/lrg/ LIBERTARIAN RIGHT GENERAL

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>I agree with Hans-Hermann Hoppe, the elder Murray Rothbard and many other libertarians that libertarianism is a right-wing movement and that our leftist elements are useful idiots at best, and a cancer that can only be cured by one-way helicopter rides at the far more likely worst.

>When every effort analyze our political problems are met with accusations of racism, sexism and homophobia. When every demographic disparity is considered a hate crime and when libertarianism’s core demographic, namely white heterosexual males is systematically emasculated, denigrated and eradicated from the face of the planet, intellectual inquiry, economic stability and prospects for a libertarian society dwindle to zero

>Here’s the truth that almost nobody has the courage to say: The reason why you are surrounded by almost entirely white males at libertarian events is because white males, with very few exceptions are about the only demographic capable of managing a libertarian society. That means in order for a libertarian society to exist, those white males will have to make their women subordinate and non whites will have to be largely if not entirely excluded from that society.

>Luckily, libertarianism provides us with the perfect mechanism for doing this in the form of property rights. When we talk about a libertarian society, a true libertarian society absent the state, there is no such thing as public property. We are talking about total privatization of all resources, especially land. At which point discussion about public policy becomes rather pointless. We do not vote who gets to come across borders. The property owners decide unilaterally who they allow in and who they exclude.

>Sadly we don’t live in a libertarian society and so we do have to take an interest into public policy if we ever wish to find ourselves living in one. For example the discussion of immigration seems to be a big division between the left and right of libertarianism. Regardless of any real or perceived legitimacy of the institution, The united states federal government is rather powerful and controls land masses commonly referred to as borders. For the united states to open those borders to every man woman and child throughout the world, to subsidise their breeding within these borders and to do all of that at our expense is a far greater violation of the non aggression principle than it is to exclude those people from our society. The common misconception of the left-libertarian is that so long as the government controls a resource that resource must be freely available to all. This is foolish, it is precisely why governments are inefficient and destructive mechanisms for organising human society. No such condition could exist in a society based on private property. Who could imagine in a stateless world that all of humanity could simultaneously exploit a resource without completely depleting its value or doing violence to one another in the process, this is what we commonly call the tragedy of the commons. Privatization eliminates this tragic phenomenon but until that privatization occurs it is imperative to our very survival that governments act as good stewards of these resources on behalf of their true owners; the taxpayers. That means a great deal of discrimination and violence done in defense thereof.

>While I think we can all agree as libertarians that war is horrible and should be avoided in every reasonably possible way, it does not mean that we are compelled to leave ourselves defenseless against invasion be it by waves of hungry immigrants or by foreign military just because taxation is theft.

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>Open Borders Are an Assault on Private Property | Lew Rockwell
https://mises.org/library/open-borders-are-assault-private-property
>Open Borders: A Libertarian Reappraisal | Lew Rockwell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5wZjdEl9F8
>Nations by Consent | Murray Rothbard
https://mises.org/sites/default/files/11_1_1_0.pdf
>Natural Order, the State, and the Immigration Problem | Hans-Hermann Hoppe
https://mises.org/system/tdf/16_1_5.pdf?file=1&type=document

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>Libertarianism is a tool of Zionism

STOP GLOBALISM.
ABOLISH CENTRAL BANKING.
END THE FED.
GAS THE STATE
NONE of this helps Zionist control. We challenge power more than any National Socialists think they do.


>"The Jewish Question" by Life Love and ANARCHY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1jtKNs5q2o
>Documenting Anti-Semitism Within the Libertarian Movement:
https://chelm.freeyellow.com/libertarianproblem.html
Even our favored jews are blasted for being token jews, anti-semites and racists by jews in high places.

You can point out Rothbard (pbuh) was a jew, but you can find no link to zionism or bolshevism. I dare you to call the libertarian philosophy a tool of zionism. bring your evidence fag.

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State enforced "morality" is pure degeneracy.

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>>135392767
Rothbard and mises are /lrg/ approved, the rest can fuck off.

>135392767
>NAZIS MADE-TO-MEASURE FOR ZIONISM

>In 1925, Germany's 500,000 Jews were overwhelmingly indifferent or actively hostile to Zionism. The German Zionist movement had only 9000 members.

>The "Central Union of Germans of the Jewish Faith " represented most German Jews and favored active participation in German life. Its main focus was combating anti-Semitism.

>Zionists, on the other hand, welcomed the Nazis' anti Semitic policies. Like the Nazis, they believed in race-based national character and destiny. Like the Nazis, they believed Jews had no future in Germany.

>The Zionists did not protest Nazi persecution such as the removal of 2000 Jewish scholars and scientists from German universities in 1933. The Nazis rewarded this "restraint" by allowing the Zionists to go about their work unhindered. All other Jewish and anti fascist organizations were disbanded and their leaders imprisoned.

>The Nazis required all Jews to join the Zionist-led "Reich Union" whose goal was emigration. Jews were to be converted to Zionism at any cost. The Zionists were able to publish books and newspapers critical of the Nazis so long as the audience was restricted to Jews.

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>>135393330
>The cooperation extended to political and economic spheres. Adolph Eichmann set up agricultural training camps in Austria to prepare young Jews for Kibbutz life. He visited Palestine and conferred with Zionist leaders who confessed their true expansionist goals. There was even talk of a strategic alliance between Nazi Germany and Jewish Palestine. His report is in Himmler's Archives.

>[For more on Zionist-Nazi cooperation, see online Lenni Brenner "Zionism in the Age of Dictators" Also, Lenni Brenner, 51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis (2002)]

>The cooperation may have extended to the Jewish Holocaust and explain why most Jews passively accepted their fate. In his book, "The Holocaust Victims Accuse" Rabbi Moshe Shonfeld claims that Zionist- led Jewish Councils ("Judenrats") collaborated with the Nazis and deceived non Zionist Jews. See my "Zionism: Compulsory Suicide for Jews."

>Europe's non-Zionist Jews were worth more dead than alive to Zionists and their financial sponsors. The Holocaust provided a political and moral rationale for the establishment of the Jewish state.

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Hoppe on private defense

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Yet another cringeworthy ancap-teenager circlejerk thread.

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>>135394111
Says the edgy fascist-teenager

>>135392224
Why did Ghost get suspended on twitter and why isnt he doing his show anyway? I want to hear him talk about the shit that has been happening.

Ron Paul 2012 is forever.

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>>135394111
Eat shit faggot

>>135394391
I could never get into that show, sorry m8

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>>135394422
>being so dumb you think a CIA-installed dictator was an AnCap

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libertarians are transhumanist scum, the enemy of humanity

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3472Q6kvg0

>>135394657
No body thinks that retard. Go fuck your self, welfare bum lover

>>135394879
Fuck that, it's you fags that are gonna demand civil rights for robots

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>>135394111
Fascists get the helicopter too

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>>135394949
How do you plan to compete with a 400 IQ designer baby?
This is the future the market demands. Eugenics taken to it's logical conclusion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Fl27wKaGFw

>>135394949
>demand civil rights for robots
If a machine displays all the signifiers of conciousness then who are we, as biological machines, to deny them rights?

>>135395289
Lol, this is exactly what I'm talking about. You guys are fags.

>>135395126
Show me a real 400iq baby and then we'll talk.

>>135395378
Not an argument

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>>135395412
We'll be mass producing them in the next 50 years.
Humanity will be finished

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EI-uVZwoIW8

>>135392224
open border scum need to go off themselves

alternatively just go live with the nigs who you love so much, they'll do it for you

Hey guys, maltabro here, so yesterday I met and has a nice chat with Hans Herman hoppe, I'm in a conference on economy and at 4 will be hoppes turn, I'll do an ama if people are interested in like 5 hours

>>135395717
Damn right.

>>135395806
Fuck yeah my man

>>135395419
There's no argument to be made, you hate humanity, you love mindless slaves. You'd be happy too replace humanity.

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>>135395956
>There's no argument to be made

Yes, because you have an IQ of 90

>>135394949
Exactly my thought... like libs wouldn't be the first to demand rights for "conscious"AI. They would be the first to voice their support. Just like they do withababsolutely everything else.

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>>135395956
So would the free market, if given a chance

Turns out human being aren't the most efficient thing possible

>>135396329
Humans demand other real humans. Only fags like you would mandate such an eradication.

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>>135396847
The people that get the cranial implants, body modifications, gene therapies will be the most successful in the marketplace. A plain old unmodified human will be nothing more than an obsolete zoo animal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RlSgnpLbro

>>135397063
Ah I see that you are autistic. My condolences to your family.

Nah, it'll be more like "hey, check out this anime nerd with an iPhone implanted in his arm" "lol what a fag, now let's go fuck some regular non toaster implanted chicks"

If you create a libertarian general instead of a libertarian right general, I shall participate.

>>135397063
>The people that get the cranial implants, body modifications, gene therapies
>me no question, what is there to lose?

>>135397668
I don't want left libertarians to participate

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>>135397681
Humanity will not long be the epitome of intelligence on this earth. We can create any variety of post-human organisms in a laboratory that far surpass human limitations.

Whoever creates the largest brain will dominate this world. Say goodbye to humanity, everything you care about will be subsumed into the rising transhumanist machine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYAPgPH9hsI

>>135395289
Automatons are created by Man, not by God. They are property and thus are not entitled to any rights.

>>135395717
>open borders
We're not the ones who passed the Civil Rights Act and other kikery.

>>135397668
>b-but who'd'st'll've build the designated shitting streets?

>>135398911
Kek, poo in loos confirmed for extinction in AnCapistan.

>>135398769
Nah, you just support kikery like that because MUH FREEDOM.

captcha: millstone banks

>>135399462
We literally don't support that shit, we don't believe in an abstract freedom of movement, just as there is no such freedom of speech. What we believe in is property rights.

People do not vote who gets to come across borders, property owners dictate who can and cannot come in.

Have yourself a read of these posts if you don't want to sound like a total retard.
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>>135399462
Also purging of communists is a meme in Ancap. Communists/Muslims/Jews/Non whites every-single one of them are welcome to every right you have you can just say don't walk on my property and that's about it.

Hollywood and the media establishment will continue to exist and push for anti-white things, since they both make plenty of money

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>>135400183
It's not a meme, those incapable of reciprocating such property rights forfeit their own rights. In the case of communists they are aggressors by admission of their own doctrine. What exactly do you think "seize the means of production" means? I'll tell you what it means; theft.

>Inb4 huurrr what if commies are peaceful?
They are never peaceful, abolishing property implies the initiation of the use of force.

See
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>>135401158
I kekd

>>135400846
>It's not a meme, those incapable of reciprocating such property rights forfeit their own rights. In the case of communists they are aggressors by admission of their own doctrine. What exactly do you think "seize the means of production" means? I'll tell you what it means; theft.
No it is a meme since that's only if they make a overtly aggressive threats with evidence they actually do mean to invade and kill. A commie commune has it's right to existence since the very thing ancap is built on is non aggression. If there was an openly whites only community the black village next door can't just randomly attack them justifying the attack as this white community was a threat

it's a big fucking joke

>>135402142
Again your implying that these commies are not violating anyone's rights, theoretically possible as it may be you and I know commies can't simply leave you alone. They are parasites that have to suck resources from the productive. If commies could form a voluntary community and not be a violent parasitic gang then fine. However this has never been the case, as long as the state exists and public policy these cunts make affect us they are using aggression. We have every right to assume threat and subjugate the communists to the extent of our ability.

>>135399462
False.
Even Rothbard was against the Civil Wrongs Act.

>>135402748
>Again your implying that these commies are not violating anyone's rights
Correct voicing your opinion in ancap is not aggression unless you count free speech as aggressive in which case it's entirely moral to go kill someone over a twitter post since that could be taken as a threat. But then that brings in the case of microaggressions

> If commies could form a voluntary community and not be a violent parasitic gang then fine
There you go ancap is fine with communism like i said removal is all a big meme. Until their lining up at your gates you can't lay a finger on them. Unless that is you want to btfo out of your non aggression ideology and admit that might makes right and people who think differently must be purged in which case you need some kind of funded purging unit with little privacy laws. Or something along those lines

>We have every right to assume threat and subjugate the communists to the extent of our ability.
Nope non aggression unless their armed and making regular threats against your commune you "can't" attack them. You have every right to defend yourselves and to be armed, but you don't have the "right" to be overtly aggressive with anyone who disagrees with you on the basis of "they may be a threat". Unless you want to discard the nap your screwed

>>135403056
These idiots don't understand liberty as you and I do. They think freedom means no responsibility or consequences for our actions. They have the same understanding as leftists.

>>135403442
>Freedom of speech
We don't believe in freedom of speech, only liberals do. We believe in responsibility for your actions, that includes facing the consequences of making threats.

>>135403795
Yeah exactly. If someone makes a vaguely threatening or directive twitter post that is justification for killing him.

In which case a million other micro-aggressions come up and all of them are a justification for killing. Some guy was angry and spoke too loud to you. Shoot him he was a potential threat.
The libertarian community was spreading leaflets around about having a small government back. Invade and kill them since they were a potential threat because they wanted the government back and it was only a matter of time before they got enough support

What part of non aggression pact do you not see?

If you lived in a community where people were killed for making threats you would not threaten people. You would be forced to act rationally and be kind to others. Yes all the aggressive impulsive people should be killed off. They incite the violence. I don't have a problem with that.

>>135404624
>If you lived in a community where people were killed for making threats you would not threaten people. You would be forced to act rationally and be kind to others. Yes all the aggressive impulsive people should be killed off. They incite the violence. I don't have a problem with that.

So once again communists who don't make threats are totally fine proving Ancap removal is a meme since communists are allowed to exist. And only the aggressive ones are removed. Unless you do some mental gymnastics and say by simply being a communist your being overtly aggressive enough to justify actually gunning people and children down (even a small dude weed nudist hippie commune) in which case everything from libertarians to theocracies have got to be purged since they threaten the status quo of anarchy

>>135405090
Yes I am telling you, abolishing property is aggression. Abolishing private property is the definition of communism. And so communism is aggression.

The small peaceful hippe communes won't exist, not because I would find it just to kill them, but because they lack the stability to defend their property. They will be too poor to pay others to protect them. It's just a failing model. They will be out competed.

All the shit you're going on about is possible in theory, but it will never happen.

>>135405090
You're also forgetting that in a libertarian society, absent the state there is no such thing as public property. All properties will belong to a proprietor who has absolute control of what goes down on his property. That proprietor can remove you just because he doesn't like your face if he wants.

>>135405090
Communists are a threat because their ideology stems from takeover of the means of production by any means necessary (especially violence) and forceful redistribution of property in order to abolish private property, hence commies violate the NAP by their very existence. What part of that is so difficult to understand?

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>>135406151
Spekr puts you in Purple by default. Do a normalfag test then I'll rate.

>>135392224

Why are objectivists welcome in this thread when most of them are open borders advocates? Why do you link a book by David Friedman, an open borders advocate?

>>135405568
>Yes I am telling you, abolishing property is aggression. Abolishing private property is the definition of communism. And so communism is aggression.
Wrong people willingly living in a communist commune not making threats is not aggressive. Your going though some mental gymnastics in that case libertarians wishing for the government back have also got to be purged since they threaten your total freedom.

> but because they lack the stability to defend their property.
Who's to say this hippie commune doesn't have guns. And surly these roving gangs of bandits you say would remove them would be removed by someone else for being a threat to the local community, since if there really is a mad max tier gang, they would be raiding local roads and isolated towns in which case you wouldn't live anywhere but a city if these bandits really existed. And if not your actually allowing mad max gangs running around your country which is laughable and comparable to Somalia which you guys always say won't happen.

> They will be too poor to pay others to protect them. It's just a failing model. They will be out competed.
They have the right to their commune. And if you argue coca cola would just go and purge them for more land you've destroyed your non aggression part of Ancap and proven Might makes Right.
Who's going to remove them if they grow their own food and weed? Are you advocating for killing people who disagree with you. Surely the catholic church would have to be removed then, since they swear loyalty to the pope and """""indoctrinate""""" people into following the church and not anarchism just like communism does

>>135406423
Please read all of this
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>>135392356
I remember you from another thread. You should understand why opening the borders and forcing the taxpayer to subsidies every man woman and child that comes this way if a far greater violation of the non aggression principle than it is to exclude those people.

End the welfare state and abolish civil rights and then we can talk about ending state controlled borders.

>>135407166

Opening borders violates nobody's individual rights. The violation of the non-aggression principle occurs when the government taxes you. Someone crossing America's illegitimate national borders is not a violation of the non-aggression principle.

>>135406457
Show me the successful, prosperous communist society that could not only compete with capitalist societies, but also did so without compulsion.

Even if they can act peacefully in theory (which has never been shown to be the case) they will never be able to compete with capitalists.

Sure they have a right not to be fucked with if they are truly non aggressive. But they'll fuck themselves, unless you have Brilliant argument for the pragmatic nature of communism.

>>135407457
Right the people crossing are not the aggressors, the state is when they force us to subsidies their breeding.

Seriously do read that shit. At very least watch Lew Rockwell's open borders: a libertarian reappraisal and address the argument he makes.

Wall of Text : The Board

>>135407570
>Show me the successful, prosperous communist society that could not only compete with capitalist societies, but also did so without compulsion.
They don't have to compete they just have to exist. Just like homosexuals simply by them existing they are harming society however their doing it non aggressively

communism doesn't need a state to spread

>>135407831

Exactly, the state is the aggressor, not the immigrants. So when you demand tight immigration policy, you're the one demanding violence against innocent people.

>>135407844
>white people don't need to compete with the rest of the world they can just exist! It's not like they're becoming a minority and dying off!

You're a fool if you believe that.

Regardless in a private property society proprietors have no obligation to tolerate communism, homosexuality, or anything else they find distasteful.

>>135407971
Opening the borders is an aggression against my property, they take my money, my labor to pay for their welfare, healthcare schools ect ect.

Please watch Lew, you'll understand how opening the borders is a greater aggression than excluding immigrants.

>>135403492
Can't blame them, if they have faulty examples pushed forward by the communists.

>>135403442
Free speech isn't free. You're not free to spread ideas that threaten the natural order, not even on your own property.

>>135407839
It's the only thread with actual political discussion.

>>135407457
The borders were drawn by blood in the sand in the south and contracts with Russia and British Canada in the North.
As long as there's any public property in a country, that country should only accept the best of the best of other countries' people, not any woman-killing Somalian nigger who just wants gibs.
I bet you think LARPen Roads is a reasonable person.

>>135408084
>white people don't need to compete with the rest of the world they can just exist! It's not like they're becoming a minority and dying off!

I never said that stop putting words in my mouth you autist. I said in ancap a small self sufficient communist commune doesn't have to compete with coca cola to exist.

How will the Amish exist if they don't have factories?!?

>Regardless in a private property society proprietors have no obligation to tolerate communism, homosexuality, or anything else they find distasteful.
They don't have too have them on their property. but all the homosexuals would still very much exist on other peoples propertys. Or have we forgotten that Hollywood Jews with billions of dollars will continue to make films which make millions more.

People need to understand a couple of things: being libertarian doesn't mean agreeing with transgenderism, 56 genders ideology, gays, drug abuse, owning guns....it means letting people do that even though you find that wrong. It means respecting one's freedom to the fullest. I, for one, think e.g. "changing your sex" is pure idiotism, but I'd allow it. It doesn't harm me. Maybe I'm tottaly wrong about them. Who the hell knows?

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>>135408790
nibba you letting them do it is one thing, but you have a full right to refuse them service or terminate a contract with them.
if you're their security provider and they chop their dick off, you have a right to simply stop protecting them

>>135408297

Lew Rockwell is retarded.

Again, no violence is occurring when someone passes through national borders. The violence occurs when the government taxes you. If you were actually libertarian, you would attack the government, not the immigrants. Instead you want to allow the government to claim the right to dictate who passes through its illegitimate national borders. You want to legitimize government authority.

>>135408790
And there's your problem gays and transgenders spread. If you expose people to these conditions they spread

It's no wonder liberal families have more gay kids since they're raised in a way that encourages it. A "victimless" crime still hurts the moral standing off a community and the future morality of the children

>>135408591

>The borders were drawn by blood in the sand in the south and contracts with Russia and British Canada in the North.

Which means those borders are illegitimate according to libertarian property theory.

>>135408890
>mild
"seize the means of production" is open calling for property crime, thus that person should be physically removed IN THE LEAST. Killed if they resist, there can be no tolerance.
And that's some of the tamer shit those vermin say. Again, no tolerance.
What some ausfag says about loud speech being threatening is of no consequence because the only people threatened by such things are women and have no business being online unless they're pregnant.

>>135409020
The immigrants vote for bigger government, as it is the government that allows them to pass in the first place. Furthermore, they artificially bump up demand for goods (including public services that haven't been abolished yet) and thus make everything worse for everybody.
As long as there's any public property, immigration should be as tight as possible.

>>135408980
Absolutely. I'm just trying to break the myth of libertarians being some sort of SJWs who adore all this shit. Most of the libertarians I know aren't fans of what /pol/ calls degeneracy, they just wouldn't hang those people immediately. I'd allow all of that, but, as you said, I want to be able to refuse to have any bussines with those people, without explanation (very important).

>>135409337
Once again mental gymnastics a small weed smoking hippie commune is not going to go kill you. They are going to peacefully convince people to become communists. The teachings of marxist respected schools and the media still exist in ancap.

If you believe that then libertarians pushing for the government to return must be purged. Along with Catholics pushing for increased church control. All of this peacefully and non aggressively

removal is a big fucking meme you like to sprout but it only happens when their lining up guns at your house

>>135409020
>Lew Rockwell is retarded
Is Rothbard retarded to you? Because Lews presentation is just a rundown on Rothbard's Nations by consent.

>The common misconception of the left-libertarian is that so long as the government controls a resource that resource must be freely available to all. This is foolish, it is precisely why governments are inefficient and destructive mechanisms for organising human society. No such condition could exist in a society based on private property. Who could imagine in a stateless world that all of humanity could simultaneously exploit a resource without completely depleting its value or doing violence to one another in the process, this is what we commonly call the tragedy of the commons. Privatization eliminates this tragic phenomenon but until that privatization occurs it is imperative to our very survival that governments act as good stewards of these resources on behalf of their true owners; the taxpayers. That means a great deal of discrimination and violence done in defense thereof.

>>135409493

"Illegal" immigrants don't vote. Even most legal immigrants vote. Native-born Americans are the ones voting in politicians and creating the current state of affairs. Native born Americans, more than anybody else, are the ones using government services and accepting transfer payments. You right-wing faux-libertarians are again trying to justify government violence against peaceful individuals.

>>135409151
They were drawn in a conflict and an agreement was decided that they should be maintained.
Now both parties (U.S. and Mexico's governments) are squeamish at best at doing their job in maintenance, so unless they plan on privatising everything (which is the only way to really stop taxation), they are doomed to the commons being divided among more people who through voting will try to take away private property from its owners.
If you want to avoid this, privatise everything and then national borders will be the borders between American property owners and Mexican property owners, each with a right to exclude people at will.

>>135409097
But so what if they spread? Who are you to deny them that right. You are nomire human than they are. You spread too if you are superior as you claim, but let them do their thing too. Victimless crimes hurt you? Poor boy, don't cry. Victimless crime is BS, maybe I don't like your haircut, it hurts me.

>>135409644

Are you serious? Government are stewards of our resources? Rothbard, more than anybody else, understood that the state is the most criminal institution in society. And no, national resources aren't owned by taxpayers. Rockwell or 90s Rothbard apparently don't understand libertarian property theory. Did you do any homesteading for those resources? Then how can you claim that you own a share in them?

The "libertarian right" actually think thought crime should be punishable. Can y'all stop calling yourselves libertarian?

>>135409588
If a hippie commune spreading communism "peacefully" is weak enough to be subdued or destroyed, I say it should be.
If they're too strong or otherwise the costs of a takeover outweigh the benefits, they should be subverted like America was in the 60s.
The libertarians who want a small government will be comfortable with the system of the natural order, where tenants live on micromonarchs' lands.

>>135409772
You're trolling at this point.

>>135410170
/leftypol/ get out.

>>135410076
I personally own a share because my income was stolen to provide those services.

Those who write off late Rothbard as an old kook are without exception a cancer on the movement.

>>135410317

>defending the actual libertarian position against statist faux-libertarians who want to use government violence against immigrants is "trolling"

>>135410401

Statists authoritarians like you who are posing as libertarians are the cancer to the movement

>>135410474
>government violence
It's a security force provided for by taxpayers to defend their property (public property, which is paid for by them).
I bet you don't support privatisation of net welfare recipients, commie.

>>135410627

>Government is a "security force" to defend property

You claim to admire Rothbard but you don't even understand Rothbard 101

>>135409830
>But so what if they spread?
"Transgenders are fine by me, i literally don't care if 99% of the world are mentally ill. just not on my property ;)"
This is you
>Who are you to deny them that right
Then who are ancaps to take out peaceful communist communes? Oh right I forgot they actually are fine with communists just not on their property or making threats. Making the whole removal aspact a large joke
>You are nomire human than they are
I am mentally sane they are not.
> You spread too if you are superior as you claim
Then how did communism spread though the lower classes in America if communism is so inferior surely antifa shouldn't even exist. It's not like the media has an effect on people at all and there are many international forces constantly at play
> Victimless crimes hurt you? Poor boy, don't cry
Strawman. Seeing gay people increases the amount of "people" who come out. I guarantee you Sweden and Germany and the more free society's have the highest rates of homosexuality/transsexuality around

>>135410587
Read Rothbard faggot. Don't close your eyes because you dont like what you see.

>>135410969

I have read Rothbard, statist. Anatomy of the State was an eye opener for me. None of his sincere libertarian writing justifies government violence against immigrants.

>>135410739
It's paid for by stolen money, so it better fuckin do its job.

>>135410779
>more strawmen
I bet trannies will be delighted when they cut their dicks off and the only people who respect them are hunted down in a holy crusade against communism.

>>135411115

You are a fake Rothbardian. The state is robbing you and restricting your individual liberty and here you are demanding violence against innocent human beings and calling the state your protector. .

>>135411113
All of his writing is sincere understand what he meant. Nations by consent. Read it.

>>135411343
You're a fake Rothbardian, you won't even read his late stuff because it offends you.

>>135411301
>I bet trannies will be delighted when they cut their dicks off and the only people who respect them are hunted down in a holy crusade against communism.
So how come companies don't actively discriminate against tranies now. Mcdonalds wouldn't care who buys it's fucking burgers only that they get sold.

It's almost like privately owned media by Jews can change peoples opinions and these media stations and Hollywood movies make billions of dollars each year so they would have far superior pmc's at their disposal

And why are they being hunted down that's a breach of their nap if their not making threats or being aggressive you have no moral basis on ancap to kill them, and now your just proving might makes right and your entire society is a laughable joke devolving into Somalia tier factions

>>135411343
Communist are not innocent human beings. Heck they're not even humans.

>>135392224
Illegal immigrants should be subject to asset forfeiture. These assets should then go to ICE and pay for the wall. This effectively takes the incentive out of illegal immigration while also paying for the solution.

All citizens that qualify for a 25% tax rate and above should be given a one time 25,000 refundable tax credit for every child they produce. This tax credit should be paid for by cutting the feminazi communist programs like free daycare for poor people.

>>135411780
Again peaceful communists are more then welcome in ancap society. If they agree to respect their neighbors rights they have no moral basis on which to attack them

What part of NON AGGRESSION PACT do you not see?

>>135411973
The part where communists are aggressors by their own claim.

>>135410779
1. Yeah, i wouldn't care if 99.9% o the people are transgender. How do you know they are mentally ill? You're not mentally ill for believing that a piece of bread turns into a body of a dead jew, but this is illnes? Try again.
2. I'm not ancap.
3. Are you a scientist? Have you prove that? No one has. Don't claim that. Even if they are mentally ill, what then? "Beat" them in a more sophiaticated manner, not "You're not allowe to do this, that and that because I think you're mentally ill!"
4. Attacking me on something I never mentioned. I didn't mention communism being inferior. But even if it is, it can still spread. Bad ideas spread.
5. So what if it does? Let them be gays if they want. That's like me saying more herero people increases the amount of herero people...? What?!?

>>135412559
Sry for all the typos, I'm on my fckn phone

>>135412491
I said peaceful communists

A small commune of hippies is not about go kill you. Like I said before in that case anyone wishing for the return of a state in any sense has also got to be purged since that infringes on your freedoms.

Anyone from Monarchists, fascists, to libertarians, minachists, theocracies and anyone who doesn't believe in 100% freedom have all got to be perpetually purged in a never ending cycle of purging.

In which case your not very free if thought crime and how you run your own mini commune is now a thing.

>>135412559
All right there we have it ladies and Gentlemen. The right wing element of the libertarian movement

Very socially conservative i must say

>>135413125
Exactly what I said in my 1st post. Not socially conservative, not socially liberal. Or actually any of those, but don't interfere because you don't claim to be smarter than anyone else.

>>135412964
Abolishing private property is agression. Some random hippies are either not communists or not peaceful. They can only be one.

>>135412964
>peaceful communists
Like moderate muslims.

>>135413990
>>135414354
That's 19th century communists speaking to you. People like Bernie Sanders or ones even more economically extreme have no need for violent revolution anymore.

In fact that's the whole basis of modern communism doing it non violently, hence why the media,movies,entertainment,politics and education have all been turned into Marxist education places. And many of these institutions mainly entertainment and the media shall remain in Ancap. Movies are very economically profitable and we've seen the anti-white dribble they piss out.

And once again my previous point of Anyone from Monarchists, fascists, to libertarians, minachists, theocracies and anyone who doesn't believe in 100% freedom have all got to be perpetually purged in a never ending cycle of death and thoughtcrime. In which case your not very free if how you run your own mini private commune is now a thing. Therefore proving either the nap is impossible or Might makes Right and anarchism is unfeasible

>>135411343
I pay the state despite my lack of consent, so I might as well use it to my advantage, since apart from violence, I have no other option. I don't want immigrants on my property or in my country, so I want strict border control.

>>135411736
They are legally not allowed to. Civil Kikes Act and all that, things that libertarians ruthlessly oppose.
The Jews push narratives contrary to the natural order, so they too shall be physically removed.
>their nap
Lesser stupidity than this has caused mankind to fall.

>>135411973
>(((Adam Kokesh))) with a NatSoc flag
gee, rly mak u thnk

>>135412964
They preach murder and theft against property owners, and people have historically acted upon their preachings, and they endorsed such behaviour.
No tolerance.

>>135414909
Become a proprietor, don't allow communist propaganda In your society.

>>135415219
Yes Jews have a nap and they can make as many anti-white movies as they want. Don't see the movie then. If people want to consume that type of media then that is their right. What was all that ancap goes on about how the magic hand of the free market will get rid of Jews when I've proven otherwise.

I thought you guys were for the free market? Now all of sudden you want to censor rich businessmens films simply cause it offends you? Just don't watch hollywood film then, I'm sure you'll make a big difference

Also have fun trying to purge them anyway when they have billions of dollars and the best pmc's

>>135415360
Your taking a very literal definition. Bernie sanders under ancap no one has the moral right to kill him since he wants socialism voluntarily voted in by the people. If he's not advocating for the means of production and private property to be violently seized you have no moral right to kill him. You can ban him and his propaganda from your land but you have no moral right to kill him if he's doing it peacefully.

>>135415747
Exactly you can do that, but the rest of 99% of people will keep watching fox and cnn and hollywood films all of which make good profits. Either you've got to outright ban certain things all over the country making you no longer anarchists but minachists or watch your society slowly become more marxist and anti-white anyway since these rich Jews still hold immense power

>>135416362
>have a nap
boi.
Boi.
BOI.
Nigger if you're this dumb, I doubt I can help you.

>>135416362
Also there's no democracy in AnCap, just a friendly reminder.

>>135416456
Yeah making a anti-white film. Something like starwars with racemixing encouragement and some marxist propaganda is not an act of aggression. You do not have to watch the film nor is it aggressive in the slightest or a breach of the nap.

>>135416534
I'm aware my point was Bernie sanders peaceful way to implemting socailism in ancap is very much allowed. If he says he's going to convince people peacefully to turn socialists you can boot him off your property and ban his shit on your land but he is very much allowed to continue spreading his propaanda

>>135414909
>a never ending cycle of death and thoughtcrime
That's what happens in communists countries.

>>135416938
Don't allow race mixing star wars movies in your covenant. Do you really want to stop the hippie communists from watching that? Just get all your good white people in your land and ban that shit.

>>135394111
how much do you bench cuck?

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For a libertarian society to come about, we must first go through a right-wing revival. Fashies are friends.

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>Hurr durr taxes is theft
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3hd4CKGY98
This is how it would look like without taxes
Libertarians BTFO

>>135416968
Communists don't pretend to have freedom of government and land. Some of the ancaps here are saying you should outright go and murder a bunch of hippie socialists hurting no one and preaching "peace man" when that breaks the hippies naps since their obviously not the 1930's type of violent communists and they still respect your rights.

In which case your neither free to live how you want and the nap is a impossible to archive. Or anarchism can't work since you need to keep on purging literally everything from absolute monarchists to libertarians who want the state back.

>>135417481
smaller and rural communities have to band together and fund their own roads because our government won't give them any. Not to mention, roadbuilding is practically already private, the government is just a middle man. Businesses ask for roads, the government hires a company.

Do you think you have any say over us sweden? Your government is literally selling your race out, and giving shit loads of money to sandniggers who rape your women. Europeans are a weak-willed people, and deserve their wages of sin.

>>135417335
Of course you don't have to see it. But the large masses of people will and they'll keep pushing that anti-white stuff and making a nice profit of it and the media as well.

>>135416938
Spreading the idea that my right to life is forfeit though I had done nothing to deserve it is a violation of the NAP. That means if Atomwaffen Division were to set off a dirty bomb in (((Hollywood))), hypothetically speaking of course, I'd thank them.
No, promoting such ideas as genocide of a people and abolition of property goes contrary to freedom: the right of man to life, liberty and possessions. That means their propaganda is not allowed and they will have to be physically removed... so to speak.

>>135417352
Indeed. Libertarian fascism or a NatCap monarchy is great.
For how much the Irregulars signal and purity spiral, they're not wrong in their political views.

>>135418040
You care about the masses of communists and degenerates now? Let the Jews destroy them. Don't allow it in your land.

>>135417525
>some of us
No, this belief is central to /lrg/.
Let's confuse you harder: if we gain control of the System, why not use its powers to our advantage before we kill it?
Immediately terminate all hormonal replacement programs, strictly prohibit genital mutilation of all sorts, and actually allow services to function the way they should.
Then, after this war is done and the situation has stabilised, we can go about our city-states and private property covenant societies and such.
Of course, if this can't be achieved, we shall go for the SIEGE option.

>>135418040
The statists are incapable of reinstating a state without the use of force. Encouraging the undermining of property rights should be treated in the same regard as other direct threats. There is a distinction between arguing for the supposed benefit of a state, and arguing for the forceful creation of said state.

>>135412964
Of course people can speak out against someone else's property, but as long as they keep it on their own property and never enter the other person's property, it's within their right. Really the question is when is it OK to quell an brewing communist rebellion?

>>135418040
>No, promoting such ideas as genocide of a people and abolition of property goes contrary to freedom:
Wrong it is not promoting the genocide it is simply encouraging free people to consider freely loving someone of the other race. You are free to have your own white kids.

Anyway they are not forcing you to either watch the films or follow it's advice. The free people and the free market have made up their mind and decided to see the film. You are no longer an anarchist or a lover of the free market
>the right of man to life, liberty and possessions.
yeah and if a movie shows the positive side of marrying a Black or Hispanic the future white girl is making a free choice to do so. The movie has done no such thing encouraging genocide. Unless the words KILL ALL WHITE PEOPLE pop up you have no moral basis on which to ban the movies because it hurts your feelings when the free market and free individuals are making an informed decision
>That means their propaganda is not allowed and they will have to be physically removed
Wrong propaganda is not aggressive it is simply a point of view being pushed. You can shut yourself off from it completely, there has been no nap break because you are willingly consuming the media

>>135418301
Oh no I don't but you've either got to admit your not actually freedom anarchists since your outright banning certain ideologues from even running a 10 man village or that the nap is a stupid fucking concept since agression is a highly definable term. Shouting at someone could be justification for shooting his head off.

>>135418650
I agree with you hence why everything from libertarians to monarchists to minachists have to be purged and that makes you no longer free to live how you want because eventually that libertarian communie will grow and grow and one day push for the state to return, in practice it's just like the communists pushing for the state to come back.

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>>135418515
You make me so proud.

>>135392767
Mises, Milton Friedman and Ayn Rand were not ancaps.

>>135415219
Couldn't you prove mathematically that it'd be stupid to not open the hiring base to as wide a group as possible and open the consumer base to wide a group as possible?

If all races were truly equal, then it'd be a loss on productivity and revenue to be racist to who you hire and who you serve.

>>135418097
misquoted. Your the first reply here
>>135419204

>>135419138
I agree that is the question in ancap however plenty of your other ancaps here wouldn't even allow 10 people to run a communist farm. In which case your not free to live how you want or your not Anachists

>>135419470
Also the reason why minorities like Asians and Jews (and even Blacks to some extent) beat whites before the war on poverty was because they undercut whites in capitalism. Blacks had a higher employment rate until racist whites implemented minimum wage.

>>135419204
You don't understand property rights and that most people won't own land in AnCapistan. You'll live on a proprietors land and he can ban whatever he wants. You might think that is authoritarianism, but it's the very essence of anarchism and property rights.

>>135419829
No I do understand that. The people here are arguing if certain Proprietors wanted a communist commune and to spread it though peaceful routes of which you could block them from your land and block all propaganda for you. That this commune should be violently put down because it doesn't subscribe with your world view.

In which case either the nap is a dumb concept and has to be broken repeatedly making it useless and it's value lesser or your not free to live how you want and must subscribe to only a few very specific types of """""anarchism"""""

>>135420517
I see what you're saying but there is no way that a communist society without property could be prosperous enough to be expansionist and that they could do so without violence on other societies.

If they're doing so by making propaganda and not profiting (being communists and all) there is no value being created. They're basically wasting resources by making star wars movies they give to their people for free. Communism is born to fail. They could only do so by adopting capitalism and all the property norms we have at which point they'd adopt same model as us and they're wouldn't be communism.

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>commies are all about peace guys!

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>lol we can compete against those fascist capitalists without the states help!

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>>135418246
NatCap, aside from being a meme ideology, is just Natsoc with a belief in free markets and free trade.

>>135423013
Natcap is a cool idea I've played around with, but I realized that having a central government that basically just protects AnCapistan sets the ruler up to be replaced by the market. It would become decentralized if the state didn't obstruct the market.

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What is to be done about Commies? I'm in yellow

>>135424045
Don't debate them. It's pointless. They just have to be removed.

>>135426058
Thank you hsm.

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>>135427058
with colord background

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>>135428304
Dank look, but you should do "enemy of the state" instead of plugging his book.

>>135428892
Thanks for the advise

Can any of y'all recommend some agorist reading past SEKIII?