Ask A Moderate Muslim

>>135239536
Why are you worshiping a semen covered degenerate?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfDYzY-shBA

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Kill yourself.

If Christ's gospel abrogated the Old Testament for Christians, do you think Muslims are in need of a similar reformation/reorganization that removes all the primitive violence/sexism/homophobia from Islam?

>>135239536
How fun is it to beat a woman?
It's illegal where I live.

>>135240339
>all the primitive violence/sexism/homophobia from Islam?

The removal of this from Christianity is what is causing it to die today.

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>>135239536
Serious question OP.

What are your thoughts on Petra and mecca? Why did early muslims pray in the direction of Petra and not your holy mecca?

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>>135239536
Which types of English Jews are haram or halal for consumption.

How do we wage jihad against the state of Israel.

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There's no such thing as a moderate Muslim. This is like a pedophile saying they're safe to be around because they haven't raped any kids yet.

What do you think about pagans ? What is the stance in the Coran about pagans ?

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Brother, How do you get these fucking pins out!!!!!! Takbihr!!

>>135240723
Dude wtf. In the past Muslims prayed towards Jerusalem is it was the Holy land. Then the Prophet changed to the Mecca.

>>135240823
Cannibalism is a great sin

Israel is protected by the US, so until the US is defeated, Israel can't be defeated.

>>135240907
By that logic there are no moderate Christians either since I don't see any stoning gays or killing adulterers, as the Old Testament commands (which Jesus approved and said not to change).

>>135239707
i love semen?

>>135239536
What does moderate even mean to you? That you won't personally be the one cutting our heads off, when the extremist ones will. When all of you outnumber us?

>>135241376
Moderate is any Muslim that isn't a fundamentalist and uses violence in the name of religion.

>>135241455
There are no countries that Christians aren't oppressed in, where the Muslims are a majority. Where are the moderates there?

>>135240723

bro i pray towards mecca

>>135241565
Yes, Lebanon.

>>135240823

fuck israel and this is a moderate saying it.

>>135241713
agreed

>>135241677
There are more lebanese people in the west than in lebanon

Why do you want other people to fight your jihad for you?

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>>135241247

You say this like anybody here is defending Christianity. Stop getting so triggered, reddit.

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Are any of these guys your buddy.

>>135239536
why don't yous totally wreck Isreal and forget about the west..I'd be grateful...pretty plz

>>135241809
You are correct, but in Lebanon Muslims are still a majority and the most powerful faction is Muslim (Shiites with Hezbollah) yet Hezbollah still works with and defends Christians from foreign terrorists.


>>135242099
I'm saying that because by your flawed logic, nobody belongs to any religion since nobody follows any religion to the very word.

>>135242203
Could you provide the context of that image pls?

>>135241713
You never answered my question

>135240339

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>>135241247
Not true at all

>>135239536
Do you actually pray fucking 5 times a day?

>>135239536
why do you still believe what you believe despite the overwhelming amount of evidence that all religions are a sham.

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>>135241660
That didn't answer my question.

>>135242233
Muslims already tried that in the past, it was a monumental failure as everybody realized that as long as Israel is propped up by the US and keeps taking American taxpayer money to fund it's military, it can't be defeated.

The only few legitimate threats to Israel like Hezbollah and Iran are demonized and the West takes very harsh measures against them. Basically, anybody brave enough to stand up to Israel gets stepped on so nobody really bothers anymore. Even Hamas and Fatah agreed to recognize Israel as a state.

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>>135242434

>Projecting

You gotta be pretending to be retarded, surely.

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>>135239536
Apologize for 9/11.

>>135242548
I don't like citing wikipedia but read this here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qibla

>>135242724
Yes, all Muslims have a duty to pray 5 times a day. It is one of the five basic tenants of Islam that all Muslims must obey to be considered Muslim.

>>135242752
Some people want to believe in God, and Islam is our religion for connecting with God. What is wrong with that? I think that even if you the teachings of religion to be ridiculous, you can still agree that many people need a God-figure in there lives to maintain hope.

>>135243121
>maintain hope

wtf does this mean, maintain hope in what? scared that you dont live on after you die?

>>135242756
now now..you'd think it would be easier to 9/11 Israel on a daily basis than it would be to 9/11 america even once

>>135239536
What does "Moderate Muslim" mean to you?

>>135242850
How is it projecting? It's the truth. I see this argument only used against Muslims (Hurr you don't kill all infidels? You're a fake Muslim!) meanwhile Christians get a pass (Durr you fuck and do drugs all the time? Well since you believe in Christ you're a real Christian!).

Bog off with your no true Scotsman fallacy

>>135239536
Don't u think it's strange that pushing Islam globally is exactly the prophecy in Christianity of being from the anti Christ? The ruler of this world is Satan, doesn't that make you skeptical?

>>135239536
The fact Islam is propped up and imported by Satanic cabals should be proof enough of Islam's true nature

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>>135243411

>Pseudo intellect

By tomorrow this thread will be long gone and the effort put into your posts void, never to be read again.

>>135239536
I am going to fuck a virgin arab girl that is visiting my country. I also make her not wear the hijab. What do you think about that?

>>135239536
Stop raping white girls.

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SAGE

>>135243248
I would be lying if I said that wasn't part of it, but there's much more to it. Many find it hard to believe that everything came into existence by chance and randomly, for us we believe that God is the reason for all of this.

>>135243279
Al Qaeda is a fucking sham and was created by the US. Remember Reagan gave over 20 billion $ to fund the Mujaheddin in Afghanistan, which later broke down and became Al Qaeda.

Nobody in the Muslim world respects Al Qaeda or ISIS. On the inside, we all want Israel gone, but we know these terrorist groups that kill only Muslims will never attack Israel, so don't count on it.

>>135243484
Not really, are you talking about refugees? The majority of refugees in the first half of the century were white Europeans. A good portion of refugees in the third quarter were Asians and South Americans running from war. Today it is the Middle East that is embroiled in war and has a refugee crisis.

Refugee crises always accompany wars.

Also, Islam also believes in the second coming of Jesus and that Jesus will help the Muslims fight against the force of Al Dajjal (The Antichrist). Look at the world today, US army and other Western armies are attacking and destroying the Middle East, you tell me exactly who's the forces of the Antichrist destroying the other?

>>135243892
Doesn't matter, if you've read it, that's good enough for me. Maybe next time you'll hesitate before repeating it, if you do so, my job would be done.

>>135239536
What do you think of apostates? Do you think they should die for insulting and making fun of islam?

Aren't Muslims slightly introspective in the fact that they are favoured by Satanists? Does that not set off alarm bells? Moreover, why don't they denounce the associations with the garbage or society?

>>135239536
Fuck, Marry, Kill: A goat, a chai boy, and a European woman.

>>135239536
How does it feel knowing you will be hanged on the day of the rope?

Why don't they shut down the automatic association with leftist types. Is it that they are welfare Queens and deceitful by nature? Not very principled.

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>>135239536
go to hell sand nigg

>>135244152
Rape is a monumental sin in Islam. Any form of sexual intercourse before marriage is a great sin. All "Muslims" that rape are going against the teachings of Islam and are thus not really Muslims.

It's not just the whole "rape" thing, so many other things have been associated to Islam (like honor killings) which are not part of the theology and are only cultural elements of the people, with these cultural elements existing long before the birth of the Prophet.

But no matter what I say you'll still go around saying rape is a part of Islam even though it can warrant a death sentence.

>>135244091
Good for you.

>>135244481
Apostates should just leave and be silent about it. There shouldn't be any violence towards them, provided they don't try to seek it themselves.

>>135244500
Why are satanists more common in Christian country? Hmmm, I wonder who the real satanists are...

Just kidding with you, I won't stoop down to your level. All three Abrahamic religion share a certain link, and to call one "satanic" would be insulting all three.

>>135244833
Muslims in the West are a minority and don't have a voice to defend themselves. Liberals in the West are the good guys that always stand up for the little guys (minorities) that can't really defend themselves against the possible wrath of the majority since they lack a voice to do so.

Sometimes leftists push it a bit too far and excuse unacceptable behavior by minorities, which I agree is bad, but overall they defend the rights of minorities as they always historically have.

>>135245220
So if you leave islam, talk shit and wipe your ass with the koran you deserve punishment...Just as I thought. Muslims are the most thin skinned religion.

We know about Taqiyya here. Your subversive tricks won't work.

I only tolerate muslims if they stay in their own land. If you're live in the fucking west you need to leave. Now. Trust me, this is me trying to help you

>>135245613
There is ALWAYS something you can do to piss someone off so badly that he beats you up. There is such a thing called "provocation" and some people do it intentionally to seek out violence with the other party.

Pretty sure if a Muslim went to a right-wing church in the US and started showing obscene images, forgive me for the language, like Jesus being anally done, then you can expect some sort of reaction. Same if I went to Hasidic Jews and started screaming "Elohim is not God" or some other shit that might trigger them.

Just don't be a douche, that's all. Is common decency too much to ask?

>>135239536
answer this >>135243390

>>135239536
Why do you pretend to be moderate? Why believe in such an obvious ploy of control.

>>135245986
Its called comedy dude. You humilate that which is ridiculous. Jesus getting anally raped has happened plenty of times.

>>135244500
Satanism is a bizarre offshot of Christianity- it's literally a protest religion. Almost not a religion at all- at least no more so than a parody religion. Or maybe a more contrary version of Protestantism? All said and done, though, Satanism still recognizes Christian concepts, even if they're being edgy, indulgent, etc... If you want to talk about LaVeyan satanism, that's sort of a philosophy more than a religion- and still reactionary to Christianity in particular. Just sayin'!

>>135245986
But that's why Muslims, Evangelical Christians and Hasidic Jews are considered retarded, because they think being provoked through insults is an excuse for a violent reaction. It's called weakness.

>>135245888
>We know about Taqiyya here

Why the fuck does this bullshit get passed around so much? Why is it that NONE of the people saying this word have never Googled it and sought out it's meaning?

1 second of Google

"Taqiya (Arabic: تقیة taqiyyah, literally "prudence, fear")[1][2] is an Islamic term which refers to precautionary dissimulation or denial of religious belief and practice in the face of persecution"

Keyword here is PERSECUTION. If you're not putting a sword to my neck and asking me if I'm a Muslim, then I am not being persecuted. But if you are putting a sword to my neck and telling me that if I admit I'm a Muslim I will be slain, then as per the Quran I have the right to deny my faith and claim I'm of another faith.

Another important thing to remember, Taqqiya is about DENIAL OF FAITH. If someone tells you he's a Muslim, he's not doing Taqqiya you idiots. God, through propaganda and brainwashing, you've completely changed the definition of the word to "justified lying in all circumstances". Why are YOU such dishonest liars like this? Why is your entire islamophobia based on lies and deception of others?

>I only tolerate muslims if they stay in their own land

lol no you don't. Why are you pretending Iraq didn't happen?

>>135246340
It's a peculiar topic. I feel like I should be outraged at people ridiculing or insulting my religion, but I see Christians and Jews tolerating it when it's done to them, and thus I'm of the opinion I shouldn't resort to violence either. Not everybody sees it that way.

It's a shit situation, both sides are stupid, the people provoking, and the people reacting. Why are US soldiers burning a Quran in Afghanistan? For what other purpose than to provoke Muslims? I think if you want to criticize Islam, you do it the right way through well-argumented criticism, not blatant provocation.

Better to see a Muslim humiliated in a debate than some cartoonist purposefully provoking outrage to get a certain reaction.

>>135239536
Is it fun stoning women to death for driving cars? I think it would be.

>>135247283
Islam is much more dangerous than nazism or communism to a civilization. Its unlikely that people we'll just stop believing in the legend of the sand gypsy. Islam in those places has to suffer a humiliating defeat from a historical context.

>>135247935
No it's not.

Islam during it's Golden Age was the most advanced civilization the world had ever seen. Baghdad, heart of the Caliphate, was the scientific and cultural center of the world. It housed the largest libraries in the world including the House of Wisdom, which was also the largest repository of knowledge in the world at that time. Baghdad was open to people of ALL faiths so that they could come and help develop science, philosophy, etc.

This type of Islam is what I wish for, but ever since the Mongols destroy Baghdad, we Muslims have lived in Dark Ages ever since, and we haven't contributed anything to humanity in over 800 years which is pathetic. That's the truth. I see oil as a curse for the Muslim world. If Southeast Asia can succeed, then why can't the Middle East once again? Oil and Israel is ruining everything. Westerners are an enigma for Muslims, we have so much to learn from white people, but we must also be wary of them and their fangs.

>>135239536
i accidentally my whole quran wat do?

>>135246519
Taqiyya, tawriya, kitman, and muruna. It's all the same. You have the practice of religious lies. We know this. We understand that whenever a muslim speaks to a non-muslim, you are lying.

And look at how you try to blame America (and more broadly, the West) for all the problems in the world as a way to deflect criticism of the actual islamic atrocities?

You fool no one, muzzie. You are pathetic.

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>>135248819
Oil built modernity, and all its miracles. It is no wonder that a scumsucking slime would hate it. Islam ruined the Middle East. It will never be great because it is full of muslims.

>>135248819
That ended in the 13th century its behind modern times. the course of human history is to improve upon itself. It was created a philosophy that was good enough for its time its a piece of shit compared to secular capitalistic societies. At least Christianity went thru a bazillion reformations to change with the times the koran hasnt changed since it was written in 900 AD which was like 200 years of the sandmans death. Its incapable of changing because that would be heresy which is why its particularly dangerous and idiotic more so than any other religion.

>>135249057
Well, what can I say? When I say things you want to hear, none of it is taqqiya. When I say things you don't want to hear, it's all taqqiya. Congrats, through your own lies and deception, you've created a weapon that only makes what you think is true to be valid.

Ok, I am doing Taqqiya? Then let me say this : All Muslims have a duty to kill all infidels.

Since I was lying, that's false then, wasn't it? Oops, you will never know will you? Fool, and you have the audacity to call the others pathetic.

>And look at how you try to blame America (and more broadly, the West) for all the problems in the world as a way to deflect criticism of the actual islamic atrocities?

When Muslim countries invade the West, drop hundreds of thousands of bombs on them, kill millions of civilians, destabilize entire countries and maintain flow of a certain resources, then you can come to me saying I'm deflecting blame, but until then, you should really learn about what's going on in the world and what has happened in the last 60 years.

>>135249386
>not all Muslims
>not all westerns
I can't even

>>135239536
>muslim
>moderate

toppest of keks

>>135248819
Islam during it's Golden Age was the greatest slaver the world had ever seen.
15 million black slaves and more than 2 million white slaves.
Almost all males castrated.

Slavery is an integral part of Islam.
Islam, which literally means 'submission'is an entire opprosive religion structured around the concept of slavery

>>135249274
That's just plain retarded, I don't even need to explain why the shit you're saying is on a whole other degree of retardation.

>>135249335
I agree it's behind modern times, but many Muslims want to advance forward and were always not only stopped by Muslim extremists, but by the West as well.

Think all Muslims want to remain Islamist extremists? Look at Ba'athism, it was supposed to be an Arab nationalistic and secular movement started without the help of anybody. Sure it wanted Arabs to hold Islam as a religion in their lives, but the state was secular and the founder of Ba'athism himself was Christian.

However the Middle East was never free from the claws of the US. Even right after WW2 we saw the overthrow of the democratically-elected neutral Mossadegh of Iran and was replaced with the pro-US dictator Shah. All throughout the Cold War the US waged a war against secular Arab regimes (It helped Saddam topple the previous secular regime) that weren't pro-US while funding and giving support to extremely Islamist Shariah regimes like Saudi Arabia.

Secularism in the Middle East was killed by the US and the West, it should've never happened. The US should've stayed outside and the Saudi regime should've been toppled. Too bad nobody knows this and instead have simplified this very complex situation to "its cuz of islam".

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>>135249386
You are a liar with a moral imperative to lie, therefore nothing you say can be believed. I will believe you are not a liar, as islam commands, when you rip pages from a koran. Until then, any time you speak to a Westerner, I will know you are doing so to lie.

But you're right about your question, of course. Cretan paradox notwithstanding, how can we know anything of islam when all the slimes are liars?

Well the answer is actually quite simple. Read their evil holy books. When you read the koran, the sunna, and the hadiths, then you know the truth. Which is that moehommad was a rapist pedophile and a mass murderer. That nothing about islam is peaceful, and warfare, slavery, and conquest are intrinsic to the religion. That we must not suffer the muslim to live.

Beyond that, there's a general way to deal with all known liars. Don't listen to what they say, look at what they do. The muslims show us the truth of islam, for instance on 9/11. The other muslims did not even accept responsibility for their islamic act of terror, but instead condemned those pointing out the evil of islam. That is why muslims to this very day refuse to speak out against islamic violence.

Finally, and most interestingly, though slimes will lie to decent people (by which I mean non-muslims), they will be slightly more honest with one another. So you can read what the slime writes to the other slime. Read Dabiq, Inspire, Ma'alim fi al-Tariq, and so forth. There the muslim flat out TELLS you the truth of islam: unending violence.

>When Muslim countries invade the West
Oh look, you're retarded.

>>135250062
>I can't refute your argument so I'll just call you names.
You argue like a muslim, alright.

>>135249752
False. First of all, during it's time, Christianity was much more pro-slavery than Islam was. Muslims came more into contact with slavery due to proximity of sub-saharan Africa.

In Christianity, there is a CLEAR system describing slavery and how it is to be carried out, in Deuteronomy.

In Islam, is it clearly stated that manumission (freeing of slaves) is one of the greatest deeds (hasaanat) that you can do. Meaning it is one of the good deeds you do to remove sins and go to heaven. The Prophet himself freed over 60 slaves and set an example for all Muslims. The Prophet's wife Aisha freed many more slaves and asked that even more are to be freed. Also, to God, slaves are no different than freed men.

So, for a religion centered around slavery, it sure is weird Islam places such an emphasis on being kind to slaves, on freeing them to pardon sins and that they are equal to free men in front of God.

i dont give a fuck if you dont eat pork you fucking attention whore, it's cheap at the grocery store.

>>135239536
Do you think women should sit separately from men?
Do you think that no matter the punishment (execution for homosexuals, stoning for adultery, dismemberment for theft, death for apostasy), it is justified and should be applied around the world if its from the words of Allah & His Messenger?
Are traps gay?
Do you support ISIL?

>>135239536
what should the punishment for apostasy be.

Thoughts on sharia.

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>>135250702
>Christianity was much more pro-slavery than Islam was.
Taqiyya.

>Deuteronomy
>Christianity
Taqiyya.

>The prophet (piss be upon him) himself freed over 60 slaves and set an example for all Muslims.
And what of the hundreds of thousands he enslaved? Was that to set an example?
Taqiyya.

>weird Islam places such an emphasis
Taqiyya. Islam preaches that slavery should be practiced.

>>135250894
Also thoughts on Aisha and sex with a 9/10 year old.

>>135250702
The west ended slavery. The Saudis and the middle east were pressured by the UN and did it in the 60s. Either way most developed countries since the beginning of the 20th century have become atheists. Which is the next step forward to progress humanity forward. Religion is akin to mythology and anyone who follows one in the 21st century is intellectually backwards.

>>135239536
Are you inbred? Are your parents inbred?

>>135239536
Two questions.
1. Will the aversion to dogs let up any time soon in your opinion?
It's sickening that most Muslims treat dogs like there dirty, haram beasts, especially in cases when they're well groomed and maintained by their owners or are part of a local police.
Plus shit like this makes me sick: https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/07/austria-dogwalker-hospitalized-after-beating-by-muslim-migrant-teen-girl-who-said-dogs-unclean


2. What's the purpose of Hajj and why go to Mecca for it? Seems kinda dumb to pay worship to a city you've never been to and have no meaningful ties to. I feel the same way about the Vatican w/ Catholics.
Why not do whatever religious ceremonies are attributed to the Hajj in your own countries?

>>135250314
>I will know you are doing so to lie.

You only consider me lying when you hear things you don't like to hear. So why should I care?

>how can we know anything of islam when all the slimes are liars?

You DO know, you just pretend that you don't. Per example, if I say "Muslims want to kill infidels" you rejoice and become happy because it suits your narrative. If I say "Muslims are mostly against ISIS and the likes" then you get mad because it destroys your narrative that all Muslims aren't humans and are evil beings, thus leading you to accuse me of Taqqiya as you see fit.

>Read the holy books

Uh BUDDY, spending 30 minutes on religionofpeacedotcom does NOT equate to reading the Quran.

>Don't listen to what they say, look at what they do. The muslims show us the truth of islam, for instance on 9/11

The West was masturbating over Islamist Jihadist terrorists killing Soviets in Afghanistan. The West was so obsessed with with these terrorists that Reagan personally brought the leader of the terrorists to the White House and congratulated them for being freedom fighters. Westerners used to LOVE Muslim terrorists in the past when they fought against the Soviet Union.

Now this dangerous snake that you have used to hurt others bite back and you think you're blameless? Are you truly both this ignorant and disingenuous? Why bring up 9/11? Dipshit, learn HISTORY since you seem to know nothing about it beyond what you learn on some right-wing websites.

>slimes

Do you really think of this as insult? Well I don't really mind, brings up memories of DIY slime as a kid :)

>your pic

Why do you compare only the Crusader battles? Why don't you compare ALL of the Christian battles versus the Muslim ones? The Christians attacks are on magnitudes higher than the Muslim ones. Why the fuck are you acting as if Muslim conquered all of Europe (Never happened) when Christians actually conquered all of the Middle East? Can't even play the victim card properly can you?

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>>135239536
>moderate muslim
you're still getting removed, kebab

>>135251286
ARE YOU INBRED? ARE YOUR PARENTS COUSINS? ARE YOUR GRANDPARENTS COUSINS? DON'T WANNA ANWSER THAT DO YOU?

>>135239536

Important: Shia or Sunni?

>>135250961
You literally respond Taqiyya to whatever you don't like to hear. Sorry to tell you this, but you're actually brain-dead and there's nothing I can do about it.

>>135251204
You are correct that the West ended slavery. Despite Islam not being brutal for slaves, it still had slaves in it's system. You bring up Saudi Arabia and other Islamist countries but you forget that these countries were the favorite allies of the US and had the best relationships. The secular Arab countries abolished slavery much earlier than their US allied counterparts.

I applaud you at the very least for being intellectually honest, unlike the other brain-dead nazi poster who keeps screaming "TAQIYYA!". But I'm of the opinion that religion will always persist in futuristic secular societies. You can't stop religion, not even an authoritarian regime like the CCP can.

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>>135239536
how tight is a goats butthole?

>why did Muhammerd fuck children?

>>135242099
Muslims can only debate under the context of being against christians, jews, or "other" (pagans worthy of little more than slaughter). The way that they default to criticizing Christianity whenever you attack their even shittier theology always trips me up.

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>>135239536

East Asian
Arab
East European
White Western European
Latino
White American
Black

> pick your skin tone

>TAQIYYA

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>>135251327
So, this is typically how a mudslime argues. He assigns to me motives I don't have. For instance, he says I will believe him when he says that mudslimes are murderers. In fact, I consider him to always be a liar, and if he happens to say something that coincides with the truth it is only in service of his lies. It has nothing to do with narratives, or even really with me.

I note he has yet to take responsibility for islamic violence, nor to even say it is wrong.

Oh, and reading koranic verses *is* reading the koran. It's literally the same thing mudslimes do every Friday.

Next he makes some false equivalence arguments in a pathetic attempt to say "America is bad too!" But even if America were bad (it is not), that would never excuse islamic violence.

The next classic mudslime argument he makes is to say that America started islamic violence. This argument is so perverse, considering America is less than 250 years old, but the mudslimes have been mass murderers for 1400 years. America has always stood up against mudslimes since 1790. If he knew history you would know that. But, he doesn't. He just knows apologetics.

Oh, and the image depicts all battles up to the crusades (which were good). It is meant to point out the mudslime false equivalence argument, which is so common as to be normal.

Stop spreading your Taqiyya.

>>135239536
>Moderate Muslim
there's no such thing, stop that meme for fuck sake

>>135251907

People still falling for this meme, kek!

ARE. YOU. IN-FUCKING-BRED?

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>>135251745
Stop spreading Taqiyya and I'll stop calling out your Taqiyya. I literally respond with it every time you do it. It's nothing to do with me, it's to do with your lies.

Go ahead and take responsibility for mudslime violence. Do it now.

You won't, you'll just spread Taqiyya.

>>135239536

Important: Shia or Sunni?

>>135251745
We cant stop religion but we can weaken it to the point of no return like christianity. Islams doctrine is too dogmatic and will always come back stronger than ever in hopes of world domination. I actually have a feeling that islam will be the majority world religion for about a hundred years before it undergoes massive apostasy and itll be a terribly unproductive century for the world and a regression that humanity will regret to no extent. Also nazis arent brain dead and I sympathize with them greatly and believe nazi eugenics was right about almost everything.

>>135239536

>Moderate Muslim

>Mexican Intellectuals

Hmmm....

>>135251912
Quote a quran verse
>but that's not in context!
give the context
>but you don't speak Arabic
And of course if someone does speak Arabic they're either apostates at worst or at best not a """"""scholar""""""

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>>135252143

> see flag
> can't understand basic philosophy
> can't understand arabic
> claims to know Islam more than Muslim.

Is this manifest destiny amerifat keep talking about?

>>135243121
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiya
http://thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/taqiyya.aspx
taqiya; lie to your enemies to befriend then kill/enslave them. "moderate muslim" my ass.

>>135251912
>In fact, I consider him to always be a liar

Well that just shows how close-minded you are, really not my problem.

>I note he has yet to take responsibility for islamic violence, nor to even say it is wrong.

Have you even read any of my posts so far?

>Next he makes some false equivalence arguments in a pathetic attempt to say "America is bad too!"

You understood NOTHING of what I was trying to say, you fool.

>But even if America were bad (it is not)

Holy fuck, I just spent like half an hour explaining every wrong America did and why it is bad, and all you could do was cover your ears and instead of saying "lalalalala" said instead "TAQIYYA! TAQIYYA! TAQIYYA!".

I showed you that the US allied itself with the most theocratic Islamist regimes in the Middle East while destroying the secular ones, to prove to you that the US has been consistently pro-Islamist terrorism as long as it suits it and you act like the US is an angel that has done nothing wrong.

>The next classic mudslime argument he makes is to say that America started islamic violence

It's not an argument you tool, it's HISTORY. Just because you're an ignorant piece of shit, it's not my fault. Reagan was single-handedly the greatest funder of terrorism in history. Through Operation Cyclone, the US sent over 20 billion $ to Pakistan to train Islamist terrorists to attack the Soviet Union. How the fuck can you still act like the US is blameless for the rise of Islamist terrorism when it is the biggest funder of it? God, nothing goes into your head.

It's not false equivalence you tool, it's about showing you that the US and the West were consistently anti-secularism and pro-Islamist terrorism, yet you act Islam alone is to blame for everything wrong in the Middle East. What a brain-dead twat you are.

>mudslime

Is this how a physically handicapped person would say the word "Muslim"? Cause that's what it sounds like. You truly are one ignorant piece of shit.

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>>135252396
Look we're pretty open to opposing views here, however if you're going to make a post like that I think we have a solution. You'd be much happier there, and be able to have a productive conversation. If you're going to suck arab dick please do it within the confines of your own hugbox.

>>135251745

Wow you fucking shitposting faggot i'm a non apologetic Nazi since i was 14 yr old. I know more about Islam than those who keep replying taqiyya to you fuckboi.

Ur my brother in Islam but fuck don't insult the great white ancestry for fuck i will end u.

>>135252407
>Unironically citing religionofpeacedotcom

Praise kek xD le based kekistani. Read the first link will you?

>>135252341
>give the context

Uh no, that never happens. Usually all you can do is go on religionofpeacedotcom, find a small verse and keep repeating it without context. Look, I can play this game too


"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." Matthew 10:34

Christianity is such a violent religion and Jesus was a dangerous warlord :( Run away from the sword!

>>135252578

Amerifat stop it with the Taqiyya we all know you like arab dick after all you need that oil money flowing in.

> Amerifat officially just used taqiyya! Screencap Amerifat just mastered Taqiyya.

>>135252639
I just refereed to the other anon by his flag (which he quickly changed), Nazism is off topic and have said nothing about it.

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>>135252790
What the hell are you even talking about leaf? I'm saying if you're going to openly defend the religion of (((peace))) without anything backing it up other than "you'e clearly to stupid/ignorant to understand" then leave. nobody wants you here and furthermore I don't understand you're post? How am I lieing to subvert to community which is what Taqiyya means. Please know the word you're referencing's meaning before you use it to shitpost. Lurkmoar 2/10 shitleaf

>>135252451
ARE YOU INBRED

>>135253067
Nope, as a matter of fact my parents are from two completely different ethnicities. Although I get what you mean, yeah apparently marrying cousins in the Middle East isn't too uncommon.

>>135253041

> " How am I lieing to subvert to community which is what Taqiyya means"

American common core education boys.

Here sheikh google can help you bud.

> literally "prudence, fear") is an Islamic term which refers to precautionary dissimulation or denial of religious belief and practice in the face of persecution

>>135252451
your inbred to retardation, you fail to comprehend how fucking aids your religion is. please enlighten me why do you think your religion is pure and holy and why do you follow it.
>OP probs a larper fag

>>135253277
I.E. lieing to the community to subvert dipshit.

>>135253365

Bro at this point no one can take you seriously you even have the best XD in your ID m8. GG good night.

>>135241247
hey I wrote a book about the Kikes, you know any muslim organizations I can get in touch with

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>>135252451
You literally worship a death cult that controls what you're allowed to think.

But you say that I'm close minded. Because I understand how to deal with liars.

You just spent half an hour absolving islam of islamic violence and blaming all your problems on America by torturing and abusing history as viciously as muslims torture non believers, while tossing in revisionist slavery apologetics on top of it. You literally cannot point to a pluralistic muslim society ever in history that respected rights of non muslims, but somehow blame America for muslim societies being full of muslims. It's perverse, and a clear cut example of Taqiyya. Then you get upset when I show that you are spreading Taqiyya. You act like a dollar turns a peaceful person into a muslim. That's absurd beyond reason. Islam alone is exactly to blame for islamic problems, the most important of which are the oceans of human blood spilled in the names of allah and moehommad.

I also think it's hilarious that you feel the need to insult me, when I'm just calling you what you are: a mudslime. Isn't it funny that you get hurt when someone else says you are what you say you are.

You are acting like a jew.

>>135253163
thanks for the answer senpai
have you fucked any of your cousins?
Do you want to fuck any of your cousins?

>>135253324
I'm pretty sure that you're more inbred than I am considering my parents come from two distant countries and ethnicities.

>please enlighten me why do you think your religion is pure and holy and why do you follow it.

Who said I wanted you to follow it? Never in my life have I attempted to convert anyone here and I will never try to. My goal isn't to make you Muslim, but to make you realize that all these retards parroting the same inane anti-Muslim bullshit aren't to be trusted.

>>135253163
Approx. 61% of middle eastern matings are consanguinitous

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>>135253488
>No one
you mean (you) the only person responding to me? "gg god night" does not win the argument. Walking away might work in highschool, but not here. What the hell are you on about you didn't even respond to my comment shithead. GO BACK.

>>135250894
>>135251076

Still waiting for a response.

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What you moderate muslims think of this guy, Imam Tawhidi?
Can he really fight radical islam?
Will he be killed?

>>135253635
Do you think Muslims can ever live in a functional secular state (don't you dare say Turkey)? Or, is separation of mosque and state so incompatible with Islam that it just cannot be done?

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"""""moderate"""" muslims keep funding terror attacks.
"moderate" muslims in Iraq beat a woman to death over a rumour that she burned a quran this year.
ISIS recruits were local people, the peaceful muslims that were numerous enough to take over a fucking country and the FSA is no better.

If you really, genuinely and unironically believe in freedom, justice and peace.

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>>135241565
Watch him not answer this one

>>135253721
Substantive "defenses" of their faith are their lowest priority

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>>135253927
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>>135253750
i think this guy is a mossad plant

>>135253696

If only your comment made sense.

Proof only a surface view of Islamic theology would show that Muslim are not allowed to lie some scholar made some exception but scholars come and go mate.

What you have heard in that lecture was reported by Ibn An-Najjaar from ‘Ali may Allaah be pleased with him as stated by As-Suyooti in his book entitled "Al-Jaami’". Besides, Al-Haafith Ibn Hajar may Allaah have mercy upon him said in “At-Talkhees”: “We have narrated in a Juz'u (a booklet which contains a number of Ahaadeeth about a specific subject) a Hadeeth from Abu ‘Ali Ibn Shaathaan from Abu ‘Amr Ibn As-Sammaak from the Hadeeth of ‘Ali Ibn Al-Husayn Ibn ‘Ali, from his grandfather ‘Ali Ibn Abi Taalib who said: “I took for myself the weapons of the Prophet sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) and I noticed on the hilt of his sword the following: "Keep ties with those who cut you off, and do good to those who harmed you, and speak the truth even if it were against your own self."

> now read

>>135239536
Why did Muhammed say he prayed to the temple in Jerusalem when the temple was destroyed by the Romans in 70 AD?
How could he have visited the temple in Jerusalem on the flying donkey when the temple was destroyed by the Romans in 70 AD?

It's almost as if your prophet wasn't aware of historical facts.

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>>135253812
I hate to deal with these shitstains in my society every single fucking day. Wherever they go they bring violence, crime, disparity and ruin. They dont clean up after themselves, they ruin the building theyre in, they breed like vermin.
The world would be a better place without islam

>>135252747
who is defending Christianity here? All religions are retarded and your religion is no exception. Go circle jerk how great Islam is at Tumblr, they'll happily suck your tic tac penis.

>>135239536
Can you answer me these?

If we take the Bible and Quran and take out all the supernatural stuff you get a history book backed up by archeology and history itself. The Bible is pretty much consistent with secular history. In fact, what gives the Bible credibility is history itself. Faith is not the foundation of the Bible; history is the foundation of the Bible. The Quran is hugely historically and secularly inconsistent.

Let's look at a few:

)Jesus of Nazareth. Not JESUS CHRIST. Remember, lets leave out the supernatural. History is pretty much in agreement that Jesus of Nazareth was a real historical figure. There is more proof of his existence then Alexander the Great and Plato. Secular history says that there was a Jesus of Nazareth. He challenged the Pharisees and Saducees. He was turned over to Pontius Pilate on false charges of sedition against Cesar. He was found innocent and still executed. End of secular history. ACCORDING TO THE QURAN. Jesus was never executed. LOL!! They executed the wrong guy. End of story. This is a HUGE historical blunder. History agrees that Jesus was executed by the Romans on behalf of the Jews.


2)According to the Quran (Surah 18:89-98) Alexander the Great was a devout Muslim and lived to a ripe old age. Historical records however show that Alexander the Great died young at 33 years of age (356 - 323 B.C.), and believed he himself was divine, forcing others to recognize him as such. In India on the Hyphasis River (now Beas) Alexander erected twelve altars to twelve Olympian gods. Alexander died a pagan. Muhammed wasn't born until around 900 years later. How could Alexander belong to a religion that never existed yet? The Quran contradicts secular history here REALLY BADLY here.

CONTINUED

Why don't you stay to your own sorry-ass countries?

>>135239536
Why do you have imaginary friends?

>>135254113
3)According to the Quran, IN THE BIBLE it was not Aaron that made the Golden Calf BUT A SAMARITAN that led the Israelites astray. The problem is that this incident took place at around 1400 BCE whereas the Samaria was founded in 870 BCE 530 years later. How can a Samaritan have led the Israelites astray at the time of Moses [about 1400 B.C.] when the city of Samaria was founded by King Omri in about 870 B.C. (see 1 Kings 16:24)? Imagine someone telling you they found an ancient document saying that "The New Zealander helped Christopher Columbus." The problem is that NZ didn't exist until 400 years after Columbus. It is obviously a fraud.

4)According to the Quran, Ezra is the Son of God according to the Jews.

In Surah at-Taubah, 9:30, And the Jews say, "Ezra is the Son of God;" and the Christians say, "The Messiah is the Son of God." ...
While it is true that Christian doctrine holds that Jesus is the Son of God, the statement that Ezra is the Son of God is totally erroneous. This statement and doctrine cannot be found in the Torah, Jewish Mishnah and Jewish Talmud. No Jewish sect nor Jewish tradition holds Ezra to such a position nor title. This is a huge internal error.

These are but a sample of inconsistencies in the Quran. A human historian would not have made such huge blunders. It is less likely a superior being like God himself would make such huge blunders. This book itself is so inconsistent that it proves Islam wrong from claiming inspiration from God. God would not allowed such huge messes to be let in that even a human would not have allowed.

>>135240654
Brilliant statement.

>>135250702

>freed 60 slaves to get into heaven
>murdered and enslaved millions

Muslims are cunts. Fuck you OP

>>135250702
>In Islam, is it clearly stated that manumission (freeing of slaves) is one of the greatest deeds (hasaanat) that you can do

Except only fictional Muslims have ever done this. I haven't seen ISIS releasing any slaves. either.

>>135253577
Oh boy, it's another episode of "I'll use the word cult to describe anything I don't like!". What is this, the 40's? When protestant Christians described anything they didn't like as "cults" (even fellow Orthodox and Catholic Christians)?

>Because I understand how to deal with liars.

There's literally no way to reason with you, it's like talking with a wall. Whatever I say, whatever facts I bring, whatever historical events I reference, you will always discard them due to your inability to be open-minded.

You should read my posts from the very start because you obviously understood nothing from what I've said. I said that Muslims do terrible things, I said that Muslims haven't contributed anything in over 800 years, I said that Muslims have the bad extremist types, yet you still think I've painted all Muslim in a perfect light.

See, this right here is your problem, instead of accepting what your country has contributed to the rise of Islamist terrorism, you go into your own version of Taqiyya and deny all the facts and history.

This reminds me of one event that happened in the Middle East that I can compare to our situation. In the past, the US helped Saddam build chemical weapons by sending him anthrax strains (US funds terrorists). Then when Saddam used these chemical weapons on civilians like during the Halabja massacre, the US quickly came to his aid and blamed the attack on Iran (US portraying terrorists as good). However, once Saddam turned on the US, the US used the Halabja attack as a justification to attack Saddam (US attacking the terrorists for doing things the US supported in the past).

See what your country is responsible of? Yet you neglect ALL responsibility, not even a tiny bit. To this very day, the US does a 300 billion $ arms deal with the most OPPRESSIVE, ISLAMIST AND SHARIAH regime in the world, and you think the US will have zero responsibility when those weapons be used for terrorism. Stop being in denial of history.

>>135254017
"GIB A GOO SAID TO NIG JA RUUBETH MAH SWRD PLEASE DON'T DO BAD TO OTHER PEOPLE" Using one line of text in a modern interpretation of the text to subjugate your claim, how familiar. And I guess 5:32 considers infidels humans as well? Shut up you're not fooling me. Go back to your desert shithole.

>>135253677
It's 70% in some countries alone

>>135250702
The slavery of the Bible was okay. That was debt slavery where a man sold himself into slavery to pay off a debt or to earn something from the master. Jacob sold himself to slavery for 14 years to marry Leah and Rebeccah. Slavery in the Bible was regulated so a slave would continue to be regarded as a human with rights. If a master murdered a slave the master was executed himself. If a master was abusive and cruel the slave would be released. Kidnapping and selling kidnapped human was punishable by death. When a slave was freed or payed off his debt the master was required to give the free slave a severance payment or supplies to leave.

The classical abusive slavery that everyone knows of today wasn't practiced in Israel.

>>135239536
Dear moderate Imam,

What is a moderate quantity of C4 to carry when you're trying spread moderate Sharia law, moderately?

>>135250702
Saint Nicholas singlehandedly freed more slaves than that.

Christianity includes rules on slavery but the christians never performed slavery on a scale anywhere near that of islam. Even the atlantic slave-trade was orchestrated by jews and the slavery laws were much more liberal than its contemporaries.

>So, for a religion centered around slavery, it sure is weird Islam places such an emphasis on being kind to slaves, on freeing them to pardon sins and that they are equal to free men in front of God.
islam is the religion of hypocrisy. Literally every muslim ive ever met says one thing and does another.

>>135254318
Islam is a death cult. This is an undeniable fact. That you would pretend otherwise is Taqiyya as plain as day. Maybe try stop lying and then we'll be able to have a conversation like reasonable people.

I forgot for a minute. Muslims are neither reasonable nor are they people.

Take responsibility for muslim violence. In fact, just say it's bad. You won't. This is another slimy piece of Taqiyya. You admit to some things while leaving others out to appear to say something you didn't actually say.

Then you torture history in a Chomsky like way to blame America for things that are the fault of Islam. Do you blame America for the umayyad conquest, too? So when muslims are doing the exact same things today, how can you say that's the fault of America? It's just muslims being muslim, the exact same way they always were. You are no different. You are a Taqiyya spreading muslim, and we must not put up with you in our civilizations. You are a barbarian.

>>135254311
maybe they're not "real" slaves if they arent "real" muslims. they pull that kind of shit constantly. If an unbeliever is an animal, he cant be a slave.

>>135253677
Well that's pretty depressing (assuming it's true).

>>135253721
Marrying children was normal back then. Even in the US, up to 1880, the vast majority of states had their age of consent set at 10 years old. Don't look at the past with modern values and morals.

>>135254102
No it was just an example to show you that anybody can take things out of context easily. If thousands of Islamic scholars can't agree on Islamic action for one single issue, then what makes you think some "kekistani" in the West will know?

>>135254239
>murdered and enslaved millions

Whatever you say lad.


>>135254311
Slavery is abolished in all Muslim countries. The only Muslim entities that still have slavery are the like of Al Qaeda and ISIS, which don't even host 0.001% of the Muslim population.

>>135239536

Why is it always a moderate Muslim? How come we never get to ask an extremist Muslim anything?

>>135254945
Because the Internet is an invention of the kufar and should only be used for Jihad :D According to them anyway

>>135240723
>What are your thoughts on Petra and mecca? Why did early muslims pray in the direction of Petra and not your holy mecca?
How is this a bad thing? We can't change the direction we pray to?

>>135254869
age of consent and age of marriage and actual occurances or intercourse are different things. consistently throughout european and american history the age averages out at 16-18 years old, with consumation usually leaning toward the latter.

meanwhile muhammed raped children.

saying someone else did something too or did something worse doesnt absolve the moral abhorrence of an action either.

>unironically denying muhammed's mass murders and mass enslavements
he was a warlord you disingenuous fuck.

>>135255019
but ISIS has its own social media branch

>>135254869
>Marrying children was normal back then. Even in the US, up to 1880, the vast majority of states had their age of consent set at 10 years old. Don't look at the past with modern values and morals.

However, if Muhammed had contact with God than God would have told him this was wrong, regardless, what the cultures practiced at the time. It seems Muhammed just adopted his tribal families traditions and just transferred over to Islam.

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>>135253635
>Who said I wanted you to follow it?
I asked
>why do you follow it
reading comprehension is shit, further proof your mentally and genetically retarded.
>or using taqiya, i honestly hope ur just a dipshit larper troll

>>135255052
>age of consent and age of marriage and actual occurances or intercourse are different things

Age of consent was still 10 years old. Assuming Aisha was 10 years of age, it would've been legal according to US law.

>consistently throughout european and american history the age averages out at 16-18 years old

Nope.

>meanwhile muhammed raped children.

Did you really have to make up shit? I could carry out a conversation with you until you made yourself look like a complete numbnut. Aisha loved the Prophet dearly and carried on his own even long after his death. That was true love, how about YOU stop being such a disingenuous fuck?

>>135255093
Mass media is good to recruit idiots for jihad.

>>135255107
>It seems Muhammed just adopted his tribal families traditions and just transferred over to Islam.

You are correct, I really don't have anything else to say over this. As Muslims, we have a duty to strive to be like the Prophet, but we also have to contextualize circumstances. Per example, the Prophet had to deal with pagans that wanted him dead and thus he had to fight to preserve his monotheistic faith in pagan Arabia. Today, for me, there is no such danger, thus meaning I don't necessarily have to do the exact same thing.

What Muslims have to do is obey the foundations of Islam, the five tenants (Faith, prayer, fasting, pilgrimage, and charity). If you do these five, you're a Muslim. The hadiths are open to much interpretation due to the different circumstances we find ourselves in today and thus are not an absolute objective authority considering their subjective nature.

>>135255724
>ill literally just stick my fingers in my ears and sing
fuck off nigger. If you value your religion so much why dont you fuck off to a country that actually embraces it like any number of sandy shitholes in the middle east.

>>135248819
>What Buddhist library at Nalanda?
>Which Zoroastrian library in Ctesiphon?
>Whose Library of al-Hakam II?
>Why is a Library of Avicenna?
Different "Golden Age" of Islam, right?

>>135254869
Great, now your thoughts on what the punishment for adultery and the punishment for apostasy should be.

What do you have to say about abrogation? Sure Muhammad said nice things in the beginning, but he got increasingly violent, and according to abrogation, the later teachings supersede the previous ones yes? Is this true?

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Why aren't your "moderate" mudshit brothers doing anything against pic related?