/pol/ /pol/ communism general

Hows college going?

>>135042187
How's kindergarten?

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>>135040593
Do I have to genocide 66 million people, and inject pure Starbucks into my veins in order to become a Communist?

>>135040593
What are communists views about transgenders serving in the military?

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Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.

Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.

Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:

>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
https://www.gommies.gom/fug/
https://www.gommies.gom/starve/

GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohfugme/

It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.

Resources:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohshid/
https://www.gommies.gom/1984/
https://www.gommies.gom/guck/
https://www.gommies.gom/probaganda/
https://www.gommies.gom/XDDDD/
https://www.gommies.gom/wheresfood/
https://www.gommies.gom/benis/

Da sdages of gommunism.

>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.

>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.

>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.

>Sdage four
Nod real gommunism. Move on to nexd goundry :DDDDDDD

>>135042399
nice come back

>>135042698
well meme'd my friend

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>>135040593

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>>135042698
like allways, best post

>>135040593
What's wrong with this pic? >>135043502
Why should this worker feel exploited? He accepts the money his employer will give him in exchange for his work. What's so bad about it.

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How's Venezuela doing???

>>135045593
Well memed, here we meet again!

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>commie general
>only 3 commie ID's

did the rest starved to death?

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>>135043502

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>>135040593
>tfw you have more respect for communism than for transgenders and shit

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>>135043843
Communism, we can see you from space

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>>135042461
No just the fascist invaders

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>>135048394
Those are byproducts of capitalist degeneracy. Get stuffed porky.

>>135040593
Why communists hate food?

>>135048304
Implying the one carrying the plans under his arm isn't earning more and directing the other thus his boss.
Implying you didn't take it from a gay porno (see him being tanned and fit)because that's the closest experience a fag commie has to a real blue collar job.
Yes you're jobless but still get daddies neetbux to protest against the people like your daddy simply because your turned out to be a faggot and he likes his job more than the autismo he got as a child.

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Feels good to be on the right side of history.

fuck off Jordi, nobody likes you
SAGE

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>>135048758
We don't. Food was plentiful under communist rule.

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>>135048758
You just need to watch north korean propaganda...It's horrifying for them.

>>135048530
>before capitalism niggers in sub saharian african were better off

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The entire world will be red.

>>135040593
good to see another comrade on this board comrade

>>135040593
niggers

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>>135040593
retards

>>135049755
>>135049669
not an argument.

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>>135040593
N SHEEIT

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>>135049669
>>135049755

>>135049325
Lol no it wasnt.

Real communism rules with an iron fist with limited freedoms.

People have to starve. We havent figured out how to make a command economy work yet among massive amounts of people, but we have to keep trying.

Also, true communism is against indivualism. Everyone should look, dress, and act the same.


Heirarchy is important. The party officials and politicians should get everything while the poor get little of anything.

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>>135049819
>>135049811
an argument.

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>>135040593
Faggot

>>135040593
communists are faggots and deserve to die

>jerking off to a failed ideology that has killed more people than any other on a buthanese flyfishing forum
Can you niggers sink any lower?

>>135042545
I personally don't see the problem as long as they are fit to serve.

>>135040593
can we ban all "Starve our citizen" generals?

Let's just exterminate all marxists already.

Leftists like "next stages" and "progress" so much. It's like cancer. Exactly like cancer.

>>135049892
some hipster shit for when you tired of protesting your white privilege
https://www.buzzfeed.com/tanyachen/canadian-hipsterdemic?utm_term=.oqMbD85GA#.aiXZPKk1p

>>135049987
Living in a capitalist society is sinking lower.

>>135050155
What if we archive that
https://archive.is/WX4Gi

>>135050135
False equivalence, try again

>>135042698
most quality post in this thread by far

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>>135049892
>implying abundance and overproduction are good
>implying there is anything bad with a bit of discipline and obedience
>implying the cult of individualism is good for the betterment of the overall society

>>135050172
Thanks to you.

>>135040593

Commie Fag. Nobody cares about failed ideology

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>>135049325
I lived under communism you lying retard, back in Eastern Europe.
Nothing was plentiful. the whole country was like a prison.

>>135050426
It seems to be a big issue. Its the spectre haunting the world

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>>135049513

>>135050135

Yeah, we should all just go back to the 1950s and never advance as a country!

>>135049325
>successful socialist economics
give me some examples(inb4 social democracies and national socialism)
>cut down by capitalism imperialism
No, they weren't. Their economic model just sucked
>exploiting third worlders
their shitty governments let us
>muh global warming
As if communism will solve it, commie economies polluted more than western capitalist ones

>>135050521
Yeah it was a shitshow, the goal is to learn from our mistakes to make a better future.

>>135050249
damn i feel sad for you, must suck

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>>135050521
Most of your countrymen want Communism back. 25 years in and capitalism has been one big nightmare.

>>135050389
means of production must be overtaken by us, the retards who have no idea what means of production mean...
(factories n sheeit right?)
(wait who know how to operate and rule them...??)
For motherland comarade n sheeit

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>>135050660
>successful socialist economics
Ask no more

>>135040593
Working class guy here.
No one likes you, you are the bougeoisie.
You're most likely an upper middle class fuck nugget who had everything handed to him and is now LARPing as the downtrodden while ignoring what blue collar people actually want so you won't eventually have to get a job and move out of your parents house.
Fuck you and everyone who subscribes to your murderous, cancerous, fucktarded ideas.

>>135051237
You should go to ex-communist countries to protest for communism

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>>135050249
Kek

>>135049179
>ywn have a cute tankie gf
Why even live?

>>135050389
I totally agree, what are you talking about?

I think torture, genocide, and executions are important for communism because we can't make them accept it any other way.

I just don't want to be a poor person in communism. I want to be that party official who enjoys capitalist or bourgeoisie products/lifestyle while tue poor rot. Only few people should have these things.

Communism is meant to make people so poor and hungry that they have to depend on us.

I don't get why you're mad.

>>135051352
Well what he is saying is true though, in Russia the Soviet Union still has a lot of support

WHY THE FUCK AMERICAN COMMIES HATE CAPITALISM? YOU'RE LIVING IN A PARADISE COMPARED TO REST OF THE WORLD, SPECIALLY COMPARE TO COUNTRIES WITH SOCIALISTIC/COMMUNISTIC TENDENCIES...WTF

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>>135051352
I don't need to. In Russia the communist party already receives millions of votes. Once capitalism collapses communism will be the next step

What do my fellow Marxists think of Hegel? I know its a direct conflict with Marxs Materialism but I don't think its completely uncompatible.

>>135051280
>free market capitalism
>socialism

One can't be the other. And China has been experimenting with the former in recent decades.

>>135051313

Well, look at you. So indoctrinated to the capitalist system that you defend being overworked for a low wage by companies that couldn't give a shit about you. You are the perfect pawn. Now back to work, slave.

>>135051570
They are retarded.

>>135051570
Class gap is pretty large. People probably want to be earning what they make from the fruits of their labour as well.

>>135051280
China, capitalist oligachy
meet Chen, our good comarade
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/06/25/asia/gallery/chen-guang/index.html
He is so good with the rationing he became millionare

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>>135051570
Gee wilicker I wonder

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>>135051313
You sure showed us with all your ad hominems

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>>135051570
Hmm

>>135051280
That's capitalism, though.

China is a traitor. The only reason China is where they are today is because Clinton allowed them to enter the free trade agreement in 98.

All those state run parties are dirty. They should be running sweat shops and manufacturing where bolts are hammered in by hand instead of using hammers.

Also, look at those nice buildings. That's a huge no no.

All buildings should be tower blocks.


Are you sure you're a communist?

>>135051661
The terms of my employment are a contract I agreed to and in the free market the terms of that contract are negotiable. If I don't think I'm being paid enough or I feel overworked I'm free to seek other employment and if I merit more pay or easier work, I'll get it.
Can't say the same for communism can you? No, I'd be thrown in the gulag.
Elitist prick.

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Sorry I am a Fascist

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>>135051980

>>135051900
Facts don't work on cultists so punching you up verbally might shock you little shits into waking up to the fact that you're the tool of an unseen hand.

>>135051978
>I feel overworked I'm free to seek other employment
Is that true though? A lot of working class people can't exactly pick what jobs they want

>>135051978
What about us who don't agree with the contract we are given that exploits us of the fruits of our own labour? Not everyone is so easy to submit.

>>135051280
chinese comarade has a fleet of yatchs, that may mean all comarades have a fleet of yatchs
Maybe they are learning the ways of the aristocracy to infiltrate in the west to take down capitalism
https://nextshark.com/chinas-new-money-apparently-lacking-class-so-theyre-trying-to-buy-it-from-europeans/

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>>135051570
Couldn't be that capitalism dominates our politics, or increasing inflation, or market crashes every eight years, or higher cost of living with stagnate wages, or rapidly rising wealth inequality, or the fact capitalism kills culture

>>135051237
>Most of your countrymen want Communism back
lol no they don't. Most eastern European countries don't have a commie party and if so it only gets 15% of the votes
>>135051280
>China
>the shittiest country to live in
>is in the "not real communism club" because it was so shitty

>>135052145
Go ahead and use some facts and I will explain how they are not a valid criticism.

>>135052066
Most people are Right Dominant Hand

>>135052257
why worry about inflation and market when all comarades can build 200M star trek houses?
https://www.domain.com.au/news/chinese-tech-exec-spends-200m-on-headquarters-shaped-like-star-treks-enterprise-20150527-ghaefp/

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>>135042698
That pasta is necessary for this topic.

>>135051661
>>135051900
guys why do you hate the working class? Do you think you know what is better for the working class?

>>135052569
There shouldnt be a working class, just poor people who work sometimes and starve while we get fat and drone on about the state.

>>135052218
I don't know about every country but I could go to school to work in an office programming or some such shit. I can basically do whatever I want, assuming I have the merits to work in that field.
>>135052224
What labor?
You guys don't work.
Start a business, should be easy for you with daddy's money. Then the contract you have is with yourself.
Or be a lazy worthless parasite. Your call.

>>135052569
what working class you talking about?
In gommie China the comarades are so rich they are buing the US one piece at a time, soon to have the most amount of billionaires in the world
http://www.scmp.com/news/china/money-wealth/article/1868247/mainland-china-overtakes-united-states-number-billionaires

why are these threads always ruined by nazi retards?

dont they have their containment zone aka nat soc general (or smth like that)

who let them go out of there?

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>>135051610
in Hungary communists are spat on.
Communists dont understand wealth. They falsely believe (key word here) that rich people stole the wealth from the poor, so in "return" they want to steal it "back". communists are common criminals and thieves (not an insult but a fact), who want to use state power to get away with theft and murder. a communist state is a criminal state.
We really should massacre all communist agitators here in the west. just killemall ASAP.

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>>135042698
benis in bagina gomrads :--DDDD

>>135052314
How? With claims that "that's not real communism!".
Why don't you talk to some people who lived under communism? Ask a Cuban how they liked it, or a Khmer...but you wont'. Your ideas come prepacked from professors who are disconnected from reality.

>>135052781
According to Marxist rhetoric, it is the working class that eventually will revolt against the capitalist system. So why do you think that you know better than the working class brah?

>>135050696

"UUPS! LETS JUST TRY IT AGAIN"

You all deserve death.

Cykq https://youtu.be/C-SsMQMFq8c

>>135053021
>Why don't you talk to some people who lived under communism?
No one has lived under communism since it has never been reached. Go educate yourself, nigger. If you're going to critisize smth, you first of all should at least to learn basics of that.

>>135052224
Here's an idea how about another job or self employment stupid.

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>>135053189
never been such equality in China, all comarades are happy, more Ferraris for the farmers!
>>I want Bentrei!
you can have Bentrei!

>>135053021

Communism never happened because it cannot exist.

Ask my Venezuelan gf.

>>135053388
Always the same excuses and no results.
I'd bet you 1000 dollars your personal life is exactly the same.

Serious question to all the unironic commies in this thread, do you support the classless moneyless anarcho communism or state communism?

>>135053557
>having no ideas what marxism is
>no u

Not an argument, nigger.

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>>135053502

>venezuela
>communism

Why are the ppl that talk about this working class stuff on Hartz anyway?
Almonds activated.

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>>135053490
Comarade Hun just got his new BentreI!

>>135053642
Another one. Communism cant be "state".

>>135048530
Yes, you have to. You won't pass otherwise.

>>135053642

communism is stateless.

>>135053743
Dayyyyuummmm nigga that ride be pimpin.

>>135053557
Instead of arguing with communists the 100000th time, lets just put them into fima camps, then set up gas chambers and exterminate them all. why not?

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>>135053490
>Seize the means of production
>Get escorted out by security
Small business owner here. How's it feel knowing you'll still be making my coffee ten years from now?

>>135053426
brah you don't understand. communism is simply a system where everyone obtains what they produce so the owners of those cars obviously have just worked much harder than the rest of the population

>>135049325

Yeah just like China during the Great Leap Forward and North Korea today! KYS

>>135053021
Not getting it right on your first try is no reason to quit. Stalin himself talked about Communism as something to be reached not something that was in place.

>>135053942
The Constitution.
Don't become a monster while fighting monsters.

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>>135053388

>>135053946
But that wasn't real communism

>>135050521
Which country? I'm not communist btw

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>>135052955
Funny you say that because Hungarians want communism the MOST

>>135054142
Lets try it in the first world now, not some early 20th centry Eastern European country

>>135053711
Venezuela is by the definition communist.

Then again you are probably a leaf or a liberal faggot in the USA, who never saw what your people do for power.

We down here had to kill your disgusting kin that brainwashed people into murdering innocents with terrorism. We suffered for a decade because of your retarded ideology. People unironically praise a genocidal racist called Che fucking Guevara to this day.

Shoot yourself in the fucking neck.

>>135054088
Millions of corpses is a good reason to quit.
If I kept trying to do something over and over again and it kept resulting in deaths for the same reason I'd start to wonder why instead of trying to force it to happen again.

>>135053990
most people produce very little value. humanity is completely uneven. The square root of all people (in any group) produce half the economic value. Most others add very little, then lots of people produce no useful econimic value. looser commie, your work worth nothing.

>>135053990
comarade Hin to get his Ferrari worked about 2 Billion times harder than comarade Hun to get his Bentrei, geez, comarade Hun is taking a lot of naps...

>>135053388
Ok so this is an ideal that has never been reached but basically, it is real in your mind. We usually call that a utopia

>>135051570
A bit of socialism (see: Western Europe) means much better living standards.

>>135054297
Go ahead and pinpoint where Marxism preaches about killing people.

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Fully Automated Luxury Communism

>>135054105
those who refuse to fight, will be defeated.
you HAVE TO kill your enemy. kill or be killed. communists are not your opponents, rather your enemies.

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>>135054269
Are you fucking retarded?If it didn't help a third world then what fucking good is the system to begin with?Jesus christ you people have no brains.

>>135054182
Hungary

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>>135054297
>Millions of corpses is a good reason to quit.
WTF I agree with you, let's ditch capitalism

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>>135054297
>millions of corpses

Watch out those glass roofs.

>>135054496
Thats why we have to improve upon the system, not give it up completely.

>>135040593
that logo makes me smile every time I see it
considering it's communists who invented the notion of political correctness

>>135054379
A bit of socialism is all it takes for millions of Somalians to end up invading your homeland and raping your women.
>>135054432
You'll have to kill me to get your Marxist Utopia as well as millions of others who agree with me because your ideas are not convincing and do not resonate with people.
We do not want to have what little wealth we can accrue stolen from us and given to you.
We like being free to pursue more wealth or a big family or whatever so long as it hurts no one.

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>>135040593
How can commies even compete?

>>135054369
Its in reminisce of Hegels absolute. There is no crime in talking about a society where there is no room for improvement even if its unrealistic

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>>135054496
>Doesn't know what First, Second, Third world are
>Calling other people brainlets

And yes it did help Russia grow from a Great Power into a Superpower

>>135053021
A lot of Cubans (even diaspora Cubans) mourned Castro or had mixed opinions. Of course, the US media doesn't mention it. The article I found on it was from the BBC.

>>135054379
Only socialism in an ethnically homogenous society is tenable. Commies hate ethnic homogenity.

>>135054567
Why not move to a poor country in Africa, implant true communism and make it the most advanced country in the world to prove that all the capitalists pigs how wrong they were
>>inb4 is more confie to ruin a rich country and live off the wealth of the capitalism until the shit hit the fan

>>135054264
ticky questioning.
another thing is communist states run on other people's money. then they collapse as they run out of other peoples money, as thetcher said famously. the hungarian communist state was borrowing heavily from the world bank the last 18 years of it. It is not sustainable. communist economy runs huge deficit, capitalism generates wealth expansion.

>>135053203
>literally the same thing people said about human flight

>>135054602
100 MILLION NATIVE AMERICANS
ANOTHA SHOAH
Where do you get these number dude?

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>>135054567

>commie
>posts anti-commie infographic

>>135054602
The extermination of the native americans was a necessary evil as no matter what peace agreements we made with them, their braves were niggering out constantly stealing horses and killing people as a manhood ritual
I dismiss your garbage meme.

>>135054832
Where in the tenets of Marxism does it state anything about ethnicity?

>>135054798
The Russian Empire of the Tzars was Belgium tier you are right

>>135054297
they dont mind death: as not the commie comrads died but some other people. just like criminals dont claim that crime doesnt work because the victim dies in a robbery. it works for the criminal, does not for the victim.

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>>135049513
You got part of that right. Only one red flag will be flying.

>>135053946
That same site made a list about shitty things about capitalism, and they have a ton of lists about shitty capitalist dictators the US backed.

>>135053852
How could one insure that people's need are being met if there isn't a state? Who would direct people to do what needs to be done?

Just trying to figure out what end-game communism would look like

>>135054780
So Hegel is pro LARPing good to know

>>135054913
>Where do you get these number dude?
>lieeeeeeeeeee reeeeeeeeeeeeee

>>135042698
I come here for that post

>>135054379
to who? to the people create the wealth, ot the ones staling it while didnt contribute value to it?

>>135049483
They were
They weren't fucking up white countries prior to the capitalist slave trade

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>>135054602
Capitalism kills

>>135054873
Thatcher was a dumb cunt who didn't know anything
>Uhh socialism is when the government does stuff
Communist nations don't use currency. The main criteria is if the means of production is publicly owned. Capitalism is not sustainable. The US is trillions of dollars in debt. It is the biggest borrower in history.

>>135053820
>>135053852
Well it's a relief to know your particular variant of this retarded ideology can never happen in this universe.

>>135054432
read the gulag archipelago. The reliable connection between marxism and mass murder is not obvious, so half educated women's studies "professors" could not understand it.

>>135054269
why? what a difference?
because there is now more material things to steal
you fucking faggot?

when you finally get FACT that wealth comes from WORK

thank you capitalism

>>135054935
For a white person, you don't seem that smart.

>>135055116
Fascism is rooted in Hegel too you know.

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>>135054935

>>135054496
Actually, Albania under Enver Hoxha went from having feudalism, miserable living conditions, tribal vendettas, and an absolute monarch to being a poor but much more modern and industrialized country with literacy rates and life expectancy statistics similar to those of nearby countries.

>>135055281
Ok fine, but even if it did lead to mass murder it just means we have to rewrite Marxism into a system that wouldn't lead to that.

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>>135051559
>I just don't want to be a poor person in communism. I want to be that party official who enjoys capitalist or bourgeoisie products/lifestyle while tue poor rot. Only few people should have these things.

Huh a commie telling the truth. Why I never.

>>135055285
Communism is an ideology of WORK. Capitalism exploits the workers.

>>135055369
Great because we need all those useless consumers exploding in numbers and making pollution even worse.

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>>135054798
That's because most communist countries are third world shitholes.I would also think that capitalism helped russia become a superpower.

>>135055153
Last time I checked, non-working welfare recipients in somewhere like France (even before the refugee shitshow) didn't live like working class people did.

>>135055514
Where do you WORK? What kind of job do you do WORKER?

>>135046937
>>135045593
>>135042698
kek

>>135055193
Communism heals!
All those ukies, all those ruskies and the chinks they are now in a better place with Marx
They now hugging trees and roots, and some worms...

>>135054948
different ethnicities have different average IQ and productivity and wealth accumulation. Therefore they create different economic classes. Marx was obsessed with economic classes and wealth redistribution between classes. that together is what we call post modern neo marxism.

>>135055490
In communist super computer run efficiency, we'd only need to work 4 hours a day. Sign me up for the factory work in exchange for all my necessities met and a comfortable lifestyle. This is something capitalism CANNOT offer

>>135055703
I don't see how this has anything to do with it.

>>135055514
How can you work in a stateless, securityless and infrastructureless society?

>>135055103

Production is managed by a self-organizing network of autonomous communities, aided by a computerized planning system. In a context of highly automatized production and great abundance (post-scarcity).

>>135055306

Atleast I'm not enought of a nigger to be a communist shit nor an EU cuck like you.

>>135055851
Only when everything goes right will it be stateless. I don't even think Marx thought it was possible.

>>135055786
>that flag

What do you even care about those who are just subhumas according to your ideology?

>>135055848
You're a proponent of an idealogy based on work and you've never worked a day in your life. Seems relevant to me.

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>>135055786
Population skyrocketed under communism. Capitalism? not so much

>>135055619
Which is why communism would help the West be even stronger

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>>135055819
>>135055883
>n-no no guys you see a big super computer will run everything so I don't have to worry about explaining how everything works
Sounds like bullshit to me, get a job.

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>>135055848
Food also has nothing to do with it.

>>135055951
ad hominem

>>135055934
If marx thought it was not possible, if you think it's not possible, if all attempts at it have been at best catastrophic failures and it is impossible then why do you pretend it's possible?

>>135055438
>rxism into a system that wouldn't lead to that.
that is called capitalism. we already have that. Just give it a few more centuries, and there will be no poverty. 10000 years ago all people were in deep poverty. no one owned a nice middle class house, neither an SUV or an iphone. you commies dont understand what wealth is. you think in present terms. Wealth is the distance between you and your prehistoric caveman forefathers. Some people got away from them faster than you, so they are wealthier than you when comparing wealth in present time.

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>>135055981
You are missing the point, HOW can a system that is supposed to improve everything not even improve a third world country at all, better yet make it worse.

>>135056209
Because its ideal. Have you read Hegel? its kind of like that

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>>135056007
There was a study that work and resource allocation could be achieved with a simple dell computer. Now imagine one of our super computers doing it. Since workers are only working for the society, they only need to put in as much work as to keep everyone good. Extra time can be allocated if everyone wants a sports car.

>>135055193

>war kills people
>blame it on capitalism

hmmm....

>>135055981
By your own definitions Soviet union was not a communist state it was merely a one party authoritarian dictatorship.

>>135055851
>infrastructureless
>securityless

There will be very technological advanced infrastructure for everyone use.

Many of the crime is a consequence of our current economic system, other are attributted to mental ilness that are curable by science, genetic engineering shall delete all of the cheating and sadistic behavioral instinctive traits out of the gene pool during socialism and by the time we reach communism there is no more crime inclined individuals left.

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>>135040593

>When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said.

So, after prosperity has been intentionally destroyed, the government will quietly disappear? That's a really, REALLY stupid plan. Please die now.

>>135040593
Communism is best! It will fix all your problems but it isn't for feeble minded dumb disgusting white people. Blacks are the superior race and communism was made for them. When they take over the means of production they will spread their superior black seed amongst inferior women of other races.

>>135045486
That's exactly the point of the image. There is nothing wrong, unless this happens under communism.

>>135055981
>not so mu
lies.
population started declining under communism in hungary, around 1980. Then communism collapsed around 1989.

>>135055819
It was just nice he didn't hide behind
> muh liberating the people.
Only caring about himself and wanting the riches. Wanting to overthrow the 1% so you can become the 1% and treat everyone else like shit.

>>135056273
Wealth is something that should be earned rightfully, not by exploitation.

How does it feel that Tito (the so called traitor of your gommunism) made Yugo the pinnacle of socialism (which is communism in general) (and reminder,being the pinnacle of shit,still makes you shit) while the rest of commie retards failed?

>>135055914
Who are you kidding? You're just the US backyard. Your country got raped hard by them and by Euro countries too and at the end your country can't do shit about it.

At least commies killed millions to defend their ideology and countrymen. What did you guys do? You're nothing. I'm against the actual EU but not against an EU done right.

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>>135040593
Sage bomb the shill threads

>>135056319
But is holding onto such a delusion sensible? Why not consider national socialism at least we know it would work and it would be great, it would also kneecap the porkies you loathe so much.

>>135056548
Shut up child, people are talking

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This is the end game

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>>135056346
>There was a study that work and resource allocation could be achieved with a simple dell computer
Show me peer-reviewed and reproducible sources that back this up and demonstrate its superior system to a market based economy.

>>135056402
If there is no state and no capitalism who provides for both of these needs?

>>135056126
I'm questioning your understanding of the central theme of your argument, being that workers under a capitalist system are taken advantage of due to the fact that you have never worked you could never understand cashing your paycheck and going to the store where thousands of companies are competing to earn your business.
I realize you think you've found the super duper secret and that's an attractive idea but your thinking is biased and naive.
There's an old parable I want you to consider.
A wise man offers to teach a professor some wisdom but as the wise man speaks the professor always interjects with his own opinion. Finally, the wise man offers some tea. He breaks out the cups and starts pouring for the professor and he keeps pouring even as the tea overflows.
The professor is upset but the wise man says "You are the cup. How can you taste my tea if your cup is full. Empty your cup."
And your cup is full of shit.

>>135056435
I think we should all advocate for communism for africa then at least the black population growth would cease.

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Hello, is it of Spanish guy today on duty?

>>135056651
>idiots are talking
ftfy

>>135056462
It literally is about liberating people from the capitalist class. The working class overall will be better off. Also, it's literally impossible to become 1% in a communist society. Unless you have 8 hands and can produce 1000 more work than the average worker.

>>135056731

the community and their means of production

>>135056661
Of course because there will be no white people in the socialist Utopia. White people are the cancer that is stopping the revolution.

>>135056851
Still more actual discussion than 99% of /pol/ threads

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>>135056889
Capitalist nonsense that divides the working class

>>135042698
Best post


To all the commies:
It relates to an Einstein quote, you guys are really, really dumb. Definitely sub 95-IQs.

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>im bluecollar and an actual labor agitator
>want to join a socialist party
>still cant get over the fact that every other person is a feminazi, dindu apologist, or fag

Help?

>>135056467
in most cases it is earned rightfully. But in all cases commies make false accusations (LIES) about exploitation. When your paycheck is low, it is more likely than not, caused by your value-creating ability to be low. it has something to do with arrogance. some people overrat themselves. you do some useless work, liek you hold the garbage bag while someone puts garbage in it, but you demand the same salary as the Apple VP of RnD earns. you are not that valuable. There are people who cannot create more economic value in a year, than the price of a roll of toilet paper.

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>>135056661
>this is what commies actually believe in

So are here any Maoist or all of you are Marxist-Leninist?

>>135056851
You must be 18 or older to be here, Jimmy. One day you will learn to confront opposing views without throwing your shit on the wall like a monkey.

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>>135056852
> impossible to become 1% in commie society.

>>135056601
National socialism fails to address the class conflict. What happens when jews are gone and there is still problems?

>>135057113
White people are what is stopping communism. All non-white countries have achieved great leaps and strides under a socialist system only to be stopped by eternally racist and imperialist whites.

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>>135056829

Hi

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>>135057154
The capitalists have definitely diluted our side with degenerate nonsense. We will retake the left.

>>135057305
Even i can answer that: you just start to work to fix the rest of the problems. Why did you think that was a real question?

>>135057344
> muh white people are the problem

Alright antifa

>>135057344
>White people are what is stopping communism
Then how about actually trying to appeal to the white working class instead of vilifying it?

>>135057229

Hi Nepal, are you maoist?

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>>135056889
What the hell does being white have to do with your idiotic ideology you shitstain?

>>135057305
and you ensure more class conflict by importing large number of "people" from another race to become an underclass. open borders is the importation of the new proletariat. commies dont want to solve the class conflict, they are creating it, so they can get into power claiming that they are "resolving it". At least here in America.

>>135057269
Fucking lol

>>135057504
He's a confused national socialist

>>135057501
Yes

>>135057247
Not an argument

>>135057504
>>135057456
>>135057470
Stop replying to bait you idiots.

>>135057183
>you do some useless work, liek you hold the garbage bag while someone puts garbage in it, but you demand the same salary as the Apple VP of RnD earns

Salary isn't the same for everyone. You get paid accordingly to the work you do.

>>135057269
This is why the working class must be armed. Still better to have one billionaire in the country than thousands of insidious ones

>>135057229
>>135057583
ML

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8c4LU-eVPwo

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>>135040593
*REEEEEEEEEEEE
pic related

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>>135057229
I think there is no much difference between Marxists-Leninists.

>>135057411
I see. Apparently there are quite a few Wobblies who despise liberal idpol

>>135057501
So what do you lefty pol follow?Are you looking for revolutionary or economic aspect here?

>>135056861
Will every member of the community get to vote on every decision or will there be representatives? And what is stopping those representatives from taking power by delaying or manipulating reelections?

Because they let millions of people starve in the Ukraine.

>>135055819
>would
You apes have ALYWAYS promised utopia but the end result was the exact opposite 10/10 times. Why? Because you subhumans are born to be lazy, worthless, unproductive pieces of the lowest garbage humanity can possibly offer. You deserve to be slaughtered. Commies are the best argument for eugenics. This parasite gene needs to be eradicated.

>>135057305
But there is no problem, don't you see national socialism instead of eradication of classes sees that there exists class cooperation, so that no exploitation happens, so that everyone is being compensated and treated fairly and the state and the legal system corrects any injustices that might aspire.

>>135057418
You can't fix whats inherent within the system.

>>135057661
but you still overrate the value of some peoples work.

>>135057534
Marxism is against globalization as far as I know.

>>135057470
They will never adopt the ideals and it will always end up with race conflict due to their internalized racism. We are in late stage capitalism and white birthrates are falling when they become minorities in their own countries that is the time to start the socialist revolution and drive them out for good.

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And how many of you guys followed Nepal civil war when we threw our monarchy?

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>>135057752
We are looking for all aspects.

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>>135057697
>>135057269
>>135056852

So your taking back the impossible for 1% remark?

>>135056661
>thanks to sudden material abundance
You realize that this world is not paradise, right? There will always be scarcity and capitalism is the best way to counter it.

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>>135040593

>>135057752

We are interested in both, study the soviet union , china, etc, see what failed, what can be improved and prepare the next revolution

>>135048530
So you admit that communism is inferior to social democracy then?

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>>135040593
Communism is vastly inferior to distributism.

>>135057835
That wouldn't be Marxism. People who are higher up in companies who have to do more work are going to be paid more than some garbage man per hour.

>be a marxist
>be against government
>government absolves its control
>socialist state insues
>consenting individuals make spontaneous transactions among one another
>"no not free like that"
>tfw communists hate freedom and believe in the authoritarianism of ppl who are only smart enough to press buttons in a factory

>>135057838
>what is Trotskyism
>what is internationalism inherent in communism

>>135058145
How do you decide who gets what under distributism?

>>135056467
All contracts in capitalism are righteous, because both parties agreed to it without force, but with their free will.

>>135057305
Humans aren't equal and never will be. Too bad your shitstain what you call your "brain" can't possibly process this basic little fact. That is why your idiotic ideology fails and why in the end, we will butcher you limp wristed, emasculated, repugant, useless commie cockroaches. Just have some patience.

>>135058071
Stormfags played the same game even before the commies. What are you trying to prove other than that everyone shills for their own ideology?

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>>135057989
>whites have already figured out how shitty communism is so they must be exterminated so everyone else can suffer under it
Fucking little kike.

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>>135058078
I support this. Every time we do it better. We've become very efficient.

>>135058043
>>135058078
Ah

>>135058258
They aren't given much other option. Obviously you have to agree to it if you have no other choice.

>>135058145
How exactly?

>>135058219
Trotsky was kicked out of the USSR and assassinated. Contrary to what people think, there is quite a bit of disagreement within the left.

>>135058303
Yeah i remember when /pol/ wasn't racist, oh wait.

>>135040593
Stay put, a helicopter has been dispatched to your location courtesy of 'Mi General'

>>135058078
> literaly have to make 1000 mistakes and ruined societies just for the utopia goal

wew lad

>>135058299
If thats the case then you should have no fear over communism since you are paid according to your ability. If Jews are really pulling strings then they have to actually put in work to make money instead of exploiting the goy

>>135057989
This is why you will get slowly beheaded with a dull knife, kike.

Fucking kek.The good old days
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HC-gjIMksg8

>>135058539
not an argument, read the logical fallacy sticky

>>135056402

> There will be very technological advanced infrastructure for everyone use.
You know that we have an electric grid for a hundred years now and it still takes millions of man hours per year to keep it running? Hoping for an autonomously running Utopian infrastructure that just works is a ridiculous proposition. It's on the same level as countering the MUH ROADS argument with jetpacks, because surely in the future everyone will have jetpacks.

Also fuck off with your eugenic shit.

>>135058155
How can you have private companies with communism to begin with are they to be owned in equal part by all the employees? And why couldn't you just regulate wages in a real ideology.

>>135040593
The basic problem with communism is a lack of competition. Without it there is no reason to live.

>>135058539
Like I am afraid of you and your barbaric ways. See you in people's court.

>>135058625
You don't have any arguments either, you shit eating red. Do you have any proof for example that's whites uniquely hold internalized racism? Of course not, you weedy Jew fuck.

>>135058715
Democracy has it's problems. We let the welfare get in.

>>135058804
You have friendly competition yet collaboration. One factory vs another, one project versus another. Of course if there is a major breakthrough it will be spread instead of company trade secrets and patents and the like

USSR had many many different projects for tanks for example.

>>135058484
Is that relevant to what i've said? Do you think there were no commies or liberals before just because someone said nigger? I just stated the fact that stormfronters played this kind of game way before, and it had a huge success apparently.

>>135058804
>"Your barbaric ways"
>see you in a kangaroo court that will surely hand you a cruel death

You are absolutely disgusting.

>>135058482
I know what happened to Trotsky but it is foolish to say that communism would be nationalistic instead of globalistic for that system to function in terms described before it would need to happen everywhere at the same time. And you cannot obviously have a nation state without a state

>>135057989
Communism aka welfare is the source of the decline of families. Blaming capitalism for the failure of communism isn't exactly fair.

>>135059047
It's the fact that the /leftypol/ and r/socialism are actively trying to change the political viewpoints of the entire site.

/leftypol/ even has daily threads about raiding /pol/.

>>135058879
You are inherently racist look at all the death, oppression and suffering caused by you due to empires and Colonies. Blacks enslaved, native Americans killed and sent to cramped housing, 6 million Jews perished, two nukes on Japan, Chinese hooked on opium and many more.

>>135040593
SAGE
A
G
E

>>135059149
Good point. The capitalist nations are trying to tear communist countries up piece by piece. Need worldwide revolution for it to succeed.

>>135058538
btw how are you paid in a moneyless society?

>>135059049
You aren't responding to my post. That is somebody else's response you are quoting.

>>135059286
Well capitalists have the disadvantage defending from the lower ground. They have to defend their failing system.

>>135058538
You dumb little faggot. Once again reveal your incredible retardation. White people aren't going to put in the bulk of the work, so niggers can sit back and relax. There's also this thing called "incentives", a part of human nature, and concept anybody who isn't a complete moron can comprehend. What you claim will happen WILL NEVER happen. Just like all the deluded commie morons tried to tell people only for these poor fuck to end up living in utter misery. Your bullshit idea would quickly fall apart even in a very small and homogenous community, let alone in a nation of hundreds of million people. Fucking moron.

>>135059355
Not gonna happen anytime soon.Other communists are too pussy to do it

>>135059421
Lower stage communism would have labor vouchers. The harder you work, the more vouchers you get. Vouchers can only be exchanged for luxuries and cannot be collected and exploited like with money. Necessities will be fully provided.

>>135059286
I never stated the opposite. I just said that everyone plays this game, even though stormfags did it before everyone else. Again, what were you trying to prove? I'm sure you couldn't have tried to imply that the evil socialists are trying to invade the board and therefore you don't have to listen to any discussion? Is that what you wanted to say? Because that's what it looks like.

>>135059015
The only reason any communist country holds together is the adoption of capitalistic. In the case of the US our system is being bogged down by welfare. We would have come out of the great depression faster if we had done nothing.

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>>135058238
Pic related. The guilds will play an important part in deciding how the businesses get broken up and redistributed.

>>135058426
It gives equality of opportunity, while avoiding equality of outcome.