Lets have a meaningful conversation.

you sound pretty optimistic except for the bit at the beginning where you say the world is fucked. which bits do you think are fucked?

>>135284401
I should also add that big cities force people to interact with one another. Forced interaction will bring the general population in that area a better understanding of what they interact with, in this case humans. Humans adapt to their environment because they want to fit in. Its very easy to fit in, when the whole general population in your area has the same political mind set as you, this happens quite often in urban/suburban areas. There is no reason to change your mind so why should you? I call this ignorance on the basis that you do not even realize your own ignorance. I mean that I no disrespectful way.

>>135284972
That was my opening liner and I do think it was a bit over-exaturated. In a sense the world is always fucked. In this case, with our current political and social discourse amongst civilians, I do think we have a relatively large issue on hand.

>>135285347
oh
what's the large issue?

>>135284401
wholesome post. this is good. we need more of this.

>>135284972
Specifically though.

1. Healthcare: I think that Health care is huge and should be easily accessible by anyone in the United States. It doesn't matter if you are 50, homeless and dying, you deserve the right to affordable health care because you are human. Many people would argue that they don't work and don't deserve it, but what about all the people that don't work, don't deserve anything, yet still flourish financially at a scale that 99% of the U.S. will never be able to reach. Do they deserve health care anymore than that man?

2. General stress caused by the huge slit between opposing views. All this drama about Trump, (whether good or bad in your eyes) does cause a considerable amount of stress and burdens people in one way or another.

3. Drugs: Drugs are substances just like food, except they react chemically in a way that alters, amongst other things, your conscious state of mind. Some are good for you regardless of their psychoactive effects, others are plain bad for you (such as Heroine). Drugs are not meant for everyone and everyone should not feel inclined to do them. It is the individuals responsibility to make that decision. It is the governments responsibility to inform us what that substance can/may do.

>>135286279
also these are just random things that popped into my head. I have many more things I'd like to talk about, but not spend years typing. If something more important comes up, I will post it.

>>135286279
well fuck. i basically agree with all of this. especially healthcare.
sorry i can't be more interesting conversation :\

4. National policy: I think our National leverage has reduced greatly simply because very few leaders in the "Free World" still support Trump and his administration. If we lose all of our friends, then how are we able to hold are ground when shit hits the fan.

Apart from exclusively examining your life and what is a direct factor to it, you should also look at the bigger picture and understand why certain policies may be useful to the country and its security, while at the same time, not being a benefit to you as an individual

>>135284401
Thoughtful post, OP. Unfortunately in this day in age, we are living under the false guise of happiness. People ae told what they need to be happy, what they have to do in order to be successful. This is the exact opposite of what the framers wanted for this country. Government has gotten it's grip on its people and not letting go. It now relies on us to keep it afloat, and takes not what it needs, but what it wants.
The way you frame healthcare is ideal. Did you know that if you get hurt and go to the hospital, a doctor cannot refuse you care? By law, they must help. However. Relying on a peer based healthcare system in a country that prides itself in independence is a bad idea. That's why the Obama are mandate is failing.
Your national policy is a little odd to me. Imo, since trump was elected nationalism has risen as an acceptable health level. In order for ones nation to succeed, you have to love it.

5. I think taxes should be increased for wealthier families, BUT ONLY IF U.S. citizens see a direct implementation of social services which benefits the majority of the United States (that includes wealthy families as well). It is very true that large portions of our taxes are being washed away irresponsibly, so simply raising taxes would be a difficult way to prove that it does/may help.

>>135287808
I disagree, i am Happy. Not because someone tells me to, but I really am.

If you met me you would consider me a unique individual. I stopped college because I saw what a waste of time it was. So now I study on my own. I worked for the largest company in America for a time, and was an accountant afterwards for a few months. I realized that I hated this job because I wasn't doing what I as a Human being wanted to do.
So I started a business, then another, then another, I work together with my dad now and I am Happy where I am now.

>>135287960
Government handouts never help societies. It may stop the bleeding for a while, but it will leave a giant hole. Giving people incentive to share/donate is the way to go. Having the government say "you make too much money" never works.

>>135287808
Loving a Nation is Step #1 for sure, but from my experience, I don't think people love this country anymore. They love themselves and their views more than anything.

>>135288272
You're an exception, obviously. If you were anything other, you wouldn't be able to have a conversation like this. You are truly a free thinker and belong to this great experiment we call America.

>>135288488
They're taught that this country oppressed the world. The educational system in this country is messed up too. Teachers unions control everything when it comes to the classroom.
Unions in general, imo are bad as well. At least with the power they currently have.

>>135288284
Germany (my very biased opinion, because I was born there) is a perfect example of how socialistic policies work well. If you have ever been there, you will feel amazed at how technologically advanced everything seems, everyone there seems healthier and driven.

I want to puke in your mouth and throat fuck it.

>>135288737
Socialized yes, free, no. In Germany do you have the right to bear arms to protect you and yours? Nope.
Do you have a constitutional right to free speech in germany? No.
Tech wise, yes they are at the top of the game, but only because of the combination of resources they sit on, the end of ww2, and the creation of the EU. I'm not trying to shit on germany, but there are major differences between the two countries.

Happiness is relative though. A poor person might be happy with one meal a day, where as a rich person will be happy when they own a yacht.

>>135288489
I don't like to think of myself as an exception, because I know there are thousands of people with similar thoughts.

>>135289233
Exception meaning that you are able to think freely around all the media outlets trying to literally brainwash you. Ad companies force feeding you information to condition you in the way you think.

>>135288679
I agree, the school system is no good if you want to really be yourself. Our current school system sucks because it focuses on achievement rather than the learning experience. What am I to do with %100 on a math test in my life. I don't even remember the fucking questions on the sheet of paper afterwards.

My ideal school would focus on project implementation and hands on experience. If a kid fails constantly, that means he's not in the right state of mind to focus on it. This does not mean he is a failure, it means he's much better at something else that we do not know of yet.

All men are created equal, but that's just where they start.
Life happens, and some rise above others.

>>135284401
All men are not created equal.
The USA was *not* founded to house a variety of cultures, that image of the USA only became popular after Jews pushed it.

No one says every person in X group is bad. However, we can say that X group is bad. If we can avoid X group, we should.

I want the best for people, I want the best for my country. This is not possible without discrimination. Our country will on the whole be better by removing groups that have a much higher propensity towards problematic and harmful actions. Yes, there is always the individual exception. Policy should not be created around unicorns, but what is the most effective.

Not having certain people live in our country doesn't mean they can't live elsewhere.

>>135284972
Can you honestly look at the events happening around the world and think things are as they should be? We are heading towards something huge happening. Whether it's good or bad, something big is around the corner.

>>135286279
I don't believe (all) people have a right to health care because health care requires the skill, time, and effort of others. Why does the rapist deserve this? Why does the person who ate themselves to death *deserve* this?

>>135289579
Trade schools are needed more than ever. Kids don't realize how much cheaper it is to go to a trade school, pick up a trade, (carpentry, electrician, plumber) and after a few years of apprenticeship, they'd be earning more than most college grads.

>>135289706
It's a shame that thinking this way gives you the racist stamp. It's literally how every great nation worked in the history of civilization

>>135289635
I agree whole heartedly. Life is as it is, and some people do take advantage. My point although is that we do have rules and regulations that we accept for the most part. I'm trying to conceptualize ways that would benefit everyone for the most part.

The fact is we do live together, all 7-8 billion of us. Whether we see ourselves as capable beings or not, we should certainly push for a mutual agreement that suites the majority.

I also realize that culture, religion, and geo graphic location, amongst other things, are huge influencers to how a person will act towards other people.

>>135289929
I mean if you have a criminal record, I'm sure that would play against you in some way.

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>>135284401

Identity Politics didn't come from "French Marxists" - that's just right wing propaganda. It came from South Carolina and specifically a Black Lesbian Feminist named Barbara Smith and her project; The Combahee River Collective... a collective that had nothing to do with The Frankfurt School or "Cultural Marxism".

Cultural Marxism was The Frankfurt School's critique of The Culture Industry. It was an anti-propaganda effort; calling out mass media manipulations of culture for profit (they were basically anti-clickbait, and anti-corporate PR)... and no, The Frankfurt School weren't trying to take over or destroy western civilization by critiquing The Culture Industry's control of Culture; they'd already seen the rise of Hitler and the destruction that followed. They didn't want to see anything like that happen again.

In the 1930s, 40s and 50s, it wasn't "politically correct" for women to wear pants or vote. Does that mean they were under a politically correct regime of Cultural Marxism back then? No. It just means society's values change over time - which is to be expected.

>>135289706
all men are created equal for the most part. The difference is where some of us end up. When I say created equal, at a physical level, humans are the same.

That being said, I understand that someone who is homeless and someone who is a billionaire, both have the same necessities for life. My point is that people forget what they really are once they lose themselves to things like money and power.

>>135289770
Geologists and Archaeologists are already debating establishment of a new geologic period, called the "Anthropocene"
It's supposed to start in the 1940s.
The previous period, the Holocene, started 11,000 years ago with the rise of agriculture.
And the period before that, the Pleistocene lasted over 2,5 million years.

You take a look at the acceleration and that gives an indication of the fate towards which we're heading.
I mean, one shudders to think when the next geologic period will start.

>>135290787
that is not to say I don't like money and power :)

>>135290376
Its impssible to unite the whole planet into one society. Not only culture and religion are boundaries. Nationalism is a major issue that humanity will have to deal with down the road. Eventually we will reach a point, probably after a world war, where a single nation Wil gain control of the entire planet. Even after that, it would probably take generations to homogenize the he whole world.

>>135285040
The goal of life shouldn't be "be exposed to so many different modes and methods of living that you are constantly reevaluating your view," it should be live in harmony with your people and your lineage.
As such I advocate for people to get out of the cities and homestead with a small community.
You over-evaluate "other views." Who cares, honestly? There's a lot of "views" out there. What's given to me was Christianity, and I can see that liven well it can provide a nice life. It's not wrong to want to be among people whom share these views, as I would be remiss to mash Muslims and Sikhs together so they can "just learn from each other man."

>>135291081
Oh no, I do not assume that thats even remotely possible, because its not. Countries exist for a very obvious reason, people have differences and hate each other, its in our nature. Im thinking on a more metaphysical level when I talk about human beings as a whole.

>>135290537
> No. It just means society's values change over time - which is to be expected.

Don't peddle this bullshit. How you can you say that cultural features (like "values") exist or come to be naturally right after saying that culture is an "industry", an artificial construct. They who are in charge know this fact (that culture is manufactured) and they're just producing what they believe will steer society in their desired direction.

When the bullshit that gets put out aligns with your beliefs and preferences it's "natural", but when it doesn't it's oppressive and synthetic.

>>135291384
and I support you my friend. you do what makes you happy. But don't let that be the reason why you don't understand something in the future.

i was just pointing out that the people who live there are forced to see why someone may act/think the way they do.

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>>135290537
>Identity Politics

its was a default position pre-modernism.

>The Frankfurt School weren't trying to take over or destroy western civilization by critiquing The Culture Industry's control of Culture

Adorno had some merit about his bourgaisse position and the destruction of high culture, but in the end he was a team player and positioned himself just as expected. Whole FS is dishonest and evil. I havent even started on Marcusa.

/pol/ is always right, get aids dishonest leftypol niggerfaggot.

>>135291613
>>135291543
Stop please, no shit talking here.

>>135290930
You cant rely on these guys though. The paradigm of when civilization started is difficult to figure out. We have evidence that modern man has existed for tens of thousands of years. If it only took us (civilization after the he ice age) 12 thosand years to get to where we are today, what prevented men in the past? What if there was a whole global civilization that's buried under hundreds of meters of dirt? Or leagues underwater?

>>135290787
At a physical level, humans are not the same. Slight differences matter so much more than you could ever think, because all of us together being just slightly better can create a society where a lesser group will *never* thrive. It's just out of their reach.

The difference between a giraffe thats 1 inch short or 1 inch taller can be the difference between life and death, depending on the trees he is surrounded by. We as people shape the world around us. A world shaped by people a little better, is just out of reach of the lesser, despite the seemingly small gaps.

>>135291611
For sure, I can agree with that, but I think it should be left to the individual how far they want to pursue an understanding of other cultures, not forced proximity.

>>135284401
I'll contribute something.

One thing I find comical about people judging other peoples' political orientation is the idea that a person's political sway is determined by intelligence. Often you will hear some bleeding-heart liberal say "Oh how could those conservatives be so stupid to not support gay marriage" or you will hear some blue-collar mechanic from Georgia say "Those liberals are so stupid to believe that socialist policies would work."

It is my firm belief that a person's political orientation is determined by their value systems (what is sacred v. profane, good v. evil) and not at all intelligence. Furthermore, someone's value system is determined by their material and spiritual worldview, life experiences, and life goals. A white-collar father of three in a suburb of Atlanta would value things such as his family, church, and community and would want the government to be responsible with its finances to ensure a future for posterity. Conversely, a 20-something bohemian living in San Francisco with no immediate family and hatred towards successful individuals would value authoritarian state policies which seek to redistribute wealth in order to achieve "fairness," with little regard for the well-being of future generations.

In short, value systems are completely arbitrary, and these systems influence a person's political orientation.

>>135291894
I'll add I guess the point is moot when we already have forced proximity. It's nice of you to focus on some possible positives, though.

>>135291543
>>135291688
He's right, you know. Things appear to us the way the elites want us to see them. It's been happening since the start of time.
To the Victor goes the spoils, and the history books

>>135286279
>healthcare
The united states enforces no law forbidding a licensed doctor to perform medicine on you. What you want isn't "access", what you want is FREE healthcare.
>you deserve the right to affordable health care because you are human
From whom? Who owes you this healthcare? I don't owe you shit, my boss doesn't owe you shit. The doctor doesn't owe you shit, even if you have the money, he can have moral objections. Nobody OWES you healthcare. The doctor DECIDES to perform medicine for money. THAT is freedom.

>All this drama about Trump, (whether good or bad in your eyes) does cause a considerable amount of stress and burdens people in one way or another.
What a defeatist pile of puerile piss. I hope this is just weak shitposting from a bored troll.

>Some are good for you regardless of their psychoactive effects, others are plain bad for you (such as Heroine).
Morphine helped my grandmother get through the day up until she died two nights ago. Without it, she was in constant, brutal agony. Drugs are consumable tools. A tool isn't good or bad, its just a tool.

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>>135291543
he uses exact vague speak like adorno did. Nasty, nasty people those leftists...

notice also the term "critical theory"...semantically it doesnt mean anything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJmEMeY6KVs

>>135291688
straigh and honest speak is not a virtue of leftist weasels.

dinohoax

>>135291971
No. Intelligence directly correlates with political ideals. Just like how ones intelligence affects everything they do, think, or say

>>135291971
I think you are dead on. The question now is, how does the "opposing" (simply against that value) side work around it to come to a mutual agreement.

>>135292319
Cmon OP. I thought you were smart

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>Be OP
>Make condescending post chastising us in advance for supposed racism
>Completely gloss over any actual reasons for racism
>Attribute it all to perspective
>Wealthy Bubble$ Y'all!!
>Get on my level plebs don't be meaningless

The right way of life is recognizing it for what it is. Which is primarily a struggle for survival & all other human activity & expression extends from that. Our ability to transcend limitations is what defines our worth. The less of struggle you experience in life, the less worthy you are of that life. Your wealth doesn't entitle you to presume to educate anyone else about our "perspectives". Your comfort is an illusion. I wish you well in your endeavors & hope you're doing some tangible good with your life instead of shitposting all day like some kind of cream-fed faggot.

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>>135291698
I'm pretty sure a bit part of the answer why civilization didn't develop earlier is the climate.
When you take a look at temperature changes during the last glacial cycle, the strong and rapid oscillations are readily apparent.
With huge temperature changes like that, the geographical distribution of areas with suitable temperature and precipitation to conduct agriculture is going to constantly shift around, providing little opportunity for long-term planning.

Compare that to the Holocene (the more or less horizontal line on the left), which has not only remarkably stable temperature (allowing for agriculture to develop) but also an incredibly stable sea level (making coastal settlement and thereby commerce possible).

>>135292519
>>135292290
>>135292319

hmm, let me rephrase that. I think values are the main reason. Intelligence assists in the process of understanding why you think that.

>>135292290
>>135291971
>>135292519
oh and also, I know more than a few highly intelligent people who are complete narcissistic shit heads. So I don't think intelligence is the main reason.

>>135292641
It's not like the whole world was covered in ice during the last ice age. Most of the land near the equator was suitable for civilization to grow. There is actually proof of this, if you believe in the "fingerprint theory". The theory relates to megalithic sites around the world that share the same construction techniques, including places like giza, machu piccu and puma punku.

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>>135284401
>People are so determined to contest their opponents that they forget what side they are really on. It seems people are more thrilled by the experience of shit talking (political or not), than wanting to fully understand why someone may have the views they have.
Reality is a matter of perspective change perspective change reality, ie all points of view are valid and true the question is what point of view is most useful. If you do not look at a question or come to a philosophic principle without looking at many perspectives then your an idiot and should not be listened to no matter what.

>This country was founded to support a multitude of people spanning across various cultures.
Yea no it was not, it was founded on puritain culture, but they where used to being discriminated against that's why they left England and wanted to make a better gov based on the past 1000 years of history in Europe.

>but it is fair to say that not every muslim, jew, gay, black, etc is a bad person.

Um yea everyone here is familiar with he fucking bell curve, but when the vast majority are shit then changes got to be made. What those changes may be are debatable.

>I think the biggest problem most people have is that they don't have perspective. I grew up in a very wealthy neighborhood where everyone seemed to be in their own bubble
Dude seriously everyone here from the west has been through the indoctrination centers that they call school these days, no one here was raised into the philosophy they hold now here on /pol/.

>Muh culture

Listen when a people move to a country and maintain their language/culture they are not immigrating they are colonizing. You wanna be a fucking cuck suit yourself.


Overall your thoughts are fucking shit and you should keep em to yourself.

>>135292290
>correlates
Source?

Still, I think you can find high-IQ communists and low-Iq libertarians, or low-Iq communists and high-iq libertarians in society. Objective intelligence does not accurately determine where somebody will fall along the political grid/spectrum.

>>135292627
"the right way of life" is your way of life. My reasoning may be completely different than yours. I grew up entirely different than you did. Ironic isn't it.

>>135293021
Is that the Graham Hancock idea?

Political Belief: an opinion on where tax money could be better spent, usually coloured by your own socioeconomic status.

>>135286279
>1. Healthcare: I think that Health care is huge and should be easily accessible by anyone in the United States.

If it's any measure, the NHS costs £140bn a year for the UK (pop ~70million). No matter how much money we throw at certain Trusts they always fail, largely because of (a) institutional theft dressed up as "agency staff" or "administrative consultants" (b) massive, sudden economic immigration to the area, making certain hospitals suddenly face ten times the workload of others.

The NHS "works" if you (a) have something specific wrong with you: you are moved to a specialist hospital up and down the country to be treated by experts (b) don't live in a high immigration (ie economically prosperous) area. Ironically the North East arguably has the best healthcare in the country because the workload matches the hospital specs.

The point being: expect taxes, lots and lots of taxes if you expect to match even the adequate levels of general healthcare on demand available in the UK, and also it's a postcode lottery even if you spend all of your tax money on it.
>>135284401
>it is fair to say that not every muslim, jew, gay, black, etc is a bad person.
Yeah? Nobody has ever opinioned that. Not even the cross burning dudes. The issue there is one of uneven IQ distribution. Peoples with an average IQ of 85 cannot function in a society geared towards 100 IQ norms. Hence America's nigger problem.

>>135292928
>intelligent
>narcissist
A narcissistic person believes what they say regardless if they have the proof. An intelligent person uses proof to back up what they say.
>>135292732
Personal values are also based off of one's intelligence. A smart person isn't going to base their values off of something they don't know

OP here, I really do appreciate everyones response, this is as much of a learning experience for me than it is for you. I get that everyone here has different values and may disagree with me quite heavily, but I'm here to have a discussion, not talk shit.

>>135293273
Not his specifically, but more refined, yes

>>135293357
ok. intelligence is measured in many different ways. A person who goes to Harvard and studies for 8 years, graduates with honors and gets a high paying job is not necessarily more intelligent than a musician who is able to create beautiful work.

As time passes, "intelligence" and "values" will contribute to the progression of one another. That is without a doubt. All I'm saying is I think your values determine your actions.

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>>135293107
NO.

There is only one right way of life. Struggle & survival. Your opinions are not facts. Your reasoning is flawed. And you don't know how I grew up, do you?

Your self-hating deconstructionism is so narrow as to not allow you be anything other than a bundle of assumptions & best guesses. Your immediate recourse to your social caste in every argument only goes to highlight your incredible deficit of self-esteem & confidence - and like the juvenile you most likely are, you cannot understand this about yourself so you enthrone it as "civilized conversation" & have the balls to expect anyone to ever take you serious.

You have no power here.

>>135293060
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/unique-everybody-else/201305/intelligence-and-politics-have-complex-relationship
>higher intelligence is associated with avoidance of extreme political views in general

>>135293938
Where do you get your values from? Family, friends. How do you interpret those values? With your intelligence. If you aren't smart, you'll have bad values. How hard is that to understand?

>>135293980
ill be honest, I don't give a shit about you (and I seriously mean that in no offense). but I recognize that you exist and are presumably going through tough times (maybe you did in the past). Those things that happened to you formed your world view, which happens to be different than mine.

You are the only person that know how you think, and vice versa. you do not know how I think, other than the words that I type.

>>135291971
This is spot on. The differences in political ideology are about the differences in our ideals and perception of the nature of humanity.

>>135293990
Yeah, the problem with that statement is that the author does not consider Left Wing insanity to be "extreme".

It's my experience that average people totally ignore politics altogether. They sensibly tune it out, reasoning that if they could change any of it, the government would make the process of doing so illegal overnight.

>>135293575
I'm not super knowledgeable about this (because I'm not that interested in archaeology) but what always struck me as incredibly convenient about that explanation is that all direct evidence for this earlier advanced civilization is supposed to be erased by an unspecified "global cataclysm".
It's convenient because it basically absolves the people who hold to this view to actually present actual evidence for this civilization and instead go around the globe, pick out little anomalous factoids and connect them that way.

That's why this explanation is barely scientific (since it doesn't present anything concrete to connect the sites that you mentioned besides their "anomalousness").

I say 'barely' because I don't think it's 100% worthless. The one point that seems to me worth following up on is Göbekli Tepe.

>>135294249
What he's saying is that everything that we're talking about, at the end of the day, means nothing. Which is true. If you can outlive your competition, you win the game of life

>>135293980
>>135294249
Ive gone through my won struggles, for example there was a period in my life where I had a brain tumor. I straight up thought I was going to die. 3 months later, My mom died. This all happened at the worst point in my life. I mid way through school and had a lot going for me. Those few events fucked the vision I had for my future. but I adapted and I learned from it. I did not hate myself or loathe. I stood up and faced reality.

In the end, I still got what I wanted out of life.

>>135284401
Why don't you remove some ribs so you can better suck yourself?

>>135293107
Objectively, what improves survival is the best way to live. You cannot enjoy being a good person while dead.

>>135294422
To you my existence in the end means nothing. I understand. But I live my life and I give it meaning. It is very important to me that I "win" at life, and I do that in my own way. Sure theres struggle and sure I try to survive. But I live in a society where as long as I keep myself up, it will support my basic necessities to life. In which case, my life does not focus on survival and struggle the way that you may see it.

>>135294415
The global cataclysm is written in every religious text. A flood. Religions all over the world believed that a flood wiped out the last "world" or "age". How could this happen? There is scientific data supporting the theory that a meteor hit the glaciers above north america during the ice age, causing millions of tons of water to flood the earth. Look up the younger dryas comet theory.
There is a dating technique for rock now. It measures the amount of radiation on the face of a stone. Meaning that feasibly we can date quarried stone, and find out the exact date they were quarried.

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>>135294249
You just get repeating the same thing over & over. Assumptions, guesses, self-justifying mantras. Your philosophy is paper-thin. Your undernourished ego won't allow you to accept objective truth & so your only recourse is appealing to subjective realities.

So far you have yet to engage any of the things I've said in response to your OP eg: struggle, survival & the implications of ones exposure to that being the only true way to see the world & life all else being objectively false.

Please don't remind me for a 4th time that our opinions are each unique & different. They are not. Just respond to the fucking subject which YOU brought up in the first place.

>>135295009
>>135295009
right, but you can enjoy being a good person (in my own eyes) when your alive, and thats why.

>>135294249
Just because different experiences shape people to have different values, does not mean all values are equal.

>>135284401
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcTEMZ_1qbA

>>135295020
Your assumptions bore me. Everyone dreams of having their "perfect life".

>>135295110
My thoughts are different than yours. The subject I brought up was inherently changed by people like you in this thread.

My point is that just because your life sucks, doesn't mean I have to attempt to feel the same as you. At a basic level, every organisms only challenge is to reproduce and survive. But once you get to a much larger scale (that of a human body) it becomes difficult to pinpoint certain objectives that are required to fulfill the meaning to life.

>>135295109
I'm aware about all of that.
That might answer the type of cataclysm, but it doesn't challenge what I said about the merits of the explanation itself, does it?

It's still incredibly convenient to say that all direct evidence was destroyed by this flood. It also makes the hypothesis effectively unfalsifiable (and therefore unscientific).
Or do you know a way one could theoretically debunk this explanation?

>>135295110
>subjective realities
C L I C K E D

>>135295409
theres a difference to dreaming and doing. When I want something I go for it.

>>135295110
In my defense, You actually never asked me a question.

If only pol could have threads like these more often. People disagreeing but in a civil manner. Explaining beliefs without the obligatory "shill" comment.

>>135295576
But I agree with your basic premise, reason and intuition are primarily shaped by your experiences which means that only you will reason and intuit things like yourself. The problem is were soo focused on our ideas "winning" that we forget that we steamrolling others. Survival is important but unless you're an absolute narcissist or nihilist then you probably care about the future after you're long gone. (i.e. all of these white genocide threads). I personally believe we as a society should learn how to compromise and communicate with one other better.

>>135295599
It would depend. In today's civilization, we cherish written information, we there it be on paper or email. What if this past civilization didn't rely on written information? What if they had no written language at all, and only used verbal communication and storytelling to pass their history down? It would surely explain all of the anecdotes of a "past civilization" by nearly all religions on the planet. The evidence might not be scientific (i.e. measurements, data). The evidence is the story. Years ago people thought the city of Troy was a myth. An archeologist (forgot his name) followed Platos writings like a map, and found the real city of Troy. If one myth was proven to be true, it would be wrong to assume all the other myths are just stories

just so you all know, all of my posts are up for interpretation and debate. You don't have to agree with me if your part of this conversation, but I do expect you to try and understand why I may think like that.

>>135296195
The human species as of now, is incapable of thinking "for the species". We're more worried about our nation's survival. We're more worried about "who's gonna pay for my sex change?"

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>>135295576
And my point is that your comfortable, non-threatening, abstract little existence is going to continue to leave your questions unanswered & your life unfulfilled.

You can posture bravely & rub your luck in the faces of everyone around you but ultimately you're powerless. You implicitly understand this & like every farmed animal, you're resigned to your fate & as long as you can continue to chew your cud you will continue to inexorably walk step-by-step to the slaughterhouse. And if any of us tries to warn you, you just MOO in our direction & shit on your own feet.

Whatever my dude. You're not here for discussion. You're here for validation. Validation without having earned it. You keep saying my life sucks but truth is I'd hate to be in your position. You can have it all, kid. You can even sell your soul if you wanna, but I ain't buying it.

Stop taking so many opiates you doof.

>>135296545
aha, so wouldn't it be fair to say that survival and struggle are much less of a consideration to take in comparatively.

>>135296780
none taken.

>>135296225
sure, it's completely possible that this is true.
But notice something about your own example:
For Troy to make the jump from myth to archaeological reality, the city had to actually be discovered, dated, artifacts recovered and so on.
It was completely reasonable for archaeologists to think Troy was a myth, until any actual physical evidence was uncovered.

Same goes for this hypothetical fingerprint civilization - as long as no physical evidence is forthcoming and the entire hypothesis has no predictive capabilites, it's completely reasonable for archaeologists to reject it as an explanation.

>>135296811
Survival and struggle for you and yours, yes. A parent will do anything to protect their kid. Which is why the species continental to grow. Until a person will do anything to protect their species, we won't reach a global society. And up to this point so far, mankind has not been challenged by a species ending situation.

>>135296753
Ok ill bite bullet. Lets say I am ignorant to my own lifestyle. What makes me less/more of a person than you. nothing. Even if i am delusional, I still enjoy my life because I make decisions that lead me into that direction. Again I completely understand that I was fortunate enough to be given a kick start. My only grudge here is that you do live in the U.S. and opportunity is literally around the corner if you search for it. The best way to find those opportunities is to learn. Work on yourself (this is rhetorical advice not directly meant for you)

and just so you know, I'm not flaunting or bragging about myself. I'm trying to portray my perspective.

>>135297010
True, however by rejecting the theory based off of "no evidence" shows how corrupt the scientific institutions are now. Graham Hancock has tried excavations at those sites, but they refuse to let him? Why?
I agree with his notion that the scientific community is stuck in a situation with the specific paradigm of when civilization started. They have to keep pushing it back 1, 2 thousand years every new site is found. Their theories conflict with their own timeline of history

>>135297458
I don't mean to be condescending on the matter of finding something to do for a living (enjoyable or not). My point here is that there are 321 million people in the U.S. There is an abundance of lifestyles that you could choose from. There are a numerous amount of resources that you can craft stuff from. There are millions of ideas that you can extend off of and create something new.

The best way to feel successful is to do something that makes you feel good. If you want to make something but have no will to do it. Then I don't know what to say.

>>135297458
>>135298040
Most of the people in america voted for hillary or bernie. That should explain enough, OP. Most people's ideas and values aren't really theirs. They think they are in control of their lives, but they're not. They're constantly being fed what to read, what to like, what to listen to. So what makes your values genuine?

>>135298612
Idk, im the only one who can think for myself. I guess I really don't know if they are genuine or not. I already said I don't think of myself as an exception or genuine thinker. I just have thoughts that I separate from those of other people.

>>135298612
I don't even wanna get started with the election... Thats a dark path.

>>135299171
not because i don't want to talk about it, but I feel like this thread will go to shit posting central once it does.

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>>135288737
Germany is technologically advanced because they have HIGH IQs. I know this is a leftist propaganda shill thread but my God, you are stupid.

Venezuela is socialist and people there are starving and eating garbage. There's incredible violence in the streets.

Countries succeed or fail based on their genetic intelligence, not on whether marginal tax rates are 30% or 50%.

WHY ARE LEFTISTS SO FUCKING DUMB???

>>135298947
Which proves you aren't as hollow as most people
>>135299171
>>135299239
Lol

>>135299305
>Germany is technologically advanced because they have HIGH IQs.
No. They are technologically advanced because of trade deals, the EU and the end of WW2.
Technology no longer correlates with the intelligence of the polulace.there's fucking WiFi in Africa now.

>>135299305
>(my biased opinion)

ok but the thing is it works for a certain culture of people. When I said socialist polices work well its because the implementation was executed properly dependent on the needs and wants of the people.

I also never said Socialism was the one and only best form of government. Fuck I love capitalism, my lifestyle thrives off of it.

I don't side with any political party btw...

>>135299770
>Africans invented Wi-Fi on their own
>implying they wouldn't be in the stone age if we hadn't influenced them
Thatsbait.gif

>>135299771
Those socialist policies sure are doing wonders for Germany now, huh? Too bad your average iq will go down due to the immigrants. Uh oh, and since you have such a technologically advanced nation, it will be hard to find smart enough people for the jobs, since you flooded your borders with stupids that believe throwing a gay man off a roof is a way to salvation

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>>135299771
The truth is IQ is everything in politics. It's why Ireland is rich and Haiti is poor. It's why England took over the world, and Zimbabwe didn't.

We simply cannot discuss systems without first acknowledging the differential genetic abilities of the people's populating those systems.

This is why all political discussions are essentially bullshit. Because they willfully ignore human biodiversity. Therefore the entire complex is predicated on a LIE.

>>135300033
I was implying that just because a nation has a high iq, doesn't correlate with the level of technology.
Obiously Africa wouldn't be anything it is now if it wasn't for europeans "colonization attempts"

>>135300460
You're trying to refute the correlation of technological aptitude and creation to iq with technological use.

>>135284401
>thinks "all men are created equal" is in the constitution

Sage

>>135299770
I wouldn't say Germany itself is more advanced but there are German owned companies that are unrivaled in what they produce.

>>135300180
First off, yes the immigration situation was mishandled but appropriated at first. But you have to understand that many people from Syria are very intelligent people. Many have phd degrees and were instantly hired to some of the largest companies in Europe. Its just unfortunate that terrorism and the threat of it had to come along.

now the situation gets interesting. Is it worth the risk to allow potential terrorists into the country? Well this is where we divide. I think middle eastern civilians should be heavily vetted/background checked, and monitored for the first year or so given the situation at hand. The reason why I think it is important to a countries interests is that a country needs to find ways to stay relevant, with leverage in the future. Theres also the Humanitarian perspective to it, but Im not even going to get into that.

I think for the successful future of Germany, European countries, and others including the U.S. would benefit simply because of a newly introduced perspective. Different cultures have different approaches to problems and this kind of mixture between ideas can be very beneficial.

>>135300366
Lol, dumb Floridians, making the rest of murica look retarded
>>135300686
Just because someone doesn't know how to build a computer, doesn't mean they can't use one.

>>135300996
Declaration of independence is where thats stated.

If you re-read my statement it says:

>does its best to outline that "ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL".

not stating that it is written in the constitution.

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>>135299171

The fact that you are unwilling to discuss a "difficult topic" shows your strength of character OP, or lack of it.

Your initial post mentioned "the right way of life". It's to be one of the men in the top right, even if society is in the bottom left, and be hated for it.

I live in Australia's San Fran Cisco equivalent, and I have very frequent dealings with liberals and progressives. "City people" as you described. The viewpoint is driven by comfort, instant gratification, materialism and subjective societal morality in speech not practice.

Your home country's most successful movement that resulted in it's economical rise from the ashes 75 years ago was born from a singular cohesive ideology that moved in the opposite direction.

Liberalism is not what builds strong societies. It is a transient, floating set of popular ideas mixed with the above that places an unhealthy focus on utopianism that has no basis in hard truths. Hence why it's dominance is always the preceding factor for the fall of any great civilization. It is also the cause of your unease.

Not the mean trolls on 4chan that hurt your fee fees.

>>135301148
>But you have to understand that many people from Syria are very intelligent people.
They also believe in sharia law.
Most of the people leaving their home countries don't want to leave. They are forced out by violence. I understand that. But why does it become my responsibility? Multiculturalism is the biggest joke of all. America proves how silly this concept is. America may be multi cultural, having multiple backgrounds, but we all assimilate into the major American culture. Having 15 to 20 subcultures like you do in Britain leads to some bad things

>>135301810
maybe read the post where I stated why I don't want that to happen?

>>135299239

^ read that

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>>135301148
You're wrong again. It's remarkable.

Most people coming are militate men with poor education.

But if we were to strip out the idiots from the refugees (most of them) and only take the smart ones, WE'D BE ROBBING THE MIDDLE EAST OF THE RARE SMART PEOPLE they have. Destroying any chance for that region to succeed.

How can you not see this??

>>135284401
The only way we can have peace is through compassion.

>>135301810
Excellent post by Anglo-Celtic master race.

>>135302022

So discuss it.

You are the last places on the internet where anything can be discussed freely without downvote or delete censorship, and you created a thread with comparatively civil discourse. This is actually a freedom lost on the rest of the internet and a chance to widen your viewpoint by engaging with a viewpoint not found in many other places.

What are you afraid of?

>>135286279
>others are plain bad for you (such as Heroine)
Heroin isnt THAT bad for you

>>135302049
I don't want every single one of them in the country. I want their best most capable people. I mean fuck even white people are denied citizen ship if they cannot forceable contribute to the economy.

My argument at first was based on racism and the likes. In which case I do not condone that.

As for letting people in, you simply can't let everyone in.

>>135299305

High IQ is not the only thing neccesary to a prosperous civilization. The germans are more innovative and hardworking due to centuries of life under a culture that puts abiding by the law,hard work and discipline as it's highest virtues.

Truth is, one can talk about government policy for centuries, but what makes the success country are the people within it and the values they uphold. The rest of Europe is lagging behind Germany for a reason -- and it's because of the people within it.

>>135302354
Da troof

>>135302376
well, if you think its good for you and you enjoy the use. Go for it. Its ur life.

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>>135302308


cheers

>>135302354
I don't care, there are numerous other threads you can do that on, this is not for that. I mean post what ever you want, but I'm not responding

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>>135284401
my view is biological i must kill others for my offspring and by others I mean niggers and jews

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhbC7jOzn5A

>>135302458
Not true. I'd say Ireland and some Scandinavian countries are ahead of Germany in a lot of important metrics.

But I do think old German culture and engineering prowess are admirable.

>>135302354
from past experience, it always ends up shit posting with memes. And I don't want that here because its a waste of my time.

Whatever you may think of me, I respect that you are taking part in the conversation none the less.

>>135302354
In the end I want a conversation about what people truly feel. Not what party they are associated with and why its leader is more bad ass than the other.

I want people to compare their views based on views and not by association to party.

>>135284401

God, no shit not every jew, fag, black, muslim, et cetera is not a bad person, but that does not equate they should live in this country. White genocide is real, you mong, and so is the fact that America was designed FOR WHITES ONLY (to have citizenship at least) by all the founders and the subsequent leaders until 1965.

https://www.amren.com/news/2012/02/what-the-founders-really-thought-about-race/

Enjoy your tunes, but your concept of history and America is shallow.

>>135304621
read the rest of this thread please. Then make a statement on what I did and didn't post.

>>135304621
also I disagree completely. America is a piece of land that was claimed by more powerful people at the time. White people are no more important than black people, but that does not mean you shouldn't be proud to be white. I sure as hell am.

>>135305210
not sure why I only said black people, I mean all people.

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>>135302976

I'll leave you with one thing before I bail.

Stick around. I don't mean this as insult, but given I can only browse Reddit at work and not 4chan (obviously) you do strike me as someone who frequents there more than here. (not an insult as it normally is here, just an observation).

Make no mistake, between now and 2040 at the latest, we are living in the fall of the Roman Empire so to speak. To address your 4 points made earlier -

1. Healthcare. My country has Canada style healthcare, and I have worked in a Hospital previously. I don't think it should be a right, and an extended lifespan should be earned.

2. I'll leave for last.

3. Drugs are pretty much fine how they are now, unless grade A's become unchecked and dealt illegally en-masse.

4. Trump is not hurting national leverage as much as the media wants you to believe. Other world leaders will not support him publicy because it is anathema for the careers right now.

As for the discourse schism (point 2.), it's a symptom of everyone's conscious and sub-conscious awareness that the post WW2 gravy train in the 1st world is almost over, and the poorly equipped to deal with this are distracting themselves and venting over non-issues like racial demographics in Hollywood films, whereas those too painfully aware (a lot of /pol/) are doing what they can. When a seemingly normal co-worker of mine revealed his power level over drinks last Friday, he mentioned he and his 20 white friends plan of going off grid to country Victoria and starting a new community for white Australians. This a former plumber from Melbourne who has never been on 4chan, T_D or Stormfront.

This is the world we live in.

>>135304995

All right, sorry for yelling, and thanks for being polite. I was triggered by that overused "muh all men are created equal" nonsense. I'll read the thread later - can't now.

>>135305429
I appreciate it, I take no offense.

>>135305429
i certainly spend way more time on 4chan than reddit. It seems more raw for some reason.

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>>135284401
You didn't really say anything meaningful at all so it's hard to respond with anything meaningful. So I'm going to respond with something that has no deeper meaning.

Make better threads in the future.

>>135305210

I never said if I thought all men were equal or not. I simply stated how this country was not designed for non-whites. That is a historical fact that you cannot "completely disagree with"

Personally, no, I do not think all people are equal, within a race or outside of a race. Nature is about strength, about survival, about perfecting your situation more and more. Those that don't adhere to these principles are sloughed off. Not everything has inherent value "just because!" or because some religious text says so. You have to earn it and be it.

Most of the cities in this country could be nuked to vapor, and I honestly think the creator of all things himself would have a slight sigh of relief from such perversion and worthlessness being extinguished so quickly.

>>135303683
i'm very interested in what you have to say about this past election.
not about the candidates or the parties, but the spectacle itself. did you enjoy the show?
it's cool if you want this thread to be about other shit. i just don't often run across people i agree with on /pol/ and would appreciate your take.

>>135305210

You realize you are basically saying that natural selection isn't real when you say that every race is equal?

>>135286279
My main issue with Healthcare is the insane lobby behind it. The main reason that healthcare is so expensive is because hospitals charge whatever they want for their services. If we really wanted prices to go down, we would give more bargaining power to consumers (i.e. this drug is cheaper in Canada, buy it from there). But the lobby would never let that happen.

>>135306028
at one point in this thread I mention that my statement "all men are created equal" was not a refection of the individual, but of the whole species we know as human beings,

The United States was government was designed by white people that had a very specific goal in mind. The thing is that life changes and so do governments, we are not the country we used to be.

>>135306170
Ill comment on that for sure. I thought it was uncomfortably entertaining. The whole purpose of it was to be entertaining so to rile up the population to make their decisions. Between the last few candidates I would have chosen Kasich. But in the end it was two people I couldn't care less for.

My thought on it in the end was this.

>I want to fly to mars with 100 people and start a whole new world as we watch Earth burn in its own shit.

That is all I will say.

>>135306252
refer to this.>>135306445

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>>135306445

False. By "all men are created equal," the founders meant they, the Americans, were equal in the face of the British, who were lording over them. It was so common sense back then that races or sexes are not equal that there was no need for this distinction. They considered a black 3/5's of a man. How can you argue that they really thought all men are equal? It was a statement made for a time and place, and I imagine they'd be aghast to realize how manipulated it's become.

>the truth about "all men being equal"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hOqjjaRW5o

>the thing is that life changes and so do governments

You have no idea about the jews, do you? You really are new. Tip: you will never understand the truth of what's going on in this world unless you study the jews.

https://thezog.info/list-summaries/

http://www.jta.org/2009/10/05/fundermentalist/at-least-139-of-the-forbes-400-are-jewish

>>135307076
Thats exactly what I'm trying to say. The Americans saw themselves as equal to another entity with a completely different value system. I see myself equal to any other human being on this earth, I am not any more deserving than the man or women next to me. Yet somehow I am still in a position far beyond the majority of the world.

In the end both sides were still human, both sides had casualties, both sides spent a tremendous amount of time, resources, and services to support their efforts.

>>135306968

You still didn't answer the question on your personal belief. Nature, thus the guiding principles of life on this planet, does not believe in equality. Therefore, anyone who argues for equality of all people is going against life itself. Which are you? The idealistic fantasizer or one who is humble and respects what is?

>>135307406
both, I understand the reality, but push to fight for humanity.

>>135307406
life is not absolute. Everything is not as clear as you see it. I'm following a path that bring me happiness, which is selfish.

but fuck it, this is my life.

>>135307476

Why though?

You seem way too nice for this place, and way too naive.

Here is the truth: The jews have fucked up this world beyond recognition. They want a raceless, monoculture of consumers that are easily lorded over. They pit people and races against one another for their own ends, and whites are in danger of extinction. What this world needs now is true men made of steel, righteousness, and thirsty for the blood of evil doers, not humanitarians (who by the way, have fucked up India and Africa by tampering with their natural selection, leading to unsustainable population booms, disease, horrible slums and living conditions, and so on - do you see what happens when you go against life and try to make it "your way"? Do you see even if your heart is in the right place, you are fundamentally being arrogant?

>>135307406
maybe my efforts are contributing to humanities end. I like to thin they are not.

>>135307935
I wouldn't say I'm Naive, I just don't fall for the bullshit.

I have not done research on the extensive efforts of Jewish people to control the world, but I do believe that just like any group of people they will eventually die off like everyone else will. I mean fuck, look at any group of people and try to pick out the bad things they did. Its very easy you will find.

>>135307935
Im sure those "greedy jews" (not saying there aren't any) don't like certain groups of people themselves and feel obstructed by them.

>>135308321

Just look into the jews, anon. No other group compares whatsoever to what they've done and are doing, because they attack people spiritually primarily. Read Dr. MacDonald's Culture of Critique on a free PDF if you want to understand, or seek out some of his YouTube videos. Dr. William Luther Pierce isn't bad either, but he's probably too edgy for you.

And yeah, of course they'll die off and so will the planet and all known existence - that doesn't mean it's okay for them to be doing what they're doing and for no one to resist it.

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>>135306881
>uncomfortably entertaining
yeah
but it was a comfy sort of uncomfortable

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>>135296753
This is the most real poster ITT.