What the fuck is his problem?

>>135276751

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Are you tired yet, /pol/?

>>135276857
Shill

john mccancerbrain is a perfect argument for term limits in congress

>>135276751
Fucking pottery that he's saving a law that his opponent in a presidential campaign made.

>>135276857
Nice try faggot

>>135276751
Brain cancer.

>>135276751
Maybe now that he's going to die he's free to do the right thing. You all know that repealing the ACA would take healthcare away from +20 million.

And the Rs have been unable to find anything better, meaning that Obamacare isn't as bad as the Reps wanted everyone to believe.

>>135277277
Once Dems get complete control again, the US will get single payer.

It's only a matter of time. Then healthcare will finally be deemed a right in the US like virtually all other 1st world countries.

>>135277277
>You all know that repealing the ACA would take healthcare away from +20 million.

There's literally nothing wrong with this.

>>135277451
I don't think so. They're too deep inside their asses they never stop to think why the rest of the industrialised world has single payer and they don't.

>>135277456
If I take healthcare away from you, will you care?

>>135277456
Yeah but it'd be political suicide, especially considering a lot of poor people from midwestern and coal country states depend on it.

No more healthcare for black-lung Billy Bob in West Virginia.

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>>135277451

>>135276751
I WANNA RUN AWAYYYYY

>>135277635
>If I take healthcare away from you, will you care?

I'd be great, I haven't been to a doctor in years.

>>135277753
Nice counter argument. This is why I don't come here anymore.

>>135276751
He's just a contrarian now.

>>135276751
>>135277637

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>>135277753

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>>135277846

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>>135278120
Ironically that's the reason I don't come here any more...Too many reddit T_D bootlickers.

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>>135276901
>>135277079

Wow what great arguments you guys have. I'm sure you can come up with similarly excellent debate for pic related.

>Trump sold you out for sweet shekels and you won't admit it because of the sunk-cost fallacy so you choose to be a good cuck goyim instead.

IT'S LIKE THE FACE INSIDE IS RIGHT
BENEATH MY SKIIIIIIN

>>135278272
Nice rationalization. Haven't regretted my vote for a second, in fact Trump just keeps getting better.

>>135276751
He is a true American patriot, unlike Cheeto Benito the draft dodger.
Thank you for your service Senator McCain and G-d bless the US of A!

>>135277846
And yet you're still here! Must be nice to think a single payer plan will do anything but bankrupt the middle class considering the poor won't pay and for it to work payment is mandatory. Tell me why I should be forced to pay upwards of 600 dollars (a low estimate) a month of my hard earned salary for Jamal to go to the ER because his elbow is strained?

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>>135276751
He's a vote pandering back stabbing Neocon Rino. He's trying to overtake Hillary's spot as the most corrupt politician in US history.

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>>135278272
Why even believe or follow Trump now? He is a loser, McCain has triumphed over him.

Here is Trump, pic related.

>>135276751
>What the fuck is his problem?
he's an alien cyborg
anime is now real

>>135277830

>>135277830

>I don't need car insurance I've never had an accident!
>I don't need to insure my house, I'm a careful person.

-you right before you get bent over Mr. Shekelstein after you lose everything in a fire and are on the hook for 140,000 in medical bills.

Accidents don't care about how many times you go for a jog or how safe your neighbourhood is.

>>135276857
2nd amendment rights restored to all Americans when?

>>135277277

>20 million healthy af millenials will no longer have to pay for a bunch of rich old fucking baby boomers who keep voting themselves free shit

there's literally nothing wrong with this

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>>135278424
>Republican flag

>>135278494
>a single payer plan will do anything but bankrupt the middle class

Funny how so many other industrialized countries manage to make this work without bankrupting anyone

Oh, it's because they don't shit on the poor so there isn't massive income disparity. I forgot

>>135276751

The Gooks played with his mind.

Irreconcilable damage.

That means it isn't reversible.

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Thanks McCancer. This is gonna be a great weekend.

>>135278628
Shit happens, survival of the fittest

All this health care coddling is making the human race weak

>>135277830
This is the kind of person who wants to destroy healthcare.

I guess you're not planning on getting old either, retard.

kek

>>135278494
Where'd you get the $600 a month figure from? Honestly it'd be the top 1-5% subsidizing most of the poor. There's also sin taxes you can add onto unhealthy shit like cigarettes to pay for it.

It certainly hasn't bankrupt the middle class here, or virtually any of the other countries with single payer.

The average American family already puts $16k a year into healthcare on average. We put in $8k a year per family into it.

>>135278744

That's cheap. It's like saying because Trumps father died of alzheimers and he has a family history of alzheimers we should be concorned about trumps mental state.

>>135278494
Fuck off shill

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TO WHAT I WANT WHEN I'M STRETCHED SO THIN

>>135278724
>Funny how so many other industrialized countries manage to make this work without bankrupting anyone

1. they are going bankrupt you retard
2. They leech off the US for defense spending if they had to pay for their own defense they would not be able to have all their gay social spending

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>>135276751
This faggot's been in politics for >9000 years. There should be some dirt we can find on him and his girlfriend lindsey. Why haven't we?

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>>135276751

>>135278703
>liberatarian flag
Fuck off idiot. Go suck Ron Paul's cock

>>135278836
that's why Canada's care is so shit you all flee to Florida anytime you need major surgery? is that why?

>>135278724
>Every nation is the same as the U.S.!
We are not even going to be able to fully fund Social Security in 10 years and you want to increase government spending? How much do you pay right now in healthcare?

>>135278786

>T. 14 year old.

Are you seriously making the argument that healthcare as a science should be abolished because "it's making humans weak?"

You're a fucking idiot.

>>135278920
>Our countries are going bankrupt while the US is over $20 trillion in debt

>BUT DUDE WE DEFEND OTHER COUNTRIES
>Spend $600 billion a year on defense

Your argument makes no sense.

>>135278872
>has a family history of alzheimers we should be concorned about trumps mental state.

Well, yes! He is old as fuck and Alzheimers is hereditary.

>>135277707
>implying nogs and spics aren't the majority of people losing their coverage

>>135278836
I am quoting the price of Obamacare right now if I tried to sign up, which I compared to my employers health plan. I know some who were quoted higher.

>>135278976
KEK
thats a good one

>>135276751
It's called being worthless it's an old person thing

>>135278920

1. citation needed
2. reaching this hard, lol. Defense from who? The overwhelming majority of said countries are allies, and combined would crush the fuck out of N. Korea et al even if the US cut back their spending to 10% of current levels

>>135278976
>leading the fight to stop obamacare

Goddamn this asshole

>>135277451
it was conservative democrats who got the public option taken out of ACA in the first place

>>135278662
WHITE AMERICANS

ftfy

>>135279220
It'd be cheaper if you take insurance out of the equation. Then you don't have to suck private insurance company Jew cock for healthcare.

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He's a terrorist lover

>>135278836
then you have to flee to the us when anything serious happens

hell most canadian hospitals Ive seen would sit you in the wait room for 4 hours even if you walked in with a broken leg

>>135278786
do you have health insurance?

>>135278698
see
>>135278834
tard

Can someone shop MechaMcCain? OP's image is perfect for it. I have a case of the tards when it comes to said request

>>135279349
B R O W N E D

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>>135279258
Hey, don't hate on a great man.

It's not like Trump is a great president. He is retarded. lol

>>135276751
The huge fucking tumor in his head, obviously. Funny how the media publishes (((experts'))) opinions on how Trump should be removed from office because he's "mentally unstable," but nobody suggests removing this asshole suffering from a condition that actually impairs his thinking

>>135279442
>I have a case of the tards
I believe you.


>>135279471
SALTED

>>135277451
Look at this sheep. He thinks Dems want to upset their comfy position in society by actually giving lowborn filth what they want. Keep them oppressed and they are a reliable voting bloc. Let them succeed and they become republicans.

>>135279383
Uh...no.

Need heart surgery? Get it done the same day. Cost? $0. My dad got it after a heart attack.

>>135279170

Exactly.

>>135278272
Still better than Hillary the backstabber and pedophile supporter.

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Evil man

>>135279065

Cut military spending to match China, there's several hundred billies per year right there. Cut down the tax code to prevent US corporations from being able to hoard trillions in offshore dragon caves, and have a one-year tax reduction to allow them to pull the current wealth back. There's a lot more ideas on how to fund healthcare affordably but I'm sure you'll just call me a cuck or something regardless

he's still mad a trump for making fun of his military record and getting away with it. one last twist of the knife before he consigns himself to the dust

>>135279344
Tell me how you would evaporate a multi billion dollar insurance industry without hurting the economy. We are a free market and not a socialist society.

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>>135279605

>>135276751
Redemption arc

>>135279488
>great man
>started the forrestal fire and snitched on his brothers in arms while in captivity
choose one, you fucking nigger

>>135278920
America is paying big for Nato, Eu isn't, can confirm. Whether NATO is necessary or not is irrelevant. NATO countries have signed financial obligations.

>>135279576
Have insurance from your employer? Cost to you: 0.

>>135279675

You would hurt the economy, temporarily. A lot of the current insurance workers would work for the govt, but others would indeed become unemployed because of redundancy. But the bandaid needs to get ripped off at some point. We go through a turbulent transition, then everyone has healthcare, you don't get as many people showing up to ERs with conditions that could have been prevented and running up massive bills for insured to pay. You think that won't offset the temporary unemployment problem?

>>135276751
Damn, can someone Photoshop McCain and two-face?

>>135277456
Please stop posting retarded shit kthxbye

>>135279615
I agree on the tax code for offshore companies. That loophole is a horrible pain and probably the worst thing about an international economy. Military spending can drop if we stop fucking around like globalists in Syria and MiddleEastern affairs. But you do need to realize we at an impasse with healthcare spending due to ACA and a single payer plan is not a definite answer. Especially if you see how much hospitals and doctors offices gouge Medicare/Medicaid and then you implement another government spending program that doesn't know the value of a saline drip.

>>135279394
Yeah I do

It even got cheaper under Obamacare

I would gladly personally pay more to not have the government waste their money on this communist bullshit

>>135280067
He's right, and even if it costs jobs ? There will always be a point where loss of jobs occurs due to innovation, like during the Industrialization.

>>135280124

I agree with ending the world police mindset.

Ideally our culture itself would change, including doctors having more restraint on ordering expensive diag tests (out of fear of being sued--cultural problem) and people not grasping to the last bit of life and racking up $100k+ bills in their final months (people used to just accept their terminal conditions and die--cultural problem). But along with that there have to be systemic changes.

Looks like a villain.

>>135280141
no survival of the fittest for you, then, eh?

>>135280141
>I would gladly personally pay more to not have the government waste their money on this communist bullshit

well thats the joke isn't it, that simple medical products are being purchased by government for 10x their normal over the counter price in other nations where the criminals in government are less brazen

Faking a brain tumor to get out of testifying about the Pissgate Dossier.

>>135276751
His grand father was an admiral.
His father was an admiral.
His ship got blown up literally outside the canopy of his A4. Uss Forestall.
He got shot down over north Vietnam flat hating his airplane where he wasn't supposed to be.
Spent years in the Hanoi Hilton being tortured learning that yes his shitty moves do have consequences.
Trying to relevant to the deep state while still alive.
Perhaps (((they))) will keep him around a bit longer.

> to be just a human

>>135276751

As a child he wanted to become his hero the villain Two-Face. Everyone said he was crazy but he showed them all.

>>135277846
You're on the right track. 4chan should still IP block Canada though.

>>135280067
Doctors would get paid nothing compared to what they did before. If they're all employed by the government, they'd at most get paid 100k.

>>135280709
corporate care is on the rise, most doctors will be employees soon anyways

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>>135277451
we already fucking told you the western world does not want to play your retarded game of Kenny vs Spenny

>>135280709

Nothing's stopping private practices from existing.

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>>135280908
CAPTAIN MCCAIN

CAPTAIN JOHN MCCAIN

JOHN SIDNEY MCCAIN

LISTEN

>>135280680
Australia has been blocked from posting...

>>135281255
That nobody can afford.

>>135281475
i fucking wanted to start a nigger hate thread but NOOOO

does anyone know why our humble shitposting country was banned ;-;

His problem is that he's still among us.

>>135281763
The moderators must feel threatened by how progressive we are

>>135276751
Was he killed and is this an imitation of him? Why does he have that """scar"""?

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Guys, where's the wall and why isn't Hillary in prison?
You could have prevented this you know, you could have voted for your one true candidate.

>>135280067
It's an infringement on the free market. It's not perfect but it's what seperates us from Venezuela types. It's similar to a government dissolving and imposing it's own monopoly on a previous free market industry. Sorry for long delay, I'm actually in a hospital right now tending to wife

>>135277451
So clearly you haven't read anything about the economics behind the cost of single-payer for the USA. Additionally, you somehow believe that our system in Canada is effective, despite getting significantly worse on an almost yearly basis. So how young are you?

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the long game

his fleshy exoskeleton is deteriorating

>>135276751
Brain cancer.

I don't know what the two women's excuse is though.

>IT WILL TAKE HEALTHCARE AWAY FROM 20 MILLION AMERICANS

Who were forced, under penalty of law, to buy it.

>>135276751
We need to start a campaign in his area to get him tossed the fuck out. The stupid cunt just won not long ago though, hes only there because of string pullers, not actual campaigning.

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there is a place where themirrors dont lie

>>135277451
If even California voted down single payer, then what the hell makes you think this country will ever go there. Oh wait, leaf.

>>135281763
What image did you want to start it with? Ill do it for you, and then you can bump your own thread.

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>>135279217
Nogs and Spics already have their healthcare subsidised by medicare. Why can't we move to single payer? Like, there is one person paying for your healthcare, you.

>>135277846
>This is why I don't come here anymore.
>Is here.
>You're here forever.

>>135277707
Billy Bob can't afford the $22k with $10k deductible insurance. He probably tells the gov't to try to come get their penalty. Obamacare is worse than nothing at all for most people and we don't want to be owned like the serfs of the other "1st world countries". Spain will eventually run out of other people's money and has the most lazy losers of all the EU idiot nations. The Spanish will be helpless to take care of themselves.

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>>135276751
Don't forget about the other ones anon. 2 women and a traitor.

>>135276751
Traitor.

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>>135281763
Too much waiting around, National Socialism does not wait.

>>135283180

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Literally brain implants

>>135276751
McCain managed to confuse everyone on both sides of the aisle when he gave an impassioned speech this week about how much he despised the procedure that the Republicans were using to try to ram through the ObamaCare repeal – but then he cast the deciding vote to move forward with the repeal process anyway. But then, even as the Republican leadership was scheduling a vote in the middle of the night to try to pass their latest “repeal and replace” effort because they believed they had the votes, McCain decided to go the other way. He really did cast the deciding vote to kill TrumpCare and save ObamaCare.

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>>135278494
I earn $102k per year and I pay anywhere from $700 to $400 per pay cheque. This is an amount that covers all of my taxes, employment insurance, health coverage, Canada Pension Plan and so on.

You may be taxed slightly less at that scale, but it's probably made up for at the end of the month when you pay for health insurance, ain't it? Most families I know in the states paid at least $1,400 per month for insurance... Which is a second mortgage on top of their tax burden. I would like to hear what your situation is. I'm just curious and want to exchange information here. My only problem with your health care system is that it seems like you guys are getting fucking gouged.

He looks like a fucking zombie

>>135279133
The fundamentals are right. If we were in a position where we were on the hook for our own defense and we had an aggressive neighbor like Russia, China, North Korea or even the United States on a bad day, we wouldn't be throwing money at frivolity... We'd gank probably a hundred million from Healthcare and other sources and start conscription.

>>135283438
The medical industry charges more because they can. No one does anything about it, they barely even talk about it, but that's the main problem with healthcare in America.

>>135276751
He's a giant asshole. He was a giant asshole as a military officer. He got shot down and captured, and kept being a giant asshole to the North Vietnamese. This was later seen as heroism, but he was just being true to his nature. Then he ran for Congress, and he's been a giant asshole there ever since.

>>135279036
Our health care is fine, faggot.

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>>135281479

>there are no rich people who need medical services

>>135279675
This right here is the biggest reason why the US will never have single payer only Healthcare.

>>135282184

It's not an infringement at all. No one's saying prevent private insurance from existing. What are you talking about?

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>>135283812
We spend 50% of our provincial budgets on healthcare. It doesnt cover many things, like dental. There are long, long waits. If you want an MRI for example its like 6 months, people die of cancer for lack of treatment. Just look up Brock Lesnars ordeal when he had a gut infection and they almost let him die for lack of a diagnosis. Went to the US, was sorted in like 1 hour.

>>135278378
>Nice rationalization.
Oh the ironing.

>>135283936
which is why they want to repeal it

the replace part is a joke, they never once thought about it for 7 years and 500 votes to repeal

if the rich dont need it, no one else does either

america is of by and for the rich only

freedom is just for the rich

>>135283936
So only the rich? The middle class would just have to wait weeks in a hospital to be seen?

I got Crohn's here, and ended up getting all my tests done in 3 days. CT scan, Colonoscopy and got my first Remicade infusion a day later.

If I went to some government owned hospital, probably would've died from a stricture.

>>135280709
In Canada a general practitioner can easily pull $400k without trying too hard. Specialists make two to three times that amount. They're having a hard time getting general practitioners because it is so lucrative to specialize and there is tremendous pressure to do so.

The insurance is single payer, but doctors can still maintain their own practices.

>>135276751
Is being a far better American than most including the President a problem?

>>135276751

I don't understand every aspect of US politics, but if this fucker votes against his own party, doesn't that make him a traitor?

Traitors should hang.

>>135284114
>Access
>Equity

Really gets the noggin joggin.

>>135279092
Then explain Europe

>>135284278
Doctors are salary capped at like 125k in Canada. Youre full of shit. They are capped for how many hours they can work, its why we have a doctor shortage. They stop working after X hours because they aren't allowed overtime by law. This tends to also leave us with a skill shortage, compared to the US.

>>135277451
Wanna hear about socialized healthcare? It means I pay a shitload of money in and still have to wait a fucking month to see a fucking dermatologist. I can't get dental because only hacks work in public healthcare, I have to wait a few months to see an ophthalmologist and then pay a handsome sum to get fucking glasses.

If, instead, they let me keep my money I currently give monthly for healthcare, I could've done all of the above in a fucking week and still have plenty of money left over. The problem of americans is that they're fucking unable to save money. Open a fucking account and put in 5% of your pay every month for health costs. Voila.

>>135283730
This. Medicare part D was a mistake.

>>135284576

I partially agree, but this won't help you cover major issues like life threatening diseases or surgeries.

5% of your salary might be enough to buy health insurance, but not enough to pay for the cost of health care in itself.

>>135284465
Yes and no.

The party system typically have whips that corral party members into voting for the parties interest.

The problem is that the country is massive and diverse enough that often the interests of the individual run against the interests of the country. For instance, with this healthcare bill die-hard red states want it replaced with nothing; just go back to 2007. Swing states want it replaced with something because those senators might very well lose their re-election if this goes tits up.

So, essentially, loyalty to self > loyalty to state/constituency > loyalty to party

>>135284544
>>135284278

>Orthopedic surgeons in Canada make less than half the $440,000 average net income of colleagues in the States while doing more procedures, two U.S. health-policy professors concluded in one of the most detailed looks yet at the differences in doctor compensation between nations.

SURGEONS
LESS THAN HALF THE 440 US AVERAGE
LESS THAN HALF OF WHAT THE US PAYS

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>>135276751
pic related

>>135283730
At a personal level... How much do you lose to taxes and how much do you lose to health insurance? If a guy making as much as I am is getting taxed at a nearly identical rate and then paying out $1,400 per month on insurance... He's not doing better than me is he? The insurance is simply deferred from income tax collection to a health insurance provider. If a guy making what I am taxed the same, is paying a similar mortgage to me and then, on top of it all, has to pay out a second mortgage every month... Would that mean that the average American family is in better or worse shape than the average Canadian?

I am curious about the numbers.

>>135284850

Thank you for clearing that up. This basically just confirms that all politicians can't be trusted, as I see the same kind of traitorous shit here in Norway.

Time for a new 1776?

>>135279092
No, the point is that it shouldn't be the government's job

It creates perverse incentives and weakens the nation

>>135285018
Nah, 1776 will not commence again for a while because they are not trying to take our guns at the moment.

>Politicians can't be trusted
Well, yeah, but they can be expected to go for their own interest. And why should the politician be party line rather than state line? The state is who they are actually supposed to represent.

>>135276751
Chronic retardation.

>>135284114
>Canadian Healthcare still ranked better than US.
>Is cheaper.
>Doesn't compete with nations that have been running deficit budgets for decades.
>Doesn't compete with nations that are on the verge of complete economic melt down.

My almonds are activated as fuck... It's almost as if our health care systems in North America are sustainable.

>>135280091
kys, libtard

>>135276751
What's with the scar? Did they take out the brain tumor through his eyebrow?

>>135284804
Well I'm sure there are policies which enable you to put aside more money if you want those things covered. I said 5% just to cover the basic stuff. I currently give 20% of my total salary before taxes. And for that I get all that shit I said. And the worst part is that if I want anything done, I still have to go to private practice doctors and pay cash.

>>135284544
Oh sweetie...

The Chinese mafia injure the Left eye to keep their puppets in line. Just a warning. Do some interesting research and see how many black left eyes there have been amongst the elected blackmailed puppets.

>>135284851
I guess I'll tell my wife to return all her income... Because some Nazi larper on the Internet Googled something.

>>135278628

I don't insure my home, nigger (since it's paid for). And if it weren't for the fucking jew laws, I wouldn't have car insurance either.

If the motherfucker burns down, it burns down. That's life. You rebuild and keep going.

>>135284851
Yeah this is what I mean by perverse incentives

When you don't reward people for hard work, they either don't work hard or go to work somewhere they are rewarded

>>135279033
Kys

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>>135284995
What I was saying is that it doesn't matter whether you're paying through taxes or to an insurance company because of how much the Healthcare Industry charges here in America.

https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine/2014/11/it-is-time-to-get-mad-about-the-outrageous-cost-of-health-care/index.htm

>>135276751
he's being bought.

>>135285879
You are the dumbest fucking retarded faggot in this thread. Home insurance costs next to nothing.

>>135276751
He was captured.

>>135284465
Or maybe the party fighting to force through a bill 90% of the electorate are against are the traitors. McCain is one of few Republicans with some fucking morals.

>>135279246
>being this incredibly retarded
To maintain Pax Americana, look it up, the current military funding is necessary. Also, China and Russia aren't allies to USA. And even if they were, you'd still not want to let your guard down.

>>135277024
>pottery
>talking shit about McCain

You know not what you do

>>135286005
I just want to know how much your are paying as a percentage of your income every month in taxes and Healthcare, dude. Because the fundamental argument between Canada and the US when it comes to anything is my socialist sky high taxes... So I just want to put it to bed. Who is paying more, you or me?

>>135277456
Takes away forced, expensive, useless, healthcare that no one wants.

>>135276984
Awww, you want more government health care??

Libtard.

>>135280067
>But the bandaid needs to get ripped off at some point.
No, the states don't need your socialist poison. The free market provides better care than the substandard garbage that is offered in Sweden. I don't really like to wait for 3-4 months to see a specialist. In a free structure, there's also no rationing like in socialized societies.

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>>135286257

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>>135286257
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>>135276751
>What the fuck is his problem?
brain cancer

It's always this way. Four to eight years of Republicans fucking things up, and then the Democrats have to come in and act like adults and make tough choices. Inevitably the Republicans make short-sighted but popular moves that briefly stimulate the economy, while setting the stage for massive corruption and corporate abuse. Once we reach the breaking point people finally elect a Democrat, and the country slowly steers itself back in the right direction. Then, the collective memory of the masses evaporates, and they get sold on the lie that change is good, no matter what that change actually means. Rinse and repeat . . .

>>135276751
Just proves that we had no choice in 2008. I believed McCain when he said Obama wasn't a Muslim.

>>135286807
Nice response. On average, I get to keep $10,000 more of my hard earned dollars every year than my American contemporary... Because I am not paying a fucking entire mortgage on top of my fucking taxes. Your health care is expensive as fuck, the fucking requirements are God damn onerous and you dumb niggers are getting nickel and dimed to fucking death.

You can keep posting your gay little graphs... But "socialist" Canadians keep more money than you.

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>>135287075
>Then, the collective memory of the masses evaporates, and they get sold on the lie that change is good, no matter what that change actually means.

Really makes you think

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>>135276751
Heads I win......tails I win

>>135287075
lol the fact that you think Democrats OR Republicans proves you are a useful sheep..
>no im not talking about reptilians
>no im not talking about the Illuminati.
>hur dur obama cares about me
>meanie drumpf wants to take my democratic progresss
>hurr durr

>>135276751
He's an old bitterman and doesn't give a shit about anything

he spent his life selling out

>>135277451
How to intensify your debt, a guide by a leaf.

>>135276751
>get treated like shit by the president
>drop trow and go indian style all over the one thing he's even halfway close to succeeding at, because you won't need to deal with anything much longer

pretty alpha imo

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Wtf I'm an insurance company shill now!

>>135286257
You're going to get a different answer for that from everyone you talk to. Different prices if you're single, married, or have a family, what company you work for, if you want to pay for vision or dental, if you get brand name medicine vs generic, or if you go to a brand name hospital, what doctor you see, your geographic location, and the list goes on and on. You can pay hardly for anything for healthcare here whereas someone who wants premium services will pay more. The choices are what's being taken away and they'll just raise our taxes when they inevitably mismanage it.

>>135279524
This. He probably didn't even know where he was or what he was voting for.

>>135277456
This gets me hard. Millions of useless leftists losing their healthcare.

>>135276857
tbqh pol isn't really a place where winners gather

>>135287260
lol enjoy your wait times. Healthcare is so expensive in the us because of corrupt politicians in dc selling influence to big pharma.
Its not different then why we waste trillions in the desert and why we destroy countries in the middle east. Our politicians vote for policies that make BIG MONEY rich. Democrats or Republicans.
>http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/07/06/rand-pauls-reform-proposal-could-revolutionize-u-s-health-care.html

>>135284096
Single payer insurance requires 100% participation by the tax payers to be funded. By nature of a single payer insurance you wouldn't have competition from the private industry except in maybe a supplemental sense.

>>135287972
thats the thing thou

most of those who lose their coverage are republican

>>135288367
>niggers and fat fucks are most of the republicans
Let them die.

>>135288367
They never wanted that coverage, they were forced to pay for it with Obamacare

>>135287750
Thank goodness for mandatory health insurance clause! Just like the Epi pen jumping to 500 dollars when it became mandatory for health facilities and offices to have them.

>>135277635
>>135277707
>>135280091
He's right.
You're using number of people covered as a metric, and the individual mandate requires people to buy healthcare even if they don't want it.
Of course you get more coverage if you enforce it by law, but not everybody wants it.
More people have insurance if you force them to buy insurance, but that's not a good thing, because they best know how to spend their money

>>135282184
>>135282184

We don't have a free market for healthcare. We have a mix, which is why premiums are always rising. Government pays for the cost. So the only solution to this is to either give the government complete control or to remove government from the market and let the free market control prices.

>>135288631
Doesn't BOcare heavily taxes the healthy people, so it could cover fat and poor people?

>>135276751
he needs to die lets meme his death as a sacrifice for Kek
>kek make his cancer cause a massive seizure in his brain and kill him instantly we ask of thee and pay yee with these digits

>>135276751
they removed parts of his brain, and now he's voting like a democrat. 'nuff said.

>>135288331
how cucked can you possibly be by your corporate overlords.

you pay more than the rest of the western world. and while everyone else gets universal healthcare, you get to pay even more on top.

i swear americans are the dumbest people in the world.

>>135287750
Wow, it's almost they continued their exponential growth after the 2008 dive. What an eye opener.

>>135288367
Obama care only helped super poor people. It hurts everyone else. They should have just called it what it was; Tax anyone with money so Jamal can get Advil.

>>135279605
>NANOMACHINES

What we need to to start shooting for Universal Health Care instead of this nonsense.

>>135276751
Why are you focusing on him? 3 other repubs also voted no.

>>135276792
newfag

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>>135276751

no problem, a brilliant maneuver to backstab the old queen mitch mcconnell who has spent 50 years backstabbing everyone of his colleagues

>>135288736
Yeah basically

It forces people who didn't even want it (or need it) to pay for it

>>135277277
It wouldn't be taken away they would voluntarily give it up. If they need it they can still purchase it at the normal price since the proposed plan doesn't get rid of the ban on discriminating based on preexisting conditions.

>>135288850
or maybe he, like so many others when faced with their imminent demise, is actually worried about any so called afterlife

maybe some of the choices he has made throughout his career is catching up with him

>>135288932
The true measure of any society can be found in how it treats its most vulnerable members

>>135288893
Recovering from a "dive" =/= skyrocketing through the stratosphere

Wow, it's like Ocare made it mandatory to give your money to a couple of companies to "cover" your ass, even though if you have a healthy life and don't inject mountain dew in your veins, you wouldn't fucking need it.
Amerifats need more sport, not a single-payer.

>>135277451
Kys retard

>>135289194
>The true measure of any society can be found in how it treats its most vulnerable members
"Let's bash the majority so we could appease to the 0,1 minority!"

>>135289194
>The true measure of any society can be found in how it treats its most vulnerable members

You can't be serious.

Any society that focuses on coddling the weak and stupid, will soon be taken over by a society that values strength and power.

>>135289034
yeah but the others were women so who fucking cares? we already knew they were dead weight.

>>135277707
You dumb faggot. Billy Bob doesn't dig coal out of his backyard. He works for a major mining company that dig the coal out of a giant pit the size of five football Fields deep and wide or in caves that can go on longer than some cities. These companies provided health insurance for a long long time. well before the ACA ever came around.

The only reason Billy Bob would need Obamacare is because coal was banned by king nigger and lost his mining job.

>>135288932
That's not true. It helped them when it first came out because it was so cheap that they could afford it. But over the course of months the cost kept rising to the point that some couldn't afford it anymore, and then get penalized. I expect that trend to continue, especially whenever the Dems get back in office.

>>135277635
And you are so far up your own ass because you don't realize that people don't go to those other first world countries with single payer for their amazing healthcare, they come here.

>>135288874

The vast, vast majority of all Americans have health insurance and are completely happy with it. Obamacare was designed to fuck with everyone's shit just to cover the bottom 30 million Americans and Americans that didn't want to pay for insurance.

So they're shitting on everyone just to help 10% of the country.

>>135284236

Delays in care aren't inherent to single payer systems. In Japan I had no problem getting in to see a doctor, and I was a lowly foreigner.

>>135289194
>The true measure of any society can be found in how it treats its most vulnerable members
That's a meme. The measure is how well off the most disadvantaged are not how you treat them. Also giving free shit to poor people creates more poor people.

>>135289643

Obamacare was intentionally designed that way and it was designed to be unsustainable so that democrats can force the singlepayer issue.

>>135284576

I'm in America and doctors being booked up for months is not uncommon. Especially for specialists. My mom has a neurological disorder and has to go to specialists sometimes and it's normal to have to make the appointment for like three months in advance.

>>135288874
Do you pay for supplemental insurance? I stated the insurance industry being subsidized by the government goes entirely against the free market. We also are the most diverse healthcare market with a population much larger than your country. It's not so simple.

>>135276751
he literally looks like a damaged super villain

>>135277079
>>135277753
>>135278378
When I see responses like this I automatically assume the other guy won the argument :)

>>135276751

So he's full blown supervillain now, cool.

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>>135276751
Tokyo Rose is doing what he has been instructed to do by his overlord.

>>135289434
they did not chose their position

handicapped does not chose to be handicapped, poor people does not chose to be poor

to create a better society, all the parts of society needs to improve. People is society.

>>135289511
like the soviet union and the 3rd reich?

>>135289776
yhea i'm sure you know a lot more about poverty than mahatma gandhi

>>135289281
I bet my right arsecheek that if you were to fit two time-shifted exponentials into the before-2008 and after-2008 area, you'd end up with the same growth rate.

Prove me wrong, nigger. It's clear that the company was doing just as well before Amerochimp took office.

>>135289856
I don't think the people who advocate for Obamacare understand what happened to the people who were actually on it or talked to multiple people over the course of when it was implemented until now. I'm sure there's a few people that were helped, but it did far more damage to everyone than they're willing to admit. More importantly, the lack of foresight is baffling. People who don't see that this will head to a single payer system is just lying to themselves.

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>>135277635
It would be very painful for you. Not me though so get fucked. ACA is way worse than the poor voting themselves bread. It's the non-contributors voting themselves services. At the expense of the contributors and providers. For the sake of themselves and those who profit off of it.

God fuck McCain I hate that motherfucker so much.

>>135290284

The societies we enjoy today was not created by socialism, it was created by capitalism. So far, socialism has proven to be unsustainable in every nation it's been tried in.

Can't wait until the Berniebros realize they have to pay for all the niggers that are born and die on welfare.

>>135277451
>hurr i have the right to physicians' labor

>>135282145
Fug

>>135276751
a crazy dude sets fire to a building for crazy people, it checks

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>>135290164
Or we have fun at the Leaf's expense. Because 99% of the time it's a shitpost.

>>135290284
Please.
If you are born poor, you can die rich.
It depends on the individual, not on the system.
And the cripple have special healthcare coverage, not the normal. (I could be wrong tho, I'm not 100% sure)
I'm all for a better healthcare which DOES NOT taxes the middle class, the one that moves the economy of the country.

>>135276751
>What the fuck is his problem?
He was an awful naval officer.
It embarrassed his father deeply, and he knew it.
Everything else springs from that.

>>135290556
Fucking niggerdick. Even 800 is craploads for basic healthcare.

I guess you can just switch to a cheaper provider, no?

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>>135290284
Yup. Communism, socialism, in all its forms will lead to a weakening of your country.

It creates perverse incentives where it's actually better to be weak and stupid because that's where your country is throwing all its money.

Amerilards should focus on affordability first and foremost, if shit was affordable in the first place, obamacare or single payer or even the pre-obamacare system wouldn't have fucking mattered.

You've got literally every arm of the medical industry gouging the shit out of eachother and customers which is now gouging the shit out of the government.

If you didn't have a completely FUCKED system in the first place where a bag of saline costs $300 bucks Obamacare would never have been tenable. But both your democucks and retardlicans are in the pocket of the medical industry so good fucking luck.

Retards.

>>135278378
How deep in denial can you be?

>>135276751
Cancer

>>135277277
>would take healthcare away
No, it would take away health insurance.

Healthcare =/= insurance

When you are sick, do you see a doctor or a health insurance company?

When you are looking for a healthcare payment scheme do you talk to your doctor or a health insurance company?

Health care = health CARE (like a doctor)

Health insurance = paying for a plan that MIGHT help you if you get sick.


Democrats fucking won health care because they successfully framed health care and insurance as the same thing. Republicans refuse to educate the American people so GOP plays by Dem rules.

>>135290876
>voting for McCain
HAhahaha, I bet Assad laughed his ass off when the news about McCain's cancer were announced.

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>>135291148
Say it me: Obamacare is here to stay!

>>135290542

The funniest thing is nobody is even talking about the other effects of Obamacare, like forcing employers to provide insurance for every employee that works 40 hours or more a week.

Guess what happens.

>>135276751

Usually when you disrespect people you are seeking something from..... They'll end up not helping you. Common sense

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>>135291250
Until it implodes

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>>135276751

>>135290907
When you see 300 dollars for saline, chances are it's Medicare/Medicaid. When private insurance pays the bill, it's not even close because they negotiate it. Government agencies pay outrageous prices for goods/services because they have limited oversight/bargaining. This is also why some insurance has preferred providers because they have already negotiated the lowest possible price.

>>135276857
This faggots want more disappointment and failure

>>135291483
you know that the image is fake and half of the list is accomplished, yes?

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A question to people working in hospitals: Who else has noticed an increase in healthcare workers, especially nurses, that are leaving or contimplating leaving directly because of Obamacare? People who paid a premium to go to a good university to get a job working for a premium hospital in a field that is now being flooded with bums and loser teens that can't stop ODing. We all equal now boys! Now get ready for the quality of your care to go down, even if you want to pay more.

>>135290907
This so much.

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>>135291396
Now that you are dead legislatively, the true republicans can come in after 2018 and clean this shit up. Your bunch is an embarrassment. You know it, i know it, even the dems know it. Get fucked faggot.

>>135276857
He's too busy working on the final solution death camps.

>>135291468

The point of everyone coming under a government healthcare system so they can negotiate a better deal for everyone.

Why is your country so cucked the reverse is happening?

>>135277451
We're not wrong, the rest of the world is!

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>>135291563
>the true republicans
Like McCain???

>>135290671
>socialism has proven to be unsustainable in every nation it's been tried in

northern europe would disagree

>>135290779
"can" is the key word here as the overwhelming majority of those who are born poor also die poor

>>135290878
poor does not equal stupid. To not help the poor is as immoral as it is a waste of unutilized resources

I'm not saying that they should be given money freely. Help can come in many different forms, and society has a right to demand something in return.

Let's help the weak and stupid become strong and smart

>>135277277

McConnell will probably tell stupid fucks that hey we tried, it's those fucking Democrats. Even though they have the majority

>>135290907
But muh free markets!

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>>135291730
yes like mccain

>thinking that trump isnt a jew

you will never win the argument about trump's jewness while he has a jew family, and a complete jew staff/advisors.

>>135277451

Damn pol bail the fuck out. Start thinking about how you're gonna have act like a Normie for probably the rest of your lives. Trump was your last chance at getting that Wolfenstein future you wanted

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Trump is a jew

>>135276751
How has no one posted a faceapp of this?

>>135291815

America does not have a free market for healthcare. Retards like you only prove how communist the left is.

>liberals celebrate his brain cancer
>McCain votes to save Obamacare
>numerous articles today about how McCain still deserves to die for being a white male and 'LOOK AT THESE BRAVE WOMEN WHO ALSO VOTED NO REEEEEEEEEE'


Brain problems all around. Why shit on a person that helped you and why help a bunch of shitters that hope you die? At least McCain has an actual brain problem as an excuse.

>>135291992
>uses the trump jew argument as an insult
>while praising the biggest neocon in the senate- McCancer
Oh wow, what a schizo.

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>>135292166
Trump is a jew

>>135277456

Easy for you to say if you know no one who is gonna be ass out from hospitals and clinics. The government works for the people. Libertariaism is the dumbest shit ever.

>>135291740
>socialism has proven to be unsustainable in every nation it's been tried in
>Northern Europe would disagree
This meme needs to die already. Did you even take into consideration how much of your country Americans pay for? I'm going to work on a list to kill this meme because it's one of the most ignorant things I've seen spread.

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Glioblastoma multifiorme, the worst brain tumor.

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>>135291529
Would you mind pointing me to the specific house resolutions and executive orders where these were accomplished?

>>135292207
But wait, wasn't Trump literally Hitler?
Or a puppet of Bannon?
NO WAIT, he serves Putin and kremlin.
Right.
But wasn't he also racist?

>>135277830

Okay what about the future when you're an old man and suffering from serious shit like maybe cancer? And your savings account is pathetic

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>>135276857
Hes done all he can legally, he doesnt create laws dumbass.
>God you shills are just wasting your time, do ya know that? We aint reddit, we know things here

>>135291547
>paid a premium to go to a good university
>leaving the field

I know Americans like to live on the seat of their pants but that sounds like one risky maneuver

>>135277846

I remember before Nov 2016 this place has Hillary supporters and Bernie supporters. Then after pol just became pure maga Seth rich bullshit

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>>135285362
>(((ranked better)))

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>>135276751

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>>135292438
>Being this assblasted, you become incoherent

Holy shit dude i know i struck nerve about that jew trump, but get it together you arent making any sense.

>>135278120


Fuck off pol, I wanna be racist with people who understand Trump is a dumb fool

>>135292280
How much does Americans pay for?

>>135292500

I thought he was supposed to be some master deal-maker. What happened to the Art of the Deal?

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>>135292720
>haha, just because English is not your mother tongue, you are assblasted

Scumbag filth. The sick fuck.

If McCain was elected to POTUS in 2008, odds on him staying for 8.
Under stress of being president, health issues would worsen, and he would most likely have had this brain tumour issues to the nth degree by 2016.

We really dodged a bullet.

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>>135276751
>John McBane
>mfw he reveals that he's been a democrat the whole time right before dying of brain cancer

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>>135276857
>>135292306
.

>>135292883
Weren't points 4 and 5 from "Rule of Law" already done?

>>135291616
>(((for everybody)))

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>>135292894
>I'm not even talking to an american

whelp, suddenly your opinion has become irrelevant. Come back when your country is the greatest place on earth.

Should be working right now to pick your country up, not here being incoherent. you dirty shitskin nigger.

>>135276751
He owned you, simple as that.

Republicans have a president, two houses and seven years to make a better healthcare and have done nothing.

How the hell can you still not achieve this? It's utterly laughable. Trump have done nothing in the past 6 months, all twitter talk, no action.

>>135278724

We got to tax our rich, they're the reason pol sounded much smarter than the actual politicians they defend

>>135292521
Ill put it this way, it's rare that I find a nurse that's happy with their profession. Most of them go into the field with stars in their eyes thinking they're going to help people and save lives. The reality is that it's nothing like that. They're bogged down with paper work, bossed around by asshole doctors (not all), and deal with shitty patients all day. They have a lot of responsibility and liability yet don't get paid accordingly. Whenever admin wants to increase profits, guess who gets the workload after they fire people and destroy departments? That happens even in good hospitals. Now add in the influx of bums, drug addicts, shitkickers as well as their retarded families that get in the way and try to steal things. I don't blame them for leaving.

>>135292655
Jesus

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>>135293148
>ameritard thinks his nigger-spic melting pot is the greatest place on the world

>>135276901

We're getting the point where being a "shill" makes you look like the smart one in every argument.

Without healthcare, Tax Reform is going to be almost impossible without spending BILLIONS the country doesn't have.

Trump won't give a shit, he'd rob the country blind and so will most of his Goldman Sachs cabinet.

But Congress is never going to do that. And Bannon's 40% thing is probably getting him openly mocked in the Republican cloak room in Congress.

Poor Trumpcucks didn't realize without Congress on his side, Trump is literally nothing.

Nothing.

A fucking nothing burger. Trump Presidency is a giant fucking nothing burger.

Trump supporters are better get used to being embarrassed. It's gonna be a rough 4 years...

>>135293316
Good thing we don't care what you think

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>>135293171
No president in history has done so much in so little time.

>>135278786
Weak fucking argument. You stupid cunt.

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>>135293313
>drops the meme flag becomes bulgarian

how fucking embarrassing for you, holy shit what a faggot

AHHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA *breathes in* AHHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA

>>135293316
>reddit spacing
Anon, more efforts when you are shilling are required.
I know you are both an american and a dem, but come on.

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>>135276751
Did he flip a coin to decide how he would vote?

>>135278976
Tells you something about Trump's presidency. This wannabe politician is drowning in the deep end of the pool

>>135293463
He has done none of this. The pipeline gives few jobs, the wall has not even started, the Mexican trade deal loses money for American companies, healthcare bill failed again and economy benefits and jobs were due to Obama as the statistics.