TAX THE RICH Is this good? I genuinely don't know.

>>135059977
Its unfortunate for the rich, but good for the rest of the population. I mean the rich are still pulling a shit load and more than likely dodging the IRS to save money anyways.

>>135059977
Wonder how libs will find a way to complain

>>135059977
it should be more clear in law and enforcement the nature of laws and loopholes and tax havens. And the deal with deficit and budget and interest and loans and foreign investors and corporations

>>135060207
>good for the rest of the population
so CEOs can outsource more jobs

>>135059977
No, it isn't.

The government should learn to deliver value for the money it already takes, not just grab more to paste over its failures.

Remember that there is no maximum amount of money they are capable of wasting.

>>135060506
what does that have to do with personal taxes?

>>135060225
>Wonder how libs will find a way to complain

It isn't 100%. Libs will still bitch. There is no victory in appeasing them. They will always find a way to call themselves victims.

>>135059977
Holy fuck I've been wishing they would create more tax brackets at the top since I was 8 years old.

Forced redistribution of wealth is wrong and is one of the reason India is such a shithole.

yeah rich people tend to be extreme faggots

either muh constitution fags, muh greatest ally fags, or hardcore marxist fags

tax em, gas em, i don't fucking care

>>135059977
Yes. It will help fund our budget, reduce our debt, and stop (((corporations))) from evading their responsibilities.

>>135060934
He's not trying to appease them, he's trying to produce a balanced budget

>>135059977

Increase taxes on the rich to pay for what?
More entitlements?

>>135060506

?

>>135059977
It'll practically guarantee you 2020

>>135061140
>8 year old logic

Huffpo headline tomorrow
>Bannon proposes 44% Tax on the wealthy, here's why that's a bad thing.

>>135060506
>When talking points aren't understood at a core level

No way, whenever you pull up taxes to the rich, the poor population is the one ends up paying the price. Imagine I own a small chain of restaurants and make a little over $5M a year: if I now make less profit with my current prices (or even enter in debt with it), I will for now on raise the prices for my restaurant chain, and in the end the consumers (AKA the working class) will pay the price. Taxes for the rich are only a good deal when you are a fucking billionaire, as it won't make that much difference for them, but will destroy the competition and allow them to maintain monopoly, with high prices and an awful service. And last of all, the government is inefficient in money spending, and if the people had the power to spend their own salary as they wished, they surely would pursue the highest value in trade.

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We need to kill Walmart; money should be spent on local goods and services, end the need and globalism will wither.

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Funny what you consider rich tax.
We pay like 50% tax normally...

>>135059977
eat the rich is better

>>135059977
I'm fine with it if deductions, corporate taxes, and lower/middle class taxes are reduced

i don't care about higher taxes for the rich

>>135061638
In a perfect world yeah, but in reality consumers are fucking morons who blow their weekly budget on dumb shit like fidget spinners then bitch that other people should pay for their healthcare

why doesnt the national debt and deficit matter?

Is part of that national debt and deficit owned by foreigners? foreign governments? why, how is that a good idea? Is it a good idea simply in a crazy nihilistic sense, of trying to get away with as much as possible now and soon, and if anyone asked for any value back, they would just be given more paper money?

>>135061638
>I will for now on raise the prices for my restaurant chain
Because you're a hook-nosed, greasy-haired kike.

>>135059977

Just fix the tax code. The very wealthy can hire accountants that know how to manipulate the tax code so that the rich don't have to pay a lot.

>>135059977
sure. many people over the 44% tax bracket will do everything to avoid hitting that cap, so they're more likely to redistribute their wealth in the workplace. Im quite sure thats how it used to work in ye olde america in the first place

>>135061542
Jews are wealthy this is a nazi attempt to punish them.
The wealthiest states are democrat.
The biggest percentage of the 1 percent are Jews.
A majority of the wealthiest individuals in America are democrat.

These nazis don't want to help the poor they want to steal from demos and Jews to build a fascist state.

The rich joined collectively in a war on Trump, and then he got elected. Bannon should go much further.

Traditional left vs right views on economics are pretty far down the list of priorities in a world of massive one-sided biological warfare.

>>135061238
Same here in Brazil
Emergent countries, despite from their massive potential, are only in that situation because the government is a huge obstacle for the economy

>tell me what to think /pol/
another brave freethinker

>>135061664
Kill the government and local services shall thrive

>>135059977
The rich right now are all lefties. So this might be good....

>>135060207
Yeah, won't increase prices of their products or anything.

Bannon is right, he always has the truth.

Fuck the riche REEEE

>>135059977
It doesn't solve the problem which is excessive spending.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=661pi6K-8WQ
You can literally steal 100% of the wealth created in the country in a year and still not cover the debt. That also doesn't include all the unfunded liabilities that have been promised. We are so fucked if the dollar ever stops being the reserve currency.

>>135062310
That's why corporate rates should be reduced to a reasonable amount

>>135061998
So let's control prices, Mr. Maduro

>>135059977
loud mouth anti-trump hollywood types and celebrities will have to find a way to defend themselves from the hordes of twitter apes wondering why their favorite anti-trump celeb doesn't actually care to give up large sums of income arbitrarily to "help out". this would be the wrestlemania of virtue signaling

/pol/ will now backtrack and say they always supported tax increases!

>>135059977
I always said that Trump/Bannon were centrist nationalists; but autistic lefties wouldn't listen.

We tax the (((rich globalists))) and we oppose trade laws that hurt native unions, because it's all part of "America first" ideology.

>>135062124
Government relies on votes. And in poor countries most votes are from Poor's, we waste all our wealth in gibs and loan waivers. That's all ok but we still don't see any improvement. This just keeps the country in perpetual poverty.

>>135059977
It's garbage. If I wanted Hillary for president I would have voted for Hillary

>>135061665
At least you guys have high quality, efficient government services amirite?

>>135061390
Probably to start paying off our massive fucking debt to foreign countries, if I know Bannon
He always seemed like the responsible one in this shitshow of an administration

>>135059977
Bannon's done. He's gone. He's outta there.

>>135059977
Nice duplicate slide thread you got here. Let's talk about trump banning trannies from the military instead

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>>135059977
In Germany they tax you 46% if you make more than 60k €

I HATE MY COMMIE GOVERNMENT

>>135062310
>and local services shall become regional services
>and regional services shall become national services
>and national services shall become the de facto government

>>135062310
And people stop buying from them. The producer is reliant on the consumers, not the other way around.

>>135059977
Increase tax for the rich
>the borderline rich stop being rich so they either stop paying taxes or get fucked cause the law is thought with people way past the "rich" line
>people making just below the "rich" line are decentivized from making more money cause if they pass the line they will actually make less, incentivizing the hoarding of money and non-redestribusion/inversion of it
>important people like CEOs will find ways to avoid taxes like they have always done while still making more money
>more dodgy labour practices like fake contracts, hiring unskilled/untrained labor, outsourcing jobs, getting factories in foreign countries and decentivizing companys to come to the country

No anon, unless the law is better made out, its not good

>>135062586
"America left" you mean.

2 flavors, chocolate or double chocolate

>>135062686
>60k €
thats not even that rich, if you factor in putting a good amount of that towards retirement and paying for a family. 4 million is a much more reasonable level

No one should have too much money.

>>135062543
Don't need to control the prices themselves, just the market, to keep you fucking parasitic jew cunts from profiteering in our society.
Disgusting rats.

>>135059977
Taxing the *very* rich is a good thing. People making under a millionish shouldn't be taxed very much but there is nothing wrong with heavily taxing the super wealthy.

It's not about wealth redistribution either, but power distribution. There's no reason to allow an oligarchy of billionaires to control everything in society.

>>135060207
>good for the rest of the population
Someone here doesn't understand economics.

>>135059977
it would probably be better to close these aforementioned loop holes that Trump has stated that he's used (and is willing to close up)

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>>135062882
>looks at flag
Right. Better give up all of your nazi gold then

>5 million a year.

That isnt "super rich"

Many who make that much do so honestly and through hard work.

Billionaires like soros are a different story. There should be a 50% tax on them.

Bannon realizes Trump has abandoned his populist policies so he's doing damage control.

>>135060207
Literal retard

>>135059977
Major media critics of trump make tens of millions a year. Why not tax them even higher, they like the idea of big government and fair taxes.

>>135062570
A lot of people have supported taxing the uber rich in an intelligent way
>pol has always been hard purple libertarian
>t. started browsing after finding out what /pol/ is on the pol harbor page on know youre meme

>>135062310
>personal income taxes will change the price of widgets produced under the corporate tax system

Just admit you're a liberal shill. You haven't the slightest fucking clue how taxes even work, proudly announcing you're a retard while waving a Reddit flag.

>>135059977
You would think it would be good, right? Sounds good, right? But it's not.

When you raise taxes on the rich you will receive more money per RECEIPT, however your amount of RECEIPTS will go down.

You see rich people have the resources to avoid paying taxes, so they will just employ more methods to avoid them. This causes more rich people to keep money offshores and pay NO taxes.

>>135062856
Until the rich stop enslaving the poor they have no right to oppose taxation, which is a collective wage for living in this nation of roads, emergency support, city facilities, basically all the good things about living in a charcoal choked nation of oil slaves.

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>>135062867
Funny thing is 3 out the 5 major parties wants to increase the taxes after the election even more because of muh social equality

>>135063094
>Billionaires like soros are a different story. There should be a 50% tax on them.
how do you tax market manipulation like that? its all international. the man has no real home

>tax the rich more
>rich just put even more money into offshore accounts

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As long as we don't surpass anyone in Europe.
Try to flee with your wealth when third-world shit holes like India are your only better alternative, rich fags.

Obamacare is bad cause taxes

But let's tax the rich!

>>135063016
I don't care, i live like in venezuela. And i'm OK

>>135063186
>rich just put even more money into offshore accounts

No you see Trump has a magic way to make them pay!

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>>135059977
>Is this good

No. Rich people create wealth. Over-taxing them prevents wealth creation.

>>135062738
>And people stop buying from them
No, because other laws made sure to kill any potential competition.

People who think government having more money is good for the commoner should be shot on sight. There's a reason inequality grows as regulations do, inflation affects everything save inelastic demand products. Guess who sells these products? The filthy rich lobbyists

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I love it, tax those fucking jews for the theft they contributed to.

>>135063186
>>135063267
>arrest them
>execute them

>>135063138
>no counterargument
People will be spending less retard. Businesses will have to increase prices.

>>135063186
You are american fagget, just bomb everything off shore.

>>135063239
>i live like in venezuela
you're constantly starving and trying to avoid the secret police?

>>135063315
Including his family members and himself?

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Daily reminder that taxation is theft

>>135059977
it's the soc part of natsoc

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>>135059977
The tax rate should be low, but you've got to do something about the jews.
Nobody wants to talk about the second part though.

How are paid libertarian for sucking rich's cocks ?

>>135060535
>fiat money
>taxation required as source of income

the reason for taxation in fiat money is purely distributive. At the moment, we are facing a meltdown of epic proportion in terms of the gaps between the ultra rich and the middle class and the poor. Note that this doesn't even affect::
-the professional pulling high 6 figures
-the owner who reinvests most of his profits in his business

$5 million is A LOT of money. and pulling it every year is a rarity.

>>135059977
It's great as long as they cut corporate tax.
Let Hollywood faggots money pay for the wall.

>>135060506
Please refrain from ever posting on this board again.

Daily reminder stealing other peoples money is jewish

>>135060875
>>135061456
>>135061624
the more they can keep, the more they can spend on hiring locally, the more jobs are available for average joe

>>135059977
Can someone explain to me the situation with Dwight Eisenhower? He had the highest marginal tax rate at around 91% during his presidency. How did that go?

If the government lowered peoples taxes, those people might hoard more of their pay check, spend less, save more, and retire earlier, and that would be bad for the economy: so even if the government wastes some or a lot of the taxes, it doesnt matter, because thats better than the citizens actually getting closer to the actual value of their pay, because then they might be able to retire earlier

/pol/ is sadly kind of confused about whether libertarian "Taxes are theft!" ideology is "/pol/ or not."

I respect libertarians a lot, especially their underlying values. I really fucking do. But at the end of the day, if you're a nationalist of any kind, you're either a welfare state nationalist or a balls-to-the-wall capitalist nationalist.

Welfare state sounds like it means everyone should be a fucking pussy. What it really means is that, like many European countries, everyone should have access to the same amenities and education so that a gigantic cancerous rich cocksucker upper class doesn't develop that gives no fucks about the country itself, and sees itself as something SEPARATE from the nation. The idea of nationalism only really works if you don't have massive, wealthy in-groups inside the nation who could give less than a shit about it as a whole.

We've tried low-tax, trickle-down economics. It doesn't work. That's what Reagan and the Neocons tried, and they were just a business party of rich faggots. But what should make you even angrier than the ultra-rich bankers, if you're a /pol/fag, is the upper 5-10% of "fairly rich" guys who simply evade 75% of their taxes using scams that EVERYONE uses (note: Trump referenced these). The ultra-rich, of course, pay almost no taxes at all.

Like I said, at the end of the day, you're either a nationalist and a (mild) socialist, or a nationalist and a capitalist. In a properly functioning society, nationalist sentiment would simply be high enough that rich assholes didn't become completely independent multi-national bankers the instant they became rich. But we don't have culture strong enough for that. At least not yet. Until then, we need some way of preventing the super rich from stealing all the fucking money. That's not anti-capitalism, it's not anti-liberty, it's just a fact of life.

Anti-tax rhetoric is a leftover from the Neocons.

>>135059977
It's all part of a much larger plan. I don't pretend to know the endgame but it will likely be good for whites

>>135063239

>Venezuela
So give up your Nazi gold faggot, like he said.

>>135061664
Why is there a male and female to represent humans in that image but not for the other anima and why does it start at a doggo for nature and spiral in?

>>135063292
>regulation prevents competition
>not the fact that your personal financial interests aren't equivalent to what's in the interest of a competitive market, so you sell out your local business to the hugely wealthy corporation next door.

You gonna be the one to shoot me?

>>135063520
Daily reminder that if you make over $5 million, you're most likely Jewish

>>135063520
>roads are only for jews

>>135063491
>$5 million is A LOT of money. and pulling it every year is a rarity.
yeah so someone who struggles a lot to get that maybe once in a life time $5 million pay check, and then turns out they only get to keep about half of it.

>>135063563
Nice meme faggot, CEO will get payed in stock which will be taxed differently. CEO have been making banks for years, that never stopped them from outsourcing why would they go local when the can outsource and get more fag

>>135063386
If they're complicit in the avoidance?

>>135063817
>>roads are only for jews
>most of the needed roads have not already been made a long time ago

>>135063565
Loopholes and property investment. Effective tax rate was quite low.

>>135062473
Fucking this. Increase income tax on very upper levels and bring the corporate tax rate to something competitive with the rest of the modern world.

>>135063924
>roads have infinite life spans and don't need to be replaced all the time

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>>135063412
Daily reminder that it's not thievery when you didn't fucking own anything in the first place.

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>>135061638
> Imagine I own a small chain of restaurants and make a little over $5M a year
Then you just incorporate and take advantage of the corporate tax rate cuts eh?

>>135063776
>investing in property is jewish

>>135063924
>I should be able to live a private, hedonistic life off the work of my predecessors
Parasite

>$5 million a year
>OH NOES, HOW WILL THESE POOR MILLIONAIRES BE ABLE TO SURVIVE!?!

You're all retarded.

Taxes are just to pay off the interest we owe on our debt. This won't do anything and is leftist/Marxist. Fucking kill yourselves, dirty statist

>>135063656
I don't respect libertarians at all, they are fucking traitors and secret degenerate leftists.

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>Axios previously reported that Bannon was looking to raise the top marginal rate to “something with a four in front of it,” but the 44 percent bracket for those making $5 million and above is a more fleshed out proposal.

Bannon aiming for dubbs.

>>135064162
>checks flag

>>135064114
renting out property is a pretty jewish practice, yes

>>135063563
thats retarded anon. if outsourcing is cheaper, its still cheaper with more money on hand.

and again, what do personal tax rates have to do with how corporations behave?

>>135064228
>being a jew
>jewish

>>135063988
What about the businesses that aren't corporations?

>>135059977
It will be late when Americans realize/accept that their taxes will/have to go up and they will work even longer to even scratch the problem that is debt.

>>135063757
Adding ten levels of difficulty on building a successful business today won't protect the already established ones, who did it on easy mode?

Like if we added crocodile ponds in the 200m tracks would protect bolts record.

>>135059977
Lol Bannon is baiting the leftwing media into writing articles about why high progressive income taxes are bad, now that Trump admin proposed them. They are fine under Obama, but high taxes under Trump is what Putin wants or some shit.

>>135062753
Tax rates are progressive, you don't pay the top rate on all of your income, only the income you've made after you've hit the top rate.

>>135063184
Capital gains tax?

>>135060225

Going to be really fun to see them agreeing with the guy that they called a white supremacist nazi. Maybe that's why MSM hasn't run anything about this

It doesn't fucking matter. Actual rich just move their money offshore, or create a "corporation" and pay themselves minimum wage. If you can afford the kike accountants to cook your books, you aren't going to pay anyway. It's all a fucking game.

We will taxe you like Stalin fucking jews.

>>135060207
The problem isn't income taxes though. The problem is the trillions and trillions that rich dudes have offshored and refuse to bring back to circulate in American economy. Like 90% of all the money Americans have ever produced is untouchable. Can't eat a piece of that pie at all.

>>135064099
corporate tax != CEO's income tax, inbred.

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>>135064334
As always with this argument you still refuse to specify what the crocodile ponds actually are, and why they're more of a factor than the simple reality of the "free" market that I just outlined.

>>135064207
Supporting welfare increases sure is right wing. Where do you think this money will go to?

>>135059977
More taxes on the Jews? I'm okay with this. Putting the Socialism in NatSoc one step at a time

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>>135063656
>We've tried low-tax, trickle-down economics. It doesn't work.
No it fucking works, but you have to cut taxes on the poor and middle class not just the rich

>>135061932
But without the offer of governmental healthcare, even the dumbest of the consumers can associate that in the end, they won't be able to pay for a proper hospital because they wasted their salaries in fidget spinners and $1000 adidas shoes. If we don't make their work for them, their only way of survival is to acknowledge that their current way of living is dumb, and so they shall copy the way of the most successful, that's Dawkinian philosophy

>>135062753
>cause if they pass the line they will actually make less
That's not how it works, retard.

>>135060225
The name Breitbart. Breitbart is such a shitty name or trademark for anything that it sounds both degenerate and retarded all at once. MUH MBORMPMBARF

>>135064606
>the CEO's income dictates the price of products
How fucking stupid are you?

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>>135060506
This is so fucking retarded I don't know what to say.

Nigger.

>>135064606
no shit
pay yourself $1 then write off all your expenses
dinner? you mean business dinner
breakfast? you mean business breakfast
cell phone? my company pays for it
car? my company pays for it

>>135059977
What the fuck is a wrong with a flat tax?
How much of the people's money does a gov really need for Army, School, Hospital & Roads?
And that's without even considering the army uses products invented by private individuals and made by private companies, public schools are mostly shit (everywhere), public hospitals' only useful part is the ER and the roads cost too fucking much for no reason (well, except for the reason x politician's friend wants some money).
And I'm not rich but what if I keep saving my money instead of spending on all the popular shit? I've served and I'll pay for Army/School/ER/Roads until something better comes up but what the fuck did a willingly unemployed cunt ever do to produce MY money? Why does some fat fuck gets to eat from my work?

>>135064955
>>135064942
MUH SHNERZZLEBERF

>>135059977
Every time I see people, usually liberals, talk about taxes I get the impression they don't quite understand how taxation works at the higher levels.

>>135064955
They already are
They will literally attack anything Trump does

America was great when there was an 80-90% top tax bracket FYI

>>135065073
Why not. He doesnt?

>>135062310
Can't sell a product no one can afford. Maybe the rich should practice financial discipline just like the propagate the poor should.

>>135065042
Le temporarily embarrassed millionaire

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>>135065042
Taxes are going up, deal with it faggot.

>>135063154
It's not that the rich are "enslaving" us, we still have a higher HDI than the vast majority of nigger countries. It's that or corps. are selling-out to foreigners and shitting on our values.

>>135065103
(((they))) didn't like that though

>>135064751
Amerifag detected.

Socialism is right wing faggot, we kick the jews, you suck them. Have fun with zuckerbitch,

>>135064801
>The only way to have a healthy society is with catastrophic financial crisis that would lead to huge civil unrest and the suffering of hundreds of thousands of white families just so Darwinism can, over the course of several decades, weed out everyone who isn't cut out for the every-man-for-himself hellscape that is unregulated free market capitalism.

>>135065103
That was only during wartime to be fair. Bannon is probably preparing for 4th reich tbqh. USA and russia will split canada

>>135059977
Taxing ultra rich is always good.

>>135059977
Yes, do it, just to fuck over the liberals.

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>>135065073
Pic related.

As soon as Trump talked about making new tariffs and forcing companies to keep their factories in America, I saw lefties on Twitter suddenly praising globalist free trade.

>>135065065
kek, look at any thread here about taxation and you're bound to find several people who don't understand what tax brackets are.

>>135063895
>If they're complicit in the avoidance?

You know there are numerous looopholes used by the rich to avoid paying taxes r-irhgt anon?

>>135064613
Minimum wage, taxes, worker benefits, social security, tax code being impossible unless you have a good accountant, aca, overtime rules, anti discrimination, land use regulations, emissions limits, all and more are regulations big old businesses weren't subjected to, but new ones are. Building an empire today is incredibly harder than 20 years ago.

Yes it is.

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Well that Mars colony isnt going to build itself

>>135065541
>Including his family members

>>135065042
In America? Our government taps us dry for "national defense". Military spending, it's really that simple, we have the largest military budget in the world by a wide margin, and we fight proxy wars all over the world for one reason or another, they don't "need" all the tax money they take from the people, but it furthers ends. It's been like that for decades, and only increases as time goes on.

>>135065356
eh, stayed that way for a while, and even then it was at 70% when Reagan took over. I don't recall the US being a socialist hellhole back then.

>>135064020
You can't pay yourself your own printing money. When a country goes into debt they sell themselves to foreigners and rich people, but not for money, for favors. This is why banks who own government don't go bankrupt, instead you bail them out and surprisingly that creates even more debt, so they can own you some more and then when you got many rich people owning you they start to become the hidden government, who don't mind illegals working for them and somehow the most simple task of punishing employment of illegals with high financial penalties never happens and some crime boss who owns American debt will of course cause creation of laws where his business doesn't diminishes aka holes in law system. And if China owns American debt then they will have a pie too. Then with time one thinks about what's the point of debt if it chases its own tail or even what's the point of money, but the answer is simple: so that some are more important with more power, it's about power to look down upon regulars and that's the primitive satisfaction they get.

>>135064272
its only marginally cheaper because of all the import/export costs
the government also needs to knock it off with all the regulation costs for hiring americans
that way it will be cheaper to hire locally and your newly "made in usa" products are now better quality with greater demand

honest businessmen (and there is such a thing), who built their company from the ground up, would rather hire locally

>>135060535
Yeah but you can cut taxes overall and still raise them on the rich. Just reconfigure the sources. The numbers are arbitrary anyway. There's nothing set in stone about the .1% paying 38 and middle-class 30. Make it 44 and 20.

>>135063412
Daily reminder that:
- you need an army - you're not ubermensch enough to take on everyone that would want to take your stuff & kill you just because you were born German
- you need public schools - you don't have all the time in the world to educate your children properly (it's easier to correct the bullshit they learn in school than to do it all from 0)
- you need public hospitals - you really don't have the money to pay for every small problem you might have and you also don't want sick people everywhere around you
- you need public roads - where else are you gonna drive your old banged up VW? and you're not gonna build those roads yourself so pay up

>>135065571
>old businesses weren't subjected to, but new ones are
So it's not about regulations that are protecting current big businesses, but just the fact that when they were starting up, things were easier.

That's true for a lot more reasons than less regulations.

>>135065182
They will afford it with government cheques, it's the middle class (owners and workers of mostly elastic demand products) who pay for it.

People need to understand that the poor spend almost exclusively on low elasticity demand products, do while everyone pays, only the rich see a return.

>>135059977
Seeing as the majority of the rich are Jews, yeah. Steal the wealth that the Jews stole from the people, then use it against them.

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>>135060506
kill yourself, retard

>>135065798
Because cold war. It would actually be pretty cool if Trump turned out to be a literal fascist and got USA some lebenstraum. Raising taxes is the most nazi thing theyve done yet

>>135059977
yes

/ourguy/

>>135066053
Wants and needs are two different things

>>135065391
Eh it depends on your view point, I'm poor as fuck, but at the same time I don't believe in taking half the money people have earned just because they made a lot of money.

We need a special tax for libertarians, the "retard and degenate" taxe.

>>135059977
Taxing the rich more than we currently do is a fucking GREAT idea, unfortunately Democrats never want to tax the rich, they say they do but their idea of "rich" is usually people making $50,000 to $500,000, Democrats almost exclusively target the middle class with their tax schemes while carefully avoiding the income of the truly rich, it's one of the reasons why it's laughable when they bemoan people not voting "in their own interests." If Bannon thinks he can pull it off I say more power to him.

This is not going to happen, Bannon has no influence and the Republican senate would never agree to it.

>>135066216
Humanity needs developed white civilization.
Go to Australia and live with the Abos if you don't want to contribute.

>>135066256
See>>135065203

>Taxing the poor jewish billionaires
OY VEY YOU FUCKING ANTISEMITE

>>135066064
And you don't think this protects the already established ones from competition?

Earning your first dollar is hard, earning your first million dollars is hard, but from a point it gets easy as fuck to keep growing.

>>135066274
State run casinos and lotteries are in effect a retard tax so don't worry it's being covered.

>>135066385
How is that an argument?

>>135064579
>Can't eat a piece of that pie
Build wall. There were timers when main income of US budget came from tariffs.

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>>135060535
>Remember that there is no maximum amount of money we are capable of wasting
I feel like this could be the government's new slogan

>>135065718
As far as I've learned about your "national security" and the proxy wars it seems the only reason you're spending so much is all the "hearts and minds" bullshit. Someone's forgotten that you're supposed to go to war to kill the enemy and win, not to convince them to love you. If you have to do war it's pretty much settled that they don't want to love you.

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>>135059977
it needs to be a flat 50 percent
one hand for you, one hand for the ship
you are rich because of the usa, you like usa dollars, usa infrastructure and american citizens, usa stronk
but you call others lazy leeches
until the rich pay a fair share of their profits they are being subsidized by the usa
the rich don't need subsidies or tax breaks
just the opposite in fact

>>135064020
I don't know what's on American notes, but here they have "Bank of England: I promise to pay the bearer the sum of X pounds" on them. It's a broken promise since the gold standard was removed, but nevertheless it's still a statement that the bank owers you money, notes are IOUs from the bank to you, not from you to the bank.

I come from a family of wealth in Georgia. Literally everyone in my family is ok with a (reasonable) tax hike if the government would make cuts to welfare benefits.
I'm not a fan of taxes at all, but considering what time we live in they are an unfortunate but necessary evil. Incentivising unemployment with so many welfare options dangerous to the economy.

Perfectly fine with me. That way we can pay for our failing infrastructure -- albeit it will probably be eaten first by entitlements.

>>135062686
Lmao that's like nothing. That's nowhere close to wealthy and you're getting the government dick for it.

>>135059977
Yes it's true. The more taxes the rich pay the more a country prospers. The problem is libtards want to give it to niggers and useless pieces of shit. So I go with less taxes until they get their head out of their asses.

>>135066736
so what is the actual money then?

>>135059977
Its politically smart, the crucial things are low mid income, and corperate taxes, along with repatriating foreign dollars.

Ultimately/ideally all tax should be low as possible

>>135066400
The point is that's just a side-effect. What actively protects the established ones from competition is their being established.
>from a point it gets easy as fuck to keep growing
That's the nature of capitalism.
In a "free market" those ones that grow the largest are allowed to control the economy. That's why it's an illogical concept.

>>135059977
Say tax the jew and is ok

>>135066564
>not to convince them to love you.
Every country conquered by Stalin loved him. Learn proper hearts and minds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyg3vy6F-6I

>>135065203
Not an argument you communist faggot.
And I'm not rich yet but I could be.
Cause unlike you I didn't do womyn studies in school. Therefore I got a job.
And I buy what I need, not what I'm told to want.
And I save, not take other people's stuff.

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>>135066955
Same as it is in America.

>>135063656
In my heart of hearts I am a lolbertarian but in reality and in practice it is the white man's pipe dream.
There's too many vastly different kinds of Libertarianism. You have people like Ron Paul that sensibly want to limit government intervention and then you have anarchist retards like Gary Johnson that want to erase borders and let the world become a brown heap of shit.

>>135067142
>not take other people's stuff
The only way you're getting rich is by winning the lottery.

>>135066564
Nah it's not about winning a conflict, it's about prolonging and maintaining a conflict, the reasons for doing it vary from conflict to conflict and country to country, the hearts and minds shit is just some of the crap we use for that maintaining. There is not trying to win or any of that crap, war makes money and helps maintain power and resource control and all sorts of shit. What happened in Vietnam is basically what all American wars have been since.

>>135066955
Used to be gold sovereigns, now if you walk into the bank you can only exchange it of more promises of money. Regardless of how empty the promises are though, the point is that the promises go the opposite way around to what your image implied.

>>135066659
I'd be somewhat ok with that tbqh. A lot of my family's wealth isn't classed as earned income any more but it's still there.

>>135067000
Nature of capitalism is not to fuck up whoever comes 20years late to the party. Yes, established ones should have an advantage but not by preventing competition from having the same growth conditions.

Regulations/taxes are boomers shield and I can't believe young people are falling for it.

>>135059977
>2017
>still using income tax increases to go after the rich
More Jewish tricks, I see.

Raising the tax on wages only goes after the newly rich; members of the middle class who have been extremely successful and are trying to become part of the elite. The actual rich derive most of their income from dividends, capital gains, and interest from bonds. This measure is a means to prevent class mobility while appearing to be populist.

Leave the tax rates the same and treat all forms of income the same, and you'd see a massive decrease in inequality.

>>135067046
Every country conquered by Stalin loved him because it was illegal not to love him you turd.

>>135066736
When banks are private they can work with treasury and they sell themselves to themselves. Banks that are private shouldn't be regulation public property. If you got banks in Greece that are public they shouldn't employ private businessmen from USA, since they will create bankruptcy to sell themselves to themselves to become private owned banks.

>>135067432
Wasn't Trump trying for a high capital gains rate too?

Say it with me:
National.
Ordoliberalism.
It's a pragmatic fact that a level of progressive taxation is necessary to prevent society from regressing. Economic freedom means shit if you live in a South-Africa tier shithole. That includes a) if you let third worlders overrun your demographics AND b) you let your health, education and public infrastructure collapse to the point where you average citizen is forced into an african-level subsistence existence.

To maximize EFFECTIVE economic freedom, which requires a safe, civilized society, some taxation is simply a pragmatic necessity.

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>>135059977

If you're making 5 million a year, then fuck you, you deserve it.

>>135059977

I disagree economically but it would be better for the middle class, which Trump owes his election to.

And it would be hilarious to watch the Democrats kavetching over it.

>>135059977
Personally yes. Make the rich pay a fair share and cut taxes for lower and middle class. The rich won't even be phased. Now if bannon was talking like 70%+ then i would be opposed to it. Tax the rich too much and they'll just leave.

>>135060225
>ONLY 44%????
>NEEDS TO BE 100%!!! FUCK DRUMPLESTILTSKIN

>>135067659
But why?

>>135067495
>it was illegal not to love him you turd.
Now you know the easy way of wining hearts now.

>>135060506

That literally has nothing to do with personal income taxes.

Consider suicide.

>>135060506
Ceos would only outsource if
>1. they were just dicks after profit
>2.Tax insane amounts to the point where it's not worth operating in the Us.
Lower corporate tax rates raise individual taxes on the wealthy.

>>135067399
Stop clinging to that argument.
Equal opportunity has nothing to do with capitalism and you know it.
>not by preventing competition from having the same growth conditions
So you'll give them a consumer base that's the same size as the ones 20years ago? Same spending money as the ones 20years ago? Same technology available as the ones 20years ago?
If not, they're not going to have the same growth conditions. You're just latching to the regulations because it's the only way you can scapegoat the government for intrinsic flaws of capitalism.

>>135067767

Because fuck you, that's why. Be happy you have the luxury of buying a house, away from niggers and other undesirables. Not all white people have that choice.

>>135067303
You've been fooled by the propaganda of consumerism that teaches you to want more not because you need it or even want it but because everyone else must see your flash.
Rich doesn't mean having billions of $. It means having whatever much you need and not depending on others to take care of yourself and your family.

>>135061542
If the very first line isn't
>Trump wins second term
disregard everything afterwards lol

>>135059977
The fuck? What happened to 25%?

>>135059977
44% on income tax, not capital gains. Also extremely wealthy people move their money out of the us to tax safe havens where traders capitalize from low tax zones.

>>135067927
YES YES YES YES PLEASE FUCKING DO IT

>>135067931
>Im not successful like you so should lose half of the money you make.
I didn't think liberals came to /pol/

>>135068014
>it means having whatever much you need and not depending on others
My mistake, I thought we were talking about rich as in actual income level.

Anyway, unless you plan to live on an uncharted island in the middle of the fuckin' ocean, you depend on others to take care of you and your family.

>>135067931
>Not all white people have that choice.
And who made it that way? The average white guy? Or was it the government you're so happy to entrust with other people's money?

As long as there are tax havens, it doesn't matter how much we tax the rich
t. lib

>>135067931

>you make more money than me? Fuck you, bitch.

you sound like a salty little libkid, you know that right?

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>>135067927
fucking drumpftards, YOU WENT TOO FUCKING FAR!!!

So, pretty much only Jewish celebrities and nigger athletes would be hit with this? Sounds great to me!

>>135060207
>get taxes raised
>dodge the irs
>don't pay any taxes at all

great idea there champ

>>135068261
>you depend on others to take care of you and your family.
That's why I pay taxes.

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>>135067927
>mfw Trump is LITERALLY instating a jew tax

>>135061390
>Increase taxes on the rich to pay for what?
More ICE agents

>>135068257
>>135068310

I'm a poor white republican. Fuck you, and fuck minorities.

>>135067142
The rich are paying the fucking congressmen to import shitskins and turn you gay. Fuck every one of the decadent pieces of garbage

>>135068494
Nah it's for jets and tanks to bomb brown people on the other side of the world in the name of peace and democracy.

>>135068107
Isn't USA one with one of lowest taxes, also who created low tax heavens if not those same rich people who pay into it. Maybe ban them from doing it, how about it? Isn't the most easy option the most logical and best. Somebody is supporting the monarchies and somebody wrote those international law that outsourcing even is legal. After all you also need permission from country you moving into if nothing else. It just happens Americans aren't allowed to go on a vacation to North Korea and North Korean money is banned in banks. So we see it can be done.

>>135062655
Ceausescu paid all of Romania's debts to foreign countries. Took him until 1989 to do that.
Oh wait...

>>135062882
You can have as much money as you want it'll just get taxed 44%

>>135059977
>more than 5 million
yes it's a good thing

>>135059977
if his tax plan doesnt have 0% for the bottom 50% he is mega fucked.

>>135068636
We borrow money from Jew banks to do that shit.

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>>135059977
>thinking anyone with the business skills to make 5 MILLION DOLLARS a year will willingly hand over half their income
>de-incentivizing success
For fucks sake, Trump himself dodges taxes already. Bannon probably does too. What the fuck is their problem?

>>135068490
No problem, then

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>>135068569
Ah, right on, confirmed bait. Good job, you had me going for a second.

>>135068476
>get arrested

Great idea indeed.

He's referring to jews

>>135060225
>taking 44% of lebrons money?! Rayciss ass cracka

>>135068879
We borrow a lot of money to do a lot of shit, tax money goes to plenty of it, rest assured.

>>135068569
You forgot to tick the truck owner, global war...err climate change denier and wife beater boxes guy. So I don't think you are who you say you are.

>>135068945
>everything I don't like is bait

Nah, I'm being 100% serious.

>>135068895
>success is illustrated as amassing wealth and controlling as much of the economy as possible
Kys, kike.

>>135068895
>implying its skills and not cronyism and neopotism
Bluepilled molycuck detected

>>135069111

I don't care what you think. Donald is the first president I've ever voted for, and I regret nothing so far.

>>135069130
Bullshit, no one is that retarded. But I'll give you some (You)s because you actually got me and I think you're funny.

>>135059977
What we really need is an annual asset tax to replace all other tax.

>>135068954
>fly private jet into the IRS building
>can't be taxed if death took you first

>>135069251

I'm not retarded. I simply never had a chance in life. Meanwhile, all the niggers and spics are flooding the top colleges in America. What a time to be alive, and white.

>>135068895

If you tax the rich at a higher rate you get more money even after accounting for all the taxes they dodge

Maybe you should hope that "success" is disincentivized if you are too dumb to think of that but I don't know what I expected from someone who worships at the altar of "business skills" in the year 2017

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>>135069148
Right, we should give half of it to daddy goberment instead. How insightful.

>>135069148
"The beauty of me is that I'm very rich." -Donald J. Trump

>>135069165
NOT

>>135064769
>when u realize our tax code completely regressive
shit

>>135061664
Good thing they murder babies indiscriminately

>>135059977
HAHAHAHAHA

this is the guy liberals fucking demonize to no end, literally portrayed him as the grim reaper on SNL

yet he wants to tax the rich

liberals BTFO

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>>135063656
>Anti-tax rhetoric is a leftover from the Neocons.
Anti-tax rhetoric is a leftover from the days when the top marginal tax rate was 90%. Conservatives are repeating slogans from back when Jimmy Carter was in office, and before, and they've been doing it for decades without changing or stopping to think whether it's still relevant (which I suppose is why they're conservatives).

I genuinely think that a lot of the geriatrics who vote Republican don't even really grasp that anything substantive has changed about America from the 1970s. You still hear the same talking points on crime and punishment that you heard in the 1970s, when liberal judges and a crime wave made Dirty Harry look like an actual hero, rather than a psychopath with anger issues and a badge. You still hear the same talking points on the economy that you heard when America was mired in inflation and the rich were taxed over 50%. You still hear the same War On Drugs rhetoric, when science has shown that a lot of the talking points are complete bullshit. And the same 'pull yourself up by your bootstraps' spiel that they were given back when the minimum wage was the equivalent of $22 an hour, and college was a few hundred bucks a year.

These old Republicans don't seem to understand: they got their way when Reagan got into office. And America turned to shit because of it.

>>135069530
Then go ahead and give more money to the guys putting the nigs and spics over you.
Great idea friend. Kinda like police being evil and racist but they should be the only ones allowed to have guns.

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>>135069429
>one less hook-nosed parasite plundering our society
>seize all of dead guy's assets instead of just what he owed in taxes
>get to rebuild a better looking IRS building

Sounds like a win to me, desu

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>>135060506

CEOs are already outsourcing and have been doing so for fucking years, you degenerate.

>>135069314
Tax rich, tax illegals, tax church. The holy trio who doesn't produces anything visibly physical to tax, we might just remove them and just tax workers.

>>135061664
>Wal-Mart
Wal-Mart is not the only company that operates the way they do, if you got rid of all retailers that worked like Wal-Mart you would basically lose retail outlets, and prices for local goods would skyrocket which would just piss off the now much more largely unemployed masses.

>>135064099
35% is the nominal federal tax rate
Doesn't include the state tax rate. Overall could be around 40%

Small businesses have many benefits, write-offs and deductions available. Government is relatively forgiving.
Large businesses have accountants and tax lawyers on payroll and spend millions of dollars to avoid paying taxes (which saves them money obviously).
Middle-sized businesses are the ones that get fucked, big enough to not qualify for small business programs, but not enough money to dip into the many tax loopholes.

Some retard states like Washington tax on revenue instead of net income though.

>>135069555
>not knowing the historic results of income tax increases makes me retarded
Unemployed "economist" detected. Enjoy using that B. A. to post on /pol/. Also I'd like a link to a study.

>>135059977
>Is this good? I genuinely don't know.

No it's not good.

That money isn't going to be redistributed to you or to pay off our national debt. It's going to be used to keep funding welfare entitlements to niggers and keep medicare going for the boomer fucks.

Taxing the rich doesn't suddenly make your life better. If anything it would make it worse, since they now have less money to invest.

>>135061638
If it's that simple, then why aren't you raising prices right now, before tax hike, and makes even huger profits?

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>>135069562
>b-b-but I want to enjoy all the comforts and protections of large, developed civilization without having to contribute my share to the common good of that society ;'(
I can't wait until the day we get to tie you parasitic snakes to the barrels of tanks.

Republicans are fucking stupid as fuck

>compalin about taxes for like ever
>hurrr let's tax the rich now!

ok and when they offshore?

>>135069597
This isn't /ptg/, faggot.

>>135063563
Only poor people think wealthy people get their money from big payroll checks.

>>135070296
They can also inshore Mexicans. Are borders even real?

>>135070274
>fair share
Define this.

>>135059977

Rich won't settle on everything less than you, goyim, being their cattle.

Tax them or don't tax them, it doesn't matter.
They are never patriots. Never are they nationalists either. If the profits allow, they will strip your country dry and fuck off to some tropical tax haven while you, bydlo, will be forced ot deal with the mess they will left behind.

This is the nature of rich fags. This is the nature of Jews as well. Doubled, when the rich fag is a Jew as well.

>>135060506
All it does is encourage the high end rich to seek a way to move their personal income outside of federal tax reaches.
Frankly, this isn't a big change.

>>135059977
if we pass this the liberals will have nothing. They'll implode period.

>>135067912

>1. they were just dicks after profit

Every business that doesn't do it is a deviation and, in most cases, is failure.

>2.Tax insane amounts to the point where it's not worth operating in the Us.

Doesn't even needed. Theoretically, even if the general population of the united states decided that they would work for a bowl of rice and pat in the back, business would fuck off to thrid-world shithole where local niggers demand the less.

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>>135070186

I am gainfully employed and I have a degree in music thank you very much

Also no, Im not finding a study showing that rich people can't magically avoid every cent of a 5% tax increate with their magical "business skills"

>>135060506
>ceo outsources job

publicly humiliate him and charge him and his company even more taxes for outsourcing.

>>135059977
What the fuck, Bannon? I thought you were the most conservative guy in Trump's cabinet.

>>135070846
>if we pass this the liberals will have nothing. They'll implode period.

I thought taxes were evil, and like 99% of your own party disagrees.

>>135060506
I think it's past your bedtime.

>>135070632
The reasonable proportion of your personal assets that you're obligated to contribute specifically to society's interests of your own.

>>135071031
>What the fuck, Bannon? I thought you were the most conservative guy in Trump's cabinet.

He had Milo write columns on his website. He's basically a liberal.

>>135071068
instead of your own*

>>135070677
Problem of money, debt, borders, illegals is only one, not money, the fact that goyim isn't in control. No system will ever work, no tax will ever work for goyim if goyim isn't in control. Laws and constitution is worth toilet paper if laws don't work for everybody the same and/or aren't enforced.

>>135065889
>being this naive
wew come on sport

>>135059977

Is it good? Depends.

How is the tax money specifically benefiting the people?

Is it paying off the national debt?

Is it being filtered back to the people under Charles Murray's UBI plan? This would increase competition of which Big Tech has little of.

>>135070107
>local companies need more labour to make up for demand
>start hiring people
>wages increase
>suddenly people can afford local product
>if they can't they find alternatives and go back to making stuff themselves and learning skills

Wow it's almost like there's not a single negative consequence arising from killing international corporations.

GOP civil war incoming.

>>135067046

>Every country conquered by Stalin loved him.

И пocмoтpи, чeм этo кoнчилocь. Ecли б Cтaлин нe игpaл в дpyжбy нapoдoв, a paздaвaл бы пиздюлeй зa "шaг влeвo-шaг впpaвo", кaк этo дeлaют CШA, тo лимитpoфы любили бы CCCP нe иpoничнo, c фигoй в кapмaнe, a тaк, кaк oни этo дeлaют c CШA - oблизывaя тyфли бeлым гocпoдaм.

Пoтoмy чтo бeлый гocпoдин мoжeт и хpeбeт пepeлoмaть, ecли ты нe бyдeшь вылизывaть тyфли тщaтeльнo.

B этoм и ecть ycпeх внeшнeй пoлитики CШA. И фeйл пoлитики CCCP и Poccии.

>>135071068
Okay so now can you explain how exactly the government uses all tax money "for the good of society".

>>135060225
Next time on red- ..pol/
>ha Trump wants to increase immigration
>wonder how liberals will turn this
>see liberuls!!!! he is not racist!
>immigration is actually good because we need immigrants to do the job americans won't do
>fuck Trump is so pragmatic i love him

>>135071463
>Okay so now can you explain how exactly the government uses all tax money "for the good of society".

Dropping bombs in the middle east is for the good of society! XD

>>135071395
Riiight, and now what do people do in the interim? Explain how we go from where we are now, to where you want is to go and what proposals should be made to get there, because you have a pretty delusional idea of how this would all occur.

>>135071463
You're asking me to define what "public spending" is?

>>135059977
>Is this good? I genuinely don't know
15 year olds of pol

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>>135071600
Whatever Trump says /r/the_pol larps like the sheep they are.

>Trump supports LGBTs!
>Yeah!
>Trump doesn't support LGBTs!
>Yeah!
>Trump supports lower taxes
>Yeah!
>Trump supports higher taxes (on YOU, not him)
>Yeah!
>Trump opposes DACA
>Yeah!
>Trump keeps DACA
>Yeah!
>Trump wants to keep Assad in power
>Yeah!
>Oh wait he now wants him removed
>Yeah!

>>135059977
>young, single white male
>no children
>~30k gross income
>1/3 taken by taxes

Go ahead, tax the shit out of them. They make more than enough, they won't feel the same kind of pain I have anyway.

>>135071745
No I'm asking you how getting more of people's money into the hands of the government is going to improve the quality of the people's lives in the society they are taking the money from. You don't seem to understand how taxes are spent in the US.

I hope they do so Republicans lose in a landslide in 2018. Their base will revolt.

>>135059977
Tax the rich. Do not tax their companies. It is very simple. You don't want brain drain.

>>135071879
>pol is only /ptg/
Oh wow, you prob support trannies, right?

>>135071656
You could say they stolen some things from other society to bring them to your society, but it's more like they steal from other society and enrich themselves. If only international merchants knew what society aka country is, they don't see much borders. Borders and flags exist for goyim so goyim keeps on working in disbelief of great society and builds society where international merchant leeches can claim ownership of.

>>135071127
Good luck forcing that.

>laws don't work for everybody the same and/or aren't enforced.

Ironically, the only regime that came close to that was USSR. Simply because of the intrapartial fight before WW2.

Februrary revolution (The temporary government by Kerensky) was declaring this too, but this shit was built on conveniently forgetting the number of policemen, naturally, lynched by "revolutionarees".

Kerensky afterwards bragged that February revolution was "bloodless", kek.

>>135072100
How is this board not dumb enough to have a hive mind cult worship of this man? I've yet to see any serious criticism of him or his cabinet on here.

>>135067200
there's something unimpressive about american military drills. Lack of discipline? unity? the fact they're a bunch of mongrels?

>>135072249
>I've yet to see
Where the fuck have you been lately?
Reddit?

>>135060506
You forgot your retard flag. Here use mine.

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>>135069788
a little perspective

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>>135072341
I don't know, I don't browse that place, but I do browse here and the Trump dick riding is as strong as ever.