Start being a prepper

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Also you need to drive off road vehicles. Because they are most useful. Like the name they are good in off roads and can carry much shit and you survive better if you get hit.

>>135388817
>play a zombie game
>honey with it's horrendous nutritions because you will expect a complete environmental breakdown beyond the decades common prep food is storable
>save enough gold for trading
You are unironically the least competent larper of all time. Flag only goes to show.

You must be 18 years of age to use this board.

>>135389943
This
>OP thinks computer games are a decent form of survival training

Preparing for what?

>Economy collapses
New government will be elected put forth reforms to rebuild and stimulate local economies
>Government collapses
New government will take it's place
>Society collapses
Humans will always congregate and form local communities that ends up becoming too big that it becomes the reigning power of the region bringing law and order
>Fiat money becomes useless
But it wont. Fiat money value is determined by the success of a nations people. If your communities are successful and productive then so are your cities, states/provinces and ultimately your nation. We use fiat money because it's easier to do things with it having a universal item we can exchange for ANYTHING. Before the days of it, if you weren't in a rich family with gold/silver you were screwed because any job you did do would be in exchange for obscure or stupid shit like grain/food/horse saddle/alcohol etc. which limited what you could do. If somehow the whole world economy collapsed, nobody is going to care if you have "5billion" worth of gold under your bed. The only thing that WILL help you is having powerful friends, people with a lot of friends and connections. The oil and agriculture industry for example will be your two power houses.

>>135390022
You mean clicking a mouse doesn't prepare you to maintain a rifle and teach proper shooting stance? Yeah, shit should be obvious.

Also gold's no fucking good if society tanks, just invest in bullets and food. Ammunition will always have value, doubly so as supplies dwindle and people collectively forget how to make bullets. Not that a faggot from this board, let alone this LARPer, stands a chance of lasting the decade or so it'd take for that to happen.

>>135388817
>Water Cleaner
>Red anti fire thing
>HONEY (This one is important you will need food, and Honey never rots it can last forever)
> Spray or marker
>Local map or map in General

Are you me?
Also, don't bug out, bug in.

>>135388817
What is valuable about gold in any shit hitting the fan scenario? Immediately it would be worthless right? Can't eat it and it can't protect you or kill someone else, it can be used in manufacturing, but no one is manufacturing for a while if shit hits hard right?

>>135388817
>- Red anti fire thing
What is that ?

>>135390022
>>135390331
I didn't mean literally. I know video games don't prepare you. But they can give you a sense in general or learn you few things

>>135390489
this
only food, water, and weapons would be valuable
>>135388817
fuck off with this gay ass shit thread you homo fuck

>>135390261
>Society collapse
Between the time it collpses and communitys reform there is chaos and orons will pillage etc

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>>135390563
Dunno i m not native english speaker. But pic related.. And i just remembered its called fire extinguisher

>>135388817
>guns and bullets
>spam
>porn mags

>>135390679
>>135390489
If its not a total collapse but If currency collapses. Lets say Dollar collapses in Value your 100 000$ in bank will mean nothing. So you take out gold and exchange it for worthy currency.

Why do preppers always want to run and hide while the world crumbles and reforms around them? Join the inevitable Frei Korps, and arrest in the chaos, so it does not reform into something worse than before, which already needed to go.

>>135390862
why would it be valuable? why would anyone want gold?
why wouldnt someone want 20 gallons of fresh water and 5 loafs of bread?

>>135388817
>Try out Arma or some zombie survival game
5/5 would kek again

>>135390489
>Immediately it would be worthless right?

Bullshit.

>>135390022
Of course they cannot teach you practical things. Theoretical, at best. But they can entice an interest for real life things, like survivalism.

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Buy pressure water bottle or other pressure spray to clean your butt when you run out of toilet paper.
Water is easily accessible, toilet paper is not.
Having clean butt is important, especially when you have no doctors around.

>>135388817
>no toilet paper or tooth paste

Other little things:
-garden wire
-pliers
-rope
-nuts
-fishing hook and line
-books about nature and gardening
-cast iron pan (burn it first)
-modafinil (just in case you have to stay awake 2 days for any reason)

>>135391602
>not just wiping over a river bank and getting your hand wet and rubbing it up and down the crack and get it nice and clean, then wash hand in river
amateur hour

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>>135390489
easy goy, just start investing in gold NOW, go down to your local gold exchange and ask for mr shekelberg

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>>135388817

You're a rookie. You know absolutely nothing about preparedness or survival, as evidenced by your post.

I've included the Prepper Matrix, which gives you a brief rundown of what to focus on.

Spending your time trying to simulate survival in a video game will get you killed.

>>135391872
>-cast iron pan (burn it first)
Not doubting you but why?

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>>135391879
Are you close to the river every time you need to take a shit? I live close to the river but I doubt I would be there in time + river bank is concrete cliff.
When you have awful shits that water bottle would be your savior.

>>135388817
I think people tend to really over value guns and isolation

I'll take a Hipoint and 5 good men I can trust over a small Arsenal and isolation

>>135392289
Closest thing to a weapon Brits are allowed to own. Doubles as a cooking vessel.

>>135392392
Why does it have to be burnt...

>>135392344
>Hi Point
>Gang of muh good homies

Found the nigger

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>>135392289
Clean iron pan can get rusted over a night, so you want it to be covered in burned oil.

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>>135392392

Austria bringing the bants!

In regards to cast iron utensils: http://www.seriouseats.com/2014/11/the-truth-about-cast-iron.html

>>135392617
>>135392289

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46nRKacPWPs

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>VIDEO GAMES
kys

>>135388817
>Prepping in the UK

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>>135393472
Well, would you know half of the guns and army equipment if you didn't play games?
Most people now are somehow educated in gun use thanks to games. No need to be a cunt about it.

>>135388817
>when shit hits the fan paper losses all value.
Toilet paper will increase in value

>>135394559
He meant banknotes. Will you wipe with plastic money?

>>135388817
>buy gold bars for shtf meme
NO

you want to invest your money in GOODS to trade for gold, once the infrastructure comes back up you can spend that gold, gold is no good to you during a shtf situation, things like BLEACH will be worth its weight in gold, and antibiotics (which can be purchased in bulk for animals at human grade)

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>>135394490

You have never fired a gun in your life.

The only "game" that could remotely teach you about how firearms function is called "World of Guns: Gun Disassembly".

Even that is no substitute for real, hands on experience.

You're clearly very young, and I must remind you that 4chan is a 18+ board.

>>135388817
Here is a cool tip: Silk Maps.

They are obviously water proof and resistant to damage, so there is less of a chance of your map withering away and leaving you lost in the wilderness.

You can buy silk maps here: here:https://burntpointlodge.com/collections/books-1/products/silk-maps

>>135394768
Gold is still ok if you have more money than you could possibly spent, and want to preserve the wealth for future generations.

>>135388817
gold didnt mean shit during hurricane katrina, faggot. you are part of this nu-wave prepping group that needs to fuck themselves. what mattered during katrina was gasoline since pumps were off, food, CLEAN WATER, basic medical supplies, guns, ammo, and shit like cigarettes/booze.

gold doesnt mean shit during a happening

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>>135394799
>The only "game" that could remotely teach you about how firearms function is called "World of Guns: Gun Disassembly".

Pic related, by account

>You're clearly very young, and I must remind you that 4chan is a 18+ board.

Closer to 30 than 18 you smug cunt.

>>135394885
If you own property there's always more you could do, as a general investment yes it would be better than stocks or something I suppose but the idea the USD will collapse completely as a catalyst for this sort of scenario seems somewhat inane.

>>135388921
>because gasoline's available once SHTF

>>135394799
>posts airsoft

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But what if I want to wander the ruins of the US as pic related?

>>135388817
You need to see a doctor

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>>135395081

Better? This is my EDC. The other pic was the first one remotely related in my pro gun folder, not that it matters.

>>135394799
Good game. Highly recommended but FPS can be useful training but only if you're in a group that actually takes the time to understand group dynamics and communication during battle.
>Remember to bring a gun. Preferably two guns. And all your friends that have guns.

>>135390022
Computer games are shit for anything other than tactical and situational awareness training.

I don't know about you, but DayZ taught me very concretely why you go innawoods and not innafields, and why cities and suburbs are positional death traps.

>>135395001
Thanks anon. Now you have me itching to re-install that game. It's a good fix for when you can't afford to go to the range. That and practicing with your weapons while empty.

>>135388817
I've been hearing this shit for 20 years, so when will {{{SHTF}}} ?

Buy some activated charcoal. It's what we use in water filters, treating poison, and gas masks.

>>135395506
Mercenaries of the (((globalist elite))) are already warming up, just visit Paris or London if you dare.

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>>135388817
That's some bullshit.

In reality, the best thing to prep in case of some realistic catastrophes (most realistic of all - Civil War) is a strong community.

And the best bet at survival is to be able to GTFO to a safe settlement/country.

Thus, the best preparation is the following: good social standing, lots of friends, both neighbours and foreign.

Being on the news, so that you can avoid bad incident altogether.

My great grand parents and my grandfather survived the holocaust You know how? GTFOed from France to the Soviet Union a couple years before the war.
(Still got some shekels from germcucks btw)

>>135395506
Imagine living in an immigrant infested neighborhood in Sweden. I'm sure the situation at their doorsteps feels very real. Certainly, at the very least, you wouldn't disagree having metal window protectors and a solid door would be useful.

>>135395598
Random fact: Gas masks don't save you anymore with modern chemical weapons, they merely extend your lifetime to the point where you can still fulfill some strategic tasks before you end up convulsing on the ground and vomiting out your organs.

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>>135388817

It's hard mang.

I was a degnerate fuck up for so long.

I'm quitting my 80k a year office job to get an apprenticeship in carpentry/building and getting into the construction business. Will be broke as fuck for a long time, but I feel like the skills are more valuable and transportable.

I do got a fucking massive fuck ton of empty, isolated land though.

Looks like pic related, unfortunately (wall to wall rainforrest - clearing it for farming is gonna be hellish)

Only problem is I'm gonna be too broke to properly prep and even buy a pick up so I can get in there to build muh tiny homes.

My wife is earning a lot though and she's more into prepping and parnoia than I am by a long shot.

>>135392617
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLGSLCaksdY
Essentially, you wanna make a thin layer of oil to fight rust

>>135395733
Victoria? Tas? QLD?

>>135390679

Gold is one of the most valuable possessions in a social collapse where there are functioning societies outside of your area.

Always has been.

In a literal End Times Nuclear Apocalypse scenario whereby everyone is fucked, you're obviously going to be back to bartering, and weapons. water, medicine, maps etc etc will be most valuable.

>>135390999

Because gold is small and easier to transport and ascribe value to.

This is based on a smaller scale collapse (think an out of control inflation scenario) and there being an outside market to trade to.

>>135395506

People "prep" for all kinds of reasons. Most "Doomsday Preppers" will go through life waiting for that one, huge blow to society that will never come.

The rest of us have been doing this for years and are survivalists more than anything else. It's not about being a lone wolf against the World in a SHTF-scenario.

It's about being able to take care of your family in a crisis, like being without power for an extended period of time, or being snowed in and cut off from the world.

It's about being prepared for a sudden loss of income as a result of the economy shifting.

It's about being able to find your way home if you ever get lost in the woods or the mountains.

It's about building trustworthy relationships with other like-minded people.

It's about hard work and being free. Free from the chains of debt and expectations of everybody else.

No, my friend, SHTF will likely never come. Even if it did, it would unfold super slowly. We are living in an economic collapse right now (which we saw the beginning of in 2008/2009), but change won't happen overnight. Instead you'll see it becomes more and more common to be without a job. Companies are down-sizing. People start eating out less. They start growing their own food in the spring, to supplement their diet. You will see more people starting to repair broken stuff instead of buying new ones.

As for armed conflict, that is unlikely to happen on a large scale. Sure, if people become desperate enough there might be pockets of violent outbursts that would still be taken care of by law enforcement.

Only once law enforcement stop responding to 911-calls will you see people pushing the bar of what's acceptable and allowed. They might steal from their neighbors or try to rape someone. That's when people will take the law into their own hands.


Just my two cents..

>>135395364
Games also teach about:
-Bullet drop
-Bullet "hanging time"
-Ammo types
-Mag capacities
-Rate of fire
-Scope types
-Shooting poses

People shitting on video games capability of teaching are just retarded.
How else would you teach average teen about all that without taking them to the shooting range?

>>135392812
Thank you based Martha

>>135394799

>Learning how to fire a gun

I fired plenty of guns when I was a kid. You just point and shoot.

When I get some more cash I really will have to go and get some gunz again.

>>135395733

I'm in a similar position. I quit my office job a few years back to pursue a career as a contractor/carpenter instead. In addition to that I'm learning how to weld, do pipe fitting and basic repairs.

It won't be long until I can afford moving my family out into the country, and then we'll start growing more of our own food and live stock as well.

>>135395928
An instructive gun fighting game would totally suck because real life is not about fun.
The game might give you a few terms to look up and research further and have grains of truth, but also mixed in with a lot of memes and plain misconceptions.
It should not be the only or major source you rely on.

>>135395795

Brah - NSW.

(I do wish it was Tassie though)

Anyway, if there is no society wide collapse, my great grandkids will be inheriting a whole suburb they can divvy up and sell to the Chinese.

>>135396117
Very nice, I'm in Mildura atm, wasn't aware NSW had much rainforest

>>135395880

You'd be better off spending your money on ammunition. .22 LR is already being used as a currency in certain circles.

Gold is too expensive to effectively trade with. Even if you were to trade everyday items, no one would be able to give you enough basic stuff to cover the value of the weight of gold.

Silver Dollars is a better way to spend your cash, as it's easily converted into things you can actually trade for.

I still think alcohol, ammunition and medicine is the best way to spend your money for long term value.

>>135396036

Eerily similar Nordbro.

Was happy shoveling coke up my nose and drinking all weekend while working shit tier jobs. Got married. Wife started to be a drag. Got a "proper" job.

Then we started talking about kids - I grew up in Tasmania, which is like...I dunno...the Alaska of Australia. I now live in our biggest city and there is no way I'm bringing up kids here. She had some friends get married, have kids and move out to the country.

There is no demand for my job out there, so I'm starting an apprenticeship next year in the carpentry/building trade. I originally thought about doing something like plumbing, but like I said, I've already got a massive country property, so I'd like to be able to build on it, plus if I'm going to be based in this city for a bit longer, there is huge money in building - for now.

But yeah, the plan is to get a nice self sustaining block going and welcome some of our friends up there, if they wish.

>>135395928

You have never fired a gun in your life.

How do I know this? Because if you knew anything about bullet drop you would know that there are many factors that come into play at longer ranges.

Wind, moisture, temperature, angle, barometric pressure, bullet weight, cartridge loads, rifle twist, barrel length, size of your target, distance and even the Coriolis effect.

I am a member of a long range shooting club and can land hits at 800-1400 yards with my .300 WinMag.

It's so blatantly obvious that you have never handled firearms in your life, based purely on the fact that you think video games can teach you anything about real life.

>>135388817
>deposit Gold bars and put them hidden behind wall or somewhere save, as gold will always have value
It's just a shiny yellow piece of metal. Yeah, it's malleable, but in a survival situation, there's far more valuable things to have. Why would I want to carry heavy gold bricks around if I have to stay on the move?

>>135396390

I hope you succeed, Aussie. You're well on your path to a "return to virtue".

>>135388817
Nigga your house hold should have the following items ready AT ALL TIMES:


-passport and other documents ready in one spot
-a 2KW emergency generator and 1 week worth of fuel
-5-10 rolls of duct tape
-3l or 1gl of water per person per day
-food for a week that doesn't need to be cooked
-a gun

Every thing else is non essential

>>135396413
>Why would I want to carry heavy gold bricks around if I have to stay on the move?
Though I agree with your sentinment this comment is INANE

A single block of gold is worth 500k lmao

if you have multiple... would you leave a million dollars sitting in your burnt down house?

>>135395886
Eh. Not so fast there friendo! Europe is filling up with Muslims and so is North America. That should change your calculations significantly. They don't value your life all that much. You could have armed gangs in places near you within 10 years. Also take into account the general worthlessness of big governments right now. Those governments believe that those refugees's rights are as important as your own or even that they need "protections" from angry citizens effectively giving them more rights than you.

>>135396413
You underestimate mans obsession with gold. Someone in a comfortable position will probably sell you tools for gold just to have gold.

>>135388817
sugar goes bad?

>>135396564

That's a more likely scenario to unfold in the cities, which is why I am getting the fuck outta there as soon as possible.

It's likely that Sweden will get the worst of it before it hits Norway, so at least we'll get a bit of a warning.

>>135396508
Also i forgot, almost the most important item. A god damn radio. Cause that's how your government will tell you how to be useful

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>>135396408
I never shot a gun other than the air gun it is true, but why would I not know about:

>Wind, moisture, temperature, angle, barometric pressure, bullet weight, cartridge loads, rifle twist, barrel length, size of your target, distance and even the Coriolis effect.

I am not retarded and I have a discovery channel imagine that!
You truly are a smug cunt tho.

My argument was that games are great for a massive basic training simulator for people that never had opportunity to shoot.

From 2 people who would be quicker to be a good shooter:
-gamer
-someone who never saw a gun in their life

Obviously a gamer.

>>135388817

What practical use will gold have when shit hits the fan? People will need ammunition, food, tools, other various supplies.

I guess I just don't understand why people put so much stock in the value of gold here.

>>135396184

Far North. QLD border closer than Sydney.

>>135396188

Gold still has value. I don't have the image anymore, but you might have already seen it - It was a Yugo on one of the older defunct chans detailing his day to day inside of a sieged city.

Gold and Jewelry were used by gangs to trade with the outside. Internally it was used to buy lighters (he was REALLY into bic lighters) and other necessities (booze, food, medicine, bullets, all the usual stuff) off of these gangs.

He did say a lot of the rules and procedures you hear about with prepping went out the window in a siege/urban environment. Having a lot of weapons and vehicles and other visible items of wealth made you insta-fucked. The smart people were those who had prepped, but had prepped in secret.

He also said all the prepping in the world doesn't help without a gang/big family. Basically guys who hand't done a bit of prep would just form up gangs and take other peoples shit. There was nothing you could do as an individual alone.

That's why it's best to have a fall back option and to be able to get out of larger populaces and wait things out.

>>135396508
Sanitary supplies are more essential than a gun (I assume ammo is implied because you didn't list it).
Living in a SHTF situation is much like living in a third world shithole, and third world experience is:
Even if violence is through the roof, infections are way more likely to get you.

>>135396691
Because civilization will be rebuilt, and having gold would help raise your odds of thriving in the new world order.

>>135396685

You're a confirmed no-guns, trying to tell other people that they can learn how to use and operate guns from video games.

You should know your place and bow down to those superior to you. You lack knowledge on the subject matter.

You're better off acknowledging your short-comings as the first step to overcoming them.

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>>135395928
No.
>pic related
I know, because I've been where you are. You know enough to think you know something, but in reality you don't. Sure, you know more than an airheaded bimbo, but that is not saying a lot.

Games teach you jack shit about the reality on most of those things.
>what's the relationship between a 5.56mm NATO round and .22LR
>what are grains in different rounds
>how suppressors ACTUALLY work and what you use them for
>where is it realistic to discharge unsuppressed firearms and still function without hearing protection
>what's it like to actually hold a stance and shoot at a target that's smaller than your front sight

By the time you need to concern yourself with things like bullet drop, you need to consider other things as well like windage, and what happens AFTER you take your shots, that is NOT covered in games.

As a side note, if you think rate of fire is in any way relevant in other than heavy, belt-fed firearms, I don't know how to help you.

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>>135396825
Never!

This will happen. Europe will be flooded by Africans once theres enough of them, thats the Jews plan. They also have a plan for the collapse of America once they have used it up, all the Jews will flee to Israel at this time. A day Z scenario. Preppers are smart to be preparing.

>>135396885

This.

>>135396731
I understand where you're coming from, still, our sewage can take in a lot, it is still gravity based in most European countries. You can fill buckets of rain water and flush once a day.

But if after 1 week of.. Let's say a major black out, the trust in the government starts to fade, and the law of the stronger starts to take hold, you need that gun. And hold out till theres some order again.

>>135390331
>>135390489
>>135390999
>>135392012
>>135394768
I came in this thread just to rip on retarded Americans with their Americanized view of how gold works. Read a fucking book instead of pulling uninformed gold commentary out of your ass. Gold has never been worth 0 in human history. I could explain why that is the case, and why it will be true going forward, but I'm not going to waste my time here. Read history and finance cuck boys

>>135396508

>tfw bought a steel roll up hook ladder

>tfw everyone keeps laughing at me

>tfw I ask them "what the fuck do you want me to do if there is a fire here?"

>"Why would there be a fire?"

How the fuck would I know WHY there would be a fire in my apartment block. I just know that if there is, the only way down is the elevator and the fire exit....which is at the very far end of the hallway.

Am I paranoid? I don't think so.

-a gun

This is the part that pisses me off the most. Owning a gun here is so expensive - and doubly so to keep it in your home (plus it comes with other headaches like police inspections if they wish). My wife is like "just keep it at the club".

What is the point if it's at the club?

Like I'm going to make a diversion through a collapsing society to pick up my gun, which would no doubt be looted already.

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>>135388817
Peanut butter
>cheap af
>6521.2 Calories/litre
>242g protein/litre
>etc,etc

>>135396969
I never asserted the value would be 0.

I asserted the relative utility is close to 0.

Which is simply more important in a life or death situation you fucking moron.

>>135396969

I'll trade you some of your gold for 2 Cents on the Dollar when you run out of toilet paper, food, ammo or whatever else you didn't have the money to buy because you focused on gold.

Best of luck though.. I hope you survive, as we will need more people bearing your flag in the time to come.

ammo > than gold
Knowing how to make ammo and having the tools to do it are also > than a gold mine

Add bitcoin to that list

>>135396691

It's based on the concept that there are functioning socities elsewhere/will be rebuilt soon after.

If I was in a precarious situation (like Jews Poland in 1938), I'd definitely like to have some juicy gold reserves stockpiled.

And passports.

>>135395886
I knew that logic of this sort could not possibly be a fellow burger. Thanks for the good info.

>>135388817
>be american
>prep for the apocalypse
>the apocalypse actually comes
>you die anyway after a few months, because you have type 2 diabetes due to obesity and they stopped manufacturing insuline.

>>135397089

I assume the gold is on a list, but not really the priority of the list.

Gold plays an important part in some survival scenarios (the fleeing the country type of scenarios).

>>135397009
The process is around $300 in Victoria and 3 months minimum I believe, can get a 3 gun safe for like $200.

On the plus side, the 22 shortage didn't hit us, $30 for a box of 550 last I checked, and you always feel better having it around.

I've had 2 inspections, once when I got my first rifle and when my license was renewed last, both times they called beforehand anyway. The database they use to track this stuff is woeful, they are completely useless, the intrusion in my opinion is minimal to non existent.

>>135397149

I have friends and family in Burgerland, so I am heavily influenced by your people.

Tennessee and Iowa.

For a Norwegian I am pretty atypical, as I have more in common with 'muricans than my own people.

>>135395048
>häkäpönttö

>>135397045
>I asserted the relative utility is close to 0
False. If there are any governments operating they will be using a gold standard. Central banks are accumulating gold for this reason. This would require you to read and to stop parroting cliches you heard from other poor people

>>135397009
You're not paranoid. I have a 4 room flat and one of the biggest fire extinguisher i could find. If theres a fire in this house, its surely not from my apartment.

All these china made electronic devices on standby 24/7 is asking for fire.


>>135397098
Bitcoin.... No stable power, what then?

>>135396885
>no nothing
Ffs.

>>135397091

Depends bro.

Being able to organize men and provide food and ammo is fine - if you can't, having gold is also good.

If you're in a place like Raqqa as shit goes down, you want to be able to arm and form up, or you want to be able to get your "gold" (or suitcase of USD) and buy your way to a border or safe zone.

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>>135396885
>what's the relationship between a 5.56mm NATO round and .22LR

Similar caliber

>what are grains in different rounds

More grains, more powerful round, grain is used to measure powder load

>how suppressors ACTUALLY work and what you use them for

Tube filled with barriers that lowers the pressure (but also send some back to your face as you shoot) of the gasses exiting gun but also hides the flash

>where is it realistic to discharge unsuppressed firearms and still function without hearing protection

Almost nowhere, but bushes would distort sound quite nicely

>what's it like to actually hold a stance and shoot at a target that's smaller than your front sight

Just aim from the bottom to the top and rise the gun until you are ok to shoot. That way you still see your target second before shooting.


Why are you fuckers so smug about guns? It is not a forbidden knowledge, we all have internet.

>>135396390
You will be homeschooling your kids I assume? No point otherwise..

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>>135397267
>If there are any governments operating
So you'd rather buy gold than something useful on the off chance there is a government operating?

That'd be on you brother.

>>135397149

It's conservative logic - Conservatives seem to have over active threat responses. They like control, order and ritual/routine to help mitigate against things going wrong.

It's why they also love prepping.

It's also why liberals are constantly demanding handouts - Because they don't prep and constantly find themselves with their pants down.

>>135397089
You're a retard sadly. The first hole in your argument is that owning gold and properly prepping are not mutually exclusive. In fact, owning gold is part of a proper prepping strategy. The second hole in your sad, uninformed argument is that gold would lose 98% of its value in real terms. Care to back that up with any historical precedent or are you just talking out your ass because you failed to obtain gold so far?

>>135397230
>$300
Jesus mate, it's only $126 here, and that's in NZ fun bucks.

>>135397342
You're literally retarded they are not mutually exclusive and all evidence indicates that gold increases in value in real terms during times of crisis or scarcity. Log off and read a book

>>135388817
>so deposit Gold bars

If the balloon goes up gold isn't going to have any fucking value either you moron. Gold has as much inherent value as paper tender.

>>135388817

shit, I'm old ... did the most important stuff already 10 years ago

>>135397331
I hope that's bait

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>>135388817
>Don't forget supermale vitality
Go away, Alex.

>>135397464
If you HAVE THE THINGS TO SURVIVE you dont need gold to BARTER FOR THE THINGS TO SURVIVE. The things required to survive don't cost thousands of dollars an ounce.

If you honestly can't understand this very basic concept you might be a moron. Enjoy eating your gold, or more likely, a boot.

>>135397341

That's what *I* want. My wife is less convinced (because she'd be doing the home schooling). She was also the product of home schooling by full turbo hippies for a while.

Where I would be moving to, theoretically, the home schooling is a little less important - It's basically considered the most "backwards" region in the country.

I'd prefer to do it, not even just to avoid indoctrination - I worked with two separate Asian guys who home schooled their kids up until their HSC's, and they were exceptional students and kids, pretty much the polar opposite of my school days learning how to be a criminal, drug abuser and fighting lebs.

>>135397491
retarded, obviously you have no understanding of history or the properties of money. You bring shame to your flag

>>135396685
it boils down to control and never having fired a firearm says to everyone that you dont know shit when it comes to handling and using one. who fucking cares if you know what load and twist the firearm is when you dont have the muscle memory/practice to hit anything

>>135397331
>Why are you fuckers so smug about guns? It is not a forbidden knowledge, we all have internet.

Loving every laugh.

>>135397615
>obviously you have no understanding of history or the properties of money

Please explain what inherent value Gold has.

>>135396408
Shut up Captain Price.

>>135397599
>Enjoy eating your gold
Aww guys it's retarded. How cute. Read a book lad you'll look back on this thread and cringe in a few years

>>135397653
You can research the seven properties of money when you are ready to become a self-sufficient adult

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>>135388817
>shtf
>only have honey stored up
>die of diabeetus 2 weeks in
you suck at this

>>135397331
>what's the relationship between a 5.56mm NATO round and .22LR

The .223 Remington (or 5.56x45mm NATO) and the .22 LR both have the same bullet diameter. That means that they could be fired from the same barrel, for instance.

The cartridge itself is not even remotely similar, as one of them is a rimfire and the other is centerfire. Not to mention that the sizes are different.

>what are grains in different rounds
Your statement isn't correct. Grains are directly related to what type of powder that's being used. For instance, some types of powder burn faster or slower than others. 26 grain of one type does NOT equal 26 grain of another.

>how suppressors ACTUALLY work and what you use them for
See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-keuXw5xfRs

>where is it realistic to discharge unsuppressed firearms and still function without hearing protection
Depends on the caliber being fired, if it's a semi-auto or single shot, what type of flash hider or muzzle brake that's mounted (if any), how enclosed the area is (as the sound will echo) to name a few things.

>what's it like to actually hold a stance and shoot at a target that's smaller than your front sight

Again, you have no idea. If you're aiming at a target that's smaller than your front sight the shot will not hit where you're naturally aiming at.

>>135397634
Call me autistic but I have 1:1 training gun Beretta 92 just to gain that muscle control.
Theory + muscle memory, I simply have no shooting ranges anywhere near...

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>Preppers
IE assholes who come into the local gunstores and buy all the .22

>>135388817
>tfw our gov started registering gold trades
Do they know about incoming happening?
Honey idea is quite good. Never thought of it. Pure calories, although not much micros. Canned meat can last decades, so it's good too. Lately I could have bought like 50 500g cans each of really good quality canned meat. I kind of regret of not doing it.

Anyway, the chances for some world scale conflict are minuscule, but it would be nice to have something stored that would last for at least a year. For peace of mind.

>>135397653
>Please explain what inherent value Gold has.
Basically the value comes from it being rare and humans not being able to create more of it, things with these 2 properties are extremely valuable if you want to create a economy of some kind.

>>135397773
>Again, you have no idea. If you're aiming at a target that's smaller than your front sight the shot will not hit where you're naturally aiming at.

I know what a bullet drop is you retard.

have a bug out bag fully loaded and some basic camping gear
store up hygiene and medical supplys
have cold weather cloths
have 1 month of food and water stored
have a gun and ammo (even just a cheap .22)
have a vehicle, preferably with 4wd with tools stored in it.

there youre now set up for 99.9% of shtf scenarios. outside of the car you can easily obtain everything else for $2-4k. might seem like a lot for mainly a piece of mind, but if shit does go down it will be a godsend. no, some stupid end of the world scenario is not going to happen, but mini-shtf events do happen all the time. floods, snow storms, power outages, chimpouts ect. its always good to have something to fall back on and it will make youre life a hell of a lot less miserable if it does.

>>135397373

I didn't say that gold would lose its value. I said that I wouldn't give you more than 2 Cents on the Dollar once you needed to trade for anything I had.

You can't eat gold. Once you're hungry enough you will give anything you have for something to eat.

In addition to that, like I've explained before, you need to be able to liquidate the gold into something that's easier to trade. Given the relatively high value of gold, you will have difficulty finding a "fair trade" in goods that people will accept.

So calm your tits, LARPer, and embrace knowledge where it's being given.

>>135397866
Canned meat has way healthier calories than diabetus in a jar.
Also get canned legumes for fiber.
>but muh sugar without nutritional value whatsoever lasts forever

>>135397900
You forgot about 5 of the properties of money lad but you are closer than most in this thread

>>135397599

This is what I've been trying to explain to him. Just let him sit there with all his gold. He'll starve to death and we can just loot it off his corpse.

>>135397230

>3 Gun safe for like 200

I was under the impression you needed two safes and they both had to be mounted or grounded?

I was also under the impression you had to go through way more hoops for a handgun kept on home premises (there's no way I'm dealing with a rifle sized safe - that's like dealing with a fridge).

In both cases they called - But they don't HAVE to call right?

My wife would flip over an unannounced visit from the police.

>>135397680
"read a book" isn't an argument kiddo

>>135388817
OP is retarded. we're 1000x more likely to be nuked or die of radiation poisoning before society collapses

>>135397922
you're a retard. Stop babbling please let the adult posters continue the discussion. Thanks

>>135397922
There will always be (((merchants))) who will give you a somewhat fair value for your gold.
Individuals are not the market.

>>135397904

Your Ad Hominem only strengthens the idea that you have no idea about any of this. I presented you with a Prepper Matrix early in this thread. You haven't even been able to grasp knowledge where it's being given to you free of charge.

Accept your shortcomings as the first step to overcoming them.

>>135397900
>Basically the value comes from it being rare and humans

So generally humans assigned value to it. The value isn't inherent.

>>135397731
>You can research
That's not how it works. You're claiming gold has an inherent value, you need to prove that gold has a value that isn't simply assigned by humans.

>>135397904
I swear to God you have to be a teenager. You get your ass handed to you, and you reply with a one-liner calling him a retard. Adults don't do that because they have shame.

>>135397982
You need one safe bolted down or weighing something like 300kg, your ammunition must be stored separately in a locked container (safes often come with these but they are quite small in a 3 gun safe), I keep mine in a locked steel toolbox. This is in Victoria.

As for handguns, it depends on the state, in Victoria they must be stored in a club.

My 3 gun safe is about as tall as the fridge section of a fridge/freezer combo and about 1/2 as wide.

>>135397773
Grains typically refers to bullet weight. A heavier bullet will be more accurate as it is less affected by wind and the like, but will also be slower. A lighter round will be faster and have a flatter trajectory but be more easily thrown off target by environmental factors.

If you need to shoot, you are going to shoot. Regardless of earpro or where you are. Having fired 9mm and 7.62x39 indoors I can tell you only the first shot matters because you will only feel consecutive shots.

>>135397977
you're truly a retard. Owning gold and proper supplies is not mutually exclusive (if you do not know what this means you can google it) your supplies will be useless unless there is full blown fallout style meltdown meanwhile an economic meltdown is entirely possible in which case your standard of living is protected by gold. If you were an adult you would realize value is not dictated solely by "what you can eat." Furthermore if you are so right about gold, why are govts and central banks around the world accumulating it? Oh yeah you did not know that because you're a mental midget

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>>135388817
>learn how to use Knife, survive outdoors and have a gun. (Try out Arma or some zombie survival game).
are you fucking serious?
I mean it's solid advice but fuck videogames

>>135398130

I have the same impression.

I'm guessing he's 17 tops.

>>135392148
>that pic
Fukken saved. Another based Nordbro.

>>135398119
you need to prove gold will not have value, onus is on you because gold has had value through all of human history, due to the seven properties of money you chose not to read about because you enjoy being poor

>>135398234

Still Ad Hominem in place of a real argument. Try again.

>>135398298
Did gold have utility during hurricane Katrina?

I would say having a house not made out of cardboard would have more utility in that situation.

>>135398298
>because gold has had value through all of human history
Yes. Value that is assigned by humans.

>due to the seven properties of money

That gold can and has been used as a store of value is not an argument that gold has an inherent value.

>>135398314
you're still a retard too. Most who read your posts in this thread will sympathize

>>135398357

There's no point, mate. This NatSoc LARPer is so blinded by gold that he neglects all other aspects of preparedness.

Let's just hope someone finds his starved corpse and can loot it off him :D

>>135398357
Katrina was an isolated event, not a fallout style meltdown, but it protected wealth if people had it. That was not a real crisis that was a chimpout. Whites left the area before things got out of control. Pick a more relevant example, oh wait you can't because you are an American retard

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>>135388817
The kikes are gonna do some crazy shit on 9/23 so it isn't far off

>red anti fire thing

>>135388817
also, can someone explain to me, how anyone's going to get anywhere when shit hits the fan and there aren't oil imports?

how about guns & ammo you cuckold

>>135397982

Hmmm.

Glock is like 800 bucks.

You can get tiny rapid access safes (I guess they're technically legal in Australia if they're selling them) for less than 400.

>>135398371
value throughout all of human existence is inherent value. So explain why that will stop being true when your fallout style apocalypse happens, since we already established if it's not a fallout style meltdown gold protects your standard of living

>>135397982
Also if they showed up your wife would not have to allow them in, you might be able to be compelled under law but as she holds no license she would not be able to fulfill what they want anyway (it would be illegal for her to have unrestricted access to the safe sans license)

>>135398459
>Katrina was an isolated event
>natural disasters are isolated events
>natural disasters aren't SHTF situations
Wow I almost wish you'd just call me a retard some more if this is the best argument you can come up with, moron.

>>135398441
if you are so poor you cannot afford to supplement your prep with gold then that's pretty sad m80. Sorry to hear that. For everyone else who has some money to properly prep, gold is an essential element of that effort

>>135398533

It stops having value the moment you try to trade it and no one wants your gold over what I have to offer (alcohol, ammo, medicine etc.).

People are more likely to trade what they have for what they need (i.e. toilet paper for other creature comforts like sugar) than they are to give up essentials for gold.

You're angry, I get it. It's not easy being told that you're wrong while trying to save face. Just listen to people who are only trying to help you.

>>135398557
if your best argument is Katrina, and you live in Australia... we can just end the conversation there. Have a nice day anon I hope you are prepared for the worldwide Katrina event kek

>>135398192

Yeah, the handgun license and storage seems ridiculously hard.

I don't want a rifle though. I had a .22 SKS as a kid and it was just way too big.

>>135398695
>natural disasters only happen in the US
Another strong rebuttal.

>>135392148
Stocks, state laws, toll coins...larper made this. Kek

>>135398533
>value throughout all of human existence is inherent value.

This is tautological. That humans assigned value to a thing for a long time does not mean it has an inherent value absent of human valuation.

> So explain why that will stop being true when your fallout style apocalypse happens

Other things that will be assigned greater value will be more valuable: Medical supplies and skills, firearms, ammunition, food, water, entertainment (books, movies, music etc.)

>since we already established if it's not a fallout style meltdown gold protects your standard of living

This still doesn't mean gold has an inherent value, it just means that the assigned value will likely not significantly depreciate if there is not a drastic, long term change to society.

>>135398642
preppers already have all the items you listed. The odds of there being a disaster so bad there is no government afterwards are very very minimal. Meanwhile if there is an event caused by say a dollar crisis you will not be properly prepared because you are myopic and poorly read. Sad but it's your grave to dig. Did you google "mutually exclusive" yet to learn about how retarded you are?

>>135398781

AnCap calling someone else a LARPer.. That's cute.

>>135398815
>Other things that will be assigned greater value will be more valuable: Medical supplies and skills, firearms, ammunition, food, water, entertainment (books, movies, music etc.)

Evidence of this? Based on all the history of human disasters and commerce I read it sounds like you are making shit up t b h

>>135398821

Let me put it this way.. I hope you're in Norway, because I would have it easy to loot all your valuables. You lack training, discipline and vision.

Hope your gold at least lets you sleep well at night.

>>135398485
A full tank of gas will take you far enough innawoods and the rest you hike.

>>135397269
>Chinese electronics
Absolutely a fire hazard only a matter of time before the chinks hit self destruct on all those iPhones

>>135398919
No I would kill you easily because you still have not googled "mutually exclusive." Kek. Since you clearly are not capable, not mutually exclusive means you do not have to choose only one or the other. To be more specific for your peanut brain, that means I can own prepping supplies you mentioned, such as guns, and gold! At the same time. It's amazing

>>135398485
>>135398964
Or better yet, were you smart to begin with, you live in the countryside/holler and have a fortified position right at home.

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>>135399037

I'll see you once the SHTF then. And don't think that flag will save you, even from a fellow NatSoc. Your attitude is poison to society and I would gladly take your life for the betterment of society :D

>>135395721
How many of you have actually been to Sweden? Ever?

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>>135398964

>Full tank of gas will take you far enough innawoods

Not in Ausfailia :(

>>135399171

I have. Stopped going after 2008 once I started seeing niggers at every turn.

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>>135399171
I don't need to be raped to tell you people are being raped.

>>135398907
>Evidence of this?

Literally any failed or failing state. In my personal experience Venezuela, as I know multiple people from Venezuela that have traveled here to the US in order to send back consumer goods that are cheap for us but hold immense value (toiletries, medicine even OTC, clothing). Because those are the items that the humans currently living in Venezuela have assigned value. I have yet to meet one who is sending gold back home.

I see though that you managed to not address my other points.

>>135399143
I'd like to see you try peasant

>>135398907
Dude do you think you can eat a gold bar? If you have no water or food for days but have bullets and two people want to trade with you one wants to offer you a gold bar you can barely carry the other a can of beans and bottle of water which will you take nigger?

Gold only has value as currency if you have necessities, you can't do shit with it unless you are wealthy with other shit first. People that are barely surviving barter for what they need. Eventually gold will have value again if society is rebuilt to where people can actually afford to buy shit

>>135399171

It's funny, because the part of Sydney I grew up in worse than any part of Sweden.

But most Ausfags just say;

>lol Sydney/Melbourne

>>135399245

I've tried to explain this to him over and over. He is too blinded to see the truth.

>>135399245
I have a really good friend in Venezuela and prices there change three times daily but one ounce of silver buys 1 month of good food for him and his girlfriend. Even the exampl you chose totally failed. This is why you need to read more, to prevent embarrassment and pain in the future

>>135399273

He isn't smart enough to understand this. People have been trying to explain it to him over and over.

Just let him sit there with his gold. We'll take it from him easily enough.

>>135395886
>They start growing their own food in the spring, to supplement their diet. You will see more people starting to repair broken stuff instead of buying new ones.
Everybody should do this all the time regardless of times.

>>135399273
google "mutually exclusive." Read the definition. Ponder it for a while. If you're not embarrassed you can come back and apologize for your failure to use logic

>>135399391

I agree, but you need to look at the average person's reliance on government to supply what they need. Most people think meat simply appear in the frozen isle at the grocery store. They have no idea of the actual cost of living.

>>135395001
>>135394799

Been lurking but god damn.
You have opened my eyes to the real Gun Porn the game

>>135399387
>but one ounce of silver buys 1 month of good food for him and his girlfriend.

That still doesn't address the argument you've tried to deflect: gold (or silver now) has no inherent value. Only a valuation assigned by humans.

>This is why you need to read more

You need to actually critically think about what you're reading.

>>135399388
hm interesting theory norcuck. Care to supply some evidence of gold failing during a crisis?

>>135399542

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/

Read all of it.

>>135399510
gold and silver do have inherent value. Well known fact. Try reading a book m80

i have a old radiation detection device because why not, it was 50 bucks.

>>135399388
>Just let him sit there with his gold. We'll take it from him easily enough.

lol

>>135399584
yeah he is a gold proponent top fucking kek

Daily reminder stop using kek

KEK was a kike plant

The God KEK was the Egyptian God of Chaos, The Mason/Illuminati motto is Order From Chaos

The song Shadilay and band PEPE with a magical frog on the album, and the fact that kikes own all the media and music labels
is no coincidence. The Shadilay song has the frog, magic and the word Jubal on the record label which appears in the old testament.
Genesis 4:21:And his brother's name was Jubal; he was the father of all such as handle the harp and pipe

KEK is idol worship and occult period. There is no argument against this except by shills. The term "God Emperor Trump" was coined by them and is what is called apotheosis and is occult. I am a Buddhist so all of this is rather stupid to me but it doesn't change the fact that they believe in the occult and it's purpose which is to mock and draw people away from Christianty. Kek is sac religous idol worship if you are a Christian.

This is Biblical scripture:

Revelation 16:12-17—And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared. And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon. And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

The kikes are trying to lead the right under controlled op into occultism/race war

>>135399596
Value isn't utility.

>>135399619

30 seconds in and you claim to have read it all. Lies will only get you so far, NatSoc LARPer.

Show your real flag.

>>135399391

>Should

Sort of. Time is a factor. It's good to be able to do it - but we live in societies now where it's often cheaper to get someone to repair your car and maintain it than do it yourself, freeing you up to have more time to earn money. Situations are different now.

>>135399607
people hide their gold and gold owners are armed to the tooth. Good luck with your delusion. Try googling "mutual exclusivity" then learn how to prep

>>135399677
you think you are the first person to read Martin Armstrong? How delusional are you???

>>135399701
dude just buy your gold and sftu no one cares. Try and eat it or trade it for food after a disaster and enjoy dying to death from starvation

>>135399596
>gold and silver do have inherent value. Well known fact.

If it's so well known then you wouldn't rely on such a circular argument that human valuation over the long term = inherent value absent human valuation. You would be able to explain plainly what the inherent value is (tip: it's not inherently valuable just because it's historically been used as a store of value, that still relies on a subjective valuation).

>>135399746

You have not once in this thread provided anything but Ad Hominem in place of a proper argument. Yet you assume that people should take your word based on what? Face value?

Just buy your gold. Sit in piles of it. What's with your obsession to get everyone else to do what you do?

If you're so sure, just do what you're doing. You'll be a God among insects, right?

The rest of us will manage just fine without you :D

>>135399761
wait so only things I can eat have value? Why are guns valuable then? Really activates my almond. Also are you so poor you cannot afford, food, supplies, guns and also gold? If so I'm sorry to hear that and you're probably doing the best you can given your dire financial circumstances

>>135399697
How much money do you need?

>>135399862
just dropping in on a circle jerk of poorly read people with big opinions. The anti-gold poorfegs on here are great fun. Similar to bitcoin haters. Worshipping jewbucks and never reading about the past. Obviously time will tell but until then I want you know how retarded you sound

>>135399915
something tells me gold wouldn't be that valuable. food stuff like that would though.

>>135400075
>something tells me gold wouldn't be that valuable
Don't worry kiddo you're wrong about a lot of things. Use this as inspiration to begin to learn about financial history! It will be good for you

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>>135400051

What makes you think that I don't have gold? You clearly haven't understood anything that's being said here.

You keep spewing out your "mutually exclusive" mantra, but that's not what's being debated here.

Show your real flag, unless you're ashamed of where you're from.

Try arguing without Ad Hominem. Just try it.

>>135400160
thank you sensa

>>135388817
ANTIBIOTICS

You won't be able to find that shit after a while so don't be the idiot who dies of an easily treatable illness and stockpile that shit!

>>135400051
>The anti-gold poorfegs on here are great fun.

No one is anti-gold. Everyone is just pointing out that gold has, and always has had, a subjective valuation assigned by humans. A valuation that wouldn't exist absent humans.

The only difference between paper tender and gold is that gold has been used as a store of value, but that doesn't change that the valuation itself is subjective and not inherent.

When this was pointed out you got booty blasted and started spazzing all over the keyboard.

>>135400212
if you understand mutual exclusivity, the lack of it in this scenario, then you understand there is literally no reason except financial restrictions that prevent gold from being incorporated into a prepping strategy. Congrats

>>135399642
So whatever happens, however their plans fall apart, it's always a kike plant? How about no.

And you do realize the whole God Emperor thing is ironic, right?

>>135400274

Pro tip: Regular antibiotics can't be easily purchased in large quantities without a prescription from a doctor. You can, however, get fish antibiotics that are labeled "not fit for human consumption", but in reality they are.

Just google dosages in advance.

>>135388817
This is the most autistic thing I've read all morning.

>>135388921
EMP=no worky

>>135400293
>The only difference between paper tender and gold is that gold has been used as a store of value, but that doesn't change that the valuation itself is subjective and not inherent.

You bring tremendous shame to that flag. Please seppuku instead of blabbing about something you've never read or studied plz

>>135400413

He has a DEUS VULT flag and thinks video games can teach you about guns. Autistic is being modest :p

>>135399915
lol @ insulting people dude spend your money however you want, why are you defending it so hard when literally no one gives a fuck

>>135400426
I think Humvees have been specifically made EMP prooof.

>>135400483

Note that he's ashamed of his real flag as well, with a narcissistic need to defend his choice to everyone else.

Textbook psycho.

>>135400426
A global EMP would pretty much be an extinction-level event. Nuclear reactors would go boom uncontrollably and it'd be all ogre.

>>135400504

Hummers are not Humvees are.

>>135400386
I did not know this. I always just kept whatever I get from the doc in storage and suffered the illness.

>>135400439

So if gold has an inherent value, please explain how the value of gold can fluctuate.

>>135400483
anti-gold and anti-bitcoin are two of the most cancerous types of posters here. Implicitly it supports jewbucks therefore breaking jewbucks conditioning is worthwhile

>>135400644

I disagree. People like you are more cancerous to society, as you lack any ability to work and cooperate with other human beings.

Show your real flag.

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>>135396527
You know you can cut metal up into small pieces, right?

They even sell gold in in 50 gram rectangles that you can snap off into 1g pieces. Pic related

If the system goes down i simply drive to my batallion
There is gear and vehicles,gas food etc there
The army will never go away
We know eachother, we support eachother and we have weapons
Even if everything collapses, our commander in our barrack would still be our commander
I have all my military gear at home, in 10 minutes i would be fully equipped and ready
Only need my rifle
Either way, i rather join them than staying alone in the woods
Its much more safe

>>135400716
I've done more to break the jewbucks meme than anyone you know. Pipe down cuck

>>135400588
>Hummers are not Humvees are.

A diesel engine, such as that found in a HMMWV, should continue running so long as you don't shut it off in the event of an EMP. At least according to the US Army, so it's probably smart to take that with a grain of salt.

>>135400026

Again, variable. Where I live anything less than 100k USD a year and you're fucked, long term.

>>135400729
Sure, that's not a brick though, and doesn't seem to readily be some kind of argument against my assertion.

Gold is only subjectively valuable. If shit really his the fan, food and weapons will be the currency.

>>135400274

What really worries me is glasses. I need to get laser done. If SHTF now, I'm fucked, as I wear glasses.

Plus dental. That worries me.

Worst part is I'm allergic to penicilin.

>>135388817
Nothing's hitting the fan, nothing's happening. Get on with society and make use of yourself, stop communicating with young people on a far right internet forum and do something with your life that you're satisfied with.
You will not be in the woods surviving when "the world ends", stop fantasizing these escapist thoughts and do something productive today.

>>135400853
false

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>>135400868

>>135392148

Do you know how to make soap?
Candles?

Also I see no one has posted the "SHTF in war torn Yugoslavia" cap yet, but that had solid advice. Can't find it in my folders, but people who lived through a SHTF scenario advised that BIC lighters are worth their weight in gold. Buy 100 lighters. They'll be valuable if shit ever goes down because people will always need to be able to make a fire.

>>135400961

I do, actually. Pig fat has a lot of uses.

>>135400967
Personally I own a zippo, can run on a bunch of stuff.

>>135400991

cool

>>135400644
Gold and Bitcoin are fantastic for getting away from jewbucks... But they still have little to no intrinsic value, only what is assigned to them. Gold's only REAL value is decorative or as a machining component... A brick of gold won't feed you, shelter you, or stop a raging nog from killing you.

>>135388817
I want to add that you're clinically retarded and I cannot wait to learn that you have died by choking on your own spit on the news soon.

>>135401065
If you only have one you can't trade it for anything without losing your ability to start a fire. Having 100 disposable ones is better.

Important and overlooked items to stock up on:
1. Lighters. Bic lighters are good. These can be used for trade.
2. Candles. Same as above.
3. Alcohol. Becomes very valuable when SHTF.
.

>>135401174

Don't feed the troll. He's been at it for over an hour now.

>>135400868
ah, come on dad were having fun.

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>>135400868
You might want to check your own back yard there ,amigo! You seem to be suffering from what is commonly known as a zerg rush.

>>135401208
Good point.

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Posting the /k/ innawoods infographics.

>>135390261
>We use fiat money because it's easier to do things with it having a universal item we can exchange for ANYTHING.
>literally falling for the debt money Jew

That's the reason we use money. We use fiat so that Jews might tax the utility of money via debasement.

>>135401222
pipe down cuck

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>>135401454

>>135401496

You're still afraid of showing your real flag. Not much of a "National" Socialist, are you?

>>135401174
Bitcoin has no instrinic value but Gold does. You're arguing what you wish was true instead of what is actually true

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>>135401513
Done.

>>135393472
yeah you wouldnt want to be as competent and well trained as anders breivik who trained using CoD. You a cuck will end up like that dipshit who shot at the republicans at a baseball game, spray and pray missing all your targets.

>>135397680
or just look to Venezuela where currently precious metals arent worth shit, people need food and water not fucking gold you dumb goy.

>>135401552
Gold gains its value the exact same way bitcoin does, scarcity.

It doesn't have utility within this discussion beyond trading or preserving wealth.

You're asserting you have everything you need, so trading to you has 0 utility, ergo gold has 0 utility.

You literally cannot argue that gold has intrinsic value and bitcoin does not when their value is determined by the exact same factor.

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>>135395733
Nice! How is the water quality?

>>135401712
false, you are talking out your ass, precious metals are holding their value tremendously well in Venezuela right now kek

>>135400542
probably right, i think NK really wants to hit the west coast of the US, SK Japan with an EMP blast.. Worry about that more than any downfall of society in my life. my kid on the other hand, teaching him skills already (martial arts, hardcore swimming, hiking, fishing, camping, gun range).

>>135401268
Funny, i like it. The remaster for brood war sucks though.

>>135401240
Stop, this is slow and stale. There's much better things to be doing today, surely. I bet it's sunny outside, go and get some snacks from the store and watch a good movie, find something to work your mind.

>>135400950
I'm the best' tripfag' here.

>>135401821
you chose not to read about the seven properties of money so you still do not understand why gold is money and the characteristics of gold that make it uniquely suited to be money, which is why it has always been money. Try reading more and complaining less

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>>135396010
>Just Point and Shoot

K Aussie Faggot. Its a good thing you niggers dont have firearms on that island

>>135401994
As I've stated to you, "read a book" isn't an argument.

You're not refuting at all what I'm saying, it's completely inane. Is this the power of National Socialism?

>>135395928
games don't teach shit about ballistics or scope/sights

maybe that's the reason women tend to shoot better than men after some basic instruction? sheilas don't think they know everything after years of playing call of dickhead or faggotfield

>>135402082
read about the seven properties of money or any collection of financial history then we can discuss

>>135402191
Is the issue that you're not articulate enough to asset your position?

>>135396010
why are you lying?

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>>135401559
As someone who has hammock camped do not get a net hammock as in pic. Anyone who thinks because it is off the ground so it's warmer has never used a hammock in the wild. The wind blowing under the hammock will strip all the heat out of you. Get a proper hammock and an underquit. Or a double layer zippy hammock and put a poncho liner between.

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>>135401943
You like zerg rushes? I don't have any zergling pics. Here have a xenomorph. Close enough. Comes with it's own vitriolage attack.

>>135402255
This is basic information, sad the education system has fallen so far, and we cannot hope to have an informed discussion until we have two informed participants. If you decide to do any reading you might feel embarrassed at first but just know everyone starts off with poorly formed ideas about money, that is how jewbucks persist

>>135396390
>there is huge money in building - for now.
and more in plumbing or electrical work, which doesn't go away even if the housing bubble pops

but the beauty of working a trade is that you'll acquire mates in every other trade and get cheaper/better help on all the shit you can't do yourself

brother in law was a carpenter and was rorting the shit out of it after buying a house - any electrical or plumbing or whatever else he can just call up a mate for

>>135388817

>gold will always have value.

I hate this idea. In a fallen world, what use is a shiny metal? It has no inherent value beyond what humans give it. You can't eat gold, you can only trade it, and then only if someone else agrees that they want it for its supposed value.

I think a better idea would be to stockpile long-life foodstuffs or seeds, Who won't need to grow food come the apocalypse? You can then grow your own food. I'd rather receive something of immediate use than something that relies on other people agreeing to its value.

>>135402504
false, you are making shit up with no basis. Try again

>>135402639
wrong

you are pretending there are no examples

every time society collapses gold is immediately worthless, people need food and water you dumb flag hiding yurocuck

>>135402427
I will reiterate for a third time, "read a book" isn't an argument.

I can only assume at this point you can't or won't present an argument and instead will continue to hide behind some contingent arbitrary excuse to refrain from doing so.

It's sad to see someone so consumed by their thoughts and yet unable to even articulate them.

>>135402706
false, where are the proofs? Gold has had value for all of human existence. Also current govts are accumulating physical gold, China in particular

>>135401858
wrong

>>135402739
read a book and get back to us kiddo

>>135401513
>Flint and steel
DROPPED
ferrocium rods are superior in every way

>>135388817
You are a huge faggot and your post makes no sense. First things people should buy are a couple of plastic 5000 liters water containers and a supply of food (start with a 2 week supply and go from there) of non perishable stuff they like to eat, not just fucking honey.
Also buy two 5 liters bottles of bleach, a big pack of trashbags and disposable paper/plastic dishes and forks/knives/spoons.
Then worry about getting some toilet paper and baby wipes + soap (bars, not liquid) + teeth cleaning stuff.
For those of you who live in sunny places buy a solar shower. They cost less than 20 euros
. Even if you have no garden and just a balcony you can grow some vegetable. Grow staple foods (potatoes and not tomatoes) and learn the basics of gardening.
Gutters on your roof (not all houses have them) can be used to harvest rainwater.
Get a fire extinguisher

Guns, gas masks and other shit come later and will rarely if every be used. Stop LARPing

>>135388817
have a cabin 2 hours north on a well stocked lake

>>135402815

You should always have more than one way to light a fire, so you're both correct.

>>135391724
You don't need toothpaste, just having a toothbrush is enough. Use fine ash (from your fires) occasionally to get rid of tartar without damaging the enamel.

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>>135388817
>Red anti fire thing

>>135390261
>>Economy collapses
>New government will be elected put forth reforms to rebuild and stimulate local economies
>just stimulate it lmao
Kys boomer

>>135403282
what else would you call it? a portable fire department??

>>135403338
>just stimulate it lmao
That's literally what is done to get out of economic recessions. What do you think governments did after the crisis in 1929?

>>135403402
a fire extinguisher?

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>>135403451