If Muhammad was alive today, would he support ISIS?

>>135127601
He'd be the leader of isis.

>if a fictional character were alive today
What did he mean by this?

>>135127601
No. Muhammed was very progressive in his time. men would bury their daughters alive and they gave them no inheritance, Islam guaranteed inheritance and basic rights for women. if muhammed was alive today he would be a liberal.

>>135128215
Just like jesus, right?

>>135128378
Fuck off cuck

>>135127790
He literally wasn't a fictional character.

>>135128215
True, he was way ahead on the normalization of pedophilia

>>135128215
>he would be a liberal.
frig off Chaim, the prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was white, based, and good looking.

>>135127601
he would wipe out ISIS in 3 minutes

>>135128215
>a child fucking warlord would be a modern day liberal
It checks out.

>>135127601
Of course. He was a fucking warlord as it was. Why WOULDN'T he support ISIS?

>>135127601
Muhammad is alive today. There are 1 billion of them.

isis wouldn't exist if Mohammed never died

>>135127601
Someone would of shot that shitskinned haji if he was alive today

>>135128215
>Muhammed was very progressive in his time. men would bury their daughters alive and they gave them no inheritance
Lol, well shit then. Way to make Muhammed look like a nice guy by comparing him to the average Muslim.

>>135128849
>would of

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>>135127601
This guy got BTFO by Muslims so much the started dreaming about them lmao

Let him go back to the priest that molested him

>would a warchief support his warriors
Hmm made me think

>>135129179
>BTFO by Muslims

??

Unless you mean literally?

I once told someone fundamentalists are the closest you could get to a "pure" religion. That ISIS was the closest you could get to a Muslim fundamentalist, so if one were to looking to become a real Muslim they should consider ISIS and other terrorist groups to be as calid spirtually as any other sect of Islam.

They looked at me like I was insane and I dutifully waited for the Swat van all evening, but it never came. As strange as it is for people to hear, most sects of Islam are very progressive compared to the literal teachings and passages the Quran actually contains. I consider terrorist groups way closer to a "true" Islam, just on the basis they are willing to fight for their beliefs, just like the Quran says to.

>>135129268
I've said the same thing. You can judge a religion by its fundamentalists, because they're the ones doing it properly.

>>135129268
Research by the MI5 suggests the opposite, the terrorists are generally out of touch with the religion.

>>135129539
After 9/11 the terrorists were called fundamentalist muslims.
After we became PC they became "radical"

>>135129539
Or is the religion out of touch with it's roots?

Religions evolve over time. There is no mention of Christmas in the Bible, nor purgatory, nor 99% of the things Catholics believe in. I don't consider people who practice their religion based on these things as being true to their religion. They're being true to their culture. So when the Quran says;

>"And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun(the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"

And you don't practice that, because modern society says it's not ok, I don't believe you're a true Muslim. If you're literal holy book tells you to do something, you had better do it, society be damned (literally).

>>135129904
>fundamentalists
Well the MI5 study totally debunks that. In any case, Muslim terrorists generally practice Wahhabi/Salafism, which are deviations from Sunni Islam.

>>135127601
Considering he lead an army against Mecca, probably.

>>135128215
That's literally bullshit and you know it. Women enjoyed better status before Islam in Arab society.

>>135130155
>Or is the religion out of touch with it's roots?
Sunni Islam is the traditional way to practice the religion and it has been left intact. As for the violence in the Quran, it's always taken out of context: http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/722114

TLDR: the verses commanded the prophet Muhammad (pbuh) to kill his oppressors after his attempts of pacifism did not work.

If only he also writes like this but about the Jews too...

>>135130387
>Wahhabi
"It is an austere form of Islam that insists on a literal interpretation of the Koran."
>Salafism
"The Salafis are a fundamentalist group that seeks to imitate the behavior of early Muslims. "

Seems pretty fundamental to me bro.

>>135130387
>Muslim terrorists generally practice Wahhabi/Salafism, which are deviations from Sunni Islam.
This is what unbelieving scum actually tells itself to make excuses for not following true Islam.

>>135130745
>literal interpretation
The Quran isn't poetry, any pious Sunni Muslim interprets the Quran literally. The difference is that Wahhabis interpret it differently.

>Salafism
They can claim that all they want, but they aren't even considered Sunni among Sunni scholars since they have deviated so much from Sunni Islam.

In any case, every sect in Islam claims to be practicing the religion in it's purest form.

>>135130942
There's nothing wrong with Sunni Islam, Wahhabis/Salafis are just innovators.

>>135131111
Wahhabi is not even a word, it is a pejorative term given to people like you to true followers of Islam. Salafism is just following actual Islam, rather than the version you follow which is a modern cancer on Islam.

>>135131198
Why do Wahhabis and Salafis behave like animals? Frig off pajeet

>>135131330
Why do you keep using Wahhabi as a word when it has no meaning?

>>135130641
>it's always taken out of context:
It's never taken out of context. The Quran literally says to capture and kill your enemies. It has rules on how to allocate slave wives to it's warriors.
>>135130994
>In any case, every sect in Islam claims to be practicing the religion in it's purest form.

And yet one still has to be right. And yet you only see a handfull of "radicals" doing something that is literally spelled out in the Quran.

>>135131382
It's literally a sect.

>>135131386
I'm talking to a wall. The Islamophobe.

>>135127601
>If Muhammad was alive today, would he support ISIS?

No, he'd support Muhammad as universal ruler of the muslim faith.

>>135131463
No, Wahhabi is the slur name for Salafis used by unbelievers.

>>135128725
Fuck. If a man who lived 1400 years ago never died, I'd worship him

>>135131503
Are you a Saudi, an immigrant or a LARPer?

He'd never make it. The Saudi royals would've had him beheaded for trying to overthrow their monarchy.

>>135131463
>It's Islamophobic to read and quote the Quran.

Alrighty.

A narration attributed to Yusair bin Amr reports:

I asked Sahl bin Hunaif, "Did you hear the Prophet saying anything about Al-Khawarij?" He said, "I heard him saying while pointing his hand towards Iraq. "There will appear in it (i.e, Iraq) some people who will recite the Quran but it will not go beyond their throats, and they will go out from (leave) Islam as an arrow darts through the game's body.' "

A narration attributed to Abu Sa‘id al-Khudri reports:

"There will come a people from the east who recite the Quran but it will not go beyond their throats. They will pass through the religion just as an arrow pierces its target and they will not return to it just as the arrow does not return to the bow."

A narration attributed to Abu Dharr reports:

"Allah's Messenger (saws) said: Verily there would arise from my Ummah after me a group (of people) who would recite the Quran, but it would not go beyond their throats, and they would pass clean through their religion just as the arrow passes through the prey, and they would never come back to it. They would be the worst among the creation and the creatures."

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>>135128215
Don't insult my prophet you degenerate.

>>135131920
Khawarij are extinct.

>>135129268
nah. sufi are the most islamic yet they're not fundamentalists

>>135132007
saudi and UAE are neo khawarij

>>135132042
>Sufi are the most Islamic
This is what non-believers actually tell themselves.

>>135132064
>If I don't like it then it is neo khawarij

>>135131463
Liar faggot

>>135132139
so what's the group most in touch with the sacred experience?

>>135132139
saudis are the anal cancer of the muslim/arab world everyone agrees

>>135132253
>All the unbelievers agree that the true believers are bad
Really makes me think...

Muhammed is the poster-child for ISIS like behavior. Some would probably suggest that they are the only Muslims actually following in the image of their ''ideal man''. ( gay )

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_career_of_Muhammad

>>135132253
I agree

>>135132280
>true believers
t.us colony

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>>135127601

Muhammed had a very clear opinion. Death to everyone who fought against Islam. Every Arab had to convert, foreigners conquered could keep their religion but pay higher taxes. Their children would be taken away and raised Muslim though.

Abu Bakr kept this policy and so did the Umayyads. Eventually the Arabs conquered so much territory the majority of their subjects were no longer Muslims and they faced constant uprisings. The Umayyads were overthrown and the Abbasids learned from their mistakes.

They let their subjects keep their old religions, Christianity, Judiasm and Zoroastrian and they could keep their children. But they still had to pay higher taxes.

Of course every few decades, when there was a famine or some other problem the local islamic lords would accuse the local non Muslims of causing it, and they'd all be killed. So eventually everyone was converted to Islam.

Question for posters anyone who knows: did Muhammad write anything about what type of government was best? Would be wipe the map with those crypto- Muslim royalists in KSA, Kuwait, etc?

>>135132280
Pls respond.

>>135132453
>His country does not have a dhimmi state to do its will
Laughing at you

>>135129268
Radical islam is the effect of widespread literacy on Muslims. They can read their own text and interpret it themselves so they go for the most logical explanation.

>>135130994
>every sect in Islam claims to be practicing the religion in it's purest form.
Non-muslims gain nothing by differentiating between "true" muslims and any other type. The only thing that matters is Islam's effect on us.

>>135130641
Ah yes, HuffPo a true source and scholar on Islam. What a joke.

>>135132540
What kind of retarded delusions of grandeur do you have negro? May Allah destroy you, truly.

>>135132518

Religious Monarchy

So the local "Preist" was also the local Lord. They would have the final say in everything to do with Law and Religion.

Apart from that very similar to Feudalism. Positions of power were inherited, but instead of going from a Lord to his son, it would go to his Brother or Uncle if he had one. Whoever was older.

It meant that rulers were more likely to be experienced compared to European lords. But they'd obviously die sooner, so rulers wouldn't be able to implement wide scale reforms or wage long wars successfully unless they got lucky and inherited young.

>>135132839
American leaders bow to our King, USA is a servant nation to us.

>>135132457
>foreigners conquered could keep their religion but pay higher taxes
First, Jizya was lower than Zakat, that msulims paid. Also paying Jizya exempted non-muslims from being drafted in case of war, which wasn't the case for muslims.
>Their children would be taken away and raised Muslim though.
said no historical source ever
>Of course every few decades, when there was a famine or some other problem the local islamic lords would accuse the local non Muslims of causing it, and they'd all be killed. So eventually everyone was converted to Islam.
Nice fantasy. A shame it doesn't explain why pagans, Zoroastrians, Christians and Jews still existed a millenium and a half after Islam with their temples intact.

>>135132518
He crated in a mini-state in Media, you can look up its constitution.

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>>135132905
>USA is a servant nation to us.

>>135132905
>Oil Miners are getting uppity again.

>>135133024
>>135133032
Look at how the truth makes you cry.

>>135132786
>anti-islam fedora says shit about Islam
>based ! at last I truly see...
>lefty newspaper publishes pro-Islam shit
>discarded on the basis it's not an islamic source
poltard """"logic"""

>>135132905
>this is what Saudis actually believe
kek

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>>135127601
if muhammad was alive today he'd be busy attending the new breeds of livestock

He would be the face of the pedosexual movement

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>>135128215
>basic

>>135133113
The united states are milking your taghut monarchy and the holy land's resources, they sell you their lower tier equipment that you cant even put to any good use or make something similar. You are absolute garbage, the more time the muslims of the arabian peninsula stay stagnant the bigger your coming humiliation will be at the hands of the kuffar and yourselves.

>>135133261
>>135133639
Show your flags, bet you are Turks.

>>135133682
all meme flags are roaches, leafs, poos, cucks (germany/sweden), or high schooler americans

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>>135133682
Both a madkhali and a nationalist? Interesting

>>135133336
KEK

>>>>135133882
fuck off roach, leaf, poo, cuck, or high schooler. take your pic

>>135133882
You're talking about KSA so it is right I should talk about your nation.

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>>135127601
Absolutely, without a doubt.

>>135134222
autism

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>>135127601

Isis represents the purest form of Islam. It's distilled to its fundamentals.

Anything other than Isis is hypocrisy.

So yes he would not only be part of it he would lead it.

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>>135134719
>anglo
considering you BEADY fucks invented wahabism and funded al s*ud your comment makes sense

>>135134337
>Muhammad
>writes
American education strikes again I see.

>>135134719
t. Quran scholar

>>135134935
Britain supported the Hashemites in Hajez against al-Saud.

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>>135127601
>1 pots by this ID

STOP BEING FAGGOTS, SAGE AND REPORT

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>>135134895
>>135134992
>>135135018

>>135134895
Did this retard pee on his fucking bed ? Ugh, you guys have issues.

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>>135135122
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>>135135122
r-rude
I think it's best to respect the dead

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>>135135393
>implying i give a shit about dead soldiers
try harder, slime

>>135128540
Atheists believe everything written in books are fictional

>>135127790
How stupid are you?

>>135134986
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb5wHGlZw1I

>>135127662
This. It would also be much bigger than a small terrorist organization. It would be a conquering army.

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>>135134404

That little dance at the end always gets me.

>>135135421
>respect invaders
cuck

>>135127601
It's basically said in the quran that muhammad, aids be upon him. Is the perfect human being, and the only they should imitate. Muhammad my friend is all over here

>>135128550
kek

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>>135135545
>>135135727

>>135135671
He doesn't want blood to splatter on his flowing white robes

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>Note before i write this long ass post: be civilized ITT, do not use any logical fallacies and especially no ad hominems, i will ignore you if you spout random shit like that (in other words, give me a fucking argument)

First thing is, if you know jack and shit about islam (like literally 99% of people on /pol/) and your only sources of information about it are extremely opposed bias to it, STOP talking about it like you've researched it for a thousand years, that's like hastily grabbing random bias from an atheist zuccbook page and using it to insult christians or vice versa

Second, people calling ISIS "the purest form of islam" and "muhammed would've joined ISIS" is pure bullshit and i'm going to explain why

ISIS, just like it's , has always, and will always be a fucking US government and kike tool
Remember when The muj were created by the CIA in the cold war to fight off the soviets?
Remember when western newspapers wrote about bin laden positively like he was some kind of hero?
Remember when Obongo was caught funding ISIS and Al Nusra niggers in syria?
Remember when Israel gave medical support to Al qaeda fighters in 2014?

Oh boy, it's like they have a secret agenda by using islamic extremism ESPECIALLY in the middle east (Tell me, why doesn't the western media cover the insurgencies in south east asia?)

Remember when the Saudi/Qatari monarchy were caught helping Wahhabi extremists?

TLdr 1 ISIS does not give a shit about muslims or islamic conquest or anything, they're just kike tools, My guesses that if they were never created and funded by the kikes, "islamic extremism" would be very very limited to some ethnic clashes, very miniscule.

cont

>>135135473
are you stupid?

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>>135136379
>Now to the historical side of this
Wahhabism (mother of all fucks), as created by ibn-abd-al-wahhab (may he get raped by a million horny demons in hell)
This ""scholar""" was considered a clown by every other scholar who had a brain

He uses an extreme type of olympic tier mental-gymnastics,
And of course, this entire wahhabi ordeal was going to end fast, BUT, this nigger happened to be a friend of the Saudi royal family, which is why wahhabism is so rampant in Saudi arabia, because it's promoted by the fucking government

Tldr 2: some nigger had retarded ideas and everybody ignored him until the saudi royal family promoted and enforced his ideas

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>>135136379
>>135136526

>>135127601

Probably not. He would definitely be closer to them than he would be to "moderate Muslims" though.

>>135136526
Now to the religious side of this

Oh no, somebody pulled the infamous "violent verses of da quran" dun dun duuuun, but like the retard he is, He just copypastes from thereligionofpeace.com without checking his info

in other words, before you start copy pasting and claiming victory, grab the verse you're pasting and read it's whole sura, you'll realize your retardation

Now as for the hadiths, Any hadith that isn't classified "mutawateer" is to be considered unauthentic (in fact many Zoroastrian and pagan fabrications, miscarriages made it to the sahih books)

>>135136894
Bravo, post quality right here, you're a good example of a good poster

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>>135128215
Muhammad would be a SJW... interesting insight hahahaha

>>135128215
>he would be a liberal.
lmfao good one paki. No he would join the group using his standard and ideology to a T.

>>135137548
To be quite honest in his time, Muhammed was the ultimate SJW.

Preislamic arabia was
>EXTREMELY Racist to niggers
>hate women and females to the point where having a daughter is a disgrace
>tribal fighting 24/7 because "my pagan god > your pagan god" or "my ethnic type > your ethnic type"

So when muhammed gained enough power over mecca, he was practically "uhhm, racist and sexist much?!? keep that up and i'll deport you out of mecca"
And everybody fell in line. the end

>>135128215
> liberal
> hypocrisy
> taqiyya
checks out

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>>135138814

>>135127601
No, he would never tolerate such bleeding heart liberal muslims.

>>135127601
Definitely.
ISIS members are true muslims.

>>135138814
SJW ruin everything

>>135135727
Not while they're alive, but after they're dead. Muhammad respected his ennemies' corpses, retard. He even respected their prisonners.
>le cuck xD
machism won't get you anywhere, just look at the state of our countries.

>>135136379
>Remember when Obongo was caught funding ISIS and Al Nusra niggers in syria?
What do you mean caught ? He literally praised them, called them "moderate rebels", shilled against Assad and admitted funding and training them because muh democracy.

I think the only argument one needs to refute the "Islam = ISIS" is that Islam strictly prohibits infighting among muslims. Muhammad would've went nuts if he saw Muslims fights among themselves.
Maybe if ISIS only killed non-muslims, maybe the case COULD have been made that ISIS is not entirely non-islamic, but most of their victims are fucking muslims. How retarded one has to be to call a group that revolves around killing muslims "the purest form of islam" ? Summer needs to end already.

>>135127790
>widely documented historical figure after whom an entire empire was created
>hurrr durrr he never existed!

>>135131840
Someone gets it

>>135138814
yep. according to a movie muhammad was sjw. He was helping literal slaves and other rejects. Because when you believe in Allah, you are all the same. And if you don't, you, the rulers, are now the scum.

>we literally have a saudi wahabbist on /pol/
I think he's just roleplaying

>>135141162
>lol u tk him 2da bar?
reported for underage, go back to facebook

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>>135131463
>>135131382
>>135131503
>>135130994
>>135130942
>>135131111
>>135130641
>>135129539
>>135129179
Sandnigger wasting each other while the rest of the world laughs, just like in real life!

>>135127790
>fictional character
Mohammed is not fictional you mongoloid

>>135128215
>if muhammed was alive today he would be a liberal.
lol. not even moderate Muslims are liberals.

>>135141505
>pastanigger thinks he is relevant

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>>135141490
BENUS

but i dont have a faecbook :( cause 'underaged'

>>135141938
Why do you paste that guy's photo? He is neither violent nor a immigrant.

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>>135140727
>>135141490
>>135141916
>>135142175

>>135130155
>catholics
Fake Christians who will burn in hell

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>>135142175
i think he's a symbol, i do

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>>135142175

Just a question - what does ISIS do that the prophet and the sahaba didint?

>>135142332
That guy's story is actually sad. He is a pacifist and has never committed a violent act. He is neither a immigrant but /pol/ uses his photo as le islamic boogeyman just like the left does with hitler

>>135142515
They're different, the le islamic boogeyman guy is from my town

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>>135127601
PEDO SANDNIGGER FROM 1500 YEARS AGO IS IRRELEVANT! BIGGER FISH TO FRY! PIC RELATED! SPREAD IT AROUND LIKE WILD FIRE!

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>>135142921
show him this

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>>135142736
its very numbing 2 me when his brothers do exactly what that picture says; he is a minority; but i dont really know it. it sounds like more of a humanity's-plight story, but i think Christians experience more prejudice in countries outside their own rather then vice-versa -- so my emotion is bent/prioritized towards them

>>135140727
same, I'm betting on yet another fedora Saudi that false flags
I've met so fucking many of them...

>>135142669
Kill Muslims, Christians and innocent people in general
>lie, they rape, don't even get me started on the drugs ISIS and """islamist""" terrorist use in happenings
>have a creepy passion for gore and bloodshed, they execute prisonners, they kill outside of battles
>NEVER negotiate for peace and sign treaties
>promise to conquer lands that don't belong to them
>consider anyone that doesn't follow them a kafir
>stone cheating women
>take non-believers are allies/protectors against believers
>proclaim that they are caliphate
All these go against either Quran, sunna or both.

>>135143632
>what someone in middle east does makes you think bad about someone in indian sub continent
So this is the power of thinking.

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>>135144028

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>>135144028

i was talking about islam & telling u why islamophobia is extremely logical: because they're a bunch of violent incoherent animals

>>135144482
Do you think i give a fucking shit about what a burger thinks about Islam? I was talking about the guy who /pol/ demonizes without any reason just like the left does with right wing and does not see the hypocrisy of it.

>>135142736
>>135142921
really ? tell me more pls

>>135144482
>ad hominem = logic
stop blowing me away like this, my primitive mind can only take so much enlightenment before melting down

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>>135144730
(u mean the picture i posted?) they dont, its just a symbol, lmao

>>135142936
The fuck? This real?

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>>135144730
>>135144853

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>>135144853
wana talk about how when an extremest Christian knocks on my door, he tells me ill burn in hell in contrast 2 when a extremest islamist knocks on my door, he kills me

>>135128540
There's no evidence of him from the time of his life.
A few historians have come to the concluion that he was made up by a later king.

>>135144921
>>135144853
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakeel_Ahmad_Bhat

>>135145167
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord%27s_Resistance_Army
Really made me think

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No he would make a chaliphate and fight isis and whover fights his umma muslim community but allways refer mercy and peace to war if possible and fight for his people and religion.Isis and taliban make war with each other and isis makes chlidren go to war not soo islamic as u can see

>>135145189
Just stop youre talking out your ass the historical figure of Muhammad probarly existed but the koranic one is emblished for sure. This is silly its almost impossible to prove anyone existed in history without alot of hard factual evidence and theres no guarentee youre getting an accurate representation of said figure

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>>135145207
>>135145356

>>135145189
There is his grave and grave of his sahaba companions too in saudi arabia

>>135145356
Niggas ruin everything what is your point

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>>135145356
https://youtu.be/6gMQWdbcEmU

>>135145974
>keeps on moving goalposts
Kk dear

>>135127790
>know your enemy
Go to school you fucking idiot.

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>>135146393
i think i proved my point, cya, bro
https://youtu.be/-3c2zQmF2uw

>>135127601
From what i understand Mohammed and his bros were actually softies compared to other 7th century shit, that's why conquest was so easy, christian Egypt literally surrendered without a fight. ~Century later casual muslim oppression started.

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>>135145167
Then why are you still alive, and moore importantly, pathetically trying to draw attention with your middle school-tier baits ?

>>135145189
I didn't need my sides anyway

>>135145189
>there's no evidence

Except his massive fucking empire and islam itself but ok

>>135145661
>the historical figure of Muhammad probarly existed but the koranic one is emblished for sure
Care to give a few examples ? I'm really curious to see what constitutes an embellishment in your head, as opposed to, supposedly, historical evidence.

Mohammed was black so he'd probably feel more at home with the nation of islam than isis

>>135145207
>pacifist
An angry pacifist then. Why does he like to scream and protest so much ?
>what the police did to his sister
I would've burned the fucking police station to the ground.

>His picture has also been printed on T-shirts, posters, mouse-pads, and beer mugs.[1][2]
willing to bet he didn't recieve a single dime

>be wh*te capitalist pig
>steal foreign cultures
>steal ressources
>use people's images for profit and don't pay them
>if one of them dares to illegally download an mp3 file, send them to prison
And they have the audacity to run their mouth about long dead people. Unbelievable.

Richard Fucking Dawkins

still rocking

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>>135127601
If Mohammad was alive today he would be on trail at the Hague for Crimes Against Humanity.
>Genocide
>Pedophilia
>Sodomy of a minor
>Slave trading
>Sexual slavery
>Assassination (including women)
>Witness intimidation
>Rape
>Banditry
I'm sure I forgot a couple dozen.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/jesus-muhammad.aspx