Trump Voter Fraud Panel wins in federal court - green light to

>>134790704

>DNC are going to fucking shit their pants.

Y tho

So are we about to expose all the illegals?

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>>134790704

DNC uses "Clean up Crews" to do Voter Fraud, Wetwork, Trafficking & Protests

[Made a thread on this a long while ago: http://archive.4plebs.org/_/search/subject/knowledge%20bomb/username/anonymous5/tripcode/%21%219O2tecpDHQ6/]

Dead people always vote Democrat.

>>134790759
Dems are dependant on Illegal votes.
Hillary got 3m more votes, imagine if the dems got 4m illegal votes.

The left would shit their pants.

>>134790759
you really have to ask this?

Leftists on suicide watch. Expect the upcoming news cycle to be about how "this is the act of a tyrant DRUMPF MUST BE IMPEACH REEEEE". LOL Good. I hope they bring out all the Democratic's skeletons in the closest for everyone to look at in disgust.

This was an easy one. What real legal argument can the states make to deny the Feds what is essentially their property (voter inf for a national election)

>>134790704
>6 months
>have to fight THE WHOLE FUCKING SYSTEM aka deep state

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>>134790966

Thank you based Kennedy

>Voter fraud commission finds that millions of votes were illegally cast

>President Trump suspends elections until the problem is fixed by Congress

>Congress never agrees on the solution

>Trump stays President till the day he passes away

>>134790704
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>KEK

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>>134791114
truly this would be the best option.

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WINNING!!!

>>134790704
Probably worth noting that the ruling threw out a case being brought by privacy groups, it did not speak to whether states can continue to keep the previously-publicly available info secret now that a President they don;t like wants it.

The answer to that will likely eventually be "no, they can't" but this ruling does not do that yet.

>>134790759
u dum

>>134790759
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUDTcxIqqM0

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>>134791114
>TFW Eternal Emperor Trump might happen in this timeline

>>134791108
>One noble impulse in Nixon's life, and it cost him an election.
>Vows never to do the right thing again.
>Costs him the Presidency.

Where are Sophocles or Shakespeare when you really need a good tragedy to be immortalized?

>>134790759
Lurkmoar, newfag

>>134790972

But that literally isn't true lol.

If they used illegals to win, don't you think they'd have made use of enough of them (or at least their identities) to win the election?

no link. dont see it on google. larp

>>134790704


CAN'T WAIT FOR THE POPULAR VOTE TO BE CORRECTED

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>>134791114
roll for this timeline

I told you guys Kris Kobach is the man. Hopefully the people in Kansas on here vote for him for Governor in the GOP primary next year

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>>134791608
Bredy. Guud.

>>134791729
It only works in some states. And it takes more than some states to win a Presidential election. Are you fucking 12 or something? What kind of critical thinking are they presenting kids these days.

>>134791114
im ready for this timeline

>>134791868
could be this
http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2017/07/24/trump-voter-fraud-data-request-privacy-assessment-240892

>>134791729
In my state, when I went to vote, they didn't as for ID, voter ID, or anything like that. They just asked me what street I lived on.

>>134792289
Always archive
https://archive.is/dyiKH

>>134791729
>Be me
>Illegal
>One Candidate says they will deport me
>Other wants to suck my bean flavored balls
>State has shitty voter laws and its easy to vote multiple times

Gee, i wonder whats gonna happen?

>Government now allowed to connect your political ideologies with your person
>/pol/ cheers
You fucking idiots. You're just like the liberals who want to take away all guns because a few nigs killed each other.
>A society who takes away freedoms in exchange for safety deserves neither and will lose both

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>>134791608
>Where are Sophocles or Shakespeare when you really need a good tragedy to be immortalized?
Who needs any of those when we have Oliver Stone?

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>>134791883
CORRECT. THE. RECORD.

>>134792121

I'd be open to the idea if there were actually evidence to support it. So far, we don't have any, and personally I very much doubt that the commission will find such proof.

The only reason we're talking about this at all is that the president is obsessed with popularity and needs to believe (and needs us to believe) that he won the popular vote, when he already maneuvered well enough to win the election fair and fuckin' square. No two ways about it.

He's not the first president to win with the electoral vote only, and it has no impact on his legitimacy.

>>134791729
My state doesn't i.d. I don't even have to prove I'm a citizen or registered to vote in my state or at least in my town. I could vote twice if I were a piece of shit. I know for a fact illegals in my state vote but they mostly vote red for some reason so my state stays red.

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>>134791114
I would so love that.

>>134792121
you talk mad shit about critical thinking when you blindly believe trump when he said 3 million people voted illegally. that's a huge fucking accusation and you obviously don't get it.

>>134792512
It will also put to bed once and for all the fake story that Russia hacked the election.

>>134792395
You fucked up assuming we are all one person with set principals. I'm not sure why the the internet is so complicated to people like you..

>>134792512
>I'd be open to the idea if there were actually evidence to support it. So far, we don't have any
How about the hidden-camera footage of Dems openly admitting they bus people around?

>>134791114

WINNING

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>>134792512
Rhetorical killshotz 101 friendo.

Get the Dems to screech about how the votes are FINE and NOTHING WRONG WITH THE ELECTION HERE FOLKS and it sounds a little ridiculous when they turn around and say Russia haxored the shit out of the election.

Do you understand grasshoppa?

>>134792826
He's attempting to prove his accusation, why are you so against that? Are you scared he's right? I bet you've been screaming about Trump Russian ties with for the last 8 months but only now do you preach skepticism.

You're so stupid kek

>>134791729
Why do you think the Dems are so against """racist""" voter ID laws?

>>134791114
BEST TIMELINE

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>>134792938

So tired of the winning.

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>>134790759

Guess you'll find out.

>>134792934

So if I post a video saying that I have done something, that makes it true?

If I walk into a police station and insist that I have killed a dozen people, but the police find zero evidence to support that, my statement is meaningless. So until we have actual evidence of it, I'm inclined to believe that the 'admissions' of those people on tape is more likely to be stories they came up with to make them appear like successful and capable political operatives.

>>134791729

Why do you think she even won the popular vote?

Not every state has more than a half million illegals willing to vote though.

>>134792826

Who cares if its 3 million or 300. Illegals shouldn't be voting. PERIOD...Dems won't even acknowledge ONE illegal voted. Its beyond the realms of possibility to them, but its TOTALLY objective FACT in their minds that the Russian govt performed a psyop on the entire country and coerced people into voting for Trump.

This is how liberals think.

>>134793464

Because all of the evidence says that she did. The trouble is she didn't have support in enough states to win. Our system guarantees that we don't get 'mob rule', and that each state (With their different politics) gets to have a say regardless of population.

>>134793420
>If I walk into a police station and insist that I have killed a dozen people, but the police find zero evidence to support that, my statement is meaningless.
The fact that you have said this is still enough evidence for the police to investigate. It doesn't mean you'll be found guilty, but it still counts as evidence.

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>>134793627

>The trouble is she didn't have support in enough states to win

Yes, "support". Member Stein's Michigan recount?

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>>134793420
>So if I post a video saying that I have done something, that makes it true?

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>>134790759
Noncitizens voting in federal elections.

>>134792512
>no evidence

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jun/19/noncitizen-illegal-vote-number-higher-than-estimat/

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/10/pew-center-1-8-million-dead-people-voter-rolls-2-75-million-registered-two-states/

https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/06CARACAS2063_a.html

https://youtu.be/DLra_4abmxc

>>134793737

Liberals got mad that they lost, they did the recount and surprise, it proves that they lost.

This is the same damn thing, except instead of being mad that they lost the election, the guy behind it is mad that he didn't win the popular vote along with the election. It's silly, and after all this you'll be accusing the commission of lying when they say that they didn't find proof.

>>134794141

When it comes out that 5 states had major fraud issues, will you normalize it?

>>134790704
>Trump Voter Fraud Panel wins in federal court
If the DNC were innocent why would they sue? DUN DUN DUN!!!
The fact that it came out that they rigged the primaries for hillary,paid protestors to stop sanders,colluded with the media and on and on is hilarious. Now their illegals are going bye bye!
>Voter fraud Panel
>finds evidence millions voted illegally
>excuse used to boot them all out
It's a good plan! We also neeed ID laws . I work for the city of Boston and I've seen the DNC bringing in people to vote by the busload,feeding them , them shuttling them to vote again. How do I know this? I had a friend who worked in a different city and I just happened to text him laughing about a woman with a lady gaga wig and neon pink tracksuit just voted. 30 mins later the lady showed up at another polling station to vote.

This has been going on for DECADES!!!

>>134792395
>/pol/ is one person
No please keep thinking this, its why we will always be 4 steps ahead of you faggots

>>134791114
>Congress never agrees on the solution
He can't get them to do anything as it is, so this could be a possibility.

>>134793627

Are you retarded? It's been known for years that democrats use illegals in blue states to rig elections. During the last eletion Obama literaly went to rallies saying that illegals should vote and fuck the consequences. You lefties are in so much shit dude, you have no idea. When people here point ut Trump won the popular vote they are not wrong, he won the past election by a huge margin, the whole "BUT SHE WON THE POPULAR VOTE" were their last grasps at trying to convince the public they had any credibility as a party to have the electoral college give the left the presidency. Now without the imported illegals, and after all the shit the left has pulled in the last decade, they should do like obama and flee the USA as soon as possible, because shit is gonna go down.

>>134794110

I understand wanting to combat illegal voting. I don't like the idea of fraudulent votes, but I don't think that we'll find that they were the reason that Clinton won the popular vote.

>https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/06CARACAS2063_a.html

>The Smartmatic
machines used in Venezuela are widely suspected of, though
never proven conclusively to be, susceptible to fraud.

Are we arguing that illegals hacked the machines, or that they voted illegally in person?

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>>134794141
>the guy behind it is mad that he didn't win the popular vote along with the election
Is this really what you think? He's going through the trouble of having a recount because his ego is bruised? You've been posting in this thread for a while and all your opinions are seriously dumb that have no basis in reality.

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>>134790704
>Obungo makes federal election system "national infrastructure" or whatever days before leaving office
>Trump wants to ensure the integrity of this "infrastructure" that Obungo made federal jurisdiction
>liberals are now asshurt
???????????????????

>>134792512
$0.25 have been deposited into your account by your local ShareBlue handler, thanks for correcting the record.

>>134794299

Will I normalize the idea that people vote illegally? That's already established fact. I'll agree to the fact that fraud won Clinton the popular vote only once the evidence conclusively shows that, though.

>>134790704
>DNC are going to fucking shit their pants.
PANIC

............source?

Is there any official statement or reasonable argument made as to why they don't want to collect the voter data?

>>134791114
O LORD IN HEAVEN LET THIS HAPPEN

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>>134794492

>I'll agree to the fact that fraud won Clinton the popular vote only once the evidence conclusively shows that, though.

Going to hold you to it.

>>134794426
>if the Clintons used illegal votes then it still counts as the popular vote

>the absence of evidence is the evidence of absence

>>134794439

There's more evidence that Trump is concerned with appearances regarding the popular vote than there is for the idea that Trump actually won it. Hopefully we can put this to rest once and for all once the commission actually releases its findings.

Honestly though, I believe that some people will not agree with the conclusion of any investigation that doesn't show that Trump won the popular vote.

>>134790704

I never thought I'd say this, because I never thought the problem was THAT bad, but the way this has played out, with every piece of information, I 100% unironically believe it now:

HE WON THE POPULAR VOTE.

AND IT WASN'T EVEN CLOSE.

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>>134794141
>millions of illegals her
>no id required to vote
>NO POSSIBLE WAY ANY OF THEM VOTED AGAINST A MAN THAT PROMISED TO KICK THEM COUNT!!!!

Are you seriously this fucking retarded ? You must be a leftist because you lack basic common sense.

>no source
false alarm

>>134794426
Illegals couldn't back their way out of a paper bag. But the issue of allegedly hackable voting machines should be investigated alongside illegals voting. It also just so happens that the same person connected to those machines, also donates to the DNC which is known to use illegals to pad its voter base.

>>134794492
>I'll agree to the fact that fraud won Clinton the popular vote only once the evidence conclusively shows that, though.
So why are you so against there being an investigation?
You yourself said that the cops should investigate if someone walks into the police station and said they killed 12 people.
Why are you so afraid of an investigation here?

>inb4 "I just don't think all of the evidence that's been collected is enough to warrant an investigation. Also I'm getting really sleepy, let's sleep guys."

>>134791114
kek agrees

>>134794603

That's not what I said at all, though. Nice try.

I said that I accept the fact that people vote illegally, but that there is no evidence for it on the scale alleged by people who say that Clinton won because of it.

>>134794652
>Honestly though, I believe that some people will not agree with the conclusion of any investigation that shows that Trump won the popular vote.

>>134794683
kick them out*

>>134790704
Guess the Democrat party is finished. All they have to do if prove that one illegal alien voted and will then deport every single one no matter their sob story. It's not just about illegals either. Dead people voting Democrat along with people voting multiple times. The Democrats will never when another election. Can you imagine what would happen if they proved that John McCain actually won in 2008 and Romney actually won in 2012? People would possibly be executed for treason.

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>>134794777
Noice

>>134791729
You're literally a fucking faggot.

>>134794683

Again, not what I said. I said that currently I am not inclined to believe that fraud won Clinton the popular vote because at this time, there is no conclusive evidence for that. If there is evidence, then I will accept it like everyone else should. I like evidence before I believe in something.

>>134794589

You won't have to, I don't dispute something when there's proof.

>>134791114
Truly the worst potential timeline.

Fuck all of you bootlickers.

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>>134791114
chekem trudeau also get exposed for his ties with the dems and trump take over canada pls lord

why is spamfilter being gay

>>134791114
Sorry to rain on your parade, but that isn't how it would work.

The closest that could even theoretically happen would be reversion to the old system where some states select their electoral college delegates through their state legislatures

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>>134794777

>>134791114
I ask kek for this time line

Hail trump
glory to kek

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>>134790972
I, as a german, followed the election very closely.
I always had the suspicion that there were A LOT of illegal voters, even before the commission. Illegals are a huge problem in your country and on top of that you have a lot of niggers who are - to be honest, and aside the NBA players- of no use except for the gas chamber. Niggers have low intelligence and will always vote socialism (=Democrats). You may not get rid of niggers in a nice Genocide or Holocaust but you can still fight illegals. Everyone with a brain would have voted Trump (as did the vast majority of white people) and i expected him to win even in a bigger landslide. But the illegal vote diminished that to a regular win.

You guys need to tie a vote to a persons ID/registration so that its 110% bulletproof. Someone identifiying himself with a drivers license or some other non strict-ID is ridicolous. You need to enforce the law to the maximum

>>134794657

The majority of excess votes came from NY and Cali. Two democratic strongholds with heavy grass root campaigns. Having lived in both I can completely believe people with a moral chip on their shoulder would have illegally voted. All they have to do is demand voting be fixed in those two states and Dems are fked forever.

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>>134794777
Checked and keked.

>>134794817

Typo obviously. I meant to write that some people will not agree with the investigation unless it shows that Trump did in fact win the popular vote.

Likewise of course some will disagree with the conclusion if it actually shows that he did win.

>>134794735

I am not against an investigation. I just do not believe that Trump won the popular vote because right now, I do not have evidence to support that. Meanwhile, the election results were certified and Trump won fair and square by being smart and campaigning well in the right states.

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>>134791868
http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/24/politics/kushner-trump-russia-latest/?fdflsdk;fsd

Not prominent because it is actually not very important -- court throws out a suit brought be a bunch of SJWs, does not relate to whether states can continue to withhold info.

>>134790704
Wait, what? Judges blocked a review of voter fraud? Are they traitors?

>>134792331
Thanks Nordbro

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>>134794777
ninety-three eleven

>>134792395
>>Government now allowed to connect your political ideologies with your person

How? What are you talking about?

>>134795180

I think it's because some people are paranoid and have some idea that Trump is trying to obtain voter records for some nefarious purpose. That seems to be what a lot of liberals are afraid of, however silly a notion.

spurious legal challenge #183 down
#184-237 still remaining

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>>134791114
whanon here, can confirm this is happening

Any of our brave miners back with fresh salt?

>>134792512
>personally I very much doubt that the commission will find such proof.

Definitely won;t if states are allowed to hide what was, up until the day the commission wanted it, public information. That right there makes me suspicious, where before I thought this was all bullshit.

>>134795174
>I am not against an investigation.
Ohh right. I misunderstood your first post. Okay, we'll find out after the investigation is done. They may find nothing at all. I do think it's likely there were a lot of illegal votes, though. Maybe not enough to cost Trump the popular vote, but still a lot. There shouldn't even be a few.

>>134790704
I doubt the Republicans in the Congress will let anything happen. They will do their best to sabotage it.

>>134792512
Quick /pol/, lay out the tablecloth, we have guests!

>>134794777
sheeeeit

>>134792512
>He's not the first president to win with the electoral vote only, and it has no impact on his legitimacy.

Last time I went to count, I believe there have been 5 times this has happened, before this election there were, of course, 4. Very roughly, it seems to happen in about 1 in 10 elections.

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>>134791114
Digits confirm

>>134791114
>not wanting Trump to win again fair and square, then have a Trump 2.0 win again
Pussies. All of you.

>>134794878
>People would possibly be executed for treason.
yes please. You have no idea how much I would pay to get to pull the lever to hang some of these fuckers. There could be some sort of a lottery, $100/ticket and put the proceeds toward the national debt.

I wonder if California will submit.

>>134792934
>How about the hidden-camera footage of Dems openly admitting they bus people around?


If you have worked in a campaign, this is not news to you at all. There is a concept -- "walking around money," used in Democrat urban politics, it means you give your guys in the field cash to spread around as needed on election day to roll the buses, pay voters, whatever is needed.

In my home state, at one point they closed liquor stores on election day because many a bought voter was getting drunk on his preceeds and so was unable to keep voting for the rest of the day.

>>134795939

should be interedasting

>>134795675

That's the other side of the coin to our electoral system. You can't win just by support of a few populous states, you need to obtain wide enough support among many states, with people all across the country trusting you to act in your interests, not just in the cities and not just along the coasts.

>>134795518

My only point has been that there remains no actual, hard evidence that fraud lost Trump the popular vote. If there is, then I'm perfectly open to looking it over. So far it hasn't been found to be the case in any state, nor by those who certified the election results, but we'll see.

>>134795096
what the fuck is wrong with her titties

>>134793420
>So if I post a video saying that I have done something, that makes it true?

No, it was already true or not true before you posted the video. But you asked for evidence rather than proof -- I'd say a confession counts as evidence, yes.

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>>134791114
Let it be so

>>134793536
>Illegals shouldn't be voting. PERIOD

You just want to suppress the minority vote. Racist.

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>>134794141
No one gives a shit about Trump on this issue. The problem is 5 million votes could change state elections dramatically. Especially in states that have propositions that are voted on.

Some of the dumbest laws have been passed by vote, even when the language of those laws say it's a bad idea. But they passed because democrats shilled for them.

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>>134790704
McFeels was right again.

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>>134790704

but but but...

Good. Let the DNC squirm while more roles are purged of illegals and dead democrats.

Loose the illegals, Ds loose CA.

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All of these FURIOUS libbies on the comments sections of articles.
Oh man dems are so fucking scared right now.
It's even funnier when they pretend it has anything to do with privacy when they didn't mind showing their asses on social media, but somehow an actual record of who they voted for will reveal more.

>>134794439
>He's going through the trouble of having a recount

He is not having a recount, that is a different thing entirely.

A recount does not find voter fraud, though it might find fraud in the counting of votes that were cast. And it is WAY too late to request a recount in any state for the 2016 elections.

>>134796147

A confession could be held as evidence, but without something to support it, it's only words. That was my point. The fact that somebody claims to have done something doesn't necessarily make it true. People make things up for all kinds of reasons.

>>134796217

I realize that just 5m votes would have a significant impact not just on presidential elections, but on any sort of election or vote. My whole point is, I'll believe it when I see it. And I can't understand why some people are willing to accept something as truth without actually seeing proof for it.

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>>134794777
YES

>>134796321
Because if they find massive voter fraud in places like California it draws into question every person elected to state government and every proposition that either favored illegals or favored the Democratic party.

Things like the "background checks for ammo purchases" or "assault weapon ban" laws that no one seems to understand how they got such wide margins of support when gun control has been unpopular for years.

>>134795329
This is what I never get an answer for in regards to the "vote data collection" shit. What data? Its not like you sign the ballot. At best the only thing they can get is the amount of votes from each voting station as well as (if it works like it does up here) the list of names of who actually showed up, in which case they can compare number of votes to people who legally showed up.

Unless I'm missing something and you guys give away your information when you vote or something retarded. Your entire system is fucky

>there's no proof of widescale voter fraud
>because nobody has properly looked into it
>thats because there's been nothing to prompt an investigation
>well if its as you claim we can put it to bed once and for all with one investigation
>NOOOOOOOOOOOO REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE THATS RACIST AND IGNORANT

The fact that this has been working for decades is simply astounding.

>>134794492
>I'll agree to the fact that fraud won Clinton the popular vote only once the evidence conclusively shows that, though.

Out of curiosity, where do you stand on the states that are refusing to share data with the commission that would show whether or not the allegation was true?

Personally, I think the allegation that Hillary carried the popular vote (meaningless, in any case) through millions of illegal votes is laughable. But I think vote fraud is much more widespread than the Dems like to make out, and that looking into it, establishing how bad it is and fixing it would be a Good Thing. Hiding data that would show what is going on seems to me to be a Bad Thing, and suspicious as fuck.

>>134792977
>>134792977
>NOTHING WRONG WITH THE ELECTION HERE FOLKS and it sounds a little ridiculous when they turn around and say Russia haxored the shit out of the election.


Checked. I figured this would be inevitable due to the dems. (You) said it perfectly. The fact of the matter is that THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH OUR ELECTION RESULTS BECAUSE NO ONE WILL SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT RUSSIA HACKING THE ELECTIONS.

Here is the problem. It is people who really cannot believe that Hillary lost. These were disconnected people as it was. They are only going to get more insane over the next few weeks. I can't wait to see how the dems spin this.

>>134796449
Take gun control laws in California for example. These laws, when polled before vote, get around 30% support continuously.

But when they hit the ballot box, they close at 80% support.

No amount of mental or statistical gymnastics can excuse margins like that.

Holy fuck. Do you guys understand what this means?

4 million votes that were casted for hillary are gonna turn out to be either:

A: illegal immigrant voters

B: voters that are nonexistant people or dead people

This is gonna cripple the democratic party, trump is gonna make it so EVERY state has laws that all voters must show proof of citizenship (birth certificate, drivers license) and 2/3 of every regular voter for the democratic party are gonna be unable to vote. The republicans will hold the senate majority, have control of the house and majority of state representatives.

This is gonna make the democrats powerless for decades.

>>134794568
Each state that refuses has said why. There are no good reasons, just paranoia that public information can't be public anymore because Literally Hitler.

>>134795890
That would be nice. It would be crazy if this White House anon 7-27 wasn't larping bullshit and they came out and said Russia colluded with Dems in 2008-2012 elections. Obama gets locked up in Guantanamo.

It doesn't fucking matter. These people have been pushing the nothing burger of Russian collusion bullshit for over half a year with no sign of stopping. They won't let anything that might come from this vote fraud investigation affect them either. The media has made up it's mind and so have the Republican party. They all stand with the Democrats and with her. They will never work with Trump and they don't care what the people who voted for him want. Nothing will happen just wait and see.

>>134794652
>Honestly though, I believe that some people will not agree with the conclusion of any investigation that doesn't show that Trump won the popular vote.


Of course. Similarly, some will not believe the result of any investigation that shows that he DID win the popular vote, or that just shows rampant cheating by their party. Some people won;lt believe any investigation at all because Muh ((((Reptilians.))))

>>134793821
Why isn't the Republic of Texas independently outlined in any picture? I refuse to be lumped in with the rest of Faggotopia.

>>134792826
So do you not believe Harvard University when it says over 8 million illegal votes cast in 2008?

>>134794690
http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/24/politics/kushner-trump-russia-latest/?fdflsdk;fsd

>>134796669

I think the reason some states are resisting is because it may be popular in that state to do so. There is a sentiment among some liberals that Trump wants to obtain voter information so that he can affect coming elections, which seems paranoid to me, but that is the fear many of them have.

>>134794721
I'd be fine with a sweepoing investigation into the security of our elections and the extent of cheating in any manner by any and all parties, with the admission that in the current climate, most people would just assume that any result was a lie by some flavor of "THEM."

>>134796978

You disagree that there are people who will disregard evidence that conflicts with their political feelings?

Look at crime stats and liberals who refuse to believe in racial differences. Some people just don't care about evidence, and they're on both sides of the aisle.

>>134797050

Sad how they can just stall a process until their propaganda narrative takes hold.

>>134796813
That's not how the law works. If a Republican does something wrong they might go to jail for it, but if a democrat does the same or worse they will have a fucking parade thrown for them. The law permits Democrats to commit crimes with no fear of punishment. It will be very eye opening to see what slap on the wrist the bike lock guy gets.

>>134790704
>they find out that hundreds of thousands of illegals have voted
>the dems, who are already in disarray get hammered to shit and lose 2018
>voter ID law passes
>Trump smashes whomever they pick (Zuckcuck/that mexican army bitch/Hillary again) in 2020 on the debates and wins since no illegals voting in Spicfornia
Whoa, Trump 2020 confirmed so early. Damn.

>>134797204

No real rush. Trump won either way, and let's be honest, chances are that a federal commission will not find anything that previous looks at the election did not. Perhaps they will discover instances of voter fraud, but not on scale significant enough to change the certified election result.

>>134795127
Your statements agree with what I know about things, other than the conclusion that fuckery is sufficient in those states to change the outcome. NY and California are pretty dark blue regardless.

But basically, any state with a substantial urban vote is going to see election day fuckery if not policed diligently. At the moment, they are not policed at all.

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>>134796075
dem titties make my eyes rain

>>134797050
>There is a sentiment among some liberals that Trump wants to obtain voter information so that he can affect coming elections,
That's kind of the point. If we dont put a stop to this voter fraud, then nothing else matters. These new commiefornia gun laws passed with over 60%. Even for us, that's insane.

>>134795329
Bullshit, anon

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>>134790759

>>134790704
It had to be done. If the DNC was so concerned about Russian interference yet don't want votes being looked at, you know something is up.

>>134797474
80% favored background checks for all ammo purchases, even when the issue was forecasted to only garner 30% support.

Some huge fuckery happened. It would not be surprising if millions were poured by various interest groups to get illegals to vote.

>>134795216
No, not even close. A judge has tossed out one suit trying to keep data from the Commission looking into voter fraud -- said judge ruling in a peripheral case in Trump's favor.

The issue of states withholding public information from the commission will wind up in the Supreme Court no matter how lower courts rule.

I would say it should be a slam dunk for the Commission, but with the past history of the court as a guide, no issue is sufficiently clear cut to be certain what they will decide.

>>134796658
All you give is your license in some states which requires, in places unlike Cali, proof of citizenship and shit

Literally no other information besides your license is given

>>134797452
holy fuck, I just noticed the hairy arms, and then the jaw

thats a dude

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>>134791114

ETERNAL TRUMP YAAAAAAS

>>134793821
Dare to dream.

>>134796075
Gravity, assisted by it's henchman Entropy -- sworn enemy of titties everywhere.

>>134794577
checked

>>134796658
Apparently the Russia hack is real despite the investigation as far back as last year providing zero results but voter fraud is fake. So the logic is that a country miles away has the ability to hack an election but the guy next door can't vote illegally despite being an illegal.

>>134797676
the largest big city to me is in nevada anyway, and I go up to oregon often, so i just buy my ammo there. No sales tax in oregon either. Jerry brownstain can suck my balls

>>134797722
How it works for me is the voting stations have a list of citizens who live in the voting district and all you need to do is give proof of who you are, they put a check next to your name and give you the ballot to do with what you want. That's not unreasonable in the slightest, yet apparently for some Americans thas rayciss. I'll never understand that thought process for as long as I live. My country is pretty retarded on most things but actually going to cast a vote is about the one thing we have correct.

>>134798037
>the largest big city to me is in nevada anyway
meant the closest big city. I'm hungover and having some hair of the dog, perhaps too much

>>134793420
Cali made it so there was no way to tie voters to registrations except by comparing votes cast to registration. More votes than registered voters=fraud.

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>>134794777
Damn, witnessed.

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>>134791114
MY BODY IS READY

>>134796449
>A confession could be held as evidence, but without something to support it, it's only words. That was my point. The fact that somebody claims to have done something doesn't necessarily make it true. People make things up for all kinds of reasons.

Fair enough, so you now at least admit there is evidence of organized voter fraud -- which may have been your beleif all along, but now it is explicitly stated.

You are right, there is no proof of the scale of that fraud yet, and certainly nothing to support the President's allegation of >3 million. But with evidence of organized fraud, an investigation is more than warranted (which I think you also agree with) to determine how badly the elections are being focked with. We have one into Trump and Russia, which so far seems to be going nowhere substantive but we'll see. I'd like to see the one into the Dems and illegal voting (plus any other party that ight have been doing it) go forward as well.

>>134795795
I had a dream last night where the last thing Hillary saw was Ivanka becoming the first female president.

>>134790704
6 months in and I am still not tired of winning.

>>134798378
for all the love that ivanka gets here, we have to remember she's extremely liberal. An ivanka presidency would be disastrous

>>134797033
And then the same people who created the data said "LOL WOOPS UR NUMBERS R INVALID CUZ WE MADE AN ERROR SOMEWHERE WE WONT SPECIFY TEEHEE"

>18 posts by this id to defend DNC
OY VEY SHUT IT DOWN

>>134794878
Unless they were foolish enough to register there will be no paper trail. Just significantly more votes than registered voters.

>>134795003
It smells your pussy

I know of a few ilkegal immigrants that voted in Rhode Island

>>134796658
In this state, we give our name, and address, the poll work checks that we're on the list, and we vote. Already in the system is your party registration, if any, which shows whether you are eligible to vote in primaries and, if so, whose.

That data is available to any person who walks into the Board of Elections with $100 or so to pay for the clerk's time running you a copy, electronically or printed on paper. But my state says this information which both parties buy multiple times during the election to target who has not yet voted with turnout efforts, is somehow to sensitive to share with the Commission.

>>134791729
This is why the popular vote isn't what decides. Cali and NY would decide every election if we went by popular vote.

>>134791729
>don't you think they'd have made use of enough of them to win the election?

I certainly do think they tried.

>>134796740
>But when they hit the ballot box, they close at 80% support.

OK, but there are factors other than just fraud that could account for that. Turn out is crtitical, which is why campaigns for candidates or ballot initiatives spend a fuck ton of money on it. Clinton taking her eye off the turnout ball in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, among others, is largely why she is not President today.

>>134796743
>The republicans will hold the senate majority, have control of the house and majority of state representatives.

Republicans already do.

>>134791114

EMPEROR TRUMP? KEK WILLS IT!!

>>134797050
But where do YOU stand on it? You don;t have to answer, but you seem to be thinking instead of spouting memes, and I am curious.

>>134790704
>people can justify blocking a fraud investigation

how

>>134798370
>Fair enough, so you now at least admit there is evidence of organized voter fraud -- which may have been your beleif all along, but now it is explicitly stated.

The video constitutes evidence of organized voter fraud just as much as my claiming in a video that I am an alien constitutes proof that I'm an alien.

My whole deal here is that I want to see actual, hard evidence before I believe it.

>>134791114
yes please
make it happen

>>134797139
>You disagree that there are people who will disregard evidence that conflicts with their political feelings?

No, I explicitly stated I agree with it, and pointed out that those people exist across the spectrum. I think you and I agree on this point, unless you surprise me and say you think only Republicans who like Trump would do this.

>>134799142

I believe that states should turn over information to a legitimate commission, because I don't believe that doing so will compromise future votes like some of those supporting the effort not to turn it over do.

I could be wrong, perhaps somehow turning over the information could have a negative effect, but I personally do not see it that way.

>>134796044
>remains no actual, hard evidence that fraud lost Trump the popular vote
refusing to investigate voter fraud is a good way to keep it that way, yeah?

since there are proven cases of voter fraud and not proven cases of russians interfering in the election then shouldn't investigating the impact of voter fraud on our electoral system be the higher priority?

Since we all care so much about the integrity of our democracy.

>>134799283

I must have misunderstood what you meant, then.

>>134791032
It's not federal information.

Federal elections aren't federal. They're a series if individual state elections, run by the states.

That's why some allow voting early and some have ID laws while others encourage illegals and dead people to vote.

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>>134798684
You did reported them right?
>inb4 you didn't

>>134799307

Go through the thread, read my responses. I am not saying I support withholding information. I support an investigation to get to the bottom of it, if for no other reason than the public is divided on the issue and could use some evidence to settle down.

>>134797401
>chances are that a federal commission will not find anything that previous looks at the election did not.

Did previous looks also have data withheld?

You may know of "looks" that I do not, but I am not aware of any sweeping investigation that has had both access to all the data and an interest in actually finding out what goes on with voter fraud.

>>134791452
how is this fucking even legal????

>>134797012
Fuck off Texas

>>134791114
ETERNAL TRUMP BECOME REAL

>>134799190
People literally believe Trump isndoing this for his ego or that he has some substantial say in how the investigation goes. I can bet and win money that none of the people rejecting the commission even known who is on the bvoter fraud panel.

>>134794878

>Trump does investigation
>Maccain finds out he won the election but was betrayed by his democrat friends
>he dies the next second of a well earned brain tumor

>>134791114
This timeline, pls :3

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>>134790704
Hahahahahahahahaha HERE WE GO!! SOON LIBTARDS WILL NO LONGER SAY SHE GOT THE POPULAR VOTE!! TIME TO SHUT YOUR MOUTHS AGAIN FAGGOTS AND BURY YOUR FUCKING HEADS IN THE SAND FOR 8 YEARS!!!! MAGA MOTHER FUCKERS!!!!

>>134798286
>More votes than registered voters=fraud.

Which is laughable, given how low turnout is, only an extremely stupid party would cheat at a level to get caught.

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>>134790704
And why do people think the DNC is going to shit their pants, oh wait there is literally no reason because you're all conspiritards who believe anything out of fox news. Try getting out a little more

>>134799343
> It's not federal information.
it is public information though and the federal government has as much right to it as anyone else and they also have the legal authority to review state elections under various statues (some for civil rights, some where they paid states to "modernize" their voting systems, etc).

this investigation is well within the law.

Obama was doing the same shit while in office. Engaging in widespread attempts to suppress white turnout and rig elections by claiming civil rights violations and interfering with state electoral process.

It is just politics. But voter fraud is very real and clamping down on it is a good thing. Liberals now walk around saying that "no one is illegal" and completely believe that illegal aliens should be allowed to vote and encourage them to, which cannot be allowed.

>>134799645
I don't think he won. Everybody was creaming their pants over the prospect of a first black president. He was literally the, "Who is this old man?" candidate that staunch Republicans held their noses and voted for.

>>134798378
>Ivanka becoming the first female president.

She is not eligible, though.

>>134795096
I like this German

>>134798871
>I certainly do think they tried.
I really think that Hillary & Co knew they were behind in all polls. With the help of the "Polls" and the (((MSM))) they created a winning narrative. I really think they did everything they could without getting caught directly. If she won, no one would have looked at the numbers etc....

The polls were wrong....so wrong that it was unbelievable. I don't think they expected so many people to turn out for Trump.

I am glad to see the research on voter fraud. If 1 person illegally voted intentionally, they should face punishment. We need voter ID. PERIOD. I don't see how a voter ID will keep the colored people from voting. They already have an ID so they can buy newports and 40s....its not like they don't have ID. There is no good reason not to have voter ID after this. It would help with accountability.

>>134792395

> knowing who voted allows you to know who they voted for.

Are you a special kind of retard?

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YES! TRUMP IS THE GOD EMPEROR!

He is single handedly saving Western civilization!

>>134799807
>everything is fox news
>Harvard models is fox news
>Jill stein doing recounts and finding illegal voters is fox news
>illegal voting is Virginia is fox news
Man it must be great never watching the crap your own news outlets write.

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>>134799864
How so ?

>>134791729
>lol if it's like so easy why didn't Hillary just like win by 900%?

I swear you "people" are fucking retards.

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>>134793821

>>134798948

He said "hold" not "gain". As in, they will hold their positions in the upcoming midterms.

It is very sad when a brazillian has to teach an american his own language.

>>134791729
just look at the states that have abnormal voter participation per population, all dominated by dems

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>>134790759
also wants to prove literally no one voted for Hilary

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wow slow down you fags. i need some citations here. gimme the goddamn links and then i'll start trowing feces out of excitement

>>134790704
This is huge, congrats burgers

>>134799195
You keep changing "evidence" to "proof" -- stop doing that.

Nobody has said (that I have seen) that a statement is proof, but a confession is evidence.

Elsewhere you seemed to be saying that you want proof before believing -- fair enough -- but you also have said there is no evidence. There is.

If I have conflated your posts wioth somebody else's and you agree that there is evidence but not proof, then agree tot hat and we're friends and can go over to /s/ and look at titties.

>>134800000
Checked em

>>134799343
It's true, federal elections aren't federal. That doesn't excuse voter fraud, or mean that the states get to be exempt from investigation over suspected wrong-doing.

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>>134799299
>to a legitimate commission

Gotcha -- does that include the President's commission?

>>134799342
You would not be the first. (Smiley face emoji)

Bump for Trump

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CAN'T STUMP.

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>>134800000
FUCKING CHECKED

>>134800446
The fact we have to debate whether the goddamn president request is legitimate is really telling how much bias is being put forth on what entity is "good"

>>134800342

Then I suppose what I meant to convey is that such evidence is extremely weak. If that sort of evidence is enough for you to conclude that what the man in the video says is true, then hey, that's up to you.

>>134800446

Sure. Why do you seem so intent on making appear as though disbelief in the idea that fraud won Hillary the popular vote is the same thing as being opposed to an investigation into the question?

>>134799833
>> It's not federal information.
>it is public information


Bears being posted again.

It owuld cost me about $5,000 in fees to get the information from every county in my state and hand it to the committee. I can't afford it, but I wonder why the state GOP has not done it -- unless the BoE is now hiding public information from everybody. Which they may be, now, it's gotten that insane.

>>134791729
>If they used illegals to win, don't you think they'd have made use of enough of them
You have to have states where all you need is an ID to vote and no proof of legal residence for IDs and you have to have a Democrat establishment in power that won't come back and prosecute people for organizing the illegals to vote.

Since Republicans have taken over most of the states in the country that narrows it down to NY and CA pretty much.

In order for illegals to vote in large numbers the must be organized. That is very likely happening in NY and CA and that means prosecutions of the organizers which means flipping people who testify about all kinds of corruption up the food chain in local politics.

The end goal here is to tear down the democrat strongholds in NY and CA and with them tear down the entire democrat party in its current form.

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Tfw trump voters get nice adaboy.

Feel's good man.

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>Nevada, Minnesota, Colorado and Illinois may flip due to this

>>134800007
Fuck, got my foreign sounding Trump woman's name confused. Ivanka is elligible, sorry.

>>134790704

>illeagals won't be able to vote anymore
>next generation is groin up in a meme timeline and is leaning to the right
>the left still has no idea what their mistakes are and how to win

Congratulation my friends. 2018 and 2020 should be easy wins.

>>134792395
Ah yes, we know realize you have to sign your name over your ballot. You do know that politically active people are registered to vote in the primaries, right? You sense FUCKING mong

wew, this is gud.

>>134799959
>I really think that Hillary & Co knew they were behind in all polls.


I'm not sure this is true. The shock and outrage she experienced do not agree with your theory.

I think Slick Willie knew they wer runjning a hugely stupid chance by pulling walking around money from key states where she needed the electoral votes, to try to run up popular margin and maybe get some congressional coattails. So he likely knew they had fucked up, or at least suspected they had.

Hillary should sue her campaign team for professional malpractice or something, they were morons.

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>>134793420
>I'm inclined to believe that the 'admissions' of those people on tape is more likely to be stories they came up with to make them appear like successful and capable political operatives.

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>>134790704
Holy Shit. This might be the big one.

>>134791114
PLEASE GOD MAKE IT SO

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>>134800990
No harm done.

>>134800951
It's insane how close Minnesota was.

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>>134799959
>We need voter ID. PERIOD.

Yes.

We'll have to make it available at no cost to the voter, though, or Racizm!!!!

Note that election laws of this sort or going to continue to be state concerns, and what we need is to remove from office leftist judges who rule falsely that any attempt to confirm a voter's ID is inherently racist and illegal.

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>>134790704
schlaf schon juden

>>134790759
Yeah senor. Por que?

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>>134790966
> Wetwork

>>134792331
How the fuck are you so fast Nordbro

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>>134800000
>those digits

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>>134794426


SoCal resident here. Illegals vote. The way it's done is they fill out on on-site voter registration form. In Spanish on request for their convenience. No ID required for voting either.

So in theory, a """voter drive PAC""" could get a friendly address in every town, bus illegals in to the polling office, have them fill out the on-site registration using that address, and vote. Rinse repeat for the entire day. Best to have a coach with them though. In 2012 I saw four Mexicans voting this way and fucked it up and had to get new forms and new ballots. All while I was waiting in line, four mistakes. Remember that when someone brings up how plausible it was for Obama to win districts with ZERO votes for Romney.

>>134799959
>I really think that Hillary & Co knew they were behind in all polls
Her people knew 100%. Hillary I doubt. She would not have conceded except that Obama made a deal with Trump and called her and told her he was pulling his support for her.

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>>134800873

>The end goal here is to tear down the democrat strongholds in NY and CA and with them tear down the entire democrat party in its current form.

Then I can understand why some are so willing to construct conspiracy theories and such. I will wait for the evidence and the findings.

>>134790966
>The left would shit their pants.
Those who were never Trumpers, but aren't hard left would probably be pissed, but the hard left would not give one single fuck as it believes that illegals aren't illegal and should be allowed to vote.

>>134800823
>>>134800342 (You)
>Then I suppose what I meant to convey is that such evidence is extremely weak. If that sort of evidence is enough for you to conclude that what the man in the video says is true, then hey, that's up to you.

I would disagree that itrt is extremely weak, but agree that it is not proof, and is particularly not proof of how widespread the problem is. But, coupled with my own experiences working campaigns, I find the confessions of voter fraud conspiracy pretty believable -- certainly there is cause to investigate.

>>>134800446 (You)
>Sure. Why do you seem so intent on making appear as though disbelief in the idea that fraud won Hillary the popular vote is the same thing as being opposed to an investigation into the question?

I don;t believe that, I have stated upthread that I doubt there was sufficient fraud to change the popular outcome (which is meaningless anyway, we do not have a direct popular national election.)

But I asked this question in case you disagreed, in which case we could argue about it.

Looks like we largely agree, so no argument, unless you want to state some stupid position that I can flatten with brilliant arguments.

>>134790704
inb4 millions of illegals and dead people unregister.

It's almost we live in a democracy and voting matters.

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>>134800000
witnessed

>>134801024
>Ah yes, we know realize you have to sign your name over your ballot

Wat?

I hope this makes it easy for ICE to round up the illegals who voted

>>134800000
WITNESSED!

>>134792395
shouldn't have registered as a democrat faggot, cant wait for the right wing death squads to round ya'll up

>>134801634
>could get a friendly address in every town

That would be very easy to detect, in the end.

>>134801856

>unless you want to state some stupid position that I can flatten with brilliant arguments.

Hehe

>>134801890
>implying illegal votes won't be shredded before they reach the feds

>>134801221
You may even be right -- if states stop hiding public turnout, we might find out.

States so far continue to hide the data which would, if you are right, prove your point.

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rut roh.

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>>134794777

>>134791608
>One noble impulse in Nixon's life,
tell me about it

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>>134801420
Minnesota is the Twin Peaks of American electoral politics. Any weird shit can and will happen there.

>>134790704
DNC say goodbye to Colorado, Nevada, and New Mexico, get FUCKED.

>>134797050
One reason they reason they might be resisting is the interventions that will surely come when widespread fraud is found.

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>>134790759
4d chess
It's easier for the average Joe to believe Hillary is a no good piece of corrupt trash if you prove there was voter fraud and she didn't even win the popular vote

Lock her up

>>134790704
Why do you want to deprive dead people of their right to vote?

>>134802325
i think it's more about future elections. if the GOP can stamp out widespread fraud, and it exists at the levels that some think, the DNC may never win an election again.

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>>134801634
>how plausible it was for Obama to win districts with ZERO votes for Romney.

Some precincts had zero white voters.
I'd expect votes for Obama in such precincts to be close to unanimous, and there are enough of them that you'd expect some to have a literally unanimous vote.

That said, even there I would expect SOME dumb voter to mark the ballot wrong by mistake.

>>134793627
Evidence says the lead she had came primary from LA, NYC.
Guess which cities have the highest amount of illegals?

>>134790704
>/pol/ thinks millions of illegals voted
are you all literally retarded?
journalists have investigated this issue, such a number is preposterous
it's good to question the MSM but it pains me to see how fucking dumb you all are
if you think otherwise then screencap this, cucks.

>>134791729
They can't do it in Michigan becausw they have Voter ID laws, which democrats only caved on because they never imagined they would lose places like that. Ever.

wew

>>134802511
Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if the fucking poll workers in LA were illegal.

>>134802147
>That would be very easy to detect, in the end.

Only if somebody is allowed to look at the data.

Of course, they could be slightly less stupid and use a handful of addresses -- that would be less obvious, and would likely only show up in the event of some commission investigating or something.

>>134802161
>if states stop hiding DATA ON public turnout

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>>134802147


If you look for it, yes. Which is why this panel is so scary to the DNC. For years they've been coasting on "LOL THERE'S NO VOTER FRAUD! YOU JUST LOST!" But there's no one that bothers to look into it. Our girl Jill stirred up a fucking hornets nest when she started requesting recounts.

>>134800000
>digits
>rare flag whose country is led by a black man that is killing their economy and way of life
>Poster seems redpilled that would get him executed if his government finds out
Seems legit, no arguments here.

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>>134800000

>>134791729
What's it like having nigger-tier IQ?

Serious question.

>>134791729
Oh by the way, I can confirm as an LAanon, they don't ask for a single piece of ID or drivers license to vote here

Walk up, tell them your name and get that names ballot.

Seriously

>>134802608
>people are dumb to have an opinion
>millions of illegals won't vote because reasons
Okay fuck off now

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>>134794777

>>134793821

And then the federal government curbstomps Cali, separates the republican half of the state into a new state and readmits it, and leaves faggotville coastal cities as a nonrepresented territory for decades, also imprisons/deports any noncitizens that get involved in any way as enemy combatants, and sends the rest of the liberals to FEMA reeducation camps.

I wish a nigga would.

>>134800000
Put me in the cap
Fuck you reddit

>>134802859
I think you're mixing us up with Venezuela. Not to say our economy isn't shit by bad choices.

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>>134800000
Nice.

Lol at the absolute state of american democracy.
You don't even need an ID to vote, they literally don't count the votes its just piles of paper they yell at.

>be me
>go to america
>vote
>go home

>>134796658
Its america dude they probably have to sign the ballot and pay a cash ballot tax.

>>134802707
>Only if somebody is allowed to look at the data.

And states do that to certify results, but if it's a foregone conclusion that democratic states are all corrupt for the sake of keeping democrats in power (As someone else here has), then I suppose that doesn't matter.

So hopefully once the new commission has a look, we can end the argument once and for all.

>>134802925

That's interesting, but the fact that something could happen isn't proof that it did on the scale we're discussing in this thread. I don't get why waiting for proof is difficult.

Given how hard the radical judicial activists have been fighting all of his other plans, the way they've just rolled over here is interesting.

Honestly makes me feel like there might be nothing to the voter fraud claims.

>>134792512

Haven't you people been shit on by trump enough to learn that he isn't some moron randomly doing things for no reason?

How can one man win so goddamn much?

>>134794310
You're one of those /pol/moms, aren't you?

>>134794777
Witnessed

>>134794310
Its because your country is a shithole and the world would be a better place if you hurried up and choked to death.

>>134802024
I'm calling him and idiot