Ancap is the final solution

>>135254670
Sause on this qt in the pic

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Agreed
Also who needs roads when i can drive something similar to pic related
Im going to have a comfy castle and farms and drive around my trackcar to deliver goods to trade. Man life wou!d be so sweet.
Current state of wor!x is for PUSSSIES

You can`t have effective markets without some kind of monopoly on violence, therefor state apparatus is preferable to street gangs.

>>135255453
>Therefore
Broken logic. You're just stating something without any proof.
Tne world would change trastically. No more big cities
Man we have so much land around the world, city people would have to change their ways or perish through starvation.
>Violence
All you have to do is not violate the NAP. Is it so hard to understand you commie faggot?
Incase some violent gangs emerge, we noble people of trade will form a temporary military alliance and whipe you out and return to good old times.

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>>135254670
Yup National SOCIALISTS BTFO

>>135255853
Without collectively enforced rules(via monopoly ob violence) there would be no stability of laws nor rules of conduct when it comes to marketplace.

>>135255853
>no proof
you're going to make me bring up somalia aren't you
>inb4 niggers
even other african nations are laughing at somalia

>>135256257
Lynch law worked relatively well in the 1800s and early 1900s. Not perfectly, but there wasn't total chaos. Now that we have livestreaming cell phones everywhere, decentralized justice deserves to be given another chance.

>>135256535
>muh Somalia
A literal communist state engaged in civil war with radical Islamists, you stupid fuck. At least mention Kowloon Walled City or a free market zone in China or something.

>>135256257
Markets create and enforce their own rules through voluntarism.
A monopoly on violence means giving up your own rights and hope that the ones in charge never decide to use their monopoly of violence on you. As has happened to every commie country. Disarm the populace then oppress them.

Aesthetically unpleasing behavior is often more harmful to society than breach of NAP. Prove me wrong.

t. read Molyneux' UPB

>>135256548
Historically whenever state apparatus has collapsed it has always been replaced by qasi-state in order to create stability. Without it there would be constant state of war against all.

>>135256626
Rights are contemporary privileges graded by state or community not natural thing.

Imagine being that stupid that you didn't realise that helicopter rides were a NatSoc thing, that helicopters can't be built in your garage, and that even if you managed to somehow procure one you would quickly run out of ATF and then it would be just another piece of rusting junk in a failed Anarchy Capital shit hole.

>>135256257
>no stability
Sure thing. Thats the cost of freedom. Life wont be drinking starbucks and shitposting on reddit anymore. You gotta grow the food or build the trackcars, pump the water, defend your property ect. The NATURAL way of living isnt for betas.
>>135257057
Theres always the first time for everything.
>>135257157
>Muh rights
Sure thing mate. There would be no rights but the right to make your own rules on your own claimed property. We would still have fights and wars, sure thing. But no one but weak pussies would want the old ways of tax theft of jewish state policies

>>135257661
Would you be able to buy a helicopter and fuel if you got half the money you lost to income tax, VAT on everything you bought and other taxes over the years?

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if jews and shit die then i guess it's a cool ideology

ancap is unstable
there will be warlords who will install dictatorship

>>135258302
Warlords violate the NAP

>>135255453
I don't agree, plz sauce n prove. Gracias.

>>135257661
Someone would still make heli opters if there was a demand. Same with fuel
They would propably need materials for that.
So im making corn and chicken, trade that for raw helicopter materials and then drive my tracktruck to based copter builder, provide him with materials which he will use to make me a copter and i'll even throw in a tip of crispy chicken with corn that would ladt for many months
Latrer when i need fuel I would proceed as stated before

You have to understsnd what AnCap is about. Basement dwelling ners are going to die. Only men of trade and willpower will survvive. Rest can work on my premices for food

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>le people who aren't socialist enough are fedora virgin thread #77789

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>>135254670

>>135258302
Show me one nation with warlords where the right to bear arms is not infringed

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>>135254670
>When will you brainlets realize that it's literally impossible to debate Ancaps

yeah its like talking to a goat

>The only solution to your clear inferiority is helicopter rides

luckily you are hillariously incapable of achieving anything anywhere ad 2017

> muh freedom

oh joy morecwars in the middle east because in the end all the books on freedom amerikwa produces always amount to dying for Israel in faraway places

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read a single fucking book op.

go juck some billionaire jew elite dick

>>135258022
There is nothing natural about trackcars.
You are the reason why US should implement mandatory military conscription since freedom form duty apparatenly creates assholes who do not care about their organic communities.

>>135258302
Yes it will be unstabe. Thats what we want.
Warlords would violate NAP and honest ancapers would unite to kill them off then later return to based freedom and trading

Let me repeat that for you to make it clear: world peace will never happen whatever ideology you would follow. That is the natural way of the universe

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>>135258474
>positive liberties

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>1 post by this ID
"When -communism- ancap fails but it doesn't matter because it wasn't real ancap." The Thread

>>135258675
Whats not natural about it. Its made from metal which is natural. Natural as in the essence of living the life free from (((masters))). Dog eat dog world where instead of dogs are free men who understand the meaning of not violating the NAP
Anyone who doesnt understand this simple rule (even said by jesus himself) will simply die out

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The essence of this appears to be;

Socialists; "I can't create, therefore I must take and restrict"

Ancaps; "how can I create with you trying to take what I create and restrict me from following creative pursuits"

Why are socialists so scared of being left behind and missing out on the take? Isn't it just easier to put the energy and effort into something, dare I say.. productive?

Ancaps are hard people to herd and control, history is full of examples confirming this. It'd be easier to just about anything else

>>135258936
Metal does not appear out of natural conditions.
>>135259056
Wrong, socialism is about collective self-interests of the workers.

>>135256881
AnCaps will never address this criticism desu.

>>135259273
Just because its transmuted does not make it unnatural
You are missing the point, Im not talking about dirt and air, I'm talking about the nature of life- which is to live your life free of dictates of others, making your own rules while respecting others.
Like animals sort of but better because we have the power to create tools and communicate

>>135259273
Until the person/group controlling it behaves otherwise and then lies and says they're behaving in the interest of the collective.

Is your 'collective' being run in your interest/the peoples or is it being run in the interest of those controlling it? I'd say the latter is true of just about any developed country.

Looking at outcomes in the actual, not 'it could have been good if the government did x instead of y'

Theoretical is just confusing for me.

>>135259273
>Collective self-intrest of the workers
There would be no need for that if there was noone exploiting the workers.
In ancap world you can worm anywhere you want and if you feel your pay is unjust you can work for someone else and even better, do your own thing. There is so much land that could be worked. Overpopulation wouldn't be a problem because alot of people will die out in the beginning. Then the market will regulate itself.
Noone is saying it would be an comfortable life at beginning but you need to go through that. That is the natural way of life

>>135254670
Is "atlas shrugged" worth reading?

Quick rundown?

>>135259526
This is why we need trade unions and workers councils.
>>135260002
Long as the freedom of association in format of trade unions is protected and workers are free to form their own militias to safeguard their wages and unions I don`t see an issue with abolishing of state.

>>135260346
Nah its a storybook.
Reading fantasy is waste of time.

>>135256881
>>135259414
(you)

Aesthetics are subjective, and impossible to ethically enforce by violence.

>>135260414
You're allowed to do everything as long as you do not vioalate the non-agression principle
Companies, associations, unions are welcome but you never violate NAP or you will be killed

In an ancap society, humans would return to the natural state of violence and theft. No one would follow the NAP, as crime is preferable to starvation, and since everything is run on money, lots of people would starve. Huge criminal networks would form, rendering your "militia" null. Most people wouldn't be able to afford it anyways. Society as a whole needs the social contract and a strict hierarchic society to function on a higher level than primates, something that is only achievable in a monarchy or other form of autocracy. Democracy can work too, but isn't preferable, as it gives power to the dumb and uninformed masses and enables mob rule

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>>135260346
Read 'Democracy: the God that Failed"

http://www.riosmauricio.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Hoppe_Democracy_The_God_That_Failed.pdf

>>135258675
Most people would benefit from compulsory military service

>>135260731
There has been violence, theft, crime in every known system in history. Why would acap be worse. People would be free to do what ever they want. Money had no place in this world. Life would kinda be harder for pussy faggots but they will die out, isnt this what we all want?

>>135258677
Unite? Form some kind cohesive structure right? Possibly some kind of club where a fee would be levied?

>>135261133
No it would be a bunch of noble honest ancaps coming together with the common mission to kill the faggots and then shake on it and pat eachother backs, prolly make some good trade deals as well and then disperse

No, you just just can't have effective markets without violence to counteract disruptive violence. What stops violence now? A few police officers? Who's to say they couldn't provide the exact, identical service with a different name signed into their pay checks.

>>135261322
Thats right. Its called private security my friend

>>135261022
There has been violence and theft, but also people working to stop it, without the victim having to worry about paying up. Freedom is not desirable, when humans are as violent and egoistic as they are, complete freedom can only be achieved when humans change on a fundamental level. We need an authority figure to keep us in check and provide what we need for society to flourish. Tribalism and a return to the dark ages is not desirable, contrary to what ancaps tend to believe, with no citations and proof. A society where basic necessities come with a heavy price tag, and luxuries are all but unavailable is not desirable. We have achieved our lax lifestyle because of strong leaders making the decision, instead of mob rule and vile humans making their own egoistical decisions. Liberals and libertarians are well on track to destroy what we have achieved

If you're right, then the NAP would be less naturally less valuable than violent enforcement of certain aesthetic standards, and would correct itself. Right? People would just snap and start beating up trannies etc, and the public would understand, given that you're right.

If you mean architecture, that would just show through lower value, making it a wise investment for someone with good taste to remodel and flip.

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>>135260475
In many cases it is both objective AND possible to ethically enforce by violence, so your statement is incorrect. Pic related.

For example, it is ethical to kill one person to save many.

Advocating and spreading ideology of communism by lies is for example an aesthetically unpleasing/negative behavior, and not a breach of NAP, while it leads massive to breach of NAP. The issue with that is the following:

Voluntarism relies completely on the capacity, knowledge and will of the masses to remain in that state. For example, it is not breach of NAP that is holding us in statism, but Aesthetically Negative Behavior which acts through deceit of the masses, causing the breach of NAP.

The people engaging in ANB (in this example) are as responsible for the breach of NAP as those carrying out the deed, as they are it's root cause. For that reason it is not against NAP to kill those that do not acknowledge UPB. They are as much of a threat to you as someone holding a gun to your head, or a feral beast in your midst. The proof is that they are already taxing you (breaching NAP) or making others tax you, or killing you if you resist.

Therefore it is moral to kill those that engage in certain ANB even if they did not violate NAP themselves. Molyneux talks about this in his book, with reasonable expectations: Person holding a gun to your head did not breach NAP but it is reasonable to kill him due to expectations.

Since AnCap relies on the masses which are not in the mind/body/soul state required for it, Voluntarists must either admit that AnCap is not viable in here and now, or breach NAP against those engaging in ANB.

Therefore, breaching NAP against those engaging in ANB is not bad.

Refure this, AnCaps.

>>135254670

Only nap my friend. Or else ure being statist.

>>135260414
Our unions in Australia have become so part of the problem you could accurately describe them as just about anything and it'd fit

>A business
Yep, they live for profit

>Political lobby
They definitely are that

>Communist
Definitely fits, they're all about centralising control.

It seems ancaps and socialists could live side by side, you guys have your Fiat currency and regulations. We'll be out of your jurisdiction doing ancap things and the socialists can trade their Fiat currency for our produce.

I wonder which ideal camp would have immigration vs emigration..?

>>135261459
Let me give you an example how it goes.
You are a comfortable guy whos afraid to leave the safe-zone, right? I'm on the otherhand a get-my-hands-dirty make-it-done fellow. I have land on where I produce goods which I trade witn other people. You can work for me or work for someone else, your choice - free country. But i can also offer you protection and even hot latte and its all paid for with the work you do for me. I can be the authority if you want. But its not a state, you simply work for me from your own free wi!l and you can always leave if you feel im not treating you right. NAP still protects you and if I would be to violate it, others wou!d interfere

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>>135254670
this fucking thread/OP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apGoh8cN1mM

>>135260731
>humans would return to the natural state of violence and theft.

That's very black pilled and negative, hopefully not a reflection of your character..

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>>135260346
Yes read it, it will change your life.

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Thread theme:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFrBYI3Ntro

>>135258484
>When will you brainlets realize that it's literally impossible to debate Ancaps

Its because we are right.
Debating anti-ancaps is like talking to hipsters who cant let go of iphones and roads because bicycles

>>135254773
That's a long haired dude my man

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>>135262574
Pinochet is "Hitler for pussies afraid of being called a Nazi"

>>135262826
Pinochet is hitler for people that care to actually defend there rights are prepared to do anything to obtain it

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>>135262899
>for people that care to actually defend there rights
You drank the kike koolaid, kys normalcuck

>>135263166
Regardless of what Hitler or his party said, in Nazi Germany, the state controlled the substantive powers of ownership over the means to production (i.e. state control of capital).

>>135261926
It's a reflection of how society is running in near stateless nations, it's how I've perceived humanity, when humanity has been free. Humanity is shit, we're a bunch of animals, just smart ones at that. We've invented two things, we've invented society, and we've invented ways to kill eachother. That isn't traits of benevolent and loving beings, is it?

>>135261887
That just sounds like serfdom.

In ancap society, someone with more power than you will seize your freedom. Who's there to stop him? He'll just stomp out any opposition, since he is the strongest. That's the one thing I admire in ancap, it's a one way ticket to monarchism.

Just because someone is free, does not mean they do not aspire to take freedom from others. Why pay your workers when you can force them with might and take the entire cake to yourself?

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What happens when AI and 3D printers git gud enough to make WMDs and your garden variety /pol psycho is able to do significant damage?

How can we have decentralized trust? Cryptography some how? Nukes in general make the simple NAP too costly.. we need a better way to have mass trust but in a decentralized manner. What if we organized society into groups of about 120 so that everyone can be accountable?

>>135263166
WTF I HATE FREEDOM NOW

>>135254670

stop bullying hisperic

>>135263916
Yeugh, such an ugly photo.

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>>135263345
>the state controlled the substantive powers of ownership over the means to production (i.e. state control of capital).
Everything they say about /pol/tards is true, you're dumb as rocks.

>>135263916
Bitch looks like the cover of Megaman 1

>>135264063
>Yeugh, such an ugly photo.
Bet 100 euros you would fug her if you had the chance. Otherwise post pics of gf and timestamp.

>>135264158
Did I insult your waifu? The photo is still bad.

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>>135264229
Shes ok idk but youre just an example of try hard edgy wannabe contrarianism.

>>135263916
That's where neo-reactionism/dark enlightenment comes in. Disregard the racism and women hate, and you get a basis for an ancap society that I could actually support. Businesses work like cities, where the owner of the business is king and ruler. If the citizens/workers do not like the king/CEO, they simply pack up and move to another city/business. This encourages good rulership, freedom and acces to luxury, which in turn attracts more people and makes your business stronger

>>135264342
>neo-reactionism/dark enlightenment
duly noted

>Be me
>Be ancap
>Freedom is good mang
>How can i have more freedoms?
>Oh I know, lets enslave ourselves totally to money, that is freedom.

>>135264648
What about content creators that use patreon so that all they have to do is what they love?

>>135264893
Do you think those people are having a real good time with their lives?
Have you seen some of the anime memes being posted around here?
You know, the one where a artist says that now he only produces the animes that will bring in cash.

What is your point even?

>>135259494
You do realize that the natural condition of men is to form hierarchies correct? And you know what comes out of hierarchies? That's right: the state.
It is simply a fact that some men are born for leadership and others for servitude, both are necessary for men to live prosperously. I'm all for smaller localized governments, but don't tell me that you could ever avoid the creation of states. Truly a ridiculous notion.

>>135265134
We want a state that doesnt act like a state and is run by companies

>>135265134
This too. We are in need of protection and belonging. We write the social contract, giving up some of our freedom for safety and community

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This is now an ancap meme ball thread

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>>135265680
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>>135265512
>>135265479

>>135265312
And you need a gun pointed at you to do this?

You retards always with the some dumb as shit strawman, just because we don't want to be forced to "belong" doesn't mean we don't want to belong, it means we WANT TO CHOSE who we belong with.

>>135265075
So one jaded artist's bad experience wiht a particular platform is the end all be all truth when it comes to people's experience involving asking for money for content on the internet?

My point is that the market is so big and interconnected now that you could support yourself doing almost anything creative. There was a story not to long ago about a guy that made little wooden boat toys and sold them on ebay and was able to quit his job. If society decided to single handily outlaw currency and free trade then it would be next to impossible for independent content producers to support themselves.

I guess you could make the argument that people are slaves to the free market and currency but I can also make the argument that the free market and currency can be extremely liberating.

>>135265134
Of course there would be hierarchies. Just not a central state but trade and production entities that are seperated and not regulated.
No taxes, no government, no laws regulating production and trade. Individuals are free to leave a company aat any time. Only law is the no-agression principle. If said law is broken there will be conflict, which is also nature of the things.
Comfort-zone faggots either die or accept the state of things and pay for protection or work for it.
Nothing is permanent of course, everythung is transmuting to something else and yes, ancap will probably change into something else in time but that too is the nature of the universe.
But ancap would be the bridge between current shitty system to a better future dare i say it - utopia

Deal with it. Its goingto happen once society breaks down after ww3 or other cataclysmic event

>>135265207
>A state that doesn't act like a state
What does that even mean?
>run by companies
What obligations do these companies have to literally anyone or anything? They have no obligation to fulfill contracts, no obligation to minimize damages, no obligation to not enslave people. How in the actual fuck do you propose to instill trust within the various companies that is necessary for a market to function? It takes a few bad eggs to ruin the whole thing for everyone.

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>>135265825
this basically

On a related note I think one way to prove the viability of an cap would be to gather massive charity funds for a form of private welfare. That would really teach authoritarian libs a lesson.

>>135265890
>What does that even mean?
Decentralized authority. People are dumb and think that big centralized gubs like washington DC are something to be proud of but thats hella gay because they do dumb shit not everyone agrees with. But if there were many groups one could chose who they want to ally with so its like a kind of competitive market for authority.

>>135262771
Are u a nufag or are u just retard?

>>135254670
Idee you're pro-helicopter rides You aren't ancap You're hoppean at the worst.

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>>135254670

>>135266299
We have no problem becoming fully fascist to establish our Ideology

>>135265768
>When you create a strawman argument on the interment, violating the NAP, so the offended party traces your IP using GoogleTimeWarnerComcast™ IP backtrace and orders his McHitSquad to come kill you for 2 bitcoins, but he doesn't know that you live in a military compound and you kill the hitmen and he gets sued by McDonald's Defense Services™ and can't pay so they take him and his family, sell his children off as sex slaves, sell his wife to the local warlord, and put him to work in the McBurger™ family mines where you for from cholera because you can't afford to pay the camp medic for treatment.

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>>135266391
An cap doesnt have to happen over night, but the point is that there is no practical reason we shouldnt all try to cooperate in order to achieve less need for authority and to decentralize power structures. The problem is that it is not in government's interest to do so and politicians usually only serve to bloat up the fed and covince you that you need more rules to keep you safe from yourself but each law passed is a failure of society. An example is sugar. Libtards actually want to make buying candy as hard as buying tobacco or liquor but there are less atrocious and oppressive ways of changing society and helping people make better choices about their health.

>>135265879
So would you agree it's naturally within a company's interest to diversify it's products and services? Perhaps they start off as a steel mill for example, but realizing the benefits of having they're own mining operations they expand into that sector. Now this company is both a steel and mining company, but mining is hard labor. Realizing it's beneficial to them to have continually healthy well fed and happy miners they expand into agriculture, then healthcare, water treatment, etc etc on down the line. This company has requisitioned a number of others to get this going and they have a very diverse repertoire as you can see. However they realize that their expenditures are getting really high, especially with their miners, water filter specialists, etc. having families, so they decide that they're going to take a relatively small portion of every workers pay to help cover the costs of everything. And would you look at that you've created a State! Taxes included! Congrats AnCaps, that didn't take long!

>>135254670
>Nothing we can do will make you see the obvious.
hey kid, if ya have to DO or SHOW ANYONE, then it's not obvious.
Good luck in gym class

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hmm

>>135266420
Much rather achieve it through secession.

We need to get rid of the concept that the state can dictate policy and I doubt we'd achieve that if we used the state to impose our policy. There will be a generation later that will see these deeds and believe themselves legitimate to do the opposite to us.

That's the main issue I have with fascism, it does not eliminate the threat of time, the threat that anything you worked for, all the power you gathered, will be used against you in the same way, while contracts+private property in a decentralized enforcement manner does sustain itself.

We need segregation first, and then violence to defend our right to segregate. That's when the helicopters are required.

>>135259273
>Wrong, socialism is about collective self-interests of the workers.
A goal which you idiots pursue through theft and restrictions. How is anything he said wrong?

>>135266136
>competitive market of authority
My friend that is literally republicanism, something most western governments already have.

>>135266738
Closed borders is needed to protect private property

>>135267350
Yet the government intervenes in it, fucks up and blames it on capitalism

>>135254670
Leftypol isn't even trying at this point. They've got that thread up right now about how North Korea is BASED.

This is the most pathetic divide and conquer I've ever seen.

>>135267441
The government intervenes in itself?? You're rambling. Individual interests are what is fucking it up, I don't think anyone with half a brain would blame it on capitalism as a whole.

>>135267350
Then why does the republic only serve to increase the authority of its leaders? What I'm trying to say is that its in our best interest to try and work things out together without having to always get the big daddy government to step in, but like I already said its in the big daddy governments interest to rabble rouse and convince you that you need them.

>>135266713
Basically what you're claiming is that a company is so good at everything that they will be able to establish a dominant position on most economic sectors?

And then you make a huge leap in logic to establish that offering services and having inner organization somehow makes you a state?

Do you understand the difference between rape and sex? Yes, right?

So why don't you understand the difference between the organization within a private company and the state you utter moron?

>>135254670
I'd fug that qt trap

>>135267627
Individual self interest is what increases the power and authority of our leaders.
>its in the big daddy governments interest to rabble rouse and convince you that you need them.
>big daddy government
The thing about anarchists that always gets my goat is the fact that they separate the government from the people as if it's an entirely unrelated entity. You voted for these leaders, or you agreed to their victory by voting at all.

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>>135265768
Yeah literally can't strawman ancap. Nothing is absurd within it because the very premise of it is "anything goes." So, yeah, the trannie kid prostitutes taking bitcoin and recreational nukes are completely reasonable if you're not going to codify laws and rules of behavior or set limits on anything.

>>135268005
You don't understand the first thing about how it works. All the ancap memes are just fucking pathetic attempts at arguing with something that is able to be argued with

>>135267831
Do you even remotely understand the fact that a government is not inherently coercive? The only reason governments work is because they have the consent of those they rule over.

>>135268123
Whats the problem with child brothels if everyone consents? Why would that not be allowed and who has the authority to stop it? You're not a statist are you? You're not going to use force to stop someone from doing something you think is horrible are you?

>>135268291
This guy gets it

>(((anarchism)))

>>135267957
>people as if it's an entirely unrelated entity
Okay so then why do people stereotype the way corporations act ie. self serving? Governments across the planet have similarities despite which politicians get voted for. Obama seemed like jesus at first but then proceeded to pass laws enabling warrantless spying and detainment without due process among other atrocities.

>>135268345
About time for a snek to appear and lay down the law.

>>135268291
A child can't consent,pedophilia violates the NAP The private security will get you arrested for it if your reported

>>135268291
>Whats the problem with child brothels if everyone consents?
define consent. me, judges, juries, and white people in general define it as the decision being made by a grown brain
a child has an undergrown brain

>>135261599
>no response
Fucking kek
Ancapistanis truly are the scourge of /pol/.

>>135268420
Well because they are, they're just as much about helping along individual self interests as governments. It just so happens that they're better at it. That's up to the voters friend, I'm sorry to say. If the voters don't make a wise decision in leadership who they can trust for their word it's on them.

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>>135268532
I don't adhere to your definition of consent and this is my property. Now what? Whatcha gonna do?

>>135268291
Empower people through economic prosperity so it becomes extremely rare for parents to sell their kids into sex slavery. Alternatively make an alliance with your neigbors to chuck a view tomahawks into the brothel because they violated the NAP or something equivalent.

>>135254670
As long as you support a white ethnostate and strong moral values then we are good.

If you are a degenerate or non white you will hang from a lamppost like everyone else.

>>135268203
All of them?

If not, then it is coercive.

>>135261022
your nap "forces" would be useless versus many larver groups of thiefs and burglars /w weaponry.

>>135268634
>voters don't make a wise decision in leadership
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.. so much so that every politician elected thus far has been corrupted ABSOLUTELY. At some point it becomes in the people's self interest to start organizing unofficially in an effort to decentralize power and decrease government authority.

>>135268772
Woah pal, don't you know we're all ((civic nationalists)) here?

>>135268790
Then an even larger group wrekts their shit.

>>135268792
I don't disagree about your points on decentralized and small concentrations of power. I simply think you're misguided about which form that ought to take.

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>>135254670
Yes, it is. Look at this pic, we're all doomed.

>>135268969
>I simply think you're misguided about which form that ought to take.
Germany before unification? Maybe better.

>>135269105
Or the states under the articles of confederation. But that's the idea, yeah.

>>135268568
if he learnt to not reddit space and be concise I might of read it

>>135268636
Say that you bring your children to Nepal, where thousands of minors are being prostituted.

Will your government be able to do anything? Not unless you want them to invade Nepal, and even then, your government will have to offer them a solution, as just killing the pimps won't make them not starve.

There are millions of law frames in the world, coexisting in a somewhat peaceful manner thanks to segregation. There are injustices and really fucked up things in the world and we can do our share to try to prevent them but unless you planned to invade 90% of the world you will never have a total peace of mind.

So yeah, this child prostitution you claim already happens, and we do have states. So this problem is not exclusive to anarcho capitalism.

Now, trying to understand the incentives and environments under where child prostitution happen, anarcho capitalism deals with it better than other ideologies. Simply because:

a) Prostitution, specially children one, happens mostly due to poverty, which Capitalism reduces.

b) In the current world you need to invade Nepal, in ancapistan you just buy Nepal-like-city and set rules in a private way if you're bothered by other areas having child prostitution. Clear proprietor makes it easier.

c) In ancapistan parents would easily be able to select areas where their children can't be prostituted

d) In ancapistan children would be able to sue their parents for any economic damage they did on them by not taking proper care of their development as they would have access to insurances when they grow older.

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>>135270207
Unless they are sold to the McRapePlace© when they are babies.

>>135261599
>For example, it is not breach of NAP that is holding us in statism, but Aesthetically Negative Behavior which acts through deceit of the masses, causing the breach of NAP.

You could say the same about a complying kidnapped person. Coercion is a breach of the NAP and we are being coerced in order to hold us in statism.

>Therefore it is moral to kill those that engage in certain ANB even if they did not violate NAP themselves

The initial proportionate response would not be to kill those that engage in certain ANB but to segregate AND only kill once they use or encourage violence actively.

>Therefore, breaching NAP against those engaging in ANB is not bad.

We agree with this. But as I said, you should not McNuke someone for crossing your road without permission. Proportionality will be required within most private communities.

>>135268568
Perhaps because what he said is mostly in line with what we think?

>>135270541
And where is this local going to settle?

They won't be able to settle in private cities because its mere presence will drive property value to the floor.

In the end what you're suggesting is that they will need to settle within a Nepal-like lawless private area and spend tons in protection.

So the problem is exactly the same problem we have with Nepal.

The solution, and why anarcho capitalism deals with this more efficiently than the state, I already described it before.

>>135268568
It's impossible to argue with irrational people. Saying people should be gassed on something as trivial as aesthetics alone is irrational. I dont think it's ok to kill one person for the benefit of the many because it sacrifices ethics, morality, and objectivity.

>>135258936
>Its made from metal which is natural
no, it's not pigiron you dumb cunt, it's at least 20 different types of very specified steel produced with very capital intensive methods, then turned into parts with another set of highly precise machines, 3-4 types of oil, oil air filters that go into dozen or more, tyres, engine coolant, climatiation fluid, countless gaskets, windshields, electrical wireing and a computer, paints, grease, plastic

>>135275830
human beings are the sex organs of machines brainlet and the matrix we are in currently is the natural form of matter

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>>135254670
AnCaps are the new fedorafags.

>>135275830
i.e. you need economies of scale, huge firmsa stock market (you'd know it if you'd read Mises) and the most important: people that agree on property rights. That's why you don't have this sort of stuff in communist countries nor in countries with very low average IQ. You need a high trust society, preferably white.

>>135276085
omg it hurts, I'm dieing

>>135255853
The temporary military alliance will devolve into government.

>>135276155
Even Molymeme saw the light.

>>135276312
Because you understand the nature of reality, brainlet.

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>>135266654
>Thinks there's too much regulation
>Takes this idea to the most ridiculous extreme saying all government should be removed.

My window's broken. Guess I should burn down my house?

>>135262771
He said souse him up

>>135281157
read the first sentence of my post again

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Woah Maltabro is in this thread? How is Corax going my man?

>>135285146
I will go at 8 today as Im still working. Pity I missed the Liechtenstein talk by Andreas Kohl but other than that I will see everything.

What about this? Just spitballing here… but regular democratic republic with personal wealth restrictions? All industrialists can make as much money as they want but personal wealth is restricted and the rest must be reinvested into company resources, again up to limit and the balance beyond that into public infrastructure managed by elected management officials … can anons see problems with this idea

>>135286734
Okay glad to hear. Ask Hoppe if he knows about his memes (tell him to look himself up on YouTube) and whether or not he sees Trump as a source of hope. Maybe ask him his predictions about the future of the US.

>>135287757
Yeah the whole part about limiting personal wealth is gay and authoritarian.

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>>135260749
This.

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>>135286734
The fuck is Malta and portubro doing here? Oh wait it's an AnCap thread. wassap.

>>135288587
jesus christ i accidentally downloaded that pdf wtf.. democracy is gay though unless it's on a small scale

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>>135288844
>those digits

AnCap thread saved by Burgerbro

>>135289157
frogs dont belong in ancapistan

>>135290035
>Not recognising the AnCap dart frog mascot of /lrg/
What's wrong with kids these days?

>>135290309
>frogposters

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>>135288395
>Yeah the whole part about limiting personal wealth is gay and authoritarian
Yeah theres nothing about Ancap thats gay and unrealistic bro… how much wealth does a erson need fuckface? Ancap would end up being one big game of warlord monopoly, disputes will always arise…
Ancap, the ideology that leaves a country disorganized, defenceless and vulnerable to a well organized country of any type of political orientation… we tried Ancap thousands of years ago, we moved on.

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>>135254670
Didn't kwon that Anzu was an ancap

>>135254670
>impossible to debate
True, because all you can offer are circular argumentation and pipe dreams.
>haha, I'm so clever, ancap for everybody
But what if an organised nation state takes you over?
>haha, muh NAP, the market will fix it

>>135254670
Hoppe 'ancapism' in a homogeneous nationalist state is the ideal and anyone who disagrees is a shill desu

>>135291160
most young men on the internet are

>>135291301
>But what if an organised nation state takes you over?
>an "organized" nation could ever possibly take a nation with all its citizens armed to the teeth
>what is vietnam

>>135254670
I agree with most of ancap ideas. Except they don't have a plan that solves the mass unemployment problem caused for mass automation. If I'm mistaken please correct me.

>>135290929
>how much wealth does a erson need
Not for anyone to determine. And obviously I dont want anarchy in the streets all of a sudden but it's in our own self interest to try and start organizing ourselves without relying on traditional governments which have proved to be ABSOLUTELY CORRUPTING. And the whole well organized state thing taking over other states was tried in the early 1940s and didnt turn out so well. Any country with nukes or even suffecient manufacturing tech and drones can make a costly war not the fuck worth it.

>>135291764
I think ancap is an ideal to work towards not an optimal reality. I think there are some novel creative ways we can organize ourselves with crypto online that may prove to be the best solution in the future but we have to break the monopoly the globalist states have on the west first and we should probably do that peacefully also.

>>135291764
Nobody has a plan for that, I imagine in an ancap society people would boycott companies that use automation and exclusively support companies that hire people

>>135254670
Ancaps are as dumb as commies.
Maybe dumber, since you'll be paying for your helicopter rides.

>>135291764
The solution is stock ownership and reduction in hour of work plus earlier retirement, and it is the invisible hand solution.