How do you defeat nihilism?

>>135156790
it is an individual problem, sounds like you dont enjoy life. pursue what you want and meaning may follow.

which one of you fucked that tree?

>>135156790

<--- /adv/

quit your shitposting on /pol/ faggot

>>135157030

it seems to be a civilizational problem at this point, depression and suicide rates are at an all time high and rising. i pursue what i enjoy (sitting on my ass all day and refreshing the catalog), meaning has never followed.

>>135157371

I'd phrase it in a less personal way next time, jeez, but it is a valid political question, this is a widespread problem.

>>135156790
I had to go through 6 years of existential crisis to get past nihilism. At some level it's essential that you reject physicalism (there is an objective existance and it's based on matter. The mind is made of matter and thats all there is) and become more of a duelist (There is a physical and a "spiritual" world that interact). Physicalism leads directly to nihilism. When you believe in something perpendicular to the material world, whether or not that's a religion or spirituality or just some sort of esotericism, you stop believing the bullshit that society tells you about you being small and meaningless in the grand scheme of things, and instead you realize that on the contrary everything you do or think has an immense effect on the world around you.

>>135157585
meant to say dualist*

>>135156790
Defeat nihilism = embrace absurdism.

I was despondent about everything, watching where the world is going. Then there was this great war coming of one race against another and it seemed like it was this great happening that can give my life a meaning. But I realized that I'm not an animal fighting for animal ideals that are shoved down our throats so I embraced God.

>>135156790
You're most likely hiding something.

>>135157585
!!!

>>135156790
Clean your room

>>135156790
Change your lifestyle, attitude, the way you eat, quit any bad habits, organize your room/house/living area, you'll find new motivation in places where you wouldn't expect and it keeps you away from the nihilistic dread of everything, I find the more I smoke weed the more apathetic I become so I've been trying to limit my consumption.

>I can't convince myself that there is any objective system of value
You don't need to convince yourself as long as you act as if an objective system of value exists.

Listen to some Alan Watts

>>135156790

Find your motivation in the existence of your people. Grow yourself to love them, and they will grow themselves to love each other. Reject apathy, take action, and fight back against the lies you have been fed all your life.

>>135156790
It doesn't really get any better anon.
I'm living the dream right now. I make a lot of money, have a beautiful wife, a house, kids on the way, but I'm still a heavily depressed alcoholic. I try to see the bright side of things but every time I come to the conclusion that its only a matter of time until the white race is annihilated and we plunge into full degeneracy.

>>135156790
Develop a strict rubric for advancement. As it stands, no amount of effort will guarantee you anything. So, set some guidelines. Have standardized assessments to measure capability. Then, hire for jobs based on that capability score. Eliminate nepotism and make it a complete meritocracy.

>>135156790
Nihilism isn't actually a problem. The problem is that you think that life's lack of "meaning" is something meaningful.

I choose to piss in the toilet instead of on the floor. There's no "meaning" to it, I just do it because I want to; just like everything else in my life.

Just do what you want. It doesn't have to have meaning.

>>135156790
You have misinterpreted Nietzsche's philosophy. Actually research nihilism.

I don't support it in any form, however, and believe this world is a school, not a playground or fighting pit, and that we are here to grow and improve.

Start listening to lectures by Manly P. Hall. He was pretty effective in using philosophy and comparative religion to debunk the post-modern cult of meaningless so prevalent today, and to explain why it exists to such a startling extent in society today.

I discovered Hermeticism after that, but you will find your own path. No matter what, you'll realize through information what a contrived lie modernity and materialism really is.

>>135158101

what, from myself or from /pol/?

>>135157991

how do you make yourself believe in god? i was raised to see him as kind of an absurd idea

>>135158309

how do you convince yourself to act that way?

>>135159432

I already do what i want, i've followed your "philosophy" for 20 years, it's left me deeply unfulfilled, i'm just trying to see if theres something more i'm missing.

>>135157585
>a "spiritual" world that interact)*
>* citation needed

>>135156790
There is an objective system of value. Your brain will tell you what it wants, just listen to it.

>>135160757
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind%E2%80%93body_dualism

Or did you mean that you want a physical proof for a nonphysical system. That would be illogical.

>>135157563
Suicide and depression will always rise because population is increasing.

nihilism is overcome by existentialism

you create your own subjective values and live your life according to them because ultimately you choose what's important to you and there is no objectivity

objectivity wouldn't make something matter anyway

>>135161153

>tfw commies don't even understand the concept of "rates"

>>135161020
so why spiritual if there's no evidence for it

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>>135156790
Find meaning in tradition.

You are the scion of billions of years of life. You are a piece of the universe that has achieved self-awareness. We have come from singularity to unimaginable complexity, and it is still just the start. Your ancestors have lived and fucked and fought since we first evolved language. You are the descendant of 1000's of humans who have all successfully had a mate, without fail. You have a duty to continue this great work. Our job as folks alive today is to survive the impending rough time and allow our people to have their destiny of expanding into the stars.

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>>135161576

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Was Goebbels our guy?

>>135160544
What is absurd is to claim that in a materialistic lifeless world something happened by accident.

>>135161478
It's difficult to explain this really. Religion and spirituality is to qualia what science is to matter. When you start asking yourself, what if spiritual ideas might be true, and start applying them to situations in your life, then you start noticing connections. since science and spirituality are perpendicular systems that interact indirectly you can't prove one in the other.

>>135156790

If you want to do that then it becomes your meaning

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>>135161823
>tfw the last thing he tried went totally wrong too

>>135156790
Narcissism and pride.

>>135161823
more and more it seems like nat soc is the default reaction to widespread cultural nihilism. We are weimar germany to a point right now.

>>135156790
Try an existential experience.

>>135156790
By not being 15.

>>135156790
There is no inherent meaning to life, other than enjoying your life. According to the Bible we lost a paradise world. There really is no point in fighting or struggling for something that isn't eternal, otherwise in time it wisps away. Don't know if you believe in evolution or not, but the evolutionary algorithm seems to really want to preserve life. I guesx you could interpret yhat as something spiritual if you want.

>>135162980

not an argument.

>>135162463

like what?

>>135157585
>its another he needs to feel important episode
its always the i want to be special and feel important bullshit.
peasants have no sway, its just dreams for people with no hope that still grasp whatever they have left

nice read though.

saw a pretty good video on nihilism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBRqu0YOH14


it's like, nothing matters so you may as well do what makes you happy
like in the Buddhist teaching, all life is suffering, so if you can do things to lessen the suffering, you're life will be more enjoyable

obviously i've simplified this, i don't know very much about it. jordan peterson talks about this kind of thing a lot

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>>135156790
Start something you like, anon.

Motivation follows action. Not the other way....

>>135161576
Why is it our duty to continue the legacy of our forbears?

>>135156790
You'll make value judgments even without a consistent, objective system for it. They'll just be inconsistent and subjective. Arbitrary. Those systems are a prerequisite for a society to flourish, bringing objectivity and communicability. Without religion or some other external source of value the choice of system is arbitrary and there's no real reason to prefer a system which benefits society more over a system that would benefit the individual more aside from acknowledgement and rewards offered by the society. Of which there are none anymore. You've three options. Become a:
>nihilist
>good goy
>jew

>>135164404
It's a conscious choice you have to make. Participate in this great work, or push the button on the Skinner-box until you die.

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>>135156790
> How do you defeat nihilism?
Jesus Christ.

about accepting God:

the best advice I can offer is that you try it and see where it takes you. I work with wood and I know one thing that all woodworkers do, whether earthly or celestial: you can think about tables and chairs all day long, but sooner or later you have to make some chips and shavings. The only way to fail is never to try.

kill yourself
or dont

>>135165514
This is good advice in general. Why not try out Buddhism, Islam, Christianity, Mormonism, Hinduism and others? The worst thing that can happen is learning that it isn't for you.

As a matter of fact, I did the same thing once. I'm glad I tried the working thing instead of just outright giving up and going NEET. Now, I'm much more confident that I was always meant to live NEET and that working just isn't for me.

>>135164404
We continue our culture because it supports our race, but no culture is eternal, it is subject to change over time. Race is eternal, which is why we fight for it through continuing a positive culture.

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>>135156790
If there is no value, then doesn't that make your adherence to Nihilism worthless as well? If there truly is no purpose or value, why don't you create value or purpose instead of reveling in your newly discovered freedom you always had in the first place? Instead of doing all of the reckless shit people told you not to do, why don't you examine reality through your newfound perspective on life?

Ex: If there is no God, what would you lose from worshiping the imaginary deity? If your gamble is correct, it's eternal life. If you lose, nothing was lost if nothing truly mattered in the grand scheme of things.

>>135166940

what is the point in doing that when i can be comfy? seriously, without using any adhom/shaming tactics, rationally explain to me what the point of striving for things when there is no objective value system.

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>>135156790
alright nigger pay attention
>pic related
>jordan peterson's maps of meaning lectures and bible series
>watch molymeme's intro to philosophy where he lays down an ironclad philosophical proof of secular ethics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_04Povks18&list=PLC1647D7F937DDE7A

that'll unfuck you. I went through a nearly decade-long crippling existential crisis and crazy bad depression. I contemplated suicide daily. I am the Anon in the OP of pic related.
Then I found existential philosophy, objective ethics and morality, and a map towards meaning.

Society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they will never sit in.

Ubermensch up, Anon.

>>135167580
There is no point other than the threat of stagnation. The point is that if you want value in your life, you have to create the value otherwise there is no point. If you don't understand why you shouldn't revel in Nihilism, then I suppose there is no point in me trying to stop or explain it to you.

But know this, all of the things, adult tell you not to do, have a reason behind them whether good or bad.

>>135167580
Sell everything you own and give me the money. You won't, because you make value judgements, even if instinctually make arbitrary ones.

You can't argue against value judgments because they're intrinsic to living beings and you can't escape making them. It's an exercise in futility and deflecting from the real argument, being that of arbitrary instinctual value judgments contra moral systems.

>>135160544
>how do you make yourself believe in god? i was raised to see him as kind of an absurd idea

Unpleb yourself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-wWBGo6a2w&list=PL22J3VaeABQD_IZs7y60I3lUrrFTzkpat

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>>135167989
>>135168489
I've lead you to water but I cannot make you drink.

The rest is up to you.

Good luck anon.

>>135156790
Sort yourself out

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>>135158611
Desu

>>135168208

I don't understand the last sentence of your post, but i'm not arguing against personal value judgements, i'm just asking why i should care when they're not objective.

>>135169172
>why I should care
It doesn't matter if you fucking care. You make them anyway. You're arguing against value judgments, which you embrace, pretending that makes an argument against moral systems. It's blatant cognitive dissonance, a double standard.

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>>135169172
If I'm understanding you right, are you asking why you should acknowledge/respect the value that is attributed to items through the currency that is money?

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>>135167989

Thats so fucking stupid.

Holy shit you faggots on here are so self absorbed that you actually think you're the only ones in this world to feel the way you do.

Sorry snowflake but you aren't special.

And nietzsche is for emo butt hurt kids who can't accomplish anything in their life.
Go cut yourself please.

Faggots.

>>135156790
>>135169123
i just started a thread with the same idea in mind

>>135157563
>meaning has never followed

But have you not witnessed the power of memes first hand? Can you not see they are indeed the substance of real life? That all which is memed can ultimately be made manifest if we simply meme harder?

If not, you're lurking here is a waste. Might I suggest >>/r9k/

Take DMT

>>135169508

i'm not arguing against value judgements, i'm aware i make them, i'm asking why i should do anything difficult/that i don't immediately want to do if theres no objective reason to do so. i genuinely do not see the dissonance there.

>>135169532

i'm personally set for life in the material currency department so idc about that, someone else might i guess.

>>135167989

which peterson lecture would you recommend first? is there one in which he addresses this specific question head-on?

Be Jordan Peterson

>>135157585
Embrace nondualism above all else and you will become like the Buddha. Every moment suffuse with meaning.

>>135156790
There is no intrinsic value anon. All things return to nothing. All of your achievements, all of your possessions, all of what you were will be forgotten in the stream of time. Don't do anything for that.

Do what you want to do for the experience of it, for that is the only meaningful thing you can aquire. Life is but a brief movie that will end, but you can try to enjoy the ride.

>>135158244
this

>>135156790
>How do you defeat nihilism?
history. Nihilism says nothing matters but clearly everything matters, I personally enjoy the though of furthering my race, society, or culture. Were mortal but we can contribute to imortal ideals.

Watch Jordan Peterson videos on youtube

He read 19th and 20th century philosophers so you don't have to, and he tells you how to SORT YOURSELF OUT

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>>135170263
So are you trying to justify your lack of desire for more than you already have?

>>135170671

no, i materially have plenty to meet my basic wants and needs for the rest of my natural life, why would i suffer for more?

>>135170263
>I'm not arguing against value judgments
>just any value judgments that entail expending any effort
So what makes effort special?
You seek pleasure. You avoid pain. Go ahead, define what makes effort so unique as to be a special case deserving an entirely separate approach if you value objectivity so highly.

>>135156790
Maybe start frequenting /fit/ but please don't bring /pol/ banter with you, anything political on there is b8

>>135170636
You're better served watching Arthur F Holmes' lectures.

>>135156790
nihilism is good

you dont need to share common values with degenerate society

>>135170883
Oh, so your just content with your current situation and are simply looking for a reason to strive higher. If personal growth has any value to you, that would be my reason, but I don't really buy much either. You could always try making stuff with your hands if you have the resources, but don't you want to become a better you?

>>135156790
Read fucking Nietzsche, he advocates for the opposite of giving up.

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>>135156790
Nihilism is the real red pill, anything else is blue pill nonsense. You are a member of the master race. It's a tough burden to hold, but you are strong enough.

BOGGED

>>135170940

I genuinely do not understand what you are trying to get at m8, why would i value someone elses value judgements? i make them myself, i don't fault others for making them, but why would i care about theirs?

>>135171363

how can we define a universal "better" if no objective value exists? i'm not trying to be a pedantic dick, i've just tried to stick to my own personal standard of "betterment" so many times and been shut down by my own depressive, nihilistic brain that i think i might just not be capable of it. idk what to even say anymore, i keep hoping that somehow i'll find a way to rationalize a belief in an objective truth and that would solve all of my problems but i'm probably just deluding myself, some of us just aren't made for this world i guess.

>>135158934
I always wonder why this is a bad thing. When the AI/Android world is in full swing in 20 years, 50% of jobs are just in the wind. People still need to do things. Doing degenerate things is probably the only thing left that doesn't cost money. Also, a Sexbot will be involved, and we know what will happen then, especially on /b. If nature wants degeneration to happen, then this is where we go.

>>135156790

Educate thyself

http://cdn.media.freedomainradio.com/feed/books/UPB/Universally_Preferable_Behaviour_UPB_by_Stefan_Molyneux_PDF.pdf

>>135156790
You can defeat nihilism by explaining out its natural conclusion: That you should either kill yourself, or build a value system of your own.

>>135156790

Love.

>>135172222
>build a value system of your own
This. I've been happily NEET for over 4 years now by appreciating every detail of my days. I can do this forever.
Nice quads btw

>>135171959
Nihilism is the biggest Blue Pill
YouTube was even pushing a pro nihilist video in trending recently.

>>135161153
If we accept a "simulation theory" brain, than depression and the resulting suicide is just a "defect" of the simulation. They are now very successful new methods to defeat all kinds of "negative" feelings in brains. Most of the people don't really want to get better and are fine munching pills, but there are other ways.

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>>135172222

>>135171985
If effort is your problem to the point where you see every exertion of energy as a burden, then my advice to you would be to stop basing your actions on feelings and try to work towards strengthening will power.

It sounds to me that depression may be your main problem which is a result of stagnation in my opinion. The plus however, is that simple exercise or exertion of energy should get you out of the rut, but that requires the maintaining of that exertion through will power.

>>135156790
Nothing matters
Even if you have 12 aryan kids, the white race is outnumbered.
Liberals will slowly turn the whole world brown and muslims will rule. Another dark age is approaching and there's nothing we can do about it without being labeled "crazy racist scum".

Rip human race, we will never get off this rock and explore the universe. Because that would be haram

>>135171985
Calls into question your objection on the grounds of objectivity.

What separates acting on your urges or where reward is immediately apparent, and exerting yourself to bring about conditions wherein you may flourish is only the time frame. It's a completely value-neutral distinction. The former being reactive, the latter proactive. That's the only fundamental difference, and is not grounds for treating effort as a special case or something inherently negative to be avoided as your instinct does pain. Only misguided effort which won't bear fruit. It(hedonism) supports intelligently applied effort. There's nothing fundamentally bad about effort unless all your efforts are misguided, you being either a supremely unfortunate individual or stupid to such a degree you're divinely accurate in your wrongness.

You're being inconsistent, obviously attempting to rationalize and justify your laziness.

>>135172732
its ridiculously unlikely that we arent "living" inside a simulation
death is just game over, but there is no continuity, you wont remember anything in your next life, it wont even be you because you dont know the real you, the player playing this character atm

or you could just be one of the AIs filling this simulation for the real players, if there even are any

>>135173524

i admit that the aversion to effort is a personal value judgement, like all of us make. in the absence of objective values, what else is there to do? the question still stands, why should i abide by anything other than my own personal value judgements?

>>135172866

yeah, that's pretty much the problem.

>>135169588
>And nietzsche is for emo butt hurt kids who can't >accomplish anything in their life.

I had a easy going, good looking guy in the circle, who went to university, took psychology and philosophy classes - and suddenly went full Nietzsche.

Sold all his stuff, trained to become the ripped and vegan 'ubermensch', read all about Philosophy he could, got all the top grades and degrees and now has half a tenure spot in a obscure university. He lives in houses of rich, divorced MILFs he is constantly using for sex. Once or twice a year he manages to pull one of the student/youngsters in his cult-like circle. The last girl was shy, pudgy half asian chick, that now ripped like a free style kickboxer.

Just hooking on Nietsche for keks is one thing, but there are people who take his words as a base for their lives.

>>135174264
>and now has half a tenure spot in a obscure university.
state suckler is not an accomplishment

>>135156790

Come to Bolivia and try ayahuasca.

>>135174214
>the question still stands
No, I just answered it for you from a hedonistic perspective. Just not in a way congruent with your laziness, leading to you dismissing it out of hand and reasserting your judgment of laziness as a virtue while still refusing to explain any basis for it as if it's some divinely inspired fucking axiom.

You're rationalizing your laziness. Why are you discontent with it? Why did you make this thread if it's so good?

>>135174214
Then would a valid explanation truly arouse you to act? I'd try for the will power route instead of letting your body guide you.

>>135173624
You don't need to outside of your own sphere. If you have serious pain, you can take drugs. The drugs stop the sensors reporting back pain, and you "feel" not having pain. "Feeling good" is just an simulation then, because you would have "felt" pain, if you not simply "switched off" something.

If something in the brain is just badly wired, then you could do something to don't make you feel "depressed" or any other feeling you don't want to have. The body-brain dichotomy is just one way to see life and oneself. There are others. Scientific research is just scraping at the topmost layer of this, especially with VR experiments and drug induced treatments for PTSD.

>>135174661
Being top of the age group to get there and being healthy vegan ripped for over 10 years now is. He has a very clean mind, something I see rarely in these "wait there is a facebook posting that doesnt apply to me"-apathy this days.

>>135160027
Could you tell us a little about hermeticism?

>>135174958

there is no basis for it, theres no basis for any of it, that's the whole fucking point, theres no actual axioms. I made the thread in the hopes someone might make an actual counter argument. I'm not just going to "pick" some random other axiom to live by when theres no objective reason to do so and it would cause me to suffer more than i already do.

>>135175254

i don't know, i just figured i'd give it a shot since nothing else has seemed to work. i've tried the "willpower route" plenty, i just don't seem to have that drive, everytime i try i fail and it just ends up making me feel worse than before, to the point where the thought of doing it again makes me feel physically ill. i'm probably just hopeless at this point.

>>135156790
There is an objective morality to the universe. Not everybody realizes this, yet they still act as though it is the case everyday through their actions. Pure atheistic naturalists reasoning is flawed because humans make decisions and hold principles running counter to what would be evolutionarily advantageous to them all the time. Moreover there's no consensus answer on the age-old cosmological conundrum of what existed before there was something in the universe and for how long.
Study Christianity, read scripture, join a church, live a noble life for your wife and children

>>135174264
Wow. I am genuinely inspired by this guy, minus the whole Manson family thing.

>>135172732
That's just stupid. There's no reason why suicide couldn't be a built-in or learned behavior making it just as valid as any other action or state.

>>135175833
Maintaining something without habit is not an easy task, but it's definitely the depression that is sapping you and making you feel bad. You can't give up if want to beat it. Try to think of it as a game of endurance. The longer you can maintain your conviction, the better you reward yourself.

you just lack a sense of purpose, mine is to eventually rack up a 1500000000:1 KDA IRL

>>135176161
Let say it this way: he is the posterchild finding motivation and living a concrete life, by fixes rules and is not constantly searching for any sort of short cuts or exceptions. In this day and age, having someone to point to being concise and consistent is hefty.
On the other side, nearly everybody who doesn't follow anything similar is "less", and since he doesn't care about recent media or books, he is quite "difficult" to speak to. In his world, he is the god like king. But his "world" has a circle of a few feet. With about 40, i don't think he is even remotely interested in kids. Instead he is writing some sort of "uberbook" about the failure of modernism or something. Has already 1000 pages written and still going.

>>135176411
If you are an naturalist, then you are right. Depression and killing yourself for any minuscule reason could be some sort of inherent self destruct mechanism. But then its a flawed, corrupt one. Since people don't simply off themselves because, uh rain day, and still try in masses to get better and take meds. If the naturalistic approach of an elephant searching for his dying place would be true, the mechanic in the brain would also refuse taking anything remotely to combat this feeling (and path).

>>135175833
>there is no basis for it
Yes there is. You're extolling hedonism. The basis for which is your instinct and emotions, your psychology, and your station in life in as much as it affects them.

You've shown yourself completely unwilling to entertain any ideas incongruent with your own, or to explain your own reasoning at all. Stop pretending to have any interest in this save as a rationalization of your laziness which you despise(see: this thread existing). I've been saying it from the start and your every post proves it further.

I'm glad you're miserable. You're repulsive.

>>135156790
If you are unable to accept spirituality based on faith or empirical evidence, you should at least be able to accept that your life has an impact that will persistent after you are gone. Whether through children, material, intellectual, creative, everyone has some kind of a legacy. It could be that you are a complete asshole and negatively impact your world and those around you.
The fact that your presence leaves an impression is an outlet to immortality in itself.
If you believe it is nothing more than a game, at least try for a high score.

>>135177030
I'm talking from purely logical point of view. The reasoning doesn't add up.
Naturalist, bolshevik, champion of deep throating... none of that matters when it doesn't add up logically.
Suicide can be viewed as a defect, but not for the reason you described in that context.

>>135177299

ok whatever, you haven't provided any counter arguments that i understand, i admit that my laziness is a personal bias (one that most young white people seem to have at this point), but you haven't provided any argument as to why that should no be the case, now you're just spewing ad hominem at me.

i'm glad your country is dying, you're a shit person (by my entirely subjective standards ;))

>>135156790
Seek out Peter Kreeft. I read Letters to an Atheist and was somewhat interested then e-mailed him. He debated me and changed my life and how I view the Earth.

>>135160544
>what, from myself or from /pol/?

From yourself

>>135178293

that's not an argument. elaborate what you mean by it logically or sod off.

>>135175833
What do you think about what Jordan B Peterson has to say about this? If you're not familiar you should look into it.

>>135156790

Live for something beyond worshiping your own asshole. Choose a goal, and follow it. you aren't arguing against nihilism, but rather in favor of laziness.

>>135178564

in which of his videos does he address this specifically?

>>135179027

and why should i do that logically, if i don't care about social shaming from internet strangers?

>>135177944
>but you haven't provided
>>135173524
Of course you wouldn't want to flesh out your own beliefs, because they aren't your beliefs but just an excuse; a rationalization for your laziness. You have no substance, no beliefs, no curiosity or interest, not the fortitude to entertain strange ideas or even those you call your own, not one shred of sincerity. You have nothing but excuses. You're a farce in a human shape. Impossible to talk to and utterly insufferable.

You're disgusting.

Easy. Go outside. Watch the birds. Examine the trees, flowers, grass. Go to a nature center and isolate yourself from the noise. Observe the world from an outsider's perspective. See how amazing life itself is. Millions of generations reproducing and evolving to become the successful animals they are now. See how animals share the very same behaviors you possess, and then from these observations, understand your own behavior better. Realize you share the earth with this amazing life, and then understand you are life as well. You are just an advanced animal who somehow developed their brain enough to be conscious and self-aware. You we're also blessed with the ability to create and express, something other animals stuggle to do. Write a poem or draw a picture to use this novel skill. But know you aren't anything more than that; you aren't a special being, don't possess any divine qualities, and aren't forced to do anything except be born and eventually die. Life doesn't need any meaning. It just exists and keeps going because it can. If you don't find that inspiring and start thinking about what you want to do to survive and thrive in this world, you should probably just kill yourself since you weren't meant to pass on your genes anyway.

>>135179355
I agree with Sven. OP, have you considered taking up fentanyl as a hobby?

>>135179293

Do it for you, or be a nobody in life. There is no shame here. Just a young person who lacked a strong male role model in their life.

>>135156790
>stop browsing /pol/ and stop consuming news
>start hiking, cycling and swimming
>clean your room, work out, get a haircut and a job
>read Ted Kaczynski, Solzhenitsyn, Dostoevsky and Nietzsche
by then you will be on the path towards sorting yourself out

>>135179293
He talks about it all the time. The thing about his lectures is that he kind of "wanders," so to speak. So it kind of pops up everywhere. I know he talks about it in one of his Bible series lectures, I think it might be the second one.

>>135156790
If you actually thought nothing matters, you'd have already killed yourself. Just stop trying to rationalize your laziness and you'll be alright.

>>135179355

That's not an argument, unless what i knew with 100% certainty that the pleasure i would get from suffering everyday would somehow create a greater pleasure than what i now experience, and there is no guarantee of that, plenty of people experience the argument. the rest of your posts is once again ad hominem.

and you're a shitty, malicious person, but what else could be expected. Again, enjoy your cultural enrichment.

>>135179577

not an argument

>>135179674

refer back to the post you're responding to, i don't care if a shitposter thinks i'm a "nobody" in life, that's entirely subjective.

>>135156790
It does matter
If you have your shit together and lead a successful life, you will inspire the next generation to follow your example and improve themselves
I wouldn't be where I am today if my father was a degenerate drunk full of debt, I own everything I am today to him.

Meanwhile, the ghetto is full of hedonistic people who are ankle deep on debt, are addicted to some drug, will never be able to fulfill their dreams and will probably never reach old age

>>135177947
Its not suicide, that is the "defect". Its the reasoning that gets you there. There are lots of embryos that get aborted naturally every year, nature has way to detect something that is not "right" and stops growing. In full develop human, missing water and food, hazardous environments and serious bodily harm are the main ways of dying off besides natural death (which is organ failure). If there would be some sort of necessity to self destruct an human, there would be some sort of mass heart stoppage or brain aneurysms. Evolution had billions of years to create something that "works" flawless. But it hasn't. Depression itself seems to have no true usage, besides some psychological self repair processes after a "traumatic" experience.
I wild running depression has no use for the brain. And if you could "cure" an depression, to avoid a suicide, then the mechanics involved are even more broken. If the suicide thought would be a "necessary" not a "valid" option, there should be no way to stop it.

>>135179966

>if you actually thought nothing matters, you'd have already killed yourself

nope, that doesn't logically follow, i'd just continue to enjoy short term hedonistic pleasures for the rest of my natural life. i don't understand how people even come to that conclusion, unless they assume eveyone has to do miserable work to afford their lifestyles. neets have no logical reason to kill themselves, unless they suffer some sort of painful incurable physical ailment/legit psychosis i guess.

>>135180002
oh wait, youre not op. the advice was meant for OP. Idc about you desu. youre just a rando on pol.

>>135179355
>he's right you know
You have been spoiled by excess and never learned the thrill of accomplishment and the challenge of struggle.
Sometimes people need to hit rock bottom before the understand what they had.
My suggestion is pack a bag, travel into the woods, leave no avenue for a safety net. Live like the animal you were born as. You will develop skills quickly and be reinvigorated with life, or you will die.
Either way, you will be in a better spot than you are.

>>135180390

...? I am op, check the IDs.

>>135180434

>you're better off dead

still not a single argument in your post, but thanks for playing

>>135180326
Again, if you actually thought nothing matters, "short term pleasures" wouldn't make sense for you, the difference between you not existing and you existing while experiencing positive emotions would be zero. So why take a long meaningless path instead of just killing yourself right now?

>>135156790
I dont know. I am so tired. I dont even understand the point. The world owes me nothing yet the feeling is mutual

>>135180002
> asks pol to help sort him out
> gets called lazy
> is told to pick a path and go for it by pollacks
> says he doesnt care what people think no one asked you
> OP

You become an Absurdist and create your own meaning/purpose.

>>135179293
https://youtu.be/hdrLQ7DpiWs?t=2827
He talks about it here at about 47 minutes

I would suggest spending some time listening to JBP, he has a lot of insightful things to say about nihilism. All I can really say is that, like many people today, and like I have been, you're a broken human being. Our will to live, to achieve, to explore, to do what's difficult is innate in us. There are ways to fix yourself, though. Listening to Dr Peterson is as good a start as any. Sort yourself out. Clean your room. Work out every day. Take care of yourself. Learn your history. You'll rediscover what it means to be alive, to be a human.

>>135181032

because i enjoy short term pleasures? it doesn't matter if there isn't a meaning to them, i as a living breathing being derive subjective pleasure from it, so there's no reason to kill myself. this argument is entirely nonsensical, if your pleasure consistently outweighs your pain there's no personal reason for you to end it, in the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter, but to you as a subjective entity it does.

>>135181084

wasn't asking for "sorting out", i was asking an objective logical question. i could have phrased it a lot better, but no, i don't care about being called names by internet randos, that doesn't sway my philosophical position, sorry bud.

>>135180326
In my experience, that people who don't have a calling, don't know what they are good at, never really tried anything or doesn't give a shit about skillsets, mastery of things or emotional/philosophical widening of knowledge.

You can be the pencil pusher from monday to friday, have sex at saturday with your bored wife, then get spanked by a latex uggo in your basement biweekly and claim you are an republican, while secretly voting green because it gives you kicks.

If there is a grand scheme, not everybody is important. There must be small cogs, the front line of idiots you play bullet catchers in wars,
the guy that cleaned your doorway for 40 years and died silently. Nobody knew his name.

You can simply exists for existences sake, like a human fruit fly. Nothing wrong with that. A psychological, metaphysical or even religious footing is as valid as living in a camping mobile and enjoying life at parks, while violently stealing money from drug dealers.

The search itself might be a reason enough to question everything. The necessity of thinking about things, that crawl up your spine regularly should be reason enough to try new things.

>>135180434

You know how I can tell you are older than twenty five? you sound experienced.

Between you and I, I think OP needs to wear a bit of tread off his tires.

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>>135156790
its a simple answer:

guys dont have to be /fit/, just successful at some capacity and women will come because they like to latch onto success rather thn be successful themselves. and if u let them walk all over u they'll cheat, u have to be a little bit of an asshole like u dont need them and they'll try to make themselves needed to you. you wont realize this yet until u go thru a few relationships. until then ull deny this to urself

>>135158934
Focus on being a father, get off /pol/, and fix your depression ASAP. It's uncanny how similar your situation is to my father's. He died when I was 16, after I watched his mind and body break down for 3 months until his whole body was piss-yellow and he couldn't even speak. Your children need a strong male role model, otherwise they'll end up confused and resentful for years like me.

>>135181765

I (OP) am female, so the "/fit/" (i.e not fat) thing would matter a lot more. but i'm kind of at the point of no longer caring

>>135181699

still not an argument bud, but keep stroking each others dicks because you can't make one i guess.

>>135182043
Why did you make this thread? What are you trying to achieve? It seems like you are bored and angsty and are trying to trick yourself into wasting time while feeling like it is "productive".

>>135182043
even moreso, u dont have to be fit unless you want to be selective. u can find a guy to worship you as long as ur ok of not being very proud of him. if theres a goal u want to attain to have to work at it. like success for men, attractiveness for women.

tho me personally i dont care too much about looks as long as shes into anal

There's a quote I printed out and used to have on the wall over my computer screen: "Verily the lust for comfort murders the passion of the soul, and then walks grinning in the funeral"

I feel a little dirty even posting it, I haven't lived up to its lessons myself, but maybe I'm just too strict on myself.
And just personally, I've foregone any grand hopes, or optimism for mankind or whatever, but have decided that an obligation to truth above all, my own emotions and sensibilities included, is enough meaning to sustain me at least a few years more.

And just as a side thought, usually if people claim that some big thoughts or concepts or what have you, are the source of their troubles, or negative state of mind, it isn't that, but something more simple, an area of life that requires correction and balance. Which isn't to say that their thoughts are invalid or untrue, but why it affects you emotionally, is what should be looked into, indifference is power, and can be achieved.

>>135182322

idk, i hoped there might be some good argument i was "missing", but most of the thread is just ad hom, affirmations of my belief system or rehashing of non-arguments i've heard hundreds of times before.

>>135182388

yeah, i mean i could get a really desperate chubby chaser, obviously that's not ideal. i'm still pretty young so i'm going to give it a few more years and see if i can find some way to get out of this rut.

>>135181013
You didn't ask for an argument you asked for a solution. I gave you one. You haven't presented any argument to counter. You gave a fact. The fact is that you believe life has no meaning. I believe this is true, at least that you believe it. If you are waiting for someone to explain the meaning of life to you, they won't. It is subjective. All that can be offered is ways to look for meaning and find it for yourself.
I believe personally that growth offers rewards and that you need to be challenged to grow.
I was orphaned at a young age and so a large deal of my self worth comes from having dealt with the challenges associated with that.
I have friends who grew up wealthy and always managed to create their own struggles usually relationships, drugs or legal.
I just feel like if you are not growing you are dying.

>>135156790
it is because you are decieved. understand first that there is no such thing as nihilism. your essence must submit to an idea and extract purpose before any action or inaction can be decided to be taken. the idea that you submit to is an idea passed to you from something of this earth. it is an idea that you were not born with. it therefore runs contrary to the reason for your creation and is only a distraction/diception from your true purpose.

>>135182944
all i can say is its not as deep as ur making it out to be. ur at an age of existential realization but there are stages after that. now show anus

>>135156790
> How do you defeat nihilism?
Anchoring or distraction
You either find a reason to care or you busy yourself so you don't realize you don't care.

I've been struggling with nihilism since 2011 with mixed results from the distraction technique.

>>135182944
People are giving you fantastic advice in this thread, really much better than you should expect to receive on /pol/, you should be grateful, and yet you are choosing to ignore it.

>>135180434
is probably right.

You're just depressed, faggot. Go to church. If you can't find your own meaning, let them give you one.

I recommend any sect of Christian Orthodoxy, or Catholicism if there aren't any quality orthodox churches in your area.

Stop being a faggot.

>>135156790
You solve it by finding what drives you and channeling it.

You don't find it by posting on /pol/. You find it by taking your ideologies into the world and seeing if it can work.

>>135183227

again, there is a critical difference between "arguments" and "advice", i was asking for the former.

>>135183013

the implicit argument is "if there is no objective system of values, and you have all of your material needs met, there is no objective reason to do anything you don't enjoy". congratulations on having found a subjective belief system that fulfills you, it just doesn't do anything for me.

>>135180249
>If we accept a "simulation theory" brain, then depression and the resulting suicide is just a "defect" of the simulation.
Defect in the simulation.
You're assuming the simulation wasn't hardcoded to include human depression/suicide and also ignoring the possibility that it's just a 'learned/evolved behavior' (simulation of the universe evolving in a certain way which resulted in a species which feels depression and remedies it with suicide, some times). The latter making it part of the expected evolving and/or learning and making it a not defect.

We can ignore that now since you added some more spice to your previous spicy fuck up.
By saying "Its the reasoning that gets you there", you're suggesting that some thoughts are defective and/or the result of a defect.
I.e., what you happened to define as a defect is a defect for the fuck of it, but any other chain of events that allow you to reason a logic to bring you to something else, is not a defect (such as reasonings that lead you to eat or fuck).
....what?

>>135156790
read the kybalion and drop psychedelics. any.

>>135156790
>How do you defeat nihilism?

You don't. You keep it at bay.

>>135183227
This. There's really no helping OP if she's not actually open to new perspectives. Like most youngsters, she seems to ignore anything that seems too optimistic. It can be hard for them to tell the difference between some 100 IQ average Joe who's just parroting his father's conservative language and someone who's actually thought about nihilism and existentialism.

>>135183754
This assertion presumes that all gratification is instant. The error is in the fact that some form of enjoyment must be worked towards and are therefore more satisfying than those that are achieved instantly. You can't understand pleasure without understanding displeasure. There is no peak without a valley. Etc

>>135158207
underrated post

>>135158207
wtf i love living now

>>135160027
Got any starting videos for this Manly P. Hall?

>>135156790
Set short term goals,evaluate your strengths and weaknesses and determine your purpose, in a general sense. don't try to be a bodybuilder if you're really smart and good at something that requires a lot of time, don't try to be a scientist if you are strong and good at sports or warfare, etc.
You get the point

>>135184558

I'm open to new arguments, the "perspectives" are things i've heard all before, they aren't convincing without arguments

>>135184604

refer back to first sentence of >>135180002, and i've experienced plenty of displeasure, i just don't know why i would put myself through more of it with no guarantee of anything getting better

>>135185513
>"I'm thirsty"
>"There is water in the well over the hill"
>"WTF that isn't water, that's just some useless info"

This is you OP

>>135186147

still not an argument, sorry bud. i wasn't asking for "advice" i could get (and have gotten) from every normie on earth, i was asking for actual logical arguments as to why i should follow it. i'm not dying of dehydration, my life really isn't all that miserable overall, i'm just trying to get my worldview challenged.

>>135185513
I asked you what you thought about what JBP had to say about this. If you're "to intelligent" to bother with discussing JBP's views, I don't know what makes you think you're going to have any luck asking a bunch of pollacks for help. If that's what's going on, you're clearly here because you think nihilism is inevitable and no one can come close to debating an intellectual giantess such as yourself on the matter. Which would explain why you come asking for "help" and then tell everyone that their advice is "not an argument."

>>135186147
this. traversal of the way precedes understanding. have faith.

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>Aryan sons
>American
kek

>>135186540

i don't personally have the energy to sit through dozens of hours of his ramblings on subjects that are not relevant to my problem just to get to 5 minutes that may or may not be (no one has given me any direct links so i can't say for certain). the rest of your post is ad hominem, i don't think i'm any kind of genius, i hope i am deeply misguided and i'm trying to be challenged, but so far no one has done that, again, repeating /r/getdisciplined tier "advice" over and over again is not an argument. i should have worded the OP slightly better, but it's not inconsistent like you've made it out to be.

>>135187027

go back to your jurassic park breeding camp, hans

>>135185513
And again it's because the not-guarenteed part is what you are hung up on. You around a comfortable rutt and not willing to take a risk to even see if anything better exists. Maybe you are afraid of failure or finding out what you inadequacies are, not sure. I have gotten into rutts aswell, stayed at shit jobs, shit relationships, etc because it seemed better the devil I know. But there is truth in the adage, nothing wagerer, nothing gained. Your pessimism is blinding you to the fact that something better might actually exist if you are willing to step outside your comfort zone.
Also, you are quite infuriating, not to be insulting but just as a point of mention.
It is maybe because you project your misery and it makes me feel bad for you.

>>135187245
I'm telling you that Dr. Peterson's lectures are highly relevant to your quandary. You're clearly too intelligent to bother, though.

Boys, this is a classic case of tits or GTFO. /thread

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>>135187577
>tits of GTFO

>>135162205
"No one talks about the tens of thousands of people who asphyxiate themselves each year out of despair."

-A. Hitler

>>135187577

sorry you can't make an argument or point to any specific evidence to make your case about peterson, but that doesn't say anything about me, just you.

>>135187520

no, there's just no logical reason to do so. you can take your fake pity and eat it for dinner though, enjoy.

>>135185513

Listen to this guy >>135187520
You should check out Joseph Campbell and his Mono-myth theory. It could provide a model for any sort of life-changing endeavors you set out to do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxrEdH1Evik

>>135156790
>nihilism
babby's new werd

>>135156790
Forget this spiritual nonsense advice. Your crisis one of nature. Life has two goals- survival and reproduction. They are at odds with each other. On one hand you value the safety of reading 4chan all day and avoiding competition. On the other you recognize the role that bettering your body and your skills will help you compete sexually.

What's the solution? Simple. Create a life that allows for both safety and reproduction. Monogamy. It's wonderful and fulfilling and gives you meaning without effort. work hard now to create this life for yourself. Most of the board has failed this, so they give you shitty advice.

>>135188029
So what the fuck are you doing here? Either you believe your life is perfect and requires no changes, or you believe it can be improved.
You are a walking contradiction.
Your retarded argument boils down to "why seek to improve your life when it might be perfect?"
Only a woman could reconcile that as rational.

>>135188029
I'm not going to sit here and educate you on everything JBP has to say about existentialism. Educate yourself. Come back with disagreements. That's how this works. You asked for help, here you go. If you're too lazy, fine, that's what happens 99% of the time someone makes one of these threads. It's no big surprise. Now tits or GTFO until you've educated yourself.

>>135188029
Oh and I did link you directly to one of his lectures and even gave you a timestamp, so before when you said no one linked you to anything, that was bullshit.

>>135179356
This
also, kill yourself in a shopping mall

>>135156790
>but I can't convince myself that there is any objective system of value

Why do you need this? You want happiness for this you want to achieve a family for this you need to be fit. Its a causality chain completely devoid of the reason for an objective value. You're no nihilist, you're just depressive.

>>135188721

lmao no, that's not how it works, the one who makes the claim provides the evidence. i will continue to stay as long as i want and theres nothing you can do but impotently whine about it, same as all of your other problems with women.

>>135188686

i'm not asking to improve my personal life, i'm asking to improve my rational thinking. you're a walking example of a man so stupid he literally can't even win an argument against a woman so he just has to fall back on misogyny. enjoy all the niggers in your failed "country".

>>135188814

i missed that one, i went back and found it, i don't hear how it refutes my argument so far but i will watch it for a few more minutes.

>>135158611
good advice

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>>135189488
It's not a claim, you down syndrome monkey retard. It's advice. Again, you clearly came here to argue, not for advice. You're too young for this stuff.

Checked, though.

>>135182944
Your USI is unbearable, nihilism is complete shit and you are not a cool internet cat for making this thread, you are a shit troll that needs to constantly fuel his thread or people stop giving a shit cause his bait is weak as fuck

>>135189488
What is your "argument"? In all of your rambling I fail to discern any coherent thought that a reasonable person would interpret as an argument to be refuted. Your OP was definitely asking for advice, not arguments.

TITS OR GTFO

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>>135156790

Read Kierkegaard

>>135175833

You only have to make one, overarching decision. That you're going to change. Uproot yourself from everything, leave behind your old friends, start anew.

Only by totally ripping out your weakness will you find self-fulfillment. More accurately, the road that leads towards it.

>>135156790
thanks for the ultimately rare pepe added to my collection , the rest of your post is kindergarten tier so im not replying to it.

>>135157962

Reminder absurdity started with Kierkegaard and the conclusion of encountering it was Chrsitian self actualization. Only later did faggots like Camus and Sartre (FRENCH) decide they didn't need God again, making it another trap for faggots like you.

>>135156790
just ignore those cucked defeatist, eventually they kill themselves.

>>135189488
I'm not into philosophy, but this is getting too complicated desu. At the end of the day, there's a shitton of value systems out there. However, they are not equally valuable, in fact, most are bullshit. So, just follow the important one(s). Here comes the fun part.

You can design and live in your own value systems that put you at the top. Just develop a set of criteria that puts you at the top. I've convinced my NEET self that engaging in only the best music, best games, and best doujins makes me the most patrician being in the world, and no one has a sophisticated enough taste, let alone free time, to even compare. You too, can convince yourself that you have true value, by turning the subjective objective to the only person that matters.

Then again, you're a woman, so you might actually give >0 fucks about what others think about you. Best of luck!

>>135189488
The point is you won't change your rational thinking without changing your life. They are directly connected. And again simply stating you disagree is not winning an argument since all you have posted is opinion.

>>135189762

>Again, you clearly came here to argue, not for advice.

l m a o, wow, you finally got it, what i've said in literally every post, 200 posts in, congratulations!

>down syndrome monkey retard

nice projection too

>>135189812

what does USI mean? the rest of your post is both entirely incorrect and not an argument

>>135189977
>>135183754

try actually reading sometime! I've admitted several times i could have phrased to OP better, I'll try again another day maybe with a more refined opener.


>>135190221

enjoy jurassic park, hans.

>>135189977
>...I imagine a lot of young white people deal with this problem, how do we solve it?
>ok whatever, you haven't provided any counter arguments that i understand...
>...how do we solve it?
>...arguments
>help me
>I have dementia
>who are you?
>who am I?

>>135190648

I was trying to state it in a way that wouldn't get me moved to /his/ or god forbid /adv/, but i forgot the mods on here don't really give a shit. i've been pretty consistent from the beginning, if you actually read, that i was looking for logical argumentation. but nice try.

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>>135190648
This whole thread might just be master b8.

At least I've had a good time reading the thoughts of some thoughtful anons out there.

>>135156790
Here's how I beta it :

>Be me
>Be teenager
>Somehow learn about Nietzche and nihilism
>''Hurr durr this is cool lol life is meaningless might as well kill le self XDDDDDD''
>Start thinking about it a year later
>''What if life was actually meaningless and but it is up to us to find a meaning and a purpose, rather than resorting to hedonistic behaviors ?''
>Stopped liking nihilism

I basically de-blackpilled myself. It's up to you to defeat nihilism. Do something, get /fit/, learn something new, idk.

>>135191121

Nietzsche wasn't a nihilist and didn't promote any of the things you talked about

>>135190946
Make another thread where you properly explain your logic instead of a shitty 2 liner which forces everyone to assume everything else to which you can safely response with "waa waa waa i'm on my fucking periods, look at my gushy smeeelly v-v-v-v-vaaaag (or something equally pointless)".

>>135191071
Probably, but given the quantity of slide and generic garbage threads nowadays I've significantly lowered my standards. Making this gold. Almost a happening in fact.
"Dumb slut wants people to read her mind.", REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.

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>If everything is subjective why should I do anything?
Nobody can answer you this. You seek for an answer that doesn't exist. People can only tell you ways to stop feeling this way; ultimately, even your life-philosophy of "everything is subjective" is still subjective and not objective; it's just one of the many that you have adopted, and are stuck with. So far you've shot every single advice on how to move on down, presumably because of your ego

My advice would be psychedelics, but again, this is just another way for you to stop feeling the way you do. There is no answer, so you have no objective reason to listen to me either. Have fun withering away

I have this problem anon

Ive got a good job, national success, pretty fit, comes across as confident, often can be intimidating to weaker personalities.

But I cant really shake the nihilism. I think its just a sense that I dont belong here and have nothing in common with the people around me. The country is going to shit and everyone seems happy about it.
Probably wont ever get married here because I just cant bring myself to chase after these thots that seem to inhabit the place.

So I just kind of live for the sake of it, and chase after a new success in the hope that it might fill the hole this time. There is no easy fix. You can succeed at life and it still might not help. Maybe its just you and you have to learn to deal with it. Ride the tiger dude

>>135156790
honestly smoke weed.

changes your point of view about life

>>135192036
Take it from, I get like this too but I am confident of the system crashing in the next 20 years. Until then I will do my best to redpill and promote NatSoc here in the UK meanwhile living my life as Fascism ideals dictate

>>135156790
>bear 12 aryan sons
The science is in White boy your sperm isn't powerful enough to produce 12 sons, hell you might have trouble producing a single healthy child.

>>135156790
islam

>>135191121
>>''What if life was actually meaningless and but it is up to us to find a meaning and a purpose, rather than resorting to hedonistic behaviors ?''
you would like Albert Camus.

>>135191878

i properly explained my logic several times in thread, you're just too lazy and misogynistic to read. doesn't really matter though, i'm pretty certain by your posts you'd be of no use to the conversation anyways.

>>135191954

"withering away" is fully subjective too, and I have literally already tried every single "advice", i've had this problem my entire life, i've given up on "willing" my way out of it, i was just trying to somehow convince myself my base assumptions were wrong and go from there

i tried lsd and mushrooms last year, pretty high doses, didn't make me feel anything but extra defensive for some reason, like i was being attacked by everyone in the world even though i was alone... what does that mean dr. genghis? maybe my ego is too strong, idk

>>135192348

tried that, just gave me dry eyes and made me extra depressive, i don't have any friends to be "trip/high buddies" or whatever they're called so maybe thats it

>>135192595

sharia law wouldn't be so bad at this point

Nihilism is just a fancy word for being a pussy. Start lifting weights.

>>135192696

Once again why would you faggots read the diluted bb authors instead of the forefathers (dostoevsky and kierkegaard). I read a lot of Camus as a teenager, and Dostoevsky, I liked Camus more because I thought that religious views were a circumstance of the time period and location for either Kierkegaard or Dostoevsky. This was a big mistake and basically reading camus is a waste of time if you do not move onto its foundation later.

>>135192942
remember to sage your posts in this egotistical teenager's blog thread

>>135156790

well OP,

you can either be a healthy, happier human, who has fulfilled their evolutionary purpose by breeding and you have better the lives of others around you, and most importantly your own.

who cares if it doesn't matter in the end, you can either be a total loser and it doesn't matter or you can be a decent human being and it doesn't matter.

I was like you once too, but I'm coming round to the idea that it's important to be fulfilled regardless, otherwise who are you to bitch and moan about politics and the way the world is run if you can hardly control your own pathetic life?

>>135193115

still not an argument tim, just because you can't make one doesn't make it a "blog"

and i watched 5 full minutes of that timestamp, he was just talking about how consciousness deserves respect, nothing about my point. try harder.

>>135192846
>"withering away" is fully subjective too
But you don't really feel this way now do you? That's why you're here to begin with, you recognize a problem. You're dissatisfied, you're not happy. You want CHANGE

>didn't make me feel anything but extra defensive for some reason, like i was being attacked by everyone in the world even though i was alone... what does that mean dr. genghis? maybe my ego is too strong, idk
Your ego isn't too strong, you're just too stuck up. You're afraid of change because you've convinced yourself over the years that yours is he only way to view life. But you're mistaken since your very own life-philosophy is paradoxical. You're simply afraid of leaving your comfort zone because you're a slave to your chemicals in your brain

Let's play this out. If you truly want to stick to "nothing matters" philosophy, then don't you agree you should try to make life as enjoyable as possible? You evidently don't want to die, so you want to spend the time you have here... here. So I'm gonna assume the answer is yes. Now, are you as happy as you could be? Is this your peak happiness?

>>135194226

>You want CHANGE

I just wanted my worldview logically challenged, i'm not going to bullied into changing by peer pressure, that's not a sufficient reason.

>Is this your peak happiness?

i hope not, but i've tried to change it so many times without sucess that i've come to believe that maybe it is, maybe some people just can't "turn their brains" off and do shit until they get somewhere better, some people are doomed by a certain type of psychology to get stuck in the "rational justification" stage forever. i've never had any friends nevermind a partner, and there's a very real possibility that even if i worked my ass off and got "hot" my fundamental personality would turn anyone off and i'd never be able to connect, i.e reach that mythical plane of "higher happiness", and that failure would in turn cause me a much greater suffering in magnitude. currently the cost benefit analysis of that risk does not come out in its favour, but i hoped maybe with a different value system or altered priors it might? idk, it was worth a try i guess.

>>135192846
>muhmasogany
Yes, let's ignore how you keep reiterating the same shit over an over again.
I.e., "What is the point of anything", "No arguments", a mixture of the 2 or a slightly expanded variation.

Protip for future, if you want to have an 'intelligent' debate over something and keep people from talking about you then maybe try not to talk about your emo self embellished with all the pitiable keywords every chance there appears.

Also, objective values are not a thing. You even considering it is a clear demonstration of a flawed brain. If you want something that is subjective to be objective (to you) then you need to change you. You refuse to change you to validate your 'argument', discussion ended.
>But but you're stupid and stuff, keep whiteknighting so I can talk about my depressing life and further emphasize how desperately I want help, but you shouldn't actually help me, I do want it, but please don't, you're stupid and how can something subjective be objective, you're still stupid
You experience from you, anything can be anything to you, given you're deluded enough to commit to it.
>But but you're stupid, it still isn't real
It is, to you.
>But but that's stupid
Yes, it is. So, let's just accept human "values" and the systems around it are subjective and you can carry on by assigning them the value that you deem appropriate. Ah, you valued them at nil because a subjective human concept wasn't objective.
So, what was the point again?

>>135194226
Great post. I'll add that being "trapped" in one's own comfort zone isn't necessarily a bad thing as long as it's making you happy and is consensual. A nihilism zone isn't a happy one, in most all cases. Just tweak the comfort zone until you make life as enjoyable as possible.

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>>135165150
You forgot one senpai

>>135195345
>just wanted my worldview logically challenged, i'm not going to bullied into changing by peer pressure, that's not a sufficient reason.
Again, you cannot challenge a "but everything is subjective" worldview. You can shoot every single argument down with "that's subjective". You're on a fools quest. You did this thread because you weren't happy but you're stuck on your narrow view which prevents you from growing

>i hope not, but i've tried to change it so many times without sucess that i've come to believe that maybe it is, maybe some people just can't "turn their brains" off
This tells me you think highly of yourself. "Turning your brain off" isn't a thing, we all have dopamine and we all can feel fulfillment. It's not about how smart or dumb you are. Your depression is just a bunch of chemicals in your brain like everything else, it's not some 'certain kind of psychology'. It's just a boringly normal mundane depression, a coping mechanism we have. You're not special

>i've never had any friends nevermind a partner
So try to achieve these. We're social animals, we find fulfillment in friends and family. You're in such an entry level on this whole existential crisis thing that I probably cba to go further. LITERALLY get friends and get over how not special you are

>>135192555
I hope you're right, but i dont really see it happening without an external push from another country. And then you still have the problem of how you deal with the filth left over

>>135196069
>Also, objective values are not a thing. You even considering it is a clear demonstration of a flawed brain.

you're basically calling every religious person who ever lived a retard, congrats I guess

the rest of your post looks to just be ad homs so I guess there isn't really a response. I'll just pretend to be a norman without any problems and post the question as a purely hypothetical one next time but somehow i doubt it will make much of a difference. some people can genuinely be helped by reading a bunch of /r/getdisciplined tier advice, and i'm very glad if this thread reached one of them, that just isn't me.

>>135196601

literally just ad hominem but okay genghis. i've never been able to bond with another human being but sure, serious mental illness doesn't exist and no one is any different than you inside, we're all just normies who don't want it bad enough. why do i even bother with nonwhites.

>>135197012
>...So, let's just accept human "values" and the systems around it are subjective and you can carry on by assigning them the value that you deem appropriate. Ah, you valued them at nil because a subjective human concept wasn't objective. So, what was the point again?
Let's hope your fragile self can handle that at least.

>>135156790

Just get started and you will feel better and that's the value. Feeling good is valueable. Just start faggot

you read 'the absurdity without god'

quick read, changed my life.

http://rintintin.colorado.edu/~vancecd/phil3600/Craig.pdf

>>135156790
First you discover the earth is flat and that there is a God.

Then clean your room, and never stop cleaning your life.

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>>135197012
>american calling a finn nonwhite
>calling everything she doesn't like an ad hominem, while herself throwing ad hominems around
>displaying belief that skin color makes a race superior which logically means she has to acknowledge that women are inferior to men, which makes her whole statement about skin color extremely ironic
you naive, poor woman. Enjoy eternal depression because you were too full of yourself to even try

>>135192036
> I don't belong here and have nothing in common with the people around me
Related: >>135164576
It's only natural. The community is dead. People were uprooted in industrialization and that status has only been cemented by the modern economy. Whole cities built around a few factories, elite universities, financial hubs filled with all sorts from specialized elites to their servants in social housing, the disparate rents stemming from this extremely uneven distribution of demand all tearing people up by their roots making them drift around aimlessly where they don't and can't belong. It's dead, it's been dead for ages. There is no community. Just a loose gaggle of idiots with nothing in common, not culture, not values, not experience, not even religion. Countrymen who're practically alien to each other, of course they feel little being invaded by foreigners. They already feel like foreigners themselves. And its death dragged virtue with it. Without the community there's no one left to reward virtue, materially or with renown. The latter can't even exist in any meaningful way without it.

So people become jews. They make a new distinction, a new group, create a community they can belong in, that they can work for, that can acknowledge and reward them. Ranging from just a person to a family, a hobby group, the military, a party, race or ideology they let define them. Everywhere men are searching for meaning in insular communities. Like the dissolution of an empire into smaller states. Instead of the local community that was part of a larger whole we're splintering into groups utterly foreign to one another, bound by nothing. Us and ours turned into us and them. You don't fix it by stating "I and them", that's what caused it in the first place. You need something to extract your values from. Find your people or find God.

>>135197540

i agree that life without god seems to make most people miserable, how did you personally make the leap of faith to actually, whole-heartedly believe in him though? that's the part that i get stuck on
>>135197719

1. you're literally, genetically mongolian 2. your entire post was ad hom and just trying to bully me into buying your belief system, no actual arguments 3. that does not follow at all, white women inferior to white men but are on average still superior to brown men, 100 iq vs 80 iq. idc about finns specifically since your people have literally never acomplished anything, that's all i really need to know.

i will thanks, enjoy being a soulless normie

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Positive Nihilism is the true red pill

Take it my dude

Also clean room

>>135197804
Maybe youre right, dont really have a people as I grew up in the US and now live where I am. Have been trying to go to church more often and that helps a little bit

>>135198490
Nihilism IS decadence you fucking summerfag.
Get yourself a raison d'etre.

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>>135156790
Nihilism is a tool to impose apathy in place of despair because you're here, not there.
Provided you're of clear mind, you already know what you require of yourself to be 'happy' because you feel bad not doing it.

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>>135199043
Not an argument.

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>>135198335
>1. you're literally, genetically mongolian
>she bought into the meme without actually seeking an objective truth

> 2. your entire post was ad hom and just trying to bully me into buying your belief system, no actual arguments
>still going on about "muh argument" when I twice explained how you can not argue "everything is subjective"

>3. that does not follow at all, white women inferior to white men but are on average still superior to brown men, 100 iq vs 80 iq. idc about finns specifically since your people have literally never acomplished anything, that's all i really need to know
>she thinks she's smart because someone who immigrated from Europe to america invented something
>she thinks she's above niggers because of muh average iq, despite 100 being plain retarded

But most importantly, and I think this really says mountains about you as a person
>she thinks everything is meaningless and there is nothing objective yet she uses accomplishments of a race as an argument why something is superior
>she feels superiority in general in a world where everything is subjective
just let that sink in for a moment. I know you're inferior to me since you're a woman, but you should be able to figure out why you're so laughable

I take everything I've said back, you're just really, really fucking dumb

>women
>not a meme gender
going to sleep, thanks for reminding me to never waste time trying to talk with women even remotely seriously

>>135198490
>clean room
why?

>>135199739
Its the smallest magnitude of something you can fix.
Then fix bigger things.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Kmh4BbJPz8

>>135156790
Gee i wonder what those objective systems of values could be hmm :thonking:
>Protip it's Christianity

>>135199461

>ad hom after ad hom after ad hom, still no argument whatsoever

prime example of finnish culture, glad you won't ever be reproducing. i can feel subjective superiority to a people who have literally never accomplished anything and never will, and a man who has no logical basis for his worldview or his view of superiority to women (many of whom have singlehandedly accomplished more than your people ever have, e.g marie curie)


again, enjoy being a both completely empty and completely retarded norman

>>135200340

HOW do you make yourself believe in that?

i've asked this like 4 times in this thread and not a single christian has answered me ree

>>135156790
It gets harder to see meaning in life as you get older. I've been through what you describe, but I can get out of it by taking better care of myself. You should quit drinking or getting high, try to quit masturbating, and try to sleep normal hours. You'll find your ability to relate to life on an emotionally meaningful level will improve. Also, if you're hot, maybe we can make Aryan sons together? I'm an Aryan male with the same objective.

>>135199972
for what purpose? (I am a nihilist)

>>135200644
You already said you believe it. It's not about believing there is a physical old bearded man in the clouds. It helps a large population but believing in a literal God is means to an end.

>>135200808

i'm not hot at all sorry, my throwaway email is [email protected] if you still want to talk though

>>135201505

when did i say i believed it? I said i believed that it would make the majority of people happier. do you just believe in god as a metaphorical concept/ "oneness of all things" type deal? I thought most christians would consider that heretical?

>>135200958
>Why become more able to fix your life?
Dunno lol

>>135156790
Get off the couch and do it you fucking fag

>>135156790
I choose to have faith in humanity and our future

>>135156790
you defeat it by returning to Christ and killing off all atheist garbage in your fucking life.

>>135201940
>On some level i want to get fit[...]
Ok, my bad, on some level you believe it. You better start believing it though, for it is the branch on which western civilisation sits, which many of us are eagerly sawing off. Unless we are already falling.

About meta vs physical, the metaphorical god is (was?) more physically real than a physical god would be.

Think about it.

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>>135156790

>objective

All this means is you want others to agree with what YOU value

Not everything is objective anon, wars are fought and people die over opinions constantly. Objectivism is good buy not everything needs to be objective

>>135156790
>tfw white but not aryan
JUST

>>135201940
Tits, or leave. Dumb dumb.

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>>135200340

Christian values are actually derived from greco-roman stoicism which is why judaism is so philosophically primative by comparison.

Read up on stoicism, it's one of the purest and oldest philosophies for meaningful and artful living.

>>135203260

>you better start believing it

....so, you just hope to bully people into believing it based on fear? this is probably my least favorite aspect of religions desu, i was kind of hoping for better reasoning.

>>135203543

rip in pieces

>>135203644

nope, i'll stay, sucks to be you, dumb dumb.

>>135202316
exactly, it's meaningless

>>135204114
Stupid ass entitled roastie. Quit using this board to validate your shitty fatass existence.

>>135204370

nope, i'll continue to do so, if only to watch you suffer ;)

>>135204120
>fix life or live in a ditch
Meaningful enough.

>>135204609
How about lose some weight you pig. Pick up a fucking skill maybe. I'm trying to help you even though I'm insulting your ugly ass in the process. You're a fat cow, and no one wants to do ya.

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>>135196402
Kys, heretical faggot.

>>135205064

for what objective reason? ;)))

desu i don't care if no one wants to "do" me anymore, people are trash (including m'self) and even if i were to get hot i don't think i'd be able to tolerate being around them. doesn't matter anyways.

>>135204114
>bully
Yes.
If you want more western civilisation as you know it you follow Christianity.
Be bullied into Christianity or don't and you and your descendants will suffer unfathomable bullying, levels of bullying that shouldnt even be possible. And I'm not talking about hell.

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>>135205064
She should be grateful we even bother with her stupid fatass.

>>135205524

still not an argument and no one thinks your a though guy online for threatening not to post in a thread with 270+ responses, you literally do not matter at all, bye bye, don't let the door hit ya where the lord split ya.

>>135205502
I'm basically a fucking golden god. I have so many goddamn hobbies and abilities it is unfair to normal people at this point. I have a decent house with a loving wife. I can't fathom what it's like to be such a fuck up with such a shit world view.

>>135206107

i physically could not care less, but enjoy i guess, glad there's no kids in that picture. well adjusted, successful people do not post on /pol/ but keep telling yourself that. it's still not an argument ;)

>>135206825
And you can keep telling yourself that bullshit. Just end it you waste of space. Livestream it so I can laugh.

>>135207289

nope, i have the funds to last the rest of my life in peak physical comfort, there's absolutely no reason for me to do that, enjoy wagecucking for that mortgage while your wife fucks jamal i guess.

>>135207636
Not an argument.

>>135207801

neither is literally anything you've posted so far, can't argue against a non-argument bud.

it is true though ;)

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>>135205856
>not an argument.
I wasn't talking about arguments, you dumb bitch, it's obvious that if you don't sort yourself out, your life will be fucking miserable, this is my last (You), don't spend it all in one place.

>>135208126
You are dumber than a bag of dicks. You wanna defeat nihilism? Get off your fat, hemorrhoid ridden ass and do something that doesn't involve fantasizing about successful people being unsuccessful.

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>>135208794
She's either a liberal cunt or a dumb roastie, sage.

>>135208781
I want to kill that mollymeme faggot for making dumbasses think they're smart for uttering the phrase.

>>135208794

that doesn't defeat it logically, and you're still a genetic dead end at the moment so i don't really care about your house, i literally own one myself (outright), it doesn't matter.

>>135208781

i don't care about ad homs, i care about arguments, my life seems to be happier than yours atm since i have never gotten mad enough to call anyone a "dumb bitch" online and i can afford literally anything i want, but enjoy bud.

>>135208927

i'm a white nationalist and a virgin, you're just a loser who can't justify his beliefs with logical arguments, sorry dude.

>>135209137

i don't think i'm smart, i just know for a fact you are not since you cannot argue for a single one of your shitty beliefs

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>>135209137
It's like shouting "LA! LA! I CAN'T HEAR YOU!" at the top of your lungs, like a retard.

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>>135170263
Rich man's folly, anon.

Most people don't have time to worry about the existential crisis of what comes after no longer needing to produce to survive. That's called retirement anon, and I hear it's boring as shit.

So congrats anon, you're retired, having contributed nothing towards the upward march of society except your own hedonistic pleasures. Luckily in our consumer based society, your selfish consumption can be converted to create wealth for others who actually have the drive to contribute to mankind in any meaningful way.

>>135209281
Good luck you dumb bitch, it's dinner time.

I will try to explain how I see this:

You do care if I kill you right? So it means you associate a certain value with your self-preservation. This value comes from genetic programming throughout millions of year of evolution. Those who did not care about their own lives did not transmit their alleles. So you're in fact not strictly nihilistic as you have some values.
There are other kinds of values we get from genetics like tribalism, family, sex... Raising your aryan kids is not automatically a pain in the ass because evolution has made it a fulfilling experience for mothers - otherwise we certainly would not have been born to argue about this.

Secondly, if I take from you your house and your money you wouldn't be happy right? And if I offer you a lollypop you would be? So it means you associate a certain value with your well-being. If you were really nihilistic, being not happy would be just as valuable as being sad. Creating your own system of values means: You start from the premise of your well being and you deduct what are your values (i.e. friends are mere objects for your own happiness, thus you create the value "having friends"). These values are not selfless, it is always for your own good.

You can also create values with conditioning (see Skinner box). I could condition you into constantly wanting to smoke cigarettes for instance, I created you a value.
If you are constantly tortured by the thought of not knowing if there are transcendant values from God, just condition yourself values. You could litteraly condition yourself into being christian.

Tl;dr You already have values, you are not nihilistic.

Sorry for my bad spelling. I wrote this post late and I forgot half of what I wanted to say.

>>135156790
Usually it stems from question the meaning of life.

But theres an answer to it.

The meaning of life is to have a meaningful life.

>>135209393

holy shit the cognitive dissonance required of you to post that image is astounding

>>135209481

yeah, i already had my panera, enjoy your wifes shit cooking i guess.

>>135209469

not really an argument, anyways wagecucking seems to be a lot more boring than this honestly. maybe raising children wouldn't be but i probably idealize it too much in my mind.

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>>135209281
>my life seems to be happier than yours atm since i have never gotten mad enough to call anyone a "dumb bitch" online and i can afford literally anything i want, but enjoy bud.

>Implying I am mad.

Listen here, I'll let you in a little secret: We don't really care about you, like, at all.
We are here to see how fucked up is this shit world, how much stupid it can get.
We reply to you because we're bored enough to see if there's neuronal activity in that thick skull of yours.

There is none.

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>>135209841
>cognitive dissonance

Look ma! I am using buzzwords in an albanian streetdancing forum!

>>135209873

no, you consistently respond to my posts within a few minutes with angry language and images, i can use basic logical inference (unlike appearently most of this board) that you are pretty upset or at least have literally no actual hobbies whatsoever. either way, very pathetic. and still, not an argument.

>>135210128

exhibit 857.

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>>135157585
>just delude yourself into believing some bullshit about spirits or whatever
Nah I can't do that, just go for absurdism and be happy in the meaninglessness

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>>135156790
Aim for the highest good in all you do.

>>135156790
Acknowledge that the work has little worth on a cosmic scale, but do it anyway
That's what I do

>>135156790
You only get one life anon. Make it matter.

>>135166568
>Race is eternal
but it's not?

>>135167580
"Objective" doesnt mean "real"

>>135211032

how do you convince yourself to care, pierre?

>>135169172
Yes the eternal question
To be or not to be
Why do you persist, Mr Anderson?
What gives birth to life and will and desire and being
Why is there something rather than nothing
Who or what are you?
The answers are choice-dependent, like divine creation is or the idea we can make of it
The prime mover and motive
The desire to live
This isnt an intellectual thing
Why pretend it has an intellectual answer?

>>135209841
It's not about wage slavery. That meme is for people who can't figure out how to escape the bottom level of capitalism. I did it without a fund. You did by birthright.

Its about production and consumption. Start looking at everything you do in terms of consumption or production.

Real men of society produce more than they consume, regardless of financial status. Doing shit is fun, anon. If you don't want a job, invest in real estate. The whole point is to produce. Once you are a productive member of society, then comes self respect, and self fulfillment soon follows.

This includes reproduction, which is as awesome as you imagine if done in the context of a healthy, PRODUCTIVE family.

>>135211474
I used to be a depressive faggot
That led me to destroying my self until my ego itself burned out
My mind cleared off much of its junk
It is an irrational processus and reality, it cant be touched objectively
I also became dumb and insane and lost most of my potential
But I'm a bit immune to depression now

>>135212467

i mean, i could do some small day trading i guess, most of my wealth is in trusts i can't control the distribution of, only withdraw a set amount from. i really don't want to have to interact with other people in meatspace though, i'm really terrible at it. being a "real man" isn't a prerogative of mine. i guess i sort of employ people with my investments right now, indirectly? idk, the whole money thing has never done much for me in terms of meaning, maybe it needs to be direct though. if i'm being honest with myself i probably won't ever get to the family stage with my degree of autism, i could use a sperm donor but thats very degen and the kids would end up even more fucked up than i am. oh well.

>>135213069

i'm glad you found the way out, pierre. how does your ego "burn itself out", did you stay in your room for a long time until it just happened? or what

>>135212311
We all define our own happiness. Good on you for asking the good questions. The best definition of happiness is the one where you reign supreme, but that differs for every person. It's probably not conducive to correlate happiness with nihilism like OP, but Zergs like >>135212467 might be able to achieve happiness with an abstract definition of productivity being happiness.