how life's not fair for everyone like you really really care.

>>135423883
I know the origin of the meme, yes. The Call of Duty game. But if it's ok for us to gut the meme and go with "Press S to shit on grave", then it's ok for me to go with "Press B to bless" too.

>>135424701
We're gonna need a list on which websites we are welcome to source, because I fucking swear, no matter which site you use, someone is gonna go ">Trusting (X)"

>>135425025
Why do people who "lost at life" and have mcjobs not deserve health insurance? Realize that this is a right given to them by every civilized country other than ours.

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>>135421818
>Insurers have been jumping ship for 2 years, before Trump even announced he'd run for office, and will continue to leave or raise their prices in factors of 100%+ or more because they're stuck in obongo's "free marketplace that will have MORE choice"

>"Thanks Trump"

You are without a doubt one of the biggest idiots ITT.

>>135422712
Nancy Pelosi, the DNC chair at the time, famously said "We have to pass the bill to see what's inside it." You couldn't be further on the wrong side of history and you either have the US political parties mixed up or you're just another uneducated leaf who should shut the fuck up and stop making yourself looking stupid kek

>>135423196
>Implying shaniquan from the block passes on the cost of having her 4th child through the ER in the US

Uh...you really, really don't know how US healthcare works because those dirt-poor fucks are other covered through medicaid and it has nothing to do and gets none of it's money from ERs

>>135425186
You can source Breitbart or the Daily Caller. Or of course you can always just repeat other /pol/ users. Then you don't have to worry about sources at all because if it's accepted as fact by /pol/, it's fact.

>>135397472
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>>135425330
>Nancy Pelosi, the DNC chair at the time, famously said "We have to pass the bill to see what's inside it."
>This party did something terrible, so it's ok when we do it too.
Not how it works, buddy. Two wrongs don't make one right.

>>135406351
Saved them how? Most of those policies aren't even usuable because the holders can't afford copays and deductibles. They weren't fucking getting care anyways.

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>>135425186
It's not a "list" you need, use your common fucking sense. Just like snopes, politico is ran by literally two people sitting on a fucking couch. Get grown you dumbshit, they have about as much credibility as wikipedia and, just like wiki, no college accepts them as a valid source in any essay or thesis. There's a reason for that, you wannabe pseudo-intellectual pleb.

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>>135425521
You're just trying to re-write history like every 18 year old faggot who was still trying to find his own dick when this was actually being passed. I'm just reminding you that you're factually wrong and need to educate yourself. If you don't even know the foundation of grown-people shit, just stop spewing bullshit like you grasp what's going on because, well, you don't and you look like a moron

>>135425829
You're replying to two different people here

yay, he "saved" healthcare for about two months when he dies and gets replaced by someone who votes yes.

fucking retard jackassposting

>>135425829
Doesn't change shit. It was not ok for Nancy Pelosi to pass the bill to see what's inside it, just as it's not ok when McConnel does it now.

>>135425773
>liberals "Boomers need to die! I want a promotion!"

>b-b-but those ebil repubs are against our interests because they don't want to expand medicaid (which keeps the majority of old people alive)

Do you uneducated, unemployed mcdonald's workers flip-flop on literally any issue? Do you even know what you believe or what? You do know the rest of the logical adults are laughing at what a fucking joke you? Just double checking. You can't have your cake and eat it too, someone should've taught you hypocrites that.

>>135413715
Oh look, they had no response to this. Go figure...

>>135397472
i hope he is dead in the next 2 years

>>135407431
the motherfucker wet-fired his jet on a battleship for shits and giggles, causing a fire that killed over 120 sailors.

He's not capable of thinking about anyone but himself.

>>135397824
YOU THINK?

B timeless maverick

>>135397472
What matters is that in his final days he betrayed the voters that elected him.

>>135397824
He told McConnel that's how he was going to vote. The man is undergoing cancer treatment. He doesn't have time to bullshit about half baked revenge care bills. I'm surprised there weren't more republicans with him. It's a no brainer.

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>>135397472
MCCAIN LITERALLY HAD MIND CONTROL SURGERY REEEE

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>Health insurer Anthem is pulling out of Ohio's Affordable Care Act marketplace, a move that leaves people in a fifth of the state's counties facing the prospect of having zero insurers selling individual marketplace plans in their area next year.

>Ohio had one of the country's most competitive insurance marketplaces. In 2016, there were 17 insurers selling on the exchange in Ohio, with four offering plans state-wide. In 2017, there are still 11 insurers participating in the exchange, but 20 counties had only one insurer, according to the Ohio Department of Insurance.

>liberals: "o..o..obamacare is fine guize. really. t-t-this is better than what existed before. p-p-please listen."

kek

>>135425302
No it isn't. The countries you are referring afford that through taxation. Noone is being given anything. Also, you debate this matter under the pretense that everyone is using the ACA. That's bullshit, too. The ACA covers maybe 15% of our population. The demand would be even lower if you remove single person plans where the purchaser doesn't/can't actually use the plan because the plans are garbage. Furthermore, if you are insuring a family through obamacare you fucked up. You fucked your family over with poor planning and shortsightedness.

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>Anthem's withdrawal from Ohio's exchange — markets created by the law where people who buy individual insurance plans can take advantage of federal subsidies — will leave 10,500 people from Ohio in 18 counties with no choices, according to Ohio's Department of Insurance.

>"b-b-b-ut obamacare is saving people who had no insurance!"

remember that time before obamacare when entire counties were stripped of healthcare? yeah, me neither.

>>135426095
>grow up in suburbia
>mom is a social worker and dad is a lawyer
>people don't stop doing drugs and hitting their kids when it rains or the dollar goes down, your parents never want for work and the family is swimming in money
>parents buy you stuff you want
>parents take you places you want to go
>parents say "ok yes sweetie, ooh you're just so special"
>that's your upbringing
Yeah I'm not surprised.

>>135425773
Who's been fucking me over? My insurance is provided through employment. The plan is amazing and costs 35 bucks a week for individuals and 140 a week for a family of 4. But please, faggot, tell me more about how I vote against my interests.

>>135398560
This is just about the dumbest thing I've ever heard. If less people sign up for health insurance, it gets cheaper, nigga.

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>In other states, insurers have made requests for large rate increases. Others face the prospect of having zero option for consumers. In Iowa and Nebraska, a small midwestern insurer called Medica has been catapulted into the national spotlight as potentially the last insurer in both states' marketplaces

Sure glad obongo fixed that whole healthcare debacle...oh wait.

>>135397472
>he saved healthcare
You do know that this wasn't the only fucking try they get at repealing didn't you?

Also did you know that Trump can just cut off the money going to the exchanges without Congressional approval didn't you?

Obamacare is fucking finished and McStain's niggering won't do more than cause a short delay.

This is the closest thing to a victory shitlibs have had in a long time, but it's really not a big problem at all.

It is a bigger victory for conservatives, we now know who is a child molesting cabal freak.

>>135423186
>BTW, the insurance lobby sends their love

You realize Obamacare at least put some rules in to reign in insurance companies while Republicans are ready to let them run wild.

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>>135427373
What are you even typing? You can't debate the actual, valid points being presented so you literally just retreated into some weird mental bubble where you churn out fairy tales about how you imagine the people who disagree with you must've been raised?

That's probably the creepiest thing I've seen in a while, but you are a fucking leaf, so I wasn't really expecting much more. libshits are literal fucking autists my god

>>135397737
I always had a soft spot for him because he always told his supporters not to be afraid of Obama when he was running.

>>135427805
You realize the only time in history that insurance rates in the US doubled and tripled within the span of 1 single year...was under obamacare, right? How fucking stupid are you?

You're likely some 16 or 18 year old, because the only people who really believed what you typed are kids still on their parents healthcare plans, but I can assure you insurance rates before obamacare were about half, if not less, than they are now. There's no way to defend that pile of shit.

>>135397737
you gotta a lotta balls posting around here commie filth

>>135397472
press f to drop that muthafucking traitor cyborg. FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF.

>>135409320
Where do they find shills like you? Were you bred in jerusalem?

>>135397472
>saved the healthcare
is that the codeword for fucked over the middle class now

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Anyone who triggers nu-/pol/ this much is a god damn hero, full stop.

>>135428653
Stfu traitor faggot. Kys.

>>135397472
THE HERO WE DONT DESERVE

Why not simple wait him die and vote the obama care shit again.

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>>135397472
can someone give me a quick rundown on why does /pol/ like neocon mccain now all of a sudden?

>>135428099
Many more niggers and spics per capita use King Niggercare.

Yes in coal country, where Obama shut down all the mines, whites are suffering, but unlike spics and niggers they don't think that handouts are a right.

They didn't vote Trump for gibs, they voted for him knowing that jobs are preferable from dirty gibs licked out of the palm of king nigger.

Here's that you, retard.

>>135397737
>>135424961
He's just doing this because Trump utterly cock blocked his efforts to start yet another coalition effort in the Middle East desu.

>>135429042
He voted no on repealing Obamacare without a better proposed replacement
With that said, I don't speak for /pol/, only for myself

>>135429042
We don't, it's just CTR and the deep state faggots thinking this is a victory.

It's not, Trump will just cut off the exchange bailouts and all Obamacare recipients will be cut off. Even deep state faggots aren't paid highly enough to pay for their hormone pills, and Obama put every mentally ill tranny he could find into the intelligence services.

They're chock full of of nutjobs who need YOUR money to keep their hormones flowing.

>>135427579
Yeah, but at least McCain saved the dems like this asshole said >>135424961

Could have been a real political nightmare for the DNC. True American hero.

>>135429329
thanks its just insane that it just felt so strange seeing many people here all of sudden supporting mccain and obamacare

>>135429518
It was easier to hate on Obamacare until we realized there have been no better alternatives proposed

The real thing is that Mccain might have accidentally saved the republicans and Trump. Had the repeal been reamed through, it would've given Democrats a taking point they can rally behind, unlike know where their is divisions whether they should go for the middle class or care about transgenders in the military.

Now if and when Obamacare stumbles, the republicans can simply blame Democrats for not negotiating with them, and say to their voters (who many of which are partisan) that more republicans can outweigh the 2 republicans (seeing as Mccain doesn't have long) that vote against their peers.

>>135429669
There's certainly at least some truth to what you say. I'm convinced that there would be a lot of Republicans having a real hard time in 2018 if they managed to pass this repeal. In saving Obamacare, he may have also saved the Republican senate.

>>135397472
>saved healthcare for tens of millions of people

This statement shows how retarded you are.


Obamacare offers health insurance, not healthcare. You may have health Insurance under Obamacare but many cant afford to use it. Many of the exchanges within the next 2 years will have one or zero choices for insurgence providers. The deductible and premiums will be so high yo might as well have nothing. The Dems want to put everyone on medicare, with the government controlling how much hospitals get in payment through your gubbament handout it means less quality care, coverage, innovation and an overall a shit system. Think more along the lines of the VA medical care.

If you think Obamacare is a "win" for anyone but slugs who don't work and neets who don't have any money your a moron.

>>135397737

Yeah he did save our asses, but he likes to say one thing and do another.

Theres probably no chance that he will run for Senator again at this point so he really should stand up for what he believes

>>135429571
The market prior to obamacare was provably better. Better price, better coverage, better care, before faggots with no jobs thought they had a right to a product everyone else put money into because "Reasons." Fuck outta here.

>>135397737
Obamacare is crippling the middle class. But gibs don't care because they get theirs. Blue Midterm has to be the biggest joke ever. Pro-Trump candidates will pick up many seats no matter their party.

>>135429904
It is unfortunate, failure shouldn't be rewarded but it is.

Probably the reason why Trump is saying 'Let it fail', because the republicans have basically killed Obamacare in all but name by taking out the mandate, so simply watching it burn with the name "Obamacare" will make the average joe blame the party that gave them Obama rather than the party that killed the bill

>>135399643

Trump dug that hole himself

>>135397472
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>>135397472
S to shit on his grave. Fuck you, McCain.

>>135397472
How about you sorry ass losers pay for your own shit and quit leeching off society?

>>135413377
If you don't own a car, you are not forced to carry car insurance,nitwit.

>>135430259
>how dare Drumpf insult John Dindu McCain, the POW war hero who definitely didn't rat on his fellow soldiers and get his copilot killed by ignoring direct orders, then parlaying this betrayal into a career as a politician who pushes for war anytime Israel snaps its fingers

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>>135397472

it was McCain's Finest Hour. Watching that closeted queen McConnell eat shit on national TV was worth it, finally payback for all the vicious backstabbing that bastard is guilty of for 30 years, he is an Enemy of the People and deserves to be drawn and quartered on live TV

>>135431745
Right so what McCain did.

>saved healthcare
>by ensuring a failing system which is ballooning costs at a faster rate than they were before continues
All keeping the ACA around does is force the fit, healthy and adaptive to pay more and more to support dysgenic dregs that contribute nothing to our society except problems.

>>135399646

https://youtu.be/TAYxq0OqTE4

>>135397472
I want to kill him and his entire family.

>>135431862
You realize that this isn't the only chance at a repeal don't you?

How about this, Trump finally stops the exchange bailouts like he's been saying he will do for months, and Obamacare collapses? He will do it.

>blessing neocon soros shill

>>135429904
>if we lose, we win

>>135431862
McCain only did this because Trump cucked him in Syria though. He's not on the peoples' side.

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>>135397472
You are a true retard faggot. Those 10 million people would have all died before now anyway if it weren't for government life support that kept them alive into their 20's and 30's. Those people are a drain on the world and should fucking die yesterday.

Why don't you put out a stat about how much more expensive insurance became for the rest of us. Fucking cost's more annually than my house and 3 cars combined. Used to cost less than the house. The UCA( unaffordable care act) is DOA. Its just some greedy jews draining the last drops of blood out of the middle class so they can literally fucking buy and sell you as cattle for their demon worship rituals.

Liberals should be gassed. Fuck them.

>>135399646
>As the richest opt out, health care be
>>135397472

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSxwR9kCbZ0

remember this? LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GvpsNR6OBQ

BASED MCCAIN!

Thank you for your service, sir!

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>>135432171

of course, Defund Defang and Delay is the perennial strategy of the obstructionist do-nothing repugs

But at least after this farce the American people can see what an empty suit the GOP are, 7 years to come up with a 'plan' and pffft guess what, its just another tax cut! hahahahahahah

>>135397472
Is it true that he's a cyborg now?

>>135431421

if you dont own a body, you dont need health insurance either,

>>135397472
You're right about blessing him, but wrong about the reasons. He prevented watered down Obamacare, paving the way for real conservative healthcare reforms. This is just Trump doing rothschild&co's bidding.

Obama went against them with a) his ambivalence/ courage against Israel b) his healthcare reforms helping poor people out and costing a load of money. I'm not saying Obama was a good guy, there hasn't been a good US President (uncontrolled) in the last couple of centuries, and when good ones appear (Kennedy, Lincoln) they get offed quickly for not toeing the line.

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>>135397472
B

Always made fun of him but that was an alpha powermove.
HEIL MCCAIN, YOU WILL BE REMEMBERED!

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>>135424766
>first world
Checked.
This.
It's disgusting you americans could basically be drowned in debt because of some health issues.

>>135433160
>alpha powermove

He literally did it out of beta rage towards Trump. Trump derailed his FSA funding.

>>135433435
This, so much. Government efficiency will bring down costs. Healthcare doesn't actually cost that much, the money all goes to the 1%.

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>Average Individual Health Insurance Premiums Increased 99% Since 2013, the Year Before Obamacare, & Family Premiums Increased 140%, According to eHealth.com Shopping Data

>eHealth reports that average premiums for people not receiving Obamacare subsidies were $393 for individual coverage and $1,021 for family coverage during the first two months of open enrollment; in 2013 individual premiums averaged $197, or $426 for families

>Average individual premium: $393 per month for an individual not receiving subsidies in the first two months of the 2017 open enrollment period. In 2013, the year before major Obamacare provisions came into effect, the average individual premium was $197 per month. Between 2013 and the first two months of the 2017 open enrollment period, average individual premiums have increased 99%

>Average family premium: $1,021 per month for a family not receiving subsidies in the first two months of the 2017 open enrollment period. In 2013, the year before major Obamacare provisions came into effect, the average family’s premium was $426 per month

Just a reminder, obamacare fucked anyone employed/with a job, anyone who had a better health plan before it was enacted, and anyone who pays deductibles for the health care. But, hey, it "covered" a few random fucks on paper (don't pay attention to the fact that they likely can't afford deductibles to actually receive healthcare but it "feels" good, right?)

>>135433745
This. The healthcare lobby has room much power over our government. What we need to do is give more power to the government. When they have complete control over healthcare, they'll be incorruptible.

>>135398560
This is your brain on leftism.

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>>135397472
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>Stacey and Eddie Albert lead pretty healthy lives. She's a nutritionist. He's a personal trainer. They rarely go to the doctor, other than their annual physicals.

>For years, they were covered by Horizon Blue Cross Blue Shield of New Jersey. In 2013, they paid about $360 a month for a plan that met their needs.

>That all changed the following year, when Obamacare took effect. Their premium shot up to around $650 a month for a policy that came with pediatric dental coverage and maternity services -- benefits they didn't use or want since they don't have kids. They ended up dropping the plan after several months and even went a year without coverage for the first time in the decade they've been together, exactly the opposite of what Obamacare was supposed to do.

>http://money.cnn.com/2017/03/31/news/economy/obamacare-health-care-plans/index.html

>liberal kids still on their parents' plan will still say "obama was, like, soooo progressive with his healthcare plan, maaannnnn."

kek

>>135433745
>government efficiency
That's a joke right?

>>135434612
See the mistake these two made was working. Obamacare is great if you're a poor piece of shit. If you actually have a job, you have to support all of those poor pieces of shit.

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>>135434001
>VA found numerous times dumping patient files in dumpsters by the thousands without even looking at them

>VA housed in-care patients in buidings where the ceilings were literally rotting with mold and mildew

This is the future you want, faggot? Because that's what happens when government takes over healthcare.

>>135434612
I know some people that are in a similar situation, personal trainer, owned his own gym for years, his wife does the same and is also a nutritionist. Eventually he lost his gym, had to take his clients to 24/7 fitness, lost his clients because the gym sucked, and had to get a job as a delivery truck driver. THANKS OBAMA.

>>135434860
I am poor not a piece of shit, I work three jobs to barely scrape by. Disabled at my last shitty job because the influx of Indians who stole all the tech jobs. I can barely afford to eat. If you don't want me purging the 1% then they can provide healthcare with some of their luxury money.

People who aren't going hungry while working everyday have no right to complain. Stop shilling for the ultra rich and make them pay their share and you won't have unreasonable costs in the upper and middle class.

Without the poor, you have no fucking food or gas. So stop bitching.

>>135435373
No it's what happens when there are government sponsorships without oversight, retard. Look at roads in Detroit vs. a well kept city. You live in a capitalist society. Until you throw away enforced property pricing and your economic system, you will pay taxes. Don't like it, start a revolution.

>>135397472
>>>>/b/

>>135436101
>Disabled at my last shitty job

>>135433074
I don't own a nigger or an illegal, but I have to subsidize these bastards healthcare ?
Give me a damn break, you granola crunchin' hippie dipshit.

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>>135436304
>VA
>one of the most regulated and overseen healthcare systems in the world
>literally a multi-trillion dollar operation

>"b-b-b-but that's not what happens."

Ok, idiot. You can lead a horse to water, blah blah blah. Stay stupid I guess? But stop thinking government taking over shit is the answer to your dreams because it couldn't be further from the truth. Don't like it? Start a revolution you nu-commie faggot. We'll all sit and laugh at you even more than we already are.

>>135397472
People jumping off roofs in NYC because they can't afford the current health care plan.

BUT MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WOULD DIE IF WE GOT RID OF THIS OVERLY EXPENSIVE AND UTTERLY SHIT HEALTHCARE THAT ONLY CATERS TO PEOPLE WHO ARE SO FUCKING POOR THEY MIGHT AS WELL DIE ANYWAY FOR CONTRIBUTING LITTLE TO NOTHING TO OVERALL SOCIETY.

Explain to me again why we give a fuck about humans that aren't productive or are more prone to disease?

McCain is going to die soon lol

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>>135437637
Because "feelings" and "reasons." Duh.

>>135436101
You are starving ( If you are to be believed ) but you are posting on a Chinese pet care board. with internet access.

>>135439588
Did you know that 99% of poor people own a REFRIGERATOR!?