Redpill on Communism

>Do my research project for me /pol/
Nice try, guy.

>>135209515
the idea of communism is good but it caused lots of horrors in practice because it was mostly tried in non developed agricultural countries. However I can find also good elements in communism in part of the political policy of countries like eastern Germany etc. You need to make your mind up yourself, but dont forget it was one of the best ideas of all time that got perverted with Stalin

>>135209842
If that was the case, I would've just said so. But no, there really is a friend I want to save.

>>135209515
just read the The Gulag Archipelago

>>135210219
No faggot, it's not a good idea at all because it's the brainchild of a rich manchild son of a factory owner, who did nothing but drink and rant about gibsmedats. Marx was a bourgeoisie and good idea of having the poor was misguided at best and plain hypocritical and stupid at worst.
I need arguments against all of communism.

>>135210289
your friend should not be "safed", he questions the system and that is totally reasonable

>>135210556
Will read.

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>>135209515
send him this meme

>>135210662
>>135210219
PS almost everything Stalin did, Lenin did first.

>>135210662
his father was not a factory owner he was a freaking lawyer you faggot, learn some history, you mixed up Engels with Marx.

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>>135209515
Just read up on Solzhenitsyn and drop some good stats and numbers of deaths etc. Bonus points for mentioning Holodomor and cannibalism in soviet russia (pic related). Pictures are obligatory
You'll never change the mind of commie ideologues by yourself, they didn't change their minds even when the system they loved betrayed them and dropped them in the gulags. Focus on educating the normies before they get gripped by the cancer of ideology.

>>135210872
Can I get that post from the Russanon separate and higher quality, please? I'm not going to send anything with Jewish starts on then because that's too deep and hell shut me out immediately

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It isn't worse.

>>135210951
Oh, shit sorry. I'll rephrase that.
>Marx was a rich manchild son of a lawyer, who did nothing but drink and rant. His ideas to help the poor were misguided at best, and hypocritical and stupid at worst.

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>>135210219
>the idea of communism is good
Absolutely not. It's unorganic. The whole idea of equality goes against nature and that is why it must fall to mass killing of it's own people.

>>135210962
Thanks, Anon. Will read up on that. But in the past, I've brought up the numbers of deaths attributed to communism. The commie I was arguing with cured the much higher death count attributed to capitalism. Of course, I said that capitalism has been tried longer and in many more countries, and he dropped the subject, but so you know any better counter arguments to that?

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>>135211187
Look at this picture closely fellow commie. This is the fate the leaders of the commies in my country met in '45.
>Aris and his second in command, Leon Javellas, were isolated by the main unit and finally he committed suicide with his comrade, either by a hand grenade or by a bullet.

>>135211526
As I said, you'll never convince a commie that his ideology is wrong. Most commies have based their entire lives around the fact that their ideology is the path to the light and the reason their lives are subpar is because the system is "unfair", so when you are attacking their ideology you aren't just attacking the political beliefs of a normal human being like yourself, you are actually attacking the core of their being.
No matter how far you push the argument, they always have the "not real communism" and "that's capitalist propaganda" arguments to fall back to, and for a reason: they aren't arguments, they are conversation enders.
Remember: you aren't debating to change the opinion of the commie. You are, at best, trying to educate and change the minds of the people observing the debate, and that's the best you can hope for.

>>135211289
>muh jewish bolshevism
Its all bullshit. Where are all the rich jews that hitler talked about today? In the USA. Do you know that there are only 3 countries left without a Rothshild bank? Communist Cuba and North Korea (and Iran). Its All bullshit
>>135211289
>against nature
if you get cancer tommorow why should why treat you, you are only are burden to our society then it's against natures will after all, you are supposed to die. See that kind of thinking can lead to this, if we set equality and some light collectivism as our aim the avearage individual can profit the most in the end

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>>135212638
/pol/ is a nfsw 18+ board little fella. Come back when you can actually articulate a position apart from cherrypicking from a bunch of memes

>>135211289
also the ethnic jews who participated in the german communist uprings had nothing to do with the jewish capitalists and zionists that pol always freaks out about, they just happen to be jews. Thats like when American commies in Nigeria would start an uprising and everyone would blame the American capitalists at home that it was their conspiracy to bring disorder, stupid as fuck

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>>135212638
>>135213133
Read Culture of Critique you're really ignorant on the JQ. Jews put their identity in first place. Also all the countries you listed have a central bank (((pure coincidence))).

>>135210662
You're thinking of Engels' father, not Marx's. Marx was born middle class but as an adult was very poor.

>>135210962
That image was taken before the USSR existed. The famine depicted was in large part caused by drought and devastation from war.

>>135213931
>Survival was a moral as well as a physical struggle. A woman doctor wrote to a friend in June 1933 that she had not yet become a cannibal, but was "not sure that I shall not be one by the time my letter reaches you." The good people died first. Those who refused to steal or to prostitute themselves died. Those who gave food to others died. Those who refused to eat corpses died. Those who refused to kill their fellow man died. Parents who resisted cannibalism died before their children did.[51]
>The Soviet regime printed posters declaring: "To eat your own children is a barbarian act."[52]:225 More than 2,500 people were convicted of cannibalism during the Holodomor.[53]
Read up before speaking up
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

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>>135209515

>>135213464
dude almost every country has a central bank, the thing is North Korea and Cuba, which happened to be ruled by communist parties in former times and are ruled still today (in the case of Cuba) are not beeing influenced by what Hitler called the "internationales Finanzjudentum" (international financial jewery) because communism introduces a fucking planned economy and you cant make any shity private profits or buisness. I will read your recommended bock though
>>135213080
small kids are actually more likely to fall for reactionary easy solutions worldviews than for something as complex as marxism-leninism

>When you try capitalism in your country but it fails in creating an efficient market where people earn what they deserve and a wealthy elite class controls the working class while hundreds of thousands starve and crime becomes rampant so you try capitalism again in your country but it fails it fails in creating an efficient market where people earn what they deserve and a wealthy elite class controls the working class while.... Keep going and visualize this

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It interferes with the law of nature. Man is an animal. This forced equality is unnatural. By erasing race, and the gender roles of the man and woman, it completely affects the laws of nature and evolution.

Marxism/communism is inhuman. Pic related as well.

>>135214293
>I will read your recommended bock though
Please do.

>>135213080

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saar_status_referendum,_1935

You simpletons need to specify Marxism, not socialism as a whole.

>>135213464

This

>>135214166
There was cannibalism reported in 1932-33, but the image is from over a decade earlier.

>>135211058
its hard to explain communism without understanding that its a jewish creation

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>>135214293
>marxism-leninism
>complex
Get the fuck outta here

>>135214394
>It interferes with the law of nature.
how far do you want to play this game? If you do not want interfere with the laws of nature in the most orthodox sense we can fucking let you die if you get a random disease. Civilisation was created in the first place because people started to split work to be more effective and help the collective sustain its vitality. For example we would never simply kill our kids when the cant sustain themselves, animals do that. Thats what makes us culturally superior.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr2PoL_eU2w

Also, how's the martial law going?

>>135209515
Do you like starving most likely to death
>Yes
Good! Then here is your political ideology
>No
Then like 100% of the sane population hate it

Communism, in Marxist terms, is simply the idea that unbounded capital accumulation will bring about the ideal society, with added class analysis. In simplest terms it's libertarian accelerationism.
Leninism is globalist communism, dialectical materialism, and capitalist distinction from imperialist capitalism that doesn't allow third world nations to prosper. Marxist-Leninism is most adopted ideology other than Trotskyism.
Trotskyism is pure garbage, """permanent revolution""".
Communism per say is unattainable, it's just an approach to a more "equal" society.

The only good communists are Stalin, Mao, Tito, Pol Pot, and Fidel.

>>135215446
Remove Tito and we agree.

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There is no way to change a commies mind. I have tried over and over again. Literally disputing and providing evidence against every single one of their arguments. And all they kept going back to is "my grammar is wrong" "you're being childish" "you'll just young you don't understand the world"

What another Anon said the best you can do is change the minds of those watching the debate before they go full retard.

>>135215124
>distribution of success
the problem is that the probability of sucess is not even equally distributed in the first place, if you are rich guy like Donald Trump who got 1 million $ from his daddy you are way more likely to make another million that a guy who starts with 0. Without even having to work the same amount in physical labour, thats just how a system with interest rates works. Marxism is based on 1000 of pages of economic analysis, dont compare modern liberals who fight for the right of 4546 genders and white privilage with it

>>135214569
I'm fully aware, the picture is from '21. Are you aware that that's after the october revolution ('17) and the subsequent destabilization that resulted by that in Russia? Or are you seriously gonna argue that the two are not correlated?

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>>135215446
>Stalin
>Good communist
Wasn't he the guy who ate lavish meals in his summer home while everyone else got shitty communal apartments and starvation?

I mean I guess he's a good communist in that he shows exactly what communism leads to, but...

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>>135209515
You wont find it here boy, /pol/ is a communist board

>>135215968
Don't mind the natbols mate, they are worse than commies sometimes

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>>135211289
Fixed for normies

>>135215736
I would stop shilling in the direction of pro-communism when people would stop being libertarian or social darwinist natsoc etc.. Seriously can't we just agree on something in between, a social market economy where people can still run businesses and be succesfull but vital parts of the economy like healthcare or education are exempted from the free market?

>>135216070
Give a single example of a socialistic country that had even an iota of success before le evil capatooliztz (hoo r not joos becus we r joos) kielled it xDD

>>135216382
No. Education is government controlled and has only been getting worse because of that. The free market is the best for healthcare and education. Educate yourself.

Read "Free To Choose" By Milton Friedman

>>135216070
>Communists shilling for the URSS calling USA imperialist

Ayyy lmao.

>>135215775
>marx
>economic analysis
You haven't read any Marxist literature from the man, I can see. All Marx did was claim the world was unfair and abusive due to life not being fair, nothing more and nothing less. Then he published Das Kapital which was meant to be justification for the religion he created.

Marxism is based off of destroying the values of a nation and people and turning them into human materials to be used and discarded like cheap tools. Theses of Fuerbach.

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>>135216519
USSR, China, DPRK, Paris commune, Catalonia, Rojava, Burkina Faso, etc etc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIddCEBCKHQ

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>>135216618
Those gosh darn Soviet military bases in Japan > : (

>>135216382
I would be ok with that if it actually worked. It doesnt. I'm a pragmatist above all.

>>135216534
compare USA to Japan where education is mostly and healthcare is entirely controlled by the goverment, 10 times less people in prison per capita , 10 times lower murder rater per capita , longer live expectancy. Same works with western european welfare states.Your education system might be worse because your gov is spending to less on it compared to defense etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate#By_country
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate#Incarceration_rates

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>>135216382
The abolition of state is the utopia we should all aim for.
In any case, what kind of retarded logic is that? You come into an anti-commie thread and shill for commies when in fact you pretty much want western capitalism in its current form?
In what fucked up state of mind do you have to be to shill for the group that openly states that they most of all wish to destroy our current system to make their own happen?
Even hardcore ancaps hardly ever claim that, libertarianism pretty much supports gradual minimization of the state with armed revolution only in case of a commie resurgence or the state overextending its powers.
Please rethink your opinions mate, you've got it all messed up. Putting libertarians with natsocs in the same basket is evidence of that, our only common point is the shared hate of commies

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>>135217050
I mean Hungary .

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>>135211058
use it wisely faget

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>>135217014
Fixed

>>135217302
>education is mostly and healthcare is entirely controlled by the goverment
>10 times less people in prison per capita , 10 times lower murder rater per capita , longer live expectancy
Now prove the correlation between the two

>>135217302
>compares high IQ traditional and racially homogeneous country with le 56%
Really?

>>135209515
>I need a comprehensive, sourced, and professional list

why ?

all economic models are comprised of marxist and capitalist traditions.
You can't have a solely capitalist economic model, because no 1 capitalist model exist. And all economic models are based on Marx's criticism of utopian communism.


What you really need is a common sense list of why anything is better than the current or former political system; neoliberalism

Where people have no influence over politics whatsoever.
The establishment has eroded away the democratic elements in western societies for the last 30 years.

They should not be given "the carrot" political positions and more political power as a reward for their failures.
Populism was and is the right alternative.
Communism (which is something I detest) would be incapable of gathering people in the same way that the Right Wing Populist movements did, because most of the problems with todays society has been vanguarded by neoliberal parties posing as socialists, and supported by their voters who also thought massive unregulated immigration, removing freedom of speech, and promoting martial law was somehow socialist.

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>>135217226
It literally does. Communism turned Russia into a space race winning industrial and military Super Power. If that "didn't work" I don't know what else to tell you.

Meanwhile, capitalism on the other hand does not work. It has "market crashes" every 8 years, is wasteful, inefficient, destroys the environment, and unsustainable simply based on the fact that it relies on infinite growth. The reason the West is getting BLACKED is because in a capitalist system you need more younger people than old to keep the old, antiquated, antique system running. This is why the capitalists are pushing so hard for immigration.

>>135210219
If you disincentivize success you will mediocretize society

Communism doesn’t bring the lowest denominator up, it pushes the highest denominator down. It doesn’t tell the weak link to ”work and improve”. It enables them giving them no reason whatsoever to improve and at the same time it tells the rich ”don’t work because we’ll pay you if you fail.”

The happiest are the non working and the hard working are the most miserable. Thus you get degeneration and a shitty society, instead of upward mobility and upward scale.

Communism addresses a lot of important problems, but it is not the solution.

If Venezuela doesn’t prove that to you I don’t know what will.

>>135217365
>be nazi ally
>get occupied
>reee my freedums so unfair

>>135209515
>all these commies on /pol/
The place is not redpilled at all

>>135217226
It actually worked in my country and Scandinavia until the fall of the iron curtain 1989. Then the neoliberal train started to hit us aswell and the unnecessarily increased privatization process started. Now we are becoming more and more like the USA every year

>>135217713
>The measure of a country is how fast their military evolves

North Korea must be amazing you should move them they got nukes not even SK has them

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>>135209515
Read this https://mises.org/sites/default/files/Socialism%20An%20Economic%20and%20Sociological%20Analysis_3.pdf

Goes into full economic detail about why and how socialism is never sustainable and leads to collapse.

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>>135217713
>destroys the environment
Did you just invoke the Soviet Union, the country that LITERALLY STOLE A SEA, and then talk about capitalism and the environment? How is that acid rain working out for you, faggot? I bet you have never even been to a post soviet country you fucking live at home LARPer.

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>>135217869
>get invaded by commies
>get invaded by hitler
>hate commies more than hitler
really makes me think

>>135216877
That's a nice list of failures, bub.
When do we add Venezuela to the list?

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Friendly reminder that marx was the king of the jews that never worked for an hour in his life and engels never finished highschool
these are the architects of the collectivist """""utopia"""""

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>>135215446
>any communist
>good

>>135218391
Polacks always hated russians for cucking their country. Cunts organize Warsaw uprising ahead of Red army approach to have independent Poland (pole so smart, pole takes city while russki kill german haha), fail miserably and then blame us for not helping them. Like wtf cunts your whole idea was to do it without us. There's no way to please these people.

>>135217598
>>135217684
you can see the same thing in every western european country or Canada,just look at the list. developed Welfare states have a lower crime rate than the USA, its just a fact
>>135217325
>In any case, what kind of retarded logic is that?
To be fair, in that case according to marxist therory a classless powerless society would exist and the social darwinism of ancaps would have ceased
>you pretty much want western capitalism in its current form
like I said it pretty much gets diminished every year more and more so this needs to be stopped. Privatization of healthcare etc., worker unfriendly free trade reguations, all of this is happening more and more in western europe
> Putting libertarians with natsocs in the same basket is evidence of that
I did not say, libertarians killed x million jews etc. They are similiar in their acceptance of the natural "survival of the fittes"t order of capitalism (in the case of libertarians) and race(in the case of natsocs), socdarw is tolerated in both
>>135217802
the people who are the richest are not the ones who perform the most physical labour in the first place, they just happened to accumalate a lot of money by mental knowledge, luck or inheritence, in a communist country of course you could earn still more as a doctor than as a street cleaner, you just could not become a Bill Gates or Trump

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>>135218326
Do you want me to tell you how amerifats are some of the most wasteful water and energy users on the planet? Do you want me to tell you that the largest aquifer in North America is rapidly depleting? Do you want me to tell you about all the chemicals in the water supply turning the frogs gay? The communists inadvertently overtap from a sea but they learn from their mistakes. Soviet scientists notice and direct further policy learning from this mistake. The capitalists have no incentive to learn from their mistakes.

>>135218474
See gif lol

>>135218391
they should make thankful that the soviets even granted them independence an areas of silesia and pomeria which they did not own since the 1300s anymore. Hitler would have just made Poland into german Lebensraum split in Prussia and Generalgouverment Ost

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>>135218391
Actually Hungarians prefer communism the most. Every country has their fascist sympathizers.

>>135218384
Kek

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>>135219059
what about ukrainians?

>>135219244
>developed Welfare states have a lower crime rate than the USA
nigga, do you realize that the usa has the biggest welfare state or are you that fucking thick? free healthcare is irrelevant, it's a middle class issue and middle class people don't gangbang anyways
look at how the average hood rat is still surviving in the states, welfare checks, food stamps, projects, all that fucking shit. That stuff is unheard of in the rest of the western societies, by your logic the states should be a literal paradise by now.
Problem is, when you reward people for being victims, you create victims. What would you rather do, work 9-5 for a check or get the same fucking check for sitting on your ass and gangbang or sell crack on the side for extra cash? The welfare state destroyed the black community in the state
jesus fuck, go watch a fucking youtube video or something man

>>135220026
Agreed, interfering in Eastern Europe wasn't worth it with all the millions of lost lives. The Soviets should have just let the Nazis do their Lebenstraum.

>>135220026
*be thankful
*and
god my english gets worse at 4AM

>>135209515
Simple: freedom.

Under capitalism, if you want to set up a communist community, you can. You want to donate all your salary? You can. you want to open a coop business? Do it.

Under communism is their way or the gulag.

>>135209515
Communism VS Fascism
Communism
strong central bank owned by Jews (namely the Rothchilds)
Jews hold most white collar positions of privilege
everyone is equal (as slaves under Jewish hegemony)
antisemitism is outlawed
authoritarian rule

Fascism
Barter System between nations no central bank
The best for the Job gets the Job (except Jews of course)
Everyone is equal under the state to flourish
Semites are outlawed
authoritarian rule

Communism
Take private property (aka the means of production, or factories)
from the individuals that own them and give them to "the state"
(a small number of people in positions of privilege filled through nepotism)
turning the entire country into private property owned by them with the people still
working in factories they don't own and now will never have an opportunity
to own making less than they did before with a lower standard of living. Or
to make it simple basically a return to feudal serfdom only the lords will
now all be Jews instead of natives that basically consider the gentiles livestock

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>>135209515

>>135220340
>do you realize that the usa has the biggest welfare state or are you that fucking thick
I define biggest welfare state by the country who provides the most community service per capita and pays the most and thats definetly not the USA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_social_welfare_spending#As_a_percentage_of_GDP

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>>135209515
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>>135209515 ..

>>135209515
you just need to look back at the XX century.
what country that implemented marxist ideas survived and it isnt a genocidal dictardorship?

>>135221664
the guys who fought AGAINST Israel and zionism in palestine until the 90s happened to be communists dude.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGUat9c1fbc

>>135216382
this

good post the problem is secret societies working as a team to circumvent unregulated capitalism, so it certainly needs to be reformed. No one succeeds in this world to the top unless they are part of the "team", however these same people will also be in control under communism. We need a full scale revolution and destroy the current wealth system to take the power back from these people and ban secret societies and cap possible profits to keep people from gaining more power and wealth than whole governments. The problem with any system is most people are POS so governments job of regulation should be to keep POS from taking control

>>135222436
dude this entire world is facade, a game these people play to influence how you think and what you believe. Kikes have always been behind communism I prove it conclusively in a book I wrote. Exceptions don't refute the rule, whether they were controlled op or actually against the kikes, is meaningless, the kikes have always been behind communism and still are

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>>135222436
The International Jew, Mein Kampf, World At The Crossroads, The Trail Of The Serpent, The Secret Powers Behind Revolution,

200 Years Together
https://www.revisionisthistory.org/communist.html

>>135222436
If you want to know what is really happening in this world go to this YT channel.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCp5x5kxCgg_A220jNIsLyfA/videos

and buy my book when it hits the shelves in a few months, considered yourself red pilled now, I have led you out of the matrix

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>>135221570
>but I define welfare differently
C'mon dude.

>>135222900
>When Stalin's young daughter Svetlana fell in love with prominent Soviet filmmaker Alexei Kapler, a Jewish man twenty-three years her elder, Stalin was strongly irritated by the relationship. According to Svetlana, "He (Stalin) was irritated more than anything else by the fact that Kapler was Jewish".[51][52] Kapler was convicted to ten years of hard labor in Gulag on the charges of being an "English spy."

Stalin literally told his daughter that she should marry a real russian and not a jew, he disliked them. Judeo-bolshevism is one of the biggest lies of all time. The only thing you can proof is that they are ethnic jews who were communists, but how should they be connected to rich jews like Rothshild and Zionists? And whats their point of supporting an idea that wants to kill them just because they "hate christians", which they dont but they hate institutionalized religion

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>>135224144
obvious kike, nice try shlomo

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>>135224144
,,,

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>>135224144
Lenin made anti-semitism illegal in the soviet union. The entire first politburo of the soviet union was Jewish. This is the last (you) I'm giving you. Your situation is desperate, lurk more, use google & wikipedia, read the gulag archipelago and stay away from commies and other ideologues. You can still be saved.
Godspeed and good luck.

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>>135223311
how else should one define it, do you define it by the country where you have the subjective perception that it is the biggest because some hood rat got a welfare check? Ever been to France? They also got niggers there and they get more welfare and gangbang less. Last year in chicago almost the same amount of people got killed than in all of France, despite niggers. Make a guess
>>135223275
I have watched that kind of videos in 2009, and wheres are video on judeo communism there? whats the name of your book

>>135225268
Yeah because he was kind of a human and did not want random Purges? I checked the list of the first Politburo, Bubvnov and Stalin were no Jews for sure, so no the entire politburo was not jewish

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>>135225268

>>135225044
>there is nothing in nazism which was not taken from Marxism
tell me about the part of Marxism where it says that its okay to kill retards because they are "Volksschädlinge" "Burden of the People". Yes they were both totalitarian ideologies, but they had different ideals, classless society WITHOU private property and national peoples community WITH tolerated private property

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Fuck commies

>>135209515
I cant think of a topic that has more real life and factual examples that would support whatever little forum argument project your working on.

Literally google it man...

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>>135224144

>>135210872
>fluffy abuse comic on the bottom
FOR LITERALLY WHAT FUCKING ACTUAL PURPOSE EVER??!?!?!

>>135227238
really appreciate that pic man, thanks

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>>135225268
Actually it was Stalin

JOSEPH STALIN in a reply given on January 12, 1931 to an enquiry made by the Jewish Telegraphic Agency of America (Stars and Sand, page 316) "Anti-Semitism is dangerous for the toilers, for it is a false track which diverts them from the proper road and leads them into the jungle. Hence, Communists, as consistent internationalists, cannot but be irreconcilable and bitter enemies of anti-Semitism. In the U.S.S.R., anti-Semitism is strictly prosecuted as a phenomenon hostile to the Soviet system. According to the laws of the U.S.S.R. active anti-Semites are punished with death."

>>135227002
stfu faggot

"The Jews were now free to indulge in their most fervent fantasies of mass murder of helpless victims. Christians were dragged from their beds, tortured and killed. Some were actually sliced to pieces, bit by bit, while others were branded with hot irons, their eyes poked out to induce unbearable pain. Others were placed in boxes with only their heads, hands and legs sticking out. Then hungry rats were placed in the boxes to gnaw upon their bodies. Some were nailed to the ceiling by their fingers or by their feet, and left hanging until they died of exhaustion. Others were chained to the floor and left hanging until they died of exhaustion. Others were chained to the floor and hot lead poured into their mouths. Many were tied to horses and dragged through the streets of the city, while Jewish mobs attacked them with rocks and kicked them to death. Christian mothers were taken to the public square and their babies snatched from their arms. A red Jewish terrorist would take the baby, hold it by the feet, head downward and demand that the Christian mother deny Christ. If she would not, he would toss the baby into the air, and another member of the mob would rush forward and catch it on the tip of his bayonet.

>>135227002
Pregnant Christian women were chained to trees and their babies cut out of their bodies. There were many places of public execution in Russia during the days of the revolution, one of which was described by the American Rohrbach Commission: 'The whole cement floor of the execution hall of the Jewish Cheka of Kiev was flooded with blood; it formed a level of several inches. It was a horrible mixture of blood, brains and pieces of skull. All the walls were bespattered with blood. Pieces of brains and of scalps were sticking to them. A gutter of 25 centimeters wide by 25 centimeters deep and about 10 meters long was along its length full to the top with blood. Some bodies were disemboweled, others had limbs chopped off, some were literally hacked to pieces. Some had their eyes put out, the head, face and neck and trunk were covered with deep wounds. Further on, we found a corpse with a wedge driven into its chest. Some had no tongues. In a corner we discovered a quantity of dismembered arms and legs belonging to no bodies that we could locate.'" (Defender Magazine, October 1933).

>>135227002
"The Red Terror became so wide-spread that it is impossible to give here all the details of the principal means employed by the [Jewish] Cheka(s) to master resistance; one of the most important is that of hostages, taken among all social classes. These are held responsible for any anti-Bolshevist movements (revolts, the White Army, strikes, refusal of a village to give its harvest etc.) and are immediately executed. Thus, for the assassination of the Jew Ouritzky, member of the Extraordinary Commission of Petrograd, several thousands of them were put to death, and many of these unfortunate men and women suffered before death various tortures inflicted by cold-blooded cruelty in the prisons of the Cheka.

I have in front of me photographs taken at Kharkoff, in the presence of the Allied Missions, immediately after the Reds had abandoned the town; they consist of a series of ghastly reproductions such as: Bodies of three workmen taken as hostages from a factory which went on strike. One had his eyes burnt, his lips and nose cut off; the other two had their hands cut off.The bodies of hostages, S. Afaniasouk and P. Prokpovitch, small landed proprietors, who were scalped by their executioners; S. Afaniasouk shows numerous burns caused by a white hot sword blade. The body of M. Bobroff, a former officer, who had his tongue and one hand cut off and the skin torn off from his left leg.Human skin torn from the hands of several victims by means of a metallic comb. This sinister find was the result of a careful inspection of the cellar of the Extraordinary Commission of Kharkoff. The retired general Pontiafa, a hostage who had the skin of his right hand torn off and the genital parts mutilated. Mutilated bodies of women hostages: S. Ivanovna, owner of a drapery business, Mme. A.L. Carolshaja, wife of a colonel, Mmo. Khlopova, a property owner.

>>135227002
They had their breasts slit and emptied and the genital parts burnt and having trace of coal.Bodies of four peasant hostages, Bondarenko, Pookhikle, Sevenetry, and Sidorfehouk, with atrociously mutilated faces, the genital parts having been operated upon by Chinese torturers in a manner unknown to European doctors in whose opinion the agony caused to the victims must have been dreadful.
It is impossible to enumerate all the forms of savagery which the Red Terror took. A volume would not contain them. The Cheka of Kharkoff, for example, in which Saenko operated, had the specialty of scalping victims and taking off the skin of their hands as one takes off a glove...At Voronege the victims were shut up naked in a barrel studded with nails which was then rolled about. Their foreheads were branded with a red hot iron FIVE POINTED STAR. At Tsaritsin and at Kamishin their bones were sawed...At Keif the victim was shut up in a chest containing decomposing corpses; after firing shots above his head his torturers told him that he would be buried alive. The chest was buried and opened again half an hour later when the interrogation of the victim was proceeded with. The scene was repeated several times over. It is not surprising that many victims went mad." (S.P. Melgounov, p. 164-166; The Secret Powers Behind Revolution, by Vicomte Leon De Poncins, p. 151-153).
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

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>>135227238
I can literally provide 1000's of sources kike, why are you kikes such morons is it the Mongolian genes?

http://vho.org/aaargh/fran/livres10/WALENDYsolje.pdf

The International Jew, Mein Kampf, World At The Crossroads, The Trail Of The Serpent, The Secret Powers Behind Revolution, 200 Years Together
https://www.revisionisthistory.org/communist.html

Now ignore the evidence and keep posting kikery nonsense

Gaslight
deny/ignore evidence
present counter argument with lies from kike propaganda
rinse repeat

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>>135209515

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>>135229188
The working class need communism

>>135228586
>We have won power in Russia
like I have proven the jews did not control the Soviet Union alone
The letter stalin wrote was made in the early 30s, he just said he does not like anti-semitism in his country, where does this proof that he supported international financial jewery which was located in the capialist USA? he was definetly not a zionist puppet as some polacks would like to portray it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalin_and_antisemitism
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>>135228705
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>>135228858
these things are horrible indeed if they are true but there were not just jews involved in these crimes thats the point,also you still failed to give me the name of your book

>>135230593
all any society needs to do is get rid of kikes. Kiss a Nazi punch a Jew and your country will prosper if you do

>>135217302
>Japan crimestats blablablah

No niggers, simple as.

>>135230991
check France >>135225701 , still less crime per capita despite niggas

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>>135230952
Kek Nazis tried to wipe out half of Europe. Nazi society was short lasting because they got put in their place by big commie bulls. No Nazism for me

>>135230952
then move to your jew free paradise Iran and dont come back please

>>135231497
* meant Saudia Arabia

>>135232471
USSR had 100% literacy, Cuba has lower infant mortality than the US.

Capitalism brings people out of self sufficiency living on land growing their own crops into being wage dependents. In this case if you make more than 2 dollars a day you are above the "extreme poverty" line. Capitalism is a cancer. A lot of these are dependent on technology and not capitalism too.

>>135232471
if you have a "good" system, why not try to continuously optimize it?

>>135232471
And yet people are more depressed then ever. Technology has done little to change happiness

>>135232939
State intervened capitalism is cancer. Alot of this technology is thanks to capitalism

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I did a calc once, if we used the same metrics used for the claim that Stalin killed 20 million, and applied it to Hitler, the Nazi's death totals would come to over 240 million. Even more alarming, if we applied it to King Leopold, it would top 1 billion. Because, the number for Stalin was based on reverse calculating based on census data using a population growth curve which was incredibly unrealistic. If we applied that same method to the US, FDR killed 7 million people.

From 1927-1939, the Soviet population grew at 1.8%, rather high for an industrialized nation (the US at the time grew at only 1.2%, for comparison). This drove the population from 147 million to 168 million. In his claim for "Stalin killed 20 million people," Robert Conquest claimed that the population of 1939 *should* have been 189 million, which would have required a population growth of 3.5%, almost double what the Soviet's had, which would then have been 3x as high as the US for the same period.

So, as the new metric by which population growth must be kept is 3.5%, it becomes trivial to redo population growth in the various nations, and then consider the difference. Leopold is the worst because his nation actually suffered negative growth due to his attrocities, compounding the problem, losing over a million people in Africa during his reign, a harsh reality in a nation of only 5 million. Because Leopold's population growth was negative, it causes his curve to go off the charts, resulting in such an incredibly high number.

As an aside, to support his numbers, Robert Conquest cited a then classified CIA report, #68-124. It was declassified only in 2006, revealing that it was a report on the demographic losses due to legalized Abortion in the Soviet Union. Note, Demographic losses, in other words, assuming each aborted fetus became an adult and had 2.4 kids, what would the population difference be.

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>>135233688
>The USSR pretended to work and thus through sheer imagination managed to beat the Nazis
Wow communism is more OP than I though

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Worth noting that besides Davies, Wheatcroft and Tauger, "the Holodomor narrative is bullshit" is the default position of basically every major historian of the USSR, including reliably anti-communist ones. Alexander Dallin, J. Arch Getty, Moshe Lewin, Robert Conquest, Lynne Viola, Terry Martin, Orlando Figes, Michael Ellman, Hiroaki Kuromiya, etc


"In correspondence Dr Conquest has stated that it is not his opinion that 'Stalin purposely inflicted the 1933 famine. No. What I argue is that with resulting famine imminent, he could have prevented it but put 'Soviet interest' other than feeding the starving first—thus consciously abetting it.'"
(R.W. Davies & Stephen G. Wheatcroft. The Years of Hunger: Soviet Agriculture, 1931-1933. New York: Palgrave Macmillan. 2004. p. 441.)

>>135234002
What exactly is a "kulak". Is it innocent Ukrainian simply wanted independence?

>>135233384
This is a good post. Most of the anti-commie rhetoric is focused on "muh genocide" propaganda

It's pretty funny once you read about planned obsolescence in capitalism systems and then noticing it all around you. All these crap capitalism products breaking all around you making you pay more money for replacements. These broken products then go to fill landfills. Such an inefficient absurd system.

>>135234477
Throw away society is thanks to state intervention.

>>135232939
>living on land growing their own crops
wow it's almost as if the state didnt kill nearly everyone that was doing that in russia lol

>>135234668
Ok I'll bite, how so? I feel like a fucking bum with all this broken shit

>>135234770
You were allowed to grow your own food and have gardens in the USSR

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>>135234967
>be a farmer in russia
>starve because all of your produce was confiscated by the state
imagine the irony....

>>135234851
So the state gives corporations the power to make monopolies by influencing them, writing laws and such; This means all the actually good products fail because cheap shit makes the most profit for the corporations, there's no real competition so quality is not a thing for them.

Also results in the fact that they can force a poor fuck in China to build there 2 cent plastic piece of shit and mark it up 200% to sell to their customers with no competition

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>>135209515

>>135235111
>>135235111
>>135235111
>>135235111

Small town communists may have the answer.

>>135209515
destroyed the wealth that was build by my ancestors

we wuz rich n shi

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>>135234242
Kulaks were the wealthy landowners who owned Ukrainian farms. They owned the property whereas most people were peasants who worked the farms. Kulaks would hoard food to drive up prices and make a profit during famines, and would burn crops rather than sell them.

https://www.marxists.org/glossary/terms/k/u.htm
https://orientalreview.org/2012/12/17/episodes-10-who-organised-famine-in-the-ussr-in-1932-1933/

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>>135209515
Friendly reminder to capital cucks.

>>135234668

But if state won't intervene monopolies and syndicates will overtake all the markets

>>135209515
first off Communism makes most jobs pay the same so if your a cashier or a hard laborer you will be paid the same so it takes away a reason
looking at china, north Korea
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbPth7OAxr8&t=367s
should help show big Gov. is evil
people take out lones all the time for business's.

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P1: I don't know how this never occurred to me until now but I think the story of WW2 about this simple: (not that we'll ever win a screaming match about anything against "6 MILLION JOOOOOOOOS")

> Western industrialists sponsor Nazis' rise to power in Germany as a bulwark against Communism (riding a wave of discontented nationalism post WW1 rape) to counter the growing threat of the labour movement both in Germany and back home in the US

> 1933 US labor movement (threatening communist revolution) wins the New Deal concessions out of Roosevelt in a crushing blow to capitalism

> Nazi power growing and wildly popular with the necessary socialistic policies to provide the "economic miracle" (largely financed by Western industrialists) to strengthen the nation against Soviet power. Nazi rallies fill the stadium back home at Madison Square Garden.

> American business tycoons attempt to stage a fascist coup in the US

> 1933 Smedley Butler publicly foils the plot (nobody goes to jail, inside job much?)

> 1939 Nazi Germany enters non-aggression pact with USSR

[Hitler loved Churchill, had them completely encircled and defenseless in Dunkirk and let them all walk away unscathed when Germany could've won the war right there in what's known as the greatest military "blunder" of all time, though it's clear that British Royalty were Nazi sympathizers so this was all basically for sport. Anywho, recently declassified Soviet archives indicate Stalin was prepping to invade Germany and Churchill warned Hitler, though it seems Churchill was feeding both Hitler and Stalin provocations about each other whether or not he was aware of Stalin's intentions]

> June 1941 Germany invades Russia

> December 5th 1941 Blitzkrieg fails

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>>135237113
P2:
> December 7th 1941 Pearl Harbor [intentional provocation followed by a stand-down defense flop]

> We switched teams and off we went to slaughter our sacrificial lamb before the USSR could slide down into Europe and liberate the proletariat. <Enter nuclear conflagration to account for the alliance between us>

Roosevelt's assistance in the establishment of both Israel (a buy-in Colonial State for wealthy Jews) aided by the anti-Semitism in Germany sponsored by Jewish businessmen in America - in the westish middle-east and Wahhabism in Saudi Arabia to the east (perpetual instability outside of it for preservation of the Kingdom in return for oil) served as pretty clear auxillary functions in the greater scheme of re-consolidating power in the hands of the wealthy faced with the rising threat of losing territory to Arab socialism in the region and of course <enter the Bretton Woods Agreement> and the stage for neoliberalism was set, USSR all that stood in the path the great anglo-american establishment market dominion over the globe.

Suffice it to say our only role in WW2 that wasn't building and profiting by Nazi Germany was sepukku and a couple genocidal power flexes? Because I'm not sure there's any evidence that Hitler "fought the international banks".. I think that might have been his Mexican Wall pitch..

>>135237008
The free market if done properly is so complex that any attempts to take power or violate the NAP results in you being removed from society

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>>135237106
Wrong

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>>135237220

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Communism was founded by Karl Marx, who is related by blood to the Rothschild bankers

The Bourgeoisie wanted a system of complete control, so that the masses gave them 100% of their wealth and property voluntarily (this is why private property doesn't exist under Communism, it's all owned by the state while they tell stupid goyim it's actually all theirs, and it's also why Marx talked about "seizing the means of production")

So they got this Jew, Marx, to indoctrinate the poor fools into giving all their wealth and property to the "state". Not only that, but he also indoctrinated them with ideas such as national borders being bad to push the same globalist agenda

The problem was who runs the state?
The Jews. Via the Central Banking system usually owned by the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, and all these powerful Jews, and in the USSR, the Soviet government (Kaganovich, Trotsky, Zinoviev, Lenin...). This is why the "Russian" Revolution in 1917 was funded by rich Jewish bankers like Jacob Schiff, the Rothschilds, the Warburgs...

You only have to look at Venezuela, it has a Central Banking System. This is why people never become rich in Communist nations, only poor, and why so many people starved in the USSR. The solution is to end the Central Banking Systems

Anyone who still follows communism, an ideology that never worked, has killed over 100M people, is retarded in terms of social policies (let's destroy national borders and the family unit because of "capitalism"?) and was only ever created by Jews to benefit Jews if you look at it objectively, is retarded. The original communism is Jewish supremacism.The fact that they've convinced so many college students to think it's any good shows how far the ideological subversion has come

Marx advocated genocide, so did Trotsky and Lenin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAYtknd1ncY
>Karl Marx planned genocide for Europe's "Racial Trash"

>>135237425
Thats fake capitalism

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>>135237519
That's because capitalism only works good on paper.

>>135237005
The ultimate irony that you will never understand is that you are not the proletariat. There isn't a single prole on this website.
>>135236956
>almost every country in the world has had an attempted Marxist revolution
And those that succeeded have either failed spectacularly or shed anything resembling communism.
>transformed a third of the globe into secular republics
Because they fucking hated being under communist rule? That's the most pathetic attempt to call it success I've ever heard, on par with calling a bullet to the head a cure for cancer.

>>135237519
its in the nature of unregulated free market capitalism that monopolies get created, fake capitalism, real capitalism, it will all the same

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Tfw communism is the ultimate red pill

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>>135238001
Do you know what a prole is?
P1

>>135237780
Anarcho capitalism is real Capitalism, I know this is ironic say this to a communist. Capitalism is inheritantly libertarian, When the state gets involved they fuck up and destort and blame their incompetancy on capitalism.

If you want proof the free market works, look at the samsung s7, they lost billions of dollars because they rushed the product and made reckless business decisions. Also bitcoin, a single one is worth $3000 now. The state decreases the value of money and capitalists increase it

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>>135236569
Friedman is exactly the opposite because he came from a poor working class family, and despite being the recipient of government subsidy, advocated against welfare.

The argument in the OP is that Marx wasn't a representative of the class he supposedly lead, and Milton Friedman doesn't fit that because he didn't try to lead a class and he wasn't born into the social elite.
Bad meme

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>>135238225
>>135238001
P2

>>135238237
Works on paper and not in practice. Capitalism needs states to protect property.

>>135237425
murder is a moral claim
where are communists deriving their morality from?

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>>135238237
Friendly reminder.

>>135238391
Where does any morality come from? Empathy.

>>135238529
Morality based on empathy is subjective and subjective morality is amoral relativism

Ask him why'd he support a system that has killed more people than the 3rd Reich

>>135238613
Precisely. Morality can only be based in duty to be meaningful. Duty usually means your religion, nation, and family.

>>135237425

This is the most retarded argument ever. Why does it keep getting posted? Are commies too stupid to understand the difference between mother nature and capitalism?

>>135238613
That's your problem. Morality has always been subjective. It evolved from empathy, which is needed to survive and then gets moulded based on culture and society. This has absolutely nothing to do with the numbers killed by capitalism. The typical anti communist arguement is "100 million deaths in the 20th century", while capitalism kills that every 5 years.

>>135238817
And your class.

>>135237220

But... Who would enforce NAP principles? And if this so called "non-aggressive" principles are enforced... Are they really "non-aggressive"?

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>>135238879
Logically you're right, but dialectically you're wrong.

>>135238879
Because there is no difference between killing with a bullet and killing by neglect when the responsibility stems from the system itself and not on particular individuals?

>>135237309
ok top of the thing
a gov. should not have the right over private property, what you buy is yours. that fact that gov. can take it away means that big gov.
is sorta a bully. a private business can hire anyone they want and you should have an equal opportunity to leave if you want to work or want to leave

middle
that is right

bottom
so people who might know nothing about how the business works should have say on how it operates should they also take the same risk as starting it and go to meetings.
and should those workers take away from people who took the financial risk of starting it.
how will they pick new employees and how will they be paid will they all get an equal split. and if so what is the point of working hard when you can just do the bare minimum to keep your job.

>>135238613
every form of morality is subjective, because all of the time snowflakes like you can appear and disagree with it. Also religious moral is subjective morality, just percived as absolute truth by group of believers, but not by the unbelievers. The challenge is to find the best subjective morality
>>135238391
ein Ancap redet über Moral lol

>>135239219
https://www.thenation.com/article/worker-cooperatives-are-more-productive-than-normal-companies/

>>135238921
Correct morality is found in the Bible which is God's word. God sent Jesus to live a perfect life then die as a sacrifice for everyone's sin, because all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
If you accept salvation you have eternal life in Heaven, if you reject it and continue to follow the devil you spend eternity in Hell

>>135239228
interpretations vary but logically in any exclusive statements only one can be correct

>>135239179
By that logic, you'd have to include those that capitalism and communism have helped.
Who has communism directly helped?

>>135239439

Nice baiting, bro.

>>135233384
Get fucked. They killed 6 million in the holodomor alone.

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>>135239007
Class is a spook desu.

>>135239506

Russia? By turing post "slave-owning" stale state into somehow industrial country.

>>135239439
define morality according to your opinion, morals are just a subjective set of rules that societies set up, for example in one country its illegal to do x and in another x its perfectly legal

Marxists base their morals on the ideal what serves best for everyone, especially having empathy with the poorer elements of society, utilitaristic to a certain degree

>communism works when all the customers are foreign capitalists...basically Jewish exploitation of the goyim labour force.

>>135239179

>>135239179

Simply because someone is better off than you does make them your protector or savior. Your definition of "killing" is ridiculous. You think like a needy child instead of a responsible adult.

>>135239390

That must be why worker coop produce so much more research and goods...oh wait. Logic isn't your strong point but you don't seem to realize it. A common common trait among communist, actually.

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>>135239506
The millions of people in formerly fuedalist or backwards third world countries that now have homes, food, healthcare and employment? The life expectancy of the Russian and Chinese people basically doubled ffs. There were plenty of national liberation movements supported by communists and the reason many people in the first world have the social safety nets is due to organization from communists and socialists, alongside threats of revolution domestically as well and foreign pressure. Did the life expectancy rise or lower following the dissolution of the USSR? What about poverty? Take a guess. Also take a look at the 1991 referendum, there's a reason an overwhelming majority voted to preserve socialism.

Why the fuck is this thread still here? I've already reported it. Fuck off with your Communist propaganda shit.

>>135239872
Class is a material reality, actually.

>>135239881
Because they stole everything from its satellites? And they still could barely compete with the Western world. All it got you was the worst police state of the modern world. It didn't even abolish the elites, it just changed their name to party elite.

>>135240010
Are you asking me to define morality in my view?
To be moral is to follow the bible correctly. All laws are based on a morality, but the difference in laws by country or era doesn't mean morality has changed, but countries' interpretation of it.
The Marxists base their worldview on the immoral view that property doesn't belong to it's owner, and that someone who is not an owner of said property has an entitlement to it. They adopt this because they don't believe God will provide for them.

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>>135209515
Economics 101 introduces the idea of "allocative efficiency", where producers decide where the scarce resources are to be allocated based on the supply and demand of the market. Without those market forces dictating where to put which resources it's left up to the government to decide. Regardless of whether it is full communism or just government intervention in a formerly free market, the government is always less efficient at determining allocation. Every single time. This alone is why communism can not be taken seriously

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>>135237780
>america survived for over 200 years on a policy that doesnt work
>my communism on the other hand lasted less than a century in the ussr, before it collapsed
Are you that fucking dense?
>in b4 "waaa, communism failed because of capitalism"

>>135240648
Why are leftist memes so shit? Didn't you learn when you tried to meme Hillary that it doesn't work?

>>135219954
>Waste water
Do you know how the water cycle works?
Do you know what water treatment plants are?

>>135241222

>leftist
>Hillary

Pick one

>>135240772
They also will never rebut this point, simply because they can't. The most you can expect is "muh capitalism is bad", without being able to tell how communism will escape one of the basic laws of economics that has remained true in every single market since time began

>>135240406
So you're saying socialism brought them those things? I thought you said it was communism that did this.
>The millions of people in formerly fuedalist or backwards third world countries that now have homes, food, healthcare and employment?
Ah, yes. The people starving during the holodomor sure enjoyed the benefits of having food.
There's also a reason that Soviet satellites left the first chance they could get. Of course life expectancy and poverty would change, they just got rid of Russia. You think they wouldn't take everything that wasn't nailed down?

>>135237220
>NAP
the problem is if someone obtains wealth in a free market society they automatically get more power than the poorer, you can pay for more soldiers in your army and so your might makes right even though you could be a total douchebag, with all respect I have to say ancpap is so far the most stupid political ideology I have yet stumbled across, I would be totally fine if you try it out on a small island as a scientific experiment with likeminded people but dont complain when shit hits the fan and it turns to dayz IRL

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>>135240486
The spookiest spook of all. Material wealth seems important, but it doesn't matter for long. Nationality, religious fervor, and the family prove more important in the long run. It is said poverty is a test of culture. Note that while poor Jews and Turks exist they don't form slums. Other groups (Gypsies, Irish Travelers, and many non-Whites) live in slums even if they get rich.

>Nearly all western thought since the last war, certainly all “progressive” thought, has assumed tacitly that human beings desire nothing beyond ease, security and avoidance of pain. In such a view of life there is no room, for instance, for patriotism and the military virtues. The Socialist who finds his children playing with soldiers is usually upset, but he is never able to think of a substitute for the tin soldiers; tin pacifists somehow won’t do. Hitler, because in his own joyless mind he feels it with exceptional strength, knows that human beings don’t only want comfort, safety, short working-hours, hygiene, birth-control and, in general, common sense; they also, at least intermittently, want struggle and self-sacrifice, not to mention drums, flags and loyalty-parades. However they may be as economic theories, Fascism and Nazism are psychologically far sounder than any hedonistic conception of life.

-George Orwell

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>>135241222
The only half way decent ones are literaly copy past from right wing ones.

>>135241338
Obsessed with LGBT, hates white people, hates borders, wants to tax the successful and intelligent, wants more state control in the economy.....

>>135241377
You showed that you have no idea what either of those terms mean. What does the second 'S' in 'USSR' stand for again?

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>135241338
So close

>>135241607
Starvation?

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>>135241571
Not leftist. Learn the difference between centrists/liberals and leftists. Leftists = communist and anarchist.
Liberals get the bullet too.

>>135241794
>>135241607
Capped for future ylyl threads.

>>135209515
If you can't afford to pay a livable wage .... you invest in an automated teller. (see also: Seattle minimum wage experiment).

I love all of the enthusiasm /pol/ is experiencing via the marxtards, but if you want clear evidence of how the left will always eat itself ... just look at every major sanctuary city in America. Look at Detroit. Look at California (but, muh - "we're the 7th biggest economy in the world" ... leaving out that they were the 5th when last governed under Republicans ... and they now carry a 1.3 trillion in debt and half of the country's illegals).

Just read - or - listen to Thomas Sowell's "Basic Economics". Within 45 minutes you will be laughing at how these institutionalized groupthinkers could be so mentally ill.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQiBD-crrvA

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>>135209515
Good he's on the right path, just convince him that white people are the only ones capable of it and we're good to go.

>>135240568
Interesting, unfortunately god apperantly did not provide enough property for everyone otherwise their would be no reason for anyone to follow communism

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>>135241847
So antifa, who happen to fit the previous description?

Does nothing about "I owe you for existing" seem a bit unfair? Taking away personal responsibilities from people leads to disaster, as we have seen before.

>>135215446
>good
>communists
Take off the fasces, you don't deserve to wear it.

>>135241847
You get taught that in your Marxist college classes? Watch some Jordan Peterson. Every Communist state has been a human rights nightmare - you think you'd be the saviour and you'd create the perfect country? Think again, sunshine. They all thought that too. Even if you did manage to create a harmonious society, one of the party members would be right there to stab you in the back and take the seat of power for himself.

Read some fucking history.

>>135242098
>>135242098
The stipulation is that you work, that's the marxist dilemma
>Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they? Matt 6:26
>For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat. 2 Thessalonians 3:10

>>135209515
>Please help me, I don't want my friend to be a commie.
Just report him to Do-30 as a drug peddler. He'd be dead, but he won't be a commie.

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>>135242132
>complex operation does not require management
Are you mentaly ill?

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>>135242775
Need to add,
>worker makes 100 coins
>employer makes 1 coin per employee
>1 million employees
>ZOMG YOU THIEF!
Commies cant into logic

>>135242655
so many times in history even to ones who feared god and did sow and reap fell died while the kings were living sinful lives,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_famine_of_1891%E2%80%9392 her this one for example killed at least 375 000 people

>>135240566

I see butthurt, but not reason. How does Roman Empire established itelf? How does every other country, including US, gained power? By rerouting and reclaiming resources this is how it's done. That is Caspitalusm 101.

And again you know nothing about revolution in Russia. Life expectancy in Russian Empire for males was less than 40, in USSR, after war it growed up to 60 and miore. Less than 20% of population of Russian Wampire was able to read, write and count. USSR made education mandatory for everyone, and amount of educated people grew up to 80%.

>>135243184
And capitalism would have achieved the same (as it did in the entire west) without 60 million deaths from Stalin's genocides alone.

>>135243137
true, that's why the involuntary tax is theft and rejects the bible's picture of stewardship

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>>135209515
Here kid. 15 mins of refutation because I'm assuming you are a millennial and have zero attention span.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjMpoQarbHo

>>135243373
<60 million deaths from Stalin's genocides alone.
who literally claimes that? like how is this even possible, I have never heard someone come up with a freaking 60 million number, the black book of communism says 20 million btw

Major redpill on communism:
http://victimsofcommunism.org

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>>135243650
Solzhenitsyn. The guy who lived through it.

>>135240772
>>135241363
See? Crickets every time

>>135243650
Btw..... learn to greentext redditor newfag

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>>135243972
Solzhenitsyn got the number from the internal USSR records. I myself think it's a little high.

>>135244211
>USSR official "records"
>too high
Holy shit, my fucking sides are in orbit.

>>135244346
66 million is a lot of people, but it could be.

>>135244557
That's the power of communism and rejecting human nature.

>>135243972
these numbers have later been revised and the modern consensus among historians is that about 20 million people died because of Stalins policies, he killed between 6 to 8 throgh direct action
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin#Calculating_the_number_of_victims

>>135244120
its 8 am here and im in this thread since 2 am, jeez

I'm not going to even read this thread. The extent of arguments you guys come up with is "this one government didn't do so well and people died". Communism isn't even a political stance, its something to be achieved. Marxism is only a philosophy but doesn't teach the right party politics that will help us reach Communism.

>>135244642
I've read the first volume of Gulag Archipelago and half of the second. Communism is terrible, far worse than any doctrine besides possibly Islam. Communism needs Gulags aka slave labor to function. Gulags are an inevitable result of applying dialectic to a legal system.

>>135243373

I don't want to question your marh abilities, but you do realise, that by the moment revolution happened there were only 120 million people in whole russian empire(which was almost the same size as USSR). So... If about 10(no one really counted in fact, 10 million of only enlisted soldiers died)mil died during civil war, more than 30 mil died in WW2, and then comes Stalin and kills 60 mil people... There should be only about 20 milliion people left after 1950s.

>>135244909
Since you're so determined to ignore history, refute this statement on basic economics
>>135240772

>>135244923
>Gulags are an inevitable result of applying dialectic to a legal system.
This doesnt even make sense.... something tells me youre another poltard whos never touched das kapital in their life

glad to see 3 of the 5 NZ posters are here

>>135231394
>Kek Nazis tried to wipe out half of Europe. Nazi society was short lasting because they got put in their place by big commie bull

kek just like a kike, claim the exact opposite of reality in the first half of the sentence than take credit for the work of gentiles in the other

>>135245293
Prosecution = Thesis

Defense = Antithesis

Conviction = Synthesis

I read DK forever ago, but Gulag Archipelago is far more informative. Communism is best described by it's opponents, just like liberalism and Islam.

>>135245382
>nz ID
Muldoon turned all 5 of us into anti-socialists

>>135245586
you forgot to mention German nationalsocialism

>>135209515
The real redpill on communism is that every country came out of it racially homogenous, non-degenerate and anti-Islam. Only a couple of decades of capitalism and this has started to erode.

>>135243373
Oh, I've forgot about the main thesis of your post. Yeap, it could, but Russia at the time was post monarchy, pre-capitalistic, pre-industrial and already got itself oligarchy from post-nobles, who weren't interested invesring in reforming society and west was okay with that, so basically so called prolles had no other way other than revolt.

>>135246162
Natsoc is better to source from neutral sources, it's opponents are too hysterical

>>135246162
>>135245293
Let's play spot the kike in this thread.
>argue that kikes are not behind communism >only two people in the thread that are communists are kikes

kikes are imbeciles

>>135246162
I don't know enough about National Socialism to make that assessment. I do know that it had a very interesting monetary policy. My only critique to the full-chan NatSocs is that they don't really entertain challenges to their ideology that have arisen in the subsequent 70 years. This leads to them hating allies who don't agree with them on every little thing.

Libertarianism is also an ideology that is best described by its detractors.

>>135215775
#6 ^^^^

>>135246396
same can be said about some communist opponents,Solzhenitsyn literally lived in the soviet Union while the gulag archipelago was released, he was expelled and deported without being killed or touched like muh 66 million
>>135246509
>>135246558
why should I support natsoc that tolerates killing retards just because of their genetics, I never got over that part, they only thing that you wankers can resort to is call people kikes if they disagree with your opinion, yet again you have no proof

>>135245646
yeah, I guess after being blasted with leftist hippy bullshit for the last few decades its not surprising that a lot of NZ'ers are becoming pretty right wing lately

>>135247048
Eugenics at some level are inevitable. We practice this on the personal level when we discriminate against unsuitable mates. Policy wise we tolerate (sometimes even encourage) abortion because it reduces the number of people born retarded or to criminals. Most civilized countries used to have sterilization for the mentally infirm, and the resurgence of trans things mean that in practice. As for the actual euthanasia I doubt I could go that far, but I understand someone who would. At the very least sterilization of the infirm, whether voluntary or involuntary, would reduce their burden over a longer time span.

I also agree that anti-Semitism can go too far. Jews do all manner of bad things, but they aren't magic. Some people will like things until they learn a Jew made it. That's going too far. Being aware of subversion is important. See: 200 Years Together and The Culture of Critique.

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http://www.angelfire.com/rebellion2/goyim/je1.pdf
https://archive.org/stream/Solzhenitsyn200YearsTogether/Solzhenitsyn-200%20Years%20Together_djvu.txt

>>135247048
>why should I support natsoc that tolerates killing retards just because of their genetics

um that is not a natsoc policy you fuck wit, just because the Nazis (may) have done it. Besides you have no problem with killing non kikes though gas your fucking self you retarded kike

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>>135247048
>they only thing that you wankers can resort to is call people kikes

I can spot a kike in 2 sentences faggot, there is no question you are a shlomo. Why do you all bother here, you convince no one all you do is strengthen anyone's argument by simply watching you do your kikery

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>>135248211
You're doing God's work, anon.

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>>135248005
>its not a natsoc policy

>>135248211
>supporting Henry Ford
see >>135237005, also fuck your stupid ass nonexistent book

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>>135248803
gas yourself before we find you motherfucker

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New Ottowha flag btw if you make any videos of satanic 666 symbolism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottawa

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>>135242775
wow that is terrible, you people have no concept of meme magic

>>135249233
why you posting Illuminati symbols you retarded faggot

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>>135248896
>Hippie flag
>Gas yourself before we find you

>>135248896
lies lies lies, the central comitee did not have 12 members after the revolution
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Committee_elected_by_the_6th_Congress_of_the_Russian_Social_Democratic_Labour_Party_(Bolsheviks)#Members

>>135249656
you will hang from piano wire faggoty kike

>>135249399
now your going full tinfoil and show how silly paranoid you really are, you know that kek is a meme which was created on this board and has nothing to do with da illuminati?

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>>135249914
FUCKING ROFL KIKEPEDIA, please use a high school paper by shlomo noseberg for a source next

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/aug/18/wikipedia-editing-zionist-groups

>>135250150
Why didn't you archive?
https://archive.is/kXfOz

>>135250150
do you trust this russian page, or any other of the 10 000 sources who confirm this (use google translate)
http://www.knowbysight.info/2_KPSS/07179.asp

>>135250387
nigger all anyone ever has to do to confirm kikes are scummy POS guilty of everything anyone has ever said about them is argue with one

>>135248896
shouldnt it be "ethnicity" instead of "nationality"?

jew isnt really a nationality, also jewess is the exact same as jew having a male/female versions of it is stupid

>>135251203
Traditionally there isn't much difference between those two words. Nationality predates the nation-state.

>>135209515
>livable wages
>commie

you don't even know what communism is, how do you expect to argue against it?

>>135251203
down unda nigger didnt a dango ate ya baaby you need to catch

>>135209515
1. Communism is based on flawed assumptions
2. communism relies on having a benevolent dictator
3. Communism/socialism has never worked in practice,
4. The end product of communism is anarchy/ communal governance
5. Stalin
6. Mao
7. Kim il sung
8. Communism creates a class based society where mobility is based on political connections, not skill
9. Communism is very prone to corruption (look at the way the leaders lived vs the people
10. Most of the issues people claim are "capitalism" are actually either socialist or corruption, either way capitalism is not the issue, people having power of the system is, which is what communism is.

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>>135244211

You want a reason? How about 100 million innocent people murdered by communist regimes in the 20th century. Take a vacation to Venezuela and see how you like it.

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>>135217302
U.S has a high murder rate? rly makes u think

>>135251968
you're dead when we find you kike

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>>135253416
>you're dead when we find you kike

>>135210219
It is a good idea, but the problem is that since it attracts people who like power turns it into an authoritarian state dictatorship, instead of everyone doing well in a state wide-community.

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>>135253470
Reminder that you literally cannot refute basic economics
>Economics 101 introduces the idea of "allocative efficiency", where producers decide where the scarce resources are to be allocated based on the supply and demand of the market. Without those market forces dictating where to put which resources it's left up to the government to decide. Regardless of whether it is full communism or just government intervention in a formerly free market, the government is always less efficient at determining allocation. >Every single time. This alone is why communism can not be taken seriously

>>135216070
>it's the fault of others!
>it wasn't real socialism!
lmao I'm glad that Europe purged your shitty ideology

>>135253741
You're right, it's not falsifiable because it's voodoo shilled by globalists.

>>135253907
It happens in every single market, no matter how big or small (even little kids lemonade stands) and always has.
Reminder that facts=voodoo to people who can't comprehend them

>>135249917
He's just laughing at the juxtaposition of your flag and post

>>135254185
He is an Illuminati shill he tried to post a KEK meme with Illuminati bullshit in it >>135249233

>>135209515
I can tell you why central planing and socialism (absence of private property ) are bad.

It starts looking good, i.e government controls production, hence everyone will be provided with goods.

But no

1. In free market (market with zero or little interventions from government) price indicates demand. If price goes up within same supply , it means demand increases, if goes down, means decreased. This is a signal for companies about how much amount of certain good is needed to be produced.

In central planing and socialism , government controls both production and demand. Prices exist but can no longer represent demand , since they are set by government and they can set any price they like and sell for that price. The plans are based on assumptions.
This wouldn't that bad, it there was no bureaucracy, every plan must be approved , after finding way through maze of government structures and getting approved , the plan no longer represents the actual needs of population and needs to change, which requires another set of approvals... and this goes far... In the end country produces extra amount of certain goods, while others are in deficit.

2. Government control on factories , means it can cover the losses... hence little or no initiative to reduce costs and be effective... It has no meanings... Even if you are effective, gov will take your money and give to some shitty factory.

3. The Problem in 2 makes another problem. The factories have no money to expand production or improve their products. They can't make any investment themselves, they must request money from Government.
A good example of that is production of cars in soviet union, specifically production of "Ladas", whose production was limited and who saw little change through their life cycle. A 2101 car produced 1970 was the almost the same as 2101 produced in 1988. Hence deficit and low quality goods.


TL:DR, Bureaucracy sucks, never let government decide , what should you consume and make.

>>135255217
Also the bigger the bureaucracy is the more corrupted it becomes.