Why shouldn't transgenders be allowed to serve in the m

>>135142790
How much does it cost per tranny vs non tranny.

Because they will fucking kill themselves at shocking rates.

Vets and trannies alone have scary high suicide rates, I wouldn't mix that.

But daddy Trump said the mean trannys are bad. Bad people are scary! You don't think papa Trumpy lied, do you?

>>135142790
>if they pass all the normal requirements?
Not being insane is a requirement, sorry you're a lunatic.

>>135142955
The American Medical Association disagrees with you, and I believe them over you.

Because mental health disorders are something that bars enlistment already, sage goes in all fields.

>>135143045
>>135143056
Can you point me where in the DSM5 is says trannys are insane or a mental disorder? I'll wait.


Are you going to tell me the earth is flat next?

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>>135142790
Easy. A 45% suicide rate.

>>135143146
Tranny isnt a medical term, so it's not htere.

It indeed lists body/gender dismorphia as disorders, as it always has.

>>135143219
So tranny is a made up word with no meaning you use to push your retarded emotional arguments? Ok

>>135143163
>There is no medically valid reason to exclude transgender individuals from military service.
-American Medical Association

But what would doctors know about mental health? :^)

>>135143146
>it's not a mental health issue
>but I need medical insurance to pay for my medicine and surgery
Pick one

>>135142790
how are you supposed to dilate your nuvagina for 4hours a day if you are on the front lines? why can't liberals concede that they haven't thought this out.

Trans -> Gender Dysphoria
Gender Dysphoria -> Mental illness
Mental illness -> Not fit to serve
Q.E.D

Serving in the armed forces is a privileged (not a right) given to those deemed fit to serve by generals who possess more experience in combat that any libtard.

>>135142790
>It doesn't effect unit cohesion

Confirmed not in the military

>>135143146
DSM-IV was changed in 2013 and still refers to TS as Gender Dysphoria. Even that super glorious tranny lauded by the news yesterday and today served as a MAN and transitioned afterwards. But with a nearly 50% suicide rate, there is obviously NOTHING WRONG MENTALLY.

>>135143396
>So
disregarding everything past this point. You argue like a half-witted child.

>>135142790
Because it divides democrats

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>>135143396
Sure dumbass, ignore the colossally disproportionate suicide rates. You are literally retarded.

>>135143053
The AMA didn't say anything about the suicide rate...

>>135143450
>>135143425
>>135143531
>Even upper-bound estimates indicate that less than 0.1 percent of the total force would seek transition-related care that could disrupt their ability to deploy.

https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR1530.html

Got anything more than "muh feelies" to argue with?

>>135143587
>DSM-IV
You know there's a new one? Why would I regard what an outdated text says about anything? I can cite leeches as a cure for migraines with your logic.

>>135143641
>ad hom

>>135142790
>doesn't effect unit cohesion
Kek

>>135142790
Trannies are mentally ill. By definition that are unfit to serve.

>"There is no medically valid reason to exclude transgender individuals from military service."

High suicide rate

>>135143732
They didn't need to. Do you understand how words work?

>There is no medically valid reason
Indicates just that. Which, surprise surprise, includes suicide risk.

>>135143794
Show me medically where it says all trannies are mentally ill :3

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>>135142790
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE

>>135143739
What part of "Gender Dysphoria is a mental illness therefore if you have it you cannot serve in the armed forces" did you not understand?

>>135143739
>we pulled this prediction clear from our ass but we're the American Medical Association so you better buy it goyim

>there are actual people who think that someone believing they're the wrong sex is not a mental issue

It's a mental issue. That's all there is to it.

>>135143822
Are you denying that a 45% suicide rate is a valid medical concern?

>>135142790
Go back to poofchan aka Reditt you poojabber

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There is no excuse for bigotry. It's a sad day in US history. Our blood is on Trump's hands.

>>135143983
A collective suicide as protest?
Well the gene pool could use a clean up, go ahead

>>135142943
A few thousand costs over 8 million more dollars per year.

>>135143893
If a veteran suffers from PTSD then gets treatment should they not be allowed to redeployed? What does body dysphoria or gender dysphoria have to do with killing people? If the commander thinks it will be a liability then ofc they shouldnt be forced to allow them into their unit but they are denying useful resources if they dq someone for petty irrelevant shit.

>>135143952
>>135143963
>There is no medically valid reason to exclude transgender individuals from military service.

How upset are you rn?

>>135143872
They suffer from a mild form of schizophrenia as they believe they don't belong as their natural born gender. This is no different than someone believing they are a dog

>>135142790
Because they don't recruit mentally ill people.

>>135144133
I'll be sure to value your opinion once weighed against medical professionals. lol

>>135142790
Who gives a fuck. Gay men shouldn't even be able to serve. Once you get to where you're arguing if trannies should serve you've already lost the plot. They should be in concentration camps.

>>135144089
No you shouldn't redeploy someone with ptsd even treated

>>135144241
I am a medical professional kys

>>135144089
PTSD is a mental illness so they are unfit to serve

How do you not understand that?

Any mental illness prohibits a person from joining the armed forces, it's that simple.

>>135142790
If I can't serve in the military because I take SSRIs to be normal, trannies who have to take medication everyday to function shouldn't either.

>>135142790
Because they're mentally ill

>>135143739
>I can cite leeches as a cure for migraines with your logic
Leeches actually work, there are a tonne of science around it. doing it to much is stupid of course, but it does actually work for things.

>>135142790
Most of these "people" (let's be safe and say 80%) have never been patriotic enough to serve in the armed forces in the first place.

What?!?!? Now that Trump has imposed a ban on them from joining the armed forces, they suddenly cry out in anger about this?

If Trump made it totally illegal for trans person to kill themselves I bet most (80%) would protest against it.

Trump is a genius who is throwing ammo (blanks) to his enemies so they shut up and forget about his next plans (Debbie)

Enjoy the ride!

>>135142790
Because being mentally healthy is a normal requirement. Believing you are something that you are not and trying to alter your physical appearance to act like that thing that you are not is not indicative of sound mental health...

>>135144623
For migraines? I'd love to see that. lol

>>135142790

AMA: "There is no medically valid reason to exclude transgender individuals from military service."

BY THE WAY: "AMA policy also supports public and private health insurance coverage for treatment of gender dysphoria".

I BET IT FUCKING DOES.

AMA confirmed for cucked, time to destroy it.

>>135142790

If transgenders can enter the army you know what does it means too right?

People with diabetes can enter too, since the medical costs wouldn't rise too high for giving free meds to ill people and they have a "right" and all, people with genetic defects too since "they were born that way" and have a right too, and so on with people which were left out in the first place because combat effectiveness and working people under logistic constraints was more important than some people's feelings.

>But muh slippery slope.

We started with women, a century ago, now we are going with gays and transfags, call it a fallacy all you want.

>But muh non combat jobs

You know, there is a reason why POGS recieve combat training too; they can be asigned to combat jobs easily to quickly cover loses, all non combat jobs are just people behind the guy with the gun but ready to take the fight themselves if SHTF.

Also POGs do suffer too, maybe less than the guy a the front but individual needs are not taken into account when your mission is to support the needs of the person with the rifle not add more strain to the logistics because you thought your feelings were more important, and now having artificially hormone imbalanced people around seemed to someone like a good idea.

>>135144692
Fucking bullshit.

I can't even find a psychiatrist that's accepting new patients. I can't serve in the military because of a past of mental illness. Yet transgender faggots get to serve AND receive "treatment" they do not need on government funds?

WTF.

>>135144688
I don't believe migraines but for things like blood infections and shit. I read about years ago.
It's similar to how electro shock thereapy can help with certain things in very low and controlled amounts, and how bloodletting, again in very low and controlled amounts does actually help. They have been updated now a days to be done with machines in a well controlled environment, but the old ways DO work.

>>135144688
>migranes can be caused by high blood pressure
>leeches administer anti-coagulant that improves bloodflow in localized areas

Not really that far-fetched.

>>135143872
> :3
Kys faggot

>>135142790
Let me use myself as an example here. I have aspergers syndrome and ocd. The only meds i take are antidepressants that help slightly with the ocd stuff. I am otherwise an entirely functional member of society, work full time, drive, live alone. If i were to apply to join the military they would not allow me to enlist because of my history of and ongoing mental illnesses. This is something i understand and accept. People like me should not be involved in combat as we could potentially be a liability to the other soldiers.

Trannies, all of them, guaranteed have history of depression, anxiety, and more. Do you want people like that operating weapons and equipment for the military? I don't. A soldier must be mentally stable as the ramifications of a breakdown in a high stress combat situation are severe.

>>135144093
Be logical about it for a second, 45% of transgendered people attempt suicide. about 20 vets kill themselves everyday. What do you think would happen if an actual war were to start, and the increasing number of transgendered people start joining up (or god forbid drafted)

>>135142790


1. It doesn't cost much of anything at all and we don't use this rationale to stop other people from joining.

>Money, morale, opportunity cost in training, facilities, equipment, combat, loss of life in combat from depression induced inaction. This is enough to not even bother with the rest of your points.

2. It doesn't affect unit cohesion.

>Of course it does, people just aren't allowed to say so under penalty of PC inquisition, loss of job, other torture tactics like 'sensitivity training' etc.

>3. There's no medically valid reason for a blanket ban.

Of course there is, gender dysphoria is a mental illness. The military disqualifies you for a lot less.

>4. We already have 5,000+ enlisted, with no problems.

No one is allowed to study or comment on problems due to the PC inquisition. It's a complete waste of time and resources for all concerned with nothing to be gained and quite a bit to be lost.

>>135143396
No, «tranny» is short for «transgender», a term used to refer to those who suffer from gender dysphoria/body dysmorphia - and which they use themselves as well.
Don't play dumb anon

>>135144957
> :3
Oh shit a lion.

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>>135143531
>>135144234
>>135144591
Are all mental illnesses preventing people from serving?
If you have ADD or some shit can you be in the military? What about Autism? The US cyber-command would be a lot weaker if they banned autists from serving

>>135145133
I believe it's anything that would require daily medication because if you're serving and suddenly do not have access to medicine that makes you function regularly, you become a liability.

>>135145133
>Are all mental illnesses preventing people from serving?
Yes.

>>135145067
https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR1530.html

>>135143033
No I don't The God Emperor Daddy Trump would lie to me you little beta bitch.

Make That Shithole America Great Again

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>>135142790
>It doesn't affect unit cohesion.

Yes it does. Nobody wants to serve next to some freak who thinks he's a woman.

>There's no medically valid reason for a blanket ban.

Homosexuality and gender dysmorphia are mental illnesses, just because activists politically pressured the APA to remove them from the DSM doesn't change the fact that no evidence suggests that these two disorders are any but.

If people with a history of asthma past 13 aren't allowed in then neither should some delusional, and mentally ill man.

Personally, I'd serve next to an asthmatic who'd potentially put me in the position of lugging his wheezy ass around than some mentally unstable person.

Stop using the institution that ensures national defense and security for your political posturing.

>>135145244
>Even upper-bound estimates indicate that less than 0.1 percent of the total force would seek transition-related care that could disrupt their ability to deploy.

https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR1530.html

>>135142790
Weaken the cohort, same as women.

There about 20 other great reasons, too, but I'm too lazy. sage

>>135145355
>The limited research on the effects of foreign military policies indicates little or no impact on unit cohesion, operational effectiveness, or readiness. Commanders noted that the policies had benefits for all service members by creating a more inclusive and diverse force.

>Policy changes to open more roles to women and to allow gay and lesbian personnel to serve openly in the U.S. military have similarly had no significant effect on unit cohesion, operational effectiveness, or readiness.

https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR1530.html

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>>135142790
>Transfaggot abominations willing to serve the "Literally Hitler"'s army
this timeline

>>135142790
A military needs troops that are low to no maintenance.
Anybody that has to take meds everyday is a liability, what would happen if their base went under siege?

Not only that, but the number of people who will abandon their positions if they have to be in the squad as a tranny is higher than the number of trannies joining. Stiring up bullshit and causing massive moral damage just to be progressive and let in less than .03% of the population is fucking stupid.

>>135145454
Someone post the screencap about why women in the military is a fucking horrible Idea.

>>135142790
>it doesnt affect unit cohesion
bullshit, fuck you and gay trap fetish

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>Transgendered staying in the military

https://twitter.com/idreesali114/status/890584115669602304

Even when we lose, we win. lol
How upset are you trumpets?

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought transfags had gender dysphoria, a mental condition that requires hormones for treatment?

Both of those issues seem disqualifying. Are there transexuals whos dysphoria is mild enough that they don't need drugs?

>>135144089
>If a veteran suffers from PTSD then gets treatment should they not be allowed to redeployed?
Yes. That is EXACTLY the case. Also, someone with PTSD who has never served CANNOT enlist.

>>135145133
>If you have ADD or some shit can you be in the military?
If it's bad enough to have EVER needed drugs, then no. If it's mild, you may be able to get a waiver.

>What about Autism?
Oh hell no. Mild aspergers is a maybe. You have to hold yourself together enough to get through boot camp and all that sort of shit.

>The US cyber-command would be a lot weaker if they banned autists from serving
NSA baby!

>>135145403
I have no personal problem with otherwise normal men running around the army pretending they're a woman as long as it doesn't get in the way of their service to the country. It's when they start requesting or enter while on HRT or have already gone through SRS that they are a detriment since they need their hormones DAILY otherwise they cannot function.

Same goes for anyone who has to take medication daily: mentally ill, asthmatic, etc.

>>135145668
>I don't like science! ree!

lol

see
>>135145454

>>135145516
see
>>135145403

>>135145707
psst

read my links in OP

>>135145695
Wait, reading the other shit here, if gender dysphoria is no longer an illness, then treatment for it shouldn't be covered by tricare or medical insurance.

>>135145800
I don't feel the need, anon. I think I've made a pretty reasonable claim.

>>135145746
But that's wrong lad. everything has a effect on unit cohesion. a squad of likeminded people work better than a squad of not likeminded people. the most effiecient and best of which are white heterosexual men.

>>135143053
>>135143146
>>135143396
>>135143739
>>135143822
>>135143872
>>135144093
>>135144241
>>135144688
>>135145284
>>135145403
>>135145454

Who let this AIDSposter on /pol/

>>>/lgbt/

It is common knowledge that transgender peoples are suiffering from mild to severe gender dysphoria/psychosis/schizophrenia. Fuck off back to your containment board.

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>>135145454
What kind of commanders?? Pencil pushers?
Why didn't they ask the enlisted men and NCO's this question? Because they wouldn't get the answer they were looking for.
Besides, everybody knows that during times of relative peace and low intensity conflict the only men who get promoted are the super conformists --to avoid lose cannons starting conflicts, wars, and interfering with State Department initiatives.

>>135145901
Except you haven't. Your claims aren't backed by facts, medical professionals or researchers who have looked into exactly what you're talking about.

You are, flat out, wrong. And your defense of "I don't wanna" shows how fragile your emotions are. The facts prove you wrong, and this is very upsetting to you.

>>135146124
>Your claims aren't backed by facts
If I can't enter the military because I have to take SSRIs daily anyone else who needs medication to function normally should not either.

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Anyone who is willing to fight and die for the banker should be allowed to serve, without exception.

>>135145746
>0 evidence
>no studies cited
>making baseless claims about transgenders affects on unit cohesion
>science

kill yourself

>>135146124
And your claims aren't backed up by the servicemen this would effect and their knowledge and experience on how it would effect them. if those researchers told you the sky was orange would you just believe everything they say, or would you look up and say otherwise?

I can't join because I take a daily steroid for my asthma and I'm colorblind. Why should someone who must consistently take hormone replacement drugs be allowed but I can't because of an asthma related medication? Changes in hormones can affect your psych, asthma meds can't.

>>135146209
>Even upper-bound estimates indicate that less than 0.1 percent of the total force would seek transition-related care that could disrupt their ability to deploy

How upsetting is this to you? lol

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>men who want to chop their dicks off because they think they're women should serve but I can't yet despite being able to meet the physical demands because I'm overweight

>>135142790
>1. It doesn't cost much of anything at all and we don't use this rationale to stop other people from joining.
>3. There's no medically valid reason for a blanket ban.

What the fuck are you talking about, we ban for much lesser conditions than this. Plus the millitary was even ok with it if they could specifically block sexual reassignment surgery, which doesn't even work and takes you out of the game for months, but the House would not let them. So instead they used their discretionary power.

>>135146280
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>>135146343

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>>135142790
> draft dodger telling who can serve and who can't serve
>if you ask pol to serve they say, "but kikes!"
> won't let MENTALLY STABLE traps serve to die for "kikes"
> all the extra medical costs can just go I to the VA
> actually being disgusted by a person in times of war, and not worrying about focusing on the situation
> inb4 traps are mentally ill
> inb4 gender dysphoria is illness
Why wouldn't the mentally stable ones be able to serve? Surely the 15,000 already enlisted have shown to be stable.

>>135146343
It seems you are missing the point where I said people who aren't on daily medication are eligible to serve.

>>135145746
(((studies)))
No one is buying your guys' crap anymore. We all know that the massive pressure on these (((scientists))) to get the result politically desired. This is why Jews continue to get physically removed from countries. And furthermore the Israelis know it; they HATE the Diaspora, especially the American Diaspora.

>>135146225
Unless their presence in the fighting force weakens it as a whole. Serving is a privilege, not a right. Having mentally unstable people on a battlefield is a liability and puts our soldiers at risk.

>>135146240
It's literally in the OP, lol

https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR1530.html

https://www.ama-assn.org/ama-statement-transgender-americans-military

>>135146411
It seems you're missing the part of that being a strawman

No one is asking mentally unwell trans to be allowed in.

>>135146351
Then lose weight faggot, its not that hard.
Being overweight is also a mental illness
> eating problems

We don't let overweight people join
We don't let people with diagnosed mental illness join
We don't let people with certain medical conditions join

Trans have proven to have 5x the normal suicide rate. We have plenty of other normal people willing to join why would we let in the weak?

I say we let trannies enlist on a division full of other trannies, and let them kill themselves. It would do world some justice.

>>135146503
Are you admitting that trans people on HRT and have gone through SRS are mentally ill? Because I completely agree.

>>135142790
Also the AMA is full of jews and FUCKING therapists.

FUCK THERAPISTS. FUCKING KIKE NON-SCIENTISTS WHO THINK THEY OWN MEDICINE, THINK THEY'RE REAL DOCTORS

>>135146503
>No one is asking mentally unwell trans to be allowed in.

All trans people are mentally unwell.

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they dont pass the normal requirements by definition: people with medical problems or mental disorders are not allowed.

kys faggot, were not paying for your genital mutilation surgery, period.

>>135146610
Except the thousands already in enlisted, lol

>>135143872
gender dysphoria is in the DSM you fucking retard. If it weren't a disease, there would be no reason to treat it

>>135146546
>We don't let overweight people join
Because they fucking lead to eating disorders which is an illness.

>>135146124

I trust the advice of a general. Sorry.

Trump was blasted for claiming to be smarter than our generals, remember?

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>>135146280
This. I'd serve along a color-blind asthmatic any day as long as he took his meds regularly and wasn't put in a sensitive position like shooter/spotter or forward observer.
I will not serve alongside somebody with gender dysmorphia, and would drive them out of my unit along with all of my other brothers.
These liberals are literally playing with the lives of noble young men who make the sacrifices that enable these liberals to live their privileged and decadent lives.

>>135146728
Yeah and this new decision rectifies the errors made by the previous administration.

>>135142790
>pass all normal requirements
>normal requirements
>normal
Gender Dysphoria is a serious mental illness and not compatible with military service.

>>135144080
It's not like there's a long line of potential soldiers being prevent from serving because of trannies.

THe mil requirements , require you not to be trans

>>135146872
Generals are the ones who commissioned the RAND report. lol

>>135147001
>Applying a range of prevalence estimates, combining data from multiple surveys, and adjusting for the male/female distribution in the military provided a midrange estimate of around 2,450 transgender personnel in the active component (out of a total number of approximately 1.3 million active-component service members) and 1,510 in the Selected Reserve.

lol

Autistic people can't serve in the military.

Mentally ill people can't serve in the military. Why should these belligerent, whiny, drama queens be any exception?

>>135142790
>Why shouldn't transgenders be allowed to serve in the military

1)They are insane
2)They take expensive drugs their 'existence' is dependent on necking pills
3)Heterosexual men don't want them around and find them repugnant
4)The military is not a social experiement

>>135145403
>RAND
>Objective

RAND has been compromised for decades faggot.

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/06/dangerous_liaisons_rand_corporation_and_americas_national_security.html

>>135145670
Wrong.
You fail at basic logic
They say we do not change stuff until told so (by legal means, as it should be)
Fucking moron, kys

>>135142790
>we don't use this rationale to stop other people from joining.

Every minor health ailment stops other people from joining, you kike shill. If having asthma as a child disqualifies you from service, so should a mental illness that makes you want to cut your dick off then keep the wound open with a glass dildo.

Kill yourself. It'll be far more pleasant than the death we give you on the Day of the Rope.

>>135143146
>DSMV
I will take what is Gender Dysphoria for 500.

send them all to Syria
watch them die
win/win situation

>>135146373
Trump was not drafted for a medical condition. Why is it draft dodging for him, but an injustice to trannies?

Also there are already many other kinds of incompetants in the millitary due to politics, for example, all women

>>135147115
Even one liability is too many

>>135143800
They make other soldiers stomaches turn

>>135145355
Also, I don't want to be in a foxholes while some monster has a gun and a grudge against people with dicks. Recipe for disaster.

His own unit would likely kill him in tough times when it starts ragging on everybody for being whatever it doesn't like.

>>135143163
is it bad that I'd hatefuck the dumpham? she looks soft and vulnerable. i'd love to see her cry

>>135147264
>send them all to Syria
>watch them surrender
>proper people die retrieving them

>>135145695
>NSA baby!
Right, I forgot the NSA isn't technically the military

>>135147264
That would cost to much. Most of these people can't even get out of bed some days they are so depressed.

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OP Btfo

sage

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>>135147016
Kind of funny how you couldn't reply to my earlier response to you.

You're a scumbag. Admit it, you don't give a shit about Trans people, you only use them for your political posturing. You obviously don't give a shit about our young men in uniform either.
Taking a mentally disordered person and allowing them join the armed forces and potentially be subjected to combat is maliciously irresponsible.

>>135143053
The AMA!? Are you retarded? They are all jews.

>RAND study

The person spearheading it is a leftist. The study was contracted by the Obama administration.

If it walks like a duck...

>>135147385
>They make other soldiers stomaches turn

This basically. genital mutilation has that effect as do pill necking social experiments be they junkies or hormone necking lunatics in dresses

>>135147284
No one wants unwell trannies in the military. Strawman

A blanket ban makes no sense when there's already evaluations in place that weed out the sick.

>>135147016

Which generals?

The Obama yes men?

>>135147603
Here's the thing lad. ALL trannies are unwell trannies.
so I totally agree. no one wants unwell trannies in the military.

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sage this thread

>>135147603
Straight up, what percentag of trannies have mild enough dysphoria so that they don't need to take hormones or any other medication?

We need to take it a step farther and ban all Trans surgery operations. Make it illegal. These people need help we need to stop enabling them to make these horrible decisions.

>>135147603
Gender Dysphoria is not compatible with military service. The SECDEF is drafting the policy and it will go into effect.

>>135147541
The AMA caved to political pressure, they didn't want to remove these mental illnesses from the DSM and actually tried to resist the changes before they lost their backbone.

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>>135143983
Fuck yeah! See you guys on October 1st. We bash the fash with our lives!

>>135142790
ill take the b8, why not?

>doesnt cost much of anything
except for the extremely high healthcare bills, constant medication and psychological help for years on end, all in an attempt to stop them from killing themselves, which they do regardless.
>doesnt affect unit cohesion
sure, tell a bunch of god fearing soldiers who have been trained to weed out weakness in their ranks to "tolerate" and "accept" someone who doesnt have the balls to feel comfortable with their own gender
>no medically valid reason for a blanket ban
40% scuicide rate, constant medication required, extreme mental instability and also deteriorating muscle mass due to hormone therapy.
>already have 5000 enlisted
in administration and data handling roles, they are too unstable to be brought onto the field so they stay and do the womans work like the sissies they are.
you are a fucking retard op. gas yourself. saged.

>>135142790
A soldier is just a highly-skilled chimp without a strong moral framework and extremely high personal standards. Transgenderism is a degradation of the soldier and shall not be permitted.

>>135147878
ABSOLUTELY! Trans people are preyed upon by malicious liberals and morally bankrupt and unethical doctors.

>>135147284
> "but I have temporary heel spurs!"
He literally only had one medical one, that he never had in his entire life, they were temporary, the rest were education excuses

>>135144344
I knew it!

What PT test does a tranny take? If I identify as a woman, can I get female PT standards?
Also, who observes the urine stream leaving the body during mandatory unit urinalysis?

>>135147603
They are ALL unwell. It is a disease that requires constant treatment. Which the millitary was even willing to do if they didn't have the liability of having to pay for surgeries and down time, which doesn't even fucking work, but congress blocked them.

>>135144688
Dialysis is just blood letting with fancy machines.

>>135148152
So what? If he was formally excused it's not dodging

>>135147977
And if you actually read the amendment, it says the change was made only to remove the social stigma of being mentally ill, not for any medical reason.

>>135148131
Lefties, with their infinite (((wisdom and tolerance))) have created a new political-subclass who's feelings are purposefully designed to want to tear down the organizing principals of society. The whole situation is both more intentional and more deviant that is often discussed.

>>135142790
Becauae transvestites are mentally ill and dangerous. Kill yourself aids monster

S A G E

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>>135148463
That's why I would wholeheartedly support an Anti-Leftists purge lead by Trans people, Blacks, and Immigrants.

De Oppresso Liber

>>135142790
Why should we spend millions of dollars on a meaningless % of the military, while also forcing all of the military to take shitty tolerance classes.

>>135142790
According to noted social scientist Lady Gaga, they are attempting suicide at around a 45% rate. I can think of reasons why that would be a Bad Thing for military personal.

ALso note that once they are in the military, they can get the government to pay for having their dicks chopped off, which is a popular way to fleece mentally ill people for money in exchange for a "treatment" that does not address their underlying mental health issues.

In his typical Bull in a China Shop fashion, Trump announced this as stupidly as possible -- but in this case he's right.

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For anybody that's actually interested in helping Trans people and others the Left callously uses as social cannon fodder, please refer to this reading list.

Gustave Lebon
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>The Psychology of Peoples

>The Crowd

>The Psychology of Socialism

>The Psychology of Revolution

Commie shit
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>What is to be Done - Lenin

>National Liberation and Socialism - Lenin

>On Guerrilla Warfare - Mao

>Little Red Book - Mao

>United Front -Dimitrov

>The United Front Against Fascism and War - Trotsky

>Revolutionary Armed Struggle - Anonymous (This is the current playbook)

Small Unit Tactics & Warfare
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>The Art of War -Tsu

>The Book of Five Rings -Musashi

>Science, Strategy and War: The Strategic Theory of John Boyd - Osinga

>The Last Hundred Yards: The NCO's Contribution to Warfare - Poole (the publisher restricts this book to military only, but the Marines will sell it to you)

>The Tiger's Way: A U.S. Private's Best Chance for Survival - Poole

>Tactics of the Crescent Moon: Militant Muslim Combat Methods - Poole

>Dragon Days: Time for “Unconventional” Tactics - Poole

>Strategic Rifleman: Key to More Moral Warfare - Poole

>Total Resistance - Von Dach

>SF Unconventional Warfare OPs. -FM 3-05.201

>Army SOF Unconventional Warfare - FM 3-05.130

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>>135146373

> draft dodger telling who can serve and who can't serve
Obama?

>if you ask pol to serve they say, "but kikes!"
taking memes seriously

> won't let MENTALLY STABLE traps serve to die for "kikes"
Nothing says stable like handing over classified docs to wikileaks, mutilating your body, and using the military as a your fetish financier

> all the extra medical costs can just go I to the VA
you have no idea how fucked the VA system is, do you? It's a warning against single payer.

> actually being disgusted by a person in times of war, and not worrying about focusing on the situation
We will likely be at war with Muslims, and trans are dedicated lefties. They will side with kebab before the Nebraska farmboy, and the farmboy knows it.

>>135143396
>So tranny is a made up word with no meaning you use

I believe it was in fact you using it here: >>135143146

>>135142955
So now that trannies are invovled NOW we are starting to care about our vets committing suicide?

20 a day doesn't seem to bother anyone. Why would 1 more a day matter?

>>135148181
>What PT test does a tranny take? If I identify as a woman, can I get female PT standards?
Uniform and PT standards count as male until you officially transition, as determined by a doctor. Then it immediately switches over.

There is no minimum amount of hormones or surgery or anything you need to take.

>>135143053
>The AMA
Right, because they would have no reason to hide certain stats. None. Nada. Zero.

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As a post transition attack helicopter who serves in the United Sates military as an attack helicopter, I wish to condemn President Trump's words in the strongest possible terms.

I also wish to fly around and fire my mighty cannons and rockets at the enemy! Boom@ Boom! Zoooooom! Ratatatataa! Swooosh!

Thank you for your kind attention.

>>135145133
Actually, I believe people with severe ADD or autism can't join the army.
Seems logical, I wouldnt want to give someone that can't listen or act in a normal fashion a rifle.

>>135143800
they need constant care for her hormonal swings and fake dicks and vaginas

>>135142790
Are mentaly ill people able to fight for their homeland to the last breath?

>>135149431
The problem is that trannies cost too much in medical bills. It's bad enough that the female abuse the shit out of the system to get conveniently pregnant before deployment.

>>135144089
>If a veteran suffers from PTSD then gets treatment should they not be allowed to redeployed?
no they should not

>>135142790
>letting trannies into military just so they kys more often

>>135142790
>Why shouldn't transgenders be allowed to serve in the military if they pass all of the normal requirements?
Because if you pass all of the "normal requirements", you aren't a mentally ill tranny. Mental health assessments are part of those requirements you stupid nigger

>>135142790


Because you don't weaken your overall standards to accommodate a minority that no-one wants to serve alongside and which

High standards in the military is literally a matter of life and death--why do you think the feelings of trannies is more important than servicemen's lives? The quality of men in our militaries is dire as it is--if anything we should be moving in the other direction, and making them more elite and specialist--not allowing it to simply be a dumping ground for the rabble.

>>135148422
Yeah, but literally came up with anything to help him not serve. He could have went out to the war, his spurs were temporary.

>>135149180
>they can't help themselves
As if it wasn't enough to have one gender that was helpless and useless.

>>135150038
There was no way to know if they were temporary or for how long

>>135142790
>If they pass all "normal" requirements

One of the normal requirements is not being transgender.

>It doesn't cost much and we don't use this rationale to stop other people

Only, we do use this rationale with asthmatics, diabetics, people with flat feet, [insert 1,000 other instances]

>It doesn't affect unit cohesion

Only it does.

>There's no medically valid reason for a blanket ban

See #1.

>We already have 5,000 enlisted with no problems

Where's your proof there are no problems? Do you see every EO complaint or JAG decision being a civilian? If so I'd like to know how you have that kind of access.

>>135146343
Since OP has gone I'm a few circles here, let's /thread this already.
Anyone whose ability to deploy is disrupted can't join. Simple. It obviously doesn't matter what proportion of the military one class of invalid recruit would make up. If you don't meet standards, you don't meet standards.

Sage

>>135142790
Just watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJLKOSIPhvQ

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>>135150057
A strong man is a pillar that upholds and solidifies the weak.

>>135142790
>Friend in navy has really bad ear infection
>Wants an antibiotic for it
>Medical tells him to walk it off like they did his dislocated shoulder
>"Uhmm like heyyy! I need my penis lopped off and hormone therapy like ASAP KAY? THANKS!"
>military contracts plastic surgeon for way more money because it's a military contract now
>Hormones cost more because they are being ordered for us military and contracting is a bitch if it's not from the inside
>People with normal fucking psyche evals but asthma or perforated ear drums are getting denied but easily triggered Tina gets in because thinking your penis should be a vagina is normalized now
>Navy/airforce/army have long wait list for A+ soldiers but psycho tranny defectors can get in and get their free medical.

It's just transtesticles exploiting the fucking system and our military will be weaker for it

>>135145510
This

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>>135142955
>Because they will fucking kill themselves at shocking rates.
>implying that is not effective military wise

>One of the normal requirements is to not be transgender

Last time I checked US didn't want to employ suicide bombers.. not officially ofc, the whole 9/11 is different story

>>135142790
Fuck transgenders. It is a mental disorder. We don't want them in military

>>135142790
>1. It doesn't cost much of anything at all and we don't use this rationale to stop other people from joining.

It costs a shit load to set up the infistructure to constantly deliver hormones to them in combat that they need.

>3. There's no medically valid reason for a blanket ban

They have a 40%+ suicide rate. They are mentally ill. We absolutely refuse people for so much as a wonky eye or other defects/injury. And mental illness gets you kicked out.

>>135146789
10/10
>>135142790
Why can't we make a dedicated trans force used as the vanguard in all conflicts lol.

It's not about them being transgender in general, it's about them having a mental disability that the military branch doesn't accept because you'd be unfit to serve. How all these trannies got past this mental disability test is beyond me, they shouldn't have been able to join in the first place.

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>>135142790
Honestly, I am quite baffled as to why they were banned from entering all stations of the military.

Like, a good 3/4 of our total military personnel will never see combat. And hell, my grandfather put in 40 years as a graphic designer and draftsman in the Air Force.

I understand the combat argument, but fuck, what is stopping them from being deployed as a Navy cook? Or a Logistics Officer? Is there something I'm missing here? You don't need to be sane to work a mop and broom on a Coast Guard ship.

>>135142955
Wait but don't we want them to kill themselves?

>>135150714
Nice bantz

>>135146373
>mentally stable trannies

Doesn't exist anon. You're talking about unicorns.

>>135142790
They're the most suicidal subset of people in the country, were considered mentally ill until 3 or 4 years ago, and you want to let these people have TANKS?

>>135152146

>Train a soldier for taxpayer money
>He kills himself

Because I'm sick of hearing about them. They should be all put in a camp, including gays.

>>135144093
The average suicide rate among normal people is 4.5%.
The suicide rate among trannies is 45%.
That is TEN TIMES HIGHER.

>All these fucking posts talking about trannies in the context of combat positions

Do you people know what POGs are? You think all the women in the military are out driving tanks?

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>>135142790

Even my libfag friends agree with this choice

The only people that don't are massive SJW antifa faggots and the (((media)))

>>135142790
"Health care costs" doesn't cover it. Someone with a sex change operation literally has to insert a dildo into their open flesh wound regularly and keep it there a while to prevent it from closing itself, causing pain and bleeding, sometimes requiring painkillers or even anaesthesia. How would this work on a forward base in Iraq?

Sure, transgenders can be allowed as long as they keep it all inside their head and don't need to stuff their flesh wounds with dildos to keep it open, but they can already do that just by not mentioning it.

>>135142790
>if they pass all the normal requirements?

Because they don't pass the normal requirements.

>people are already disqualified from service for harming themselves in the past or wanting to harm themselves
>people are already kicked out for undergoing unapproved medical treatments
>people are already disqualified for having various mental illnesses or for certain mental conditions

I'm currently in the military. If I went to my command and told them I don't feel like I belong in my body, they'd send me to behavioral health and I'd eventually get medically discharged. If I told them I wanted to cut parts of myself off, the same thing would happen. And if I popped positive during urinalysis for some kind of unauthorized medical treatment, I'd end up discharged again.

Banning trans* people just treats them the same as everyone else. It'll be fine if they haven't undergone any procedures and don't tell anyone about them being trans*.

Regardless, I don't have to worry about them because they'd never be able to qualify for the submarine fleet.

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>>135157139
what the fuck? this can't be real

>>135142790
Nobody wants to join the military if there are tranny freaks in it. Scaring away all the best lads like that. Nobody wants to be on a team with a tranny freak. NO ONE. Just give it up you fucking freak lovers.
>IT'S OVER, FREAKS LOST, TIME TO STOP