>amerisharts will defend this

There's literally nothing wrong with making as much money as possible for yourself. Capitalism at its finest. You would do the same in the same position.

>>134799111
What is the unit here? Dollars?

>>134799111
tell me about it. Lets all blame some rural bumpkins!
The CEO of Starbucks who was offering Refugees work is my hero!

Jealousy and envy are not good things, buddy.

>Be Ukraine
>Be pissed at American for being successful
>Have nothing to look forward other than getting rektd by little green men
kek

>>134799111
>this is a bad thing because ___________

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>>134799111
>only includes europoor countries that no meaningful international corporation wants to settle down in
>doesn't even include the europoor country with the lowest corporate tax rate
wow really shatters my brain matters

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Based racist, Christian fascist ethnostate Poland with smallest gap.

Then again, I wonder if this has to do with how rich the companies are. If a company makes more money, it isn't necessarily going to massively bump up wages for jobs that don't earn too much, I would think.

>>134799503
Also this, fuck ukrain, I sincerely hope they get nuked

>>134799111
the gdp of all those other countries combined is less than that of the united states. Bigger pie bigger slice.

>>134799688
careful. You're getting dangerously close to outgrowing socialism.

commies can't into economies of scale. these CEOs are running companies so large that if they distributed his income over all employees, it would be pennies per year. the ceo of yum foods, which owns taco bell, kfc, etc. was compensated $20,000,000 in 2013, which sounds like a lot, until you realize that's less than a penny per hour per store.

>bus in millions who will work for less than median wage in the name of equality
>pocket the savings
>capitalism is the problem

Welcome to markets and the magic of driving a percentage based return on a fixed large amount of assets. In a fictional scenario where some guy can get a 15% annual return on $1 billion with a 100% chance of success, how much do you pay him while keeping in mind there are other people out there with $1 billion looking to get a return of their own. That's your starting point, but as you add more realism to the scenario you start to see why these people command the valuations that they do.

>>134799111
So a CEO earns more than the average worker. Imagine my shock!

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>>134799111
>US companies out grossing ever other country in the world
>California alone is the sixth largest economy in the world
>Share holders reward their CEO's accordingly
>Socialists: *autistic screeching*

>>134799287
yes ceos make 844 more dollars annually than the average worker of the company

Does that include all the ceos that lost everything because the sales guy was fucking half the women at the office?

>>134799688
checked 88
>>134799811
checked

It's probably a function of company size. If you run a company worth $50B you will get a different managerial salary then when you run a $50M company.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okHGCz6xxiw

That has more to do with the fact that america is fucking rich than anything else. I earn as much as European engineers with my shitty drop-out job.

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>>134799111
>It's that russkishit with cockhole proxy again

Literally no one cares about your Eastern Slavic shitholes, you niggers

>>134799111
put a quota on income to around 500k per year that way burger fags won't be able to sap away at society overcharging for their products or services.

>>13480066
god damn she's so right. I blame the politicians for catering to these worthless NEETs.

>>134799111
ofcourse we support this!
After all, we are all just temporarily embarrassed billionaires.

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>->134799111
Would you rather be a worker in the USA or one of the other countries?

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CEO pay is usually tied to stock bonuses (options) and US stocks and US listed companies have massively higher valuations than non-US ones.

The US capital markets are pretty much the only ones that matter, due to America's massive accumulated wealth over the decades.

This is not a very difficult concept to understand, you just have to have been employed pretty much at least once during your career. Of course most "academics" and "intellectuals" do not meet this criterion.

>>134799111
>sets the unit as single dollars to make it look more
>there is only an $800 gap between workers and CEOs
really makes my noodle skadoodle

How many big corporations live in those countries again?

Checkmate.

>>134799111
I too would want an idiot making little money and having zero incentive running my company.

>>134799111
Someone having more money than you doesn't mean they took that money from you. I would like to see some kind of link between the highest paid and the lowest paid worker, but so far things like minimum wage have ended up harming small business and creating more unemployed.

Should also show the amount they earn as well... I mean sure, in the US a CEO might earn WAY more, but you also get paid WAY more than the other countries..sooo...the real CEO's are most of the time in US, and they rake in the $$$ of those multi-billion companies. Deal with it.

>>134801160
Lol, I would choose Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Germany, Austria over USA any day.

>>134799111
I don't see anything wrong with that. If you don't like it why don't you become the CEO and set your wage to 5$ an hour?

>>134801647
In Denmark you pay 150% more to get a car, taxes are pretty high...so you make less money than the others. However, you get benefits for that, and a decent country overall. But only if you integrate.

>>134801647
And yet you will rot in that shithole of a country for the remainder of your life

>>134799111
>a man, whose decisions influence thousands or even hundreds of thousands of people and makes billion dollar decisions should be payed in peanuts

great idea mate, surely they won't become corrupt or anything

>>134801981
Power corrupts. Deal with it bozgor

>>134799111
Why are all the other CEOs so poor?

>>134802244
Socialism.

>>134799111
You don't pay your workers more because your company is doing good, you hire more people.

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>>134799111
FUCK YOU, GOYIM! ANTISEMITIC PIECE OF SHIT! אוי אלוהים, יש דברים שלא משתנים.

There's skant evidence that wealth gap has any negative effects on anyone.

>>134799688
Exactly. Adjust these numbers for market cap and I'm sure it tells a much more different picture. The CEO of some bumfuck Hungarian basket weaving company will of course be paid less than the CEO of Apple.

For reference, the US economy and its participant companies account for about half of the global economy.

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>>134799111
Sounds like someone is afraid of fair system.

>>134799111
Yes and America has the largest economy, the most innovative Industries and a large population.

What's the problem

Are those CEOs in the USA jewish by any chance?

>>134799607
Americans truly are retarded

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Did you see this and think that CEO's make too much or that the workers make too little?

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>>134799111
Delete this right now

>>134799111
>Doing the most important work
>getting paid the most
Wow how surprising

>>134801160
>work in USA
>have no paid days off by law
>have to beg boss for one if I want them

>Live in UK
>Get 28 paid days off by default
>take them whenever you want
>also free healthcare
Being an American must be suffering

>>134799688
Yeah and we're poor as fuck. I wish we'd be more turbocapitalist like Moorica, fuck screeching lefties about "muh wage gap". These are the same people that bitch about women to men wage gap you know.

CEO's deserve to be paid, especially if they founded the fucking company. Fuck your inequality.

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I think that giving people the freedom to make themselves rich is important, but at the same time some corporations just have too much money.
A corporation with enough power is just as bad as any shitty government.

I don't know if this is even remotely a good fix, but having a cap on the amount of money you could make would be one solution.
The cap would have to be really high, though, to the point where it would only affect the people at the very very top.

>>134799111

>be 50 bil valuation corp
>hire excellent ceo and senior management for 25mil/year
>grow 0.1%/year extra due to good management
>profiting 25 million per year from hire

or

>be 50 bil valuation corp
>hire MBA from mediocre school as CEO, run senior management through workers council
>lose 5% of value in 10 years
>i.e. lose 250 million per year

Why are people such bitter cunts? Those CEOs are mostly in their late 40s+, working insane hours, extremely stress resilient, extremely driven, with insane responsibilities. Their income and consumption is taxed, a good chunk taken through estate taxes, and the remainder squandered within a couple generations.

BUT IF I CANT HAVE NICE THINGS THEN NO ONE ELSE SHOULD HAVE THEM!!11!!

>>134803874
>having a cap on the amount of money you could make would be one solution.

Why is that a good solution? You're putting a cap on potential capital.

>>134799111
>it's nearly as if the richest people live and tend to move to the US
Really activates the ol sardines

>>134804017
Well, rather than a cap, excess profits would be given to the government or maybe funneled straight into the national debt.

>>134803200
>Jews are the wealthiest people
>Jews want to destroy the system that makes them wealthy

Makes sense.

>>134804222
If there were a cap, once I hit it I'd just stop working. Why would a corporation keep spending capital when they can't make any profit off of that capital?

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>>134804841
Who said they are destroying it?
They want to set it up so they have a worker caste of society that does all the manual labor.
They did the same shit under communism.
Same shit, different day.

>>134803920
Nice false dichotomy, anon. As if anyones saying a CEO shouldn't be paid a bunch, or that you only have the choice of a well paid CEO or some MBA hack for your F500.
The disparity between worker and management pay is what people ridicule.

>>134800525
kek'd

>>134804951
What do you mean by "stop working"?
You mean completely stop working?
Because then you would still have to work to make that money cap every year.
Or do you mean that you would stop working to make more money?
I think that might be a good thing.

Now correct me if I'm wrong here, but shouldn't the size of the United States have something to do with our paygap? I mean we have more land to put in more businesses so it would mean we'd have more CEOs.

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>>134799548
Do you admit that a country with gini coefficient 1 is a bad place to live, that is a country where one person has ALL the wealth? If so then there must be an optimal between 0 and 1.

Alot of American conservatives and Drumpf Supporters unironically vote against their own economic interests

>>134799274
Sure but they should not use that money to control government or influence elections.

>>134804841
With every other people in the history of the world, LAND - actual territory - has been the fundamental on which the people's existence has depended. You cannot imagine a France, an England, an Egypt, a United States, a China, a Japan, an Italy, a Sweden or any other nation without land from which the nation earns its living and which, in a spiritual sense IS the nation.
Yet there is one nation, which has lived for almost two thousand years WITHOUT a foot of soil on which to earn a living - the Jewish nation. How low did they do it?
The answer is that the Jews have always used other PEOPLE as other people used LAND.

George Lincoln Rockwell

>>134799111
Ho forgot "fortune 500 CEO". The minimum wage is about $7 an hour. Or, 14,500 per year. The average CEO, of the MANY thousands in this country, do not make hundreds of times that amount. Leftists are stupid, and they are liars. They are leftists because they were stupid enough to listen to other leftists. They are too stupid to do anything other than follow the fake news. /pol/ is where fake news comes to die.

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>>134804841
Always the Jew arrives, as in America, as a tattered "refugee" and is welcomed and assisted by kindly host peoples. The Jew then begins his usual climb up the back of the host people, using any and all methods, even cooperation with his murderous Marxist brothers, until finally the Jews are "exceedingly mighty" and "abundant" in the land, and the host people are paying huge taxes and fees to the Jews to live in their own lands. The Jews sooner or later smash the economy entirely, and wind up owning the very land, making wage-slaves out of the masses of the people, while they slyly ingratiate themselves with the last few non-Jews with power and money.
Ask yourself: did the Egyptians unfairly "persecute" the Jews?
According to the Jews' own account of things in Genesis and Exodus, the Egyptians did absolutely nothing against Joseph and the Jews. Quite the opposite, the Egyptians made Joseph "ruler over all Egypt," and gave his great multitude of fellow Jews the "best" land in Egypt, free cattle, free grain, and endless advantages. The Egyptians couldn't possibly have done more for Joseph and the Jews.
In return, when the Egyptians are hungry and starving because of a terrible drought, there is no "sweet charity" from these Jews. No. Joseph demands first all their money, ruins their economy, then grabs all their cattle, and finally all their land itself!!!
While he gives the Jews the "fat of the land," he moves the native people off the land into cities where they are beggars, and then "permits" them back on their own land as sharecroppers, at 20% profit.
Would you tolerate a guest, to whom you gave the best room in your home, who took all your money, all your furniture and finally your home itself, all because you came upon hard times and would you then let your "guest" move you back into your own basement as janitor while he lives like a king without working?

If u did a "size of economy" graph it would look very similar.

>>134799274
>There's literally nothing wrong with making as much money as possible for yourself.

>as much [wealth] as possible
The highest amount of wealth that you can have is when you literally own all the wealth of the world and the rest own nothing.
>Literally nothing wrong
How do you defend that morally?

>>134799111
Average CEO in the US makes $164,000 per year. Google it. So, the average CEO makes about 12 times minimum wage. Average WORKER in the US makes about $50,000 a year. So, the average CEO makes a little more than 3 times the average wage. Leftists make me laugh, they assume that just because they are too stupid to do any research, they assume we are just as stupid.

>>134807191
The world is not a zero sum game. Wealth is created, its an addition to the economy. For super rich people to have nice things, such as yachts, they have to pay whole companies who pay employees to build them. It's not as if they are stealing yachts and keeping them from others, in fact buying a yacht adds to the value of the economy and the prosperity of the little man.

>>134805793
As do most of the Democrats. What point were you trying to make? Show us how stupid you are? If so, you succeeded. Congratulations on having a 70 IQ.

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>>134807191
> The highest amount of wealth that you can have is when you literally own all the wealth of the world and the rest own nothing.

And I thought you guys being complete retards was just a meme

>>134806729
Lmao is this tale from their bible?
It's so funny how they always get kicked out yet never ever give a passing thought to the idea that they did something wrong

>>134799607
yeah there are absolutely no global powerhouses in Japan, Germany, UK or France.

>>134807719

lmao cletus mad af

>>134808106
nothing here either because we're full

>>134800525
outrageous. burn it all down

>>134803281
>Be in UK
>get nail bombed and peace trucked

>>134807670
>buying a yacht adds to the value of the economy and the prosperity of the little man
Except when they decide not to buy any more yachts or if they gain money faster than they can spend it.

>>134805541
Stop working once the cap is hit. At which point, the whole economy would take a productivity hit, because corporations would simply shut down part way into each fiscal year. It would be completely catastrophic.

>>134799111
So what's stopping you from building your own company and paying your employees whatever you want to.

>>134809207
That is exactly what men used to do back when the income tax rate was 90%.

>>134799111
We make more money because we own the currency. Next!

>>134799111
Now compare the salaries between University deans and cafeteria food service workers.

>>134809463
No, it isn't. They kept working because that 10% was still better than nothing, particularly as a CEO. Reminds me of the Canadian system, where surgeons are only allowed to make a certain amount per year, so they crank out all of their surgeries in the first six months and take the rest off, leaving people without surgeons to operate on them simply to prevent them from making "too much" money. Forget about the guy that needs his gallbladder out or the woman that needs a new hip, they're done for the year.

>>134805167

Obviously if you pick the 500 largest corporations in a country of 300+ million people, the CEOs will be well paid. A better comparison would be GDP/capita vs. average income of ANY business owner. Oh wait then it wouldn't be so dramatic when its 40k vs 80k.

>>134799111
that is outrageous
donate and vote for zuckerjew 2020 btw

>>134807191
Wealth is not finite, it can be created through various means.

>>134799111
Jews did this.

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>>134799111
>>134799274
>>134799287
>>134799396
>>134799426
This is literally a graph of numbers of jews per country. Poland has the least pay gap when all their kikes moved to the US-pissrael. Fucking kikes.

>make company $10 billion+ with your decisions
>get paid for your services

nothing wrong with it

>>134799111
If those CEOs can maintain an avg 12% return on my 401K they should be paid more.sage

>>134799111
I'm not going to defend goibalization.

>>134809103
Right, thats when you put money into investments which also drive the economy. What do you think? They fill bathtubs with dollars and swim around?

>>134799503
Ummm... that's our CIA meddling buddy.

>>134808985
well if you survive long enough in school to grow up you can aways get blow up in your work place by a plane or two

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>>134799688
It wouldn't need to anyway because costs of living aren't going to massively increase.
>>134799811
>NatSoc is Socialism
Every time with you retards.
https://pastebin.com/wV97RYQT

>>134799111
Should be higher
t. psychopath and accelerationist

>>134810048
Cucks like you are why this country is disintegrating. You do live in a country full of people and you are supposed to help them out a bit not exploit them maximally. Get off /pol/ you traitor

>>134800142
THIS THIS THIS

Also often their compensation comes in the form of stock options as well

WHY ARE PEOPLE SO RETARDED

>>134810563
Why don't you move to Sweden?

>>134808250
Sorry I hurt your feelings, Cletus.

>>134799111
>voluntary contracts be grotesque

>>134811274
>Homelessness a crime all over the US
>Job market is voluntary
Pick one, kike

>>134799111

We'll defend meritocracy whenever we can, slavshit commiefag.

Don't you have a potato to turn into alcohol or a fitting for a leather suit to worry about getting done right about now?

>>134810844
because it is where all the ultrarich go, and they have converted the country into a middle eastern country to further separate them from the herd.

Just because a place has "liberal policies" doesn't make them liberals... Look at GOP, those worthless fucks have conservatism LAST on their minds.

You can have a living wage without creating a welfare state. Those are two different arguments. Having the middle class locked in competition with the poor does not help anyone but the rich. The same rich who will be astounded as they are cut down in great number.

>>134799274
Why shouldn't I rape your wife? It's the best thing for me and my dick.

>>134810563
You're the traitor, cuck. The government isn't the solution to everything. I can take those billions and build nonprofit foundations that do actual good work, rather than giving it to politicians in fucking Washington that have nothing but their own interests at heart. Look at Bill Gates and the Gates Foundation- he's done more good than likely all of /pol/ combined, and it's because he was given the opportunity to do so by virtue of keeping what he earned. Believing that it is the job of government, rather than individuals, to fix the problems of the world is precisely why you are such a cuck, cuck.

>>134811656
Why shouldn't you share your wife with every man that needs to get laid? It's for the greater good of the community's dicks.

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>>134799111
Capitalism - working as intended TM

>>134801841
I wonder how it became so shit hmmmm.... If only there was foreign meddling involved in the country then we could explain it all. Nah, they just bombed themselves.

>>134811698
this hyper capitalistic furvor isnt going to get us anywhere.

>>134809882
I meant is in the sence of a thought experiment.
Wouldn't it be in the interest of the "ideal capitalist" (i.e. he who wants to be as wealthy as possible), to literally take all wealth that is created for himself? So again, if that's the ideal capitalist, is he morally right?

>>134811698
>Look at Bill Gates and the Gates Foundation-
The US government took $100 Billion from Bill Gates and redistributed it back (minus bribes) to his splinter countries. He only does charity now in order to assist him in monopolizing various regions of the world. This is exactly WHY you need checks and regulations.

If the poor aren't allowed to loot, neither are the rich. Consequences will be the same (dead niggers)

>>134799111
Will do! The top ten percent of our income earners pay for 90% of our taxes.

>>134799274
My brother is commie light and he makes a good argument.

In all things that a man can be better than a man are measurable things. Such as height, speed, iq, strength etc.

But when it comes to income there is no natural barrier. No man is really 1000000000x better than any other man in any measurable thing. Other than in capitalism can this difference occur.

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>>134800525

>>134811945
That isn't correct at all- he does it because he's got more than enough money and wants to do some good in the world. He's actually a decent guy. That's why he isn't leaving his money to his kids, he's not some Rothschild.

>>134805956
>not rigging elections by throwing money
>not doing what you want
>not forcing islam to be notional religion
>not using money to force groups of people into other areas

>>134799111
>Andrew Jackson
thats globalism you retard. why do you think us want ukraine to give up its borders?

>>134812068
Except a man can be 10,000x better than another man at business. Not everyone can run a corporation that employs literally hundreds of thousands of people. The ones that do deserve to make a decent amount, they're essentially looking after a whole damn small country worth of GDP.

>>134799111
Probably because we allow the government to prevent real competition. Do you know how fast people would kill their ISP if they had an option

>>134811656
That would be a bad thing to do anon, those CEOs are following the laws

>>134799111
CEO is just the top employee. The real scandal is how much the owners make by doing literally nothing while the ones who actually work make almost nothing.

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>>134799111
>the country that has the most power, has the best ability to cash-in
>other countries want said power
>other countries have no other recourse then to applaud whenever the US does something not in the US's best interest, as their military could never match up in order to force a power exchange

>>134812337
No he can't, he's a talented manager that got lucky, he's not actually worth that much more than any other talented manager that didn't luck out as much.

>>134805754
Income inequality is a meme that needs to end. The left has this idea that wealth is a fixed, finite quantity - this is going back to 16th century economics (Mercantilism). Wealth is infinite, but it needs to be created out of something.

Consider the structure of the economy, 1 represents an arbitrary amount of wealth, and 1% for example means that 1% own that amount of wealth in the economy:

111111111 (1%)
1111 (9%)
11 (55%)
1 (35%)

The left's solution to this "problem" is:

1111
1111
1111
1111

although in reality it's more like
1
1
1
1

The real solution is this:

11111111111111111111111111 (1%)
11111111111 (9%)
111111 (55%)
1111 (35%)

Everyone is wealthier, and you've avoided the moral and practical complications of stealing from people. Who gives a shit that the top 1% has proportionally become wealthier - everyone has become wealthier so why does it matter? It matters because people are envious of those who have provided society with a valuable service and thus earned more money. Fuck those jealous cunts.

>>134810248
I think they secure their money in foreign banks and pass it on to their children.
How banking and investments work are a mystery to me. Can you recommend me books to read for that?

In general I am against plutocracy, which is what capitalism seems to develop into.

>>134800460
implying that the influence california/hollywood/media moguls/(((Them))) isnt awful for society and isnt destroying culture throughout the first worldbecause of this.

>>134799111
>Americans outsource everything to Chinese and Mexican slave labor
>surprised the CEO makes so much more than the average worker

>>134812539
If I start a bank, take all your money, buy all the politicians and make them sign it into law I can then rape your wife right?

>>134811789
Cause she don't want to I guess. Never gave too much thought to it.

>>134799111
I'm more interested in raising the income of the bottom earners than being butthurt about the income of top earners.

>>134812988
Shut the fuck up. Bill Gates wasn't just lucky to have developed an entire fucking operating system in the early days of computing that could be run on most machines with ease. Do you think some random bum on the street could have created it, or some college English literature graduate, or a walmart employee, or a plumber, or a pilot, or a doctor or even another talented programmer?

No, because if they could, they would have. Now fuck off you commie sharia blue shill.

>>134799111
now compare it to
>jewish CEO overrepresentation trough nepotism per country

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>>134813020
Except that's not what happens under capitalism. Much like how you will notice in monopoly, the people with the most capital have the ability to create the most profit. Overtime, wealth flows from the poorest up the pyramid towards to top. THIS IS WHAT NATURALLY HAPPENS UNDER CAPITALISM. Capitalism is wealth redistribution because wealth flows from the poorest to the richest, in this case in an irrational matter. It's a huge bug that is inherent to the system. This effects everyone because the level of wealth inequality directly shows how much wealth has been siphoned off the working class.

>>134799111
This is how capitalism. We aspire to own private jets and mansions, not bicycles and apartments.

>>134801162
This. This right here. Anon speaks truth.

>>134813020
we want to avoid the top 1% having that much wealth because wealth means power over society. anyone with that amount of money has a mindset that is detatched from their native culture and they will invariably destroy it by not caring when making decisions

>>134813654
Except this promise is utter horseshit. It's equivalent to telling your children if they behave Santa will give them gifts. It's a very dangerous lie that people need to stop saying. The "American dream" is another bullshit lie.

>>134799111
>countries that have actual companies have better paid CEOs

>>134812068
If you're twice as strong as me do you have double the chance of winning a fight?

If you're twice as fast do you have double the chance of winning a race against me?

These things are exponential and go a long way, just like intelligence does.

You can't expect the world to give you what you "deserve" proportional to others. It's all about being better, the margin is irrelevant.

>>134803281
Don't accept a job that doesn't offer PTO...
Negotiate for more PTO
I have six weeks...
I would love to trade pics of houses, cars, and bank statements.

>>134813410
Why are you sucking Bill Gate's dick so much. You're never gonna be rich. You'll die poor like everyone

>>134813410
Lmao bill gates is your example. If you were a true libertarian you would realize he abused the market. He didn't win out in a free market he abused the fuck out of patent laws. Where it took 20 years for a company to become big enough to fund finding a way around it.

If the car industry was like the tech industry. A standard gas engine would be patented and everyone would gave to buy the GE engine for their cars.

>>134813244
The Mick is right. (((GDP))) is a globalist kike meme.

>>134805793
I learned that "alot" is not a word all the way back in third grade there, genius.

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>>134813638
>analyzes capitalism through the lense of a boardgame
either a perfect example of the average leftist's intellect or an extremely sophisticated poe.

>>134813953
Not a reason to and fuck them over

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>>134813909
Except capitalists are neither stronger as a worker because after all the worker does physical labor and is stronger than a capitalist or faster because the worker is in shape making all the goods you use while the capitalist is fat from eating so much or smarter for that matter because the capitalist doesn't even know how to make the goods, the worker does. The only thing he's better at is being lucky, being born into wealth, and abusing an arbitrary system. You are awarding parasites with your precious capitalist system. Workers create wealth, not capitalists.

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>>134814153
Actually the example is from Jordan Peterson. But the concept remains the same, the problem of wealth accumulation.

>>134813244
>>134814074
The mick's repeating numbers and the fucking leaf's appropriately pink ID speak the truth
Get fucked you cultural pollutant

>>134813976
t. IP expert internet lawyer

>>134799111
American CEOs pay more taxes than all the other countries CEOs combined. If you look at NET INCOME, that is, TOTAL INCOME minus TAXES, American CEOs make about the same as the rest.

>>134799111
hmm wonder what religion those top USA ceos practice..

>>134814331
>work under someone for years
>acquire skills
>use skills and knowledge to launch your own business

"born into"
the majority of millionaires this generation are self-made

>>134812988
Everyone starts out with certain resources, but everyone creates their own luck. Successful people just took advantage of it when it came around.

All the gigantic companies that fuel world innovation are based here. How many important multinationals are based in Poland?

Fuck off with this shit.

>>134814844
Most small business fail and the people end up bankrupt. Telling people to start a business is like telling them to play the lottery, except if you don't win you lose everything.

>>134814331
>The only thing he's better at is being lucky, being born into wealth, and abusing an arbitrary system.

>talks of luck yet doesn't acknowledge risk
>heritage isn't real
>the system is arbitrary
>abusing said system is inherent in acquiring wealth

Jesus Christ, and the rest of your post is irrelevant.

>>134814331
Not everybody is born into wealth or got wealthy with sheer luck. There's a reason highly intelligent people don't live in shit places, they find a way to improve their lives.

How is the system arbitrary anyways? There's plenty of ways to make decent money without being a wageslave for some shit company.

also
>Awarding parasites

In communism people strive to work the minimum they can even if this means making shit products / results, while the people at the top still have great lives. Atleast the parasites of capitalism need to put work into it.

Literally nothing wrong with any of that.

>>134814451
Just look at the patent wars that Google, Apple and Microsoft has. That's not a free market. If buying political favors and lobbying for protection from competition than I don't believe in the free market.

>>134815066
They do fail. Most entrepreneurs fail at least once. The difference between US and others (particularly Asian countries) is that if you fail you can try again. Some countries failure means suicide or jail.

Forgiving bankruptcy laws is a huge part of why the US economy grew so quickly in the last century.

But yea plain old dumb luck has an influence on success.

>>134814892
Then they block other people from entering the market, that's not a true free market. That's just capitalist protectionism.

>>134799111
Who cares? If you took away all CEO income and gave it to workers, they would only make a small pay increase of a few cents (I don't remember the exact amount but it was puny.) This is just standard crabs in a bucket mentality. The fact some people are rich isn't inherently bad. Them being rich isn't hurting anyone, it isn't making anyone else poorer.

>>134812068
>hoarding more worthless fiat currency intended for use by everyone makes you objectively better

>>134799111
We need an annual asset tax to replace all other taxes.

>>134815080
How the fuck is it a system you dipshit?
You're just trading shit you don't want for shit you do want. Easy and natural.
Also heritage should be encouraged. Capitalism makes adults think of their children.

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>>134815080
Risk doesn't mean SHIT when you have millions of dollars. There was an article that showed that Drumpf could have made more money. He failed and still ended up with a lot more money. The system is arbitrary because the way it awards people (money) isn't based on how much wealth you make, but how much wealth you can pull from people who create that wealth.

>>134815130
>In communism people strive to work the minimum they can even if this means making shit products / results, while the people at the top still have great lives. Atleast the parasites of capitalism need to put work into it.

Lower levels communism just fresh from a workers revolution would probably have labor vouchers. Also, communism doesn't have planned obsolescence so you're products will last longer. Just like Soviet rifles made in 1941 that still work instead of this capitalist CRAP you have to buy everyone 2 years.

>>134799111
Our CEOs are simply better and more valuable than the CEOs in other countries. Meanwhile our plebs are the same or even worse than the plebs in other countries. Of course the ratio will be higher.

>>134799111
>ukies mad about success
Colour me surprised the country cucked by Russia is mad about people getting the one up on them

>>134816149
how the fuck is it pulling wealth?
Imagine this:
you ask a local kid to help you on your little farm, and you end up with a surpluss of food so you sell it and pay the kid for his work.
Are you exploiting the kid?
How do you not exploit the kid if so?

>>134812068
>No man is really 1000000000x better than any other man in any measurable thing.
That's where you're wrong. The average man is 10000000x better at walking than someone born without legs.

>>134816341
What plebs? All the capitalists have moved their factories overseas for lower wages and higher profits. Our workers here are unemployed, poor, and getting high on opiates. Thanks capitalism!! : D

>>134815080
Spoken like a true underageb&. There is no risk, period. Not in the current world.

>>134801304
many. lol.

>>134816482
> less than 1%of the population has this defect
> therefore this .00001% population are 1000000x better than the other other 99.999999% of the population

>>134816474
It's exploitation because you are not compensating him for his full work. If his work is worth 100 dollars but is only being paid 20 dollars, he is not being paid the full value of his labor. If he was, there wouldn't be any need for a capitalist

>>134805754

Negative effects of that are local, not national.

>>134813856
You think I would have spent 12 years in training to become a doctor if I wasn't making bank at the end? You think I'd be working hard to become the best in my field if I knew I'd be making burger flipper money? Fuck no. I work hard because I know that I will be the best, and I'll be rewarded for it, in cash, with a nice house and a car that women will drop their pants just to sit in the passenger seat of. I don't want my basic needs met, I want to work hard so that I'm rewarded with luxury, status, and a life better than the schmuck that got a lib arts degree and started working at Starbucks.

>>134816772
Why would anyone start a business if they had to pay everything out to the employees.

One bad year and the company would go under because they wouldn't have any financial backing.
Literally nobody would take risks because what would the fucking point be, you're putting in all the risk for absolutely no reward.

>CEO to Worker
>Worker

What kind of worker? Big companies usually have hundreds, if not thousands, of job positions other than CEO.

Given that the USA is an industry country, the implication this chart makes should be no surprise. Who the hell made this chart? How was it made? They're leaving so much shit out here

>>134816675
Exactly?..

>>134799111
>CEOs of global brands with millions of workers and billions of revenue to haul get lots of money
>wah wah that's not fair

>>134799111
they'd rather have the poor, poorer.
As long as the gap was smaller.

>>134813638
>lowest in the 70s when crime was high, oil became short and everything sucked

>>134799111
>All these Amerisharts defending their greedy Jewish overlords

>>134817246
Jews are the best at running banks and countries get over it

>>134800525
That's clearly a 3

>>134816772
you own the field you realise that?
hes only picking out weeds.

>>134799111
It actually wasn't that bad until they passed laws which required companies to disclose how much they were paying their CEOs and published the lists "to shame" them.

It then turned into a big dick salary contest where companies do it to show off.

>>134817061
It's a stupid comparison. That rich person isn't absent of some defect that everyone else has.

I'm not even talking about all rich people. I'm so far right that I want patents abolished so kikes like Gates, and Shkreli can't happen. But libertarians want their precious intellectual property rights. Which inhibit the free market.

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>>134810035
>This is literally a graph of numbers of jews per country.
Never thought about it this way. Until now, that is.

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>>134799111
>>amerisharts will defend this

American billionaires are better than the rest of the world's billionaires.

What's not to defend?

>>134814331
Except the vast majority of labor isn't physical, and people in CEO positions tend to be in good shape because they can afford the best in personal training, personal chefs, and lifestyle management. They also tend to work a LOT of hours- the average CEO is putting in 60-80 hours a week. Finally, the CEO is smart enough to figure out how to do the job of a peon, but not vice versa. Running a multinational corporation requires business acumen that most people lack. Where to build new locations, what labor markets are favorable, where to focus research and development, what trends are upcoming- these are all up to the CEO to make the final decision on. You don't leave that to pimply-faced Billy the cashier from store 537.

And fuck, look at my field of medicine- I've learned how to do everything, from the most basic of tasks like wound care and putting in catheters and IVs, to pharmacology, to surgical procedures, differential diagnosis etc etc. Not everyone can do it. Fuck, the nurse practitioners and physician assistants I work with are always coming to me because they're hitting the walls of both their knowledge and their ability to search for the correct answers (because without a foundation you don't even know what to look for in medicine). The average worker can't replace me. Nor can they run the business side of things, which is complicated as fuck in private practice and no one wants to do except those of us motivated enough to do so.

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>>134812539
"Those CEOs are following the laws"
being this much of a sheep

>>134817615
>134817615
Hoppe is anti patent as far as can tell.

>>134804841
because it's still immoral

a pointless carrot to dangle in front of retards, once you take their salaries and split them among tens or hundreds of thousands of employees nationwide you get pennies a year

>>134816772
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/fortune/2016/12/12/michigan-marxist-vegan-restaurant-closes/%3fsource=dam

>>134817832
Fake and debunked even by liberal Snopes.

Fuck off, shill.

>>134804841
In communism, there is still an elite that hoard all of the resources. They are just called "party members." The Soviet party members were something like 70% Jewish.

>>134816107
Reread my post.
>>134816149
Don't use the word arbitrary if you don't know what it means.
The system is based on laborers voluntarily selling their labor, and the capitalists deal with the profits or loss. There is nothing "pulling" from people who create wealth, they're voluntarily taking a salary. Is your solution to this "problem" that workers be forced to take a % cut of the companies profit rather than a fixed salary?
You're the autistic screeching of ideologies, taking offense at nothing and looking to replace a naturally occurring system with one that fits your backwards ideals.
>>134816579
>makes a retarded statement
>doesn't even provide a bad argument for said statement.

>>134813372
It's not about what she wants. It's about what the people want. Just like with money. Who cares what the man who owns it wants, it's about the people. Her pussy is mine as much as my money is yours.

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>Picture of a bland slideshow frame with no source

>>134816149
real life isn't a cartoon, idiot.

>>134799111
what other country has CEOs that matter at all?

>>134817615
Without intellectual property, the existing companies with money and resources will simply steal the ideas of anyone new that comes along and sell them as their own. A world without intellectual property would rapidly become owned by the Jews. The best solution is reasonable IP laws that protect things for a finite period of time such as 10 years. Enough incentive to create and establish yourself, but not so much that it kills competition forever.

>>134817917
Most libertarians are just light boot lickers and don't share Hobbes opinion. They'll sit here and argue that Gates is a good example of a successful business man in a free market. When he got most of his money by blocking competitors out.

USA is the home of innovation.

>>134799111
ITT cuckservatives from /ptg/ defending their jewish capitalist overlords

>>134818382
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_companies_by_revenue

>>134803281
>Be British
>Get 20% to 45% of your income alone stolen to pay for Muslim "Children" to ruin your country
>Pay more for everything
>Pretend it's paradise

>>134799111
Jelly? Mire successful people come here to make money

>>134818417
This. Capitalism is a monster, but it can be tamed.

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>>134818118
>Don't use the word arbitrary if you don't know what it means.
>based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system.
The system might as well be RANDOM and WITHOUT REASON because the person who owns the means of production is rewarded.

>The system is based on laborers voluntarily selling their labor, and the capitalists deal with the profits or loss.
It's not voluntary because they are threatened with starvation if they don't sell their labor. Much like in Feudal times. Here is an infographic. An absence of choice isn't a choice at all.

>Is your solution to this "problem" that workers be forced to take a % cut of the companies profit rather than a fixed salary?
My solution is to remove the capitalist class and have worker cooperatives. All the workers profit without a capitalist skimming profit from the workers.

>>134818475
>USA and china dominate the list
>other countries get 1-4 each

when will these european faggot non-countries just become part of the ottoman empire and leave the rest of the world alone?

>>134818639
US and China also make up 22% of the World's population. If you exclude Africa, even more.

This is the free market at work. Demand and Supply. CEOs have a skill set which is in high demand but low supply, so they get paid well.

The alternative is socialism, with wages set by an arbitrary decision determining the value of a persons work. This leads to extreme government corruption and inefficient distribution of goods and services, which is why SOCIALISM NEVER WORKS.

>>134799111
Higher population number not taken into account, just average

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>>134799111
Yeah, the game is rigged. It's easy to make tons of money when you can literally print it or take out loans at 0% interest. This isn't capitalism, it's just rape.

>>134799111
They feed them their dick skins

>This paper challenges the widely accepted stylized fact that chief executive officers (CEOs) in the United States are paid significantly more than their foreign counterparts. Using CEO pay data across fourteen countries with mandated pay disclosures, we show that the U.S. pay premium is economically modest and primarily reflects the performance-based pay demanded by institutional shareholders and independent boards. Indeed, we find no significant difference in either level of CEO pay or the use of equity-based pay between U.S. and non-U.S. firms exposed to international and U.S. capital, product, and labor markets. We also show that U.S. and non-U.S. CEO pay has largely converged in the 2000s.

http://docentes.fe.unl.pt/~mferreira/index_files/paygap.pdf

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>>134805793
>be clinton supporter
>get fired from job because they can hire more of pajeets oversea to do your job

>>134799111

I highly doubt this. While the commercial giants have very highly compensated CEO's, for every one of those companies there are thousands of companies who have a head who isn't really making a whole lot. Small businesses in America vastly outnumber large ones, and take-home pay for the owners aren't usually very high.

>>134810450
I like how the leftist nutcase Hitler snuck in that convenient word "equity". That's how you know he's a Marxist.

>>134799111
Literally ANYBODY can become a billionaire in America. That's the beauty of capitalism. Try being successful in a disgusting Communist shithole.

>>134819756
Yeah, if you find a way to corner a market.

>>134799111
>late stage capitalism
>implying this isn't late stage government regulation aka socialism

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>>134799111
>He doesn't want to live in a dystopian plutocratic oligarchy
Truly a socialist Europoor

>>134799111
literally any source for this chart?

>>134818619
>random choice or personal whim.
Exactly, that implies a man made system, rather, capitalism is the natural occurring state of competition without forceful coercion.

You cannot threaten someone with starvation. Not saving someone is not the same as killing someone first of all, second of all, workers have several choices. They can voluntarily start commie-companies, they can farm land, etc. In a capitalist society there is no central authority dictating how you can and cannot make ends meet.

My solution is to remove the capitalist class and have worker cooperatives. All the workers profit without a capitalist skimming profit from the workers.
Is that a yes? You're going to forcefully remove workers ability to take fixed salaries? You do realize that in the midst of liberating the working class you're removing the most stable and risk-free way for them to make a living, then only one that low-intelligence people can consistently live off of? Actually take some time and think about how a society like this will function, and you should arrive at the conclusion that it cannot.

Also, your entire political system is based on the fallacy that voluntary interactions can be oppressive, and that salaries are theft, even if it is in the best interest of the workers to receive salaries.

>>134819422
Commies often use the statistics only for Fortune 500 CEOs to make the gap seem larger. It's a clever trick but it'd be easy to expose if OP wasn't a nigger faggot who doesn't source his data.

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>>134820139
http://www.investopedia.com/news/ceotoworker-pay-ratio-just-276-one-last-year/
It is not an accurate statistic.

>>134814400
hahaha, is pic on left real?

>>134803281
I've basically got the choice of working for someone else (which gives me a shot at up to 26 weeks off a year with a 7 on/7 off or 14 on/14 off schedule) or working for myself, which gives me unlimited days off. Why are you so cucked, Britain?

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>>134799111
I will never defend that bullshit, American CEos and their government lackeys are all liars and thieves that will face karma whether they care to believe it or not. In the real world these fucks would have starved years ago, it's only their old money and bullshit systems that keep it together but it's tearing at the seams and the silent majority will respond in unison eventually.

>>134807191
>The highest amount of wealth that you can have is when you literally own all the wealth of the world and the rest own nothing.
that's literally impossible, which is why people can try to attain that their entire lives if they want. nobody is being enslaved. workers will move to other companies if you don't pay them enough. and ceo's don't just sit back and let the company run itself. they actually have to work constantly if they want to keep their competition from destroying them.

>>134799287
>ratio of incomes
>hurrr what units are these?

fucking burger education. not all americans are as stupid as you, stop embarrassing us.

>>134820657
Show me anywhere on this picture where the word "ratio" appears you arrogant cocksucker.

>>134809463
well that's not quite how taxes work. if the income tax was 90% for anyone who made $500,000 or more that year, then every dollar you made after 500,000 would be taxed at 90%. so there isn't much incentive to work hard after you've earned your $500k, but there's still some incentive.

>>134820819
THE FUCKING TO PART OF THE SENTENCE

did you also fail english as well as maths in HS?

>>134820570
>Great Depression was caused by a pay gap
>we should have a marginal tax rate of 90% like there was during a world war

You can put bullshit in chart form, and it's still bullshit.

if you redistribute the money to the lower brackets the cost of goods will rise to offset it

a CEO making 1000x as much as a factory worker doesn't eat 1000x as much food

>>134799111
Envy is a sin. Stop being concerned with what others make, and instead be concerned about what you make.

>>134821263
Yes and I know gap implies difference, not ratio.

>>134821479
There needs to be a sizable difference in order to promote innovation and entrepreneurship, but to what extent is the question.

Wealth increasingly shifted to top of executive class in USA and first world. Less wealth available to working people makes family formation more difficult. First world birth rate goes down. Import rapefugees to keep up population and labor price down. Profit.

>>134811656
Because that is against the law

>>134821233
But that's still some incentive to keep working. If you've got a corporation that can pay you 500,000 or 1,000,000 but you'll only get to keep 50,000 of the 500k over 500k you earn, you're still going to take it versus taking nothing. 50k is 50k. A hard cap means you get NOTHING for extra work. While 90% will deter a lot of people, the ones that want real wealth will continue building wealth, because if they need to earn a billion dollars to make ten million, well fuck, they'll earn a billion. But the other major thing you're skipping out on is TAX EXEMPTIONS AND DEDUCTIONS, which are kind of a big deal. While the effective tax rate may have been 90%, most people paid waaaay less, just as the wealthy currently pay way less than the normal tax rate now.

>>134821723
Gluttony is also a sin, so is pride.

>>134799111
This chart is stupid because it is using averages when medians should be used. A few IPOs and hedge fund managers will completely skew the results.

This chart is trying to sell you the idea that the typical CEO makes $17.5M per year (844*10/hr*2080 hours/year).

This just isn't reality.

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>>134812257

>>134811885
OK, but you know that wealth is less useful when you are wealthier. I don't know about morally right or wrong, but probably he'll be mentally ill. You know, like a hoarder.

Anyways, there's nothing wrong with making as much money as possible for yourself, at the end you will be spending more money on welfare and shit.

>>134800142
>which sounds like a lot, until you realize that's less than a penny per hour per store.
But... why should he get a penny per hour per store? He doesn't work that much more, he's not that much smarter, etc. Surely you could find a really smart guy to run the company for a million a year, or even 500k.

>>134818396
That wouldn't really matter as long as the best product is being made. That's a true free market where the person that produces the best wins. Not who can flirt with Washington the most.

>>134826811
This, but also the person who produce the best. As better with less resources.

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>>134799111
there is nothing wrong with this.
>>134799274
this

on another note, pic related is what's wrong

>>134799111

Now do the chart comparing the amount of fortune 500s

>>134812539
ahahahahhahaha
what a fucking sheep

>>134799111
>lists a ton of non profitable shit holes and a couple white paradises
>forgets the 30 countries in between

>>134799111
Checked. I won't defend it, not with the thumbscrews on worker's productivity... they get about triple the work from each employee but still offshore everything they can and raises? What the fuck are those again? It's obscene.

>Person who owns company makes more money than person who works there

Really makes you think

>>134799274
hahahah yeah guys!
I Love the fact that the middle class is shrinking!!!
Tiss just capitalism! Dont act like such a communist!
Heheh you would do the same yes! Watching the poor become poorer is normal and should be acceptable! hehehe

>WHAT YOU DON'T AGREE FUCK OFF SHAREBLUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! REEEEEEEEEE

>God your fucking sad as fuck

>>134802772
Does he have painted toe nails?

>>134801062
Right on brother, I love the daily show.

>>134803281
I have six weeks of vacation every year. I don't need the government to mandate it. How are those hate speech laws shoved down your throats working out for you? Careful in your reply, I will report you to the police. :^)

>>134805541
The factory owner would hit his cap and furlough all his employees till next year. Great job dipshit, you just fucked a bunch of normal folks while you tried to rob a CEO.

>>134805754
New wealth is created everyday you retard. Go paint something and bam you created some new wrealth if anyone cares about it. Drop the bullshit that we have a cap on wrealth and one person can grab it all.

>>134799111
Not my fault you're a poor faggot

>>134826469
Obviously not, or they would.

>>134829725

People are actually getting richer.

>>134826469
>Surely you could find a really smart guy to run the company for a million a year, or even 500k.

For large companies, even a tiny difference in ability is important. For a multi-billion dollar company, a 1% difference is millions of additional income.

>>134810563
>commie faggot telling someone else to leave /pol/
kys

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>>134812988
>a talented manager that got lucky
Gommies actually believe this.

Americans are retarded faggots. I thought this was common knowledge? Did it need it's own thread?

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It's because America has listened to (((Milton Friedman))).


Well done and good luck trying to turn it back.