Can someone give me a quick rundown on Charlie Gard? Why was

>>134842223

The only thing that matters is that fucking toddler to die as soon as possible

>>134842223
>Redpill me on x
Does that baby have a nose?

US doctors said that it's too late so they stopped trying

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>>134842223
>Can someone give me a quick rundown on Charlie Gard?
God wanted the kid to die for some reason.
If we knew the reason we would understand the universe a lot better than we do now.

>>134842223
>he knows too much

>>134842403
Yes because the UK didn't release him. Why did the UK not let his parents take him to the US?

>>134842223
>kids dead
>parents don't want to believe it
>keep it "alive" with machines
>can't move, feel, see, hear, it's dead
>want to get it treatment that won't do shit because it's dead
In more civilized times it would've been abandoned in the woods, everyone would've politely forgotten about it and they would've tried again.

>Death Panels aren't real!

>>134842223
Kid would never have a remotely normal life and require constant care which the state would pay for. The both rational and humane thing to do is let him die weeks if not months ago.

>>134842223
Because the sovereignty of socialized medicine and its death panels can never be questioned.

In all seriousness, the hospital should let the parents seek treatment elsewhere if their own diagnosis indicates it's hopeless. The hospital should just issue a disclaimer absolving them of all responsibilities and obligations to the parents and let them take the child. Even if the experimental medical treatment was ineffective, his results could be studied and offer new directions on researching a more effective treatment. But nope, the arrogant hospital used every legal dirty trick to stall and delay, making sure that their diagnostic prophecy is fulfilled. I hope whoever filed the injunction burns in hell for all eternity.

>>134843666
he could have lived if he was given treatment in january.

>>134843666
Literally none of that is true.

It was a clear case of the government letting a child die when treatment was available, but lolbertarian faggots are just going to ignore this because it isn't about weed.

>>134843791
>life would be difficult
>so let him die

That's a sentimental argument.

>>134843809
This is what I was going for.
Why did the hospital not allow the parents to seek treatment from other hospitals if they deemed the case to be doomed?

>>134843931
The kids arms and legs didn't work plus he had a bunch of brain damage.

Seems like a clear quality of life decision to me. Sentimentality needs to be removed from it.

>>134844167
It was the question of if the child has human rights and should be forced to continue to be experimented upon until the parents run out of money or he dies.

Are the parents making the best decision for him or them? Does the court have to step in to protect the child from it's parents?

>>134844262
Most "quality of life" decisions come down to someone speculating that because someone else might have a difficult life, they'd be better off dead. It's nothing but sentimentality.

The hospital refused to treat him.

>>134844761
>The hospital refused to treat him.
Without reason?

>>134842403
It wasn't 'the UK', it was his doctors in the UK. They refused to do so because they felt there was no chance of success and it would only serve to prolong his suffering. The US doctors and even his parents pretty much agreed, but wanted to try for the infinitesimally small chance.

>>134845316

Because they didnt want to spend the money.

So the parents said, fine, give us our son we will pay to take him elsewhere. And this is where it gets fucked beyond belief, they refused and mandated that the kid must die.

The fucking Pope even offered to take the kid into the Vatican's children's hospital FOR FREE. But even that, the easiest of all PR outs, was rebuffed.

The government wanted to make it clear they decide who lives and who dies. Britain is fucked.

>>134842223

The simple answer lies in two things, OP.

First, there is the nature of the disease. He suffers from the worst of the kinds of Mitochondrial Depletion Syndrome.

So far, the child is already deaf, blind, paralyzed and severely brain damaged as a result of this degenerative disease. In the meantime, it is slowly destroying his organs as well. The child is not, nor will he ever again be able to live without artificial respiration. It will only get worse from here, as the condition is invariably terminal.

The experimental treatment offered in the U.S. may help scientists and doctors better understand the disorder, but it has no chance whatsoever of improving the childs condition or stopping the progression of the disease.

Meanwhile the child will suffer as a result of transport, then if he survives that, he will suffer more as a result of the experimental treatment. In all honesty, this should be called an experiment, not an experimental treatment, as it cannot improve the childs condition. All we can control is a small increase in how long the child will live once his organs all begin failing. It's inhumane.

>>134845753

That argument holds no water. The parents had raised their own money, so it's not as if getting treatment in the U.S. would have been any skin off of the ass of the NHS in terms of funds. The only issue that was ever in question was ethics. Is it ethical to subject the child to an experiment to which they cannot consent, in order to learn more about an invariably fatal genetic disease which in this childs case is already very well advanced, leaving him with zero quality of life?

The courts decided no. Despite the parents grief, it does not entitle them to prolong the suffering of the child when there is, in truth, no hope for him.

The reason there is controversy here is because it's a sensational story, and that the parents and media have convinced laypeople that there is a sliver of hope. Very unfortunately, there isn't. There was never going to be a happy ending to this story.

>>134842223
A terminally-ill child was ordered to be taken off life-support by the state, due to British healthcare being paid for by the state.

The Gard family took issue with their baby being taken off life support when American doctors were willing to do an experimental treatment, but the UK's NHS, having full control of health care and ultimately full control of its citizens' health, refused to, saying it was better medically to let Charlie Gard die. The UK courts and the EU human rights courts agreed.

While Gard had a visa, his own country would not let him go. The US cannot simply extradite someone because they are given residency. This fight continued on, despite the POTUS even lambasting the NHS' refusal, and Charlie Gard's health deteriorated to where the US doctors believed Gard to be past the point of no-return. With no options, the Gard family has given up.

This is literally the death panels that everyone thought were FEMA camp-tier conspiracy. The state controls healthcare, pays for healthcare, and controls access to it. You are not free to pursue treatments even if they're slim, hospitals are not allowed to operate on you if there is too much risk of failure. Your life is literally taken out of your hands, and determined by the government's decision on whether to let you keep trying to live, or to let you die.

Socialists are fucking evil.

>>134846362
That is so fucked up. Do UK citizens not have the right to refuse treatment and seek other methods of care?

That little vegetable died last Saturday.

>>134848825
He wasn't a vegetable. he was responsive and treatment was avaliable.

https://cruxnow.com/global-church/2017/07/07/vatican-hospital-proposes-experimental-treatment-charlie-gard-case-back-court/

>>134842223
The governments and the courts in the UK decided the kid was going to die and while the kid's body withered away for four fucking months in the hospital the parents sued to try to take him to the US for an experimental treatment. The parents decided I think yesterday in court to terminate his life, as his muscles and body had deteriorated to the point where they thought he was fucked for life. In short, remember those death panels the Republicans warned you about? The UK has them and they used it to tie up medical care for a baby in the courts until it was too late. His chances too small, his care too costly. This is socialized medicine.

>>134842223

>Britain doesn't believe in the death sentence for convicted murderers
>Does for infants

>parents think the kid wont die

>doctors disagree

they were prolonging its death cause they are stupid and emotional and not logical

>>134843791
The parents should get to make that decision, don't you think? The state is not God - it does not get to decide who lives and who dies.

>>134846336
>this

>>134849043
But the was a treatment. The hospital decided it was cheaper not to treat him.

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The moral issue of the child's suffering is bullshit. In socialized medicine, doctors have to weigh the cost effectiveness of each procedure. If they believe the patient does not have a reasonable chance of recovery, they won't authorize treatment because it is deemed a waste of taxpayers dollars. It's the unfortunate consequence of socialized medicine that when faced with a life threatening condition, the state has ultimate control over your life. Normally you can go to a more free country like America and pay out of pocket, but The EU is taking this Charlie case to new levels of autism.

>>134846336
Is it ethical to let a child die without treatment, even if a chance existed that it could work?

Your argument is based on an emotional appeal. Lots of treatments cause "suffering", but they are still used.

>>134848937
Lol no

>>134849360
It was not a treatment. It was a therapy which MIGHT have somewhat lessened his symptoms.
He would never be able to see, speak, or move and his brain damage was irreversible.
He was a vegetable and his parents would not let go.

>>134849360
No there was an experimental treatment in another country that had .0000001% chance of keeping him alive so his organs could fail later.

>>134842334

Don't you have some cocaine to cut?

>>134849165
I agree. There's doctors willing to treat and the parents can afford it... How the fuck does the state get involved?

>>134848937

Pretty much this

Why wont NHS buy them a new baby?

>>134842223
In the UK the queen owns your children and she decides what happens to them.

That really is it.

>>134845753
This. The British dictatorship was sending a clear message to its people, "We are in complete control".

>>134846362
Bretty much this.

>>134848721
The parents had money to pay US doctors but the UK didn't allow it. They took custody of the baby and refused to let it live.

>>134850048
When the doctors currently in charge of his treatment say that he's absolutely fucked and releasing him to someone else for experimental therapy (therapy is NOT treatment btw) which they've already read all the data on is hopeless to the point that they believe it to be a violation of their own Hippocratic oath.

>>134842334
I'd rather you die. 2 shots at high noon , or fisticuffs? Faggot.

>>134843861
>Life as an absolute vegetable is worth living

That biomass would even be more valuable in a cow or a pig

>>134846362
And yet they regularly bring in Shitskin children from 3rd world shitholes and perform surgeries on them to save their lives.

>>134850265
Really horrible. I can understand the government refusing to pay for a hopeless treatment, but how can they stop the parents from taking their child to a private doctor?

>>134849165
The gov pays the bills, they might as well be God.

>>134850366
>>134849807

He was still responsive. Not a vegetable.

>>134849815
It was a 10% chance. If I had a 1 in 10 chance of a treatment saving my life, I'd take it.

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>>134849360
Are you retarded? Why are so many people itt so ignorant when you can just look up the case on wikipedia?

The baby is FUCKED beyond redemption

He is deaf
He can't move his eyes
He can't even breath
His heart is failing
His kidneys are failing
He has intense seizures that would result in tormenting pain assuming his defective brain can even "process" pain

His condition has only been recorded 15 times in history and there exists no cure for it. The doctors know 100% that the kid is going to die but the parents are too retarded and only care about "feelz", so what do they want to do? They want to take the baby to the US where they can try a new experimental therapy just to see if the baby can be saved, while the doctors are certain it won't and all it will do is prolong the suffering of the baby.

Why would a bunch of dumbfucks think they know better than professional doctors? Jesus Christ, it had nothing to do with "cheaper" dipshit, they just wanted to relieve the vegetable baby of it's suffering instead of perpetuating it by taking it to the US and making it last longer.

>>134850360
Doctors aren't infallible and the patient always has the right to seek a second opinion

>>134842500
it doesn't get any more christtard than this
>god is giving pain to innocent people but he won't tell us why and we are not smart enough to understand it ITS NOT BECAUSE WE LIVE IN AN UNFAIR AND GODLESS UNIVERSE

>>134850467
But they don't, the taxpayer pays the bill, the government is just the accountant. This is where people lose sight of what a Government really is, it's not their fucking money.

>>134843809
Tl;dr europeons are faggots.

>>134850533

>flag

Also its not about Charlie or his condition, it's about the state stripping two parents of legal custody over their child and euthanizing him

>>134843864
Lolbertarians woukd have allowed the parents to seek treatment for their child , you lolgayfascist faggot. Neck yourself.

>>134843861
No he couldn't. Even if the experimental therapy which hasn't had clinical tests on lab rats had worked exactly as intended the absolutely best case scenario was that he would have remained immobile, blind, deaf and dumb, and maybe lived a few extra months.
His parents were absolutely delusional. They had some of the best children's surgeons in the world saying he had irreversible brain damage and was completely unable to respond to stimuli and could never improve with multiple tests and scans to back it up.
His mothers response was "he's not done fighting and I know best cause muh mothers instinct"
It's bullshit. Complete bullshit.
The kid was a vegetable with no chance of recovery from that state.

the yank doctor in charge of the clinical trial said there was no point in treating thd kid because, er, he has irreversible brain damage which is EXACTLY WHAT THE KIDS FUCKING DOCTORS HAVE SAID ALL ALONG HURRR

>>134850621
>it doesn't get any more christtard than this

Get out of my country. You are not as safe here as you think Brit.

>>134850845
Even if the parents were delusional, you're asserting the government has the authority to make life and death decisions against the will of the family (who presumably knows the wishes of the patient). It's communist bs.

>>134842223
Because in single payer health systems, the state owns you and your children.

>>134850777
No you dumbfuck, it's about the state relieving a child of it's suffering because the parents do not care about the baby suffering tormenting hell as long as he lives and makes the parents feel good about themselves.

The doctors clearly said the baby should NOT be taken to the US, because it would only prolong his suffering since there exists no cure for his condition. The state did the right thing to do, it listened to professional doctors that have sworn the Hippocratic Oath who have recommended that the baby was in pain with no possible cure and should be relieved of it instead of the retarded parents that won't let go because their emotions matter more than the suffering of their infant.

>>134850479
It was not "treatment" and it would not have saved his life.
It was a 10% chance that at BEST he would have been given an extra few months before he died anyway. During those extra months he would still have had total body paralysis and been blind, deaf and dumb.

>white parents fight in courts and raise millions to keep a white vegetable alive
>black parents abort perfectly healthy children as casually as they'd cancel a hair appointment

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>>134848825
ahah finally, less public funds wasted

>>134851152
>implying black women have hair
>implying those that still do would ever cancel a hair appointment

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>>134850870
Don't bother, once 99% of these retard read "NHS", they immediately brought up socialized health-care in their heads and went on to defend the parents without giving it any thought.

All the doctors agreed the baby was beyond saving and was in immense pain, yet all the dumbfucks on /pol/ think it's alright that the baby is suffering because as long as the state does nothing about it, the suffering of a child is perfectly fine.

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>>134851068

>if you treat the illness, it wins

Pls canada I just had these sides replaced

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>>134851320
>Say that the doctors confirmed there is no possible cure
>LOLZ BUT Y DUN DEY TREAT IT? LOL CANADA!!! XDDDDD

Can we please ban all burgers from posting on /pol/? Would significantly increase the IQ on this board

>>134851022
The state will take your child off you if you abuse it, and we don't consider that communist bs.
Flying your artificially sustained vegetable across the world for experimental therapy which offers 0 chance of curing his condition and only a 10% chance of giving him an extra few months as a vegetable is abuse.
He was totally immobile and with no way of perceiving or interacting with the world. He was constantly having seizures. The doctor offering the experimental therapy acknowledged that there was NO chance it would change any of those things.

>>134851320
kek

So this is the power of free healthcare...

>>134851068
>>134851068
Except there was an experimental treatment for him in the US, but I guess fuck trying right? Doctors get to decide who's children live and die now because of the (((Hippocratic oath))). Doctors shouldn't be the fucking deciders of a life they did not create.

>>134842223
UK is holding a US citzen until he dies, won't let the family pay for his treatment in America, death council.

>>134842223
Gotta love all the burgers crying "hurr durr this is what will happen if you have state-funded health care!!!" Piss off. No one will pay for a child in this condition to be kept alive a little while longer. It is a HUGE drain on everyone involved, including the kid. Let G-d take him.

>>134851443
>Canada asking for a range ban
You're adorable, leaf

>>134851320
"Treat"
Stop using this word. There was no treatment. No cure.
THERAPY IS NOT TREATMENT.
The parents wanted an experimental therapy to alleviate his symptoms. There was and is no treatment for the underlying cause.

>>134851504
>there was an experimental treatment

No there wasn't. Stop lying.
Therapy IS NOT treatment.

>>134851598

>if you can't cure it, why bother?

Great argument cuck, I guess we should just toss chemotherapy while we're at it

The parents still have their newly obtained US citizenship, hopefully they'll get the fuck outa the UK.

>>134842500

RIP Douglas Adams

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>>134851504
>Baby was deaf
>Baby was blind
>Baby couldn't breath
>Baby's heart and kidney were failing
>Baby had epilepsy
>Despite baby's paralysis, in reality his brain could still be processing pain and he would in tormenting anguish without anybody known
>Doctors in the UK said he can't be saved
>Doctors in the US said he can't be saved
>Doctors in the US said they might allow the vegetable baby to live for an extra few months

>B-B-B-BUT GUIZE Y DIDN'T WE LET DA AMERIKAN DOCTORZ CURE DA BABY? XDDDDD

Let's also ban leafs while we're at it...

>>134851504
And what would that treatment have actually done? Nothing. Perhaps prolong the little lad's life by a few months but he'd still be a veggie either way.

Not to mention, who would be banking off that "experimental treatment?" Sounds like more pharmaceutical snakeoil.

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>>134850411
The caliphate of the united cuckdom they can, apparently.

The trolls, kikes, and shills don't want what the UK actually did to sink in so they try to make it about other things, this was one fucked up situation and it was used like a big ol' "MUH DIK" at the expense of a family and maybe the child, we'll never really know at this point.

Had this happened even 30-40 years ago we'd have declared war.

>>134851713
The stop giving chemo once it stops doing anything.
In this case even in the absolute best case scenario of this miracle therapy which has never even been tested on mammals exceeding all expectations, the kid would have remained immobile, blind, deaf and dumb and racked by constant seizures. He would maybe have stayed alive to experience that wonderful existence for an extra few months though!

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>>134851732
The parents raised over 1,300,000 dollars through gogo funding

The US clinics gladly smiled and offered to try a completely new "therapy" (Not treatment, cause everybody knew it was gonna die) to increase the baby's lifespan by a few month in return for over a million bucks.

This is why private healthcare is fucking terrible, there is nothing stopping hospitals from screwing people over to drain them out of their money. If this was the US, the doctors would've kept the baby alive and suffering for as long as they could until the parents couldn't pay anymore and then it would be off life support. Good thing nationalized healthcare doesn't allow barbaric shit like this to happen.

>>134851477
>>134851477
Either the child was a vegetable and can't feel suffering, or it was alive enough to have sensation, in which case why not try? Medical research is moving at a fantastic pace. Just keeping the patient alive can offer so much hope. If it's my family and my money, why wouldn't I try?
>>134851504
He's right. Fuck trying right?

>>134851115
>It was not "treatment" and it would not have saved his life.

There was a chance it would have. The parents could have afforded it. The state had no right to intervene.

The actual doctors proposing the treatment seemed confident in it.

>>134851264
>All the doctors agreed the baby was beyond saving

Except the doctors who were demanding the treatment be tried.

>>134852088
>This is why private healthcare is fucking terrible, there is nothing stopping hospitals from screwing people over to drain them out of their money.
Exactly. American health care is a racket.

The satanic pedophile cult running Britbongistan loves to kill children.

Once the parents publicized their son's health issues it became even more of a power trip for the despicable demons running that godforsaken country.

Worst part is that the poor kid had to die in that sandnigger infested, rainsoaked excuse of a country. Were they even allowed to bury him, or was he just shipped off to the local kebab shop for processing?

>>134852141
>There was a chance it would have.

Wrong.
There was a slim chance it could have sustained his existence as a paralysed vegetable unable to see, hear or feel for an extra month or so. Nothing more.

>>134852088
>>134852234
Stop trying so hard to justify your socialist faggotry.

The NHS refused to treat him even when treatment looked promising.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/hospital-treating-charlie-gard-seeks-fresh-hearing-for-terminally-ill-baby-after-new-evidence-on-a3582956.html

>>134852296
But he was still responsive. How many times do I have to tell you faggots?

>>134849360

>muh magic treatment

the kid was going to die either way

>>134852305
It's fucking disgusting, watching leafs and broken teethed brits defend this becuase they're so fucking insecure about their little liberal dictatorships.

>>134852296
Bullshit, if it was so impossible then let him go for treatment. When he dies say i told you so and move on.

This was a deliberate and cruel exercise of the Crowns power over human life.

>>134852345
Even worse if true as it suggests he could actually feel the pain from the constant seizures which wracked his body. Which would not have stopped with nucleoside therapy.

>>134852345

someone hooked up to a machine that breathes for them is TECHNICALLY alive.

but are they alive?

>>134842223
Pay respects.

>>134852414
People literally died to get universal health care here.

The kid is incurable. Let him rest in peace.

>>134852579
Alright buddy, I'll be fair with you.

You are right, but this situation and the outraged associated with it has nothing to do with what you're getting at. Yeah? That's the issue.

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>>134852305
>The NHS refused to treat him even when treatment looked promising.

>Doctor proposing the treatment himself said it was unlikely
>Said treatment was never, EVER, done before in a similar case
>guize i swear it was promising

Next time, try telling me it was promising when the American doctor HIMSELF that proposed the nucleoside treatment said it was very unlikely to change anything, you stupid dumbfuck

http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Senpai/2017/972.html

>"Seeing the documents this morning has been very helpful. I can understand the opinion that he is so severely affected by encephalopathy that any attempt at therapy would be futile. I agree that it is very unlikely that he will improve with that therapy. It is unlikely."

This was by the doctor that was going to try the treatment himself. Damn, why are all people arguing against the NHS here so fucking retarded?

>>134852579
And they're still dieing to get it.

>>134852234
It's how they pay for research. To fix rare conditions for our citizens instead of just letting them die.

>>134851264
i know right

ridiculous, they are still wallowing in that death panel stuff the republicans crammed down their throats a few years ago

>>134851658
There was a story a few days ago about a toddler who drowned, 15 minute under water, severe brain damage. Given oxygen therapy - has recovered to pre accident cognition, can walk, talk with minimal side effects.

>hurr durr impossible, kill that child, this is all quackery

Fuck off cuck, keep sucking that crown cock.

>>134852768
It's only ridiculous becuase it literally happened and you're asshurt about it, take off your meme flag.

>>134851658
>>134851730
Doesn't matter if the chances are 1 in a billion. It's THEIR CHILD, not the fucking governments. Miracles happen all the time, and they totally ruined any chance for one. Gee no wonder atheism is so fucking popular we keep stifling any chance to let God work a miracle.
Look, I don't know all the bullshit Jew laywer legal ramifications, but if that was me I would have just taken my child and ran. But then of course it's been a big media circus. I really honestly think that the British government is using this to send a message. Fucked up

>>134852813
>15 minutes

Wow.
Now how about an 8 month old kid who has spent his entire life unable to supply his cells with adequate energy with it getting progressively worse over time?
Yes. Recovery or even improvement is impossible. Let the kid go.

>>134852669
We didn't have a health care crisis before Harper fucked with the funding.

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>>134852296
i fucking hate britcucks, i hope someone nukes that god forsaken island

>>134852903
>me I would have just taken my child and ran.

And it would have died in a minute (which would actually have been better for the child come to think of it) because it can't even breathe without being hooked up to a ventilator.

>>134842223
It would prove the British health care incompetent, and also lower BBC ratings since most people think that The Doctor is an actual medical doctor and not an illegal immigrant

>>134852903
>Miracles happen

Why is everyone on the parent's side so scientifically illiterate? Why is it that despite BOTH the American and British doctors saying the kid is beyond saving, that you, as a high-school dropout with a sub-100 IQ insist that the baby can still be saved through some miracle?

>I would have just taken my child and ran

If you took the baby away it would've instantly died lol. How many times do I have to repeat this : The baby can't even BREATH on it's own, it's a dead vegetable. God, a few years ago I thought women getting late abortion despite doctors telling them not to was bad, this is 10000x worse.

>>134853151
Stop doing your kike raindance and face the issue people are presenting to you instead of creating the narrative in your fucked up little head.

>>134853058
>12 posts by this ID
you seem morbidly invested in the idea that this kid deserves death because your healthcare and legal systems are absolute shit.

>>134853260
Even as a guy who only took Bio 1 in college, reading up the baby's condition really made me realize how fucked it was. The true miracle is how he was kept alive for so long despite not producing mitochondrial DNA (not supplying energy to cells), modern technology is truly amazing. However, cure is really impossible for the moment being.

What terrified the doctor was the possibility of the baby actually feeling pain, but not showing it since it was completely paralyzed. The baby's body could still work (several organs still functioning) and this indicated neurosensory activity which could include sensory of pain. Ceasing it's torment was the humane and merciful thing to do.

>>134853634
Again, you ignore the point of the issue.

The UK did not have the right to sentence death on a US citizen, you can ignore it all you want, you can dance around the point and scream your shit over and over and over, it won't change the focus of the argument no matter how much you try.

>>134853692

his genes sentenced death on him

not the UK

>>134853634
And don't you sit here with a straight face and try to tell me a more united America of the past wouldn't have taken this to military intervention levels.

This situation has NOTHING to do with the chances the child had of survival and you know it.

>>134853744
Why are you all leafs?

What are they putting in your water?

>>134843628
All UK citizens are the property of the state, they get the final say in anything life and death related.

They can even harvest your organs when you die unless you specifically state you don't want them to.

>>134842334
Fpbp

>>134853692
>The UK did not have the right to sentence death on a US citizen

I don't know what to say to this. This remark is so astoundingly stupid I am speechless to it.

>>134853765
>And don't you sit here with a straight face and try to tell me a more united America of the past wouldn't have taken this to military intervention levels.

Oh my god just KYS already

Ban burgers already hollywood has fucked them up in the head too much

>>134853929
>Lalala I can't hear you
>KYS
>Do you hate Canada more yet?

-t. Shills

>>134853765
>>134853692
The kid was given instant American citizenship as a political ploy. Tell me: if Trump and the GOP care so much about "muh children" why do they continue to engage in drone warfare which indiscriminately kills kids? This move was merely to appease your "values voters".

>>134842334
This is why I love you, Anon.

>>134842223
Here's your quick rundown OP
>Baby was alive
>Baby was dying
>Baby is kept alive with our modern medical innovations
>Bongs suddenly decide they dont want to keep Baby alive.
>Parents refuse to let Bongs kill their baby
>Pope and the US decide to give Baby treatment for free.
>Bongs still wont let the parents take their baby
>After a bunch of strangers call the parents "literally Hitler" for wanting to keep their child alive, they decide to let it die as well
>Now Bongs have innocent blood on their for the thousandth time
There, that's exactly what happened, which goes against the core of medical practice since Hippocrates.
>buh buh it was already dead
>if youre not a 6'5" blonde olympic athlete then you might as well kys
No, it was still alive and well. There are people with over 6 heart transplants that are kept alive with their own money, yet when some of the citizens tries to save their kid or a grandfather or a sister then they suddenly turn into half-human zombies who are only alive because (((they))) havent killed you yet.

You Anglos disgust me, how youre so utterly deluded as to think this was the right thing. May God judge you accordingly, since I cannot do so.

>>134854038
Shills for what?

Read my link earlier, it talks about the subject of pain

>When cross examined by Ms. Butler-Cole for Charlie's Guardian, Professor A said that Charlie is likely to have the conscious experience of pain.

This baby was most likely enduring tormenting pain while it was paralyzed and could not do anything about it. Do you have ANY idea how cruel that is? Leaving the child alive for even the few months the therapy might have given him is so thoroughly inhumane all the doctors involved should've been killed.

Want to know what's even more cruel than this? The doctor that proposed the treatment saying he did it for the money

>It was later disclosed that the US doctor had financial interests in the treatment.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Gard_case#Litigation

Americans truly are the worst scumbags ever when it comes to healthcare. Money, literally all they care about. This is why your healthcare system is both barbaric AND shit for non-rich people.

>>134853765
Burgerland didn't even want to intervene militarily when one of its own was imprisoned and most likely beaten to near death in Best Korea.

>>134854259
This. Over and over again this.

Goddamn >>134854342

How are you so fucking blind? Does it come with multiple injections of government mandated nigger semen injections?

>>134850621
>>134850896

OH SHIT SILVIO DANTE IS GONNA GET YOU, BETTER WATCH YOUR BACK BONG AND GET YOURSELF SOME DEFENSIVE GABAGOOL

>>134854259
>>Baby is kept alive with our modern medical innovations
>>Bongs suddenly decide they dont want to keep Baby alive.
You're missing a few things here.

>>134854373
True, but he was a snowflake faggot who thought he could do whatever he wanted in fucking NKorea, not a baby.

>>134854146
>citation needed
link drone strikes that targeted kids directly. Your argument is a falacy and you a fucking moron

>>134854342
>Money, literally all they care about. This is why your healthcare system is both barbaric AND shit for non-rich people.
You're confusing healthcare and coverage
The health coverage industry is money grubbing, and an obstacle to getting treatment, not the healthcare industry

>>134854469
Americans don't care if their drones kill kids in Yemen or Afghanistan. On what basis is this baby's death so important that the US Congress has to intervene?

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>>134854259

>>134842223
RIP Charlie Tard

>>134854517
Good point, kinda mixed the two. Yes the coverage is shit, but the healthcare is very good if you can afford it. That's not most of us though.

>>134854541
I guess i should have never expected a leaf to understand the difference between war and problems at home. If you cant see the difference between the two situations cant help you. I will say the treatment could have cured the baby, albiet probably not, but could have let us learn how to cure other babies in the future.

>>134843628
UK is the shitty country that allows infanticide. No surpirse that, like all made up "rights", the government forced it.


The Queen deserves to be overthrown for this. You can bet your ass that the lives of her grandchildren wouldn't've been treated so carelessly if they were in that kid's position.

>>134849442
This is pretty much the NHS in a nut shell. The thing is, Charlie brought it to the forefront because he was an infant, but it's not new. This happens every day in the UK to the elderly, and adults with high risk treatment needs like experimental/expensive treatments and medications for cancers or rare/uncommon ailments.

Before the BBC got fucked beyond belief, they did countless stories on how poor the NHS care was for UK citizens. To the point they had to have a 3rd party team of investigators lead by a US research team. They graded facilities, areas, and care, and wrote up reports on how to improve. Most ratings were failing grades. Elderly people left in hallways, unseen for hours on end, languishing in pain, suffering, some even forgotten. In one BBC report an elderly person had died waiting to be seen, no one knew, and an orderly noticed and just pulled a sheet over them. Wtf is that shit. Others die from cancers easily treated abroad because the series of radiation and treatment is too expensive, so they artificially put off treatments, hoping the patient dies waiting. It's disgusting, and this, this is what the democrats and Bernie Sanders wants for the US. No fucking thank you.

>>134842334
Kool digits - trips

>>134844262
People with brain damage aren't the ones committing suicide and being all depressed.

>>134854647
Well there you got, out of all the retarded Americans itt, there's at least one that gives a good reason for going for the treatment which everybody knew would not work and was only done for money.

At least the baby could've sacrificed itself for science and we could've observed the effects of the nucleoside treatment on the genetic condition of the baby. Doctors should've fooled the parents into accepting this but guess they felt way too bad about the baby suffering.

>>134842223
Nice digits

>>134854844
>At least the baby could've sacrificed itself for science

>Literally spent the whole thread screaming it was already dead

Do you have a point or are you just trying to win an argument?

>>134843666
Triple 6
Noice

>>134852391
We're all going to die. But they didn't even allow him that chance.

>>134852462
Pain is no reason to let someone die.

>>134852464
Yes.

>>134852661
>Not found

Very compelling evidence.

>>134846336
Your argument is shit. We cure things by treating illnesses and learning about what works. Your sick idea of morality is the very thing that the medial community exists to combat. We'd've cured NOTHING if we resorted to your shitty form of fatalism where we don't even try to fix things because of the perceived effects not being all perfect.


People like you need to be executed. There's no place in this world for you.

>>134849807
Doesn't justify killing him.

>>134853805

prolonging a childs suffering is not something id want as a doctor

the parents were fucking selfish

>>134854999
>We'd've cured NOTHING if we resorted to your shitty form of fatalism where we don't even try to fix things because of the perceived effects not being all perfect.
This x1000 people had to die over and over and over again before we found cures to various diseases over the years. Treatments HAVE TO BE REFINED through actual use in medicine.

>>134855063
This is about so much more than that shallow line of thought you keep pushing.

It amazes me that you can't see it.

>>134854918
Yes, it was paralyzed and was going to 100% die shortly, but we could've still given it the nucleoside treatment to see the effects of the treatment on the baby.

Don't misunderstand, it's still 100% going to die, but you know, for science, let's see what the treatment does for cells lacking mitochondrial DNA. While all of this is done, baby is still alive and feeling the pain, which is terrible though but hey we learned some new stuff.

I wouldn't do it to my baby, but if Charlie's parents are stupid enough then we should've went on with the treatment, for the sake of science.

>>134854999
Noice
Triple 9

>>134854430
I'm not missing anything. What youre missing is that this is one of hundreds more cases where the (((government))) decides what's best for you without asking.

Dont you dare ask for help. You deserve Big Brother.

>>134854994

http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Senpai/2017/972.html

My bad, posted wrong one.

>>134855140

yes, every parent wants their child to live. but that "experimental surgery" would probably put them in even MORE pain.

they had no chance at a normal life. treating the kid like a guinea pig is not right.

>>134855086
NO, THE CHILD DESERVES DEATH BECUASE HIS PARENTS SELFISHLY WISH FOR HIM TO TO BE HEALTHY!

>>134855156
I understand that when you look at specific parts of the equation in a vacuum it can be explained away, but that's not how reality works.

The overall situation is fucked up on every level and the UK made the wrong calls on things they shouldn't have had a say in.

>>134854994
>>134855229

Lol oops 4chan autocorrect fucked up the link, replace "Senpai" in the link with "senpai" and it works. Fucking hiroshimoot...

Check the link out, it's the trial. The US doctor admits the treatment wasn't going to work and did it for the money (1.5 million $).

>>134852141
>The actual doctors proposing the treatment seemed confident in it.

I'm confident that I can surgically implant wings onto you that will allow you to fly, if you give me 2 million dollars

*no refunds

>>134855279
We can argue about heart or mind until we're both blue in the face, either one leads back to the UK's broken government.

We spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on every worthless shitskin parasite in our countries but we can't attempt to cure or at least learn from in order to support or cure in the future?

No, you're not going to change my mind on this, it's so fucking clear how fucked it all is.

>>134855431
You're not a doctor, but a subhuman retard posting on a Malaysian Chicken Plucking forum.

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>>134855300
FUCK YOU AND YOUR DIGITS

REEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>134855377
Fucking filters.

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>>134855431
Or, you know, not die. But same thing.

>>134855504

I agree, fuck the shitskins, they dont deserve a dime. I just don't think it's right to use a baby as a lab rat. for science, it might potentially yield valuable data, but ethically I disagree with the idea.

yes, it is fucked. but we can't become CHINA where there are no regards for anything, and the ends justify the means.

>>134855570
Yep it was f*am in the link instead, the filters are beyond retarded

>>134855524
The point he's making is right though. The American doctor proposing the treatment knows it's bullshit and won't work but does it anyway cause he about to get 1.5 million $ for what will be prolonging the lifespan of a vegetable by a few months.

Here is further evidence that Anglos are messed up and morally corrupt.
http://adc.bmj.com/content/90/8/822

Funny how the only """"therapy"""" available to the child is from shekelstein the Yank doctor at the cost of a million quid. It's almost like American healthcare is more interested in which snake oil it can bankrupt you with, rather than actual healthcare.

>>134855661
But we're not becoming China, the USA, the fucking Vatican, they were like "Wait a fucking minute, that baby is not your citizen, you can't just sentence it to death, give us a chance, at the very least we can learn something that might save another life in the future" That's how medicine works.

They looked down their noses and said "No."

That's grounds for WAR my dude.

>>134855799

I agree that the state/country shouldn't be able to decide, it should lie in the hands of the parents only. that part is fucked up.

I used to think doctors were better than lawyers, but the pharma industry suggests otherwise. they are basically drug dealers now. see: opioid crisis

>>134855799
What would the NHS gain by keep the vegetable on life support? Nothing.

They could send it elsewhere and save money, there's no problem. The real problem is the ethical issue here. The longer the baby lives, the more it suffers, and the UK trial found it inhumane to allow the baby to suffer any longer by letting it go to the US/Vatican for bogus treatments that were already known to not work in advance.

Could've still been done in the name of science, but that would've been too cruel.

>>134855931
You seem like a reasonable guy, I'm not arguing just to shit on you or anything, it's just very obvious to me that the UK didn't have the right to do what they did, and this whole thing is giant dick waving contest, which is why it's all so disgusting.

>>134855976
Not everything is about gains, and I doubt they had the ability to ask the baby if it felt it deserved to die.

This isn't like when some libtard goes to NORK and steals propaganda, it's a 100% innocent life that was forced into a situation it had no control over, and the government of another nation than the one the child was born/a citizen of decreed that he die.

I don't fucking hate you or anything, I just cannot see how you don't get the point of the outrage here.

>>134855300
That's all it was though, a wish. It wasn't possible. If you wish for the impossible you should know well enough to give up and try something else.

>>134842223
All must suffer to preserve the good name of Are NHS, envy of the world!

>>134856116

oh I understand, I do think it's bullshit how a COUNTRY can decide or have priority over the biological parents. That should never happen.

>>134856221
Well then we both agree, the UK fucked up.

I'm not delusional, I'm just trying to paint the picture for what it is, the UK fucked up.

>>134842223
Because he's a vegetable and they think he's sensing pain. The flight would cause him more pain and discomfort for zero benefit. Just let him go ffs. I had to let my wife go. It's not easy but deep down you know you have to.

>>134855796
Momentum shill detected.

>>134842223
And while people with a functioni brain understand that pain isn't a life worth living, MAGA supporters and youtubers call out "socialized healthcare".

No please, just take a moment and think if you yourself would prefer death over being tied to an artificial breathing machine, unable to move, with constant pain.

>>134843628
government knows best anon, now go on to bed you've got a big day tomorrow, stop thinking and rest

>>134856451
>You gave up on your wife so you want other people to be as weak as you

lol okay

I just really hope they let the poor kid die at home. Didn't the hospital refuse to let them take him home to die?

>>134856547
except we can treat and stop pain. Its not that hard. Getting rid of pain is literally the easiest thing to treat in the world.

fuck off with your muh pain argument.

>>134856451
I wonder what your wife would have had to say.

>>134842223

He is white.

>>134856547
Constant pain is better than letting someone condemn themselves.

I wonder if I should write an explicit statement telling doctors dying is not in my "best interests" in case some crook tries to claim otherwise. I would honestly advice Anglos to so so.

>>134856842
Good point.

How many of you would sign a waver that said "Kill me if I'm in pain"?

>>134842223
UK is an Orwellian state where you have no say in anything, everything, including your children, belongs to the government and any feel of freedom is just an illusion. The End.

>>134856842
>Constant pain is better
As long as you're not the one suffering, right?

>>134856972
I wouldn't. I'd just say "load me up on fentanyl patches."

>>134857026
Really gnawing at that one bone you got.

>>134857082
Exactly, without any religious horseshit we have no idea what happens when we die; Don't fucking kill me just take away my pain and do what you can if someone's willing to try and save me.

>>134857147
Yeah, and if the pain was THAT BAD I'd just off myself then. I don't need someone to make that decision for me.

>>134857236
I've been in this shithole for over a decade and I'm one of the biggest shitposters you'll ever meet, the website is my personal playground.

But for certain issues I just can't even fathom how people are OK with it, this being one of them.

>>134842334
fpbp

>>134856671
No it's not. Treating the pain causes the airway to relax. It doesn't sense so it doesn't cough which is why so many people in a vegatative state die from pulmonary problems and chest infections. You slowly drown. That is not comfortable or pain free. See your loved one drowning and in pain then talk to me about what you'd do.

If the brain is dead the human is dead.
Thats all there is to the story.

>>134856683
She knew I loved her with all of my heart and count the days until I get off this shitty spinning rock.

>>134842223
He bit someone's finger, so he must die

>>134857099
>dude horrible constant is great just lmao
Sorry your argument is shit to begin with.

Honestly people take the whole life is sacred thing too far sometimes.

In this case the Goverment did the right thing. Their was 0% chance of saving him so why prolong his suffering?

Frankly in modern times we keep a bunch of people alive that we proablly shouldn't, but then the problem becomes where do you draw the line?

>>134843864
PAY FOR MY HEALTHCARE

>>134857752
Love is suppose to be unconditional, it's suppose to be unreasonable.

>>134857820
Sorry that my thought processes are too advanced for you Pedro

>>134857826
>Another leaf

What in the actual fuck.

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>>134842223
I've been following his story since the start and its one of the biggest wastes of time/money I've seen in a while.

Charlie Gard was born completely fucked, his lung, muscles, eyes, ears and pretty much everything else don't work, this kid is basically a vegetable. His parents pointlessly fought to prolong his suffering while the UK government decided that this kid should die since its pointless keeping him alive and its costing a fuck ton of tax payers money.

Eventually his parents got lots of money to go to the US for 'treatment' but this 'treatment' doesn't really do a whole lot and will just prolong his pointless existence as a glass child. The UK Government held onto him until they finally let him go, now that he's been seen by US doctors they've ruled that this kid is truly fucked and has to die.

Thanks Charlie Gards parents for wasting tons of money and time.

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>>134857826
the problem with this is the fact that the government is able to decide who lives and who dies. you may agree with this decision, but the fact that the government is in charge of the final decision as to whether someone gets to live or die is a scary and dangerous precedent

>>134842223
Can I get a quick rundown on this?

>>134857939
>the UK government decided that this kid should die

Only part of your shillage that matters.

>>134857889
>love is selfishly holding on to someone who is suffering for my own comfort
American logic in a nutshell.

>>134857889
Please Keith, your response to someone suffering is to stand around and act like a proud sadist.

>m-muh painkillers
Those work all the time, right? Chronic pain is a myth.

>>134858024
UK government decided to kill a child and condemn them to hopelessness in order to wave their dicks around despite multiple sources saying they'd try to save the life for free.

That's really the jist.

>>134842500
god is a faggot and you're the bottom who believes this shit

>>134858097
>Going after my country when I'm talking about your personal love and heart for your wife.

Yeah, she's better off.

>>134858101
In first world nations we don't try to cure things with raindancing and sacrifices so I'm not sure how to go about this argument with you.

>>134845647
Aaaand for money old chap...

>>134842223
He retarded no need to keep him alive.

>>134858210
Paying 1.5 million dollars for """experimental""" treatment just to prolong a vegetable's suffering is the kind of thing you hear about in my country, Channing. Enjoy being hooked to a machine for the rest of your sore ridden years.

>>134858498
He says unironically connected to a computer for most of his life.

>>134842223
Nature is always stronger in the end.

The baby's weak genes were not meant to survive, so it is absolutely fine what happened, it is good for society.

>>134859175
Agreed. It's sad, but the time, resources, and emotions the parents have sunk into this doomed child could have been invested in a new child, which is the entire point of coupling and breeding in the first place.

>>134859405
>>134859175
>Pretending that your biological need to breed circumvents the advancement of humanity in general and the political landscape of entire fucking countries.

If /pol/ is anything it's self centered.

>>134858011
The problem is that the said government is anti-White and not interested in strengthening the White race. In contrast, a good government could sterilse the 10% of the population with the weakest genes. Measures used could be fitness tests, IQ, number of friends, height, lack of heriditary illnesses, academic or professional achievements. Of course there would not be 100% accuracy, but still it would be right on the whole and lead to constant improvement over time.

>>134859756
Meme flags were a mistake.

>>134860121
Found the fat, dumb, friendless manlet ridden with genetic diseases living from welfare.

>>134860372
>Implying you'll bait me into anything

Kek

>>134842223
I don't know much about this case. Just that the poor baby is in distress and massive pain.
I'm not sure why this has so much publicity; sure, it's a 'human interest' story for the media and loads of hype.

Also tragic. I'm a single dad as my wife died in 2012 in a car crash. I have an 18 year old daughter from her.

Without wishing to sound callous, sometimes a peaceful death is mercy. I read somewhere that the doctors caring for this baby were convinced that he was 'in distress'. That's a euphamism that medics use for in massive pain. I know this as my daughter was in distress during birth. My wife had a prosthetic hip because of bone disease and our baby was in the wrong posistion. The medics used a tool to turn her head; she had bruises all over her skull after that. It was a difficult birth.

I feel for the parents. They have raised a lot of money to get their child treatment. They obviously love him. But and it's a big BUT; there is very little hope that this child will live, even with treatment. I'm religious and anti-abortion. My father in law was a senior physician. I had a conversation with him about things like this - muddy ethical waters.

What to do? I don't know. There is so much suffering in this life. The parents and the baby are in a terrible situation. May God help them.

>>134843864
>Literally none of that is true.
Are you really this dense? Do you read past headlines?

>>134856671
Keep feeding the medic jew, amerifat.
Never change in your gullible ways.

>>134856842
You know shit, because you never experienced it for yourself.