/pol/ communism general

Oh look, the fag made a communism general thread the very second his shitty East Germany appreciation thread got pruned

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>>135317496

Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.

Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.

Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:

>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" XDDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
https://www.gommies.gom/fug/
https://www.gommies.gom/starve/

GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohfugme/

It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.

Resources:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohshid/
https://www.gommies.gom/1984/
https://www.gommies.gom/guck/
https://www.gommies.gom/probaganda/
https://www.gommies.gom/XDDDD/
https://www.gommies.gom/wheresfood/

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>>135317825

That was another comrade

>>135319163
Yes, very convenient. The very second the thread dies with only a single reply, another gets made seconds later, I am sure it is just a coincidence.

>>135318162
You are doing the Lord's work, cigány.

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>>135317496

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>>135319648
Is of miscoordination of International Leftypol with Unofficial one. Nothing to worry about goyim.

>>135317496
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5z-dt57XJU&t=11s

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>>135319769

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>>135317496
why do you keep making these threads? Are you reddit? Leftypol? Genuinely curious.

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>>135320853
His service to the revolution and progress.

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>>135317496

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>>135321632
take off the snake you motherfucker

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Get in

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>>135321854
are you retarded?

HE its this loserthread again

learn to budget your wellfarecheque then you dont need to scream for more!

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>>135322042
tricked!

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>>135322195
ok, so yes

GAY.

>>135317496
If you want communism, fuck off and live in a commune. There is no state-wide communism without totalitarian control. Fucking retards can't grasp a simple story about farm animals and a century of history. Every commie fortunate to have been born in a free country deserves the chair.

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from "Debunking Economics" by Keen, who himself is a socialist/keynesian Jew.

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>>135323129
WHY DOES HE WEAR THE MASK?

>>135323359

There is plenty of food in communism and everything society needs.

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>>135323491
lol tell that to muh 6 million holodomor victims retard

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>>135321205
Love how capitalists argue with facts and statistics

>>135321978
>>135322059
...and commie tards argue with... well they don't argue they just sort of try to insult their opponents while getting absolutely torn apart

>>135317496
Kill and sage all commies. Every single one of them.

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>>135323699
you don't have to mention it
im a tumbler

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>>135323738
423

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>>135323868
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FAQ for washed liberal-morons, kekistani egdelord teenagers and normal people who simply do not know much about communism:

1. Communism is the USSR.
The USSR is a socialist state, not a communist state.

2.1. Why, then, does the Communists all the time refer to the USSR?
Because the USSR is our historical experience of the practical construction of a communist society. We highlight the positive aspects of the experience of the USSR and study the negative experience. It is also worthwhile to understand that the USSR is for us a certain significant Symbol.

2.2 Communism is a dictatorship
Under communism there are no classes, accordingly there is no dictatorship.

3. What about the dictatorship of the proletariat?
The dictatorship of the proletariat is a temporary form of political power called upon to ensure the observance of the rights of the proletariat during the transition from capitalist society to communism.

4. But Stalin ...
With regard to the period of Stalin's rule, we can identify a lot of positive and negative aspects of his activities. But unfortunately, all-round propaganda has distorted the history of this period too much, therefore, without a comprehensive historical analysis of this period, it is impossible to draw unambiguous conclusions on the basis of ALL declassified documents.

5. And yet Stalin ...
We adequately perceive the figure of Stalin and treat him normally and without hysteria. Nevertheless, Stalin - though significant, but by no means the main figure of the communist movement.

6. What is the main figure, if not Stalin?
Marx

7. Ie you are not Communists, but Marxists?
Communism is part of Marx's teaching. At present, Marx's teaching has evolved into many directions. As for the precise definition, the terms "Communist" and "Marxist" often very much depend on the context.

8. Communism is the antithesis of democracy.
By no means. Communism is just a true democracy.

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>>135319891

Viva la Revolution

9. Under communism - all work in the Gulag for workdays on 24/7.
On the contrary, the Communists set their task to reduce the number of working hours, by increasing the productivity of labor. Ideally, we should work for 4 hours in fully automated production, the remaining time dedicated to self-development, art, hobby.

10. But wait! This is a capitalistic post-industrial one!
You are deeply mistaken my young friend. This is precisely communism. And under capitalism you will not get it. Communism is the highest stage of development of society and economy and if capitalism is similar to what I described above, then it turns into communism.

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>>135323699

>>135324548
everything you said was useless
surplus "theft" has never been proven to exist
theft is also a moral claim. atheists dont get to claim morals

>>135324548
>>135324707
Communism is Jewish.

>>135324907

Wrong, the maxim of a communist society is : "from each according to their ability. To each according to their need'', as you can see, we account for individual differences.

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>>135325123
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>>135324907
in case 60% of this board is full of newfags (it is), please put SAGE (lower case) into the Options textbox. This prevents your posts from "bumping" the thread, and doing so lowers the thread's visability.

Kys

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>>135325333
yeah, good maxim, definitely sounds like it wouldn't be a horrible tragedy of the commons scenario. Good thing your fictional society is actually a post-scarcity economy, which by no means is a priori impossible given that humans will always compete for resources and that there are finite resources and increasing humans

pic related. Thank god we dont have unbridled white-man capitalism!

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>>135317496

I BTFO'd an Irish commie this week. He brought up the US's poverty rate and mentioned something about my people starving and I laughed in his face. "America's poor actually have an obesity problem. That's the difference, communism has regular famines, capitalism has fat poor people".

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>>135325523
Why don't you just go back to cripple chan? Stop raiding our threads.

>>135320853
Jesus Christ you must be fucking retarded to believe that pic

>>135326017
please read the book that I've posted pictures of--Debunking Economics. Supply and Demand are theoretically unsound, especially at the macro level. That being said some of the properties of the supply and demand curves have real world support.

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>>135326323
That is not how real Communism works.

>>135326090
Communism is Jewish and therefore inherently anti-White.

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>>135326090
Why don't you live like a true communist in Cuba and stop using the internet?

The only people who will ever support you in the US in large numbers are college SJWs

>>135317496
What do you mean by "socially owned"?
How exactly is this implemented? The fact of the matter is that society is made up of individuals. The state is made up of individuals. If everything belongs to the state, then it means everything belongs in the hands of the individuals who controls the violence of the state.
The end results of Communism is absolute dictatorships where the most ruthless individual becomes the state. Mao, Kim, Stalin, Fidel, are the results of true communism.

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>>135326541
either you replied to the wrong post or you're even more retarded than your political ideology indicates

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>>135326541
>that infograph

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>>135326815
Theoretically, socially owned means every retard gets to vote on how to use capital. In real life, commies normally have an aithoritarian one-party government, which breeds corruption, as happened in the USSR, India, China and Vietnam (who have both actually become quite capitalist, despite their Marx-inspired government)

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>>135327331
Not true, bribery and corruption are handed are not socially accepted under Communist rule. This are traits that are only found in capitalist societies.

Newfag guide to communism:

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>>135327678

>>135327782
Not true, bribery and corruption are handed are not socially accepted under Capitalist rule. This are traits that are only found in societies trying to right an unproven concept called surplus "theft"

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>>135327782
>Not true, bribery and corruption are handed are not socially accepted under Communist rule.
Yeah that's not the historical record idiot.

>This are traits that are only found in capitalist societies.
Okay, wzll why don't we compare a world map colored by prevalence of corruption, and compare it to a map colored by economic freedom? I wonder which countries are the most corrupt.

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"hurr durr gapitalizm evillz they brinz wazh you hurr durr"
saged

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>>135328279
hmmmmmmmm

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>>135327782
>>135328279
really makes u think...

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This is now a repilling thread post only repills

>>135317496
hello retards this is just my chance to tell you america is the best and you commie cocksuckers can suck on 100 hundred dicks

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>>135327860
>know the true evil of capitalism!
>capitalism invented germs and exterminated the oppressed native Americans
>capitalism is why countries invade other countries and is responsible for all the war deaths!
>capitalism is responsible for all civil wars!
>capitalism did 9/11!
top kek you sure showed me the evils of capitalism

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>>135329379
higher resolution (i hope)

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Friendly reminder to lolbergtardians and anclaps

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jews are totaly innocen-

>>135329692
>libertarian socialism
nothing to do with modern libertarians
>muh ayn rand muh rothbard
those are ancaps. Libertarians are statists.

>friendly reminder to nazifags
You're advocating shit that will never happen. At least in the US there is a history of Libertarian policy.

Also muh open borders aren't libertarian. See http://www.isidewith.com/poll/384434732# and filter by party. Only 4% of libertarians are for open borders

>>135329692
>>135329744
>>135330349
>nazi
lmao just realized you're not a Nazi, you're a communist LARPing as an Asserist to make communism look "cool" and "right wing". See >>135321344 , kike

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>>135330349
Ahaha, caught in you own lies.

>>135331230
that's really funny coming from mr. "communism isn't corrupt! the USSR, China and North Korea aren't even a little bit corrupt! only capitalists are corrupt!" himself

reminder that you got BTFO here: >>135328681
and didn't reply.

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lmao good invasion thread, commies. I'm sure you really won over some lurkers with your convincing arguments and evidence! Good job, really.

>>135326122
elaborate

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>>135333127
you are pic related.

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Communism doesn't work, its been tried.

Give it up

>>135335651
This. Its been tried Over and Over and Over and failed each time. How dumb do you have to be to still believe in it.

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>>135335828
Capitalism does not work.
It has been tried.

>>135336450
It does work, people live decent lives under it. Under communism you starve and get gulaged.

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>>135336072
" Lastly, only communism makes the state absolutely unnecessary, for there is nobody to be suppressed--“nobody” in the sense of a class, of a systematic struggle against a definite section of the population. We are not utopians, and do not in the least deny the possibility and inevitability of excesses on the part of individual persons, or the need to stop such excesses. In the first place, however, no special machine, no special apparatus of suppression, is needed for this: this will be done by the armed people themselves, as simply and as readily as any crowd of civilized people, even in modern society, interferes to put a stop to a scuffle or to prevent a woman from being assaulted. And, secondly, we know that the fundamental social cause of excesses, which consist in the violation of the rules of social intercourse, is the exploitation of the people, their want and their poverty. With the removal of this chief cause, excesses will inevitably begin to "wither away". We do not know how quickly and in what succession, but we do know they will wither away. With their withering away the state will also wither away.

Without building utopias, Marx defined more fully what can be defined now regarding this future, namely, the differences between the lower and higher phases (levels, stages) of communist society."-Lenin

>>135336550
Who starved?

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>>135326541
>That is not how real Communism works.
>real Communism

>>135326541
b-but all those times we tried didn't count!

grow up

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>>135337042
Jesus, you guys suck dick at being funny.

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>>135337042

>>135337257
>>135337183
Lol it's YOU faggots who are fucking lefties. (((Hitler))) made a fucking pagan fuck his right hand man and came to power on backs of literal sodomites like rohm.

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>>135317496

>>135337514
>t. leftypol

>>135329692
>Libertarian Socialism

How retarded are you?

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>>135337304
"We Communists have been reproached with the desire of abolishing the right of personally acquiring property as the fruit of a man’s own labour, which property is alleged to be the groundwork of all personal freedom, activity and independence.

Hard-won, self-acquired, self-earned property! Do you mean the property of petty artisan and of the small peasant, a form of property that preceded the bourgeois form? There is no need to abolish that; the development of industry has to a great extent already destroyed it, and is still destroying it daily.

Or do you mean the modern bourgeois private property?

But does wage-labour create any property for the labourer? Not a bit. It creates capital, i.e., that kind of property which exploits wage-labour, and which cannot increase except upon condition of begetting a new supply of wage-labour for fresh exploitation. Property, in its present form, is based on the antagonism of capital and wage labour."-Marx&Engels

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>>135317496
These retards are here everyday.

At this point its either bate or you seriously have a mental disability.

There are no communist, no one is actually that dumb. We are being trolled

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>>135337514
Nigger, I didn't even defend Hitler, pagans, nor the Third Reich. I just said you aren't funny, because you aren't. Your idea of comedy is on par with every third-tier comedian out there. That shit is boring and brainless. Your shit drawing is clearly indicative of that. It looks like something a 9 year old trying to be funny would draw, both in terms of content and in visual artistic ability.

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>>135317496

RACE>CULTURE>POLTICS

The world around us is an expression of human psychology and biology.

War is a macro-cosmic expression of the innate violence within the individual. War is natural, and leads to social change, there is a game and it is dependent on the players (or puzzle pieces).

Until humans change, communism (and anarchy) will only ever be degenerate siren calls to a weakened society that will be pounced upon by someone who sees the
consolidation of power (communism) or vacuum of power (anarchy) as an opportunity.

Every biological expression of life and societal institution is an expression of the innate laws of our existence.

Until the human condition evolves (assuming it's even possible, or has happened at all so far), we are nowhere near ready for something like communism.

Communism is a siren call of degeneracy for the weak who see it as something other than bringing everyone down to the same unproductive level in the absence of incentives.

Studies have shown that people who are less able to provide for themselves deem it fair that others should provide for them. How convenient!

Anyone seriously calling themselves a 'comrade' is appealing to a desire to be protected by a big brother. A community of retards.

>>135337988
They are baiting, there is literally no other explaination why people would support something that would have them starve and killed.

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SAGE!!!!!

>>135338191
I hate this hypocrasy, why is the swastika taboo when the commie flag isn't.

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Juche will prevail.

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>>135317496
Any comrades read this book? This book completely BTFO of capitalism. Things that I never saw or noticed came to light. This is the true redpill, once you take this there is no coming back.

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You desperately need to clean your room.

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>>135338598

Come here tough guy

>>135338598
keep up the good work

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>>135338751
You come here tough guy

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Which one of you is this?

>>135339022

>commie machine gun

>>135339241
Reds deserve beatings

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>>135339241
>commie machine gun is a rip off of German machine gun

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Capitalists will defend this.

>>135339442
I wonder if giving away everyone's money to the poor crackheads will solve these issues

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>>135339380
>Mechanically very different

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>>135339241
its actually a simplified version of a german design.
and its not a machine gun, its a rifle.

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Staff Sergeant Kurt Hummel, Military Post Number L 31 605 Lg Pa. Paris, to his local group

Northern Russia, 12 August 1941

Bolshevist conditions are indescribable. I had never imagined that such misery was possible. People here know nothing about electric lights, radio, newspapers and the like. One can't call what they live in houses. There are only shanties with rotten straw roofs. Huge neglected fields lay around. We haven't yet found even a small shop. This is what people call the Soviet paradise. I wish the few outsiders who still remain in Germany could be shipped here. There is misery wherever one looks. One has to see it to realize how beautiful Germany is.

Reminder communism died out over a quarter century ago and these larpers are still hoping it will come back

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>>135339581
>Money in a communist society
Surely you jest comrade

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Medical corporal Paul Lenz, Military Post Number 7 14 628 Posen, to the local group of the NSDAP, Arneburg:

Only a Jew can be a Bolshevist; for these bloodsuckers there is nothing better to be, for there is then nothing to stop them. Wherever one spits there is a Jew, whether in a city or a village. As far as I know (we asked the people, wanting to know the truth) not a single Jew every worked in the workers' paradise. Even the littlest bloodsucker had a post with big privileges. He lived in the best buildings, if one can call them buildings. The real workers lived in small buildings, or better, in animal stalls, just like day laborers in old Russia. It makes no difference whether one is in a village or in a city like Minsk with over 300,000 inhabitants, the stalls are everywhere. Even before the war, most workers knew nothing but hunger, misery and slavery. Some may be interested to know that there were theaters, operas, etc., even big buildings for them, but only those with money got in, and they were the blood suckers and their lackeys.

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Soldier Walter Sperath writes to the [NSDAP] county office Hamburg 6

Everything I have seen of the so-called workers' paradise is everything but lovely. One should send every citizen who even slightly criticizes our efforts here. He would thank the Führer and the movement that these conditions are not found in our Fatherland. Animals by us live in better conditions than the people here. Our successes so far have been great, and we will not stop until we have rooted out this evil root and branch, which will be a blessing for European culture and humanity.

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>>135339758
Oh it will, it's inevitable just like Sargon said

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Flyer W. M., Res.-Lazarett Salzlwedel to his Cell Leader Schroeder

I have seen the "wonderful workers' paradise" in the Soviet Union with all its terrible misery, and wish that those who thought differently could spend a few weeks here to see and experience what we have. The misery and horror of Bolshevism is terrible.

I hope that volunteering for our proud army may atone for my earlier sins, and that when I am back home, you, dear party member, will accept me as an honest person. In that hope, I send you my warmest greetings.

Heil Hitler!

signed W. M.

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>>135339819
>inb4 not muh real communism

>>135339969
How many communist revolutions have broken out since communism collapsed on its own ass again?

>>135340040
>I can't argue without using ad hominems

typical retarded commies

>>135339241
Che liked the M1 carbine, what's your point? What works, works.

>>135339819
hope he got expelled for that

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Corporal Otto Kien, Military Post Number 18, 756, to the Factory Leadership t the Conrad Scholtz Factory. Barmbeck

Russia, 8 August 1941

Anyone who earlier had different opinions of the Soviet Union is quickly cured of them here. The poverty is terrible. Not even the farmers have anything to eat. They beg from us. There are lice and filth everywhere. One has to be careful one doesn't get them from the inhabitants.

These people don't know anything else. They sit in their huts and remove lice from each other. They don't mind if anyone watches. I've had my fill of this workers' paradise. We'll be glad to be out of here. In the past we saw pictures of malnourished children. They were not exaggerated. One can't believe it if one hasn't been here.

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>>135317496

FUCK OFF COMMIE AND TAKE YOUR FAKE UTOPIAN DREAMS WITH YOU

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Corporal J. F., Military Post Number 26,280 to his Local Group

In the Field, 3.8.41

What we have seen of the so-called Soviet paradise is worse than we ever imagined. Anyone back home who still has any doubts should come here. All his doubts will disappear. Everywhere we go, the people are happy to be freed from Bolshevism, and looks to the future with confidence. We soldiers can say to those back home that he [Hitler] saved Germany and all of Europe from the Red Army. The battle is hard, but we know what we are fighting for, and, confident of the Führer, we will win. In the hopes of a victorious return,

Heil Hitler
Corporal J. F.

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Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.

Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.

Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:

>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liguidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
https://www.gommies.gom/fug/
https://www.gommies.gom/starve/

GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohfugme/

It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.

Resources:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohshid/
https://www.gommies.gom/1984/
https://www.gommies.gom/guck/
https://www.gommies.gom/probaganda/
https://www.gommies.gom/XDDDD/
https://www.gommies.gom/wheresfood/
https://www.gommies.gom/benis/

-----------------------------------------
Da sdages of gommunism.

>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.

>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.

>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis

>Sdage for
Not real gommunism. Move on do nexd coundry XDDdDDD

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>>135339819
Just fuck money n shit amiright

>>135340484
not an argument

One word: Human Nature

There is a reason Communism never worked. People like owning stuff and competition. How would you like it if some brown guy came into your publically owned house and slept on your bed and used your tooth brush and can rightfull kick you out because "lel no property"

>>135340707

Personal property exists in communism.

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>>135340372
Nazis had what was coming to them

>We are going to wipe out half of Europe from "untermenschen"
>"Untermenschen" proceed to push the Nazis all the way back to Berlinsk
>Hitler retracts his statements saying the Reds are the real ubermensch and they were the untermensch all along

>>135340484
>under capitalism
lel

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>>135340707
See
>>135340812
Private property =/= personal property
We aren't going to confiscate your toothbrushes

Also
>Human Nature

>>135340812
No it doesn't you retard. Do I have to teach you about the ideology you are larping as?

There is no property in communism

>>135318162
kek

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>>135340824
>commies actually believe this

>>135340950
>we will just murder everyone who disagrees

this is why commies are lower than roaches

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>>135340824
victims of german firepower.

>>135341122
If the commies in this thread care so much why don't they stop leaching off capistism and start building these homes for themselves

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>>135340988
see
>>135326541
Or watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eknoQYrgq60
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3gl-jXQYKc

>>135340950
Sad part is, I've seen vids of other commies saying that in the ideal communist world everything would just be borrowed. Housing, vehicles, all of it lmao. So you're too disorganized to have even a general understanding of your own ideology that all supporters understand.

>>135341243
>b-but that wasn't real communism, this is real communism this time I swear! guys?

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>>135341175
Result of the Great Patriotic War

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>>135341519
:^)

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>>135341587
:^)

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>>135341519
NOOO FUCKING WAY YOU DEFEND THAT!?!?!?!?! good lord, just kill yourself you fucking idiot.

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>>135342031
:^)

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>>135317496

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>>135340256
>. "Not even the farmers have anything to eat. They beg from us."

Yeah because you drove your tanks through their fields. Jackass!

>>135342274
>Probably can't even define who is a communist or what communism is

>>135342158
Delete this

>>135342053
Millions of Soviet lives perished trying to defend the motherland. It was a terrible war. I will concede to you that Stalin was paranoid and where the cult of personality helped in some areas, it hurt other areas. He purged many officers and generals before the war and refused to follow Soviet intelligence that the Nazis would launch a surprise attack. The bravery and will to fight exhibited by the Red Army during the Great Patriotic War was unmatched.

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>>135342504
>8 August 1941
The war started in late June. If they had food to begin with they would still have it then, even if all their fields were destroyed.

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>>135326541
>That is not how real Communism works.
Holy shit m8, thanks for the keks.

>>135343126
>The war started in late June. If they had food to begin with they would still have it then, even if all their fields were destroyed.
Who cares about hohols?

>>135344382
>Who cares about hohols?
The soviet leaders certainly didn't.

>>135344635
>The soviet leaders certainly didn't.
Cry me a river

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>>135344692
If you just want to shit on the poor, why didn't you stay capitalist?

>>135344857
>If you just want to shit on the poor, why didn't you stay capitalist?
I'm shitting on traitors who joined the Waffen SS to fight against their motherland.

Maybe you have big feels for traitors, I don't.

>>135345121
Those starving peasants didn't join the Waffen SS.

>>135345324
>Those starving peasants didn't join the Waffen SS.
Because they starved to death

>>135342906
the soviet soldiers that gave their lives would ether die from german guns, or soviet guns, its that simple.

>>135345938
>either
PLEASE DONT MAKE FUN OF MY SPELLING ERROR I BEG YOU.

Communism inheretly ends up having dictators for leaders. Literally have to be dumb to believe in it

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hmmmmmmm

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Wow it's almost like Communists have been studying shill tactics and know to stop replying in arguments they can't win...

>>135331563
>>135331018
>>135328681
>>135327845

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>>135324548
1: it's not communism
2: it's communism

>>135345938
>the soviet soldiers that gave their lives would ether die from german guns, or soviet guns, its that simple.
Unsure if you mean executions or friendly fire.

But what's wrong with executing traitors?

About 20% of all casualties in every war are friendly fire incidents. During the first gulf war 24% of all casualties were incidents of friendly fire.

>>135346240
>Communism inheretly ends up having dictators for leaders.
Depends on your definition of Communism, some people believe that a communist society can only exist if there is no government/political leadership.

But aside from that what's wrong with dictators?

Would you rather be governed by a Trump as a dictator or a Clinton clique oligarchy which pretends to be democratic?

>>135345938
USSR had the manpower, logistical, technology, land, and production advantage. Wehrmacht had better organization and leadership, also good technology, and had the attacking first advantage. The Soviets had the all the potential to do work but suffered from poor leadership unfortunately which essentially threw the other advantages away. Everything else was there.
>or soviet guns, its that simple.
>Taking propaganda from a hollywood film as historical truth

>>135347160
When I say China is Communist people sperg out and say
>IT'S NOT COMMUNIST REEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!

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>>135347174
>What's wrong with dictators?
top fucking kek. You haven't learned even the most obvious lesson of world history (especially that of communism): power corrupts.

>>135347357
china is communist

>>135347357
>>135347612
well while it does have a communist government, the economy is functionally a corrupt capitalism, somewhat like Vietnam

>>135347544
>You haven't learned even the most obvious lesson of world history (especially that of communism): power corrupts.
Pretty sure "democracy" corrupts as well. Look at the Democratic Party

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>>135347846
democracy is shit. It's still better than communism.

>The best system I can think of is a constitutional republic with extremely strong restrictions and exact definitions for the activities of government, much like the Articles of Confederation, but with stricter requirements for secession, and a heavily restricted centralized authority for trade.

>>135347612
See >>135347685 predicting kids like that is actually really easy, much easier than devising a five year plan to advance society.

>>135348161
>democracy is shit.
I thought dictatorships were the worst? If you hate democracies and dictatorships what kind of government do you want?

>>135347198
>Wehrmacht had better organization and leadership, also good technology

>The Soviets had the all the potential to do work but suffered from poor leadership unfortunately

i wonder why........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................

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>>135348161
Lol

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>>135317496

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>>135348311
>democracy is shit.
>like a braindead fucktard the commie assumes the worse interpretation of the phrase

democracy is shit but it is far better than the bullshit you are peddling

>>135347160

in construction and constructed are different things

>>135348655
>democracy is shit but it is far better than the bullshit you are peddling
I'm pretty sure the only thing I've said about Communism so far is there are many different opinions on what exactly it is or isn't.

For me Communism conceptually is you should gives as much as you can and take as much as you need.

Also Stalin was pretty based.

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Communist memes are such shit
Literally "no u!" tier edits of anti-communism memes

You people are so fucking worthless and uninnovated.

>>135349397
i can only give a little bit and i need all of it.

what do faggot?

>>135348655

Is not even democracy it is the bourgeois democracy: the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie

>>135349743
>i can only give a little bit and i need all of it.
>what do faggot?
Feel bad about being a worthless human being

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>>135350026
sounds pretty rad with the right guy

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>>135350114
nope

>>135317496
>Promoting socialism on /pol/
Don't

>>135350333
If you take everything your community produces and give your community nothing, your community will disappear and as you need more than you can produce to maintain yourself, your fate will be the same as that of your community.

Your existence is a negative to your community, if you live like that you are a leech and a parasite.

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>>135350572
>Promoting socialism on /pol/
>communism general

i guess its not a real communism thread eh?

>>135350668
so what is the incentive to work eh?

>>135325123
>Atheists don't get to claim morals
Yeah cause we see so many atheists left and right murdering and raping people.
Stick to communism that's easier to process for you

>>135350899
>so what is the incentive to work eh?
Personal fulfillment or the understanding that the work needs to be down

>>135350668
Coming from a person that endorses that very action.

>>135351248
>Coming from a person that endorses that very action.
If you thank what I wrote their was an endorsement of parasitic behavior idk, can't help you.

>>135351109
then i will become self sufficient and sell my labour to the commune at a price

i demand compensation and a high standard of living for my services.

>>135348166
do you deny that their economy is functionally very capitalist?

>>135348356
>>135348311
good reading comprehension

>>135350899
How the USSR had 100% employment. If you don't work you don't get your needs. Early communism will use labor vouchers to allocate luxuries. Work harder, get more vouchers. This will be phased out.

>>135351487
You will never be paid the value of your labor, you will get less and the difference between the value of your labor and what you are paid is the profit of the capitalist.

As long as you are dependent on labor for your income you will never be able to a high standard of living. The only way to reach a high standard of living in a capitalist system is to profit off of the labor of others.

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>>135352207
i thought USSR was not real communism.
now it is an ideal society?

>>135352103
>do you deny that their economy is functionally very capitalist? See >>135348166

>good reading comprehension
Ok thought you meant to say you disliked/hated democracies when you said they were shit, that's why I asked you what your preferred system is. Sorry that confused you.

>>135352450
USSR was communism. The means of production was publicly owned.

>Ok thought you meant to say you disliked/hated democracies when you said they were shit
I do. Modern Greece is a good example of a democracy.

>>135352639
USSR was a socialist state. Communism is a "stage" of society that is a priori impossible

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>>135352253
nothing stopping me or you from starting a business and becoming a capitalist.

and that is the deal
>work in factory with no risk attached while being paid a steady wage
>own factory with all the risks included and making more than my workers only to reinvest into the factory so it can continue running

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>>135335890
Communism hasn't happened yet.

Marxists don't expect it to happen soon.

>Communism
>Socialism
not the same thing

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>>135352639
so communism does kill tens of millions of its own people

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COMMIES GET OUT REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
EVERYONE KNOWS COMMUNISM IS MAINSTREAM MEDIA PROPAGANDA YOU FUCKING NORMIES
GET THE FUCK OUT
RRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>135352253
>As long as you are dependent on labor for your income you will never be able to a high standard of living.
So, 56% of Americans will get into the top 10% of earners in their lifetimes. Does that mean more than half of everyone "exploits" workers?

>The only way to reach a high standard of living in a capitalist system is to profit off of the labor of others.
that's quite incorrect. The LTV is bullshit. Labor isn't the only source of surplus--machines, (even artificially induced) demand, animals, plants, the sun, and subjective opinion all play into demand. Marxist "economics" is bullshit.

>>135352957
>nothing stopping me or you from starting a business and becoming a capitalist.
>own factory with all the risks included and making more than my workers
You'll need to borrow money to open up a factory unless you have 100-250Mio$.

The factory owner thinks he is a capitalist but actually the bank lending him the money is the capitalist.

He's working for the bank.

>>135352253
>a high standard of living in a capitalist system in a capitalist system
>implying anyone other than bureaucrats and top-brass partisans have had an objectively high standard of living under communism
lmao. All the richest countries are capitalist. How can you possibly believe that

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>>135353348
yeah well maybe that's because "communism" is a priori impossible because 1) an authoritarian state (most effectively as a 1 world government) is ALWAYS needed to squash any would-be "capitalists", and 2) because post-scarcity is impossible because humans will always compete for our scarce resources.

>>135353850
unless there is interest on the loans i don't see a problem with that.

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>>135317496
Look the lefty pol, It degrades

in USA the femminist Or other scum

In russia these are religious fanatics
"Communist" like Gennady Zyuganov

But I hope that there are adequate commie

>>135353586
>So, 56% of Americans will get into the top 10% of earners in their lifetimes.
only .1% matter.

>Does that mean more than half of everyone "exploits" workers?
Nope it means absolutely nothing, because the bottom 99% are poor.

>Labor isn't the only source of surplus--machines, (even artificially induced) demand, animals, plants, the sun, and subjective opinion all play into demand.
That is literally what The Capital from Marx is about, it's about how labor becomes more productive over time due to innovations, and ultimately that surplus value gets distributed between labor and capital.

Marx predicted that labor would increasingly get less of the share as capitalists would increasingly get more of the surplus value.

>Marxist "economics" is bullshit.
Marx was stronger on his critique than on his solution.

>>135353850
lmao commies don't understand basic finance. Just because you're paying off a loan to someone doesn't nearly mean you are "working" for them.

>>135354189
Guess what? Money doesn't grow on trees, it's a limited resource just like almost everything else. Interest SHOULD be charged, because money is more valuable now than it is in the future--there has to be a price for money to funnel money to the most productive projects.

That being said, I would be in favor of an interest rate restriction--say, a maximum of 6% (although much more research is needed to optimize this number) per year, to prevent money from going to idiots.

>>135354708
>only .1% matter.
apparently not. no one has a bigger case of jew denial than commies. have you seen the pig memes?

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>>135317496
Trotsky or Stalin, guys?

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>>135352253

I'm fairly certain that I'm paid more than the value of my labor. Every time layoffs come around I think "this is it, my boss is finally going to fail to convince his bosses our unit does anything useful (we don't)" and then that crazy bastard pulls it off for another year. Until the cold, hard hand of the market catches up with me though, my effort-to-pay ratio is amazing. Literally building a side business while being paid to do work for another company.
>>135352207
>How the USSR had 100% employment

Massive prison system and a criminal code that allows jailing of anyone for anything?

>>135353857
>implying anyone other than bureaucrats and top-brass partisans have had an objectively high standard of living under communism
The functionaries in Russia had a shitty standard of living compared to the high standard of living some people in capitalist societies enjoy.

The problem with the high standard of living in capitalist systems is that it is only attainable via exploiting the labor of others.

>>135317496
fuck off low test skinny bitch
die in a fire worthless faggot

>>135354708
>only .1% matter.
perhaps for certain financial and political decisions, sure. That doesn't mean they're the only rich people.
>Nope it means absolutely nothing, because the bottom 99% are poor.
You're telling me that $340,000 a year is poor? What country are you from? Do you live in the suburbs of San Diego where property prices are in the millions or something? You're delusional. We live in an era of unimaginable wealth compared to almost every time in history, ESPECIALLY compared to communist and socialist countries.

>Marx was stronger on his critique than on his solution.
His entire methodology is practically that of a religious apologist.

>Marx predicted that labor would increasingly get less of the share as capitalists would increasingly get more of the surplus value.
Sraffa debunks this pretty thoroughly.

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>>135355327

What a mean thing to say comrade, why would you do that?

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>>135355255
>it is only attainable via exploiting the labor of others.
You're never going to convert anyone to your stupid religion if you keep relying on the belief that it's somehow morally wrong for "porky" to enter into a mutually beneficial relationship with his employees.

I would rather be "exploited" and "exploit" the labor of workers and be rich than live in a commune and be dirt poor.

>>135355438
pic related

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>>135355116
Stalin

>>135355459
Saved

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>>135355063
>only .1% matter.
Only .1% matter to Capital, bottom 99% have no significant capital. The Top 1% has some capital, but only 0.1% have relevant amounts of capital.

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>>135355860
>Top .1% worth as much as the bottom 90%
It was worse than I thought

>>135355860
>muh relevancy
who gives a shit. I just want to be rich, which the US is. The white median net worth is over $143k, which is indeed reasonably rich, and certainly much higher than the wealth of the vast majority of the world's population.

>>135355725
>I would rather be "exploited" and "exploit" the labor of workers and be rich than live in a commune and be dirt poor.
You are dirt poor, you just think you aren't. But that's mostly because you don't understand what rich is.

Rich is 100 mio-250+mio$
>>135355438
>You're telling me that $340,000 a year is poor?
Middle class

>>135356395
HAHAHAHAHAH answer my question. Do you live in a little millionaire bubble? You are an elite champaign socialist idiot if you consider 340k a year middle class.

Anyway, even with your ridiculous definitions of wealth, capitalism is still much better performing than socialism/Marxism. Look at >>135321287

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>>135356395
>340k a year is middle class
honestly some of you commies are so out of touch with reality. I'm going to start posting caps of other retards so that maybe you can understand how idiotic you look.

>>135356663
>Do you live in a little millionaire bubble?
Biggest bubble in the world. It'll keep growing thought, gentrification is a real problem here.

>You are an elite champaign socialist idiot if you consider 340k a year middle class.
When you are middle class the government cares about your feels, when you are rich government sucks your dick and when you are poor government shits on you.

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>>135357026
ok well that's a very unorthodox way to describe rich and poor. By that definition Dave (from the Republic of Dave) is rich.

well thanks for explaining your retarded opinion, now I can discard it knowing there was nothing of value there.

>>135357026
So what the fuck are you?

>>135356881
>honestly some of you commies are so out of touch with reality.
I understand why you think 340k is a lot. But you can't buy a blowjob from a politician with that kind of money and as long as the politician isn't giving you head you aren't rich.

>>135317496
Communism was the last stage of humanity, evolve kid.