Okay, where does the GOP go after this disaster?

>>135367603
Well that depends on if they want to act like adults or petulant children.

Neo cons will probably be replaced with anti-establishment cons if not ousted by libs and brain cancer

>>135367603
We need term limits.

Move on to Tax Reform. Cut all the money you need for that from welfare and food stamps.

>>135367603
>GOP
>go
>implying the GOP can make progress
>implying they won't just continue to fail

The problem with electing people that detest and try to constantly stall government is that at some point they might have to actually govern themselves. It's like hiring pedophiles to teach kindergarten, it's just not gonna work out. GOP voters didn't realize this.

>Okay, where does the GOP go after this disaster?
Obamacare continues to collapse. The GOP does not need to go anywhere.

The Democrats will continue to wear the Obamacare weight around their necks until further notice.

lord Donald has spoken. Obamacare will fail miserably after numerous bailouts.

the people will revolt and vote out any Obamacare supporters left in Congress.

GOP re election successful in 2020.

Obamacare repealed 2020.

just wait a few years. jeez. McCain will hopefull be dead by then.

>>135367815
How can we move onto tax reform if we haven't done health care reform?

>>135367603
becoming more and more apparent this faggot just loves the spotlight.

It was always all about him.

Rot in hell stupid faggot, its not far away.

>>135367815
>cut programs that cost very little
>thinking that even makes a dent

>>135367973
But a Reuters poll shows the majority of Americans will blame Republicans if Obamacare fails:

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-healthcare-idUSKBN1AC1G0

WHAT SHALL WE DO

>>135367603
Someone should've gotten up and given this motherfuck the Charles Sumner treatment. We need corporal punishment reintroduced at the highest levels of government.

>>135368188
Sorry, I'm drunk, I posted the wrong link. I will find it soon enough.

>>135367995
This is correct. Trump and the GOP are now playing the long game.

If Democrats think that Obamacare is magically sustainable, they're deluding themselves. Trump has already killed enforcement of the mandate by executive order.

The law cannot hold together without it and premiums are going to skyrocket as the insurance companies desperately try to cover costs.

Trump and the GOP are going to demagogue it mercilessly by saying, "We TRIED to fix this in July 2017, but the DEOMCRATS AND MCCAIN stopped us! Blame them!"

It'll work too. Obamacare has been the gift that keeps on giving for Republican politicians. It's actually not hard to see why they don't want it to go away.

>>135368188
>poll
Anon, please.

Obamacare has been literally AIDS infected cancer for the Dems for its entire existence and will remain theirs until the day it die.

>>135368008
It's gonna be a shit show. They can't even agree on the terms of something they've been bitching about for 7 years, how the fuck does anyone expect them to come up with a budget for the whole federal government when more individual factors are in play?

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>>135367603
>McCain
>GOP

He's a RINO and a warmonger

I'll celebrate when he dies

>>135367603
BASED RAND SAYS GET FUCKING REKT MCCAIN HAHAHAHA

http://dailycaller.com/2017/07/28/mccain-blasts-rand-for-blocking-annual-defense-bill-vote/

>>135368299
All right here we go

Here's some:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1IQWVQClL7D0AP6N_-ioklzOW9jnNZlcVqAbkynpcC7o/edit#gid=0

And here's some more:
http://www.kff.org/interactive/public-opinion-on-aca-replacement-plans-interactive/

I swear to God I had more polls but I'm too wasted to find and link them so you can eat SHIT.

Next year im voting for every non rino/gope republican i can

>>135367810
>>135367810
Too late, if the US doesn't get its shit together in the next 4 years it's all over. Rabid Dems will be out in full force to vote next round.

>>135368422
>They can't even agree
They would if the neocons and faggot leftists didn't vote no just because Trump wants it.

>>135368515
LOL. They can't function already and you want to introduce more chaotic asshats. Good luck governing anything.

term limits are for assholes
obama would have clean trump's clock

>>135367603
Keeping on trying to create tax cuts for billionaires and failing to do anything meaningful.

>>135368515
don't blindly vote, look over who is running, look who's getting in, and if the guy getting in follows your ideals better, PUSH LIKE FUCK TO GET THEM IN.

the problem is alot of these clowns live off tax dollars, never really do much and when they do, its just to stay in office.

remember congressman have the absolute best wallstreet trading record in history. ask yourself.. why.

>>135368475
Trolling by procedure. Well played by the distinguished gentleman from Kentucky.

ok you guys but

what if you had a stroke out of nowhere

this is the shit that concerns me, it's the real reason I started this thread.

you could have a stroke at ANY time. what do we do about this? what's Trump's policy on spontaneous strokes?

>>135368607
>blaming leftists
>having majorities in every branch of government

Pick one

>>135367603
indict indict indict those who didn't follow Donald's agenda

>>135368643
My vote will cancel yours fag u mad

guys i have to poop
answer my stroke question!! > : (

>>135368475
Randlet 2024.... based motherfucker has my vote

>>135367603
Single payer.

I know you burgers have had it drummed in to you for a few generations about the evils of socialism, but you've got a socialised military - which is pretty impressive, imagine what you could accomplish with socialised medicine, instead of trying to make being sick a profit driven industry.

>>135368810
>/pol/ the post

>>135368646
>obama would have clean trump's clock
But he didn't and in fact Trump cleaned Obama and Hillary's collective clocks.

>(((You))): B...But if... if... if... if...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poz6W0znOfk

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>>135367603
Consider, for instance, that the ultimate outcome would have been the same if John McCain had simply remained in the hospital. In fact the entire ill-fated TrumpCare fiasco would have died three days sooner. McCain made a point of showing up and voting to open the debate just so he could defeat the whole thing in the end. Did he want credit for killing such an unpopular bill? Did he want to teach Mitch McConnell a lesson about violating Senate rules? Did he just want to stick it to Donald Trump one last time? Who knows. But he wanted to make a point.

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The republicans have no clear leadership on Healthcare. They have been kinda limp of full repeal for a while now.

I can support it if I don't know what it is or its too fucking complex to understand or tell anyone about.

Trump Will endorse ant establishment GOP candidates for congress and will create a super majority in 2018. He is preparing the death of neoconservatism. People will vote for Trump's approved candidates. Watch and see, this is exactly why GOP has won the special elections. Idiot rhinos believe they can push back and retain power over Trump, but only Trump's guys will get to the congress. His populism is too damn stronk.

>>135367603
ew wtf is that on his eyebrow??

Hey, did you guys ever drink alcohol before?
Because it seems like you didn't
since you're not helping a drunk boy out over here
Are you all like <17 years old? What the fuck gives??? I need some assistance.

>>135367603
we kick out the cucks starting with paul ryan.

>>135367603
I voted for Trump, not the GOP. I guess it's time for Trump to endorse third party candidates to replace unreliable GOP Senators and Congressmen.

>>135368858

Great so instead of insurance companies raping my wallet to pay for leeches the government will be taking over that duty.

No thanks, the government has already proven it can't do anything correctly.

>>135368918
Ah, you seem to be misremembering. Barack Obama was not up for reelection. If he had been,. he would have won in a landslide.

>>135368950
>Why Obamacare is a mistake the post
The whole issue with Obamacare is it was a mistake and now we are all stuck with the mess.

>>135368837
>My vote will cancel yours fag u mad
You don't even know if we live in the same state much less district.

>>135367603
This traitorous scumbag can't die soon enough.

>>135369104
District doesn't matter in a Presidential election.

>>135368858
get the fuck out... if i have a serious medical problem, shit to mediocre socialized medicare is the last thing i want.

Kill yourself please.

>>135367603
Move on to to immigration reform. There is literally no issue that is more important, and I'm sick of Congress wasting its time and energy on health care. At this rate, nothing is going to get passed before the 2018 election.

>>135367603
What GOP? Republicans are fuckin cowards. I hope a hit team murders them and their families.

>>135369101
The whole issue with Obamacare is that a black guy signed it into law and now all the racists are shitting their pants

>>135369141
>Next year im voting for every non rino/gope republican i can

Pretty sure there's no Presidential election next year....

>>135367995
>>135368340
How do you know the opposite won't happen?

>Obamacare fails
>public blames the republicans in power for letting it fail
>vote democrat

>>135367603
Right back into the cuckshed, they almost got a foot out of the door too. SAD!

>>135369058
>Ah, you seem to be misremembering.
You seem to be misremembering that you and that nigger Obama do not live in liberal la la land but rather in the United States of America.

That nigger and his faggots followers felt like they had it under control and there was no way they could lose after 8 years of the nigger king. All you needed to do was past the torch on to the Pedo Queen. Well.... that is not how the universe works.

>If
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poz6W0znOfk

>>135369308
I didn't say that. I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. I'm going to get drunk on Svedka now.

>>135369308
joking or retarded? Reference is to midterms

>>135369362
>>135369314
>>135369313
>>135369308
>>135369216
>>135369207
>>135369155
>>135369149
>>135369141
>>135369117
>>135369104
>>135369101
>>135369058
>>135369052
>>135369034
>>135369023
>>135368982
answer me you horsefuckers
>>135368961

>>135369362
Obama never liked Clinton. Do you remember the primary in 2008? Those wounds never healed. Obama only tepidly supported Clinton because she was the DNC's nominee.

>>135369362
> IF IF IF IF

Which one of the 57 states did he do that in?

>>135369216
They've also found out after bitching for 7 years that repealing it would fuck everybody way worse than keeping the bill in place and they have no real solutions.

>>135367603
2018 supermajority. The problems with obamacare won't go away and its supporters will be unelectable.
McCain knows he'll be dead by then anyway so he loses nothing by going full accelerationist.

>>135369438
Most likely a scar from his recent eye surgery

>>135369428
>joking or retarded? Reference is to midterms
Holy fuck follow the conversation shitdick

>>135369493
It is much easier to bitch than it is to come up with a national health care solution.

>>135369493
at least the leeches would get cut off

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>>135368858
>you've got a socialised military

So the same folks that pay 800$ for a toilet seat and just lost 2.3 trillion dollars in 2001 are going to be in charge of my health care? What could possibly go wrong?

>>135367603
Skinny repeal would have been disastrous without a proper followup, and I have little faith that Congress would have followed up after passing it. Congress needs to tackle the question of healthcare costs from the ground up, and it starts by examining why healthcare costs in the United States are so far out of line with the rest of the world.

>>135369616
i am, shithead

>>135369216
>The whole issue with Obamacare...
is that after 8 years and multiple bailouts it is still collapsing, rates are going up, and insurers are dropping out.

That "black guy signed it into law" and the whole country is struck with yet another problem caused by a nigger.

Now we all get to watch Obamacare and John "Brain Dead" McCain die together.

>Elected nigger
>Nigger ruins the entire nations health care and insurance system

Leave it to a nigger to fuck something and leave it for someone else to have to fix.

>>135369149
You're more likely to develop minor / routine conditions over your life - and you'll continue to pay through the nose for it as they price gouge you.

So it seems the republicans only option here is to offer a even larger entitlement.

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>>135367669
>Well that depends on if they want to act like adults or petulant children.

>>135369727
>Next year im voting for every non rino/gope republican i can
me:LOL. They can't function already and you want to introduce more chaotic asshats. Good luck governing anything.
>My vote will cancel yours fag u mad
me: You don't even know if we live in the same state much less district.
>District doesn't matter in a Presidential election.
me:Pretty sure there's no Presidential election next year....
>joking or retarded? Reference is to midterms

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>>135368544

If that happens we will have a civil war. Quote me on that. The U.S. is at a tipping point. Having a democratic dominated congress with Trump as president will push it over the edge.

>>135369473
>Obama never liked Clinton.
Of course. Hillary hates niggers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0uCrA7ePno

>Blah blah blah Hillary was a bad choice
You faggots on the left love to claim you are so much smarter than us dumb old rednecks (even though most of us do not live in the US nor are we white) but you picked the literal worst candidate possible. You faggots are idiots.

>>135367603
Obamacare isn't here to stay anyway. Most Americans want single payer healthcare.

>>135370163
t. nip jew shill

look into the McCain Foundation and from whom the money was received and where the money was given. Also any John McCain/McCain Foundation 'help" with "children". Search (voat.co/v/pizzagate )to see if any leads are there. Any links with the Clintons, Podestas, Soros, Jeffrey Epstein, Rothschilds,? How about Navy time and the USS Forrestal? How about his daddy (Admiral) and the attack on the USS Liberty in 1967 by Is-ra-hell?

>>135367603

they let obamacare die a miserable death and democrats get the blame for it

>but it isnt their fault

THEY WONT REPEAL IT, RETARD

>>135370225
holy /pol/

>>135370123
Trump will not be reelected. They will get the presidency and congress. We will be like most of Europe in less than a decade. We have 3 years.

>>135369772
what the fuck do you know about it kiwi?

thats not the way it was before.

Besides id rather overpay for top notch medical care than get royally fucked when my ass is on the line.

You be happy waiting months for cancer treatment... keep it the fuck put of here.

The government should have no business telling me when i can and cannot have treatment. Keep it the fuck out of here.

>>135368181
Shit up you retarded nigger, implementing a rule that you dont have to pay for obongocare anymore would kill that shit faster.

>>135370290
>THEY WONT REPEAL IT
This is the smart political move.

Obamacare will continue to directly harm the Americans people and when the rates hike happen in 2018 the President on down can point to OBAMACARE and John "Insane in the membrane" McCain.

>>135370225
>>135370337
Clever leftists figured out Pizzagate is reusable retard bait.

>>135370377
>We have 3 years.
Probably right. The gates are going to open up soon enough anyway at this rate.

>>135370377
Maybe Senate and Presidency, the House is very unlikely

>>135367603
I want a civil war so bad i cant stand it

>>135370377
>Trump will not
Where did I hear this before?! HHHHHHHHHMMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....................................

>>135370638
did you even reply to the right post?

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>>135370377

You are looking at civil war at that point. Conservatives are done with liberals bullshit. If that happens I guarantee there will be some sort of civil war. We inch closer and closer to it every day.

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>>135368475

>>135368752

NoFap isn't that hard man.

McCain is such a fucking shill. No wonder the scumbag got his ass kicked by the Dems in 2008. Hope the POS never gets elected again.

>>135370016
oh sorry guess other anon was retarded :3

>>135368509

McCain lit the match that blasted a rift in the GOP and now Rand is making the rift bigger. Pretty soon the GOP will be a fractured mess that will be able to work LESS with each other than they did now.

The Dems have almost no power, anybody that thinks this is somehow a victory or 8D chess by the GOP is deluding themselves.

This is an epic FAIL, and basically kills anything getting done until the mid-terms. Tax Reform couldn't be done without Healthcare. There's a debt ceiling coming where Republicans will again tear at each other throats.

The #1 promise of Republicans over the last 7 years, to repeal and replace Obamacara, is dead. It was a lie.

And it's okay from Trump to say "let Obamacare implode" by Governors can't do that there will be mass consequences. They'll need to shore it up.

States still refusing the Medicare expansion will continue to suffer, and for no reason now that Obamacare survived.

Disaster.

>>135370838
>Conservatives are done with liberals bullshit
They will do nothing, been this way for decades. Various alt right groups would but they are small in number and face constant admonishment from the conservatives. 3 years or it's over, there will be no civil war.

>>135368475
I enjoy that Rand wants poor people in his own state of Kentucky to die.

>>135370838
>If that happens I guarantee there will be some sort of civil war. We inch closer and closer to it every day.
Cuckservatives will give in. Do you think any of these "good Christians" are going to stand behind attacking law enforcement that work for a tyrannical democrat government?

>>135367815
IIRC, we wouldn't need much money to reform the tax code. Just close all the loop holes, and you could then afford to lower the tax rate on everyone while still remaining revenue neutral. Right now our tax code is basically subsidizing an entire industry of lawyers.

>>135370672

Seth Rich, too.

>>135371075
>people were constantly dying before obamacare
good try retard

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>>135370754
>>135370838
>>135371065
It's coming. Politics and the rhetoric is becoming 3rd world tier in U.S.
Won't be long before extremists take more and more violent steps and it escalates.
Look at the way each side talks about each other now.

>>135371030

He got re-elected in '16 and he'll probably die before he finishes his term so wish granted.

>>135370123

Grow up. That's literally the same thing people were saying about Bush.

The "Civil War" will be a mass purge of Republicans from Government and a Dem President.

Just like what happened to Bush, and then Obama.

Trump as POTUS with a Dem Congress will mean Trump will probably return to his Dem roots and work with them.

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>>135367603
Fuck McCancer.

This is where everyone realizes the Conservative establishment is just as bad as the Liberal one. Sellouts on both sides. Almost makes me ashamed to be American.

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>>135368960
>Trump Will endorse ant establishment GOP candidates for congress and will create a super majority in 2018.
Consider both these tweets in light of what has transpired in the last several days.
Both Spicer (ex-Comm. Director for the NRC) & Preibus (longtime RNC Chair) are now expunged. Do not be surprised if Trump actually switches his Party Registration to Independent or some MAGA party before the year is out and throws the Republican party itself under the bus. Doing so, would cleave the GOP in half like when Teddy Roosevelt broke with the Republicans in the early 20th Century and challenged Taft for the Presidency under the Bull Moose Party. His big government populist base has never been a good fit for the fiscally conservative neocons that control the levers of party power in Congress right now.

Remember he owes the GOP nothing and they have sought to enact policies directly contradicting his campaign pledges. The question is where would this leave VP Pence?

>>135371276
Unfortunately it's really the only way forward, but if it doesn't happen before Trump's term is over it never will.

>>135371425
NeverTrumpers didn't go anywhere.

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>>135367603
single payer healthcare.

>>135371413
You are not Best Korea.

Kim needs to do all of us a solid and nuke you faggots ASAP!

>>135371336
It's happened before, nothing preventing it from happening again.
The young today are as ignorant and easily swayed as they were 150 years ago, we've regressed.
>>135371471
It just depends. If they impeach/violently remove Trump, civil war is likely.
Other triggers are probable too, like the guy a few weeks back shooting at republicans, antifa getting more violent.
The left has become brainwashed and violent, and attacks are inevitable. Not sure which one will spur retaliation.

>>135371582
Fuck off, Commie. My God, Kim supporters are such fucking retards.

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>>135369473
Also because DWS supposedly was going to fabricate dirt on Obama which is why he allowed her to remain DNC Chair even though her tenure saw the downballot genocide of the Dem bench.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/debbie-wasserman-schultz-dnc-226100
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/debbie-wasserman-schultz-planned-to-accuse-obama-of-being-anti-woman-and-anti-semitic/article/2560566

>>135372019
Please archive or screenshot

>http://politico com/story/2016/07/debbie-wasserman-schultz-dnc-226100
https://archive.is/3yLcu

>>135371777
noticed

the right isn't like the left, we aren't violent savages. nothing will spur retaliation. we would need explicit approval from no less than the president himself before most would engage.

>>135372018
>Commie
>Kim supporter
Kim is based as fuck and the sooner he nukes you worthless Shit Korea gooks the better.

>>135372121
You're correct in a sense, the right isn't likely to start anything other than isolated cases, but if things escalate we will defend ourselves and our allies. All bets are off if something happens to Trump though.
I believe what will happen is something will trigger leftists to increase the attacks, which is already happening. This is what will kick it off.

>>135372216
>thinks a brutal Communist regime full of starving farmers is better than a developed Capitalist nation
>calling Kim "based" when he turned into a fatass and changed his look so he could resemble kim il-sung
My God, how fucking retarded can you BE?

>>135372216
>flag
ironic or serious, opinion immediately discarded.

>>135372482
I believer there are many leftist Timothy Mcveigh types floating around

>>135372959
Yeah same, and with the media calling conservatives the nazis, it's legitimizing and fueling the fire.
Only a matter of time.

>>135372880
Whats wrong? Kim not giving into (((your))) banking cartel? Need to prove to him that (((you))) control the world?

(((You))) are not fooling anyone and the death of the literal Jew (((Otto Warmbier))) was all for nothing.
http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/North-Korea-threatens-Israel-with-merciless-thousand-fold-punishment-489316

>>135372674
Also, >My God, how fucking retarded can you BE?
Your shit tier country was run by cultist until she was finally impeached.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_South_Korean_political_scandal

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>>135373445
Not an argument

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>>135373676
neither is that

>>135373838
Still not an argument

>>135373989
way to kill the thread faggot

>>135368188
all of the polls are just lies anyways

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>>135367603
>GOP

nobody has cared about the GOP since 2012, OP.

They're a dead fucking relic of the post-Reagan era where "conservatism" became the same as liberalism. May it all rot in Hell.

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>>135368188
all thanks to inbreeds like mccain who campaigned on repealing it and fixing healthcare. only to turn around and vote no to keep it and do nothing to fix it.

all i know is this, mccain signed the destruction of the republican control of the senate. the democrats WILL retake the senate in 2018 thanks to mccain.

the house will probably stay in republican control but be severely weakened.

trump will probably lose in 2020 because if the democrats take control of the senate in 2018, we sit here now thinking trump can't get things done, but when the dems take over, NOTHING, will get done. and you can ensure an increased in probing trumps actions and doing everything they can to block trump will increase 200x over the current outrageous levels.

simply, you think things are bad now, wait till 2018 when the democrats take the senate. its sad really. republicans have control of everything and they flounder like a fish. all thanks to small group of individuals like mccain. this country is simply doomed. i don't know what democrat will take the presidency in 2020 but its going to be a dark day in america.

and for those who say "trump has a plan to wage war against the gop! maybe even siding with democrats!"

mark my words. if ANY democrat works with trump, its a plan to undermine trump. not a single damn democrat can be trusted. and trump will get stabbed in the back like he did by his fellow republicans. the deep state runs to deep.

>>135367603

Hopefully to his funeral.

>>135374161
You could have had an argument but came up empty.

>>135368515
Bingo. They know white people vote in midterms. I will vote for every hardcore Godamn conservative I can fucking research. I swear to God moderate republicans will be pushed the fuck out of office. We will meme every single district if we have too. I fucking swear to God.

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>>135374677
>arguing against gibberish
ok then

>>135367603

didn't mccain technically just have a lobotomy?

>>135374827
Not being able to handle the bantz sounds like a personal problem.

>>135368942
Death to McCain and a anybody who thinks like him. Moderate Republicans will be gassed with the Jews now.

>bongo puts in ACA and its a piece of shit
>reps get majority but do nothing to fix it
>public gets sick of it and dems take senate
>dems come out with reforms to keep ACA but fix it
>gop gets the shit kicked out of it for the next decade and dems win presidency in 2020

we were mistaken, it was the dems that were playing 6.5D interdimensional hopscotch

>>135368960
Yaaaaassssssss. You get it.

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>>135374528

>>135374915
>bantz
nigger you're like that homeless guy that argues with people trying to get to their car.
it's fucking nonsense and people are just avoiding you.
ffs.

>>135375034
>public gets sick of it and dems take senate
>public gets sick of (OBAMACARE) and the Dems continue to lose
WEW LAD

>INB4: The over 1000 seats lost by Dems since 2008 was just a fluke and 2016 was her turn!! 2 SCOOOPPPSSS!!!!!

>>135375194
this was for that
>>135374956

>>135375194

go to bed

>>135374493
god you shills are pathetic

>>135367603
they're going to impeach drumpf
>congress no longer has a use for him
>congress eager to have pence take over

>>135369313
Because we just tried to fix it by getting rid of it faggot. Now they can live with Obamacare. 3 traitor Republicans just insured the death of Neocons. Party goes hard right because trump tells it too. This really is trumps America now. McCain just made our cause much more desperate and potent. This could be civil war if democrats and moderates try it right now. But only right now. Like now now.

>>135371425
>Do not be surprised if Trump actually switches his Party Registration to Independent

Wow can a sitting president actually do this? How does it really work after that?

>>135375194
>>135375253
Miss clicking? Getting flustered? Fell like Hillary at the 9/11 memorial and going to pass out?!

Seriously, you cucks are SOOOOOO easy to get twisted.

I am literally throwing you softballs and to keep striking out. This is way you leftist cucks have gotten rekted every election since Obamacare passed will only Dem votes!!!

>REpublicans are so stupid they cant repeal a walking-corpse of a healthcare
>Democrats so stupid that they are cheering for the continued existence of the walking corpse bill, which was one of the reasons a shit-ton of them were voted out during Obama

The only person who is smart is surprisingly Trump, let the thing fail on it's own and do nothing to save it, then force the democrats to come to the table and negotiate.

The worst part about this is that even though the Republicans are objective failures, they can and will simply say "IF ONLY WE HAD MORE REPUBLICANS!!" and all the partisan republicans will vote complete GOP neoconservatives in, completely forgetting their failure as the 'at least they are not the other side' ideology takes hold.

>>135375245

>dems losing
>when the gop cant do a single god damn fucking thing even when the dems are neutered and cant fight back

gop was on track to win a lot of seats in 2018 but its going to be a lot closer now. they had their chance and they wasted it, you cant tell me you seriously believe the general public is going to say "yes, lets elect these spastic retards bitched at each other while the entire country waited for them to do what they promised they would and they did nothing"

>>135369493
Way to support bailouts for insurance companies by bailing out Obamacare so insurance companies get profit. Are you fucking stupid. You taking money from taxpayers and give it to insurance companies wtf. McCain wants bailouts for these companies. Moderate Republicans are socialist Globalist scum and trump will campaign against them in 2018.

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>>135367603

Thanks John

>>135375406
Teddy Roosevelt did so with the Bull-Moose party, but failed as he was gang-banged by both sides

>>135375034
Whichever side finally grows a pair and kicks the teeth in of the drug companies, doctors, hospitals, & device makers to push down real costs in health care to make it affordable will have won.
Right now the Government isn't allowed to negotiate/set prices, but could (Likely-Dem Route).
The small-ish fragmented private insurance companies don't have the market power to go up against the local Producer Neworks and Multinationals but could if they were allowed to consolidate and treated like regulated utilities (Likely-GOP Route).
Nobody wants to talk about cutting doctor service fees or swamping the field with more labor supply to drive their wages down, but that's what it's going to take.

>>135375541
>gop was on track to win a lot of seats in 2018 but its going to be a lot closer now
Big claim there from such a proof lacking post.

You the type of nigger that said there is NO WAY Trump has a chance.

>>135375471
>to keep striking out
what?

also
>you leftist cucks
>>135372216
>>135373254
You need to bait better, this shit is ridiculous. I'm not 'arguing' with this bullshit, i'm objecting to you being a fucking lame shitposter.

>>135375541
>gop was on track to win a lot of seats in 2018 but its going to be a lot closer now.

No now it is probably going to be GOP win even harder, simply because now Dems have absolutely nothing to campaign on. If Obamacare was repealed and replaced by Ryancare, the Dems would easily campaign on "THEY ARE KILLING MILLIONS OF AMERICANS" and make people go out and vote.

As we saw with the special elections, all Republicans really need to do to win, is for Trump to tweet about it and remind his voters to vote.

>>135369034
but NO zio-clowns. not one iota for the FAKE state of Is-ra-hell. no speech codes, no S 722 law in the Senate, no Talmudism, at all, Is-ra-hell (((they))) will sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty or face the same sanctions regime that (((they))) are pushing on Russsia, Iran, Syria, candidates will swear an oath to Christian America first and Adamic Christian nations after that and then where Christianity is allowed, but nothing for Talmud Kenite Khazar nations

>>135375866
Still got you hooked nigger.

>>135368188
That's stupid. Republicans haven't even done anything to Obamacare. It was rammed through at last minute by Democrats.

>>135372121
Thinking about this last night. We're reactionaries. We react. Very rarely do we attack. Defend. Yes. That's why Globalism/mass migration so effective. White people can't defend against that unless we go full Reich. 20 years from now identity politics will be ready for full Reich.

>>135370377
They'll win if they push that Hawaiian House Rep for president. Shes brutally honest, and would most likely appeal to the largest base

>>135367603
>disaster
lol you been listening to too much liberal media

>>135374493
Lmfao. How would u take the senate. Anybody above 60 iq realizes these filthy women wannabe Republicans and John fucking traitor McCain fucked conservatives. Moderate Republicans will be butchered in 2018 by white voters unlike niggers who don't vote in midterms.

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>>135375406
Wow can a sitting president actually do this?
Yes, actually. American parties aren't like formal parties in other nations like the EU states for example. Anybody can register, change, or drop out of a party at any time for any reason and cannot be stopped. As far as historical examples go:
>John Tyler, a former Democrat, was elected as Vice President with William H. Harrison on the Whig ticket in 1840. He succeeded to the presidency when Harrison died shortly after his inauguration. As president, he clashed with congressional Whigs, and they expelled him from the party. However, he never formally went back to being a Democrat.

>Abraham Lincoln was elected in 1860 on the Republican ticket, but re-elected in 1864 on the ticket of the National Union Party -- a group comprising Republicans and pro-War Democrats. (His running mate was the Democrat Andrew Johnson).
There are also tons of sitting Congress Critters that switch parties midway through. Current Sen. Richard Shelby (R-AL) actually was elected a Democrat in 1986 and switch to the Republican side during his second term in 1994.

>How does it really work after that?
Well the GOP might try to impeach him like Andrew Johnson to install a reliable party stalwart in VP Mike Pence instead. The rub here, as mentioned, is that Trump enjoys a deathgrip on 1/3 of the base who WILL walk out with him destroying the party for years to come if they attempt it like T.R. & his Bull Moose Party.

>>135372482
Political revolutions tend to be started by people whose politics are far left of center. Especially here. The founding generation was decidedly left wing (for their time). Left wing started the Civil War, too. Right wing reactionaries love their "law and order" too much to revolt. It's why the right wing militia movement isn't even a scary thing: they talk a big game, but "stand down" when the cops show up. Remember Ruby Ridge? Right wing militias showed up to save the Weaver family from the government. Stood right down for those cops, buddy. They do that shit every single time. Leftists will actually fight.

>>135369313
How do I know? Because Obamacare's mere existence has been killing Democrats electorally for the last 7 years.

As long as it's the "law of the land" and premiums keep spiking, it's going to drag on the party that passed it and refused to help replace it.

Democrats should WANT the GOP to pass their own bill so they can take the blame for it. Dems'd be off the hook and have something to campaign against instead of taking the blame for obstructing the GOP for trying to replace a failing health insurance law.

>>135376761
>>135376761
In a sick sort of way, i think Mccain did vote against repeal for this reason. i know he has friends in the Democrats, but many neoconservatives blindly voted on the repeal as well, and Mccain practically screwed them.

Mccain makes absolutely no sense

>>135376669
>Political revolutions tend to be started by people whose politics are far left of center

This is utterly false. Left-wing "revolutionaries" are at best trouble makers(see: BLM, Limo burning, Not my president etc..), and Right-wing revolutionaries are borderline terrorists(see: IRA, Jihadis etc..).

>>135375306
i'm a shill for stating the truth that thanks to people like mccain, doomed the republican party in 2018? i'm an idiot for stating that their failures is going to turn away independents from not only those republicans in the house and senate, but also from ANYONE associated to them? like trump.

i'll give you the benefit of the doubt for not being old enough to remember the bush years. because what i described is EXACTLY happened not only DURING but after the bush years.

BUSH TARNISHED the republican name by the time the 2008 election came. people saw bush, saw he was a republican, and labeled ALL republicans like bush. democrats fed off of that. they used it for their advantage.

fast forward to today. what do we have? we have a small group of idiot republicans making prime time, big news. people like mccain. going out there ridiculing his OWN party more than democrats. getting a lot of press, getting a lot air time. people IGNORE the rest of the republicans, the majoirty of republicans actually being loyal to the party and to trump. but since these SMALL, MINORITY republicans are fucking everything up, they get all the air time in the world. you see it everywhere. "republicans unable to repeal obamacare." "republicans unable to agree on anything." "republicans lied, they don't want to repeal obamacare like they campaigned on for 8 years."

so now what are you creating? pissed off republicans. the same republicans during the 90's who went out there and voted for ross perot TWICE in large numbers who cost the republicans TWO FUCKING ELECTIONS during the 90's. they gave us bill fucking clinton. thank you ross perot supporters because clearly clinton was the WAY better than bush senior and dole. clearly clinton ALIGNED MORE WITH THEIR VIEWS than bush or dole. we never recovered from the damage that clinton caused.

>>135370377
Nice get. I disagree. Trump gets re-elected. The changeover in Congress and the Senate will be from traditional GOP candidates to newer, "outsider" candidates like Kid Rock and Bo Copley (unemployed coal miner running for US Senate as a Republican in WV). Whichever party embraces these outsider types will gain the most in the coming years.

And your next president will be Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson. Go ahead and write that down.

>>135377403
even in 2008 you had pissed off republicans who didn't even go out to vote. even in 2012. fun fact, romney won the independent vote as big as obama did in 2008. but romney still lost. why? REPUBLICANS DIDN'T GO OUT AND FUCKING VOTE.

there isn't enough republicans to win an election if all go out and vote and lose the indenepent vote. republicans not only need a high republican turnout, but also need to win the independent vote. right now independents ARE NOT believing a word from anyone. they will either not vote in 2018 (most won't, most are turning out both democrat and republican) or vote democrat because they're tired of "republican failures."

democrats on the other hand are highly energized. trump has been the best thing to the democrat moral since bush. he has united all democrats together. noted by the HUGE loyalty of bernie supporters to hillary. all of a sudden they stopped caring about bernie getting screwed over by the dnc and voted for hillary. trump only got a handful of bernie supporters. no where near enough to make a dent.

the supporters trump received won't back key republicans in the 2018 election. and the democrats will pick them off because of the in fighting of the republican party.

>>135377162
Note that McCain voted for the bill to come for a vote and then voted against it. He was giving cover to Republicans who will have to go back to their constituents.

They can now prove that they tried to keep their promise to repeal but were thwarted by "obstructionist Democrats" and RINOs.

McCain doesn't care. He's done.

When the health insurance industry is in a true crisis, the GOP will be able to pass any bill they want. Maybe even a better one.

I'm not defending McCain. He's shit. But he may have done some good on purpose for once.

>>135377508
>>135377403
>REPUBLICANS DIDN'T GO OUT AND FUCKING VOTE.

That's how we know your a troll, Republicans are notorious for voting to damn much on shit (probably because they have both workers who come in after work and old people who literally have all day), while Democrats rely heavily on early voting/early morning voting

>>135369313
Because it is still called Obamacare

>>135377508
and what i mean by key republicans are ones like susan collins, mccain, and the other fuckwits in the senate.

these are fuckwits from establishment based states. a trump candidate will have a hard time defeating them in republican primaries. they will go off and face democrats in the general election. and will lose thanks to the trump supporters not voting for them.

and they shouldn't. but these key seats will go to democrats in 2018. and the next thing you know the democrats are +2 or 3 in the senate.

and everything is downhill after that.

>>135377707
that's how i know you don't know jack shit. go look at the numbers. go look at voting history. republicans had an awful voter turnout in 2008 compared to 2004 and 2000. they had a slightly better turnout in 2012 but only increased by 1% over 2008. even democrats where down by 2% in 2012 compared to 2008 but still out numbered republicans enough to win. even though romney won the independent vote by a good amount, it wasn't enough to close the gap between republican vs democrat.

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>>135371408
>mugabe won fifa
>not stolen

One job godammit

>>135377219
>"revolutionaries" are at best trouble makers

Revolutionaries are always troublemakers. Look at Venezuela: left wing in power, all the right wing can do is hurl bottles of shit while the left wing government kills people in the streets. Let's compare examples again: I'll spot you the aloha snackbar and the IRA. You have to give me the following: original US revolution, Civil War, Castro in Cuba, Haitian slave revolt, Idi Amin in Uganda, Russian revolution against the tzar, and the French revolution. Like I said, it's normally the lefties that start revolutions.

>>135377403
>you see it everywhere
source? fake news doesnt count

>>135369313
Here is what will happen
>Obamacare fails
>Republicans claim that no democrats wanted to work with them on a suitable replacement
>show how absolutely no democrat voted yes on either of the republican replacements
>some try to talk about the republicans that voted against repeal, but get drowned out
>Trump tweets "vote Republican LOL"
>Republican sweep
>Journalists body-slammed in the streets

>>135377971
>Haitian slave revolt
lol

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>>135367603
This mother fucker needs to FUCKING DIIIIIIIEEEEE!!!!!

>>135376761
Not sure about that.

That implies support for the Obamacare hasn't changed. Public opinion of it has changed dramatically during the attempt to repeal it.

Plus, many Republicans got into office on repealing Obamacare. If they couldn't repeal it, voters will see no point in keeping them elected.

>>135377875
>2008, and 2012 numbers are legit goyim!


Yeah every single poll in 2016 took 2008 and 2012 into account and got fucking wrecked because of the completely different circumstances between that time and now. You can't expect raw data to 100% determine humanity when their is no pattern

>>135378061
He will kick the bucket before halloween

>>135377899
Checked

>>135378147
you really are an idiot and a sad little man.

even though trump got republicans to come out to vote, and won the independent vote, the 2018 election isn't for trump. its for susan collins and john mccain.

these candidates don't really inspire the same people trump got. either way you look at it your fuck. if a trump candidate defeats collins, the establishment republicans won't vote for them in the general election. if the establishment republican wins, like collins, the trump supporter won't vote for her in the general election.

look at how hard the divide was in the Georgia election. it took a lot of glue to get both trump and establishment republicans to come together. and they barely did to win by 4%. they still had 60,000 less votes than tom price. ossoff had a similar amount that the previous democrat in the 2016 election.

Handel almost lost not because of ossoff, but because of low energized republicans. low republican turnout.

now imagine 2018 will pissed trump supporters who can't stand the establishment anymore, and pissed off establishment not liking trump and his supporters. its a recipe for disaster.

>>135377508
This is wishful thinking.

The Republicans who didn't turn out for Romney were evangelicals. They couldn't bring themselves to vote for the Mormon. They DO support Trump though.

Democrats weren't highly energized against Trump in November. Blacks barely showed up. So too did Millennials. Neither blacks nor young people are reliable when it comes to voting in midterms.

You're fooling yourself if you think Republicans won't also be highly energized in 2018.

Notice how Trump voters keep surging at the polls to stop those insanely highly funded special congressional elections? Any Democrat who thinks 2018 is going to be a walk in the park is living in a dream world.

The Democratic Party has no message, no appeal to working class whites, is responsible for a disastrous health care law, and the DNC is still in complete chaos. I mean, have you seen the DNC's fundraising numbers compared to the RNC's?

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>>135378289
>if a trump candidate defeats collins, the establishment republicans won't vote for them in the general election
source? taxpayers disprove you

>>135378147
There are some general trends in American electoral politics that seem to hold true in the modern era. Here are a few:
1. Most presidents, once elected, are re-elected.
2. After 8 years of one political party in the White House, America picks the other party in the next election to occupy the White House.
3. Congressional majorities often start in favor of a new president, but are whittled away and reversed before the end of his second term.

>>135377971
Revolutions always start from the Middle-Class and their hostility towards shrinking economic opportunities created by corrupt elites. The lower classes simply do not have the social connections be able to create revolutions. The ruling elites have traditionally been conservative until recently, hence the left-wing character of revolutionaries. Now the shoe is on the other foot.

There have been right-wing revolutions, however:

>Iran 1979
>Nazi's
>German Peasants War

I would also argue that the American Revolution and the American Civil War were conservative revolutions in nature, as they were trying to overthrow the established order, but preserve what they had.

>>135378289
>l-l-listen to 2008 and 2012 n-n-numbers! R-Republicans are going to lose this time!

Republicans had a guy get in after having a WWE match with a reporter right before the vote, and had a woman beat one of the most funded campaigns in congress history by Trump tweeting "lol vote" at the last minute

Times are-a changing

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>Obamacare will implode
>things will eventually get done

>>135378533
*not overthrow

>>135378003
Three things:
1. For this to come to pass, the GOP will have to buck history and resist the losses that the Majority Party typically suffer during the Midterm referendums. The last time this occurred was Gingrich's overreach on an extremely popular Bill Clinton in the 90s.

2. This also presupposes the voters who voted for Trump will be as excited to vote for GOPers without Trump at the top of the ticket. It didn't happen for Dems in 2010 between 2008 and 2012 without Black Jesus there.

3. It also supposes there is enough love for the GOP status quo to outweigh the hatred the Dems have for Trump and Republican office holders.
Note: I'm saying this won't happen as the GOP base skews Old, White, & Rich which are better turnouts but I wouldn't put serious money on such a wager.

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McCain just saved his legacy

Ted Kennedy casted his vote for ACA before his death

McCain saves heal care before he dies

>Drumpf unhinged
>administration imploding
>GOP in charge of governing

>>135378540
It's true. Democrats have no understanding of how hated they are in wide swaths of this country. People in many districts might not love Trump or the GOP, but they will NOT vote for a Democrat.

They ought to be panicking about their branding problem. But they don't want to ask why they're so disliked. It's hard.

>>135378494
those are legit patterns which is why i believe that Trump will win re-election unlike degenerate non-geographical flag posters believe. However we have to take into account factors such as the clear split between progressive democrats and neolibreal democrats, as well clear dramatic shifts against the Democrats in general.

1 and 2 are assured, but i'm not totally convinced that 3 will go according to plan

>>135378533
Interesting points. I take issue with characterizing the American revolution as a right wing movement. Here's why: at the time, the idea of self governance (as opposed to monarchy) was an extremely left wing idea. You might have a better argument about the Civil War, but keep in mind that it was the Democratic party that was popular through the South.

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>>135367603

>Pre-2018:
Infrastructure spending, the Wall, foreign policy geared towards further rooting out ISIS, making travel ban formal.

>2018, (midterm election year): Merit/white-based immigration, phase 1 of Trump's tax plan, pursuing an answer to the Nork Question.

>2018, (post-elections):
Phase 2 of Trump's tax plan, a replacement for Obamacare, term limits for Congress, anti-lobbyist laws

>Late 2018-2021:
Begin annual auditing of the Fed, Manned mission to Mars. Greater Anglo-Russo-American Reich

>2022-24
Intervention in the European racewar.

>>135367815
Hell ya, give the rich more money and you faggot can shit post about your increased taxes!

>>135378737
>McCain saves heal care
Search "Obamacare rate hikes 2018" and report back

>>135367603

With any luck, hard tilt on the prosecutions till the Democrats and RINOs are in chains.

>>135378795
Fair enough. But one could argue those old Dixiecrats basically National Socialists.

>>135378398
>The Republicans who didn't turn out for Romney were evangelicals.
no, they were the same supporters who didn't go out to vote for mccain because like mccain, romney was a fucking idiot.

these supporters who didn't go out and vote for both where the ones who voted for trump because trump wasn't an idiot snake oil sales men establishment republican like mccain and romney.
>Democrats weren't highly energized against Trump in November.
they where. see bernie supporters.
>Blacks barely showed up.
blacks dropped down to pre-obama levels. why? because hillary wasn't black.
>So too did Millennials.
millennial vote and it was only down by 5% for democrats (55% instead of 60%). simply because hillary wasn't obama. republican millennial turnout was identical to romney in 2012. both 37%.
>You're fooling yourself if you think Republicans won't also be highly energized in 2018.
i'm sure all those trump supporters are highly enthusiastic to vote for susan collins in 2018 and same for establishment republicans for trump candidates.
>Notice how Trump voters keep surging at the polls to stop those insanely highly funded special congressional elections?
they didn't. georgia special election was down 60,000 votes compared to 2016. democrat turnout was nearly identical to 2016. democrats kept their turnout. republicans lost hugely. i keep bringing this one up because its split in trump vs establishment republicans. it gives a good insight to see how well both sides will play with each other.
>The Democratic Party has no message, no appeal to working class whites, is responsible for a disastrous health care law, and the DNC is still in complete chaos.
and democrat turnout hasn't dropped in any of the special elections. if you look at the numbers, even in states that have a very high trump republican base. trump supporters love trump and love candiates that are trump. they hate establishment. especially more so now thanks to likes of mccain and collins.

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>>135378762
>

rupert murdoch and 24/7 hate talk radio

no real knowledge involved

>>135368340
Ya theres no way the GOP will look bad when this happens under their watch, youre fucking briliant! why arent you in the white house instead of posting here?

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>>135378877
You believe THIS Congress is going to deliver on any of that?

>>135378737
McCain was just dishing back the ice cold dagger of revenge to Trump by first voting "with" Trump to move debate on the legislation, and then flipping on Trump to deny him victory at the last moment without warning.

the old closeted queen mcconnell eating shit in front of his colleagues all of whom hate hi guts was priceless

>>135379094
>Obamacare fails
>Democrats try to say "IT HAPPENED UNDER YOUR WATCH"
>remember it's named 'Obamacare'

>>135379094

>Ya theres no way the GOP will look bad when this happens under their watch

They won't tbqh. Obstructionist Republicans during the Obama administration, especially during the debt ceiling, saw the GOP's lowest approval rating in history, to the point where it was viewed by many to be a ded party.

>>135368340
Please remove spacing, kthnx

>>135378486
this isn't a general election. this is a congressional election. districts are going to matter.

example is yet again the georgia special election district. where Handel had 60,000 less votes than price in 2016, and yet ossoff had nearly the same as the democrat in 2016 who ran against price. but because of the LOWER republican turnout, she only won by 4%. trump supporters went out and voted, establishment republicans stayed home and didn't vote. almost costing the election to ossoff.

take other districts like that. there will be losses in 2018. house will have a tight district fight, and senate runs like collins are going to be very interesting. republicans.will.lose.seats.period.

you can live in your dream world and let your guard down and act like everything will be peachy and rainbows. no need to worry. republicans have it in the bag! you're simply being ignorant and setting yourself up for failure. this will be hard. this will be a massive battle. if you sit there thinking everything gonna be great! you're gonna get bitched slapped. you need to go out there and fight tooth and nail like you did during the 2016 election for trump. if you don't and let your arrogance control you, you will be in a world of hurt during 2018.

>>135379094
>happens under their watch
Obamacare is a Dem only law that is continue to fail after multiple bailout attempts. Any second I expect you to tell us that Obamacare was really a Republican law. Dems already tried to get out from under Obamacare by labeling it Romneycare... didn't work.

>>135379306
democrats never look bad as being obstructionist. they played obstructionist during the bush years and took over the house, then the senate.

republicans look bad because you have fuckwits like mccain and collins who voted against it before voting for it. democrats won't look like the obstructionist when republicans are doing it themselves. thanks to mccain and collins.

>>135378772
Both parties are struggling with internal problems. The Dems have a split between progressives and pro-business factions. The GOP has, what I see, as four splinters: neoconservatives, the evangelical right, libertarians, and the new Trump faction. Here's why I think the splits are important: voters are going to trend away from traditional politicians (accomplished lawyers, political family dynasties, etc.) and trend towards "outsider" candidates with some degree of personal celebrity. Kid Rock is within 2 points of winning in a poll regarding the US Senate race in Michigan. There's a "Draft Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson to Run for President" political action committee. Both of these guys could win races. We're going full Idiocracy here.

>>135379383
>Ossof spends more than any congressmen ever
>only makes the same amount of votes as someone who spent less than 5 million

funny how you let that little tid-bit out?

>>135379166

Infrastructure spending is something everyone can agree on, it's not a controversial issue and makes everyone that votes for it look good. The wall's funding is already allocated and construction is slated to begin within a couple months. Nobody will opppse anti-ISIS shit either and the SCOTUS already ruled the travel ban constitutional, it just needs to be permanently formalized. None of these take large amounts of political capital.

I believe that Trump is going to make it very clear to Republicans during the 2018 primaries that there are those in the party that will obstruct him at every turn and urge them to vote them out of office if they persist. They'll be much more pliant then, and when those who follow Trump see their approval ratings skyrocket, the rest will follow. It's not that hard.

>>135379541
I agree with this.

>>135379497

Under different circumstances, I'd agree with you, especially with the (((MsM))) constantly running interference for Dems, and establishment cucks in general, but the backlash against McCain is already severe, staunched only by muh veteran status. Trump has put the establishment vs. American dynamic into focus. The vote on healthcare illustrated clearly that he was right. It won't be forgotten.

>>135378921
That's the argument I thought you might make. Here's the flaw I see in that argument: the South was not a "national" presence; it was a collection of fiercely independent states; a "confederation", if you will. National Socialism requires a nationwide cohesiveness that the Confederacy lacked. They may have well won the war if they had been National Socialists.

>>135378960
You're focusing too much on Republicans refusing to turn out for a couple of RINO's in 2018. Look at the map of how many Democrats are up for re-election in 2018 in states Trump won. The GOP Senate majority is safe.
In GA06, the Democrats lost about 1/4 of their turnout compared to a 2/3 drop by the GOP. What's noteworthy is that they piled on a ginormous war chest in GOTV, tried to nationalize the election as a referendum on Trump...and still lost.
Point is that the Democrats are aiming to nationalize 2018 like the GOP did in 1994 and Democrats did in 2006. I'm telling you that the ingredients aren't there for that recipe.
You have too many Democrats in the Senate who are vulnerable and the GOP in the House is still enjoying the benefits of the 2010 redistricting.
Add to this that the Democrats got bogged down screeching about transgendered soldiers during the week they were supposed to be recalibrating their message to bring back white working class voters and you shouldn't be so confident.

>>135379541
I agree with the part about the splits, but for the most part all parts except for neoconservatives are with Trump at least in spirit. As for KR and The Rock, KR has a chance simply because he likes to talk about the middle class and his opponent is a stick in the mud, The Rock is far too much of a joke and has far too fluid political beliefs, remember he WAS a republican

>>135378989
The Dems shot themselves in the foot by becoming the anti-gun party. You're not winning county dog catcher in rural America with that bullshit. Hate doesn't come from nowhere. You can't instill it in people unless the party you want them to hate has slighted them in some way. Pushing tranny equality and demonizing Christianity hasn't helped any, either.

>>135379541

>We're going full Idiocracy here.

I don't think it's Idiocracy-tier at all. If anything, what we're seeing is the most rational political response from the public possible. It may not be well thought out, but it doesn't exist in a vacuum of 'dude they're popular lmao'.

We went from Dubya to Obama and saw first-hand that virtually nothing changed policy-wise. The only difference was rhetoric. Kid Rock has lots of support because he fully backs Trump's agenda, not because he's Kid Rock.

America is feeling like that Ben Garrison cartoon, and rightfully so.

>>135380100
Honestly the election of Trump put my faith back into our elections, whether it turns out to be right or wrong, it is clear that the American people chose someone they wanted, and not what was "qualified"

>>135378989
Oh, please. You have CNN, MSNBC, NYT, WaPo, and the bulk of the remaining media constantly agitating against Republicans remorselessly.
You're not being drowned out by opposition media. Your message just isn't selling. As long as the Democrats continue to refuse to face their problems, they keep losing.

>>135379306
It was certainly dying until Trump hit the scene. Congress as a whole is usually pretty unpopular. They are the place where ideological positions go to die a horrid death. In order to pass anything, you have to "middle" the Hell out of it and nobody likes lukewarm coffee.What to look for is the approval rating of individual Congressional representatives, then compile those percentages and average them. People are actually pretty pleased with THEIR representatives in Congress, they just don't like the middled actions of the body as a whole.

>>135367603
>Obamacare collapse
>GOP and dems completely destroyed.

>>135379615
We still have a debt ceiling and budget showdown to get through in the fall though.

>Infrastructure spending is something everyone can agree on, it's not a controversial issue and makes everyone that votes for it look good.
I might agree with you, except for the existence of the Deficit Hawks in the House Freedom Caucus and Senators like Lee, Paul, or Cruz. If they demand cuts in other areas to pay for this you will see a stalemate again. Again this goes back to the fundamental divide between small-government conservatives vs. Trump's Big Government Get'er Done mindset.

>>135367669
It's the Trump Administration, let's take a wild guess.

>>135380428
Go back to banning knifes little Britain

>>135380262

It restored my faith but also makes me anxious. America got it right this time, ee elected a celebrity who also happened to be a patriot and a ruthless executive, but Trump being elected has undoubtedly started a trend.

Most recent presidents have been puppets, and there's nothing stopping the kikes in the entertainment industry and NGOs from taking notes and building up a puppet from Hollywood instead of from Yale.

We have to be damn vigilant.

>>135379896
The Rock isn't a Democrat (yet) and the public can always be convinced to vote for someone they like on a personal level no matter their party affiliation. I don't think he's going to try to make The Donald hit Rock Bottom in 2020, but some jabroni will be staying in the Smack Down Hotel instead of the White House come November 2024 courtesy of Dwayne Johnson and the millions . . . AND millions of fans he has across the country.

>>135371131
It's incredibly easy to convince more devout christians that their opinion is god's will. Hell, they convince themselves.

>>135380505
They make me spread butter with a spoon.

>>135379497
Democrats didn't win big in 2006 by being obstructionist. They capitalized on the Bush Administration's failures in Iraq and Hurricane Katrina.
They won by running conservative candidates in red states. Almost all of them are gone. Wiped out after 2010 when voters realized they were just doing the bidding of Pelosi.
The Democrats can't repeat that. They don't have anything resembling a conservative "blue dog" wing anymore. They've ceded virtually the entire interior of the country outside of a small number of urban areas.

>>135380100
It's a rejection of the established political order; that's for sure. Did you see the movie? Pro wrestler as President? Political rhetoric that sounded like two stupid people arguing over football teams? Trump IS in the WWE Hall of Fame and The Rock will be running soon. Our national political rhetoric is devolving from sober policy discussions into mudslinging and name-calling more befitting closing time at the bar than the halls of the Capitol. My comparison wasn't to say that rejecting the tired, old political order was a bad thing; I was more focused on the power of direct celebrity in electoral politics and the candidates (instead of a peripheral level of involvement like endorsements or policy advocacy).

>>135380371

>If they demand cuts in other areas to pay for this you will see a stalemate again.

That won't happen though, because Trump already has that angle covered with his 'for every new government spending initiative, two will be repealed.'

Fuck's sake, Trump and the GOP (sans McCain and the other two cucks) threw their entire weight behind what was essentially Randcare.

Trump is winning over libertarians, even God-Emperor Ron Paul has warmed up to Trump and warned him in advance on healthcare that the 'Neocons are coming for you.'

The religious Right seems pleased as well, Trump hasn't done jack shit to actually outlaw abortion or gay marriage (he doesn't give a shit about either,) but his rhetoric has been very effective at channeling their Christian rage into Constitutionalism, rather than social wedge issues. Ted Cruz is proof of that.

>>135370225
Hmm thats going to be a van link.

This thread is going to live longer that John "This is your brain on drugs" McCain.

>>135380831
They can't compete in some areas when they are the anti-gun party, the pro-tranny normalcy party, the "hate Jesus, but love Allah" party, AND the "black people don't have to follow the law because of your cisgenderedwhitemalepatriarchyracismprivilege, you bigot" party.

>>135380995

>Our national political rhetoric is devolving from sober policy discussions into mudslinging and name-calling more befitting closing time at the bar than the halls of the Capitol.

Anon, there was once a time where Congressmen coming a hairs-breadth from dueling and beating each-other with their canes was unironically fairly common. Yellow Journalism (Lugenpresse) has been around since the formation of the Republic.

Do you think people cared about based Daniel Webster's speeches? No, they didn't. The wording of our political rhetoric has surely degraded into retard-tier, but the meaning and objectives behind it haven't changed at all. It's all about how best to convice Americans that your opponent is a Godless sack of shit who's probably a faggot while framing yourself as the second-coming of Washington.

>>135369313
Americans are sadly far too stupid to think this way

>>135381227
Yessir. You have it right. But they won't--can't--see it. They won't even be able to convincingly lie about it even if they eventually do grasp it.

>>135369313
>Obamacare fails
Got that right.

>>135381401
I'm well aware of our political history and the ebb and flow of our national political rhetoric over time. It seemed to me like we had come to a time where political discussion had become somewhat civilized, but the Trump Train ran that the fuck over.

>It's all about how best to convince Americans that your opponent is a Godless sack of shit who's probably a faggot while framing yourself as the second-coming of Washington.

That's the most accurate thing I've heard in years. I'm stealing it.

>>135381456

Americans aren't nearly as dumb as is popularly believed. They're no dumber than the electorate of any other democracy.

There's a difference between being given a math problem and being too retarded to figure it out and being offered the choice of shooting yourself in the left or the right foot.

>>135378885
>give the rich more money
It's already their money you dense faggot. Why should the government take it away in the first place?

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>>135367603
>where does the GOP go after this disaster?

trump getting elected was a disaster for the GOP, because the GOP is still mostly nevertrump neocon-leftist old farts who are so far up their own asses trying to stay relevant they can't figure out where the battle lines are anymore

the sooner the GOP old blood is cleaned out the better

>>135367603
What's so terrible about Obamacare? Majority supports it. Seems to be working.

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>>135367603
>mfw people STILL argue about muh dems, muh reps not realizing IT'S ALL THE SAME FUCKING SHIT and they all vote the same when actually important

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>>135379094
Trust me, I believe people are stupid and lazy, willing to blame the current govt for past govt failures but since its called OBAMAcare you will never be able to get away from that lmao

>>135381528
They took shit too far out into Weirdoville and now they're stuck. "Gays shouldn't be publicly beaten." Okay; I don't want my kid seeing some sorry fruit getting curbstomped on the way to school; that's fine. "Tranny urinals for feminine penises in elementary schools NOW, SHITLORD!!!" No thanks, fag. Stay away from my kid. The anti-gun shit FUCKING BURIED them with people who actually own things and value those things and their lives.

>>135370290
>Obamacare dies
What does this even mean? Premiums go up? All the bills proposed were gonna exacerbate that problem. People can't get health insurance? Ditto.

The real problem is that the GOP was willing to take a hundred symbolic votes, but were scared shitless of anything they did actually becoming law, because they knew it would inevitably make things worse by any of the metrics they used to trash Obamacare.

Dems just point out that limp dick elephants don't have any better ideas, and Rs find some other bullshit to feed their emotional, tribal, religulous cult.

The bill McCain killed wasn't even a real repeal bill. It did almost fucking nothing. He gave you tards a fresh slate and you can't get over the optics of it.

/pol/ is as fucking retarded as ever.

>>135382118
I've heard this said before:

>Dems are the party of bad ideas; the GOP is the party of no ideas.

Also:

>If you take the parties out to their crazy wingtips, the Democrats are Communists and the Republicans are Anarchists.

>>135382078
That goes back to a point I made above. They just came out this week with their "Hey, we have better policies on jobs and stuff, white normal Americans! Give us a chance!"
Trump tweets that he's not going to let trannies play soldier and they promptly go all in on how George Washington fought for the right for men to have vaginas.
They honestly cannot help themselves.

>>135381806

Never mistake the veneer of civilized discourse with ackshual civilized discourse. Sure, Hitler comparisons per capita have been off the charts, and Trump brought his own shitposting rhetoric, but think back.

>2004
>JOHN KERRY PISSED HIMSELF WHEN UNDER FIRE HAHA, THESE OBVIOUSLY PAID VETERANS WHO MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE BEEN THERE SAID SO

>2012
>MITT ROMNEY ISN'T A BUM AND HAS WHITE CHILDREN, CLEARLY HE'S A THREAT TO OUR WAY OF LIFE

Also, wuv yew :3

>>135382310
I come from a time when Democrat meant that you were pro-union. (I live in a place where you're pro-gun or you fucking move somewhere else, party be damned.) It was a working man's party that argued for reasonable equality: girls are allowed to work; you have to pay black people to work; stop calling them niggers, it's just mean. Today, Dems argue for the craziest of crazies to be considered the EXACT SAME as an old church lady. They have stretched the rubber band to the point of snapping.

Bottom line is Obamacare is failing financially and on a short path to failure.
Let the blame fall squarely on McCains shoulders.
Hell even the Democrats have a great opportunity here to throw the R party under the bus and make them look like a complete fools. Mc Cain voted for it so the failure is on both Dems and Republicans.
Gawd Mc Cain is such a fucking idiot tool.
It's all Mc Cains fault.

>>135370638
Wasn't there an EO for that?

>>135382349
Point taken. Still, your examples from '04 and '12 kinda illustrate my point: in this past election, if you were to believe all that was said by the opposition, the race was between a godless rapist who defrauded anyone he ever talked to out of money and only wanted to win to put the entire Federal budget in his bank account so he could go on raping until he died from too many rape orgasms and a rapist enabling, lesbian pedophile that ate kids while she worshiped the Devil who only wanted to be president so she could be president. Shit didn't get that serious in '04 or '12.

>>135382118

The point was getting it to a conference committee with the House, working out the final details, and getting some to the president that would be worth signing and help people.

healthcare is going to collapse. the boomers are all hitting the age bracket where they'll need frequent medical care and prescriptions to costly medicines. Big Pharma knows they're about to make mountains and mountains of shekels off Boomer healthcare and that's why they keep all these congress and senatefags well-bribed. the joke is on them though the young don't have enough money to keep the scam running, it's just going to be a lot of old people dying, hospitals going broke and no more new drugs being researched since americans are the one getting assfucked by big pharma's R&D costs.

>>135382590
No, they didn't. Democrats aren't like Tumblr any more than Republicans are like /pol/. It's a bunch of autists throwing their shit at each other, and multi-billion dollar political machines designed to make you think -that- is the other side, so vote for us, buddy.

You're an average person who has been subjected to immensely powerful forces of propaganda, and and now you think stupid shit that *just so happens* to make you consistently vote for the party whose only consistent aim is to make the rich richer.

The Red Pill is still part of the matrix. Stop the data stream and go play outside.

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>>135382930

>Shit didn't get that serious in '04 or '12.

Because the stakes for (((them))) weren't that high in '04 or '12. :^)

You know of what I speak.

>>135382986
I've been involved in local and state politics my entire adult life. I have personally watched (and tried to stop) the Dems descent into Weirdoville to no avail.

>Dems aren't like Tumblr any more than Republicans are like /pol/.

Except that's where you're wrong, kiddo. They are.

>>135383124
Sure; it was like picking between globalism or globalism in '04 and '12.

I do know of what you speak; I've been on /pol/ too long.

>>135382637
"Failing financially"
See earlier post. What metric (High premiums? Deductibles? Uninsured rate?) are you using that would be improved by any of the bills that have been in congress during this shitshow?
>>135382937
This process has only ever produced shit. Why continue the process, thinking it will produce a non-shit solution?
"Worth signing." "Help people." This are the vague standards of success that caused this humiliating failure in the first place. There are no details. That's the whole problem. Starting from scratch by articulating specific parameters for success is THE ONLY WAY non-trash policy gets made.

>>135382986

He isn't wrong though. Before the Dems found their current footing of muh non-whites after the Southern Democrat coup with LBJ, the Democrats very much were the party of white, blue-collar unions, which is why the >le Republicans are rich whites narrative found so much traction, especially when augmented with the incompetence of Republicans at the national level to embrace the efforts of their local Congressmen like Sessions for civil rights from a PR angle.

There was no reason for Blacks to be anything other than a Republican bloc, but they squandered it. Whether that was due to incompetence or outside (((influence))) to maintain the balance of power is unknown.

>>135383416

[spoiler]Jews and AIPAC exerting influence on both parties to our detriment[/spoiler]

inb4
>/pol/
>spoilers

https://youtu.be/yDs8li2_AO8

>>135383236
>Anecdote by someone on the internet
Oh. I guess all my experience with normal people generally being pretty normal is wrong then. Old people are always very objective when remembering the past, and clearly being firehosed by /pol/ for years has had no effect on you.

>>135383778
Well, you deny that the Democratic Party has shifted, but do you realize that the Democratic class of 2006 included a large number of pro-life, "marriage is one man one woman" candidates in red state areas?

These days, Democrats are debating among themselves whether you can even be IN their party if you're pro-life. I mean, that's coming from the DNC chairman, not some random anon.

Clinton lost because old reliable Democrats in Michigan and Pennsylvania didn't believe that the party represented their interests or shared their values anymore. That's a fact. It's also a serious problem.

Denying that it exists isn't going to work. The dude isn't giving you a bullshit anecdote. He's telling you why he, as a former Democrat, doesn't vote for Democrats anymore. Millions of other people did the same in 2016 and will do it again.

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>>135367603

>>135378888
Search the republican bills

20% increases every year through 2026

>>135368188
>>135374226
>impying that the majority of americans won't watch, drooling, as CNN tells them that OBAMACARE is actually Trumps fault

>>135383778
You said earlier that I was an average person who had been subjected to immensely powerful forces of propaganda. I'm not average. I live around a lot of average people. I see them being subjected to the propaganda and swallowing it whole. Repeatedly. I try to tell them: "Don't eat that. It's bad for you." They eat it anyway. Later, they regurgitate it on command like some kind of Manchurian candidate because Don Lemon said it on CNN or Rush said it on the radio or whatever. They do not think independently. I do. The Dems did become Tumblr; the GOP did become /pol/ and the people who are knee deep in that the worst are the ones shouting the loudest "IT ISN'T TRUE, IT ISN'T TRUE!" Guess where that puts you?

>>135383472
Conservatives are not libertarians, though as time passes and the federal government inflates they can be reliably expected to overlap. They are traditionalists. They seek to elevate and prevent the change of "culture." When "culture" is broad enough to include race or religion, traditionalists will oppose the growth of minority races and religions, perceiving that their "culture" is under attack. Republicans have exploited this. Scapegoating furr-nerrs (China and Mexico) for labor's ills was a very effective manipulation strategy. It probably won't last forever.

>>135384132
I'm still a Democrat. I just will not vote for the craziness. There are still some sensible people in the party; just not that many anymore.

>>135384579
I appreciate the clarification. I didn't mean to make too broad an assumption.
I'm just saying that I have a hard time imagining the 2017 Democratic Party backing a pro-life, former police officer like Bart Stupak as it did in 2006 nor can I imagine one even running with the party's embrace of BLM madness.
Any Democrat who denies that they have zero appeal in whole regions of the country that they need to win to hold the majority in Congress is the reason your party is hurting.

>>135384132
I didn't say it hadn't shifted, I said Tumblr isn't an accurate representation, it's just a useful one for the Right.
Clinton lost because the Right had spent a decade trashing her reputation because they knew she would eventually be on the ballot again. Everyone thought she sucked, which wasn't the case in 2005.

"The party doesn't share their values." Evangelical Christians voted for a twice divorced New York billionaire who boasted about grabbing women by the pussy. People don't vote based on values, they vote like how the controlled stream of information they experience tells them to vote. The Right exploited the emotions of the electorate more effectively. Pretending like you're immune to advertising, that you could never be pulled into a cult, makes you all the more vulnerable to it.

And hey, here you are!

>>135385003
Whoah, I'm not saying the GOP hasn't shifted. A guy with Reagan's record on abortion, guns, etc when he was governor of CA would be DOA in a GOP primary.
With evangelicals, it's complicated. They don't gravitate to the most moral candidate. They like strongmen and they like hearing their politicians voice what they believe. Trump does that exceptionally well, whether or not he really believes it.
However, I only have to listen to Democrats laud Black Lives Matter, protect illegal immigrants, vow to socialize medical care, and so on to know that they're not the party I want in charge.
I make my decisions by listening to YOUR CANDIDATES and what they believe in. They don't want me. I'm white, male, middle class, have no need for entitlements, don't think 3rd trimester abortions should be legal, believe that I have an individual right to own firearms, want immigration law enforced, want American jobs to be protected, and so on. The Democratic Party doesn't want me. It has nothing to offer. I know this because, again, they tell me so.
I'm not in *your* cult because I'm not welcome.

>>135385003
No; that's not why she lost. I'll tell you why she lost, then I'll watch it fly right over your head. Her entire campaign was based on an identity politics platform: "We need a female president." There was no unifying message, no concrete plan, other than "she's experienced" (which she really isn't and the little experience she had was pretty lackluster if not downright terrible). It was like watching Ted Kennedy run for president again: no real message other than "I want the job". That's not enough. She didn't campaign late in the cycle in key states because she bought her own hype provided by a media rabidly opposing Trump. She didn't even make the world's easiest political move and make Bernie her veep, for Christ's sake. She all but called white people racists while pandering for black votes with a bottle of hot sauce. Her stupid fucking "listening tour" was about the biggest political abortion I've ever witnessed. She ALWAYS does COMPLETELY CANNED, PRE-SCREENED EVENTS! There's ZERO organic political energy in that and that's why she'll never win a presidential election. Oh, PS- She'll be running again in 2020, so please enjoy watching her crash and burn for the third time.

>>135384487
"I'm not average." Well, good for you, anon. Nonetheless, if you have a human brain, you're not immune to these manipulation techniques, or other weaknesses in your mind. Newton died an alchemist. Smart people who think differently can still be way fuckin off.

"Guess where that puts you?"
I am about 15 lines of text to you. Please explain to me who I am.

You're on /pol/, which means you get a great deal of exposure to the Internet's caricature of the left. Every time you go on /pol/, the caricature slice of the pie chart of your experience of the Left (and the Right) grows and grows. When you think of Democrats (or Republicans), a greater proportion of those images are of the caricature. Perception and reality become split. It's a very, very safe bet that your perception of Democrats is more extreme and more egregious than actual averages would suggest. Do you consistently, IRL, with people you know, hear conservatives saying Hitler did nothing wrong? Do you consistently, IRL, with people you know, hear liberals say that all sex is rape?

Fuck no. The extremes won't shut the fuck up, but that doesn't mean they're average.

>>135385003
>someone wasn't around in the 90s

she trashed her reputation herself

>People don't vote based on values

you make it seem like people aren't able to prioritise values and vote accordingly (however begrudgingly)

>>135386067
I've heard more third wave feminism garbage in real life than I ever have on this website and that's really saying something. I have a political science degree and a law degree. I got both within the past 10 years. The reason that I see the "caricature" of the left as a portrait has been my continuous exposure to the left in real life. Are the things said about the left on /pol/ 100% accurate? No. 80%? Highly likely. 70%? SAFE BET. I deal with Dems all the time. ALL. THE. TIME. I've had political jobs. The thought leaders and opinion shapers for the party have absolutely LOST THEIR WAY from sanity and reasonable political positions. We're currently in Month 8 of the National Liberal Hissy Fit and it's gonna go into Month 9 FOR SURE.

>>135385781
"I'll watch it fly right over your head"
(Triggered?)

"No concrete plan"
Literally hundreds of pages of concrete plans. The dude who won had "no concrete plan" for accomplishing the "great, cheap, healthcare fore everyone", or "defeating ISIS", or any of the other shit he claimed he would do.

"She all but called white people racists"
Please read /pol/ and say that she was wrong to describe a white-supremacist cult following of her opponent. You perceive accusations of racism because billionaires want you to, because it makes you more likely to vote for them.

Yeah, Trump's pandering, saying exactly what the crowd wanted to hear, was very effective. Obviously. The problem is, the bullshitting of that campaign, while successful at winning the election has produced a completely dysfunctional presidency and government at a time when, on paper, running this shit should be a cakewalk.

>She'll be running again
Every Democrat I know is done with her, and they should be. It's time to move on to something better. Let's see how Trump does without his security blanket, the one he's still bringing up.

>>135367603
mccain is right on this. they had no plan for replacement. they would lose votes for the next senate election.

>>135386627
>I've heard more third wave feminism in real life than I ever have on this website.
>I've been on /pol/ too long

Anon, I officially call bullshit.

>>135386863
Rand Paul has a plan for replacement.

>>135386627
>What I hear from /pol/ is pretty much right, most (80%) of the time.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>135386712
And there it went; right over your head.

She had no concrete plan WITH APPEAL. His plan was vague, but people LIKED IT. Sorta need that in an election, ya know?

Plenty of people on /pol/ are racists. Fine. Calling half the country "deplorable" is BAD CAMPAIGN STRATEGY. Ask Romney about negative comments directed at 47% of Americans.

Running any nation is never a "cakewalk."

I say she's running again because she's laying the groundwork to run again: started a new PAC, public speeches (in her canned, pre-selected way), media coverage. It's coming. You can COUNT on it. She's completely out-of-touch and her ambition for the office knows no bounds.

Legalize weed and overturn the NFA

>>135386953
You do ten years in higher education and left wing political jobs and then tell me it's bullshit.

>>135386191
>she trashed her reputation herself
>Republicans literally admitted on camera only producing Benghazi investigations to discredit her
Oh, anon, don't be naive.

>Claims to care about family values
>Votes for Trump
>Repeat (x7,000,000)
^My evidence. You make it seem like people aren't hypocrites without knowing it.

>>135387380
>sits in places with unusual political makeup
>thinks he understands average political positions

If you spent a lot of time in country clubs, would you think you understood America?

>>135387095
/pol/ is always right. Haven't you heard?

>>135387482
When it comes to understanding political leadership, specifically Dem political leadership, hanging out with, learning with, and working with Dem leaders might be a way to gain understanding on how Dem leaders think. I'm saying that they're out of touch because I also understand average political positions.

>>135387380
I am genuinely curious: how much do you get paid over at ShareBlue? Do you guys know you're fighting a losing battle because you refuse to learn the lesson of November 2016?

>>135387274
There have actually been black politicians who literally said "I am ____ so I should be president." Obama pointedly never did that, and Clinton didn't either. They let everyone think it, of course. But when asked why they should be president, they always, always, had typical ideas/experience answers.

She said "half his supporters." Which only referred to about 7% of the country at the time. (totally real number, do not doubt)

But it quickly became "Clinton hates conservatives. Because....that's an effective way of preventing people from voting for her.
What's funny is that it was a rare moment of honesty, the kind that literally elevated Trump to the presidency and you're currently complaining she never had.

>never a cakewalk
Relative cakewalk, of course. Unified government, no major military commitments (compared to Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Korea), no economic disaster. If I wanted to gain the presidency in any year in the past few decades, 2016 would be my first choice.

I don't give a shit if she runs again, all her capital is spent, the people don't want her, she'll be a Fioriana who loses early. Fuck 'er. She's not the party.

>>135388032
Ah, nice. Now I know that, when people accuse people of being ShareBlue, it's actually a baseless claim that can be ignored. Always wondered about that.

>>135387910
You're using your exposure to Dem leaders and people in traditionally overwhelmingly Dem arenas to justify your accurate analysis of average Dems (which I interpreted to mean voters), who fit in neither of those categories. I consider my criticism of this legitimate.

>>135388032
Also, your mischaracterization of me during an argument where my only point is that you mischaracterize people is... well, satisfying.

>>135388214
>Clinton never did that.

Except she did. Repeatedly. But, hey, keep ignoring it. Good luck turning around that Congressional majority in '18; you're gonna need it.

>no major military commitments

Have you ever heard of ISIS?

>Hillary losing the Dem '20 presidential primary

Tom Perez is the DNC Chair. She'll win again and it won't matter if she's running against Jesus; the party bosses will once again back the Clinton Delusion Machine. The people in the party didn't want her this time; they wanted Bernie.

>>135388275
People keep accusing you of that because you sound just like the ShareBlue shills. Summer as FUCK in here.

>>135389467
"Except she did."
Find me a video where she says, out loud, "you should vote for me because I'm female." I'll say I was wrong.

"Ever heard of ISIS?"
No, who are they? Are you saying that the existence of ISIS and the funding of local militias/occasional bombing of that region is a "major" military commitment on the order of Vietnam or Afghanistan?

"She'll win again."
If you say so, anon. Don't bother with a citation of your crystal ball, I believe you.

>>135389551
Literally my first time. You really don't know what the fuck you're talking about, do you?