Proof that the transgender military ban is based entirely on bigotry.

>>135078153
>other frivolous expenses exist therefore this frivolous expense is ok

>Obviously if you're against this frivolous expense then you're for all the other frivolous expenses.

>>135078153

We should just get rid of both anyway.

>>135078153
Cost/patient please

>>135078153
Good job, he found another waste of tax money.

I wish someone would do that in Sweden.

>>135078153
>0.1% of the military that is transgendered is using 10% of the cost of Viagra for the normal people.

>>135078153
Cost of not having degenerate trannies in the military; $0.00

>>135078153
Wow, so the small subset that makes up transgenders in the military costs that much fucking money, that's a lot compared to the other 2 million.

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>>135078153
>more men in the military
>trans who are a percentage within a percentage even outside the military are using 10% of what the larger pool does

>>135078304
How fucking retarded are the users on this board?

He's not saying its ok, he's saying the idea that its money the country cannot afford is a lie. You cucks will literally defend ANYTHING.

>Trump tweets covfefe
>the people that need to know what he meant know

>>135078153
where do they even get these retarded numbers? that surgery costs like 200 grand per patient, easy.

>>135078153
The military doesn't dispense ED medication, what kind of stupid ass bullshit are you pushing?

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>>135078153
(((Mike Levin)))

What a surprise

>>135078153
erectile dysfunction is an actual medical condition though

trannies are just mentally ill

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(((Levin)))

So they want to cut viagra pills at the VA for veterans who can't get it up anymore for physical or psychological reasons due to war?

They act like they pay for Viagra for healthy soldiers just because

>>135078153
If you get rid of TG, ED will also decrease. $ savings all around.

>>135078153
2 dozen trannies vs 1 million vets on viagra

>>135078153
Why do people in the military need ED meds? Do they get bored in the middle of combat and start raping each other?

>>135078153
Thanks for bringing this up. Let's get rid of viagra too.

>>135078734

This.

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>>135078153
Lets just add more useless expenses for grunts.
You are a soldier you are not male you are not female you are not an attack helicopter or mayonnaise you are a soldier. If you need money to change your bits the military should not pay for that.

>>135078153
>2.4 mil / 4200 trannies = $571 per person
>84 mil / 1.2 mil men = $70 per person
I'm calling bullshit on his numbers, ED pills aren't that expensive. Complicated medical procedures involving carving your genitalia into different shapes without killing your patient, on the other hand, is probably more expensive than he's saying.

>>135078153
I prefer it being about bigotry than about money desu

>>135078871
This.

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How can it only be 2.4m when, yesterday, they were claiming 15,000 active service trannies?

>>135078153
>what is price per capita
retards

>>135078153
I'm ok with that stat.

>>135079368
>implying every tranny undergoes operation
>implying every man in the military is given pills
jesus fuck anon

Cost of Zyklon B to treat tranny illness $45/kg. Proven 100% effective at alleviating symptoms.

>>135078153
Apples and oranges

One treatment precludes reproduction.
One treatment enables reproduction.

One disables already ill people.
One enables otherwise OK people.

Its like comparing a practice of deliberate breaking of bones, to splint and casting broken bones.

>>135079368
yep. also they'd all flock to the military (already have been) because hey, pay for cosmetic surgery on my junk.

see my earlier comment though. surgery like that costs hundreds of thousands of dollars.

So why don't they let in people with asthma?

Its about support in a combat location. Erectile dysfunction doesn't get sent overseas (unless I am mistaken, I have been out for awhile). I believe those costs are for home side, PTSD, retirees, or something like that. Yeah leaking wounds were your penis used to be is tough to take care of when your in trench for weeks at a time.

>>135079058
No. Any retard with a smidge of deductive reasoning and reading comprehension could see covfefe was a typo of coverage. Are you that fucking dense?

>>135079058
>other frivolous expenses exist therefore this frivolous expense is ok

>>135079088

That'd make 10 trannies ~2mil a year. Man, imagine if they made up a larger part of the military, like openly recruiting them, would?

This is also ignoring their obvious mental health issues and incredibly high suicide rates, neither of which the VA cares about, to an infamous degree.

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>>135078153
Now do the math per soldier.

>>135078153
>>135078734
/thread

I think they prescribe it for high Bp and hypertension as well, I know in the case of viagra it has a different brand name for those uses though

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>>135079052
This

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>>135078153
Boners are need for procreation. Trannies aren't needed for anything.

>>135079058
"covfefe": "in the end we win"

How Jewish do you have to be that your only reasons to argue in favor of trannies in the military is money.

The US military is not a YMCA!!!

Military men reproducing leads to a stronger nation.
Faggots becoming bigger faggots leads to a weaker country,

Makes a lot of sense to me.

Reminder that viagra/ Cialis are an effective treatment for high blood pressure and pulmonary hypertension

>>135078153
Something tells me there's a hell of a lot more old, salty NCO's and officers that can't get boners than there are trannies.

>>135078153
We shouldn't be funding penis pills either. Cut those costs too.

Also it was done because there was a bill going through that had a bunch of shit in it, including funding for The Wall, and the Pentagon types wanted the shit about funding tranny surgery out of the bill or else they wouldn't vote for it so Trump dropped the trannies.

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why do soldiers in war zones need erection medication?

>>135078153
>1% of population would cost 10%
Fuuuuuck, those are some expensive "war wounds".

>>135078153
beware the jew and his fake numbers. there is no way in hell erectile dysfunction costs anywhere near as much to treat as transgender genital mutilation and maintenance.

>>135079602
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dStts1kFrNU
AHAHAHAHAH fuck off, you cucked neet

>>135079618
>doesn't understand OP and reply to his post
>decides to repeat himself
compelling argument

>>135078153
do you have a single fact to back that up? .jpg

>>135079666
This this this.
Viagra is not only an ED med. My dad takes it for hypertension and has never had issues getting a boner

Erectile dysfunction doesn’t prevent soldiers from deploying. Recovering from intensive surgeries and using hormones does. For every one of these 15,000 trans soldiers that is on recovery for surgery, someone else has to cover down and do their job while they collect a paycheck for doing fucking nothing. They are a drain on the defense budget that could be spent on healthy able bodied people willing to fight full time.

>>135078153
>(((Levin)))
Every damn time

>>135080093
>you can afford to waste your money therefore you should
>other frivolous expenses exist therefore this frivolous expense is ok

>>135079543
If they don't go through the transition they can just not talk about it. But they are mentally ill and it's their entire identity.

>>135078153
Erectile dysfunction is a real issue that needs treatment so that fine men of the army can reproduce. Unlike allowing mentally ill freaks to continue their delusions.

Aside from the fact this guy is comparing apples to oranges, there is a lot more to the cost of trannies in the military than just their treatment.
You have to take the time and money to train all of your soldiers on how to deal with these freaks. You have to deal with all the internal legal proceedings when those soldiers fail to live up to your fairy-tale expectations of interaction. You have to create new supply lines and living quarters for these trannies because you're not going to have trannies and cis people bunking together. They're going to need their own bathrooms and SOP and a slew of other bureaucratic stuff made JUST for them.
The military isn't made to accept your delusions of reality. It's made to force feed you the truth, mold you to be exactly like every other soldier, and then go die for Israel.

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>>135078153
>wanting mentally ill people in the army that are at a biological disadvantage to men no matter which way they transition
>thinks it's ok because the cost is relatively low

>>135078153
What's the ratio of men and transgenders in the military?

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>>135080093
The small group of people being: people with reading comprehension and deductive skills. Which you apparently lack. As in: my cum gave adequate covfefe to your moms face last week. Tell her I'm sorry I didn't call her back.

>>135079058
lol No, I think it's pretty clear most people think mentally ill people shouldn't have access to military weapons, it's ALSO a waste of money. But people with diabetes can't join the military because they may not be able to serve without medication. Trans people are mentally ill and rely on heavy doses of hormones to keep it together. Not to mention that many just join to get the free transition surgery, eliminating 1/3rd of the service they are being paid for and swore a duty to carry out. So we pay them their salary to do a job they aren't going to do 1/3rd of the time while we pay for a treatment that isn't going to help them, that studies show most trans people regret every actually doing and getting mad at the doctors for not recognizing they were mentally ill and actually allowing them to go through with it.


Trans people need mental help and have no place in the military and should not be encouraged to attempt to switch sexes physically... period. Anyone encouraging this behavior is probably mentally ill themselves and should be evaluated and probably sterilized.


Fun Fact: your chromosomes define your sex... not your imagination.

>>135079955
No I support penis pills. People don't realize how traumatizing it is for a guy to not having a working dick. Stress from war can cause this, the government should make sure their men can carry on happy lives after service.

>>135078304
maybe the point is we should be looking at the logs before the straws?

They don't want to join the military to serve their country. They want to join the military because they think it will be fun.

>>135078153
>Soldiers producing more soldiers isn't important for the military

>>135079543
This.

>18yo straight out of highschool on viagra
If you need Viagra and you're still in the military, you're probably an officer and can afford dick up pills. Medical shouldn't cover superfluous shit. Give my taxes to the dude who's legs got blown off.
Trannies can always fuck off.

>>135079989
It's shit they cover for vets when they are back home

>>135078153
Who gives a fuck?! Some idiot said there was 15,000 trannies in the US military.....that is complete bullshit.....

And yes, No taxpayer should pay for anyone's viagra.....also, I shouldn't have to pay for anyones abortion and the government has no business regulating marriage of any type......

Deep state, establishment have completely gone outside of what government was ever meant to do....the NEA, the dept of education, the dept of commerce, the department of housing and urban development, the ATF all need to go away now....health care, you say? Fuck no....no one is "entitled" to shit......

>>135078153
You don't feel impotent; You ARE impotent.

>>135080268
>whats your excuse for this blatant discrimination
>hurr durr its MILLIONS going to waste!! we cant afford this!!
>shit like this exists

Sounds to me like the issue isn't the money, its just you being a dumbass. He isn't supporting the spending on either side, he's calling you out on your obvious lies. Keep repeating yourself though, surely at some point there will be some kind of argument buildup.

>>135079297

ED meds presumably enable a man to have sexual intercourse with a woman and get her pregnant. That leads to a child who very likely grows up invested in the nation as a patriotic citizen. If you cannot see the jarring difference between an erectile dysfunction medication that allows for procreation and a transgender sex reassignment/hormone therapy you are probably a fucking retard. One expenditure is an investment in the future for the government while the other is simply a frivolous expenditure. You Fucking low IQ niggers can't reason.

>>135078153
>based on bigotry
I don't give a fuck. Wish we would have started gassing them.

So the "thousands" of transgender troops narrative is a lie?

>>135079593
This. Johnny red isn't going to stop shelling you so you can strech out your fake Vagina three times a day or change your bleeding pad for something you CHOSE to have done to you.

>>135079297
ED is a common symptom of PTSD. Plus if your trying to fleece the system when you get out, PTSD related ED is like an auto 30% disability rating. And no one can say you don't have it

>>135078153
>this expenditure validates a mental disorder
>this expenditure treats an actual medical condition

When do we gas these retards???

>>135080594
>straight to my "dank memes"
The absolute state of Trump supporters lmao

daily reminder that Trumps biggest enemy is himself, consistently contradicting himself

>>135080510
Irrelevant when the complaint was the 'unsustainable cost'.

I teared up when I got the BBC notification about this on my phone. I'm not trans, nor do I know anyone who is... but this shit broke my heart. To any trans folks out there. I am so sorry.
I don't understand how people don't see past this, past him. Anyone with a slight bit of sense can see he's using this as a way to focus our attention away from the investigations. I don't understand why or how people can justify telling a group of people that they are less than the rest of us based on trivial shit. We all bleed red. We all cry tears. We're all born to this world without any say. We all breathe the same air. How can you justify telling a group of people "You're life is not worthy of being given the honor to represent your country."
Edit: To add an explanation as to what upset me. In short... I don't understand and it frustrates me.

>>135078153
>conveniently forgetting that only 15,000 make up that enormous cost

>>135078153
Twitter is doing our jobs for us with these (((checkmarks)))

>>135080893
Both expenditures treat an actual medical condition.

>>135080739
>military officials deem Viagra something useful and needed
>they also deem trannies being in the military something unnecessary
>I should listen to the random Twitter retard that brought up statistics with no sources and a retard posting with a Confederate flag to be ironic
Lmao

>>135078734
I never thought of this before, but it makes so much sense. We need the facts!

>>135078734
best post

>>135078867
>>135079052
THESE

>>135079058
STFU RETARD

>>135078153
what they don't say is a large number of ED drug recipients are prostate cancer survivors.

>>135078734
holy fucking shit this
15,000 people are costing us 8 million per year? What the fuck is that bullshit

>>135078153
trannies were costing a shitton more per soldier than middle aged men were.

>>135080639
Fine, but nobody should be autistically screeching because we're picking up straws, especially when doing so apparantly is as simple as Trump saying "no".

>>135080739
>He isn't supporting the spending on either side
I'm supporting cutting it on both sides, retard. Your argument only works in the context of me being Levin. Therefore, my argument is:
>other frivolous expenses exist therefore this frivolous expense is ok

>>135081100
>a sex change is a valid medical condition
It's ELECTIVE surgery

>>135081004
Lel is this from Reddit, I don't even want to know the shitstorm that's probably going on there.

>>135078153
You cant serve in the military if you have a mental
disorder period. That's been a thing since forever.

>>135081249
For some it's a necessary surgery to treat GID.

>>135081126
>he stopped repeating himself
>WHERE ARE MY SOURCES
Nice change in attitude, sounds like you finally understood the entire situation. I'll give you some advice, next time don't say anything until you know whats going on, it makes you look stupid.

I'm not listening to anyone, I have my own personal views, but I am happy to help you dumbfucks understand simple arguments. It betters the world.

>>135078153
Sounds like BS. This >>135078734

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>$2.4M-$8.4M/year

... Per person

>$84M/year

...altogether.

>>135081336
Made-up pop-psychology bull-shit.

>>135078734
>>135079337
>>135079660
>>135081147
>>135081223
>>135081405

Alright. Let's look at the numbers.
There are approximately 1,200,000 soldiers.
2,450 of those are trans, which comes down to 0.2%. Women make up about 14.5%.
So we have:
>85.3% male
>14.5% female
>0.2% trans

Now, keep in mind that about 1 in 4 men suffer from ED of some sort. So about 1/4th of 1,023,600 military men suffer from ED, so about 255,900 men.

Ok, assuming this guy's numbers are correct:
84,000,000 per year comes down to:
84,000,000 / 255,900 = 328 USD.
So 328 USD per year per soldier suffering from ED.

Now let's do the same for trans people:
2,400,000 - 8,400,000 per year comes down to:
2,400,000 / 2,450 = 980 USD
8,400,000 / 2,450 = 3430 USD

So summarized:
It's about 3-10.5 times more expensive to have a trans person enlist compared to a male with an ED.


Note: my numbers could be off.

>>135078153
of course it the Commiefornia fag complaining about Jewish interests not being fulfilled

>>135078153
Anyone want to tweet that kike the cost of federal funding for Holocaust Museums... Yes, they are federally funded...

>>135078153
Like leftists care how much things cost.

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>>135080929
Nigger. Listen to yourself. Are you GENUINELY serious about having our tax dollars pay for a surgery, for mentally ill people, in the military? For each one of these mentally ill cunts we throw out, that is one more 20 something who is healthy, sound of mind and doesn't need to stretch their frankenpussy out daily just to maintain battle readiness. Its called the tip of the spear for a reason and none of it has to do with accepting other peoples mental illness as "stunning and brave" let alone something as simple as "fit for duty"

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>>135081403
>he stopped repeating himself
>he
That wasn't who was replying to you. This board has IDs newfag. Is matching up colors too hard of a task?

>>135078153

Transgender is a choice. Erectile dysfunction is not.

>>135081403
>he's so fresh off the boat and retarded he can't read IDs
Lmao come back when you can read

>>135081336
>treat gender identity disorder
>disorder
It doesn't solve the problem. They still have a suicide rate that is 5x as high as a normal person even after the sugery. It's higher than people with actual PTSD from warzones.

>>135078153
>bigger number vs. smaller number
>how is this fair

liberals are fucking retarded

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>>135078153
Stop the demagoguery you stupid fucking faggot

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>>135078153
(((Levin)))

OP is sitting there laughing, you will be a lampshade soon enough.

>>135078153
Sounds like a gay

>>135078734
5/5

>>135080777
I see the difference, but when I read the tweet it makes it sound like they're using ED meds while still enlisted, which seems dumb as they shouldn't be having sex in the first place. Does the military still pay for their meds after being discharged? Obviously I don't get how military shit works.

>>135078153
>(((Levin)))

>>135081519
Not only is this 100% correct, you didnt even fucking add the number of Marines, Airmen, and seamen in your calculations

>>135081336
To treat? More like to enable.

>>135081519
Does someone with ED have horrible withdrawals when they don't get their pills?

>>135078153
>friendly reminder ED pills are prescribed for blood pressure issues

>>135081334
Many medical conditions are barred from joining the military. I'm not sure why GID was any different, but if Trump should have said it was for medical reasons rather than using cost.
>>135081456
It's been a part of the DSM since the third edition in 1980. It's not made up pop bull-shit as much as you'd like it to be.
>>135081664
Is it a choice? DSM V would like to say otherwise.
>>135081671
The study you're talking about is one from years ago that focused on a crowd of older trans people. More modern suicide rates have improved thanks to better acceptance and treatment methods.
It's still not something that should be allowed in the military except in special cases, though.

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It can cost up to $232,130.00 for 1 full work up on a person. This cost does not reflect an entire life time of medications and hormones. The cost is listed at a 3 year rate for the applicable drugs/hormones.

Pfizer's patent on Viagra is going to expire in 2017, which will open the market to generic version of the drug at a significantly reduced cost. To use this as a medication is a total red herring and not the point of what Dr. Trump said.

There are 1,429,036 active duty members in the military, of that number 199,302 are women and 1,229,734 are men. If every single male in the military needed Viagra at cost listed on Good-Pills.com each pill costs 0.27. So a full 365 yearly supply would cost $98.55 per person. So if EVERY male in the military took Viagra every day it would cost the military $121,190,285.70. (of course we all know this is ridiculous.)

However if you extrapolate the current transgender population as a percent, which is 0.03%, of the US population you end up with 42,871 enlisted transgender people. Multiply that by the cost mentioned earlier and you have a total cost of $9,951,663,800.40, of course excluding the lifetime cost of drugs and hormones past the first 3 years.

To say that Viagra costs more is absolutely insane.

>>135080139
You know too much about your father's dick

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>>135078153
Erectial Dysfunction isn't a mental illness.

>>135078153
I think Trump wants to protect innocent, pure Trans people from the horrors of war and conflict.

>>135081519
Thanks. People like you make this board is great.

>>135081918
>Airmen

seamen hahah

>>135081805
Yes unless you are thrown out, you still get medical. Ever heard of the VA?

>>135078153
>100 transgenders join the military
>240 million to 840 million for people with a 50/50 rate of trying to kill themselves, minus "muh harassment pls discharge"
>average soldier armament is 17,500$


Oh boy, sure sounds like a great fucking idea there. Now the military gets to decide if they want to have equipment for 140 soldiers, or pay for one soldier's dick removal surgery.

>>135081918
He added the seamen; it's listed under "trans"

>1 post by this ID

saged

>>135078153
You need men in your military so the dick pills are just an expensive you have to take. You don't need to be humoring the mentally ill.

Further, if trans people are .01% of the population that still means they're ten times more expensive to have in your military than a mentally healthy individual with dick problems.

>>135081918
Yeah I had a hard time finding numbers.
If someone can give me some more complete numbers with a source I'll gladly recalculate.

>>135078153
I'm ok with boner pills, I don't want to spend a dime on mentally deficient faggots.

>>135081928
Transition is currently he most effective method of treating GID. If there were other methods that worked you'd know about them and more people would be taking them.

>>135079052
This didn't even occur to me

Good fucking catch

>>135078153
Literally who?

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>>135078153
>Dick doesn't work right
>Literal insanity
>These things are comparable
WEW

>>135082020

Wouldn't surprise me if Erectile dysfunction wasn't the result from the military secretly putting saltpeter back into the food again. It's a double win for corporations. Saltpeter manufacturer and Erectile dysfunction pharma.

>>135081664
I think part of the problem is that an honest discussion about the merits of transgender service cant happen until people stop choosing to get shit wrong on purpose. Gender dysphoria is an absolute, verifiable, fact. The military transgender policy that was in effect didn't pay for the actual sex change operations, it just made being diagnosed with gender dysphoria something that you wouldn't be put out for.

>>135079406
Not every transgender person in the military undergoes reassignment surgery paid for by DoD.

>>135082159
Calling transition treatment for GID would be like calling smoking treatment for lung cancer.

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>>135082090
I keked

>>135081934
Great point.
This is just a retarded argument by that faggot all together.
A trans soldier equals 3-10 men with an ED costwise.
How is this acceptable?

>>135078153
comparing trans therapy or whatever to a disease caused by doctors mutilating infant boys.
fuck you.

Has anyone brought up the fact that the suicide rate for even post-op transsexuals is quadruple the average? I don't think it's a tough to argue that someone who doesn't even hold their own life in regard may not be the kind of person you want watching your back.

>>135082130
honestly, these numbers alone prove the point. If you say "these dont even inlude X,Y,Z" people wouldnt know how to counter it. Way to fucking be my guy

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>>135082159
How about antipsychotics? Those have tested out phenomenally for (((GID)))

How about them post transition suicide rates?

>>135078153
You're not allowed to join if you have asthma or need regular insulin injections due to needing medication that may not be available to you during war due to supply lines. Why should people who require hormones be any different?
Having hormonally confused and suicide prone individuals serving in the military isn't the best idea.

>>135078153
>15k members of military
>$8.4M/year
>560 ratio

>2,900k members of military
>$84M/year
>29 ratio

>>135081519
That's some high functioning autism you got there waffle. After all these years it never ceases to amaze me the amount of incredibly intelligent people that visit this disgusting Cambodian goat herder forum. Good job.

>>135082426
How is it not treatment for GID if a trans person sees a great improvement in their GID and quality of life after a successful transition?
>>135082361
Trans people are probably too much of a liability for the military. If a trans person was put in combat and had their medication supply cut off, that could get dangerous.
>>135082537
That study is an old one that focused on older transitioners.
>>135082589
The anti-psychotic study you're talking about was a single person who didn't have GID, but was Schizo.
Those suicide rates again, are from an old study that focused on older transitioners. Treatment methods and societal acceptance have improved, and so have the results from transitioning.

>>135078153
oh it is based on that communist buzzword you like to utter. those ''reasons'' are just dressing to pass that law

get fucked queer

>>135078153
Sage your degenerate gaping assole

Also consider how much the military has to spend on sensitivity training and just getting all the regular servicemen to be reconditioned to accept them

>>135082707
>A confederate burger considers basic mathematics to be high intelligence.
Like pottery

>>135078153
>ban is based entirely on bigotry
I hope it is.

>>135082707
>Elementary school math
>intelligent

Found the retard. Flag checks out.

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>>135081954
"This list of disorders that has historically been full of pop-psych bullshit throughout the decades is totally not pop-psych bullshit this time!!!!!!!1111!!!!!"

>>135082625
How the hell are there 15k trannies in the army?

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>>135078734
>tfw 15k people cost 2 to 8 million a year

>>135078447
Underrated

>>135078153
Any sources on those numbers? Otherwise, [citation needed]

>>135082748
Sticking feathers up ones ass does not make you a chicken. At some point, as a society we need to acknowledge that cutting your dick off doesn't make you a woman, and no one is going to treat you like it unless they have an agenda. For fuck sake do we tell the guy who thinks he's Napoleon that he needs to fly to France and get it on? Do we tell people who hear voices " those voices are just as valid as my voice"? Where does the buck stop?

Fuck the DSM they bowed out to social pressures when homosex was declassed as a mental illness.

>>135081100
Yeah, but one cures the illness and the other make it worse

>>135082748
Holy shit, you keep saying the same thing over and over without any evidence. Suicide rates haven't "improved" outside MoE, they are still higher than literally any other group, and I've haven't read a single study that says otherwise.

>>135078734
/thread

>be trans
>war breaks out
>gets to stay home doing nothing; while white men die protecting them
>/pol/ tards think this is a great thing

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>>135078153

>Mentally ill person signs up to be a musician for the US Army
>Now gets free sex change surgery thanks to the US tax payer and a lifetime of anti depressant medication since he's more likely to regret his decision to cut his dick off


>Normal man joins the army as a riflemen, see's his friends get blown to bits, and his spends a night wounded in a side alley slowly bleeding out wondering if he'll make it home or not
>Can't get an erection anymore to breed with his white wife, the US tax payer will help with that

One of those is okay, the other is not

>>135083044
It's more like under 7,000.

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>>135082013
>It can cost up to $232,130.00 for 1 full work up on a person
source?
The New England Journal of Medicine estimates there's 12,800 trannies that cost between $4.2 to $5.6 million. Reasonably you'd expect more trannies to sign up if their medical expenses are be covered, but it's a stretch to say it'll jump from 5 million to 10 billion, or anything even close to that.

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp1509230

>>135079989
That's obviously not who it's for, Ausfag.

>>135083291
Would you rather lower the quality of your fighting force by deploying sub-par troops?

>>135078153
>tremendous military costs
>disruption
Better focus on one point and not the other!

>>135078153
What kind of faggot wants soft dick veterans?

>>135083291
The battlefield is no place for the mentally ill.

>>135079058
Wtf is youre problem anon, stop being a fag

>>135081701
Man, this is depressing

But what the hell does he mean by "discharge" and "using pads"?
I searched google but everything I find is very vague.... is it literally pus?

>>135078153
>Those expenses wouldn't increase as more transtrender faggots join the military

Ok...

>>135082748
It's not treatment because instead of the person coming to terms with the body they were born with, they are encouraged to keep lying to themselves and mutilate themselves.

That would be like treating someone who craves eating shit by encouraging them eat shit and giving them a big steaming bowl of poop, rather than provide treatment (therapy, group therapy, meds) to get them to realize that eating shit is unnatural and unhealthy.

>>135078153
What the fuck does this idiot think he's proving?

>>135083570
>Open wound

>>135078153
Trans could pay to be in the military and I still wouldn't want them there.

Trump is just being nice mentioning the monetary cost, what really matters are the other problems they bring (i.e. depression, mental problems, degeneracy).

>>135083291
You're right. Our entire military should be comprised of nothing but people with mental illness who will serve as cannon fodder while being completely ineffective in any practical sense. Sounds like a solid, cost effective plan.

>>135079297
Mostly for veterans under VA healthcare plans. Also, if you were wounded in battle in a way that makes it hard or near impossible to get it up without meds, you're owed something to make you a bit more whole again.

Damn
Trumps done now

>>135083467
Then what are soldiers doing there?

>>135078153

Now divide the amount against how many make use of the service. You'll see which of the two is - by person - the bigger waste of money.

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Note to trannies: The military discriminates on height, weight, medical condition, credit score (bad credit = no TS clearance), and more. The military isn't an ego validation center for people who "want to join". It's a combat killing machine. It's not about YOU.¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>135083010
Hey, if you're claiming you know better than the APA, you are very welcome to work your way into the psychiatry field and prove them wrong. Otherwise, this isn't very constructive as you're going against actual doctors.
>>135083179
You consider homosexuality a mental illness?
>>135083255
How does one make it worse?
>>135083257
https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2017/05/04/Study-shows-rising-rates-of-suicidal-acts-in-transgender-adults/4561493909781/
The analysis of the studies showed that on average, 55 percent of respondents thought about suicide and 29 percent had attempted suicide in their lifetimes. The numbers changed to 51 percent thought about suicide and 11 percent had attempted suicide in the past year.
>29 percent had attempted suicide in their lifetimes.
>The numbers changed to 11 percent had attempted suicide in the past year.
>>135083625
Trans people are provided treatment. They're given therapy, group therapy, and meds.

>>135083570
Its because its not a real vagina and is instead a festering, open wound cavity. Its absolutely disgusting to the highest order.

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>>135083391
http://www.tsroadmap.com/reality/finance/finxampl3.html

>>135078304
fpbp

>>135078153

way to take the bait, OP. sage.

>>135082827
>>135082976
Kek found the newfags
I know that is elementary but the he posted it beautifully formatted like it's going in a text book. He went the extra mile.

>>135078153
>someone said

>tfw you beat up two pol shills today

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>>135083257
This was the newest data from Williams from 2015. It is the newest data that was peer reviewed and sourced. Doesn't mean it's nessecarily truer either way. Also, most trans will attempt suicide on average twice.

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>>135078734
Have a (you)

The only thing transgenders deserve is a noose.

>>135078153
>thousands on ed meds
>dozens chop off dick because they're insane
>both expensive
>only one makes sense

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>>135084007
>Point out retardation
>lololol fukin newfags, it was just formated nice

That's incredible, someone has the ability to format mathematics into something that's easy to read? Almost like they taught me that in primary school.

>>135083711
>send out mentally ill with surplus gear
>they give away enemy positioning for your fire support
>destroy the enemy forces and improve the quality of your nations population
Sounds good to me

>>135083461
Most men are soft dick faggots

>>135084090
Mental illness can only go soo far. In short


Their culling themselves

>>135081519
Honestly the ed in military is probably higher than 1 in 4 when you factor in the stress with being in the military from combat and suffering from ptsd and treatment for it.

Also meds for ed help with procreation and not just spending money to throw down a drain so a guy can turn their dick in to an axe wound for feels. Also you can argue that since studies came out saying men should ejaculate 21 times a month to prevent prostate cancer the pills can help with the prevention of prostate cancer. Retards literally can't think past the first sentence they see.

>>135083881

Yes. I consider homosexuality a mental illness. What the fuck good is a single generation species? It is outside of the normal function of mankind. Incompatible hardware. Abnormal.

>>135078153
>(((Levine)))

Someone is pushing this tranny agenda and has been for at least 5 years now. Someone big, but I dont know why.
It's not tied to the gay community because they can't stand them.

>travel a lot for work
>start checking out free dating sites to see what kind of hotties are in the countries Im going to
>Every single town, no matter how remote, has 1 english speaking western tranny sjw trying to pass as a woman
>checked over 50 cities, including in countries where being gay is illegal
>report them for them falsley claiming female
>am banned from sites for life

>>135079052
Idk what it is about leftists but they can not seem to grasp proportions. They make the same fallacious arguments about black crime rates.

>>135078153
What is the cost per person based on these expenses?

>>135078153
Don't ED medicines have multiple uses?

>>135084371
Get a load of this homo

>>135078447
free cure for ED = stop jagging off and looking at porn

>>135083913
>festering
Jesus Christ
And they want to put kids through this.
Absolutely evil.

Trannies shouldn't be in the military because they're clearly mentally unstable and a liability.

>>135084371
It may be abnormal but it's not a mental illness.

>>135083573
Transtrenders dont want hormones/surgery though, you know that right. The whole point is that they pretend to be trans for virtue signalling but dont have gender dysphoria and dont need to medically transition.

>>135083881
Except the "treatment" they're given is just exacerbating their condition when it encourages them to believe their delusions!

>>135079058

fag

>>135081403
You should join the military to get some free limp dick drugs.

>>135084428
Yeah, they treat heart conditions and other bloodpressure related difficulties.

>>135079058
just because you can afford something doesn't mean you should spend money on it you stupid fuck

>>135084390
Canadians have done research into porn sites as well, tranny and gay shit get's pushed into the results and sprinkled about consistently.

>>135084635
Really makes me think.

>>135081842
1.2m to 1.4m is all people in active duty, not just one branch

>>135084541
>schizophrenia is just abnormal not really a disease

>>135084609
You know that everything, and i mean literally everything else was tried before hormonal replacement therapy and nothing but has worked at alleviating symptoms right. Most trannies are aware they are not literally the other biological sex, they simply feel uncomfortable in their bodies to the point of extreme depression.

>>135078153
Because there are more men than trannies in the army.

Simple.

>>135084635
And those conditions are make a person bannable from joining the army, so try again

>>135084438
No U

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>>135083881
The headline of that article is literally
>Study shows rising rates of suicidal acts in transgender adults
And you should have clicked through to the actual paper instead of just reading an article about it. It was a composite study of other studies published by "Transgender Health". Attached is an image from the actual entry.

>>135079406
Most of them just crossdress.

Thats 2.4 million to 8.4 million that could go to buying replacement parts for deadlined vehicles, new rifles and machine guns for older weapons sitting in armories, enough money to send who knows how many people to more military schools, etc.

I don't understand why they're being removed from all roles? There is an argument for combat roles but why logistics? Many if not most trans people fly completely under the radar anyway.

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>post yfw you are a trans using Viagra

>>135084942
I'll take "what is a waiver for 200 " Alex

>>135084942
Joining... sure. But once you're in it's not likely to get you kicked out.

>>135084609
http://research.omicsgroup.org/index.php/Sex_reassignment_therapy
"In follow-up studies, genital surgery has helped some transsexuals live happier and more productive lives and so is justified in highly motivated, appropriately assessed and treated transsexuals, who have completed a 1- to 2-year real-life experience in the opposite gender role. Before surgery, transsexuals often need assistance with passing in public, including help with gestures and voice modulation. Participation in support groups, available in most large cities, is usually helpful."

>paying for severing penises is the same as paying to bring back your fucking boners
What a fucking stupid world we live. Jesus Fucking Christ.

>>135078153
>based on no actual number.
>source: this guys ass

>>135078153
cost to keep your genital wound from bleeding for 8 months in the field...?

>>135084982
I'm sorry, I did make a mistake there.

>>135085101
Neither should be payed for by the military.

>actual medical condition versus mental illness

>>135084928
And what should the treatment be for someone who is severely uncomfortable and depressed that he or she isn't a bird?

>>135085166
Priceless

>>135084942
>be 18 year old buck
>join army
>Serve 5 tours of duty
>collapse one day
>have diagnosed heart condition
>get given medical discharge
>receive heart medication under veterans act

>>135085082
Doesn't work like that johnny

How is it costing so much for dick pills, I pay $30 bucks for cialas to get diamond cutters and that shit last me 6 months.

Gtfo here with that libral cuck shit. A pill vs life long medication and major surgery is not even close to the same thing.

>>135081519
Someone screencap this and send it to him.

>>135084727
Someone with large amounts of money has to be pushing this. Trannys are broke, theyre too crazy to work a real job.
Actually, thinking about it a little, only (((they))) would have the power to push the agenda.

Why? When they make trannys normalized then they can push it on children. So that childrens sexuality becomes a human rights issue of choice. i.e. pedophilia becomes legal

>>135078153
Do these people not fucking understand how the military works? Do they not fucking get that if you need constant medication to function that you are not fit to serve? I'm so FUCKING angry over how completely blind people are to the reality of this situation. The military exists to PROTECT THE COUNTRY it doesn't exist to be inclusive and politically correct.

>>135085285
What's your MOS bitch?

>>135078734
That's a good point. Also, erectile disfunction medication is fixing a body part that the soldier was born with. A sex change is a body modification. I think it would've been better just to take sex changes out of something the military will pay for though. But no "women" with penises showering with women. You go to the locker room of your genitals.

>>135085089
Helpful in making certain doctors a lot of money.

>>135085273
And that's fine
I'm talking about those who already had those conditions before joining

>>135078153
>life choice vs health problem

>>135078153
ED is a legitimate medical problem. Plastic surgery is not

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>>135082748
The results from THIS have improved

>>135078734
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Tranny Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on transphobic goyim, and I have over 300 confirmed GRIDS infections. I am trained in dilation and I’m the top HRT expert in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another bigot. I will poz you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of chosen people across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your presidency. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can attempt suicide in over seven hundred ways, and that’s pre-op. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the Soylent Corporation and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your bigoted T Cells off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, Drumpf.

>>135085057
They're too mentally unstable for security clearance. Also, anyone that is a desk jockey in the military can be called into active duty overseas at any time.

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>>135085441
The results from THIS have improved

Are you mad?

>>135085231
False comparison. The human brain develops to be either male or female in the womb, sometimes this process fucks up and isnt 100% either one becuse we seem to have birth defects all the time. Just look at how often intersex is. The human brain however cannot develop to be bird. Did you fail basic biology?

How many people benefit by the viagra pill vs transition surgery?

>>135085365
It's affecting black and hispanic populations a lot, not just whites. Is this part of (((their))) plan or an accidental side effect of trying to push it on a particular race?

>>135084635
The problem is that the vet healthcare system must buy name brand and can't negotiate cost of prescription. That 84M could easily be 1M if they allowed generic.

>>135078153
And what if it is? What are you gonna do about it you little faggot?

>>135085285
A quick search for blood-pressure waiver says it exists. There are waivers for almost everything... even some fucking felonies.

>>135084451
That's not what causes ED

>>135085420
You wouldn't be able to join, you get a full medical upon application and they find out things like that.

>>135079989
they dont you fucking retard their medical insurance, which is out of the militaries budget, covers Viagra and they have medical insurance for basically the rest of their lives if you serve.

>>135085566
If you need a penis pill, you're a failed man

>>135081519
notice that tweet isn't very sure when it comes to the tranny cost, cause its probably way higher.

>>135085089
I don't have time to keep correcting your work. You need to at least read the abstract of stuff you are using as a source, since some of it contradicts your point.
>There is academic concern over the low quality of the evidence supporting the efficacy of sex reassignment therapy as treatment for gender dysphoria
In one of actual articles cited on that page.

>>135085664
Or one who has sustained injuries

>>135085318
>>135081519
This

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>>135085519
Here enjoy a FTM

>cost to humor the delusions of the mentally ill and ultimately do them harm: 8.4m

>cost to allow soldiers to bang their wives and girlfriends after returning home from serving their country: 84m

I would gladly pay 5x the amount for the latter and still refuse the trannies. Letting a man go home to be there completely for his family, which includes intimacy with his wife, is worth far more than a tranny asking to have their delusions realized.

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>>135085444
>Those Trips
>That Message

It makes sense

>>135085612
>vet healthcare system must buy name brand
Why is this

>>135085576
I don't think they were going for only one race. I think their end goal is making all children free to choose sex with adults.
Clintons find it easier to 'adopt' haitian children than white ones anyway

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from the last thread

>>135085789
Lobbyists

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>>135085789
It's almost like politicians are in bed with Pharmaceuticals. It's almost like they excused it as only buying "the best."

>>135085784
Shit like this makes me think that we are living in the end days.

>>135085883
Oh shit, this is just part of their pushing towards pedphilia.
>IF KIDS CAN CONSENT TO BEING TRANS, WHY CAN'T THEY CONSENT TO HAVING SEX WITH ME
>I'M A PEDOPHILE NOT A MONSTER

This is fucked up.

>>135085909
>flesh maw
How is slaanesh not real at this point, in what way is the Trump god emperor meme vs this basically mean WH40K is real? How can it even be argued at this point

>>135081519
If the dollar amount also includes vets, your numbers are way off but millions of ED benefits recipients.

>>135086029
fun fact, the man that decided gender and sex were different was a peado

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>>135085994
The end? This is only just the beginning!

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>>135085784
Thank you for the second hand pain anon

So if the reason for the ban is the healthcare cost, then why allow trans people to work in any government job at all?

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Don't trannies have to 'dilate' their boipuccies like 3-4 hours a day?

How in the FUCK can someone in active duty commit that much time to just staying in bed? Imagine the sheer burden of having 2,000 trannies needing almost half of daylight for sick leave during something like Operation Desert Storm.

Of course, the government would HAVE to deploy these people because muh discrimination.

DUMBASS libshits trying to be the champions for a group of mentally ill niggers they hardly know anything about. The costs are astronomical and way beyond paying to rip a dick off.

>>135085713
Yes that is one line, but we also have lines like.
The American Medical Association's Resolution 122 states, "An established body of medical research demonstrates the effectiveness and medical necessity of mental health care, hormone therapy and sex reassignment surgery as forms of therapeutic treatment for many people diagnosed with GID".
>An established body of medical research

>A recent Swedish study (2010) found that “almost all patients were satisfied with sex reassignment at 5 years, and 86% were assessed by clinicians at follow-up as stable or improved in global functioning”

You are right that suicide rates are high and better care is needed, I made a mistake with that. I just want to help correct a lot of misconceptions, but admittedly I'm not very smart. I'm sorry for the trouble my errors have caused.

>>135086159
>he figured out the next step of the master plan

The tranny vets don't get to bring friends

>>135086180
Yes see
>>135085519

glad our country is more devoted to producing families than freaks, you've restored just a tiny bit of my faith with those statistics

>>135085533
And yet are there not people out there who consider themselves otherkin? Are there not people out there, quite notably actually, who have tattooed themselves to look just like leopards, and lizards? Surely the human brain cannot develop to be a leopard or a lizard, and yet there are people who believe that they should be those animals. Or do you invalidate their experiences?

>>135086140
Yeah, the guy that fucked up two kids so much they killed themselves later in life and forced them to do weird sex role play shit.
It's all coming together. And shits fucked cunt.

>>135086235
>“almost all patients were satisfied with sex reassignment at 5 years
What about after 10 years? or 15? How many live that long? How many are lying to their doctors to defend their awful decisions?

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>>135085786
Would you fuck me? I'd fuck me...

>>135086387
I invalidate their experience if they do not acknowledge it is a symptom of mental illness. I will not acknowledge someone can be born a fucking BIRD you mad men

Wait a second

Are we arguing 2-8 mil a year for all trans

Or each?

Jesus please tell me its the first

>>135085928
>>135085941
tfw trump hasnt banned lobbyists. Too bad

>>135086180
>Don't trannies have to 'dilate' their boipuccies like 3-4 hours a day?
Only post op trannies and only for the first few weeks/months does it need to be dilated that much IIRC. You definitely do not need to do it that often forever but you are right that those that had just had the surgery probably would be unfit for active combat.

>>135086428
Why would they lie to their own doctor? Patients do express regret when there is.
>A prospective study in the Netherlands that looked at the psychological and sexual functioning of 162 adult applicants of adult sex reassignment applicants before and after hormonal and surgical treatment found, "The vast majority functioned quite well psychologically, socially and sexually. Two non-homosexual male-to-female transsexuals expressed regrets." (The term "non-homosexual" in this context refers to persons who were attracted to persons of the sex that was opposite to their birth sex prior to surgery - that is, male-to-female transsexuals who were attracted to women and female-to-male transsexuals who were attracted to men.)

>>135086584
First, the math is done here
>>135081519

>>135086140
Who?

>>135086235

stop highlighting the freaks suicides, wouldnt want the media to spot light it and try to lower it

>>135078153
>Not having to fight wars for power hungry assholes

That's not fair. How come the trannies get that great deal but not the rest of us.

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>>135085994
We are my boy. Who here hype for that greatest of all spectacles?

>>135086669
>Why would they lie to their own doctor?
They don't want to be judged? My mate lied to the doctor for month cause he didn't want to be diagnosed as depressed. Then he lied again when the meds stopped working

>>135086699
I can't remember the doctors name, just google it nigga

How much of the price is hormones, and how much is surgeries? Would just banning coverage of surgeries be enough to get the price down?

>>135086180
This is what I keep coming back to.
The standard response would be that most trannies don't get sex reassignment surgery.
But then you're just larping and shouldn't be in the armed forces either. You should be in-patient.

>>135085789
>Why is this
He just made it up.

https://www.va.gov/COMMUNITYCARE/programs/dependents/pharmacy/meds_by_mail.asp
>Brand name medications are limited, as Meds by Mail promotes generic medications. Call your MbM servicing center to see if the brand name is available. If it is not, you will have to use your local pharmacy and pay the 25% cost share and annual deductible.

Always google. But then a leaf, of all people should be on the lookout for enraging bullshit.

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>>135086604
You DO HAVE TO DO IT AT LEAST OCCASIONALLY FOR EVER DO NOT LIE TO THEM YOU FILTHY FUCKING LEAF

>>135086994
If they don't get the surgery then we're talking FEMININE BENIS :DDDDD

IN THE FUCKING MILITARY. NO. ENOUGH.

>>135086604
>tfw trump hasnt banned lobbyists. Too bad
The president has power to make congress ban lobbyists from themselves? I didn't know he was Emperor.

>>135078153
(((Levin))) these numbers are complete bullshit he pulled out of his ass.

>>135087063
>twice weekly for life

So assuming the best possible outcome, you'll end up with a broken shell of a man, riddled with mental issues (which, discounting gender dysphoria, occurs at a rate in LGBT many times that of the normal population) who has to take sick leave twice a week to fuck their open wound with a dildo for several hours

>>135087063
>You DO HAVE TO DO IT AT LEAST OCCASIONALLY FOR EVER
I never said you didnt have to do it atleast oacasinally. I said that you dont have to do it that often forever. Are you just terrible at reading? My ex has had the surgery done and i just asked her about it

>>135085444
gd i laughed

>It's a 1 post by this ID episode

>>135087321
Yup and A FUCKING LEAF wants to lie about it

>>135087443
>i just asked her about it
>her

I got bad news for you.