Fuck Russia

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We learned nothing from Iraq

Fuck this board

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>>135357208
>economic sanctions of geopolitical competition for invading neighbors
vs
>invading mudslime tarpit
can you spot the difference?

Ukraine is not our problem.

>>135357094
We got sand niggers to kill. WHy fuck with the ruskies?

>>135357094
missed your sentenced that said Russia did anything tangible to america.

The harder argument is why sanction them? They "meddled" in our election? Fuck off. They kill political opponents? Fuck off. They're involved in human trafficking? Fuck of..

Wouldn't it be great if everybody got along?

>>135357094
because russia hasn't done anything

>>135358464
You mean boots on the ground, or missile firing? Why do you dumb red necks think a shot has to be fired to be considered an attack?

Trump sold the U.S. out for an election win. Simple as that. He should've notified the proper authorities when he had the chance.

He didn't. If that's not clear you're as dumb as you are inbred.

Hey OP, Crimea has been Russian for hundreds of years you ignorant fucking hick.

>>135359050
Trump beat your shitty candidate without Russia's help.

>>135359050
>nonviolent attack
say what? this veteran doesn't think you know what you're talking about and when the draft hits bc of this fake russia bullshit and you ship off to serve POTUS Trump -- I'll laugh.

>>135357094
>Russia invaded Crimea.
How about minding your own fucking business you neocon piece of shit ?

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>>135358464
>>135358302
>>135358768
>not understanding economic vs. military action
also, are you actually under the impression that we can maintain superpower status without actively suppressing the competition?

>>135357094
Russian separatists living in Ukraine are responsible for the fighting. Russia as a sovereign nation hasn't invaded squat. Also Crimea had a referendum and has a Russian majority. The peninsula was Russian territory for hundreds of years, it only became part of Ukraine due to Stalin's retardedness. The West must work together with Russia and Assad if we are to defeat the ISIS menace

>>135359331
>Trump beat your shitty candidate without Russia's help.

Jill Stein supporter. Fuck off.

>>135359684
Im too old for the draft.

Every country has the right to conquest and none have an obligation to defend "allies".

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>>135359701
hey dipshits, it's not about right and wrong. it's about maintaining and projecting power.
>rome: let's just get along with everyone and let them settle our lands rather than attempt to subjugate them.
>worked out fucking great

>>135360219
Hey Rambo, Russia can destroy your entire nation in a nuclear storm that would make the flames of hell look like a cozy campfire. Are you sure you wanna go down that road?
One Sarmat alone can wipe out an area the size of fucking Texas.

>>135359865
>Russia as a sovereign nation hasn't invaded squat.
This is bullshit and you know it

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>>135360219
>it's about maintaining and projecting power.
Get your priorities in check.
http://www.usdebtclock.org

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>>135359865
>isis is more of a menace than a once-superpower with thousands of nukes
top notch analysis. i now understand why australia is such a military tour de force

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>>135360012
Your shitty candidate was one of the shitty candidates beat. She was the shittiest of shitty candidates.

And she also met with the Russians. Didn't do her any good, did it?

>>135357094
what does you american have to do with other continent wars and history?

>>135357208
Yes honestly what do sanctions against Russia have to do with Iraq? I think you've been playing too much 4D chess with yourself.

>>135360573
Stupid yank... when was the last time your army of fags and trannies actually won a war? And you think your fat and degenerate nation of Walmart zombies can succeed where Napoleon and Hitler both failed. LOL.

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>>135360492
yes, that's why i want to continue dampening their economy with sanctions. how is this too difficult for you to understand?

>>135360570
do your homework. most debt is held domestically.
further, the priority IS correct. the world's only superpower holding the world's reserve currency doesn't actually owe any country anything.

>>135360219
Also, this. THIS
You have to do EVERYTHING to keep allis happy and enemies scared.
If Ukraine looks west, and Russia fucks it up, the west must fuck Russia, because:
- We expand our influence
- We put pressure on a competitor
- What happens is a warning for other, in a direction or another ("you can join the west" vs "the west is all talking and no action, the true power is Russia").
ANYONE that does not get this is either an idiot or a Russian shill.
Probably the second because this board is literally infested.

>>135360219
But Rome did try to subjugate everything and it toppled over because of it's size and corruption

>>135360852
Or you know try to do peace talks instead of making an enemy and an unstable ally
Also U.S. does not need to expand its influence whatsoever

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>>135360774
>economic sanctions
vs
>fighting a war with an army
are you seriously too fucking retarded to tell the difference?

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>>135359050
Haha, excuse me sir, pffff haha, um, you aren't actually, you can't actually believe this? You aren't serious right now, right?

I mean fuck, you aren't actually serious with this, are you sir?

Are you?

USA overthrew a democratically elected government
We effectively engineered a coup that has resulted in the civil war we see today.
Imagine if the EU and China teamed up and overthrew our government and installed Hillary Clinton. Would there be any breakaway regions?

>>135358624
Russian politics are non stop whining criminals. They just don't stop flushing to us their shit propaganda to all our media. I'm happy that America did that sanctions.

I hope that oil industry somehow will go down in the near future and whole Russia will collapse as country with third world's economy and won't have any finances to threaten they're neighbor countries.

>>135360834
>yes, that's why i want to continue dampening their economy with sanctions. how is this too difficult for you to understand?

Alll you have achieved is to solidify a Sino Russian alliance. Americans are so fucking retrded, marching from one clusterfuck to another, never learning their lessons, and then acting all surprised as their nation falls deeper into the abyss.

>>135359050
>Trump sold the U.S. out for an election win
how so?
What did he sell?
His son agreed to accept evidence implicating Hillary Clinton in crimes that put the nation's security at risk

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>>135360509
Pic related

>>135360573
Ever heard of MAD? Why would Russia and America go to war with each other. This whole Cold War 2 shit is just a meme put forward by the elites to direct society's attention to an external "enemy" rather than inwards

>>135360863
saying "empires get too big" is a tautology. nobody agrees on causality in rome's case.

BUT the point is that when empires cease projecting power, they crumble. hence my argument that we should continue the economic sanctions against arguably are main geopolitical competition.

>>135361036
its ironic you claim that they whine a lot

>>135360992
Don't you see where this is headed dick head?
Oh and by the way embargoes and sanctions are an act of war...
Little by little the path to open conflict draws nearer.

>>135359865

It was transferred by Khrushchev on his birthday for who knows what the fuck reasons....always Russian always will be Russian.

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>>135357094

The "trump shouldnt sanction RUS" EIL5 (yes, its a reddit term, fuck off):

1. RUS is the largest consumer behind China & Saud in luxury goods, some markets like London, Luxembourg and Paris/Cannes thrive on Russian property and good spending (money laundering)
2. RUS is a major player in NGO politics, specifically anti-NATO rhetoric such as that seen in Serbia, Albania, Montenegro, France & Spain. Sanctions are seriously crippling many political bundlers/political assets
3. RUS is the second largest capital spender behind Saud and Malaysia on oil & gas exploration, production and infrastructure. Alot of companies from XOM to SLB rely on RUS to keep their stock market buyback programs functioning, and by extension stock market index funds need those buyback programs to justify their sales pitch to gullible retail investors
4. Russian oligarchs run state subsidized businesses which need cheap Russian govt. financing to compete in global markets, particularly in metal manufacturing & trade. Sanctions have crippled their ability to sell Russian backed bonds and allow Oligarchs to continue to finance their otherwise bankrupt operations
5. Sanctions and the inability to refinance the debts of the Russian state (Note, not the DEFICITS but the ACTUAL NOTIONAL DEBT OUTSTANDING) is fucking with Putins plans for Asian expansion (Kureal islands), and recapitalization of the Russian Army, Russian pension plans & paying off the Sochi debts.
6. Despite promising to pull back from EU and disarm the ICBM's in the HRC 2010 "Russian Reset" RUS has not delivered on anything in Georgia or Ukraine. Instead they have continued to arm up and expand foreign agent influence in NATO states while NATO has scaled back nuclear shield & defense agreements significantly. Until Putin re-enters START or retreats from Ukraine, its a lopsided deal structure for MAAD.
7. Putin is fucked, he can't back down in much the same way Chavez could not back down.

>>135361266
>main geopolitical competition.
its china
how is it Russia?
Russia is a crumbling morass with an economy not even in the top ten countries in terms of GDP

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>>135361114
>Alll you have achieved is to solidify a Sino Russian alliance. Americans are so fucking retrded, marching from one clusterfuck to another
working so far.
[x] still reserve currency
[x] still largest economy
>pic related. mfw aussies lecture on the topic of geopolitical power

>>135361241
You do understand why that meme exist, right?

>>135361430
The US is a ponzi economy just waiting to collapse. Twenty trillion dollars you owe, think about that. Playing world cop is an expensive habit.

>>135361299
>little by little open conflict draws near
>cold war for 50 years
how ignorant can one aussie be?

>>135361511
So why do we need to push around Russia? They could be great partners.

>>135359865
> it only became part of Ukraine due to Stalin's retardedness

Now let's all countries allow to claim their territories that they had before ww2.

>>135361633
a) look up main holders of us debt. not complicated
b) the world cop and sole superpower doesn't actually owe anyone money
hence why we should continue projecting power

>>135360834

You abandoned the other thread community college. Why so?

>>135361692
>implying cold war never happened
>implying russians don't view themselves as our main competition
let's all play nicely and the hills will be alive with the sound of music

>>135361512
Fuck's sake, I don't go on Know Your Meme for every reaction image. I guess posting the chicken in this context is pretty ironic huh? Still though has Russia ACTUALLY set foot in Ukraine beyond Crimea (which is no longer Ukraine). There's a difference between Russians and Russian separatists. One lives in Russia, the other lives in Ukraine but wants to live in Russia

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>>135361633
So you think China is ahead of us because of our debt? How old are you kid?
Our debt makes us powerful. Americans spend almost everything they make, and when they aren't spending, they invest. Do you know who saves money? Chinese people.

Ever heard of the term it takes money to make money? All you have to do is believe in the economy and it exists. Its simple, but only America and our Jewish overlords have figured that out. Its the reason we could invade your country after breakfast and be done before lunch.

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because let russia be an oppressive third-world shithole by its lonesome.

>>135357094
This sanction can't touch civilians.
But reply will hurt me and my family:c

>>135361871
taste my ass, i've only posted in this thread

>>135361788

USG doesn't use GAAP and potential derivative debt is off books community college. Get back to super sizing and super couponing.

>>135357094
The real question is why should we sanction them?

Russia has more nukes than anyone else in the world, and the most powerful nukes. So you want to start a war with Russia because Russians in Crimea voted to secede and join Russia?

We never actually smacked Ruskies around, in the 1800's our interests were in different parts of the world. During the Cold War we didn't engage because both of us would be dead (MAD). Now we have no reason to fight, since the enemy was always Communism and not Russia. The basis for hostility between us is gone.

There's no functional difference between economic sanctions and a military seige. Sanctions are indirect aggression. Any difference you might perceive lies on the 47th chromosome now go fucking kill yourself.

>>135362024
Yeah maxing out the credit card is the way to prosperity. Fucks sake you people are dumber than rocks.

>>135362117

Sorry community college but I don't appreciate fatty feedlot downer meat.

>>135360583

On the National ballot, more than expected.

>met with the Russians. Didn't do her any good, did it?

Difference is Stein accounted for her meetings. She probably took money from the Oligarchy in good faith.

Didn't effect the election or her relationship with Trump.

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>>135357094
>Russia invaded Crimea
Crimea historically belonged to Russia dumbfuck.
Crimeans Identify as Russians, do the math.

>>135362119
>muh derivative debt
see point b) a sole superpower and reserve currency doesn't actually owe any other country or entity

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>>135361952
this is the old ben shapiro argument
you have to point out the damage before we can solve the crime here
please tell me what Russia has done to us
I'll wait

>>135361692

No, they couldn't. Russia as a culture is incompatible with the Western system. Russia is a system of cronyism and patronage. It is still for all intentions a clan based dictatorship with only the most primitive facade of legal rule, contract law and institutional structures. Nobody in Russia, not citizens or army actually believes in the Contract of Law or the State as benefactor. Russians view their country as a Con game mark and embezzlement as a way of life.

Contrast that with Westphilian governments. Even /pol/ as a case study. US entities, even our CIA backed proxies will go full in on defending rule of law & the sanity of law. Sure, some (most) of our Dictators and Proxies are huge pieces of shit (Edrogan / Turkey), but every one of our allies will fight it out to the last man to defend the freedom of courts, the rule of contract law and freedom of trade. You can not make that same claim for Russian backed proxies or economic systems. This is a fact since 1951.

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>>135362130
>muh nukes
kek ignorance of modern tech is hilarious

>>135362130
Well said.

>>135362247
read the thread you fuck nut. it's not about right and wrong. it's about maintaining and projecting power.

>>135359855
What tangible gains have we gotten from this imperialism? Are we collecting tax revenues and regular payments from all the countries our troops are in? No, those operations are sink-holes, and our soldiers are there on dubious grounds.

Does it make sense to send the army to depose 3rd world dictators and then bring those people here when everything goes south in their homeland? NO.

Also, why are our troops all over the world when we are literally being invaded by our neighbors to the south? You lefties forgot what the army is for. It's for protecting the homeland, not pointless exhibitionism for the sake of egos, or whatever.

>>135362285
And a leaf appears. LOL.

>>135362266

Sounds like a bad faith borrower to me community college. People drowning thrash hardest just before they go limp.

>>135362208
whatever loser
youre a fuckin strayan lol

>>135362270
>implying we should wait until we are "damaged" before taking action
this is the old trudeau "if you kill your enemies they win" argument

>>135362583
>being a warmongering neocon faggot
This is why pretty much everyone other than Americans secretly wants to see the US get absolutely fucked.

>>135362213
>keeps talking about community colleges
>cyprus
do you even have universities?

>>135360573
ISIS is more of a threat. Islam in general represents a literal, perennial, existential threat to western civilization. The prime aggressor tearing up Europe right now is, who?

You must be a baby boomer to have this flawed old perspective, either that or a commie leftist. Russians are part of western civilization and the same blood that flows through them flows through us. That makes us logical allies.

>>135362285
we all do the same shit, they just do it differently.
the time has come to grow up and respect each other.
It's the USA who is using its might to bully a tiny Russia until it fractures into tiny pieces. George Friedman from Stratfor has been predicting this shit for ages.

>>135362583

Amerika = The Ultimate Warriors. Sounds about right.

>>135360219
Rome wasn't really good at getting along with everyone, including themselves which was the problem. They spent a lot of time killing each other over who could be Emperor.

>>135357094
>Russia invaded Crimea

Crimeans voted for Russia to come save them because the EU, NATO, and US Neocons literally paid actual neo-nazis to oust the elected Ukranian president from office so they could install their chocolate king puppet.

You realize that the timeline doesn't start with Putin just randomly deciding to "take Crimea".

It started with an actual coup of the Ukraine by Western forces. The West took Ukraine, then Putin somewhat reacts to this move of theirs, but the West portrays Putin's tempered reaction as if it were an initial act of aggression.

>>135360701
Because we lost control over our government :(

But at least Trump seems to be against pointless wars, ostensibly.

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>>135361299
>Anything that shows up controversial about USSR, Russian government responds with whining and faking facts.

If you don't believe check this: twitter.com/mfa_russia/status/885899982926229509

Russia just keep their revanchistic thoughts about bringing back USSR or at least annexating countries that were once in it, that's so fucking stupid.

If world wants to live peacefully and without wars we must support Crimea.

>>135362768
>muh ISIS
If this is your understanding of geopolitics you need to fuck right off back to plebbit and take the OP with you.

>>135362742
>sanctions and military conflict are the same
you are aware that russia sanctions the us and other countries as well? so should we consider them to be militarily attacking us? or are the two things actually different you dip shit?

>>135362901
too fat

>>135362483

Does it bother you that a Leaf's know more about Global Affairs & Strategic GEO-INT then your dumbass ?

Thanks for the Ausie shitpost. Suck a Koala.

>>135362760

I'm rich fag and can spot a boot licking morning marching pretender from a kilometre away.

>>135362285
Fight what out with who?
You're just talking about some ethereal enemy that only the good goys can fight and Russia can't cause he's a loser and has to sit at the retard table with Assad and Khamenei

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Did someone say "fuck Russia"?

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>>135362431
((((it's about maintaining and projecting power.))))

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>>135360992
And why exactly do we want to fight against Russia? Is it so we can all perish in a nuclear hellfire? War with Russia won't end any other way.

>>135362979
How the fuck can Russia sanction the US in any meaningful way?
Reddit I...

>>135362985
you havent actually said anything
in two paragraphs you literally said nothing

>>135357430
Good goy

>>135362768
which is more dangerous to the us (fuck europe)?
a) a bunch of shitskins fucking goats and throwing fags off roofs
b) a modern military with icbms and nukes
>i am completely incapable of critical thought, so let's go with a) because muzzies hurt my feelings

>>135357094
Cry more you neocon shill fag

SAGED

>>135363087
Also this. The literal only way Russia could potentially win a war against the US is via surprise preemptive all out nuclear strike. People pushing for conflict with Russia should be fucking hung in the street.

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>>135362901
I don't know if you what you say is true or not. I don't know what to believe anymore.

>>135357430
>geopolitical competition
you're talking about a few countries that IMMEDIATELY NEIGHBOR THE "COMPETITION" AND YOU DON'T SEE THAT AS FUCKED UP?

>>135357094
muh based putin muh savior of europe muh assad kek

he made russia straight again

>>135362431
maybe this comes as a surprise, but it's not only jews that like living in superpowers. cf. germany and rome

>>135357208
Nor lybia, syria, Brussels or Paris.
Psyops is taking this board.
Average poster is barely above a flat earther. Also, there's a fuck ton of flat earthers here that swarmed in over night and never left

>>135362862

Bullshit. Do you actually know how Russian procurement contracts are awarded ? Do you know how US Gov contracts are awarded ?

Now lets extend this to their stock markets and banks. Do you know the difference ? Do you want a red pill ?

There is no psyop or propaganda. Russia literally is nothing close to how the UK/US system has operated for 300 years. Go ahead, pick a proxy regime. Lets make this easy; research what US bilateral agreements contain for Iraq vs. the "republic of Donetsk". Start looking at how state assets are privatized and work backwards from that to how proxies are supported by private security agreements.

Night & day.

>>135363240
Russia would never strike the USA
The USA is the aggressor
If the USA wants good relations they are more than willing to have them with us, on the pre-existing condition that we do not fuck with their long time allies. Why is that so unreasonable?

>>135361299
Maybe the Baby-Boom cucks think that if they get us all killed in a war with Russia that God will let them into Heaven faster? I don't know, it's hard to imagine they are really this stupid, but really there is no other way that war with Russia could end.

An attack on Russia means nukes WILL hit the US. End of story. Even if the cucks were to nuke Russia first, the Russians still have second strike capabilities. Even if they didn't have second strike capabilities, nuking a huge country which did NOTHING AT ALL to us is more insane than anything proposed by Stalin, Hitler, and all the most wretched oligarchs of the previous century. I see no justification for it, and if we want to nuke other countries we ought to at least pick a real enemy, like Saudi Arabia or Pakistan.

>>135362440
>Are we collecting tax revenues and regular payments from all the countries our troops are in?
please research benefits of being the global reserve currency.

>Does it make sense to send the army to depose 3rd world dictators and then bring those people here when everything goes south in their homeland? NO.
THIS THREAD IS ABOUT ECONOMIC SANCTIONS. How are so many of you imbeciles unable to separate the ideas of i) sanctions against russia and ii) invading buttfuckistan.

>Russia invaded Crimea.

European players made a power play in Ukraine by funding/inciting anarchists (Euromaidan) to overthrow the pro-Russian Yanukovych govt, Russia responded to show they aren't going to be boxed in, tit for tat faggot.

>>135363399
Our countries do business every day. If we wanted to align our systems with them they would be more than happy to. But we punish them, because they fight for their national interests in a sphere that is historically and geographically tied to their country. It's obvious to anyone who isn't a blue pilled shill.

>>135363098
are you seriously trying the "white people can't be racist" ruse? To directly quote your stupid ass:
>There's no functional difference between economic sanctions and a military seige.
i point out that russia sanctions the us. you claim "russia can't actually sanction the us" which is basically "white people can't be racist."
>bonus: you have the lack of self awareness to use "reddit" in your argument

>>135363411
Are you fucking retarded? Has your head been up your was for the last 8 years? This has been talked about. The conversations are out there. The information is out there. We are closer to nuclear war than at any point during the fucking cold war right now. Stop relying on the faggot western msm. They don't tell you anything. You fucking mouth breathing reality t.v. watching heap of literal feces.

>>135363571
finally actual knowledge shows up
leaf on suicide watch

>>135363085
see
>>135363271
>maybe this comes as a surprise, but it's not only jews that like living in superpowers. cf. germany and rome

>>135361768
It doesn't matter what Ukraine thinks because they were too weak to defend their borders. It doesn't matter what the West thinks because they invade nations all the time (Central America, Middle East, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Libya). What do the majority of those invaded countries have in common? They were opposed in some way to the United States and more often than not were allies to Russia/USSR. Much in the same way Russia annexes parcels of land, America topples governments and props up "democratic" regimes. The US don't give a fuck if Assad or Gaddafi or Hussein are dictators who commit war crimes, and they certainly don't care about the oil (while it is a nice bonus, they get most of the oil at home, from Canada and Saudi). It's all about exerting influence and backing Russia into a corner. Of course one could talk about the petrodollar and all that but I'm not an expert on economical stuff so someone else can chime in if they like.

Replacing governments isn't quite the same as annexation but it functionally serves the same purpose: bending a chunk of enemy territory to your will and becoming more powerful. At the risk of being accused of whataboutism, criticising Russia for invading Ukraine (whether true or not) and then placing sanctions and refusing to cooperate whatsoever only makes sense when you are a hypocrite. That being said I don't blame the US for making sanctions because that's the exact kind of power play one would expect a superpower to make. It makes logical sense even though it's a slimy tactic

>>135363689
oh please. If we are on the verge of war, what do you think would be the straw that broke the camels back? More sanctions on trumped up charges by congress? Fuck outta here.

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>>135357094
>ghey movie guy rolling in grave because crimea river
>fuck russia

stick your tiny penis in anything if you can, I fucking dare you

>>135363258
what countries am i talking about?

>>135362344
Look up Tzar Bomba. Even if we had an Iron Dome system like Israel (which is efficient for them because they are much smaller), if ONE nuke hits the US it's too much.

I'm not willing to die for stupid Baby-Boom cuck policies. If we leave Russia alone they will leave us alone. The real threat is Islam and 3rd world immigration.

>>135363441

Why don't you tell us about your aircraft fetish faggot?

>>135357094
When Obama said on hot mic was he would have more flexabily after the election we all called him a traitor. He was obviously talking about easing sanctions. All the conservatives said he was being weak. Liberals said he was doing the right thing. But now that Trump is president we don't really want him to mess with Russia and Libs want us to go to war with them.

>>135363087
>cold war for last 50 years
>implying sanctions will put us over the edge
>not understanding we can weaken opposition without actually going to war
>not understanding they do the same to us
wew

>>135357094
"Invades" a country without a single shot being fired. That's pretty impressive. They wouldn't have to if the NATO states didn't meddle in the elections of Ukraine in their coup. Imagine if Hawaii became their own country. Imagine if they were only a couple hundred miles off our coast. Imagine if the military bases there were our one of our only foreign bases. Now imagine China putting in a coup to put in place an anti-American party in place. What do you think we'd do? Answer me that OP. Ya faggot.

>>135363841
ukraine dipshit
estonia?
latvia?
lithuania?
georgia?
turkey?
azerbaijan? Just saw Trump posing with the leader of AZ at that summit with the glowing orb

>>135363441
And again, why do you want to economically sanction Russia? Are you salty because they don't allow public acts of homosexuality or because they arrested Pussy Riot for disrupting a church service? Really I don't understand you people at all. Germany has a bigger economy, why don't you want to sanction them?

Uncuck your mind.

>>135363952
>cyprus continues to make no sense
i hope you get gangbanged by a boatful of refugess

>>135363116

Not true. I said why removing RUS sanctions matter to both US global investors and supporters of the Putin Regieme.

Next, a /anon/ said we should work with RUS and I said NATO has tried since 1985 & the START I to work with RUS and RUS society is incompatible with both Chinese Han-culture and Western legal code based systems.

Russians themselves are great people, but their regime and entire outlook on how society is supposed to function is 100% incompatible with the freedom, national pride, rule of law, honorable natural law & treatment of allies the rest of the world expects from a global compact or "league of nations".

If it were otherwise, everyone would be flocking to USSR hedgemony. They are not for a good reason.

He had to sign this imo
A year from now he doesn't want to hear "sir, you were aware Russia was supplying NK with ____, and chose to not impose sanctions at the time?"
Anyway this is all a long con oil grab on both sides.

>>135357094
>Russia invaded Crimea.
We don't really have a dog in that race, but if degenerate Russia is de-stabilizing the world for degenerate hegemony, then we need to put a stop to that fuckery pronto.

There will be lots of distractions.
>Trannyban
>Russian sanctions
>Reince Penis
It's what they aren't covering that is important... but they will be forced to soon. Remember, this time right now is the small happenings. They are many distractions so that the big happening can play out.

>>135364066

>boatful of refugess

You aren't the prettiest and will never win.

>>135364034
ok, now which of those countries did i suggest we invade in this thread about ECONOMIC SANCTIONS?

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>>135364164

>>135359865
>Russian separatists living in Ukraine are responsible for the fighting.
Nobody with an IQ over 40 falls for lies that retarded.

>>135357094
USA started a coup in Ukraine you booger-eating retard

>>135363818
Kys you fucking Facebook tier summerfag.

>>135364055
>russia has active sanctions against us
>russia has the military (or one of two militaries) that is most capable of fighting ours
pick one or maybe both if you like

>>135363961
No one knows how Russia will react when we break it up through sanctions and an implosion that ruins the lives of a hundred million people?

>>135364034
That globe was a fancy remote control for the threat fusion center the Obama administration co-opted.

>>135364146
>accuses Russia of destabilising pro-West countries
>wholely supports America destabilising pro-Russia countries
Really activates my neurons

>>135364308
there is no reason for our militaries to fight if we are allies
there is no reason to have sanctions against us if we don't have sanctions against them

>>135364256
>le US started a coup meme

Go back to /sg/ and take off your meme flag you absolute filth. It was a peaceful demonstration that went sour because of dumb Russian separatists.

>>135364308

Keep grinding that bad karma out! You'll surely win someday never.

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>>135359865
>Also Crimea had a referendum
The "referendum" was a rigged election with a ballot that did NOT have a choice for Crimea to remain Ukrainian territory.

See for yourself. Pic related.

>>135364256
good, that's the kind of shadow power i'm advocating you non-thread-reading dipshit

>>135364192
Russia

>>135357094
You don't want to be allies with another nationalistic white country? Fuck off.

>>135357094
What business of ours is it?

>>135357094
The only reason libs hate Russia is because it's a white country. Otherwise logic dictates that China should be our natural enemy.

>>135361241
>image.jpg
Why you always be the cuck?

>>135364455
I mean Iraq.
But that wasn't my argument. My argument was against the implication inherent in your first point: that sanctions are justified

>>135357208
This. Is there nobody sane here anymore?

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>>135364455
here we go again
>economic sanctions
or
>military invasion
pick one

OR if you think they're both the same, then we need to scramble the military
>russia currently sanctions usa
>therefore, russia has militarily attacked usa

>>135364475

It isn't one of yours it is property.

>>135364475
read thread faggot

>>135364498
why not both russia and china?

>>135364244
I don't deny that Russia didn't support the seperatists with guns and cash, but to outright accuse Russia of putting boots on the ground is a claim that needs to be substantiated. Of course the West would accuse Russia, they have everything to gain by doing so. But why would you believe anything our media says when they have proven time and time again they cannot be trusted to report the news accurately and unbiased. Take a look at any news article on Trump in the past two years by a liberal newspaper

>>135364410
yeah sure
just like in Tunisia
and in Libya
and Egypt
and Bahrain
and Syria
Just some peaceful protests [with BGM-71 TOW's]

>>135364451
you mouth-breathing nigger, you don't even know who Jaresko is. come back when you're out of diapers.

>>135358768
Yeah Russia hasn't done anything to us
>>135359097
Basically this and before the tartars whinge it was rightfully Greek clay along with where modern day Sochi is

>>135364721

Sharepoint shill is quite shilly.

>>135357094
>Russia invaded Crimea.
Crimea has historically belonged to Russia.
If you think you'll take from Russia, we'll need a military draft.
Which in the end won't matter, because they have stated publicly they will resort to nukes if invaded.
You see, the Russians have this aversion to being invaded.
>Napoleon
>Hitler

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>>135363788
Oh so we are no longer a super power for letting a state go back to their historical clay? Wow Crimea must be some super duper important shit.

>>135364437
I can't read commie, pls post translations. If that's true then yeah that's a pretty dirty move on Russia's part, no defence for them in that regard

>>135364721
Why the fuck are we meddling over there when we're 20 trillion in debt you Obama voting retard?

>>135357094

Mr. McCain please go to sleep.

>>135364646
huh? I said I meant Iraq
No war is necessary
No sanctions are necessary
No interference in their sphere of influence is necessary
and this is what a huge % of /pol/ believed Trump believed, thats a massive reason why I supported him.

>>135364837
>le evil CIA boogeyman is responsible for everything cant just be russians or muslims chimping out oh no occams razor is the bluepill

We used to sterilize people like you

>>135364410
terrorism is not American, you neocon subhuman

>>135364909
how is
>you mouth-breathing nigger, you don't even know who Jaresko is. come back when you're out of diapers.
a response to
>good, that's the kind of shadow power i'm advocating
? it's like you can type but you can't read

>>135365077

Daniel Patrick Mcfeely.

>>135365058
>muhh neocons

You don't even know what that word means, you probably think nuking North Korea is neocon. I can smell your Arab blood from here Achmed

>When did we decide to stop smacking ruskies around?
1991

>>135365032
>muh let's all just get along
you should have voted bernie

>>135357094
Lurk more newfag.

>>135365057
>just muslims chimping out
sounds familiar
where the fuck have I heard that before???

>>135363138
You have to be a Baby Boom, to be this stuck in the Cold War and complacent about the hell your policies are creating for us younger people to live through.

First off, weapons are only as dangerous as the people who possess them. Russians don't have an ideology which tells them to rape and enslave the entire world, and failing that, destroy it.

How do we defend Europe when they decided to allow millions of terrorists in every year? Muslims are absolutely more dangerous, as history has shown (read a book). Those same savage behaviors they engage in in their homeland they continue wherever they go. When you have a birthrate of 2 children per woman or less, you can't afford to let in savage terrorists who breed at a rate of 4 to 10 children per woman.

Leave Russia alone, and they will leave us alone.

You are asking me to take a nuke for your agenda. Explain to me how this is good for me and my family?

>>135365077

Louis Kahi.

>>135365176
nice try faggot
care to explain how I'm wrong?

>>135365135
yes, i support covert action and shadow power. i've stated this a number of times, my cypriot friend.

>>135365032
He wants to be chummy enough to make deals. Thats it.
We have no valid reason to trust them so a comfortable distance is healthy right now.

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>>135362952
>Baltic flag
>Complains about whining and faking facts

>>135365257
He's to stupid to comprehend that bro

>>135365314
the burden of proof is with you, since you are advocating for a change in us foreign policy.
care to provide any successful examples of the "let's all get along" theory of geopolitics?

>>135365357

Rosendo Cedano.

>>135364308
>Russia has a powerful military, so we should provoke them into a fighting us.

Baby boomer logic at it's finest. Why do you think a war with Russia would be a conventional war?

>>135365077
defenestrate yourself, amalekike

we will drain the swamp of you

>>135362952
>If the world wants to live peacefully and without wars we must support X
Fuck off, globalist hippie. We removed Ghadaffi and destabilized the middle east because "muh oppression" and "muh peaceful wurld" and look at europe now. Europe needs more countries like poland, russia, and serbia to tell the mudslime hordes to fuck off. Not the Ukraine which is all "muh EU." Unless the Ukraine wants to get flooded by refugees, it's better off staying away from the EU.

>>135364959
>Oh so we are no longer a super power for letting a state go back to their historical clay? Wow Crimea must be some super duper important shit.
fuk'en exactly.
let the Ukrainians and Russia figure that shit out.

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Agreed, not a liberal here, fuck kremlin kikes and fuck russboo faggots even more, I hate that you pol faggots have fallen for the kremlin kike koolaid, how can anyone diss the US but like Russia WTF??
USA Russia
guns rights X
free spech X
Free media X
free religion X
economy X
infastructure X
super power X

Russia is literally shit compared to USA

>>135365357
I think everyone supports it but what's the end goal? If it's the implosion of a country that could be a massive backstop power against the asians and Russians, and a massive arable area in the future, it should be brought into a unified Western partnership that encompasses North America down to Colombia, Europe and Russia. The Chinese could never compete.

>>135365539
>We removed Ghadaffi and destabilized the middle east because "muh oppression" and "muh peaceful wurld" and look at europe now

That is not even remotely the reason why we removed Gaddafi or got involved in the middle east. You have the reasoning skills of a toddler

>>135365357
you support this because you're a gangbanger nigger who can't earn wealth from the sweat of his own brow.

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>>135363411
>Russia would never strike the USA
Putin is really stepping up the fear propaganda on his people. They're being psyop-indoctrinated to hate Americans because Vladimir isn't getting his way with Ukraine. He's censoring the internet, unleashing armies of social media trolls and acting crazy like that little North Korean dictator, only shorter.

-->Putin threatened to drop nuclear weapons on Ukrainian citizens
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3022793/Putin-threatens-nuclear-war-Russian-leader-necessary-step-drive-Nato-Baltics-defend-Crimea.html

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/31/putin-threatens-nuclear-war-over-ukraine.html

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/567879/Vladimir-Putin-threatens-nuclear-attack-against-the-West

-->Putin threatened to use nukes in Syria against the US
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/threatening-nuclear-weapons-syria-putins-attempt-get-russia-treated-like-superpower-again-1532600

-->Putin is threatening Norway with nuclear war
http://www.topinfopost.com/2016/11/02/putin-admin-threatens-norway-with-nuclear-war-over-build-up-of-us-forces

-->Putin is the one willing to launch the nuclear strikes that trigger WWIII
https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2016-11-02/russias-ramping-up-for-war-where-nobodys-looking

-->Putin is threatening Denmark with nuclear war
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-threatens-denmark-with-nuclear-weapons-if-it-tries-to-join-nato-defence-shield-10125529.html

-->Putin is threatening Germany with nuclear war
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/11886639/Russia-threatens-US-with-nuclear-arms-counter-measures.html

-->Putin is threatening entire world with nuclear WWIII
http://www.inquisitr.com/1484957/vladimir-putin-threatens-world-war-3-says-russia-could-invade-europe-within-two-days/

-->Putin deploying offensive nuclear weapons to start WWIII
http://observer.com/2016/10/putins-activation-of-iskander-m-ballistic-missile-is-a-message-to-obama/

>>135365616
Why is it our business?

>>135365382
Trust them for what? America is a massive power by comparison, they are just a tiny impoverished nation with a massive land area and a ton of nukes and advanced military tech

>>135365470

Jeffrey Yandell.

>>135365257
i'm not a boomer

>How do we defend Europe when they decided to allow millions of terrorists in every year?
why are you under the impression that we should defend europe from their stupidity?

>You are asking me to take a nuke for your agenda. Explain to me how this is good for me and my family?
you are suggesting that the current sanctions will lead to nuclear war. please read the history of the cold war. you are pants-on-head retarded if you actually believe that tensions between usa and russia are anywhere NEAR their height.

your belief appears to be "why can't we all get along together." world history has show many times that your approach to geopolitics does not work.

>>135365757


>http://thedailybeast com/articles/2014/08/31/putin-threatens-nuclear-war-over-ukraine.html
https://archive.is/pKkAF
>http://independent co uk/news/world/europe/russia-threatens-denmark-with-nuclear-weapons-if-it-tries-to-join-nato-defence-shield-10125529.html
https://archive.is/slMSP

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>>135365257
Russia will absolutely not leave you alone it looks like you're the one who needs to read a book, what gives you the idea that Russia does not want to undermine and weaken the USA? please prove it.

>>135359855
>maintain superpower status without actively suppressing the competition?

the competition is china. why wouldn't we want russia on our side? you dumb fuck

>>135357094
Fuck you goose. The third world invaded our country and you want to be a good goy and kill whitey? Fuck off shekel grubbin Jewish turd

>>135365163
>neocohens
yeah, totally Norks

>>135365798

Charles Lisenbee.

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>>135365761
it is our business because we're the only ones capable of containing the kremlin kike menace.

>>135365720
>you support this because you're a gangbanger nigger who can't earn wealth from the sweat of his own brow.

please explain why exerting geopolitical power makes one a "gangbanger nigger."

also, if your theory is correct, then why aren't nigeria or congo superpowers?

>>135357094
America and EU are more communist than Russia. Crimea was liberated from Soros, and the Bankers loan sharks whom are now robbing Ukraine.

>>135365916

Sarah Getter.

>>135362024
>believe in the economy and it exists

fuck off with your (((fiat))) shit. name one fiat currency that's survived

>>135362952
>we must support Crimea.
literally 90% of Crimeans is pro-russian. Visit it and check. Stop believe your retarded media. Balts always says that russians is brainwashed by TV, what a fucking irony

>>135365835
>muh there can only be one competitor fallacy
it's not russia or china, it's both, you fucking simpleton

>>135365668
I'm sorry, but I remember the media portraying Ghadaffi as a cruel dictator and nothing else and that he ought to be removed because of that very reason. And the media also portrayed undoing the regimes in the middle east as a way to promote regional peace.

>>135365422
>>135363810
You want to know what else is stupid about these Baby Boom cucks? It's stupid how they think there won't be any fallout for them after the fallout. Let's say the cucks start a war with Russia for inexplicable/non-reasons. Let's say that I watch my wife and son die horribly, and I've got 3rd degree burns over half my body. Whatever survivors remain are going to thirst for revenge, and it's going to be like something out of a horror movie, and we will know exactly who to blame.

Really when you think about it Baby Boomers are the worst generation, on average. They fall miserably short of the Greatest Generation, and throw their bravery and hard work under a rug. On top of that, they totally failed to properly raise the Millenials and teach them to be functional adults. They voted to flood western countries with 3rd worlders for cheap labor and more votes for leftist politicians, and they aren't bothered by this because they won't be in this world long enough to savor the shit stew they created. It's our generation that's going to suffer.

>>135365916
I don't see them as a menace. I do see Europe being invaded by millions of mudslimes as a menace. Last time I checked Russia didn't have some stupid holy book telling them to take over the world

>>135363643
> which is basically "white people can't be racist."
I assume you mean "black people can't be racist" but I fail to see how that's in any way a valid analogy. Saying that Russia cannot sanction the us in a meaningful way and hence our actions could be perceived as threats is not logically equivalent to the power +prejudice meme since citizens of a nation aren't equivalent to sovereign nationstates.

>>135362024
thankfully these pol fags are a minority, they don't do politics and don't impact our foreign policies because if they did we'd be in huge trouble with their hippy dippy tier bullshit of letting russian kikes do whatever they want. these kids do not understand how the USA operates geopolitically.

>>135366079
Anyways competition is good. Why do we want a one world hegemon?

>>135366079

Technical Parkway.

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>>135366153
god damn you're retarded. Russian would love nothing less than to see Europe destroyed and USA destroyed so they can do whatever they damn please and take over the world. Thankfully we have outsmarted them and are better at playing Super Power.

>>135357094
The Cold War is over. Russia is capitalist now. The current geopolitcal struggle is between Islam and the West, and we're basically on the same side as Russia in that struggle.

Who cares if they conquer Ukraine or even all of Eastern Europe?

Why be partners with Russia? Why so scared of their nuclear weapons that are likely sitting in a rusty silo without fuel because they don't have the economical means to maintain their weapons?

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>>135365757
This broadcasted on federal channels
It is written: "Into nuclear ash". He's say about america

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>>135357094
>When did we decide to stop smacking ruskies around? Goose is rolling over in his grave.

This is not the 80s anymore libshit.

They're not commies anymore.......YOU ARE NOW THE COMMIES!!!

>>135365470
Youre Jewish I can tell. But ok.
>the burden of proof is with you, since you are advocating for a change in us foreign policy.
1. War is bad, lots of people die for no reason. There have been times in the past when our countries were not at war and were in fact allies and ended up defeating a great evil.
2. Sanctions hurt both our countries. If we sanction them, this causes them not to like us. Then they sanction us, and that might be through less transparency or taking a harder stance on affairs in which we interact.
3. They exist in an economically impoverished area of the world that has huge potential, meaning they need our help to tackle this potential economically, which Rex Tillerson knows all about.

If we are not going to war with Russia, and we are not levying sanctions against them or on bad terms, then why do we not work with them to the fullest extent possible to tackle matters on which our national priorities intersect?

>>135366164
please explain how
>black people can't be racist
and
>russia can't sanction the us
are not similar arguments.

>Black people don't have the cultural power to be meaningfully racist. Therefore, black people can't be racist.
Russia does not have the economic power to meaningfully sanction. Therefore, Russia can't sanction the USA.

same argument

>>135366090
"Media" is such an amorphous term that it is utterly meaningless when you use it to describe a complex political event like the Arab spring.

How about we start at the basics:
Can you prove coherently that the CIA encouraged Arab Spring or had any hand in it? Can you prove the CIA is pushing a muhhh oppressors must die bullshit narrative on the Arabs? Can you prove without a shadow of a doubt that the CIA had ANY hand WHATSOEVER in Ukraine?

You can't. You can't prove shit. You're just a gullible idiot drunk on Russian propaganda and 4chan memes.

>>135366176
There are a lot more of us than you think, cuckservative. How do you think Trump got elected? The overton window has shifted, and you Baby Boomers are not going to determine policy for much longer.

>>135366306

Wgs Systems.

>>135366090
There's a difference between "what the government says its stance is" and "the government's actual stance". Domyou honestly believe that anyone in Washington gives a fuck what Gaddafi does to his people? I don't think so. Last I checked Libya was doing pretty well under his rule and was one of the most successful African countries, and then it became just another shit pit when Gaddafi got killed. America only cares about exerting it's power and influence across the world, they are not in the business of being the moral high ground

>>135366368
Vatniks are retarded. can't wait to see them collapse their economy like the retards they are.

>>135366243
>Anyways competition is good. Why do we want a one world hegemon?
how are you this fucking retarded? i am advocating for CONTINUED geopolitical COMPETITION with russia and china through sanctions, covert actions, soft power, etc.

>>135366388

Caci.

>>135366152
Totally with ya. I don't want to watch my little kids get drafted to fight some stupid bankers wars. I wish Crimea the best, it seems most of them are Russian anyway and it's none of our goddamn business. Russian boogeyman is so long time ago

>>135366306
There is no scenario where Russia ever becomes powerful enough to destroy the US. Europe maybe once they suicide by muslim. That's besides the point though. Nationalism on it's own is dead. It's an outdated ideology who's time has passed. Ethno-nationalism is the new paradigm and Russia is a white country by and large.

>>135366497

Reliant CL.

>>135364816
> to outright accuse Russia of putting boots on the ground is a claim that needs to be substantiated.
We actually don't need to. Russian soldiers taking social media selfies in Ukraine are doing for us. { Ooops! }
http://www.baka.com.au/world/selfie-proves-russia-sent-soldiers-to-fight-in-ukraine-vice-news-report-20150616-ghpo2r.html


>Take a look at any news article on Trump in the past two years by a liberal newspaper
the liberals are teh only ones telling the truth. Right-wing sites like Breitbart have been republishing Kremlin disinformation from RT and Sputnik for the past two years:
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article139695453.html

>they cannot be trusted
Anyone with critical thinking skills can separate facts from opinions.

It's the low information Dunning Kruger koolaid drinkers who trust/don't trust media outlets.

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>>135366397
Wrong. Take of your flag mask vatnik faggot.

>>135365945
if you don't understand how using violence to steal other nations' resources has been US policy for at least a century, you really need to get out of your own thread.

if you don't understand how using violence to steal is nigger behavior, you're probably just a nigger.

that some niggers are more successful than other niggers is beside the point.

>>135365616
SOMEONE PLEASE JUST POST ONE REASON WHY YOU HATE RUSSIA NOW:

GO!:

>>135365616
>free media
>good thing
shoo shoo filthy jew

>>135366574

Jeffrey Sanders.

>>135364948
>Crimea has historically belonged to Russia.
So did Alaska. Doesn't mean you can sell it and later take it back.

>>135366497
Are you a boomer by any chance? The challenge of our time is preserving European culture and institutions. This little game you want to play does nothing but hinder that goal.

>>135366306
How about we stop destroying ourselves importing gorzillions of people that don't fit in our culture and paying them welfare?

>>135357094

Fuck Russia.

Putin is a heavy-handed, dictatorial faggot. Russians have a shit, authority-worshipping, peasant culture.

Garbage country. There's a reason everyone in eastern Europe outside of the Serbniggers hate them.

>>135365798
I don't have to prove a negative, cuck. The burden of proof lies on the person making the positive claim.

Tell me what Russia has actually done which is so egregious that my wife and children should be put at risk of death by nuclear war? Or even just tell me what they have done.

Mexico has done far more to provoke us than Russia, and I don't hear you cucks talking about nuking Mexico.

>>135366658
It does if 90% of the people want to go back.
Bit different between equally shitty countries

>>135366720

Saic.

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we'll make it through the putin-bot invasion pol, soon they won't be able to afford internet to shill us anymore

>>135366324
He's to blind to see the obvious

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>>135366589
because i'm American and Russia is our adversary and competition.

>>135366720
Our sanctions make it worse. We need to trade with them, integrate them into the global economy and stop fucking with them for no god damn reason.

80% of people voted for Putin last election. Google that shit. Pew poll.

>>135366387
actually, i'm not jewish, i just know how to read

>1. War is bad, lots of people die for no reason.
for the 50th time, economic sanctions and war are not the same thing. russia currently sanctions us. are they at war with usa?

>2. Sanctions hurt both our countries. If we sanction them, this causes them not to like us.
so it's THIS round of sanctions that's going to cause enmity between russia and usa. Not the cold war, not the collapse of the ussr. it's going to be THIS ROUND OF SANCTIONS that puts us over the edge.

ALSO - and this is the great part - if we decide to stop sanctions, covert actions, etc., then they will decide to do the same. Rather than view it as a sign of weakness and redouble their efforts. Is that correct?

>3. They exist in an economically impoverished area of the world that has huge potential
So do Africans, what is your point?

>>135366570
>boots on the ground

you nigger, we not only put boots on the ground in Ookraine, our generals went there and gave medals to their cannon fodder lying in hospital beds

>>135366477
I never disagreed with anything you said. I am well aware that the government's stance is far different than what they reveal. However, what I was saying was that when people get behind political actions that are said to be done in the name of world peace, (say for example, aggressive actions against foreign nations) the results aren't as good as they would hope.

>>135366901

Techma.

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>>135366695
You realize Russia loves sand niggers more than Europe itself, how do you explain all their love for sand niggers like Iran, Syria, Libya, etc etc, checnya, paying chechens to not bully them, their huge polulation of muslims, all their mosques in moscow. Russia loves Sand niggers more than anyone else.

>>135366881
this is some serious CIA bullshit
lol who came up with this? fire that fag immediately LMAO
Trump is literally the grandpa of a Jew if you want to get right down to it. You know who actually gave loans to Trump to build and finance all that real estate? His pappy? LMAO

>>135366691
I am not a boomer.
I do not buy the argument that we need to preserve Europe. Sovereign countries made their (bad) choices. I do wish them the best.

Also, why do sanctions against russia make it more/less difficult to "preserve europe" (whatever that means?

>>135366901
I actually don't think we have an argument here.
I'm done.

>>135366901
They sanction us because we sanction them. Someone has to reach out first, it might as well be us if we want to stay in control.

There is no benefit to having Russia as an outgroup enemy when we are faced with massive mental illness (post-modernism, gays, transexuals,etc.) and invasion by non-white hordes.

>>135366079
we're not strong enough to take down both dumb fuck

use your enemies against your enemies. you're the fucking simpleton

>>135366574
Ah, so you're a cuck all salty because Hitlary lost, and you're one of the dumb ones that believes that BS narrative about Russia hacking our voting machines. Well, can't cure stupid I guess. But know this, if our wives and kids die because of a nonsense war that you people start, then there is going to be hell to pay.

>>135367040

Beckley St.

>>135367149
because we can use Russia's help to bring some perspective to the table on how to deal with these islamic fucks

>>135366570
Go fuck your self lefty

>>135367149
>Also, why do sanctions against russia make it more/less difficult to "preserve europe" (whatever that means?

It means preserving traditional European culture as opposed to Asian or African culture. It makes it difficult because it promotes enmity between fellow white nations and thereby hinders us in uniting against non-whites.

>>135367149

Jennifer Marie Place.

>>135366798
says the anti-white soros paid shill

Shill bait topic

>>135366589
Can't think of one

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>>135367194
no i don't believe the collusion conspiracy and I support trump and voted for him, you lose. Fuck Russia. can't wait till it collapses.

>>135367185
i say
>russia and china are both competition
you say
>use your enemies against your enemies
in other words, russia and china are both enemies. so what is your point?

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>>135357094
Trump puts sanctions on NK
>omg does drumpf rlly think another sanction will work what an ass hat
Congress puts sanctions on Russia
>wow. much progress.

The DNC actually rigged the American election and the media didn't give two shits. At least be consistent.

>>135367269
>how to deal with these islamic fucks
turbo blast brown people with no RoE would be my guess, not that they have a lot of success either way.

>>135367040
and Nato loves iraq, kuwait, jordan, uae, saudi arabia and israel.

how can you defend Nato's love of sandniggers?

>>135367303
this

We didn't like Russia because they were trying to subvert our nation with communist horseshit. Now the ones trying to do that are American universities, media and leftists.

>>135367356
nope I'm pretty much wp, just hate russia

>>135366176
nice paragraph sized shitpost

>>135367568
because of russia

>>135367447

George Colony.

>>135367269
please explain how russia is going to help europe.
gonna sink a few boats of refugees?
or are they going to send a few exKGB over to cockblock Ahmed before he drops a load in sweet innocent Katarina ?

>>135366306
>Russia wants to take over the world
m8 they don't even have one paved road stretching the length of their country

>>135367622
Because of (((Germans))) ultimately. They were as much of a victim as we are.

>>135367584

Eclipse Sigint.

>>135357094

Fuck Americuck. Get the Jew out of your country first then talk about Russia.

>>135367447
we need russia's help to contain china

omg, can you be any more geopolitically illiterate?

>>135367303
>>135367543
wait you guys seriously think russia is going to mobilize the whites, roll through the streets of Berlin and London, and kill mudslimes? and you think i'm crazy for wanting sanctions?

>>135367568
This

>>135366941
>you nigger, we not only put boots on the ground in Ookraine
Invited: US, UN, NATO forces
Not invited: Russian forces

>our generals went there
Flynn was actually working for the Russians so in a weird way he was Kremlin boots on the ground.

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So Russia can't invade a peninsula full of Russians most of whom wanted to be under Russian rule without sanctions but America is allowed to invade half of the Middle East for oil and for their owner, Israel sanctionless?
Where is the logic in that?

>>135367832

Errik Hinch.

>>135367751
>we need russia's help to contain china
maybe you can help me become "geopolitically literate" by explaining your argument

>>135366941

"Boots on the ground" means deploying troops to a warzone to fight, you absolute retard.

Training with the Ukrainians (an ally) in Ukraine is not "boots on the ground"

Russia sending in troops to Ukraine to invade and forcibly annex their territory is boots on the ground.

>>135367892
read the thread, asshole. it's not about right and wrong. it's about maintaining and projecting power.

>>135366388
Russia can sanction the US but he didn't say sanction. Anon said meaningfully sanction. Sanction is equivalent to being racist in this context. Meaningfully sanction is equivalent using institutional power to promote racism, which is what libs mean by "blacks can't be racist". What you get wrong is your interpretation of why that statement is invalid. Blacks can be racist but they can't meaningfully enact that racism. This point is valid. That statement is only wrong because it implies that whites don't have the right to maintain their own institutions in countries that they founded. Whites have a right to discriminate against blacks institutionally in their own countries without resistance by outsiders (non-whites). Nations do not have the right to gang up against other nations without opposition by said nations.

>>135366393
https://vimeo.com/ondemand/ukraineonfire

>>135366393
>Media is such a nebulous term
Nice deflection, anon. Don't act like you don't know what I mean. The Western Mainstream media, specifically the American media, the one that looked down upon Bernie sanders, looked down upon the Libertarian Party Gary Johnson, the one that looke down upon the green party and shit all over Jill Stein, and Donald Trump compared to all the other republican candidates. The one that said it was illegal to read wikileaks and downplayed the mess that was the Vault 7 leaks. The one that currently says little about the refugee crisis and the one that made Le Pen look like a villain, the one expressing horror that Macron wants to clean the streets of migrants, the one that feared brexit and supported Obama when he started giving the executive branch more powers that they are REEing at trump for using.
>Arab spring complex political event
>Implies it cannot be judged as a cause for turning the middle east further into a shit hole
That's like saying the German Civil War, the Wiemar Republic, and the rise of the Bolsheviks during the early 20th century is too obscure to be pointed to as one of the major reasons why Jews were hated by the Nazi's. Or saying the Iranian revolution is too complex to point to it as the reason that Iran turned it into the theocratic hellhole it is today.

>You can't prove the CIA doesn't mettle in matters of eastern nations when there is a potential advantage in regime change

Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzenCpCpEak

Does this look like a 4chan meme or Russian propaganda?

>>135367930

Scotch Corner.

>>135367892

Show me the territory in the middle east that the USA annexed, you stupid Nazi fuck.

>>135367513
>The DNC actually rigged the American election
The DNC rigged their own primary. They can do that if they want and it's not "rigging". Besides, Bernie was not even a Democrat. Even at that, it pales in comparison to the Kremlin's militarized cyberwarfare campaign directly against American citizens.

>>135367656
russia is a culture more like Europe than turkey.

we could have kicked the turckroaches to the curb and welcomed Ivan into NATO if it weren't for the genetic hatred of joo people. Russia has more gas and oil than Saudi Arabia and it would behoove us to be friends with our own kind

>>135368041

Brian Getter.

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>>135357094
>Fuck Russia

top kek. another went along anti-russian propaganda of eternal anglos

>>135367892
>America is allowed to invade half of the Middle East for oil

what're you going to do about it faggot?

>>135367892
Exactly

>>135368145
>RT
>militarized cyberwarfare

you really are a militarized cybercrybaby

>>135367656
the second part

>>135367930
same as with SK and Japan. china obviously has imperial ambitions, and russia's already nervous that china will take over siberia. we need russia on our side, or at least neutral when the inevitable invasion of china happens

>>135368043
argument structure is same in both cases.
>A can do action X to B.
>However, B can't do action X to A, because B is not powerful enough in the relevant sense.

all you are saying is that the argument differs because one applies to individuals and the other to nations:
>Nations do not have the right to gang up against other nations without opposition by said nations.
Replace nations with people:
>People do not have the right to gang up against other people without opposition by said people.
So that's not true?

>>135368144
Did I say they annexed them paco? They illegally invaded them just for oil and to please Daddy Israel. Also, I didn't know Bolshevism and National Socialism were the same.
Maybe you'd belong better at reddit, boy.

>>135367832
no one is saying that lmao

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>>135367892
>So Russia can't invade a peninsula full of Russians most of whom wanted to be under Russian rule without sanctions
If what you're saying is true, if that was what they really wanted - to live under Russian rule, then why did they go live in Ukraine in the first place?

Putin committed grave atrocities to usurp Ukraine's government. That's the reality of the situation.

>>135368406

Weldon Exhibits.

>>135368041
not when that involves EXPANDING into another big country's sphere of influence