What do you think, who shot down MH17?

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We all know it was some random miner who just randomly pushed all the buttons in captured BUK anti air missile system right?

>>134808237
The jews

What are the two theories? I've heard the Russian """"rebels"""" fired at it in some attempt to frame the ukranians. I've also heard the ukranians shot it down because they thought it was a Russian plane carrying some important guy or some shit.

The real question is why those chinks were flying over a warzone in the first place. Did they know either side had beefy anti-air missiles in place? Or was this the first time we learned about it?

>>134809008
Sorry, I do not understand jokes in english.

>>134809442
Russian soldiers did it.

>>134809280
That's what is so sketchy about it. Ukrainian air traffic control actually rerouted the plane to go over an active warzone where Ukrainian bombers were flying daily. So even if it was the Russians they had good reason to believe it was the Ukrainian army

>>134808237
What a way to go, strapped to a chair plummeting to the earth knowing you are powerless to do anything

Atleast you got a free roller-coaster ride that far surpasses anything at Alton Towers.

>>134809280

To be honest, given how this entire clusterfuck went

I'm willing to bet it was a third party who did it as a false flag so thing would go fubar

>>134808237
I don't know what to believe anymore.
It genuinely wouldnt surprise me if it was shot down by the west in revenge for the annexation of Crimea

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>>134809574
But they could not do it.

Russian troops

>>134809828
Where the fuck would you be and what would you be doing right now, if it weren't for the West as you call us.

>>134808237
>What do you think, who shot down MH17?
Subhuman slavs
/thread

>>134808237
in the months before it, several things went down
local woman posted a video how bombers were shadowing passenger flights so rebels couldn't shoot at them
a passenger flight in england disappeared from radar for about 20 minutes
i believe one of the tailing bombers was fitted to jam the jet's transponder so that the buk only saw the bomber

>>134808237
What difference, at this point, does it make?!

>>134808237
Serves them right for flying over those subhumans.

>>134808237
>>134809225

Kushner.

>>134808237
literally flew over an active war zone, could have been anybody, and no ones at fault but the pilot for all the lives lost.

Guys I only have five minutes before they come and get me. But I want you to know that a person on the airplane had critical information on the Bogdanoff Brother's plans for world domination. I would say more but I have to run.

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>>134809008
do you understand how draft system works?

do you think after russians finish their military service, comes Man in Black and flash them to forget evrything they learned?

>>134808237
>>134809574
>>134809971
It wasn't Russian soldiers. But it was some retarded Pro-Russia rebel who wanted to use the cool new toy (BUK) that Putin gave him. Little did he know at the time that it was a civilian airliner instead of a military plane. While you can't blame the airline idk why the fuck they were flying over a warzone in the first place, regardless of the most efficient flight paths.

>>134810364
It does not give anything, Apparently you are so soft that you can be crushed by trucks and cut with benzo-saws, which the Arabs do, your tactic is the silence of the lambs. I'm just wondering what people think about it in the west.

Rebels did it by mistake with a buk brought over from on Russia.

Dozens of flights went over that area every day, no one expected the rebels to have a high altitude SAM. Bad luck and dumb slavs.

>>134810606
>"oh boy another shitty conflict. Probably bunch of sand nigs with AKs"
>"reroute? I wont fly 2 hours longer because of some nogs with guns"

>>134808237
Wasn't shot down. It was the Malaysian Airlines flight that went 'down' a few months before, to drum up war with the Ruskies.

>>134811283
There were flights over Syria after mh17 went down. This shit happens far more often than people think.

>>134810950
The thing is Russian army is nothing but a joke. Literally marching and cleaning all day long. There's nothing to forget if you don't learn anything. The only forces capable of doing war are special forces.

>>134811345
Boeing jets have unique serial numbers down to the bolts. Impossible to fake.

>>134811529
As in the company HQ'd in Burgertown.

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>>134808237
Benghazi SAM

>>134810120
>>134810120
Constantinople, if you did not interfere with , this city was called that way

I'm pretty sure it was a mistakes
made by the pro-russians rebels with Russian support. IMHO it's far too bold for a west originated false flag.


The same kind of idiotic fuck ups already happened when USA shot down a civilian Iranian plane.

>>134811073
found the cnn watcher

>>134812054
>IMHO it's far too bold for a west originated false flag.
>All of world's brightest AIDS scientists on one plane shot down by """mistake"""
Kys retard.

Why is it important? Passengers were mere eurocucks who thoughts it was a good idea to fly in war zone.

>>134812309
Who gives a shit about AIDS anymore, it's a non problem for peoples from 1st world countries and peoples dying in third world countries is just another monday.


GTFO with this conspiracy bullshit, try to be less american.

>>134812054

rebels never had buks, so it's some regular army either ukr or rus

>>134812309
>brightest AIDS scientists

you mean guys who knew it is a hoax?

>>134809828
>if it was shot down by the west in revenge

The West doesn't give a fuck about the Ukrainian niggers on that plane.

>>134808237
rural and suburban retards

>>134812670
Rebels are mixed with russian military. They had buks and wanted to down an Ukrainian plane but did a oopsies.

At the end, who still give a fuck? Some aviation authority and some fucker's families: it's old history already.

>>134808237
Russia did it, and probably thought they were shooting at the Ukrainian air force.
Look at the Holland report on the shoot down the missile was triangulated to have been fired from separatist held area, and the missile was a BUK missile. Dont forget the video evidence of a BUK driving around separatist controlled area.

All this said its obvious that it was a mistake.

>>134813029
>Rebels are mixed with russian military.

no

> They had buks

only platform that is basically a tractor

Sorry if im wrong since i'm not really hardcore into the russia-ukraine situation but wasnt there a picture that shown that russia tried to photoshop a western jet into a picture?

>>134813267
>Holland report

that never investigated urks while they had 30 buks in that region, so that report is a sage

>>134813742

not officials but some TV head like Hannity in US

>>134813764
Let me guess you haven't read it right?

If you had you would know how they Triangulated the trajectory of the missile. Math is not biased sorry not sorry ruski.

Jews shot it down just like they did with the one over Sinai.

Troops loyal to the Bandera Nazi regime in Kiev shot it down.

Malaysia Airlines uses a paint scheme similar to that used by the Russian Govt.

Over zealous troops loyal to Kiev shot it down.
They thought they were going to be big MOFOs bringing down a big Russian plane but instead got a Malay plane.

>>134813974

there was no "front line", so all this "rebel controlled areas" means nothing. Wrong assumptions renders math model useless sorry my danenigger.

>>134814200
>Bandera Nazi regime

chill out dude

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>>134814215
No front line EL OH EL. Honestly m8 do you believe the things you are saying or are you that indoctrinated? To believe Russia cannot make any mistakes ever.

Go read the report with an open mind you might accept the truth.

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>>134808237
I shot it down with my narcissism as I stayed home and didn't contact anyone, of course.
my narcissism magic is ultrapowerful
I control everything by doing nothing and saying nothing according to retards who love labeling ppl as narcissistic

>>134814552
Please don't think that every Russian is defending this shit.

>>134814552
>No front line

exactly like it was, only key points were controlled either be rus or urks. That was not WW2.

> accept the truth

sorry but your agenda pushing effort is obvious

>>134808237

considering the enormous amounts of false flags carried out by the (((americans))) or their allies and cia terrorists, I personally think it was the (((ukrainian))) military. false flag shit, blow up via (((media))), force international crisis, get (((nato))) involved.

after all, the same shit happened in Georgia not long ago and I happened to be in the region (south ossetia) shortly before the russian invasion so I saw what happened to the people.

>>134814926

kokol you have go back

btw way I do not "defend" this because:

1) I don't care about lives of euros

2) I do not suggest that rus military did not shot it down. That is possible. I just pointed out that dutch report is bogus.

>>134815113
you might actually be retarded

>>134814552
>accept the truth
what is the truth then?
no one knows who shot it down, and the only people you can blame is the pilot and the airline.

>>134815272

coming from an american, this is a rather weak insult

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>>134809797
ah, it makes sense now.

Ukraine shot it down to make Russia look bad in hopes of Europe helping Ukraine with Crimea.

You all know this is the truth.

Definitely the UKRs, people seriously underestimate Russian intelligence and Putin had absolutely nothing to gain for shooting it down.

>>134815320
The truth is everyone makes mistakes, some forget their keys. Others misfire a missile and kill 250 people instead of a Ukranian plane.

>>134815717

ok, but why rus not urk who "forget their keys"? both had buks

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>What do you think, who shot down MH17?

Trigger happy russian rebels, who else? There were numerous ukrainian sorties preceding the incident and fierce battles so it isn't really that surprising.
Also, the retards who chose the flight path because they could save some shekels that way should be convicted. (inb4 muh altitude, they weren't flying over goatfuckers and their ak47s)

>>134808237
The short story:
- No clear evidence that rebels had even the means to reach Boeing, so only one side was capable of - Ukrainian.
- It was destroyed most likely not even by Buk, but with something like Python 5.
- The Dutch are covering it up because of geopolitics (strong US ally).
- The most shocking part is, MH17 was destroyed on purpose, most likely to unite the position on severe sanctions of all EU countries. The severe sanctions were imposed a week after MH17 - not a coincidence.

>>134815866
Because the separatists dont have airplanes. Also why do you care so much? According to the egdemeister himself
>1) I don't care about lives of euros

>>134815232
You can go and fuck yourself with your assumptions. I'm from Moscow and my family from both sides was living here since fucking forever.
1) that's a shame, why don't you want to live in peace with them?
2) my bad

>>134808237

The same crew of aliens that got MH370.

>>134816164

you are either kokol or liberst kike from Berdichev, go back or kys

do not interfere in Russian affairs

>>134812550
But the HIV/AIDS specialists... they could save the world.

>>134808237
Some of the brightest minds in cancer research were on that plane

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khokol pigtards of course

>>134816158
This just shows how clueless you are in these matters. Ukrainian army was covering the skies from potential Russian planes or invasion in the East, not rebels.

>>134816137
>pure coincidence

>>134816158

yes, I do not care about euros but this do not make your point any more valid. No front line means it' impossible to figure out who fired missile unless it was fired from some town or another key point.

>>134816513
I'm the actual Russian nationalist and you're nothing more than a stupid ass brainwashed pleb. Go suck Kadyrov's dick you fucking cuck.

By the way, if someone wants to get red pilled on Ukrainian conflict, you should watch a few hours of this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSx8HJfBl7U

America? Is that what you want to hear?

>>134812114
Found the brainlet Russia shill. What bad does it do to admit what actually happened? It won't kill anyone else. Who else could have done it? Some grand CIA-backed "hohol" conspiracy to delegitimize Russian involvement in the civil war even further (as if they weren't doing that enough themselves)? Just accept it is Russia and the rebels' fault and move on.

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>>134816797
You know they can see it on the radar for a while, they can see it comes from west to east ie from Kiev area towards eastern Ukraine. Usually that would be the route the Ukrainian air force would take.

I highly doubt Russia pilots would fly over Belarus, in over west Ukraine then fly back towards eastern Ukraine, but that is just me.

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>>134808237
According to the FBI:
The pic of the main suspect

>>134816993
No, you are a young, brainwashed fool (brainwashed by social media and the likes of Navalny to hate Putin, Kadyrov, etc.). You are just a useful idiot to push the western narratives. You have no clue how this world works and what is going on.

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>>134817707
Another photo of the suspect.

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>>134817936
>loving Ramzan "killed my first Russian at 16" Kadyrov
+15
Night shift, huh.

>>134808237
I really like the Russian people but Putin should just be a man and admit that they supplied the buk system to the rebels.

>>134817224
This is not far from the truth, because while only Ukrainians had the means to take out Boeing and it was done on purpose, Ukrainians wouldn't shot it down without guarantees that they won't get hanged from powerful people in the US.

>>134809280
No one knew anyone had those types of anti air systems and the ukranians didnt have them becuase the russian crypto rebels werent using planes

>>134818150
I don't like Kadyrov one bit. But in the second war, his family changed sides. What I like about him is that he is on Russia's side and is fighting insurgency, etc.

You, on the other hand - a Navalny supporter - would love to give Chechnya and some other regions independence without taking into account the consequences for Russia, not only because Russia might end up divided further in other regions, but also because once Russia will be gone, guess who will attempt to feel the vacuum? If it won't be the US with its bases, it will be Al Qaeda, ISIS, and more money from rich Arab states who tried doing the same thing in the 90s.

>>134817936
Are you fucking serious about Kadyrov? A true cuck. Swedes should take lessons from you.

>>134818200
Show me proof that rebels had Buk pls

>>134819083
> implying muslims or fsb are not terrorizing us right now
+15, don't forget to sleep or you'll be late and won't get another +15.

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>>134819083
Good job beating the shit out of that strawman, olechka

The Kiev regime had and has BUK and is capable of using them.

>>134819310
https://www.om.nl/onderwerpen/mh17-vliegramp/presentaties/presentation-joint/

Watch the third video

>>134820364
I've spent more hours on MH17 than I'd like to admit. I know all "evidence". I'm asking you specific point or points (e.g. from that video) that you consider as undeniable evidence that rebels had Buk, be it a video, a photo.

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How do I join the Russian army, Russian.gov notice me!!!!!

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>>134820923
>>134821155
Ask this guy he already have a junior position in the shilling department.

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>>134812782
>>134812612
Yes.

>>134808237
Having a strong opinion about this is pretty much retarded these days, considering that all of clearly see that basically everything in media is propaganda for some side.
It's even pointless to discuss it if you have strong proof for one version. People are so much indoctrinated that it doesn't matter any more.
The only opinion I hold is that I'm sad for the people who lost family members in this.

>>134809828
Protip: Russia will flood their news with multiple conflicting stories if something makes them look bad. Recent examples include MH17, the Donald Cook, and when the US launched a bunch of tomahawk missiles.
Russian backed rebels thought it was a Ukrainian cargo plane, shot it down, posted a video and bragged about it, then quickly buhleeted everything once they read the wreckage and saw that it said Malaysia Airlines. Russia started making up all sorts of bullshit and shilling it on social media, 4chan, and places like sputniknews, RT, and blogs, since having your pet rebels shoot a bunch of civilians never looks good.

>>134813742
Some Russian news channel posted a poorly shopped google maps image with a 777, a Su-27, and a missile laid over it as "proof" the Ukrainians shot it down. At the same time, some Russian media outlet said they shot it down with a Su-25, then started an edit war on Wikipedia while trying to change the specifications to say it could fly 10000 meters higher than it can.

>>134814200
You can't tell paint schemes apart on radar.

>>134824310
Are you a liberal? Because they tend to accuse their enemies of the same thing they are doing themselves. There has been an incredible number of noise generated with false or sketchy evidence. Bellingcat along has over 8 dozen articles on MH17 and that was the "go to" website for information on MH17 for all western MSM for 2 years.

Another problem with liberals (or not very smart people like you), is that they blindly trust the media and do check the primary sources. Because if you did check the Russian channel that showed the photo, they have said that they got this photo from an email sent by a guy claiming he was from MIT. They didn't say that this is definitive prove or that it was a sat image from Russian government. On top of that, even English RT did not show this photo, because they have higher standards. Yet, western MSM used sketchy posts in social media from who knows who to put the blame on rebels hours after the crash.

>>134824044
Multiple conflicting stories? Russia officially has never said what has happened to the plane or what version is correct. It's fucking hilarious that you consider one channel (I assume "Life " - not even state channel) which initially said that AN-26 was shot down as some sort of evidence or "conflicting stories by Russian propaganda". Because in the social media, initially people were talking about yet another AN-26 being shot down (just like 3 days before MH17) and that "Life" possibly got their info from there or asked the opinion of the locals. If you use in this case some channel's fast claim or a text post in social media from god knows who as evidence, you might be retarded.

>>134808237
Ukranian planes, who the fuck flys over a warzone though?

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>>134825514
A: I don't know who bellingcat is
B: How am I a liberal for mentioning Russian news outlets lying about the shootdown? Are you saying this picture is legit? Also here's one example of the wikipedia page being edited.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sukhoi_Su-25&diff=prev&oldid=644689125

>Sketchy posts
Ask /k/ for the links to them, because /k/ has spent much longer debunking the influx of vatniks from the Ukraine conflict than I have.

>>134826370
Good to know that there's never government actors behind anything unless it's officially claimed. That's going to make it easier to sleep at night : ^ )

>>134826516
The same airline who lets a suicidal pilot fly their planes and let people in and out of the cockpit for selfies.

>>134826575
a) If you don't know what is Bellingcat, you haven't even scratched the surface regarding the case.

b) You might not be a liberal, that's up to you, but I'm just saying that you share the same traits: you have a strong opinion on matters because of Fake News, but have no clue about the context. In this case, you should check exactly what they said on the Russian channel. And they said that they got an email with this picture from someone claiming to be from MIT and that they do know see any obvious points that it's fake. This image was not even shown for western public via English RT. They didn't claim that the picture came from the Russian government or any official source.

>>134809280
Supposedly the airliner was above the no fly zone and whoever shot them down was not responding to radio calls from the pilots