Should Scotland be an independent country? Yes or No

>>135334482
Scots are cucks they don't need to be independent.

>>135334482
Yes. Fascist & Nativists of the world unite!

>>135334722
I'm just curious what /pol/ thinks. From the memes, jokes and rhetoric about what a shit hole the UK is between buying plastic knifes and spoons with an ID and soon being 49% native population; Scotland is a small jaunt up north making great strides with renewable energy to the point where they constantly report how they're producing >100% of home energy requirements from wind farms. Their NHS is doing better. They have oil despite it not being worth much these days, but it's there. They have 99% literacy, one of the most educated populations in europe with free education, they're 97% white, their NHS isn't in crisis like Wales and England's. Their economy is currently growing 4x faster than the rest of the UK's as a whole.

So, in all seriousness, why should they stay a part of the UK? It seems like they'd be perfectly fine without it.

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>>135334482
What the fuck do I care let them figure it out themselves for fucks sake.

>>135334482
No. As a Unionist I think we are stronger and better together, since we're very close and they can get more support from us if needed. That's what I believe at least.

>>135335332
You poor sod. The media's brain washed you into really thinking being part of this shit hole is a good thing? I wish England could leave the UK but then I realise we pretty much are the UK.

>>135335491
I'm open minded on what you've got in this matter, please elaborate.

>>135335316
To be independent requires independent thoughts. Scots are not meant to be governing themselves, they are cucks. I don't give a fuck if they stay or leave because UK is fucked either way and that is good.

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No

No, we would have no fucking money and be rekt, were much better off in the UK

>>135336020
You know, I remember back in 1998 it was revealed by accident, by Waldegrave, that the UK government had actually been taxing Scotland twice as much as the rest of the UK due to the oil revenues to the point where Scotland has given more than £50 Billion to the UK than it has ever received. As in, even to this day with their large deficit, they have never cost the UK a penny.

>>135334482

Yes, but there is too many brainwashed and pussy unionists who'll eat up any shit fed to them

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No

>>135334482
Scots are incapable of governing themselves.

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>>135334482
they have never been offered independence

they have been given a choice between the EU banking cartel or sticking with historic allies the UK whom they currently cuck out of billions of tax dollary doos

i know what my choice would be.

>>135334482
that's up to the Scots, but I fetishize independence.

>>135334482
Yes, get the socialist Scott's out of our government.
Scotland would survive, and the rest if us would be better off.

>>135336936
>Scotland would survive

If by survive you mean wed join the EU and become the designated refugee dumping ground

>>135336829
>Scots are incapable of governing themselves
True.


>>135336885
Are you doubting Scotting cuckoldry? See >>135336173

>were much better off in the UK

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Being part of the EU is not being independent.

You will become an Islamic slave state.

>>135337117
sounds like dependency, that makes you weak. think how much harder your life would be. it would build character.

>>135334482
Aye, give lads some freedom

>>135336829
>>135336885
Here's an interesting situation for you Americans to ponder.
During brexit, the UK government will need to seek consent to rewrite the acts that give the Scottish devolved parliament their powers. This is basically Scotland's constitutional law and it needs to be done because the law references EU law to not fault of their own since it was written by the UK government.
Given that Theresa May has no intention of actually including Scotland in having a say in what powers they'll receive post-brexit (there may even be a repeal of them) what do you think of that?
I honestly think they should be more pissed off since it's the equivalent of congress deciding to rewrite a state's constitution unilaterally.

>>135336829
The English are no better.

>>135337189

Why does everyone think independence means we'd be with the EU, why can't we just have more devolved powers while having agreements and deals with England, US, ect

We're just sick of us voting one way and getting fucked by the conservatives year after year, plus it'd finally let the fucking SNP die once they lose half their fucking voting base

>>135337557
Personally I think that's the problem with the UK in general. The only reason labour and conservatives are the two parties is because they were there first. And this swinging between two extremes has basically ruined the country as we consistently and repeatedly build and tear down our country every 4 to 8 years.
I honestly wish we could have an English Nationalist Party like the SNP since they're not radical idealists chasing pipe dreams of laissez faire or socialism.

>>135337557
Because the biggest party in our country fucking loves the EU and would definitely give up all our oil to get us in

i studied for 1y in Uni of Glasgow. It's hyper Liberal there, lots of faggots and lesbians on campus.The funny and sad thing is when you see middle school or junior school, alot of the school kids aren't even white.

Some good things about glasgweigans is that they're racist, hate brits and alot of start to hate immigrants. They don't say it but they for fuckin sure don't welcome them once you go out at night.

>>135338088
>1y un Uni of Glasgow
I cant imagine spending a year in Glasgow, the few times iv went to the city I hated it

No.
I can say this because I am half Scottish.

Scots are retards. Read about the Highland Clearances if you don't believe me. And before that their support for Jacobins.

Meanwhile the difference between a Scot and a Northern English person? Pretty much zero.

>>135338348
Can you hear the sheepies sing. I know where you're from.

>>135334482
> it would help England by removing Scottish over representation in Westminster

> it would weaken Scotland and isolate them from their countrymen if hundreds of years

> Scottish politicians are absolute shit and independence might backfire hard

Sure whatever. Many English people I've met say they'd shed no tears if Scotland left.

>>135334482

No!

Come on... What should the U.K. be doing now?

1) Create an actual English government.
2) Take London out of it. Make a London Special Region so that what happens in London, stays in London.
3) Stop immigration.

4) More shit: Get dominance over Ireland, Norway and Portugal. Maybe Holland too. Destroy the E.U.
Divide and Conquer and shit. But please, take the first three seriously. And no independent Scotland. You are the Northern backward funny province. Deal with it.

>>135338479
I don't think they'd do it to make England cry.

I once heard an American guy pronounce Edinburgh as E-din-burg

no


Love live Briton not England not Scotland but Britannia

>>135338673
Now that's just sad!

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>>135334482
Maybe if SNP weren't celebating the first primary school in Scotland to have ZERO enlish speakers - or if they weren't setting up Arabic pedo witchcraft sessions in public libraries and nurseries (ask me later) - or if Sturgeon never started every speech with "Wur Yoorupeeyin partnurrz", I might be tempted - but until they can actually do stuff for Scots, they can fuck off

>>135338792
woops long live.
>inb4 billion love live posters

>>135338673
I've heard Edin-bo-ro, Edin-burg, Edin-bur-ah, and Edin-Bur

>>135334482
Yes, anyone should be ashamed of being part of the United Khaliphate. Decuck you mind and country Scottish bros.

>>135338348
Then don't come back or I'll smash your cunt in, you Sodomite cocksucker

Yes. It will weak the eternal anglo.

>>135334482

I want to say yes for muh freedom but realistically the SNP already have too much power and they'd get even more if we got independence and they literally want us to be the next sweden so fucking bad we'd be swarmed with muslims on purpose merkel style and most scots would go along with it until its too late since most people here have no experience with immigration problems like the rest of western europe since muslims coming to the UK just stop once they get to england at the moment

>>135339000
It's pronounced Edimbra. Yes that is an m, not an n.

>>135339095
I dont plan on going back, im perfectly comfy in my wee village

>>135335316
The highland clearances removed the best kind of Scots from Scotland. Better it stay a part of the UK at this point, English won that land fair and square.

Highlanders made the colonies their home, the English can have Scotland.

>>135338673

I've heard Americans call Glasgow "Glass Cow"

Just dismantle this whole shithole. I mainly want it to happen just to see how all the Little Englanders would react, having an even more diminished presence on the world stage.

'Muh Empire, muh Queen, muh Churchill.'

>>135339325
Don't you think it's surprising that Scotland has had no immigration issues though? Extremely low migration numbers compared to most western and northern european countries, arguably problems in the opposite direction since they have no powers over it and thus Canadian and American families have been on the news being deported from the country since they failed to meet criteria despite living in rural Scotland.
Perhaps people really dislike the idea of living in a rainy and windy country. Personally, I think it builds character. I've never met someone from Scotland except maybe from Edinburgh and Aberdeen that didn't seem like they'd had an easy life; like their optimism had already been beaten out of them when they were young like adjusted adults have.

>>135339537
The highland clearances were literally nothing to do with the English. It was rich scots kicking out poor scots. Also, the vast majority didn't even go to the colonies, they simply migrated to cities such as Glasgow and Edinburgh. Stop pretending to know our history because it's painfully obvious that you really don't.

>>135337356
We're good at ruling Northern Ireland.

>>135339325
>they want us to be the next Sweden

This seems accurate from my side of the pond. Lowlanders were always sketchy little faggots anyway and as they're all that's left in Scotland these days its better they stay firmly under the foot of their Anglo masters after selling out their highland brethren.

>>135339752
It does build an odd sort of character, everyone here seems to take pride in just how shit and rough it is living here

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>>135339754
So easy to trigger.

>>135339849
Clearly not. Also you don't rule Northern Ireland and have't since 1998.

>>135339859
Are you for real? My secondary school history lessons invalidate half of what you've just said.

>>135340103
Of course I'm angry, because you know bugger all about Scottish and you're trying to pass it off as if you do.

>>135340165
You're so mad. This pleases me.

>>135340165
Our schools are hardly unbiased mate, half the time in my history class our teacher just put on Braveheart or talked about Celtic

>>135340270
You're so cranky, so serious. Obvious plebbit.

>>135340328
Whatever, retard. Nobody with any actual historical knowledge is taking you seriously anyway.

Yes, balkanize those fucking pirates

>>135340387
It's not about any bias, his facts are simply incorrect. It's as if he's stating 2+2=5 and then when I pull him up you tell me it's because of the schools bias.

>>135340425
>Noone is taking you serious
And yet here you are responding with emotion.

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SNP ARE PEDO SATANISTS - PART 1
SNP's "Named Person" laws are for pedophile snatchers given new powers.
It was thought up by some guy who let some doctors off the hook for taking dead baby's organs etc - his name is Keith Etherington.
He runs some org called "In Control, Scotland".
It's part of THE global pedo network.
Somewhere along the lines they got a company called "Hopscoth Theathre" to infiltrate Nurseries & libraries. You will find kids sing "Incy Wincy Spider" or "The Wheels on the Bus" - OK - harmless, right?
NO. They then gets the kids to chant "Shanarri"
and "Giirfec"
These are supposed to be acronyms
From the Arabic:
SHAH = KING
NARI = FIRE
GIIRRA (Girfec) = PRE-BIBLICAL FIRE GOD
FECK = you new here?
I researched this in November 2016

>>135334482
Only if they ban/expel ALL non-whites, become capitalists, and become fiscal and social conservatives.

>>135340533
Yes I'm responding to your idiocy, that's not taking you seriously. Big difference.

>>135340678
What about the asians?

I looked up the figures once, it said they were ethnically about 96% -> 97% white with chinese and asians making up about 2.7% of the remaining population.

>>135340731
I'm laughing and you're mad. I'm enjoying myself, you're expending effort. So plebbit.

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>>135337067
Don't worry, historically there has always been a wall...

>>135334482
yes ofc

>>135340857
Masterful riposte. Very creative, I'm going to stop trying to help you with your poor history.

>>135340821
You realise that the British government uses the term Asian to refer to people from all over Asia. It isn't like the US where it means just East Asian. Most Asians in Scotland are Indians and Pakis.

>>135340657
SNP ARE PEDO SATANISTS - PART 2
After I discovered that something wasn't quite right with "Shannari" I then used "Shanarri wheel" as a search term
I found some site with iteresting pictures, where all the pics were made from seeds (like, grains...)
...of a mother holding her baby to the sky
The sky had a spiral in it
All amde from seeds
Name of site was something like "Farm to Table" or something like that
Many more sites, too freaky, I stopped researching, but I gotta ask:stop encr
WHY WAS AN "EDUCATIONAL TOOL" (see last pic) SEEN ON A WHOLE LOAD OF PEDO "HARVEST" SITES?!?

>>135334482
Who gives a fuck about scotland? If they want to fill their country to the brim with refugees like all their nationalist leaders are suggesting then I say let them.
Just don't expect us to not give Hadrian's Wall a little refurbishment. And no, you're not allowed back in.

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>>135334482

>>135338640
No, they really would.

>>135341342
Maybe atfer a further 30 years of letting darkies in we might start to resemble your proud nation.

>>135341102
It's actually not true, "east asian" is actually the largest minority. China and Japan have strong cultural ties with Scotland.
For example, it was Thomas Blake Glover, a Scottish rogue trader who helped overthrow the shogunate of japan by smuggling arms to the Satsuma and Choshue region which earned him an order of the rising sun medal from the emperor and title of "The Scottish Samurai".
He also helped found a little company called mitsubishi, smuggled workers into the UK to learn engineering and ship building and helped build the first imperial warship. All against the wishes of Queen Vic and protests by the shogun ofcourse.
You should read about it, it's a really interesting history and shows you how much of an impact Scotland has had in the world; they did make the US navy and Adam Smith did invent capitalism after all.

Theres no reason for the UK to continue existing. It once made sense with all the colonies and during times in which there were wars basically always and between different European states. The sense back then was to secure the base of the global empire of the UK. Nowadays? There are no enemies left, UK is surrounded by allied countries and has no weight in international decisions, let alone being a global power. England would be better off themselves, and so would the Scots.
Theyll have their chance anyway, there will be one more referendum in the next 3 years, but if they vote No and bring shame over all the scots giving their lives for an independent Scotland again, then abolish all future referendums and just let them continue being english slaves once and for all.

>>135334482
nope

>>135335316
>Become independent
>Muh oil
>England immediately crosses the border and takes it from you
>Have literally no one to back you up because you aren't in the EU
>5m porridge wogs + 2m "Syrians" fighting against what is left of England

You wouldn't really stand a chance desu. Remember the last time you tried, completely tanked your economy by spending it on magic beans half way around the world and then came back, with your tail between your kilt, begging to be saved? Sad.

>>135341342
Ah yes because the English are MUCH better, after all you all vote Tory! Good old Tories. They'd NEVER sit by idly and accept mass immigration.
>>135341653
I know about Mitsubishi and Coperthwaite and all that jazz but i don't believe it's true that East Asians are the largest minority in Scotland unless you can provide your source.

>>135338479
the problem would be border and the flood of immigrants coming to Scotland, trying to illegally then enter to Britain.

>>135341868
Yes because England would immediately invade after an amicable referendum. Extremely realistic and not deluded whatsoever.

>>135341889
It's cute you think the left wing is so much better

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>>135342135
Don't worry, borders are just imperialistic constructs, here in Scotland we think everybody should have a chance to taste our fine cuisine and enter our booming job markets and copulate with our women!

>>135342280
Don't believe I ever said that at all in fact.

>>135334482
If they did, would the UK become the Kingdom of England, again?

>>135334482
If Scotland breaks away, it will be under leftists who will do everything in their power to import shitskins.
So they're kind of fucked either way--either share a country with a neighbor infested with paki and nigger scum, or break away and invite them in anyway. Plus, we all know that a white nationalist Scotland would get Shoah'd immediately by NATO.

Practically speaking, it's best they wait and get redpilled the hard way for the upcoming collapse and race war, and only then would the white Scots decide what to do with their country.


I went to Skye last summer, was very comfy. Lots of sheep. Highland area is also nice.

>>135334482
yes

>>135342393
>If Scotland breaks away, it will be under leftists who will do everything in their power to import shitskins.
So no change there then whether we're independent or not.

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>>135334482
Do they have a legitimately claim to being an independent country? No. Would they be able to sustain themselves as an independent country? No. Do i want them to fuck off? Yes. Will i laugh as scotfags cry as their country cuts all it's public spending, fills up with immigrants, goes bankrupt and becomes a vasal state of the European Union therefore becoming non-independent and making the whole independence thing a huge waste of time? Yes.

The SNP's predictions on the future finances of an Independent Scotland are worse than /biz/'s meme charts.

>>135342393
>only then would the white Scots decide what to do with their country.
Sit under a motorway and shoot up heroin?
All the high paying jobs are occupied by Englishmen and the Scots with brain cells were moved out of scotland centuries ago to build an empire.

What's Latin for "pure fuckin quality pal"?

>>135341889
Unfortuantely I don't have a source, but from personal experience of being in Scotland, I see way more asian people than any other ethnic minority in the country and I believe it was only last year they held their first chinese new year with each city and some towns having their own little chinas and such.

>>135334482
Nope. They had their chance. Voted against it.

Wallace probably spinning in his grave.

yes, let them join the EU and take as many muzzie shitskins as they can handle, just rebuild Hadrians wall first.

better that than they destroy the UK with their disgusting leftism

>>135342551
>Do they have a legitimately claim to being an independent country? No.

They were a indie country 310 years ago.

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>>135342714
Well, I do have a source and it's the census.

>>135342523
Exactly, and if that's the case, I'd prefer the Scots stay in the union and see the disaster of (((diversity))) for themselves. Whites have been brainwashed into not being racist, and only seeing society collapse around them can fix that.
>>135342617
kek
The Scots I met on Skye were all pretty nice. Although when I made a joke on Faceberg about the Glaswegian accent, a bunch of them flew off the handle. Is that normal with them, or just because it's a lefty hive?

Every great Scot I've ever heard of was a great Scottish person living in England, living in Australia, living in the US, living in Canada, living in New Zealand. The best of Scotland left long ago.
What's left probably wouldn't do well all alone.

>>135342883
I actually never realised the population numbers were that low, to be honest.
You would struggle to fill some football stadiums with Scottish ethnic minorities.

>>135342847
Wow so relevant. Alot changes in 300 years, get out of your Braveheart fantasy. Even Quebec has a better fucking argument of becoming independent than Scotland.

#indyref2 can't come soon enough.

>>135343510
At least you had the sense to choose Quebec. I once saw a a fellow brit remark that Scotland couldn't be an independent country anymore than texas could. He regretted that day.

>>135344396
Should point out that he said this to a texan.

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>>135334482

No, we own you if you want freedom take it

>>135334482
NO. Lowland Scotland is Anglo and shall stay with england

>>135334482
No.

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>>135344396
Words cannot describe how much i want Scotland and all the Scots to fuck off forever.

Texas is cool, shame it's going to be majority Mexican within a few years.

>>135342828
>that flag
>that post
Fuck off Britshit.

>>135345507
>Texas is cool, shame it's going to be majority Mexican within a few years.
I'm not sure if this some kind of meta-troll or if you literally are that retarded. There was a time when texas was 100% mexican, you know.

>>135334482
Yes, better off without Muhammad's United Caliphate

>>135345507
No there growth rate is stalling and they are aging quickly and wait a moment.

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>>135346115
White land by conquest.

>>135346394
>White land by conquest.
Wrong again. Try reading a book sometime.

>>135339849
Ha, you're really messing up your own country.

>>135346115
yeah for a couple of years
texas was part of spain's vast claimed new world holdings but there was no significant spanish-speaking population. they made a deal with Stephen F Austin to settle americans in texas and the mexican government honored the agreement. there were so few hispanics to begin with that the anglos were an overwelming majority in no time at all.
texas was mexican on paper for 15 years and had almost no mexicans living there at the time.

>>135346667
Literally how... America is all white land by conquest.

>>135347152
This. The border region is the only part that can realistically be said to of had Mexicans that were removed or pushed out.

>>135347152
I'm just digging at him because he's linking graphs and speaking nonsense without actually understanding any of the history.

It's one thing to discuss demographics of texas; it's another to say that texas was "white conquest" and to purposefully blur the lines between spanish, french and many other European settlers across America and Mexico to try and fantasize about some head cannon where the white race rode in and took the land off Mexico when it was "the mexicans" that revolted and gained independence from Mexico, became an independent republic and then eventually became a U.S state.

That's the point in what I was saying, he's a retarded brit that's talking about history he doesn't have a single clue about.

>>135347465
The only place to have Hispanic in Texas originally was the city of El Paso and southern Texas which was sparsely populated until 1990

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>>135348013
>>135346391
I hope Texas stays white. I hope Scotland fucks off.

>>135348001
Europe is worse off than aromatics care to learn why? I'll tell you.

>>135334482
Yes.
The SNP are too loaded with partisanship to deliver it though.

>>135348001
It does't matter how it happened. White conquest was the end result.

>>135348253
They have high birth rates about 2.0 (It's above replacement rate if you exclude Travis county) for whites in texas but so do Hispanics and for 50 years had a stream of young adults moving to Texas.

Hell yeah, a European Somalia would be pretty cool.

>>135334482
Yes because it is beyond cuckish to refuse independence. No because we're a bunch of leftist faggots who'd be more than happy to take it up the ass from the EU and the 'refugees.'

>>135334482

Yes, but England should take the oil.

>>135334482
Referendum says no

>>135334482

Don't care as long as you don't blow up a truck when I visit.

>>135338875
>setting up Arabic pedo witchcraft sessions in public libraries and nurseries (ask me later)
why don't you take a seat right over there anon and tell me now

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>>135345507
Once Texas turns blue there will never be another Republican president ever again

>>135338875
On the bright side, if Scotland votes to leave the UK, then the SNP becomes completely irrelevant, so they'll likely have little influence after a yes vote, if it ever happens in the future.

>>135348946
Should have voted yes, Quebec should have voted yes. But their both cuck fags.

>>135348809
The oil is a meme.

>>135349575
I would personally hope that Westminster has electoral reform similar to the Scottish and Welsh government.
It's kind of bullshit that SNP have less votes than UKIP but UKIP don't get a single seat. I don't even like UKIP, but there has to be an election system where all parties should be able to agree that it was fair after the result.

top kek, at this rate the UK will be a city state by 2050.

Seriously, that country is falling apart faster than former soviet states.

>>135350364

>>135350364

>>135350364

You know what to do

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NOD130JZso

>>135334482

Fuck No.

I dont wat to live in a country run by the gayest paliment in Europe. They would fling open the doors to immigration, and run up the EU flag, and in 2 generations there would be no more Scotland.

SNP voters are either leftest or just illiterates who have no clue what they are voting for.

/thread.

>>135352569
>leftest
>illiterates

No. And Ireland should go back to Britain.

>>135339750
>little englander
>diminished on world stage/muh empire

choose one faggot

>>135334482
No. Im tired of hearing about it and you are sweden tier cucks.
You literally need England to babysit you, and you know it yourselves. Thats why you vote against your own independence every time

>>135334482
I feel very patriotic and nationalist but UK politics is a total shitshow that represents a dying nation. Either way we are fucked.

>>135334482
No Scotland economically couldn't sustain itself, Scots are largely socialist parasites all in spite of the English. They claim the oil in the north sea is theres yet its not, as its currently being utilized by English companies.

Mark my words if Scotland broke away it would be poor socialist spiteful of the English and would side with the Jews and EU.

>>135337356
The Irish are no better.

Free the Scots from the Eternal Anglo's rule!

>>135334482
No.
It is full of socialists & every minority you can imagine.
There is no identity to stop the ((())) it would be lost if it was independent.