Reminder that tradcucks are fucking stupid. They want you to

>>135055269
MGTOW is a great way to live. Just make sure to donate your sperm so you're not contributing to the death of the white race.

>>135055269
im a tradcuck and mgtow in the same time
what now?

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When will you realize you idiots are in the wrong?
All the traducuks can ever seem to say is "just find the right one." There is no right one. Why don't you understand? A MAN STANDS TO LOSE EVERYTHING IN MARRIAGE WHILE A WOMEN STANDS TO WIN EVERYTHING.

Teбe-тo лeгкo гoвopить, ты живёшь в cтpaнe гдe poдитeли бeз пpoблeм мoгyт пoмoчь c HEBECTOЙ, тoгдa кaк y нac этoт инcтитyт yжe пpaктичecки oтмep.

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Women have no concept of loyalty. You are disposable and simply serve as a source of resources.

>>135055580
Dude, I'm so frustrated right now. In a traditional society I at least would married yet.

>>135056157
How is marriage over there, Ivan? Are the memes true?

>>135055269
THEN GO YOUR OWN WAY
FUCK OFF ALREADY

>>135056653
I wrote about it in Russian >>135055745
. Don't you speak it?

Yes, women are solipsistic creatures that ruin everything they touch. Yes, the current legal landscape is lopsided in her favor. Yes, one could argue a man gets very little out of marriage while standing to lose a lot. But all of that is irrelevant, as it's your duty to continue the white race by marrying a white woman and having children. You are a genetic failure if you don't.

>Beautiful girl dances with me at country-western style bar
>she leaves with a fat hairy gross guy who fucks her twice
>Feel disillusioned
>2 months later go back to that bar
>She's there
>She makes out with 9/10 tall blond chad guy

I'm starting to think it's not my fault.

>>135055445

>implying the average person can even donate
>implying the average bloke will even have their DNA desired by another woman

>>135055269
As a social conservative myself I can confirm that tradcucks are on another planet. This is not the 1950s and there is no argument against MGTOW looking at the average modern women. I don't like MGTOW either but we need to change the culture that pushes them to the margins of society instead of blaming them for acting out of self-interest
MGTOW is a symptom, not the disease

>>135055580
You fucking coward. Not man enough to take a risk to spread your genes? Good, more for the rest of us. Enjoy dying without establishing the only legacy that matters.
And don't even say you will just pump and dump and leave single moms to raise your sons and daughters or worse let them abort them.
Either way you are a failure at life and the only that objectively matters in it: spreading your genes and continuing the species and raising your progeny to be better than you are.

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>>135055269
>implying i have any kind of wealth

>>135057071
I so fucked loved a girl (she was in my uni group) from a such small town that it's non-ironically a big villiage officially.
Even as a villiage girl she is so fucking good at her style and has amazing voice. She has ukrainian roots.

But she choosed a guy from a richer family.

I saw a dream about her yesterday.

I don't wanna to say that I still love her, but it seems that I can't forget yet.

Also people are saying that you have to have a good work..

faggots

I had a work. And I ruined it, because had no gf

It's hard to explain why. But it's true story

>>135057020
>>135057652
Kek oh boy
>Y-y-you HAVE to enter this suicide pact where you have a 50% chance of losing all your shit bcuz muh birthrates!!!
If marriage is really that important, fix the culture that's destroyed it instead of bitching about MGTOW

>>135057020
i honelsty cant tell if you are joking or not. are tradcuks really thiss mental? knwoing you are going to get fucked in so many ways but still go ahed with it because it's somehow your "duty"

>>135058200
You basically summed up why MGTOW is a thing: marriage is not in a man's best interest and you can't force people to go against their interests

>>135057982
After you, bitch boy. Raise your daughter not to be a whore and your son to raise his daughters to be better women too. If you want things to change you have to begin changing them yourself instead of giving up and taking your ball home with you like a little boy and waiting for someone else to change things. Be a man and take responsibility for the small part of humanity you can actually influence and mold.

>>135057982
>If marriage is really that important, fix the culture that's destroyed it instead of bitching about MGTOW
This requires men working as a group, which is already a hard thing due to all of the white knights. It's nearly impossible if more men check out of society. Don't sit there lecturing us if you're not willing to put in the effort too.

>>135057750
>>135057071
i've had a comparable experioence before. girlfriend met what people here call chad and she ended up breaking it wiht me, claiming she just didn't feel it anymore. sure enough she was with him almost immediately

>>135056157
And yet, here we are in a non trad one

Wait, you guys are either

A: incels who are pretending its their choice not to "deal" with women
B: guys who admittedly know they can't keep a woman from leaving them
C: Juden

And you're calling someone else a cuck?

>>135058444
>>135058589
Ahh more commentary from the beta hivemind
>P-p-participate in this broken system you have no role in creating so future generations may have it marginally better than you!
Nah. Honestly "checking out of society" puts far more pressure on the system than you cucks who provide for it with your time and money

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z760XNy4VM

stay mad i m a beautiful one , you fags will kill eachother

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>>135055269
I can pay a woman to bear my child under contract that she's not the legal mother and no rights to her


Why bother with women that are fucking costly anyway?

>>135059619
It's more beta to give up rather than fight to change things. Giving up isnt brave or alpha. It's cowardly and just adding to the problem you want to change.

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MGTOW and feminism are two sides of the same coin.

Both are meant to create infighting between the sexes, and both are meant to lower birth rates and destroy the institution of marriage. Both feminists and their counterpart are concerned with ideas of (((Marxist))) egalitarianism which are impossible to achieve. Life has always been about taking risks and making investments, and some parts of society being unfair, but people still persevered.

Independence has long been something a lot of men value, making a movement out of it goes against the whole point since it reeks of attention-seeking, which isn't independence or "going your own way". You're not making any profound statement, you're just refusing to get into a long-term relationship, which takes no effort at all and anyone can do it.

MGTOW don't even try to fix the marriage laws or any legitimate problem they're complaining about, they just say "fuck women and children altogether, shit's fucked", which isn't productive, and is usually just men who can't get laid looking for something to vent and rationalize their frustrations.

You know it's possible to get into a relationship and have kids without getting married right?

>>135059619
>/r9k/ MGTOW calling any beta cucks

Holy fuck, neck yourself.

99% of MGTOWs are too beta (or even omega) to get laid or keep their woman in check, and they're actual cuckolds who watch other men and foreigners destroy their society and take their women while they just watch it and do nothing.

I'm not getting married until marriage is fixed. It's too bad MRA movement gets fuck all done.

>>135055269
grow a pair of balls coward

>>135060670
The MRA movement is just controlled opposition. They get fuck all done because they're not supposed to.

>>135060603
go aheaad and fix it . i ll wait . oh yes i ll wait untill i die cause you won t fix this . also yes it s possibile to get into a relationship without getting married , but even SO , if she leaves you the JUDGE will still give her all the benefits

>>135060948
Then shit is fucked. It's actually kind of shocking how dismissive some people are here about marriage.

>>135061204
the problems with marriage*

>>135055269
>Reminder that once you are married, your wife can divorce you any time she wants for any reason she wants and in the process take your money, your house, your kids, and to top it all off, she is entitled to alimony and child support.

what is a "prenup?"

>>135055269
I've never even heard of your country

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>>135059042
I hope women do program sex bots they don't even want and get angry at them. It might force women to finally confront and resolve the contradictions in their thinking.

>>135059435
Fuck off, HitlerYouthBoi.

>>135061417
>what is a "prenup?"
Granted, something that is not very reliable especially when not drafted by a good lawyer. Judges look for any reason to throw them out, and they will not protect everything.

>>135055269

Until five million men march on parliament and demand either revolution or the overthrow of woman suffrage, nothing will change in our society - whether that be mass immigration, socialism, or unfair marital laws.

There's a lot of issues with it, but from a pragmatic POV, the issue is that it's white men giving up on society and decided to hide away and not have children. Do I need to explain why this is an issue, in the current society?

Honestly, I wouldn't give a shit if there was a fraction of men who just wanted to give up and die off if we lived in a homogeneous society with no demographic issues. But that's not the world we live in. We are being replaced and our birthrates are too low. And then on top of this, we have tons of ACTUALLY REDPILLED men decided to end their genetic legacy instead of having lots of children and making sure those children grow up redpilled and traditional

>>135055269
RARE

unfair marital laws and the rampant divorcing of husbands "just because" come partially from the welfare state and people voting for their own benefit rather than the benefit of families

have an actual family and instill family values into your wife and youll be doing your part

giving up and dropping out is the bitch way out

>>135061417
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3525528/Judges-say-ignore-pre-nups-unless-couple-rich-Warning-majority-agreements-waste-time-courts-instead-base-decisions-fairness.html

>>135055269
Look faggot, you either make white babies, or admit you're just another genetic dead end LARPing as an American white nationalist because you have literally nothing better to do with your life in your second world shithole

>>135061731
Heh, look at the Women's March and things like that. They are so ready to whine about things that don't matter, yet men do nothing.

>>135061974
>people voting for their own benefit
>voting pls rape me in the divorce court
>for you own benefit
>freedom is slavery

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>>135055269

>he never heard of a pre-nup

>>135062171
>you either make white babies
Men can't make babies. Yet. Only women can hav babies, don't they teach this in school?

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>>135055269
>tfw I started dating a pastor's daughter in jr. College
>7/10 and wore weird clothes and no makeup
>virginal and devoted
>1st boyfriend
>perfect pure future wife
God's glory can still reach you if you let it cuckboys

why do mgtows insult tradcons and why do tradcons insults mgtows?

they're not mutually exclusive whatsoever. in fact there is bound to be a ton of overlap. you can possess traditional, conservative social views while also recognizing the current state of western society and "go your own way", in the sense that you abstain from the endemic, degenerate hook up culture while you look for a woman worthy of being a wife/mother for your kids

this is like libertarians/ancaps arguing with paleo cons and other right wingers. you guys are on the same team, quit infighting.

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>>135061417
Prenup is putting fire out with gasoline.
Does no one question the fact that you don't trust each other before getting married to stick with it?
Then what is the point of marriage in the first place if you don't have trust for each other to begin with, it's ridiculous.

>>135057427
This

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>>135055269
MGTOW are genetic dead ends. Omegas males who blame society for their lack of success with women, and use hyperbole about muh degenerate women to justify it when in reality they've never actually been in a relationship before.

But it's a self-correcting problem. Pic related.

>>135062199

Unfortunately, pornography, masturbation, and the feminized culture have made the vast majority of men into weak, broken slaves.

>>135062264
>He doesn't know that pre-nups are regularly thrown out in court

>>135061417
Prenups are easily breakable these days, the courts are littered with the wrecks of men who trusted a prenup. Especially if there are kids. Any decent lawyer will tell you that - if they tell you otherwise, they're trying to rack up billable hours.

The only way to keep money safe in a marriage is to hide it offshore, or put your assets in a trust before marriage, then only the stuff you make during the marriage is contested, as it's marital property.
To correct the person you were posting to, alimony is rare these days, it fell out of usage when no contest divorce came along. It's also not guaranteed she gets the house, there is no rule in any court about that, it's negotiated by both sides, by $200 an hour lawyers on both sides. Generally men will allow the mother to stay in the home until the children are grown - if there are no kids the house is sold and the money split, or one buys the other out. Dividing up assets in a divorce is not a set in stone rule, that's why you need a good lawyer for the negotiation part.
But she can leave at any time, forbid access to the kids until the divorce is final, but once the divorce is final, husbands do have negotiated visitation rights, and often the parent who gets primary custody can't leave the state without the ex's permission. Of course this is abused. It's complicated, and keeps lawyers in business.
I say, get rid of no fault. If the wife cheats, then she gets nothing. Make her put her future on the line. That might bring down the number of cheating wives, right there.

>>135061974
No, it comes completely from no fault divorces. Period. None of this shit would be going on if they'd never allowed it.

>>135062709
Success with women doesn't make kids. Charley Sheen slept with how many women? Thousands? How any kids he have? 4? Pathetic result. Most kids have not dating men but sperm donors.

>>135062588
Prenups are really only for existing assets, and for things like family land and houses, businesses, things like that. A prenup doesn't cover anything made during the marriage, and are easily broken by lawyers all the time.

If you trust a prenup for anything during the marriage, you wasted the money drawing it up.

If there are kids, the judge can and will completely disregard the prenup when computing child support.

>>135057176
What do you think will women ask for when they go look for sperm? They'll want a fit, about 185cm, white man

>>135061974
>have an actual family and instill family values into your wife and youll be doing your part
literally no one on /pol/ is going to argue this, leaf.

the bottleneck in this equation is finding a woman you can start a healthy and stable family with

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>Yes, don't get married or have children, goyim.

>>135061417
A useless piece of paper since family courts aren't aiming for justice

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>>135060603
>>135061418
>>135063922

>>135057001
It's an obvious proxy tardo
another slide thread with a look at muh flag OP faggot

>>135062525
Exactly. I would be tradcon if we simply reversed women's suffrage and restored responsibility

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>>135064426

>>135063852
>the bottleneck in this equation is finding a woman you can start a healthy and stable family with

just because its hard doesnt mean you should give up

>>135063309
no fault divorce, and any kind of divorce would fuck over any woman with low SMV (and arguable any woman period) without the welfare state

>>135063852
That's the crapshoot, right there. The women I know who married, had kids, and stayed in their marriages until now (I'm old), are the ones who married up right after high school or college, and their husbands were their first or second lover. Once a woman learns how easy it is to get laid, and to replace a guy, she's then unmarryable. The women who stayed married also bloomed later in life, they were nerdy or geeky and shy in high school and college, were not 8, 9, or 10's, and were not party girls.

The older they get, the worse the odds are. Anything after 30, it's like taking every penny you have, and the deed to your home, and putting it all on red on the roulette table in Vegas. It's a sucker bet.
If you don't get divorced, you'll be miserable, and trapped. I watched all my cousins go from fun, happy, adventurous guys, to miserable people who hide in the corner at family parties, complaining about their wives and children, looking over their shoulders all paranoid that SHE'S listening. They don't hang out, they don't visit, and their cunt wives get cat butt face if they talk to the wrong relatives, and yank them out of the party, and scream at them outside.

Yeah, I'm missing SO MUCH. Their kids hate them, they're being crushed by debt, any hobbies they had are long gone, and IF they have a spare hour after the Honey Do list on weekends, they can watch a football game and have A beer. They take overtime or second jobs to get out of the house. Now I know why my uncle started a house painting business on the side as a cop, and hired all his male relatives.

>>135055269
Reminder fembot wives are in the very near future
>>135055561
you kill yourself

>>135062255
voting for the benefit of the individual over the benefit of the family/kids

just because youre free to fuck up society doesnt mean you should
and when the fuck did i say it was slavery

fuck right off

>>135064844
kek, this.

>>135064865
Because it's impossible to write equitable divorce laws. Right? Shut the fuck up, SJW.

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>>135057652
>muh legacy
the universe can eat a bag of dicks

>>135057427
Gud poast

>>135055269
MGTOW is good for society.

>>135057652
I'd rather focus on becoming immortal

>>135066228
>voting for the benefit of the individual
How no fault divorce and lifestyle alimony do benefit men/husbands as individuals again? And why should they vote for that?

>and when the fuck did i say it was slavery
It was reference to doublethink contradiction liberal thinking who call things by opposite of their nature.

>>135067335
>men no longer supporting society so it crumbles is good for society
Please elaborate.

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>>135067589
>men no longer supporting society so it crumbles is good for society
Yes.

>>135067535
they dont. women vote that way and women outvote men

i shoudlve said that before, my bad

>>135055269
To all the cucks here. Want to reverse mgtow tomorrow? Take away no fault divorce instead of shaming men into entering these suicide pacts called marriage.

>>135063562
You can draft a prenup to basically leave your wife as she was before she entered the marriage. The only thing you can't get out of contractually is paying child support.

>>135068226
>no fault divorce
even eliminating alimony and "child support" that isn't child support would encourage men to take more risks

>>135057652
Enjoy spending the rest of your life in jail (if you refuse to pay child support or can't afford it) or 18 years of your life raising a kid that will probably end up being a non-binary masculine transgender woman in today's society.

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>>135057750
Holy fuck that broken english makes your post exemplify your true slavic soul.

We westerners are so souless compared to you.

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>>135064844
MGTOW memes are a million times more funny than anti-MGTOW memes.

>>135057652
>Propagate genes
>Wife gets bored of you
>Divorces your ass
>Kid grows up to be another confused fucktard and adds to the rank of leftists
Good going dumbfuck.

>>135067589

Because you live in a democracy, women (and their orbiters) vote. They vote more than men, and they vote for gibs from men.

Therefore, no matter what you fucking do, women will always dominate society.

You can't take away their right to vote, to prevent them from dominating men and they aren't going to vote away their own voting rights.

So the only way to fix this problem IS to have society crumble. It is the only time we can take away their voting rights by force.

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>>135069190

hurt durr don't get married, don't have children, be a good goy

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>>135062525

MGTOWs are closer to liberals in a lot of cases.

They don't care about traditions, they just care about their personal issues, and they just want women to be held to high standards while men should be held to low standards. They usually don't want to hold their part of the deal in traditional gender relations. Feminists want women to be "liberated" and for men to be screwed, MGTOW just wants men to be "liberated".

They promote low birth rates and for white people not to have children, that's the main issue. They promote inaction instead of self-improvement and action, again that goes against the whole thing.

Not only that but they keep attacking even redpilled women instead of kikes or leftists (because they care more about their issues with women than real enemies, Islamization, fixing things or saving the West), they keep falling for the character assassinations against them, and just make everyone look bad.

Anti-feminism and not letting women act like cunts is fine, but they take it to a level where it doesn't lead anywhere.

>>135060116
If you think having kids is alpha you need to rethink your definitions of alpha.

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>>135057750
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wAefHzBKvI

this one's for you, sergei

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>>135069395
If you want me to breed my white seeds, fight for divorce reformation!

Oh wait...you don't want that, you want me to "man up".

>>135057652
Holy shit im glad to not be this braindead. MGTOW is god

>>135069395
be a good goy and get married so divorce court lawyers can get rich and you "pure aryan church qt" rides the cock carousel on your money.
Do it for the HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH'white race

>>135060603
>You know it's possible to get into a relationship and have kids without getting married right?
Not in most western countries. If you cohabitate with a woman you are considered married in most countries/states after a few years. You will also have to pay child support if you separate even if you don't fall into common law marriage.

>>135069581
how about stop worring about a divorce that hasn't even occured and stop buying into this beta enabling psyops

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>>135055269
>second new flag of the day
Today is a good day.

>>135069975
>stop worrying about the coinflip that might result in you having to live out of your car
Yea no.

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>>135070220
>You might fail, so just don't even try

This reasoning is what's destroying western civilization. Men no longer wanting to take risks

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>>135055269
I have never in my life been alerted to your countries existince.

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Are you sure you're not a woman?

Yes, being a man is hard, dangerous, and thankless. It frequently means dying horribly for things inside your control and outside your control. It has always meant this, and always will. You don't seem to like the idea, maybe you'd be more comfortable as a woman.

>>135070349
>the problem is men don't want to man up
And people call MGTOW the same as feminism.

>>135069395
Serious question, do you think having a kid and trying to raise it right means it won't turn out fucked up?
Especially if you end up getting divorced like almost half of all married people in the US.
Something needs to change, the least you could do is provide an argument that makes sense beyond shaming (young men are immune to that nowadays, haven't you heard?) and memes.

>>135070378
>finn posting a hapa's comics
hm...

>>135055269

>tfw wife demanded a divorce but found out she couldn't file yet because she moved states and dropped her citizenship for New York.
>tfw I'm dropping work to go to college now so she can't demand alimony or child support because I'll have $0 income while using my GI Bill
>divorce proceedings can't start now until I'm back from Korea.

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>>135070096
>y-your a virgin!!1!
I detected your stinky cunt from miles away

>>135069975
And im taking about your life, not somebody elses divorce. You have to be a real fool to allow somebody elses shitty circumstances prevent to from living a happy life. Most people who get married dont have a divorce.

>>135055269
MGTOW is for jewish puppets

Find a good wife, they exist you fucking idiots

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>>135070349
wpww

>>135070349
Taking risks when it comes to genetics is exactly what causes the downfall of society anon.
When a lasting marriage is literally a coin toss, you're gonna need better arguments to convince men that it's worth it.

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>>135069975
That's the thing isn't it? I'd love to have the the love of a woman that is undying, ever-lasting.

I'd die for a Juliet of my own, but the sad truth is that 99.9% of the modern women require you to betray who you are as a man, and to act in accordance to their expectations. Break their expectations and act like your own man, they will damage you as much as they can.

Imagine being so much of a worm that you betray who are you are for decades until, even after you've held back and not acted like you have an independent soul--she still fucken divorces you and takes everything.

After all that effort of trying to please her, saying "yes dear", keeping up with her demands, she still takes you for granted and never rewards you for your efforts.

I will never let myself succumb to that.

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>>135070596
It only takes making an observation to see that quite a lot of MGTOW are men who can't attract women.

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>>135070652
Yeah , they're called fembots

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>>135070768
JUST MAN UP GOY

>>135064865
Agreed. Women marry for resources. Feminism and statism go hand in hand because what women used to get from men (resources), they now get from the state thanks to women's suffrage.

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>>135070886
It's always been the task of men to take the risk, it's in our DNA. If not for our ancestors taking risks we wouldn't have civilization in the first place. Why do you feel like you should avoid doing what men have always done?

Also, stop assuming the worst. Not everyone is going to get divorced, and nor is every divorce bad.

>>135070886
>the idea of maning up is joke to him
You sound far gone, enjoy be alone at 70 because muh scary divorces that could possibly maybe happen at a chance.

>>135069975
>Stop worrying Anon
>No I will not be paying your child support should you divorce or mitigate your risks anyway
>But you should do what I WANT and get married.

Kys

Fix the law. Do not die childless. For Americans it starts by contacting your state legislature. Tell them to watch Divorce Corp. Keep contacting your state legislature, and tell others to do, as well.

>>135071177
>If not for our ancestors taking risks we wouldn't have civilization in the first place.
Our ancestors didn't take risks on their partners though (outside of the obvious genetics side).
Women were always subservient, they didn't have divorce and had a strong religious foundation, so that risk regarding women pretty much didn't exist.
It was in a man's interest to marry due to societal pressure, the benefits of raising a child in a two-parent household, and the general roles of men and women.
In the modern world, the societal pressure is gone, and now thanks to the power of the state, welfare, and the behavior of women (thanks in part to subversive kikes), marriage has become a lot less attractive for men.
It's no longer an 80-90% positive, it's more like a 50-60% positive.
>and nor is every divorce bad.
Every single divorce is bad.

>>135069134
Can't when the gibs dry up women will have to be good to men again.

>>135071338
>50% of marriages end in divorce
>50%=1/2=1 out of 2
>muh scary divorces that could possibly maybe happen at a chance.

You don't into maths very well.

MGTOW is for beta cucks who believe "redpill" refers to "We are strong independent men who don't need no woman".... Both feminism and MGTOW are two sides of the same shekel.... NO WHITE BABIES!!

>>135071506
Your problem is that you KEEP ASSUMING that there WILL be a divorce when you haven't found a girl yet, not that you're even looking.

>>135071591

Why don't you just go knock up some women and run out on them, then? Offspring with a higher chance of being fucked up is better than no offspring.

>>135071844
50% of marriages end in divorce. 50%=1/2=1 out of 2. Assuming there will be a divorce is a safe assumption.

>>135071844
The fact that the option of getting divorce raped exists is scary enough. I don't want to spend the rest of my life walking on eggshells hoping some thot doesn't just change her mind and take my shit.

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>>135071177
>Risk 50% of your shit on a 2:1 odds game

Naw cunt.

>>135071844
He's not assuming anything, he's looking at the statistical reality that nearly half of all marriages end in divorce.
To ignore that is on par with ignoring IQ differences between the races.
It's like saying "Well, you keep ASSUMING that a nigger would murder you, so I don't see why you don't want to live among them."
>>135071991
>Offspring with a higher chance of being fucked up is better than no offspring.
No, not really, American niggers a prime example of why that's not true.

>>135071674

You do realize that people can get married more than once, right? And that second marriages have a much higher rate of failure (thus adding to the misleading statistic)?

MGTOW and feminism are two sides of the same shekel.

>>135072101

Are you some kind of civnat cuck? If so, r/t_d is that-a-away.

>>135070652
Sure they do. And there's one out there for every guy.

>>135072066
You have to compare divorces per year to marriages per year not divorces per year to total number of married people.

>>135070349
Take a risk Anon! Do it for the white race:
>50% divorce rate
>75% divorce rate if she makes more than you.

That is not including the ~10% drop for every sexual partner she had.

I hope you burn in a fire.

>>135072184
The fuck are you talking about?
What about my post points to any kind of civnat shit?
I flat out stated that I don't want to live around niggers because they're dumb and are likely to fucking kill you.

>>135071727
>>135072121
>both posts identical
>4 mins apart

Are you triggered females raiding us from a discord or something?

>>135072121
>tfw too masculine to reproduce

>>135055269
The only way tradcons can save western society and impose their values is by taking the vote away from women.

MGTOW brothers, tradcons won't do that. Women are too free and have their primal instincts unleashed thanks to it, they won't give up their power. Jordan Peterson is doing a good job on their side by trying to bringing back classical western values and researching the meaning of the biblical stories on a contemporary context, but I don't think it's enough to save western civilization. At best, there will be civil war, at worst, women destroy our old world order and deliver it to the supranational institutions such as ONU and EU.

We were born too late to enjoy the stable patriarchy and too early to see the shitshow post-modernism will bring. We shall watch the shitshow, invest wisely, prepare for the worst, and stay strong. If you are relatively young (have at least 40 years living in this world), then we need to prepare for radical changes. Buy land on stable countries, buy metals, buy cryptos. Be prepared for the destruction of tradicitonal financial systems.

>>135072321

>the fatherless children of white people are just the same as the fatherless children of black people

You sounds pretty civnat.

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>>135071991
That sounds like what something jews want...


Sasha Grey grew up without a father--we know how that ended--she became a cock sleeve for jews in the jewish porn industry.

>when women prefer feelings over reality so you do the same by preferring to be a hedonist over reproducing

>>135072457
The fatherless children of white people are vastly inferior to the fathered children of white people, and the fatherless children of white people are VASTLY more liberal too.
So basically, you're saying we should be producing more liberals?
Great idea anon, sounds great.

>>135072118
Well aware. I know one woman on her third marriage and another on her second. I also know many men who have been through at least one marriage. Some of these men are foolish enough to try marriage again, but most are not. The statistic is not misleading. Half of marriages end in divorce. Half.

>>135070349
HAHAHA this is the apex agrument that tradcons have. Just man up. You may end up living out of your fucking car having lost everything you ever worked for but whatever

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>>135056017

meh. Women weave a web of emotional bullshit to justify objectively evil behavior. Men weave a web of convoluted reasoning to justify objectively evil behavior. Different methods, same end result.

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>>135069663

Reminder that divorce rates have been steadingly decreasing for the last decades (since the sexual revolution), and that you're getting worried over something that might not even happen. Everything you do in life involves taking risks, that doesn't mean you should stop trying.

>>135069822

Canada has pretty lax laws about divorce. Since you tend to have more fair family court, you can win as long as you don't have do something wrong like become an alcoholic or abuse her.

Speaking of cohabitation, there's a huge correlation between cohabitation before marriage and the likelihood of divorce, so keep that in mind. Take all the data about marriage and divorce in mind, and how to have successful relationships instead of writing off the whole thing.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/in-the-name-love/201303/does-cohabitation-lead-more-divorces
>The major reason supporting premarital cohabitation is that it enables the couple to get know each better and to see whether they get along well enough to embark on marriage. However, counter-intuitively, many studies have found that premarital cohabitation is associated with increased risk of divorce, a lower quality of marriage, poorer marital communication, and higher levels of domestic violence. But there are also studies (although less in number) that refute the negative correlation between premarital cohabitation and divorces.

>>135070402
every time i see a post like this i am 100% convinced a man did not write this

>>135057701
hehehe! Cute Pepe!

>>135072466
Why do I fine it ironic that you used a pornstar as an example?

>>135071844

Not only do you ignore the high rate of divorce, you also ignore the MANY consequences of a divorce.

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>>135072349
Right!?! This feels very systematic...

Feels very psy-op.

>>135072703

Forgot relevant link for my first response:

http://time.com/4575495/divorce-rate-nearly-40-year-low/
>Divorce Rate in U.S. Drops to Nearly 40-Year Low

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>>135072118

>>135058589
To be honest, I'd rather kill myself, than work with Involuntarily celibates or "Men Sent Their Own Way". Many men would do it too.

>>135072828
Please archive or screenshot https://archive.is/lnNIw

>>135059435
>either.

They are all of them, otherwise they wouldn't need some validation from the internet.
It's simple as 2+2.

In ancient Greek mythology, there were originally only men. Women were created by Zeus as a punishment for men, a temptation that clouded men's minds and led to evil. Ever noticed how your desire for a girlfriend evaporates after you jerk off? Your mind knows the true nature of women whether you accept it or not. Don't let your dick think for you. Even people 3000 years ago knew this.

>>135072579
>The fatherless children of white people are vastly inferior to the fathered children of white people

So? You're not choosing one over the other.

>So basically, you're saying we should be producing more liberals?

More liberals get produced regardless. You're arguing that none of them should be white. Sounds pretty civnat.

>>135068587
Being that I made the right choice when i married, that wont be happening. Keep making excuses to remain a manchild

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>>135057750
Good work on your English, Boris. You have a ways to go but you get the point across

I don't care if you get married or not. I just want you to stop parading around going on about the authority of women over men in relationships. Just because you don't have any balls to put a women in her place and you lack foresight and married a complete tramp doesn't imply all relationships are like that. Have a bit integrity you mong

>>135055269
>at the mercy of your wife

Only if you're a cuck faggot who can't keep a bitch in line. Please, don't breed. We need fighters for the future. Your kind doesn't have a place there.

>>135072703
>Reminder that divorce rates have been steadingly decreasing for the last decades (since the sexual revolution)
Gee, I wonder if that's because marriage rates have also been steadily decreasing.

>>135072987
oh wtf i hate cumming inside now

>>135073099
Daily reminder that every men who has ever gotten divorced thought that he made the right choice. Hopping it works out for you just don't be surprised if it doesn't.

>>135069512
>spreading your genes and ensuring the continuation of your species isn't alpha.
Goddamn, what a failure you are

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MGTOWs do have a point with the legal system being the way it that it is. The problem with it is the defeatist attitude. Normies don't understand that the jews orchestrated an orwellian world that we have today so maybe MGTOW is started off wholesome. They do have point that the legal system is F'd these days, girls are f'd these days and if there's a latch out of this sinking ship their using it. They don't realize that they've been fed the blue pill all their lives. But if you are in this thread and you're not a shill don't you think this world is worth fighting for?

>>135073069
>You're not choosing one over the other.
You are actually, the point is to get the laws to the point where men WANT to be fathers, otherwise this downward spiral will just continue until we're replaced by niggers (or more likely spics/mudslimes).
>More liberals get produced regardless. You're arguing that none of them should be white.
Traitors are always worse than a nigger.
A liberal white won't wake up until it's too late.

>>135072703
Canada has a terrible set of divorce laws. If you cohabitate for 6 months, you're on the hook as if you were married.

>>135073324
Sorry I should have said getting married. My bad.

>>135073172
Every man can keep his bitch inline...

The problem is the legion of white knights (cops) that would stop you.

Western women are shit because western men are shit and allow it. It's a cliche but you have to be the change you want. Not saying commit or spent a dime on a slut, but MGTOW as an ideology is just the other side of the same coin of feminism

>>135072703
>Reminder that divorce rates have been steadingly decreasing for the last decades (since the sexual revolution)

You forgot to mention that marriage rates are also going down.

>>135073689
Irrelevant.

>>135055269
Why would she divorce you unless you don't have the dominant role in the marriage?

>>135073560
If you can't keep your subordinates inline without beating them senseless, you don't deserve to procreate in the first place.

>>135073248
Daily reminder that you are a cowardly boy trying to pretend to be a brave manly man and failing utterly in the eyes of anyone who is actually redpilled

>>135073753
Because she "Just doesn't love you anymore" or she "Just isn't happy".

>>135073562
>Western women are shit because western men are shit and allow it.
and mgtow is a correction. so why is it met with ridicule? mgtow is essentially a strike for better working conditions.

>>135073370
>But if you are in this thread and you're not a shill don't you think this world is worth fighting for?
Of course I do, I don't agree with the OP's shit and I don't even like MGTOW as a movement, but I think most men my age (20) realize that getting married is idiotic in this day and age.
Many of us have seen older men get absolutely brutalized by divorce, whether it be our parents, our uncles, our grandparents, or even just an older man we're acquaintances with.
It's sad to see, but many of these guys set themselves up for it.
It's like the virtue signalling white who walks around nigger-infested shitholes without a care in the world to prove how "normal" niggers are and then acts surprised when he gets his shit knocked or gets mugged, like that one chink that got mugged while playing pokemon.
It's one thing to hope for the best, it's another to leave yourself vulnerable and deny reality because to accept reality would hurt your fee-fees.
I can't even say I blame women, they're just taking advantage of a system put into place by kikes and shitty, weak men who bowed down to their wishes and whims and just made things worse for the rest of us.

>>135073753
she's not feeling it anymore

>>135073562
It is a philosophy not an ideaology.

Feminism was around and is an organized movement since the 1920s while mgtow just came about recently and is decentralized.

Mtgow and feminism are not polar opposites. 90% of mgtow men are not really mgtow as much as they are men on strike.

All you tradcucks gotta do to kill mgtow is fix the laws... But you can't. Which is why it always falls back to "man up"

I'm MGTOW because I'm too attached to my 2d waifu to ever love a 3d

>>135073376
>You are actually, the point is to get the laws to the point where men WANT to be fathers, otherwise this downward spiral will just continue until we're replaced by niggers (or more likely spics/mudslimes).

Do you think you'll see that in the next 10 years? If not, why not knock up three white women? Some people have to give their lives in a war, that's just the way it is.

>A liberal white won't wake up until it's too late.

They'll keep white genes around. Sometimes holding the line is enough.

>>135073753
>>135073843
>>135074002

Which is code word for: she can do better

>>135073826
Well you have a 50% chance of getting absolutely assfucked so I'll let you spew your insults while you can. We shall see who is left standing.

>>135073753
This. You're not going to all of a sudden wake up in the courtroom one morning. If your wife doesn't even treat you like the husband then you shouldn't have of even married her.

>>135066666
bitching and moaning isnt going to make them write better laws. they dont give a FUCK about you "going your own way" theyer just going to import more nonwhites and ruin the country even more unless you start a fucking family and make a voting bloc that will actually vote for people who propose better laws

>>135074223

We all fall in the end. If he dies with children, he's still beat anyone who didn't reproduce.

>>135073228
hahhahahahhahahhaha

>>135073925
>mgtow is a correction
No it's not. It's an admission of defeat.

>>135055269
Reminder that MTGOW is an islamic anti white subversion meme using r9k to shoehorn "battle of the sexes" (lowest common denominator) into the "board culture"

being scared of women = beta faggotry
they want white guys to stay beta faggots that dont go out and breed so they can pick up the slack as they are doing

just look at the cunts flag for fucks sake

>>135074030
>All you tradcucks gotta do to kill mgtow is fix the laws... But you can't. Which is why it always falls back to "man up"
Pretty much this.
I think deep down most of /pol/ realizes that these laws will never change, that bridge has already been passed and women would never vote for something that doesn't benefit them (or something that they don't think benefits them).
So, they just tell you to bear the brunt of the laws and if you don't it's because you're scared of women, not because you're not blind to the power of the state.
>>135074100
>Do you think you'll see that in the next 10 years?
See what?
Us getting replaced by niggers/spics?
Knocking up women won't change anything, they'll raise more worthless losers that don't amount to anything and bend over for niggers.
No one raises more worthless men than single mothers.
>They'll keep white genes around. Sometimes holding the line is enough.
You assume they'll hold the line.
They won't.

>>135074223
It'll be me. I married an utterly loyal church girl. I was her first and she has never slept with anyone else. Just dont go for stupid sluts with no morals

>>135074408
Yeah but seriously it's not really funny

>>135055269
RARE
A
R
E

also fuck hoes

>>135065112
Damn, son.

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>>135073945
You are right anon. However all I can say is think about what you really value. Is it time? Money? You can go MGTOW but youll be going your own way the next 75 years. Christmas. Alone. Birthdays. Alone. BTFO with that artificial womb meme.

>>135057750
:(

>>135074704
Again, I don't agree with MGTOW, not getting married doesn't mean you can't have a girlfriend.

>>135055269
>what is a prenuptual agreement

>>135065112
Listen to this fucken man and learn.

Hen Peckism is my worst fear--and all the men on my mother's side are hen pecked...and they let me get away with not being hen pecking because I was born youngest in the family, and I will not take shit from women.

>>135074889
A prenup is worth less than the paper it's written on. In most cases they get thrown out of court faster than you can say "But I have a prenup".

>>135074889
you're still at the mercy of the judge lol

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It's very simple when it's boiled down.

Do you want regular, hot, pornstar water-works violent submissive sex? Do not commit to her, do not do anything for her, do not compliment her, don't spend a cent on her and behave as though she's bottom tier on your totem of whores you give your dick to. Get in, fuck her brains out, slap her around, smoke a cigarette in her bed, drink whatever beer she's got in the fridge and have her make you breakfast, then get out and vanish off the face of the earth until the next time she hits you up for sex.

Do you want deadbedroom, lackluster, awkward, starfish duty sex? Commit to her, tell her you love her, treat her well, shower her with attention, spoil her, move in with her, talk about family with her, take her on dates, passively try and initiate (ask for) sex with her, spend time with her.

More time spent with a woman and the "better" you treat her, directly correlates to worse and less sex. You've been lied to about women in the worst way conceivable. And when I realized this, I was utterly repulsed and promptly stopped pursuing women.

>>135055269
i see no arguments against it, only shaming. Shame that shaming doesnt affects any man with tiniest bit of a brain.

>>135074444
>focusing on improving your own life and ignoring women not worth your time is defeat

i see you took "if you defeat your enemies, they win" quite literally, leaf

>>135074704
>Christmas. Alone. Birthdays. Alone. BTFO
That is true if you are orphan. If you have a decent family you will always have a place to enjoy those days.
The problem is what to do when you can't be independent anymore.

>>135073117
Do you not understand that "be a amazing husband or I will make your life hell" is a position of submission for men?

>>135074500

So you really have no reason not to knock up some white women? Other than just a desire to see no white children in the world?

>>135075379
Worthless men are a net drain on the world, would you want more /r9k/ virgins in the world? Because tons of them were raised by single mothers/divorced parents.

>>135055269
azerfag why is your country not connected

>>135075293
>living only for yourself
>not caring about the future
You sound like a woman desu

>>135074552
Being her only sex partner counts for a lot but is not a garuntee.

Problem is, what you are asking is mathematically difficult to achieve. Too many guys looking for that virgin to deflower.

>>135075336
You need to either have enough savings to retire and pay for the care or an hero.

>>135075614
Can you give me one reason why should man without children care about future? It's not his future.

Mgtow poster should add this link for every post

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uI80NWf7giM

>>135074704
>Christmas. Alone. Birthdays. Alone.
>what are friends?
>implying being alone means a man is lonely

>>135075527

A world of niggers, and spics, and feminists? Who cares about them, go have white kids.

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>>135055269
>Hobo boycotting Porsche

>>135076405
Just as soon as marriage becomes less of a dice roll.
Until then, I'll stick to just having a girlfriend.

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>>135073173
>>135073689

See: >>135073173

>Marriage rates, on the other hand, increased last year. In 2015, there were 32.2 marriages for every 1,000 unmarried women age 15 or older, according to the National Center for Family and Marriage Research at Bowling Green State University. This represents a jump from 31.9 in 2014 and is the highest number of marriages since 2009, which suggests that marriage rates may be stabilizing after decades of decline.

>On the divorce side, the 2015 rate was 16.9 divorces per 1,000 married women age 15 or older, which is down from 17.6 in 2014 and a peak of almost 23 per 1,000 divorces in 1980.

Dvorce rates are decreasing because less people feel forced to get married, so the ones who do get married are more likely to do it less out of obligation and against their will, and more because they know they want a permanent relationship, and they'll stick around.

>>135073396

It's more than 6 months.

http://divorce-canada.ca/common-law-separation-in-canada

Still pretty bad, but in case of a divorce, it's much harder to argue for child support/alimony in general in canada.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/4-myths-about-common-law-relationships-1.1315129

Also common law partnerships are explicitly not marriages.

>>135075658
Right so just give up. Who needs people who dont want to breed in the gene pool anyway

>>135055269
live is a game, but the rules are written,
either reproduce,
or loose

>>135075754
the children of his relatives maybe

>>135076286
>implying being alone means a man is lonely

100 times this, i only enjoy company of someone with my interests to talk about them, rest of the time i want nothing to do with people around me. I'd rather sit alone with a book then participate in a "celebration" (more like glorified eating and drinking and babbling about shit).

Only empty, soulless man with no imagination, ability for abstract thought, hobbies and interests are scared of being alone. Aloneness is a bliss.

>>135076875
No difference from raising wife's son in biological perspective. they are closer to you than others, but this is not your genes therefore they can all burn in hell.

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It doesn't matter if you have kids or not. Once they make artificial wombs, governments will eventually start to just create kids to maintain replacement levels. We always bicker over pointless present-day shit without thinking about just how fucking crazy the future is going to be.

>>135074988
The unfortunate thing about the hen pecking is that she's not like that until after the marriage. Then once she gets that way, you're fucked. You can either put up with it or fight all the time and be miserable until the inevitable acrimonious divorce. Dumbasses in this thread think you can just magically wave your hands and "man up" and she'll miraculously stop being an insufferable bitch. It doesn't work that way in real life.

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>>135076464
>Hobo boycotting Porsche
This is fucking hilarious I laughed out loud quite hard.

>>135077110
>tfw the government starts raising brainwashed soldiers

>>135075664
>You need to either have enough savings to retire and pay for the care
I expect normies will show some compassion to childless men. Most normies don't like childless men even if they don't tell you that openly.Sadly "an hero" seems to be the only option for now.

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>>135076708
>Marriage rates drop to all-time lows
>"Look guys, divorce rates are lower too!"

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>>135055269
Have kids, move in together, don't sign any contracts without consulting a lawyer.
Check state laws and prenups.
You might have to move to a place to get married, and to a different one for divorce.(If you really have to)
Have a fucking plan.

>>135077324
They're already doing that now.
What do you think government schools are for?

>>135076596

Depending upon how old you are, that might be fine. 35-40, start looking at the emergency button.

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>>135077218
You and I are on the same wave length mah man.

The only way is to find a eastern european girl who has an overbearing father and is used to being borne down upon by an imposing male role-model.

>>135077769
Heh. Sounds like a plan.

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>>135076464
And then Porsche hangs itself

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>>135077892
LOL

This was a suprisingly fun MGTOW thread.

The only way we can have a tradcon society is to take away women's suffrage, dismantle the single mother welfare state, and reinstate at-fault divorce. That will never happen so long as women can vote. We cannot take away the women's vote without violence, such as a coup, or by a societal-wide collapse. The best way to bring about a collapse is for us to disengage and pay as little tax as possible, or even better, becoming a net drain on the welfare state ourselves. Simply telling men to "man up" and get married and contribute to our current society is what the Jews want, because they know nothing will change. Why do you think there are so many articles about women struggling to find "marriageable men" and about men dropping out of society in the last few years? They are shitting their pants at the possibility the gravy train may be coming to an end soon. I say let it all come crashing down, and we'll rebuild when the dust settles.

>>135074552
So a stupid br>>135074552
>I married an utterly loyal church girl.
So a stupid broad who can't think for herself? I bet it's easy for you to alpha, you faggot. You're also a faggot cuck for marrying, get fucked by the system

>>135078392
>So a stupid broad who can't think for herself?
>>>/leftypol/

>>135078216
I've always had the thought in the back of my head of just dropping out of my career entirely and just living off of disability. I am diagnosed with aspergers and can use that to claim a good sum in my state if I want. And why not drain the system? Why work to support a system I hate when I can help drain it dry?

Alas, cryptography is just too damn fun for me.

>>135055269
my gf of one year just dumped me yesturday and started dating some guy the same day she broke up w me. i honeslty can't see myself ever loving a girl again

>>135079023
Congratulations, you're a man now faggot.

>>135078216
I used to think that before Trump. Now I think we have a chance. Trump himself won't be the one to do it of course, his own personal life would see to that, but maybe Pence or a similar hyperconservative in 2024.

>>135078837
If you're making good money doing something you love, and can enjoy that money on your own hobbies, then that's fine. But at least look for ways to minimize what you contribute to the government. Can you live in a no income tax state without losing the job?

>>135079023
my 5'7 exgf always admitted that I, (5'8) was taller than her. One day, out of nowhere, she claims that she is taller than me. An obvious lie but, being the cuck that I was, I just kinda went along with it in silence. The next day I learn she was cheating on me with a 6 foot something chad. And we never even fucked, not once. She told me she was "saving it for marriage". She breaks up with me when I find out, and changes her facebook wall and everything to celebrate her "new anniversary" with her new boyfriend, that same day.
The best part? She never even told him that she was seeing me. We had been officially dating for over two years at the time.

Being a cuck: never again.

The non hormonal male birth control being developed in India will give you some control. Be extremely careful if you are not MGTOW. Marry someone with a career like nursing, live in a joint custody state if you have children. Analysis of her character is a must, do not stay with someone who shows jealousy of others materialistic lifestyle or who is narcissistic. There are good sweet women, they must be vetted with extreme caution. Your odds are not great but it is doable. I failed and am to old MGTOW now.

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>>135072691
>meh

Are you more alpha than hulk hogan

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BfZEPrxBoEg

>>135078216
>articles about women struggling to find "marriageable men" and about men dropping out of society in the last few years

The entire conversation was about the likelihood of divorce in case you get married, since that's the argument MGTOWs use to justify telling everyone not to get married.

>>135077600
>Simply telling men to "man up" and get married and contribute to our current society is what the Jews want
No it's literally the only way to change something and fight them. If men don't man up and take control of their country again, never have kids to raise the next generations, and never keep other men and their women in place, there'll be no future, no change and no improvement, no one will do it for you. It will just be the same slow decline.

>Why do you think there are so many articles about women struggling to find "marriageable men" and about men dropping out of society in the last few years
Same reason why there are articles about all the terrorist attacks. They are documenting and trying to normalize the problem and demoralize you, that doesn't mean they don't want it.

They absolutely want to destroy the strength of families, and they've been succesful at it. They want you to be slave who has no desire to reproduce or rebel. There won't be any final "collapse" where things just start over, you will just be replaced by the Islamic hordes.

>I say let it all come crashing down, and we'll rebuild when the dust settles.
You'll be long dead by then, with no kids to follow your lead because you refuse to have them.

>>135079846
>And we never even fucked, not once. She told me she was "saving it for marriage"
Jesus christ dude.
That hurts to read.
Unless you met her in church, if a woman says she's saving it for marriage, she's probably bullshitting you.

>>135078392
>can't think for herself
Obviously you have never met a southern baptist woman

>>135058835
She's gonna bounce around from man to man as the thrill of being with a new guy wears off.

The cock carousel is real.

it's simple: just have a religious wedding and avoid state bureaucracy

>>135079916

I'm dating a girl who is partially paralyzed.

>was a legit 9/10 before her accident
>some drunk was shooting and she took a bullet, can't move shit past her waist.
>her husband divorced her, abandoned the kids after telling her that he would stay
>still a legit 8/10, in shape, very pretty, redhead, etc
>met her through online dating

She worships me. I'm not a real pretty guy and overweight and shit, but she fucking loves me because I look past her issues. Besides, sex is AMAZING. Since her legs don't move, you can flop those fuckers around in all kinds of positions and it doesn't bother her one bit. She can still have kids plus she gets a shitload of money thanks to disability, welfare (since she can't work), and also got a seven figure payout from a lawsuit against the man's employer (he was on the clock at the time).

>financially set
>she's a southern conservative
>extremely pretty
>she can't cheat on me even if she wanted to because she can't fucking go anywhere without help
>cooks, cleans, doesn't complain about shit
>hates niggers
>great sex
>good family

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>>135057750

>>135080444
>No it's literally the only way to change something and fight them. If men don't man up and take control of their country again, never have kids to raise the next generations, and never keep other men and their women in place, there'll be no future, no change and no improvement, no one will do it for you. It will just be the same slow decline.

That cannot happen so long as women can vote. They will never vote to take away all their current privileges. It has to be done by force, and so far the Republicans aren't doing shit to change things. Meanwhile my tax money will be used to support single mothers and other forms of degeneracy. Collapse and rebirth is the only way.

>>135081227
you're acting like a fucking nigger

respect yourself and your woman, you degenerate

>>135080511
Nooow you tell him! lol

>>135081697
What can I say, I'm not that old.
Seems a lot of older millennials and Gen X types forgot to teach their sons how to deal with women, probably because they were so busy raising their girls to be boys.
I think the worst part is that we're willing to blame the true actors for any societal problem except for the weakness of modern men.
Modern men aren't weaker just because, it's because of how they were raised/who raised them, and it seems like a LOT of /pol/ just flat out ignores this.

>>135081227
thank you for your service

>>135080444
>man up
There's that fag talk again.

>>135055269
Azerbaijan, nil puor

>>135082102
kek

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>>135081227
>tfw no mermaid GF to flop around in bed

>>135082026
I think you're on to something with that. My dad gave me no real woman advice and I ended up marrying a psycho bitch. Now that those PUA guys are around, though, maybe more dudes will wise up about it. Even people who don't like them tend to acknowledge that they're basically right.

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>>135082553
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIldaw6QgzA

>>135081535
>Collapse and rebirth is the only way.

do that by not having kids, and islam will just take over

the welfare state is gonna collapse soon anyway so itll fix itself anyway

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>and in the process take your money

Oh look, another kid who doesn't understand that marriage is a merger of assets.

She doesn't get your money during the divorce. She gets it at the altar.

Divorce isn't the act of the state taking your money. Divorce is the act of the state forcing you to surrender the half of your money you already gave her.

A divorce settlement isn't a reward bestowed upon a wife for being faithful. She could literally fuck her lawyer on the table in the courtroom and it wouldn't have any effect upon the fact that you already gave her half of your net worth ON THE DAY YOU GOT MARRIED.

I am so sick and tired of listening to divorced men crying about "she took my money."
She didn't. You GAVE it to her, cause you're a fucking moron.

>>135083852
why are we still so attached to this retarded religious tradition? Why are atheists and non-abrahamic religious people hell bent on sacrificing their lives in a practice that has nothing to do with their personal beliefs? Did the jew do this?

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>>135084858
If you're really interested...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUMifHT1AwY
>part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZsKdEl0-dg

>>135084858
>Why do people who are conservative want to keep a tradition going that has been going for thousands of years and is proven to produce relatively sound individuals and become the bedrock of society
Gee, i don't know, you fucking jew

>>135076767
>t. takbir mohamud

>>135081227
that's actually pretty cute desu

>>135086315
i'm talking about atheists and non-christians. people who are, gee oh i dunno, typically not conservative?

Here's the solution:

Don't marry the first piece of ass to come along. Get yourself into a position where you can BE PICKY. Don't leave mate selection up to women because you'll be chosen by the one who knows how to get all she can out of you.

If you don't want to get married, don't. If you're mgtow because no one wants you and you're deluding yourself so you don't have to accept you're a loser, I hope you figure it out and fix that shit.

If you do want to get married, don't rush. As I had said, get your shit together and settle for nothing less than the absolute best. If you're serious about this, it's supposed to be a forever decision. If you aren't serious how can you expect her to be?

Also, no hymen no diamond

>>135059042
Anyone else getting low res?

>>135087514
>If you're mgtow because no one wants you and you're deluding yourself so you don't have to accept you're a loser, I hope you figure it out and fix that shit.
It always amazes me how /pol/ outdo feminists when it comes to shaming men for not falling for the marriage trap, yet claims to be "red-pilled". Bunch of hypocrites.

>>135088604
WHere was he shaming MGTOW? He said if you don't want to get married then don't. However, he said if you do want to but just pretend otherwise, he hopes you can overcome whatever hurdles preventing you from reaching that goal.
he also gave advice to trads.
He was giving his solution to each group,.

>It always amazes me how /pol/ outdo feminists when it comes to shaming men for not falling for the marriage trap, yet claims to be "red-pilled". Bunch of hypocrites.


This is why I prefaced this part with "If you don't want to get married, don't"

There's all sorts of reasons why someone says they're going their own way. Maybe they just want to. Maybe they see the system of marriage and divorce as unfair, and don't want to take part of it. Maybe they're in the situation I described above, that you quoted. Idk why every individual makes every choice they make, do you?

>>135057750
Hang in there buddy

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>>135082153

You're a fucking faggot who wants everyone else to do everything for you while having no responsibility, never improving yourself, and blaming everything on women and society.

That's a defeatist mindset that doesn't lead anywhere, and it's why /r9k/ is such a shithole. You're just rationalizing and justifying your own mediocrity and laziness by claiming there's no point doing anything.

>>135088604
>shaming

You literally talk like a fucking feminist, then complain about "feminists".

>stop fat-shaming me bigot!

There is no hypocrisy. People uphold Western traditions of marriage, procreation, and gender roles for both men and women.

Being redpilled is understanding that Jews have been destroying the family unit, the institution of marriage, or Western birth rates for decades to Western society and Europeans, and MGTOW is just contributing to that. I bet they're probably funding it which is why it gets spammed here so much.

MGTOWs are the biggest hypocrites since they want men to do whatever they want and to be allowed to be complete effeminate degenerates with no responsibilities or skills, but no woman is good enough. They claim to oppose liberalism yet they have the same ideas about gender roles and marriage.

They think "being redpilled" means not liking women and never having kids instead of understanding the nature of women and gender relations, then use it to your advantage.

Barely anyone is "shaming" men who don't get married anymore, even though that is used to be common and a good thing. They're "shaming" the MGTOW who keep pushing that shit, making a movement out of it and trying to convince other men not to get into a relationship because of personal issues.

>>135091223
>being this triggered