Was Communism ever properly implemented?

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>>135261839
>goommies :DDD

>>135261839
right off the bat you run into the price control problem, that is not to say marx's uninformed and asinine assumptions like the whole surplus value thing

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>have not accurately reflected his ideas.
But it's okay because it wasn't real marxism

>>135261839
The USSR implemented every point of the Communist Manifesto.

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>>135261839
The problem starts already with the mere ideal of equality. Because it goes against reality and nature. So you need a powerful instance to enforce equality. And since it has to be in all aspects of life, it has to be totalitarian. So the ideal of equality on its own leads straight to totalitarian dictatorship. With or without Marx, with or without Stalin and Mao. The ideal itself is bad. Most if not anything that goes against reality and nature is bad.

That's because communism is inherently incompatible with human civilization.
No way around it. It's only a pipe dream utopia for lunatics.

Communism is the ideology of the mediocre.

The only time that communism could arguably be "done right" is in the far future. We would need something akin to Star Trek replicator tech, some form of stable fusion(or some currently unknown more energy dense system), and a robots that can do 100% of work typically considered grunt work.

"Communism" could exist in such a future, but at that point it would be more apt to call it Technocratic Aristocracy. Upside is that instead of making everyone the proletariat like contemporary communism we could all be the bourgeois.

>>135261839

Communism is an attempt to stich the ass up. Excrements start to flow through other holes.

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>>135261839
Please go die

>>135261839
Fuck off with your starvation ideology

Has anyone ever met a commie who wasn't a complete loser?

>>135261839
The stateless, classless, moneyless communism has not been tried for all of the obvious reasons which also make its implementation impossible.

State communism, as was the case with the soviets, chinese etc has been attempted and it is a disastrous failure in comparison to democracies and fascists nations.

>>135261839
No. Do you think the people who tried to implement it were stupid? The closer you get to 'real' communism the faster it fails. Watch some zizek, even he admits that people inherently need a 'master'. In particular the proletarian, they are incapable of organising a revolution let alone social structure

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>>135261839
It is absolutely the case that there has never been real Communism.
Because there can't be real Communism.
Communism isn't real. What it talks about isn't real. Nothing it describes is reflective of reality and Communist countries uniformly impose the suppression of open discussion of reality for the very exact reason that it is diametrically opposed to Communism.

The idea of a "leader" seems to go against it from the start.

>>135261839
>Was Communism ever properly implemented?
Yes.

>However, I have also heard that all real-world implementations of Marxist principles have not accurately reflected his ideas
This is theory vs real life question. It got corrections to IRL conditions due to unaccounted in the theory factors (like labor theory of value been false and dangers of authoritarian power concentration).

The infinite problem with communism is that you can never get rid of "classes". There will always be commissars in charge of rationing everything, they will skim off of the top, as well as there superiors who will take a taste as well as lie about things just to keep the sheeple happy.

You always wind up with an amorphous bureaucracy that's never accountable for anything and any mistakes they make in calculating the well being of the prole will be blamed on something that has nothing to do with it.

TLDR Gommunism goes against human nature

>>135264413
>The only time that communism could arguably be "done right" is in the far future. and a robots that can do 100% of work typically considered grunt work.
Communist theory says us that added value should belong to those who produce in this case - robots. Humans become mere parasites, neo bourgeois class that would be removed by new proletariat revolution. It is natural order of things, increasing efficiency and removing unnecessary parasites from society. Communism is eternal labor. No rest for the wicked.

>>135261839
You can be a communist any time you want. Give everything you own to the government then starve to death.

>>135261839
No and it won't be bc of the human nature that Marx ignored

>>135264512
Tbf, I think most of reddit 'socialism' reddits etc. Are mostly full of americans.

Americans COULD use some more socialism, looking at you healthcare. Other western countries like Sweden, France, Germany etc. HAVE a 'good' socialistic idea already. We don't want any more socialism.

>>135265526
>You can be a communist any time you want
Pls. Why so much sacrifices?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worker_cooperative
By your own will you could always switch to living under communism in the free society. Problems starts when communist force communism on non consenting people.

BTW it is good test for Communists who are more talk than deeds. If they don't organise worker cooperative and work there they are just empty mouths only talk.

>>135266263
Well I wouldn't go as far as "empty mouths" when it comes to the modern Communist but yeah

>>135261839
There is no individual property in communism and resources are allocated based on need. It's incompatible with human nature. A pipe dream of a deluded populist.

>>135261839
No.
Great idea, wrong species.

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>>135261839
Fuck off commie fag

>>135261839
>1 post with this ID

WHY DO YOU FAGGOTS KEEP FALLING FOR THIS??? SAGE AND REPORT