Should Google & Facebook be regulated like utilities?

>>135364754
Yes

>>135364754
No they should be boycotted

>>135364754
Google especially. They have so much potential for evil. Then again, the gov't getting involved would probably fuck things up even more.

Watch as lolbertarians go against this, as the (((people))) controlling both corporations fill the white children around them with endless, vile propaganda

>>135364978
How do you boycott something like electricity, trash collection, sewage, or water?

>>135365061
depends who is in charge. You want a Fuhrer? this is how shit gets done. King Trump is in charge now.

>>135365260

produce/collect/procure your own

They have way, way too much power. And can you imagine how bad it would have been if Hillary had won? She was their candidate and she would have rewarded them.

I'd rather see them broken up though. It might not even need a large government intervention. There have been technical efforts to try to decentralize the things that they do. Protocols have been designed, tools and backends developed, etc. But more efforts are still needed and you'd have to get people to actually use the stuff once it's good enough.

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>>135364754
Yes

We populist party now

>>135364754
yes, social media companies have too much of a monopoly and people are too quick to shrug away what they're doing because their product is linked to their social life

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>>135364754
Yes

Bannon never ceases to amaze me. God bless that man.

>>135364754
No that is some commie shit

Yepper

>>135364754
>Should Google & Facebook be regulated like utilities?

OH HELL YES. Immediately. Start TODAY.

>>135365930
>Nazi flag
okay with fake news companies attacking the right?

>>135364754
i don't know

>>135364754
BANNON = GOD

Yes.

>>135364754
Definitely not.

>>135364754
Just do something man jewgle and zucc are ruining everything

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>>135364754
Yes, they have far too much information on all of us, Amazon needs a good kick in the ass, too.
Bunch of tax dodging scum.
Bannon is the only reason I support Trump and I hope to fucking god that he has enough pull to dictate policy.

>>135364754

Nationalize the ISPs.

>>135365930
>That flag
I suppose Hitler just let the Jew run media in Germany go do as it pleased, huh? Kill yourself man, you don't know anything

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>>135364754
the regulations they should put upon those is that they shouldnt regulate their content and censor other oppinions. basicaly regulate them into regulating less. everything else would just result in that the government descides what is to censor instead of facebook

Every time I hear about Bannon I like him more

Daily reminder to all the STEM grads in this bread.
These are the companies who are giving your job away via the H1B1 program because that means they don't have to pay for your social security tax.

>>135364754
YEAH

>>135366593
This. ISPs should be nationalized.

>>135364754
Bannon has the right idea about everything.

>>135367589
It's the only way, lolbertarians are kidding themselves

>>135364754
I agree. They could start their own physical empires if they'd like to with all of that income,

>>135365806
Maybe normies can stop staring at their phones and actually learn how to interact with people.

>>135365680
Most places won't let you live in homes that don't have these services. Providing your own means you live in the middle of nowhere.

>>135364754
What would Bannon even politically classify as? A Nationalist Centrist Populist? Whatever it is I really like it.

>>135364754
Yes. Twitter too.

>>135364754
They're evil and someone needs to put a stop it. I don't know what the ethics of that are though vis a vis free enterprise and small government.

Fuck. this question is making me question my libertarian views

Hopefully this leads to media (free press) being lumped into this "utility" category as well.

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>>135364754
Sure, if they regulate their darling companies equally :^)

>>135365677
This.

>>135368236

Right wing populist.

>>135368403
It's definitely a tough one. I don't think it's an ideal solution, but then again the fate of civilization just might depend on stopping monsters from Google and Facebook from controlling ideas and in turn reality.
Of course it can then also backfire once the wrong administration gets back in power.

>>135364754
tax advertising too

>>135364754
>REEEEEE GET YOUR GUBMINT OUTTA MI HEALTHCARE!!!
>YESSSS! DEEP STATE PLEEEEASE TAKE OVER ALL MY SOCIAL MEDIA ACCOUNTS!

>>135364754
Oh yes. Most certainly.

>>135364754
>three anonymous sources
c'mon /pol/. we can't believe this kind of shit just because we like the story.

bannon have some great ideas.
since this was on breitbart i'm sure it's something he really is thinking on.


PLEASE ALSO A ENDOWMENT TAX! that harvard and ford foundation, etc have too much power. cut off the non-profit organizations scam

>>135364754
Perhaps they should be forced to allow equal time to opposing views.

You know, the way it used to be with television.

A new net neutrality if you will, like there should be with isp's.

It's funny how they suddenly want to regulate shit when they don't like it.

Banks crash the economy, fuck the regulations, they get in the way of profit.

Zuckerberg may run for president, regulate that shit.

Pathetic.

>>135368737
>govt fucks up everything
>still doesn't see the benefit of them taking over Faceberg
Oh lad

>>135364754
I don't use either so yes.

We don't need regulation or control of a company, we need better laws protecting the privacy and security of a person's information and software usage.

>>135364754
Yes.

>>135364754
Google needs to be stopped now.
I don't think people realize how dangerous they're becoming.

>>135369114
this statement contradicts itself

>>135368737
At least we have a say over who's in government. We can't control who runs facebook and google and they want to dominate the human race.

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>>135364754
Legit question.
What would it mean/do to regulate Google/Kikebook like utilities?

>>135364754

Yes

They should be bound to the 1st Amendment

>>135368403
>Fuck. this question is making me question my libertarian views
it should.and it's a good thing to do so.

>>135365061
>potential

u wot. they ARE evil. they are actively censoring "islamaphobic" webpages - anything that disagrees or speaks ill of mudslimes is getting blocked or pushed to several pages deep on searches they used to be top for. the mudslimes that own the current propaganda pages that pop up for jihaad, islam, etc are actually thanking google for the page rank updates publicly.

read what julian assange said about meeting the top guys from google and their activities relating to the elections.

https://wikileaks.org/google-is-not-what-it-seems/

look up how they are getting sued in europe for billions for fucking over competitors in searches and consumer malpractice.

google IS evil. by a long shot. facebook and twitter are leftwing jewish mouthpieces too. look up throttling and shadowbans and facebooks fake news (anything they or governments paying them disagree with) scrubbing. look up anti-white hate groups (literally I hate whites and white people must die groups) allowed to stay on the sites and anything that even mentions muslims or jews is banned. these groups control the majority of the web, which most consider an essential part of their lives. they answer to no one and are actively fucking people over. net neutrality? dont want isps selling your info? these guys already fucking do that. they collect everything from chrome, gmail, facebook, twitter and sell the data.

see how every company is banning alt-right and even cuck-right people?
patreon, paypal, go fund me,etc

the only way that people can fund andrew anglin, for example, is through the good old p.o. box. so much for libertarianism, huh?

>>135364754
probably, or eliminated entirely, social media is trash.

i know most of us are inherently against any sort of internet controls being imposed, but reality is that this is still the wild west when it comes to tech/internet. Many of us grew up in the late 80s or early 90s and remember life before the internet, before facebook, youtube, google, twitter, etc. and it really hasn't been very long since those things came into existence.

we've had it good up until now with how unrestricted most of it is on every level from usability to unfiltered speech to whatever else, but at the same time I realize this can't go on forever as these tools become more and more powerful (President using Twitter daily to basically broadcast official policy). These are meaningful and impactful tools with real world ramifications and eventually we're going to need to have serious discussions about regulations and restrictions at some level or it's going to become unmanageable.

>>135369464
>>135369457

Yep

They should be bound to the 1st and objective

These aren't your local stores.

Yes, they are replacing telephone and mail. It wont be long until the majority of all communications go through them. Americans will lose their free speech rights if they don't act quickly.

>>135365260
yeah I've boycott all corporate social networking and somehow life continues completely normal and as usual, unlike my electricity, trash collection, sewage and water which remain actual necessities.
How fucking cucked by social media psychological waterboarding do you have to be to think your facebook is as necessary as water.

>>135369745
>Americans will lose their free speech rights if they don't act quickly.

Yep

These corps are literally propaganda outlets that push their own opinions

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>>135369457
>they collect everything from chrome, gmail, facebook, twitter and sell the data

Maybe this is why they shilling for net neutrality? They don't want people moving into their money making market.

All you have to do is not use the product if you don't agree with the companies ethics. Instead everyone is like
>omg we're losing control of all major communications
>we're losing our free speech rights
>omg its replacing telephone and mail
>omfg they keep monitoring us, where muh privacy?? dis is big brother shit. 1984 muh dudes
>SIGNS INTO FACEBOOK MESSENGER

Blame whatever or whoever you want, but you fuckbois are doing this to yourselves

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>>135364754
I DONT GIVE A GOAMN FUCK THEY USE SPYWARE
AND NOONE SAYS HEY STOP USING SPYWARE
EBAY IS A SLOT MACHINE
VALVE STEALS GAMES
ANY COMPANY WHO DOES BANS FOR LIFE IS A FUCKING NIGGER
ANY SITE THAT DOESNT GIVE ACTUAL REAL ANSWERS TO SHIT LIKE BANS AND THINKS REPLYING TO THEM WHILE BANNED IS AGAINST SOME TYPE OF RULE WHEN THEY BAN ARBITRARILY AND DONT GIVE A FUCK IF YOU ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SITE WHILE BANNED BECUAES HEY WHERE ARBITRARY OR SOME OTHER STUPID SHIT AND HAVE ANTI-PEER RULES FUCK YOU YOUR ON THE P2P INTERNET THE INTERNET IS FULLY PEER TO PEER

CAN FUCK OFF

OH YEA BTW
ITS ALREADY HACKIGN IF I CANT DO IT THEN THE INTERNET IS REGULATED
WHY CAN GOOGLE PORT SCAN BUT I CANT??????

WHY CAN GOOGLE PORT SCAN BUT I CANT?

MY INTERNET'S REGULATED LIKE THAT BUT THEYRES ISNT? CUASE THEY CAN HACK ON THE INTERNET??? BUT I CANT?

FUCK OFF SHILL TPIC JEW

GUYS GO BAK TO TALKING ABOUT YORU STUPID SHIT

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>>135365890
God bless him indeed.

>>135366555
nice digits

digits of truths

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>>135366729
>tfw you got censored for sharing an article pointing out the blatant lugenpresse antics of the "Trump wants to ban all muslims" media storm last year

>>135370181
>>135366555
Meant for this.

>>135369457
YEA SO DONT LET GOOGLE CONTROL IT
LET THE (((GOVERNMENT)))

SOUNDS PRETTY GOOD TO ME AND IM SURE IT WONT BE FORCED SINCE THEY NEED TO MAKE MONEY FROM IT.

SO ITS LIKE GOOGLE TAXING YOU I GET IT
YEA SOUNDS PRETTY GOOD OP

SINCE YOU THINK YOU CAN TELLME WHAT TO DO I CAN KILL YOU AND I WILL KILL YOU

YOU STUPID FUCKIGN FAGGOTS

usa websites such as this one that we're, are the last remaining hope for freedom of speech all around the world. (although, i'm sure, some germans may use VPN to access this)

>>135368534

What Trump needs to do in terms of the media is clamp down on advertising fraud.

>>135364754
Amazon too.

>OMG DEY GOTS 2 MUCH INFOS ON US

So does the Government, except they take it without your consent. In the case of Amazon, FB and whatever else YOU willingly exchange that information for the (((free))) service.

Oooh I know let's get the guys who take our information without our consent and lie through their teeth about it; to regulate the guys who obtain it with our full understanding and consent in exchange for a service.
>so fkn smart
>totally not fking ourselves

>the government is corrupt as fuck
>dude we should nationalize stuff lmao

>GOOGLE SHOULD BE REGULATED FUCK THEM BEING A PRIVATE COMPANY THIS IS ABOUT OUR RIGHTS

>Healthcare is a privilege not a right, leave our markets alone and let capitalism run untethered!

reallly, really, really makes me think

YEA GUYS WE
OBVIOUSLY
SHOULD LET TEH GOVERNMENT TAKE CONTROL SINCE
YOU KNOW
TRUMP!~!~~~~
IS IN CHARGE
THE GOVERNMNETS GOOD>>135370194
>>135366729

The cucks are going to virtue signal against this but I say godspeed to Bannon.

Corporations are not your friend - they're actively involved in population replacement and degenerate policies.

Stupid idea imo democrats would abuse it when they get into power and do the same to right wing sites

>>135364754
you see anon, there's thing called anti-trust which your government doesn't use anymore which would really nip a lot of this kind of shit in the bud

Isps should be treated as utilities, it is intuitively obvious at this point that an internet connection is on the same level as electricity or plumbing.
Google and Facebook? No, not really I don't see the simularity. I'd even argue there is a better case against Amazon than Google or Facebook, but that is also not there.
I think my intuition has to do with the fact that these companies are downstream from other services, hence they can't be considered utilities.
In order to use either Google or Facebook's services, you must get an internet connection, a phone or computer, an operating system, and a web browser.
Whereas the fundamentals of an internet connection rely on only electricity, whose cost is on the ISP, not the consumer.

>>135364754

I'm sure Bannon wants lots of stuff but he's not gonna get it.

>>135368176
I think this is the ultimate redpill

>>135370538
Yeah but Government is...

Fucking kys you useful idiot fuck

>>135370491
>t. doesn't know what his rights are

>>135365260
Piss on your lawn, shit in the garbage, bury the garbage in the woods, buy a generator, dig/create your own well or collect rainwater. It's not hard you millenial queen.

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>>135370466
EXCEPT SPYWARE ISNT FREE
EBAY IS SCAM
VALVE AND ANY BANNING PERMANENTLY FOR CHEATING IN A GAME COMPANY ARE NIGGER THIEVES AND BAN WITHOTU ANY REMORSE THEY ALWAYS USE THE ACCOUNT AGAINST YOU

I WAS TOLD BY NOTCH MAKER OF MINECRAFT WHEN HE WORKED ON WURMONLINE THAT THEY WHRE GOING TO IMPLEMENT A PAY SYSTEM, THEN THEY WHERE GOING TO USE IT TO HARRASS PEOPLE WITH

THATS ALL THEY DO WITH ANY OF THEIR SHIT

THEY FIGURE OUT WAYS TO HARASS YOU

EBAY SLOT MACHINES. WHICH MEANS DONT EVEN ATTEMPT TO WORK ON SOMETHINT GHTAT IS CONTROLLED BY A MACHINE.

ITS COMPUTER CONTROLLED. NOT MANUALLY.

THAT MAKES IT CHEATING
SERIOUSLY DOENST NOBODY THINK ABOUT THIS?

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>>135364754
Google YES
FaceBook NO

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>>135370510
Need a hand hauling all that straw, man?

>>135370478
anything on the stock market arent your friend

>>135367847
>>135367589
>>135366593
/leftypol/ democrat here, I agree with you.

Either need "local loop unbundling" (state operated company owns the lines - ISPs rent from the lines) or we need to nationalize the ISPs. I'd actually prefer a state based approach.

Right now Comcast is basically a Monopoly in many parts of the country.

>>135370466
Don't be retardeded emu. This is about first amendment protections being given to Internet users. The government already gets all the data they want, didn't you see the CIA leaks a few months back? They are even hacking into tvs and cars.

>>135370796
JEW FUCK YOU
THE INTERNET IS REGULATED
MY INTERNET IS
SO THE INTERNET IS
I CANT PORT SCAN

WHY CAN GOOGLE????

They should be destroyed.

>>135370894
WELL I MEAN I CAN'T MY ISP COMPLAINS SO WHY CAN GOOGLE WHERE DO I BUY MY ISP FROM?

I still amazes me how the kikes don't kill him yet

>>135364754
Yes 100% since the fucking CIA started them & used the connections in MSM to promote them just so they could easily control the masses.

Also fuck the CIA Google & Facebook

>>135364754
I love Bannon. I would let Bannon fuck my girlfriend.

>>135364754
Maybe. But not in any way that walking AA meeting would want. That game belongs to China, with their misinformed and immiserated population.

If a percentage of your company's stock is owned by the public, as both are, I don't think you should be able to give preferential treatment to the search results or information favored by Hollywood and your board members.

>>135365061
The government already is and was heavily involved from the very start of these companies.

Their success was not an accident.

>>135364754
Yes
This way we can get some money out of them

>>135364754

That's fucking brilliant. He is absolutely right.

>>135370772
ebay slots
someone that button changes a dollar amount you pay
want to click my button ill make one, its for a

.. this fucking dontmatter bid\\

this is the epidemy of spyware there are auction regulations and fuck ebay
fuck you guys too

Would they be forced to honor real free speech and not just left wing approved speech if the government got involved?

>>135370727
t. shlomo
>oy vey we must regulate these bad goys online!

>>135365061
Fuck during the campaign after comey announced the investigation i typed into google
"Hillary clinton in"
suggested results
>HC india
>HC indiana
>HC independent

Youre telling me those were organically created results? When everyone in the world is talking about the clinton investigation and its not even shown in the google suggestion???

We don't actually need the gov't to own it, just to restrict it. If we can force businesses to bake gay wedding cakes, I don't see why we can't penalize corporations for what amounts to libel.

>>135371307
sadly if the dems ever get back into office it will become the minitrue again

>>135368236
A patriot fighting The Patriots

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>>135370927
Sorry, I meant

Google NO
FaceBook YES

depends on which conspiracy theory you fall for first
big government or big business

>>135364754
Absolutely. You want to censor opinions you don't like, fags? Let's see how you like a rough anal fucking without lube.

>>135364754
>allowing the government to openly regulate the major source of information

No. It's already bad enough, that would only make things worse. People just need to stop using those services. Google can be replaced; Facebook is vanity and not needed. Only problem with using another search engine though is that a new one will just become what Google already is/be bought out.

>>135370751
>commonly referenced conceptualization of 'hard work' is apparently not 'hard'
You've never dug a ditch or a well before

>>135365260
by not thinking of GOD DAMNED FACEBOOK AND GOOGLE as a necessity?

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>>135369941
it goes both ways. they want net neutrality because they don't want the government getting their hands on their goods.

At the same time, they also do believe in free speech. they wouldnt be free to push propaganda without it.

but at the same time, internet providers DONT want net neutrality, because then they can throttle you when you try to visit 4chan, or make you pay a premium for facebook.

it's fucked on both sides. generally speaking, we need net neutrality to protect us from ISP's who want to nickel and dime your internet access, but we need regulation to stop Google and Facebook's stranglehold of the internet news narrative.

Google especially. literally every other search engine uses Google's algorithms

>>135371919
>this realistic approach isn't necessary, the masses just have to do the right thing on their own accord spontaneously and things will be fine

>>135364754
No, their business model should be wrecked by prohibiting the collection or sale of user data across state lines.

>>135364754
I don't care about either of these companies. So long as we aren't mandated into having accounts with them.

>>135371567
well it already is that today
even though it did get government support in exchange for collusion, the heads today are true believers who don't care that the government has changed

>>135370086
>all you have to do is not use the product

I agree, but you're talking about corporations whose products reach 99% of the world. Frankly, the vast majority of people in this world are too stupid to sit back and think about the implications, or a bigger picture outside of themselves. They aren't willing to give up their facebook, snapchats, instagram, twitter, etc. because it's sugar for the brain. Which is sad honestly, because there's so little information about the long term effects on our brains, & physical and mental well-being.

>>135364754
Well yes since they declared war on free speech and wrong think and sre censoring the news like marxists yes they should. Feels damn good knowing our POTUS and his admin see and are paying attention to how their people are being treated and persecuted while zuck has no problem with pedphiles using the platform.

>>135364754
Ok.
I want you guys to think about this for a minute.
This guy is the "White House Chief Strategist".
He wants to regulate the internet.
The internet, which is a world wide entity beyond the reach of the United States.

Do you get what I am getting at here? This man is an idiot. "The Internet". which is what he really means when he says google and facebook, is a phenomenon. It's not a single thing you can control like an electric company. It's the electric itself. And it is beyond the reach of any single world government.

>>135373078
He wants to regulate Facebook and google so that they can't control the internet

>>135364754
Those companies have everyones data and info. That scares the shit out of me(why do they want it if not planning a takeover) but at the same time i dont want the government having it either. Imagine someone like obama run amock with all that info

>>135364754

fuck yes

>>135373078
I think hes referring to break up the antitrust because these companies have grown more powerful and being used for bad. Its one way to do it

>>135371533

Funny how those same celebrities & musicians butthurt over a privately owned business' decision, turned around and refused to appear or perform in North Carolina because "muh human rights."

>>135372816
This. Nobody approved and its just as bad if not worse than obama spying

>>135364754
Yes. Finally someone on the right calls out these rats. Unfortunately, Trump being close to people like Thiel and Democrats having a tendency to forget their anti-corporate stances whenever tech is mentioned would probably make this impossible.

>>135373267
And as soon as they do everyone will migrate to vk.com

>>135373508
I'm fine with that but start with Amazon first.

The question of how to deal with a company like Facebook not within the reach of the US jurisdiction is the pressing one.

>>135373727
You think 90% of users care who is in charge? They don't and that's precisely why we're barrelling downhill while they censor anything they disagree with and shovel out globalist, anti-white propaganda.
You're essentially saying international entities are above regulation and that's horseshit.

>>135373287
But Obama did have access to this data. Ever heard of Snowden or NSA?

>>135373794
Amazon/CIA does need something done. Potus needs to go after the usps to deal with the amazon problem. Close the loophole

>>135364891
fpbp

Regulating Google or Facebook is a ridiculous idea. They are nothing like a public utility. How embarrassing for Bannon!

>>135364754
you realize this actually would be fascist right guys? The coup is happening before our eyes and now this. Goddamn this is awesome.

>>135374028
Without Amazon how will we reroute packages away from terrorists?

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>>135364754
>retarded national socialists on /pol/ are embracing this because LE BASED BANNON while simultaneously decrying Obamacare as commie government overreach

>>135373901
Yes. These corporations were elevated is why they took off do fast and got so huge. They need broken up. Most are fronts for intel. Scarey if you think about it

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>>135364754
They are essentially monopolies, of course they should be regulated like utilities.

OR the culture around the free market can be lifted and anti-monopoly regulation could be removed.

Only one of these options is pragmatic, doing nothing is the least pragmatic.

Image unrelated.

>>135365206
lolbergturdians are the biggest kike enablers ever. Their god and messiah is Ayn Rand, the biggest kikess tard who wanted something similar to rapture in bioshock. Dog eat dog. each for themself.

>>135374189
Obamacare was completely retarded in every conceivable aspect, it is nothing resembling socialized healthcare, and I continue to believe that it was designed to fail so Dems could try forcing a truly socialized system at a later date when it was more palatable.
Forcing people to pay health insurance companies does not help tackle rising healthcare costs in any way and fucks everyone over more. "Nothing" is better than the ACA.

>>135374242
Very scary indeed. Every time I hear someone decrying Wall Street, "the banksters" and other such bogeymen (not that I like them too much either, but they aren't trying to reshape society and don't threaten the existence of humanity itself) I wonder why no one calls out Silicon Valley.

>>135364754
I absolutely agree with regulations on social media to protect free speech.

>>135374189
Considering we have an election every 4 years its terrifying to think of it ending up in the wrong hands. What if zuckerberg runs and censors news? Its already bad. Imagine if someone like that had 100% control over it. I do think the government should start fining so theyll stop supressing search results, editing definitions, labeling "fake news", purging conservatives without warning, etc. Until someone sues the shit out of them it wont stop. Why are they being allowed to openly put out algorithms to supress news and media? No lawsuits why?

>>135373287
The government already has it.

Feeding everyone's info to the government is the purpose of these companies in the first place.

>>135373794
>Outside jurisdiction
>Foreign entitity/business
>Impose absurd tariff on Sheckelberg's corp
>Eliminate their largest demographic & investment
>Rest of the world crumbles

>>135374687
The Supreme Court and First Amendment still exist. There's a reason the jews focused on subverting corporate ethics in our country instead of the direct approach that Europe got.

4chan should be nationalised and regulated

>>135365409
Oh God I want a Fuhrer so bad

>>135364754
Sure. Fuck 'em.

Good.

>employers ask for facebook regularly
>twitter is one of the few forums where you can build a public following
>google uses everyone's data to build power rivalling that of a state, and to monopolize and shape the future of artifical intelligence in its image
>amazon literally raping entire industries to build its monopoly

Whether you have accounts or not, you should care.

Silicon valley is a disease and fascism is the cure. It may well be the case that laissez faire allows for the most rapid innovation, but innovation is worse than worthless if it serves to undermine society and usher in the degenerate future.

It's about time to put Silicon valley under the boot.

>>135364754
But then we'll have to subsidize it for niggers.

>>135375266
We'd only have 1chan after the government taxed the other 3.

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>>135365409
>You want a Fuhrer?
Yes.
But it's usually the 2nd or 3rd generation who fucks it up.

>>135374242
>These corporations were elevated
Wat? Explain.

>>135364891
/thread

>>135374282
>They are essentially monopolies
They are essentially nothing like monopolies. Stop spewing leftist memes.

>>135375564
Most of them were created or at least heavily funded by US intelligence community.

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>>135365061
I don't get the idea that corporations are better at handling things than Governments. Governments, at least currently, are beholden to the will of the people. Organizations, corporations, etc, are not. If they become tyrannical and the people revolt, they can just skip town to another country and be fine. Governments cannot rule in exile. Just ask Poland.

>>135375761
Google and facebook? GTFO lol. Go to /x/.

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>>135364754
this cock sucker is on the way out

>>135364978
/thread

>>135367847
>>135367589
>>135366593
I'd be completely fine with losing net neutrality if there was nationalized ISP. It would be a great thing for America to join the rest of the civilized, non-Australian world in terms of internet quality, cost, and infrastructure.

>>135375846
https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/how-the-cia-made-google-e836451a959e

It's probably lost on you, but it's all in the open. Ever heard of In-Q-Tel? They aren't even hiding it, you can learn about it from Wikipedia for fuck's sake, but niggers like you just don't.

>>135376230
>alpha male

>5'6
hahahaha

>>135368403

Libertarianism could and would work in a high-intelligence, high-trust, ethnically-homogenous community with shared value for libertarian principles. The problem is that only the first one of these requirements is anywhere close to being met in the United States (and it's rapidly declining due to immigration and leftist schooling).

>>135364754
Inb4 Bannon gets into a accident and dies, then it's found out that George Soros was behind it.

>>135376368
So...if I direct you to website that claims extraterrestrials have been running world governments, you basically HAVE to believe it because it's on the internet right?

>>135375564
These companies did not start small and work their way to grow this huge this fast. Huge amounts of money and advertising push on every commercial, platform, corner of every newscycle, magazine, books, coasters and menues at fast food chains, etc. Millions on just advertising. It was not an organic growth

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>>135375809
the idea isn't that one corporation is better at running an entire country than a government, it's that any given task (and don't say 'lol what about the task of running a country' cause that involves many tasks and don't get fuckin jewy on me), a corporation will do better.

The reason being is that a government is actually NOT beholden to the people to the extent that you think it is, due to the nature of Democracy. In all reality, government is not beholden to anyone- anything they do wrong can be simply blamed on the people, after all, the people voted for them

But even more importantly, a government has absolutely zero incentive to work efficiently. This is the main point. A government simply has 2 goals: to maintain power, and to grow in power. The longer the government takes to complete a task, the more resources are devoted to said task, and as a result, the more power the government gains. All the government has to do is strike the balance between extracting the resources from the people, while maintaining the illusion that said resources are being responsibly used to whatever extent is necessary to keep the people from overthrowing the government

A corporation, on the other hand, has the primary incentive to stay efficient. The reason being that they actually gain power based on efficiency, and are also in a constant competition with other corporations for efficiency.

MIND BLOWER:
This is why we advance the most in times of war. Governments face an outside threat, and it becomes necessary for them to become efficient to maintain control.

>>135375564
Then it became you can access someones webpage without having a facebook account and adding to a friends list.

>>135376527
5'6 when his fly is open

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>>135374282
>Monopoly

>>135376659
No. But if the CIA itself doesn't deny running a technology venture capital fund for the express purpose of harnessing the technology for their own ends and multiple unrelated sources make the same claim AND no one actually attempts to deny it, I'd say its highly probable to be a fact.

>>135369526

Social media might be trash, but it's revolutionary trash. Together with smart phones (and the internet at large), we've created a something of a psychic gestalt. Everyone is plugged in ALL THE TIME and can upload their views for everyone else to see no matter where or when they are. This is incredibly earth-shattering but people don't even talk about it.

TL;DR social media is why Trump is prez, so think before you shit on it totally

>>135366729

>(((Sand

You know what, fuck it, I'm not even going to say what we already know.

Fffffff

>>135368712
>it'll backfire if the Dems get back in power
I have a hard time seeing the Dems come back without triggering a civil war tbqh. No one in their right mind would let these lunatics in the media anywhere near the levers of power.

>>135369941
Both sides m8

Google/Facebook/etc. need to be regulated so they can't censor and control narrative the way the MSM does, nor use their monopolies to control everything on the internet.

ISP's need to be regulated so they don't do the exact same thing, but through their control of the internet infrastructure itself.

Both sides are bad. Both sides need to be regulated by the government to keep opportunist late-stage capitalists from using them to exert influence on democratic and political systems. In essence the government needs to step in and prevent the tails from wagging the dogs.

I don't think it'll happen though. Corporations are becoming defacto governments that control current "governments" from the shadows. Deep state and megacorporations go hand in hand together.

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Governments have too much power not companies. Is pol just a bunch of cucks for b bannon?

Yes, they are natural monopolies.

That said, I'm not sure I favor an official state Facebook anymore than I do a for-profit corporate Facebook. Any platform that encourages adults to transform their life into a perpetual public performance must be discouraged.

Also, while I think that the state should take over the entirety of television spectrum, I don't think it should replace corporate propaganda with state propaganda. I think it should scramble all but one channel, which it would only use for emergency updates, folk and classical performances and nature documentaries. Will this happen? Of course not.

>>135366593
No need to nationalize them, just regulat them properly so they can't censor.

Title 2 carrier status enforced via a bill in congress is enough.

And then a similar regulation to prevent online companies from regulating the internet should be done as well.

>>135376659
reported for catastrophic retardation

>>135377193
This whole "roads" thing is a nice meme, but a retarded argument to actually make. No one claims only governments can build roads. A lot of people claim without government the infrastructure would be a lot more expensive and inefficient.

>>135366199
you fags only want government intervention when it benefits your shitty ideologies

conservatives threw a hissy fit over the prospect of enforcement for equal airtime requirements for political campaigns extending to the internet.

>>135366199
the right is almost always the ones making the fake news because trump admin has been stuffed with fundamentalists and science-deniers of every stripe.

>>135376704
>These companies did not start small and work their way to grow this huge this fast
Yes they did ya spaz. Facebook even more so. It was started in a dorm room.

They should be regulated in such a way that they can't silence political opinions as favors to Hitlery.

>>135373287
>Imagine someone like obama run amock with all that info
>conveniently ignore trump has all that info right now

>>135376527
>hahahaha

He typed, pecking with his fingers a gingerly fury upon the keys of his battlestation. And in that same instant, lost on him was the irony of this achievement, where, for all the internet glory he now possessed, his life had undoubtedly remained unchanged.

>>135377779
Yes, when the day of the rope comes we will have all the info we will need on you little commies. There will probably an algorithm capable of telling your favorite last meal from your facebook entries.

What the fuck. So regulating ISPs like utilities, since that's what they fucking are, is horrific government overreach, but regulating private companies as utilities, which they fucking aren't, is somehow an acceptable idea?

>>135377193
governments have also built nuclear weapons, power plants, space craft, the ISS

>>135377296
I'm OK with splitting monopolies but not selectively for political reasons like "my position is not getting enough air time".
It has to be done by uniformly improving anti-trust regulation in an unbiased manner, not by micromanaging companies at a whim of the administration.

Otherwise whatever government we have can just use that as a tool to play favorites with industry at well.

>Bannon proposing higher taxes on the rich
>Bannon proposing more government regulation

What dimension and board game is even being played at this point

>>135366593
>nationalize anything
Nah, fuck off commie

>>135377627
Right and zuck just happens to be suddenly in the pocket of soros. Im not buying the story

>>135376365
Follow our governments lead. You sell the copper lines and create a state company to build fibre internet. You then get kicked out in the election and the new government decides that shit is too expensive and trys to just update the lines. They then find that shit to be bad so you buy back the copper lines and realist they need rebuilt and spend more money on this than fibre would have been without increasing internet speed at all

>>135369823
And the government isn't ?
You people are retarded. The government os already tracking everything you do, are you under the delusion that they have your good in mind ? God what an embarrassment /pol/ has become.

>>135378268

Right, they could be like-minded folks investing in the same shit, like combating climate-change. I don't think Alphabet and Facebook actually need Soros; Google has done a pretty good job holding its own against Yahoo and Bing.

>>135365260
Depending on where you are geographically, it would be a combination of photovoltaic, solar thermal, geothermal (ground source heat pump...), micro-wind, micro-hydro, with a back up compressed gas generator if necessary during the few weeks of midwinter, a well, and septic system.

This is why I cannot take any libertarian seriously, because it has nothing to do with "environmentalism" anymore, there is no reason in most places outside a city, not to be independent. These are things you can provide for yourself now, utilities are just another tax for the stupid, but the intelligent are so outnumbered, this is truly a planet of apes.

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>>135364754
an yet no talk of nationalizing the jew central banks, and putting the power of money creation in the hands of the people.
Bannon confirmed for kike shill

>>135378522
Checked

>>135364754
Yes, the internet as a shared knowledge and communication platform, is the only necessary utility left for most of the world, the rest can be provided in-situ with know-how. Outside of that, most of us should already be off-grid in most places, that was possible to get started twenty years ago.

>>135364754
facebook has an enormous monopoly on social media. I don't think there is competition literally from anyone else. They bought basically all of their other competition, which was really only Instagram.

also friendly reminder that if you have a facebook account you are a degenerate

>>135364754
About fucking time. I've been saying this for years.

I guess our concept of what a utility is in the internet age has to chage. Google may actually count as one. The whole search service that is.

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>>135364754
Gas is a utility.

>>135365890
blessing a faggot is a sin. you will rot in hell
>we wuz aryans

>>135365061
>the gov't getting involved would probably fuck things up even more.
You nailed it

>>135365260
Once facebook is regulated and subsidised you wont have a choice there either

>>135377611
>you fags only want government intervention when it benefits your shitty ideologies
You gotta fight fire with fire, you raging faggot.

>the right is almost always the ones making the fake news because trump admin has been stuffed with fundamentalists and science-deniers of every stripe.
A lefty talking about the right-wing denying science? This isn't the 2000s, retard.

>>135379206
Was saying it about the internet in general back in the mid nineties when in college, could see this coming even then. I was verbally attacked about it in a similar way the SJW's attack anyone with a brain now.

Amazing, how those liberals did not like the idea of relative easy access to sharing information.

I worked my way through school, I could see the class bullshit then, am I the only who sees true class warfare coming?

libertyfags, let me ask you

How come on a platform with the capacity for nearly infinite competition (the internet), there seems to be near monopolies everywhere? Google, Facebook, Youtube, Twitter....etc. Very little real competition going on.

How do you explain this? Why isn't the free market working?

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Yes Regulate them .Google and face book are out of control.

>>135364754
No. If you don't like Google you can always use Yahoo, Bing, DuckDuckGo, or even Baidu and Yandex. If you don't like Facebook there's Twitter, Gab, and older sides like MySpace.

>>135379995
but notice how basically nobody uses those other options

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>>135373267
This

>>135364754
Obviously not. The government needs to have less control, not more

>>135379877
Yeah, I've always feared huge corporations having my information more than the government, because the government has that information anyway. We don't need to add corporations to the list, particularly when you consider their penchant for far-left political propaganda, censorship and subversion.

>>135369309
Huh

>>135370636
>In order to use either Google or Facebook's services, you must get an internet connection, a phone or computer, an operating system, and a web browser
In order to use water you need tubes
For electricity you cables and as well other things

>>135374282
>They are essentially monopolies,
This

>>135379995
Most of those "search engines" you mentioned use google, always did.

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>>135367589
That is the scariest fucking thing I've heard all night. If you think Comcast is fucking you over then you know nothing of the horrors that a government-owned ISP would force upon you. There would be even less incentive to improve infrastructure because there's no profit at stake and they can just brush off complaints.

>>135366555
Those digits don't change how fucking delusional you ar. This is how authoritarian and totalitarian regimes go

No, people deserve to get fucked in the ass by giant companies like this if they are too stupid to realise that they are playing into a monopoly. Government intervention has already ruined the internet enough. I want the old, wild west internet back.

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>>135380348
>This is how authoritarian and totalitarian regimes go
Where do you think you are?

This is the ultimate trump card against google and it's trump hating news algorithm. I say do it. Self righteous fags need to be put in their place.

>>135380426
But the choices that other people make in the marketplace affect you.

For example, if radioactive food becomes popular, your healthy options are going to be constricted. You'll end up paying super high prices, and dealing with unprofessional suppliers. You are bearing a cost because of the idiocy you are surrounded by.

This refers back to the "divine spark" model of the human being. The idea that everyone is some kind of rational individual, making choices based on their own personal preferences, needs, and desires. Actually most people are just stupid sheep that follow the crowd. They need to be lead by a strong hand. This is why the market doesn't work in many instances, and why you need some regulation of public goods

>>135379921
Because people are stupid, technologically and economically illiterate. A society where Facebook profiles are used as a metric of social and personal identity deserves to be enslaved by their fruits of their own arrogant foolishness.

>>135369457
They definitely shadowban. My old account with 500 followers got less retweets/likes than my new account with about 30 followers. They'll shadowban me again soon.

>>135380690
exactly, people are stupid. This is their nature, and it's why libertarianism doesn't work

The place it has the best chance of working is somewhere like Norway or something where everybody is ubermensch. But even these people are super susceptible to social stigmas, and are herd creatures by nature

>>135364754
Yes and it amazes me this isn't a higher priority, these companies have insane levels of power and are run by lefty people who will use that power to their own end.

>>135369464
If he's able to pay his journalists more than some mainstream journalists receive then he's getting a fair old wack in the post.

>>135364754
>Be conservative until you realize you can damage the other side by regulating them to disrupt their influence.
I love how this board at the drop of a hat will abandon one of its principles (not interfering in the free market) just to score some points.
You are all pathetic, cafeteria conservatives.
Please die in a fire.
Thank you.

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>>135379995
Myspace is still active?

>>135364754
No fuck you. I hate them both, but you're inviting the fucking devil.

t. atheist

We have utilities because it would be impossible to have two competing electric or water companies into a given area.

Regulating google and facebook like a utility would basically end the companies as we know it.

they should be made to produce facts
>google white couple

>>135370772
Did you get banned from steam for using hot hax you got off myg0t? The only people I know of getting banned were either hacking, or huge harassers that cranked it up to 11 with a name like "Niggerstomper9001" that just ear rapes every server they join and then mass spams/comments on everything in site.

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>>135379995
duckduckgo
>immediately starts accessing image files

>>135368236
>Nationalist Centrist Populist
So Hitler?

>>135380869
since when has /pol/ been a conservative board, faggot?

>>135368712
>Of course it can then also backfire once the wrong administration gets back in power.
Exactly. With private companies (assuming no lobbying fuckery) we can just stop using their product. With government we can't.

That's...retarded. Why would you call for websites to be utilities rather than the Internet itself?

>>135370478
kek

>>135380302
Difference is, as a citizen, the people are the shareholders, they have a vote, and a voice. I don't know why everyone is so stupid about this, but as a U.S. citizen, you are a shareholder, a stakeholder, in that corporation, you just have to know how to exercise that power.

>>135364978
Yeah, we see how that went.
>facebook spies on you and creates shadow profile even if you haven't visited their site once in your entire life
>facebook was caught doing psychological experiments on its users
> Z U C C literally called its users dumbfucks who believe him everything
>everybody knows more or less that Facebook knows everything about them, be it their photos, location, messages etc.
And dumbfucks still use it.
>google is always pushing SJW agenda
>many sites impossible to use without their fucking apis
>turned Android from free and open software into crap
>spies on you 24/7 with their "Okay Google" shit
>logs every search, every location etc.
Admit it, free market is a meme.
People will not care about how bad product is as long as it doesn't kill them.

>>135381148
NatSoc is the only politically sound system that has a chance at upgrading our current one. We won't be able to completely replace the system in place, but we could definitely take some things from it that would not only do the us some good, but in turn also the world

>>135380426
Heheh, I remember those days of the internet.

>>135370974
>Also fuck the CIA Google & Facebook
samefag desu senpai baka

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>>135364754
>Should Google & Facebook be regulated like utilities?
fuck yes, this is how the jews are controlling the minds of everyone

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>>135369787
>How fucking cucked by social media psychological waterboarding do you have to be to think your facebook is as necessary as water.

So much this.

Fuckin people today starting to act like the internet is needed for muh survival. Notice much of the support for this idea comes from the stupid nationalists, fuck you

>>135378316
There's been quite a few attempts by local governments to do just that. They inevitably get bogged down in court challenges from telecom lobbyists.

>>135380922
They have always been active, after they lost favor among popularity, they focused on indie music and such.

>>135381067
Most places haven't needed that stuff on a large scale for decades.

>>135368737
False equivalent. The difference is noone ever died because of their social media was mismanaged.

>>135365260

don't fucking use it

>>135380869
What do you mean? It's a binary choice at this point. Do you want some other corporation making the decisions for you, or the one as a citizen you are the shareholder in, stakeholder in. I'd rather have a real voice than not.

>>135364754
I can't think of any other way to handle the situation when a privately owned company manages to become so massive and all-engulfing as a method of speech and public interaction. You'd have to get people stop using the services altogether to break the stranglehold, and that's not going to happen. It's simply not permissible to allow a private entity to have the ability to dictate what ideas others are allowed to have when they control the de-facto entire forum, and so the likes of Google and Facebook are going to have to have their kneecaps split by the hammer of the 1st if they want to keep doing business.

Furthermore, Google needs to get it up the ass from uncle Anti-Trust, the sooner the better. Just off the top of my head(without even getting into busting the parent company Alphabet to pieces), Google should be split into:
search engine
advertising
AI dev(including self-driving vehicles)
youtube
software dev(Android/Chrome)
email & social
api services(web fonts, web apps, anything falling under googleapis in general)
cloud storage

>>135380426
>Government created to protect people
>Fuck the people!

>>135364754
Yes.

We've already seen them weigh in on the 2016 election, doctoring search results squelching ones that cast clinton in a bad light while pushing bad ones about trump

Clearly they cannot be trusted to be a neutral party.

But how would our government inject itself into this thing without any concept of how it works and expect a positive result?

>>135368364
It's just normal monopoly busting / anti-trust.
I've wanted more than anything for Trump to be more like Teddy.

>>135385059
also
>Google White People

>>135386020
This

>>135364891
Already are by NSA
/thread/

>>135364754
Don't stop there. Amazon, Air BnB, Deliveroo and Foodora (any delivery service that under pays it's staff and jews them out of money)

And (((Uber))) <<< This one out of any tech company needs to be kicked in the balls bigly.

>>135364978
you live in a dream world, that shit does not work
i know americans hate this kind of regulations, but it is time to bend those companies over.
Bill Gates in the 90s was literally satan and hitler into one, and he pulled a fraction of the bullshits these companies pull on a daily basis.

>>135380348
>unchecked state power is dangerous
>unchecked private power is totally okay

Let me guess, you're a lolbertarian?

>>135380820
>somewhere like Norway or something where everybody is ubermensch.
You mean the police state where people's tax returns are public, there's a deadline to banning normal cars and banks want to eliminate cash? So fucking libertarian.

>>135380869
>I love how this board at the drop of a hat will abandon one of its principles (not interfering in the free market) just to score some points.
Since when is /pol/ an establishment Republican board?

>>135386558
Uber is basically a criminal enterprise - collect money from dumbass rich people, spend it on bonuses for you and your friends, fuck over working people in the process, then fold. I can't believe it was allowed to operate for so long.

>>135375470
Fucking this. Day of the 3d printed rope when.

>three anonymous sources
Oh you. But I agree.

>>135364754
Internet is a utility as much as gas, water, phone, and electricity.

>>135387410
All that you said and a whole lot more including:

>bribing journalists
>setting up teams to dig up dirt on journalists who speak out against them
>allowing criminals too drive for them
>bribing governments
>using tracking software that apple forbid on it's platform
(they only stopped the last one after kicking and screaming about it)

and that is the stuff I remember

The government should be able to ensure our rights to freedom are secured. They see a reason to to act on our behalf. We see the reason as well.

>>135387883
The internet might be, internet services such as Google and Facebook are not.

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>>135364754

No, they should be regulated by some kind of body but not the same as utilities, they're nothing like your water or electricity provider unless of course you meant ISP and not facebook and google.

man, this board is so up it's own ass it can't look past its own sphincter.
you all pretend like this administration is the literal endless fourth reich and any laws it puts in place won't be used against you by administrations in the future.

go ahead then, support the regulation of information but don't come crying about abuse of power when your safe spaces are regulated out.

>>135389464
operates as service on the internet

>>135389623
they should remain politically unbiased, not specifically pushing an agenda that harms our country

>>135366199

Yes. We have fake news attacking the left all the time. The internet is free game.

>>135369464
Didnt capitalist open the borders for cheap labor?

>>135381557
It's the exchange of ideas that are being considered, although the internet is not necessary for survival, it helps. Especially in moving on beyond surviving, to thriving. Kind of like how telephone and electrical utilities changed the world at one point.

Even though we may be on the precipice of leaving behind those same utilities in the way they were essential to advancement for most of the twentieth century, since we can now potentially access them without the same infrastructure, the same cannot be said with certain for the internet.

>>135364754
Bannon is talking about monopolies, not censorship.
(I know you know this)
Yeah, they are to monopolizing. It's twisting truth, allowing corporate policies to dominate who says what. break them up.

>>135389845
underrated

>>135364754
Bannon is literally /ourguy/ holy fuck I didn't expect him to talk in public about shit like this.

Facebook and Google are the most critical components to the kike machine. 99% of new online advertising (read, money made on the internet) was absorbed by faceberg and jewgle last year.

Bannon is only suggesting regulation in this case cause he knows it's terrible for business. What a boss.

>>135389253
Don't forget about
>using "God mode" in other words tracking every user at will
>covering up sexual harassment
>cheating drivers out of money (there was a recent case in New York with Uber ordered to pay up, no doubt it's not an isolated case)
>deceptive financing contracts with drivers and borderline fraudulent recruitment in general

And that's the stuff we know about in an environment of complacent press and intimidated governments.

>>135390203
>unregulated employment
>mass immigration from muslim (terrorist?) countries
>= 9/11 everywhere

>>135366199
news should by law state only fact..that's what should happen

>>135375648
>>135376829
Feel free to qualify your assertion at any time.

>>135364754
Fuck jews and fuck google, we're giong to kill these fucking treasonous spooks,

>>135365930

You're not worthy of your flag.

Yes they should be regulated and paid hundred trillion times over for something they already been paid for yes by all means keep the retards in control

>>135366729
She's going to get offed. Unacceptable kike worldview and too much power, top 5 worst people in Silicon Valley.

>>135365409
>mfw dems too have thought that democratic party rule will last forever
>Hey let's govt even more power! Sure it will not backfire anytime soon

>they know everything and have tons of info on everyone
>Yeah, let's give them protected "utility" status so Zuckerberg will never lose his shekels. They've earned it!

>>135380869
Never identified as cuckservative

No, that's stupid.

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Why not break them up using anti-trust laws? Am I missing something?

stupid like a fox must be Bannon"s stratagem to ingratiate with Vegeburger