Hinduism General

>>135168538
>Political Significance of Hinduism in this Age

All the decadence of the world today has been predicted by Hinduism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kali_Yuga

Prophesied events during a Kali Yuga

>Rulers will become unreasonable: they will levy taxes unfairly.
>Rulers will no longer see it as their duty to promote spirituality, or to protect their subjects: they will become a danger to the world.
>People will start migrating, seeking countries where wheat and barley form the staple food source.
>At the end of Kali-yuga, when there exist no topics on the subject of God, even at the residences of so-called saints and respectable gentlemen of the three higher varnas [temperament] and when nothing is known of the techniques of sacrifice, even by word, at that time the Lord will appear as the supreme chastiser.

Kali Yuga with regard to human relationships

>Avarice and wrath will be common. Humans will openly display animosity towards each other. Ignorance of dharma will occur.
>People will have thoughts of murder with no justification and will see nothing wrong in that.
>Lust will be viewed as socially acceptable and sexual intercourse will be seen as the central requirement of life.
>Sin will increase exponentially, while virtue will fade and cease to flourish.
>People will take vows and break them soon after.
>People will become addicted to intoxicating drinks and drugs.
>Teachers will no longer be respected and their students will attempt to injure them. Their teachings will be insulted, and followers of Kama(lust) will wrest control of the mind from all human beings.

>>135168538
Resources
>introduction to Hinduism for westerners
https://archive.org/stream/reneguenon/1921%20-%20Introduction%20to%20the%20Study%20of%20the%20Hindu%20Doctrines%20#page/n1/mode/1up


>Bhagavad Gita
http://www.bhagavad-gita.org/index-english.html

https://archive.org/details/TheBhagavadGitaByCRajagopalachari
>Upanishads
http://www.hinduwebsite.com/upanishadindex.asp

>Vedas
http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/

>MAHABHARATA by C Rajagopalachari
http://www.gita-society.com/section3/mahabharata.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwiHrferzdbSAhXIQ48KHXpjBfIQFggnMAA&usg=AFQjCNEVJFySM166gELxlwp_gULUgD7yjw&sig2=KRg3OHxt-7NTN7O0TaIkYw

>Ramayan Anime
https://youtu.be/rAM9x_GF9VY

>>135168538
the biggest meme of existance is thi kind of nihilism sheiit... go and praise your fuckin bathroom if you have one... you guys are so damm fucking retarded and the kind of beliefs you guys have makes question the superpower indian meme, HEY WHITE PEOPLE HITLER GIVE A FUCK ABOUT US WE WUZZZ HONORARY ARYANS AND SHEEIIIT

>>135168908
>that sperg
Wew

>>135168639
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ITS ALMOST LIKE IF THIS STUFF NEVER HAPPENED IN THE PAST AKA SODOM AND GAMORON,pol is a christian board faggot go and praise your overlod varg burgernesssomewhere else

and than you so much for demonising the swuaztika aka the hexagram spin to the left pole if you know how to apply this to the meta all

>>135169397
I can never tell if it's a larp or are you serious cause if your holy book is supposed to be try why my book is supposed to be mythology

>>135169623
*true.

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Stop identifying with your mind.

>>135169698
Wait are you a bot?

>>135169806

No, just consistent

>>135169899
Kek, nice one crypto panjeet, where are you from?

>>135170014

There's no deception here. I am but a simple snownigger

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>>135170641
Really? What got you into Hinduism and have you read anything or you just follow this guy?

Hindu here.

AMA

>>135172662
Where are you from .?

>>135172773
Antarctica.

As a Russian pagan, I pretty much only look at the Vedic paganism, anything beyond 800BC I take a massive pile of salt.

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>>135168908
>>135169397

>>135172930
A.. Are you a hyperboer
>>135172975

Well most of the stuff after that is mythology so

>>135170278
we had flying planes and shiet

>>135173401
What do you mean by 'mythology'?
Also what is your opinion on Krsna consciousness (ISKON)?

>>135173401
>Well most of the stuff after that is mythology so
I look into pretty much every version of Aryan paganism, especially since the Indo-Aryan were literate which is particularly useful. The issue is separating what the Indo-Aryan religion was and what was added in by the native peoples over time. I still look into the modern stuff but I'm very careful about it lol.

>>135168538
Krishna spends the entire baghavad gita explaining how he is the One, and all things emanate from Him
>no central deity
Fuck off kike

>>135168639
Q: why should teachers be respected if they openly preach destruction of your culture?

>>135173558
Well we did.
>>135173706
I believe them to be true or the accounts were written by someone Trippin on soma
>ISKON
I believe it to be kike subversion
Inb4 krsna comes and starts spamming merchants

>>135173852
Well as the most likely 'writers' of the Vedas were the harrapans you are in for some historical surprises
>>135173935
Yeah you forgot the part where is says atma me hi paramatma Hai, Wew

>>135174136
Those who you're talking about don't deserve to be called "teacher"

>>135174136
What do you mean? Is that a real thing?

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quality thread, my curry eating friend

>>135172975
>forgoing the unparalleled splendor of Adi Shankara's works because muh huwhite women in huwheat fields

>>135173706
mythology as in the stories of the puranas and the epics are not supposed to be taken as literally true, similar to the iliad and the odyssey. ISKON are pretty weird my dude, advaita vedanta is where it's at. There's a lot of bullshit to filter through, the most cancerous of which is New Ageism

>>135170816

Hinduism specifically, Yogananda's Autobiography of a Yogi. I've been looking into Eastern philosophies particularly pertaining to the nature of existence and the self because of certain experiences I started having last year. I've been practicing Buddhist meditation for a little while and started branching into yoga recently. I've been an atheist all my life, but I've suddenly found myself in a situation where I have no idea what's what anymore

>>135168639
Redpilled.

>using the Black Sun a Germanic occult symbol

what does that have anything to do with Hinduism?

>>135168538
>Hinduism is neither polytheistic, monotheistic, trinitarian or henotheistic, yet it is all at the same time.

yeah
but no
it is not transcendental paradox state of theisms/deisms

it is polytheistic, full stop

>>135174324
>Well as the most likely 'writers' of the Vedas were the harrapans you are in for some historical surprises
I've read through a decent amount of the rig Veda, I tried to go through the other Vedas and Upanishads. It was clearly diverging rapidly from the invader religion so I stopped.

>>135174143
I still don't understand what you mean by mythology. Do you mean as opposed to allegory? How can something being true and something being a drug induced delusion fall under the same category of 'mythology'?

What is it about ISKON that makes it subversive? Do you mean that it was used to subvert the west in the 60s and 70s? Or do you mean that the teachings were altered as a means of subverting the morals of the westerners they converted to Krsna consciousness?

>>135174608
I can relate to it too much anon, although he talk a lot of hippie bs you should look into terrance Mckenna for discovery of self try reading the Upanishads they are woke af, I would suggest physcedelics too but only if you can

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Yo.

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>>135168908
omg

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>>135174663
https://atlanticcenturion.wordpress.com/2016/09/14/esoteric-kekism-is-a-religion-of-peace/#more-5175
it's a dank meme from the early days of "kekist" cringiness, no doubt OP thought it would attract the dank memers of 4chan's /pol/. A little wisdom would have informed him that a picture of a full-bodied negress is far more effective

>>135174663
It's just a meme anon
>>135174744
The part where we are living in the Brahmans dream and everything is his manifestation

>>135175279
both the deity Kek and the Black Sun symbol are much older than the dumb kekistan nonsense

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sun_(occult_symbol)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kek_(mythology)

>>135174546
>advaita vedanta
>People who believe in Advaita believe that their soul is never really different from God (google)

I thought the separation of souls was critical to Hinduism? What are the main texts of advaita vedanta?

>>135174744
>what is Brahman
it's monotheistic, nigger.

>>135175358
>The part where we are living in the Brahmans dream and everything is his manifestation

thats nice

still polytheistic

>>135174837
Kek, yes always remember the Asur and the devas had the same father shits gonna get real intense if you try figuring out what the migrants wrote and what the natives wrote

>>135175505
yeah, but no
again.

Is it true that the Kali Yuga ends in 2025?
What happens then?

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>>135168538

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Why do some versions of the Black Sun have a circle in the middle and some don't?

>>135174837
Indra is the main Aryan god and over time loses importance to the big three Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva. Brahma and Vishnu are definitely added locally, Shiva is probably a local deity that is merged with Rudra, a minor Aryan god.

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>>135168538
Do Hindus have to follow the caste system since it's in the religion or nah
Having a rigid social order can be a good thing I think

>>135174874
Mythology are stories we find in our sacred text, the soma part is just my interpretation it could all be true was most probably was.
>ISKON
They repacked Christianity in the Geeta they are a subversion of Hinduism and of eastern religions as a whole, teaching false translations to whitey for money, some of them might have good intentions but it still seems shady af

>>135175001

I've got the Vedas lying around that I haven't gotten to yet. Started reading the Mahabharat recently. As for Western philosophers, I greatly enjoy Alan Watts. Terrance Mckenna is definitely on my list as well. I'm going to Peru to drink ayahuasca later this year, actually

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>>135175577
the part where you can completely ignore and not believe in any Hindu god and still believe in dharma, the organizing principle of the universe, and karma, the metaphysical dust of interaction between conscious entities that shapes the reality of perception.

>mfw you can be an atheist Hindu

>>135175645
A major happening mostly
https://grahamhancock.com/dmisrab6/

>>135176111
Well their are really good mahabharat and Ramayana TV shows which I would consider good representation of the text
>ayahuasca
Man you should listen to mckenna asap look into the psychedelic salon they have all his talks in a proper format

>>135176136
Yes
>>135175818
>Indra is a God
Topkek

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>>135175455
no shit, but their use for cringy neo-esotericism is what produced that picture, and its association with hinduism

>>135175506
>the deities are overtly mythological and meant to represent archetypal aspects of the one source of the universe
>this is difficult for autists to grasp
fair enough, I know your kind are capable of great things but that you require some extra patience. it's ok, sweetie

>>135175494
>I thought the separation of souls was critical to Hinduism?
this is a subtle point. The separateness of individuals and the existence of material phenomena is referred to as "maya." This is usually translated as "illusion," but it's not meant to imply that it doesn't actually exist. The brahman and the atman are the substratum from which the universe and the self, respectively are molded, similar to how a jar made of clay is just clay, the jar-ness is only apparent. Advaita asserts the non-duality of atman and brahman.

>What are the main texts of advaita vedanta?
Adi Shankara solidified this philosophy around the 8th century CE, although people had been heading in this direction for millennia. His writings and commentary on the upanishads are extremely clear and well worth reading.

>>135168908

Sadly most of India aren't hindus are followers of any spirituality.. they're basically like lukewarm CHRISTIANS.

>>135175975
So what is it that you look for in Hinduism? Stories from which to derive knowledge/advice that can be implemented in your life, insights into metaphysics, or actual spiritual faith/conviction?

>>135169397
>pol is a christian board faggot
shut up faggot if anything its Euro Pagen

>>135176600
All of the things you mentioned as I grow older I see Hinduism more than just stories and text, the people who wrote our religion were really onto something

>>135176600
>stories from which to derive knowledge/advice/inspiration to implement in your life
>insight into metaphysics
not so much actual conviction. The way I see it is Christian prayers are more like:
>God, please give me a million dollars
>God, please give me the strength to kill these sandniggers
>God, please bless America
Whereas, at least for me, Hinduism is more:
>I should try to acquire a million dollars
>sandniggers do not follow dharma and must be eradicated
>My dharma as a kshatriya is to protect my nation and family
Of course my understanding is very biased, as a Hindu.

>>135176434

Thanks, it's getting late so I bookmarked it for later

>>135177240
Hopefully you find whatever you are looking for anon, from whatever you wrote we've had a very similar journey I wish you well.

>>135176563
How are you defining 'self'? Obviously what we (read; normies) think of as 'self' is merely material nature. This includes body, mind, personality and history. In that sense our 'self' is part of maya which is an energy of 'god' (quoting google again). But our souls are not material right? Or maybe I'm wrong on this point. Still I thought the idea was to separate the understanding of 'self' from the material (therefore temporal) components and focus the understanding of 'self' on the (everlasting) soul.

>>135176563
>>135177175
We are really taking over their country aren't we

>>135168908
You're an embarrassment to us westerners, please don't post again.

>>135174546
>advaita vedanta is where it's at
This is the most subversive philosophy I have ever encountered. Nothing in christianity can even compete with the insidious nature of Advaita.

>>135177473
Maya is materialism basically, everything pertaining to achieving materials is maya and yes the soul is not material but the cycle of life and death is maya the soul must escape from, the atma and the body have different kind of maya

>>135177473
It's always been useful for me to swap "soul" for "consciousness" when reading translations of old Hindu scriptures. The way I understand the reflection of Brahman as Atman is that Brahman is the collective consciousness/gestalt, whereas Atman is the individualized reflection of a part of that consciousness. For example, the idea of a rare pepe exists in the collective consciousness, but any individual jpg file named rare pepe is neither rare nor pepe until it gets re-uploaded back to 4chan by the individual user. In the same way, the Brahman collective consciousness shapes the reality the individual atman perceives, but the summation of all individuals consciousness is the living brahman.

>>135177175
>sandniggers do not follow dharma and must be eradicated
>My dharma as a kshatriya is to protect my nation and family

While these may be practical notions, they can easily be derived without religion. Or, if inspired by a spiritual text, once you have the ability to rationally describe the purpose of the value, why ever quote the spiritual text again?

I believe the Krsna is the supreme Godhead. From this convictions/faith I derive strength. That's where the value lies for me. I didn't need a spiritual text to teach me that I had an obligation to defend my family (or any of the other morals I hold to).

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>>135177544
I like to think of whites as a little autistic cousin who can't stack the blocks properly yet; but he'll get there one day when (((the kid with the nose))) stops fucking with him.

>>135177473
Read the first few chapter of Woodroffe's The Serpent Power for a summary of Advaita.

>maya
Maya is the veil on perception through which Atman/Brahma views itself. Thus, the differentiated universe doesn't exist, but it only appears to because of shoddy vision.

>>135178065
So you don't believe in the soul? While I think your description has metaphysical merit, I'm wondering why you've linked it to Hinduism when it can be described in a secular manner?

>>135178270
Krishna still talks about dharma, how does have a Supreme God head make it different?

>>135168538
Someone give me a quick rundown on Kalki

>>135178767
Having *

>>135178270
Dharma is a philosophical concept you can reason out yourself without hearing of Hinduism. In fact, most of Hindu/Buddhist/Eastern philosophy is simple enough to reason out yourself given enough time. The books are a shortcut.

Everybody can choose their own way of imagining/picturing/worshiping Brahman, that's one cool part of Eastern religions. The ISKON movement puts a lot of emphasis on conviction as the source of strength (bhakti yoga), which is very similar to Christianity. However, it's not the only type of yoga.

The text doesn't tell me what my dharma is. My dharma is mine because it is simultaneously the reflection of my consciousness on the universal and the path created by the universal consciousness for mine

>>135178767
Sorry can you define dharma for me? Just to make sure we arent talking across purposes.

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>>135176563
Fuck this degeneracy.

>>135178065
No, there is no individual/world consciousness. That's the premise of Advaita. Atman is Brahman.

Of course, that's bullshit, but that is the theory.

>>135179179
Dharma is your duty or the actions that keep the universe together

>>135177471

Likewise, Anon. The search itself has already been rewarding enough to justify the effort

>>135178736
I don't think "soul" is a useful word when explaining dharma to Westerners because the word is too associated with after-life and purgatory and such. I believe the cycle of reincarnation is oversimplified when you explain it as "one soul, one body, body dies, soul gets new body, rinse and repeat". I think of reincarnation more along the lines of the classic scene in movies where the dying person says "you'll never really be alone - I'll always be with you". Consciousness does not disappear at death, it migrates from always being in relation to the physical body to being part of the collective memory, and then eventually comes back to a physical body as a memory echo, e.g. a kid thinking his grandpa was the coolest guy ever, and a renewed relationship with the physical body, e.g. I need to be tough/smart like gramps

>>135179288
They are simultaneously one and the same; it's like asking does a falling tree make a sound if nobody is there to hear it? There cannot be a universal consciousness without the sum of the individuals, but no individual consciousness can exist outside of the universal.

>>135180032
2deep

>>135178872
Their are no quick rundown in Hinduism I'll still try, he is supposed to be an avatar of vishu that will slay the degenerates and bring kali yug to an end

>>135179756
Sounds like you are describing memes desu

As far as I'm concerned when the body dies, so does the 'consciousness' i.e. any memory or thought you never shared will cease to exist at that moment.

imo the purpose of these texts are not to help you rationalise how your consciousness will have value or relevancy beyond your death, but rather to make you realise that the conscious you have is merely a vehicle for the progression of your soul. Once you die all that is relevant from this conscious is the karma that will dictate your next.

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Just gonna shill this real quick
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bw9zSMsKcwk

Check out Inner the Worlds, Outer Worlds series as well

>>135181112
Holy shit 6-12-1992 is my birthday....

what is the significance?

>>135181640
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demolition_of_the_Babri_Masjid

>>135181584
Is that your channel that really good understanding for a westerner

>>135178767
>>135179563
I have an innate sense of dharma.

> Krishna still talks about dharma, how does have a Supreme God head make it different?

Is that not asking 'what difference does it make if God exists or not?' Maybe I'm misinterpreting your question.

>>135182105
Have you read the govardhan parvat story? What does Krishna tell you in that, a God is unimportant dharma is where Its at

>>135181984

No, I have nothing to do with it. I shill for free!

>>135168908
you're a disgrace to the white race, learn some history faggot.

>>135176563
Hinduism is another baseless shit nigger tier barbarism prayer to Nephilim dressed up as a faith and something with a likeness to something Holy and pure. Your picture shows off greatly how barbaric and savage are the religions of the subhuman of the subcontinent

>>135182404
Yes but like I said I have dharma. I had dharma before I knew a thing about Hinduism.

Krsna helps me to fulfil my dharma. When I am down as fuck he gives me strength. When I'm confused he gives me guidance. I don't know what the purpose of delving so deeply into these texts is if you are not looking to gain or test your conviction. Duty, responsibility and morality exist without Hinduism.

>>135181478
>memory or thought you never shared
Exactly; but you also created ripples in the universal consciousness merely by existing in the first place - other people still have memories of you regardless of whether you chose to share your thoughts or not

>value beyond death
The idea being you realize death is a natural part of the cycle of re-birth

>vehicle for progression of your soul
Progression to what? This smells like ISKON christianification of Hinduism

>karmic cycle of rebirth
This is too simplified a view of karma. Karma is like dust, it is the chaff that is produced from the kernels of individualized consciousness rubbing against each other. It would be wrong to think of karma dictating an outcome, just like it would be wrong to say the sand dictates a rock will erode. Rather, karma colors/stains the individual consciousness clouding the connection to both the supreme universal consciousness as well as other individuals. Karma colors the cycle of rebirth because it colors the consciousness of the society individuals learn to participate in. The best example of this are the rampant cries of degeneracy on /pol/; even though our society still has some memory of a more civilized history, the karmic inertia we've created continues to metastasize as big black cock worship.

>>135182982
But how does he do that, are you aware of the kinds of yoga and it's alright to draw your strength from God's but I believe you are stronger than that anon

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>>135183340
It seems you don't believe in the soul?
How can you believe in karma if you don't believe in the soul?
>karma colors/stains the individual consciousness clouding the connection to both the supreme universal consciousness as well as other individuals.

From where does this karma come, or rather, how does it get attached to a conscious? When a child is born there is undeniable karmic influence. Are you implying this karma is a result of the interaction of the parents conscious as well as society at large?

The thing is I agree with everything you say but from a completely secular point of view. I was raised without religion and I partition my thinking on these issue. It's just I thought this would be a discussion on religion not metaphysics.

>>135168538
>"Indian Paganism: The Last Living Expression of Aryan Beauty" - Savitri Devi, A Warning to the Hindus
Why the fuck are you promoting these racist fucking fairytales, lmao you know everyone hates poo in the loss.

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>>135182936
Pic related.

>>135182982
It's not a western religion. The texts are not to strengthen your conviction; they are a field guide to understanding the universe.

>I had dharma before I knew a thing about Hinduism
That's the point. As the oldest religion, there's really no such thing as conversion or rating people based on their conviction or how strong their beliefs are. EVERYBODY is as Hindu as they want to be, and everybody has dharma whether they want to or not. However you choose to fulfill your dharma, that's on you. Krishna is but one of the many ways the universe guides and blesses those who shape its trajectory.

POO

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>>135184273
Get the fuck out kike.

>>135172975
>Russian pagan

Do you have a god of vodka? Serious question

>>135173935
>central deity
literally the kikes who started that

>>135184440
An axe/hammer, sword, bow, and a few apples.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ys5PZDRSlsU

>>135177473
our sense of self is basically the ego, which in sanskrit is "ahankara" and is separate from "atman" which is closer to soul. The body, mind, personality, thoughts, are all material patterns of our brains identifiable with matter. The atman is that which perceives the matter.

It's usually easiest to think in terms of elimination. When you take your attention away from everything which is not essential, what remains is Brahman. That this essence is not void is the essential difference between buddhism and hinduism.

>>135177544
I suppose so, although it's nothing to celebrate really. Real Americanism (transcendentalism) is beyond dead, all that's left is blind consumerism. At the same time, India is in an even more decayed state with a UN-induced demographic crisis and the eternal albatross of pisslam and corrupted animistic dogmatic "hinduism" preventing the rebirth of a top-tier civilization based around vedic principles
>inb4 larping faggots start talking about how iron age india was ruled by nords

>>135177778
it's the height of modernism in philosophy. perhaps you're a retard and you think some con man like Deepak Chopra represents advaita?

>>135182936
>>135179245
stay triggered and keep welcoming the refugees, christcucks

>>135184790
In time anon in time, we will come out on top

>>135183942
For me it comes down to control. I had little control in my life before Hinduism. I have much more now. Obviously from my point of view there is no strength greater than that of God. The only reason to seek strength else where is if you want to use that strength in a way that does not fall in line with the teachings of Krsna. If you want to do these things fine, but it is my belief that you will pay the price through material suffering. If you want to live a life in accordance with the teachings of Krsna, then why seek strength anywhere else when Krsna will give you more than enough to achieve these goals?

>>135184997
Because it's Krishna teaching to not focus on Gods rather on dharma

>>135184284
>It's not a western religion

It sounds like you don't think it is a religion at all.

>The texts are not to strengthen your conviction; they are a field guide to understanding the universe.

If you gain knowledge from the texts without gain conviction that what is within the texts is TRUTH then it is no different from reading Shakespeare. I gain knowledge of the universe from all aspects of life all the time.

>>135184997
Anyways you present a very different outlook of iskon to me, if you can read the Geeta linked in the op by c rajagopalachari that's the most I'll ask of you, your beliefs are still respected

>>135184263
Eastern "religions" combine philosophy, theology, metaphysics and to some extent sociology and politics.

>soul
I don't believe there is an individual quantized unit of consciousness that is doled out at birth and taken back at death. I do believe individuals have/create their own personal reflection with quirks and nuances that are passed on to those around them.

>where does karma come from
Let's say a guy is walking down the street and his wallet falls out of his pocket, then a kid picks it up. The kid could give it back, or keep it. Perhaps the kid will give it back because he thinks it is the right thing to do, and the guy will be overjoyed to have gotten his wallet back and tip a little bit better after he's eaten dinner. Perhaps the kid will keep the wallet and treat his friends to a drink, while the man will tell his kids that India is a shithole full of pickpockets. These small everyday interactions are shaped by the heuristic problem-solving ability of the human consciousness into their worldview, but the emotional baggage of the interaction combined with the limited knowledge of its circumstance color the individual's perception of reality, "worldview". That coloring is karma. People accrue karma from birth because of their parents, because of their heroes and teachers, because of their society and innately from their own dharma and the way they choose to see the world as their own consciousness develops.

>secular point of view
There's no need to split the hairs on what is secular and what is not. The entire power of consciousness is being able to choose how you perceive the world and to gradually shape it into that image

holohoax

>>135186028
Yez

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>>135185622
At the highest understanding, Hinduism becomes less of a religion and more of a philosophy. At the lowest level of understanding, it's a story about a prince who's wife got abducted so he recruited some monkeys killed the demon and got his wife back. It's a religion that grows with you at your own pace.

Personally I am a barely-practicing Shaivite.

>>135184966
The progress of history is capricious, and dharma has endured beyond any reasonable expectation. The spiritual and intellectual capital is there for sure, but a great cleansing fire has to take place. There is much to still be gained from secular democracy and free market capitalism for now, but the bloodbath is inevitable. I hope people see that.

>>135186508
>the blood bath in inevitable
That's scary and true at the same time, this yug is gonna end with bang

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>>135184790
>When you take your attention away from everything which is not essential, what remains is Brahman
Just wanted to chime in and say this is also the foundation of meditation; a clear mind and focused attention on Brahman.

Nice to see another USA Pajeet.

>>135185955
Haha long before I believe in karma I used to talk about my belief in 'baccy karma' i.e. the karma of sharing cigarettes i.e. secular karma. I would describe it almost exactly as you have with the wallet example. I had never read a single Hindu text at that point because these ideas are obvious to anyone with a perceptive ability and eyes to see the world.

>There's no need to split the hairs on what is secular and what is not.

I'm sorry but you have no conception of anything outside the secular/material.

>>135168538
bump for the fellow pooinlooanian.
I particulary had chosen christianity, but you can find similarities and missed links in every non degenerated religion.
Jung gives you the key, the rest is more studies.

>>135177778

lmao how is advaita vedanta insidious?

>>135186990
Jung does not understand Hinduism Fyi

>>135186439
Yes this is very true. I've seen it with myself. When I was immersed in this stuff it occupied my brain in a similar way to how the philosophy of /pol/ has occupied my brain before and since.

As I grew busier and got more entrenched back in the material world, it survived in my brain on a more religious level as my thoughts on a day to day basis were taken up by other things unfortunately.

>>135186812
>Just wanted to chime in and say this is also the foundation of meditation; a clear mind and focused attention on Brahman.
The precision of thought and foresight needed to develop such specific techniques to penetrate the subconscious still amazes me

>Nice to see another USA Pajeet.
on /pol/, no less

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>>135177544

India needed/needs western science and sanitation/technology just as badly as the west needed/needs a genuine metaphysical tradition such as can be found in Hinduism.

India and the west complete each other.

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>>135187395
How did you hear about Krishna in 'Straya?

>>135188047
Through the hare Krishna can't you see the way he writes Krishna

>>135188047
I know I'll get shit for saying it here but ISKON.

They quite literally fed me, sheltered me and got me off drugs. Completely turned my life around. Thats why this has a very visceral 'religious' element to me. Krsna taught me how to reduce my material suffering.

I never agreed to the regulative principles nor did I take on a spiritual master. I live a pretty normal life now but I still try and interact with the monks whenever I get the chance.

bump for a good thread

>>135188618
That pretty neat anon I might not agree with iskon but they sure as hell do some good social work

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>>135188303
I know that; I was just wondering how it happened. In the states Hare Krishna has a real bad reputation because of some shady shit in the 70s/80s. It's actually gotten on my nerves at some points because as soon as anybody says Hindu everybody assumes you're a vegetarian hippie that chants hare krishna so you can seduce liberal white women.

Not that I haven't pretended to be a mystical hindu guru to seduce liberal white women before.

>>135189047
>>135189047

>Not that I haven't pretended to be a mystical hindu guru to seduce liberal white women before.
Top fuckin Kek how well does it work? I'll be arriving in the states soon

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>>135168538

https://vimeo.com/226984603

When will kike on a stick followers learn?

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>>135188618
That's a heartwarming story, and no self-respecting Hindu should criticize it. The best part about Vishnu and his incarnations is how welcome you feel in their temples. And the food is pretty damn good too, innit?

Growing up Krishna was always my favorite character in Mahabharat and I always loved how he's not above petty tricks and chicanery.

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>>135189256
It used to work amazingly but not anymore. White women don't give a shit about a blissful peace in existence with delicious food. Now they've moved on to Islam, because for some reason it's more fun to be shoved in a black burlap sack before you get spitroasted by Ahmed and his dad Mohammed while being told you're an infidel and you need to be convert or die.

I really dislike religious Muslims.

>>135189567
Is forming personal relationships with Krsna (or other deities) common in Hinduism outside of ISKON?

Krsna's love of fun and mischief certainly helped me with this process.

>>135190077
I dislike Muslims altogether
>>135190207
Yes it's generally with the avatars of vishu

>>135189307
What even is that video, you do realize it's a different kali in the context of kali yug right?

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>>135190207
I think so, but I actually don't know many other real Hindus because most Indians in the United States just don't eat beef, gossip at temple, and bubble Hindu on standardized forms but really don't know shit about their heritage.

Personally when I was little I loved Krishna, then as I grew older and my dad taught me more about our caste and family history I formed what I guess you could call a personal relationship with Shiva. It's a much colder relationship than what I would think a normal personal relationship with God would be, but I find it fulfilling because it's like chasing after an older brother who is always better than you.

>>135186990
Jung himself admitted he didn't understand Vedanta, although he is an extremely good source of practical wisdom

>>135184790
>it's the height of modernism in philosophy
It is a modern delusion straight out of Shankaras Dravidian butthole.

>>135187216
It is a solipsistic menace for the mind that rots your ego.

>>135193206
>It is a solipsistic menace for the mind that rots your ego.

Nice but ultimately empty wordplay used to conceal the fact that your criticism contains no substance and doesn't actually criticize anything specific about Advaita itself.

>>135193923
It literally leads to suicide. There is absolutely no way that you can wholeheartedly and genuinely believe in Advaita and not end up either 1. hanging yourself, or more commonly 2. destroying your own ego.

And they call the latter moksha in their insane beliefs. And then they still probably get reincarnated, except as a shudra this time around kek.

>>135181478
>desu
kill yourself.

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>>135168538
Idolater pajeet begone

>>135197253
no let em have their thread in peace anon, atleast they aint kikes

Hinduism seems to be the religion about nothing, yes it has gods and stuff, but that doesn't seem to matter or account for anything.

>>135168538
holy shit this was the most peaceful thread by an indian ive ever seen, not a single poo in loo. Good job. I heard the situation is improving down there. Back in 2012 it was 48.3% of the population shitting in the open. That number went down 31% points to 17% in just a year. Modi must be good at his job.

t. Hirohito

>>135194670
You're just too much of a brainlet to understand. I will teach you.
>It's always been useful for me to swap "soul" for "consciousness" when reading translations of old Hindu scriptures. The way I understand the reflection of Brahman as Atman is that Brahman is the collective consciousness/gestalt, whereas Atman is the individualized reflection of a part of that consciousness. For example, the idea of a rare pepe exists in the collective consciousness, but any individual jpg file named rare pepe is neither rare nor pepe until it gets re-uploaded back to 4chan by the individual user. In the same way, the Brahman collective consciousness shapes the reality the individual atman perceives, but the summation of all individuals consciousness is the living brahman.
>I don't think "soul" is a useful word when explaining dharma to Westerners because the word is too associated with after-life and purgatory and such. I believe the cycle of reincarnation is oversimplified when you explain it as "one soul, one body, body dies, soul gets new body, rinse and repeat". I think of reincarnation more along the lines of the classic scene in movies where the dying person says "you'll never really be alone - I'll always be with you". Consciousness does not disappear at death, it migrates from always being in relation to the physical body to being part of the collective memory, and then eventually comes back to a physical body as a memory echo, e.g. a kid thinking his grandpa was the coolest guy ever, and a renewed relationship with the physical body, e.g. I need to be tough/smart like gramps

>>135197861
karma, reincarnation, progenitor religion of buddhism, jainism, and sikhism

>>135198168
>This is too simplified a view of karma. Karma is like dust, it is the chaff that is produced from the kernels of individualized consciousness rubbing against each other. It would be wrong to think of karma dictating an outcome, just like it would be wrong to say the sand dictates a rock will erode. Rather, karma colors/stains the individual consciousness clouding the connection to both the supreme universal consciousness as well as other individuals. Karma colors the cycle of rebirth because it colors the consciousness of the society individuals learn to participate in. The best example of this are the rampant cries of degeneracy on /pol/; even though our society still has some memory of a more civilized history, the karmic inertia we've created continues to metastasize as big black cock worship.
Moksha is freedom from the coloring of karma and the ability to perceive the universal consciousness in its full splendor. To put it more concretely, it's like you've lost the ability to sympathize, e.g. you no longer feel bad for misfortunates, but you have infinite empathy, as in you fully understand the situational feels of the misfortunate. At this point, you are considered "enlightened", to have reached nirvana, and ultimately you've squared yourself with the fact that your body will eventually wither away. What you choose to do as a Buddha is up to your dharma.

>>135198168
Dude, you clearly don't understand Advaita and everything it implies. Half of the stuff you wrote literally contradicts the idea of Brahma as pure consciousness, which is indivisible, infinite, irreducible, and passive.

There can be, for example, no "individualized reflection of a part of that consciousness". It is Brahma, which I repeat is indivisible and infinite, simply mis-perceiving itself through the lens of maya.

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>>135168538
Based Hindubro.

>>135199134
You're reading it too literally. Think of pure consciousness as the ability to perceive material reality. Brahman is that, it is omniscience, complete awareness and understanding of everything. Naturally, it cannot be divided because there is no such thing as "partial omniscience", you are either aware of everything or not. Atman is the state of brahman in the individual, where karma has clouded the omniscience and through yoga and knowledge one can clear the view and attain nirvana and reunion with brahman. The main difference in the advaita tradition is that in advaita vendanta the material world is a created reflection of the conscious universe, whereas in other traditions it exists independently of the conscious universe.

The idea that it literally leads to suicide is wrong and grossly misleading. It's true that death is the only complete liberation from karma, but by that standard death is also the only way to heaven. A strong soul is expected to be able to maintain a connection to physical reality while being aware of the greater consciousness, mindful of the fact that his physical existence is temporary but dharma is eternal.

>>135168538
Hinduism is really cool shit and actually Indo-European. I thought you couldn't convert to it, though.

>>135203366
Anybody is free to call themselves hindu or not hindu as they please. Julia Roberts is a famous "convert". Nobody can tell you what you can and can't believe, anon.