Does /pol/ support Universal Basic income?

NEET money for everybody? It's basically communism without the work. Reducing everyone to equal poverty except for the 1% or whatever miniscule number of rich kikes ruling over their debt slaves.

>>134766503
The only welfare state that makes sense is the Nazi Germany version where you had to work, and it was paid for by non-whites.

>>134766680
isn't your country poor af on average?

>>134766503
What's the actual distinction between a UBI and a Negative Income Tax? Because I'm generally in support of a Negative Income Tax.

>>134766503
Yes just give me money for free lol

#yolo

>>134766680
>NEET money for everybody? It's basically communism without the work.
False

UBI is reforming the current welfare in a way that it directly hands out that welfare equally to everyone, so the state can dismantle all state spending (like healthcare) and tell you to go fuck yourself because it already gave you money
Additionally, think of it as getting a portion of your tax back. It's the opposite of communism

>>134766503
I support my penis in her mouth.

>>134766503
fuck off commie subuman

>>134766788
Yeah and i would directly benefit from UBI to begin with but i can see the horrors of the long term.
It's just the cheapest way to keep large numbers of unemployed purposeless people content. A waste of human resources that are dormant instead of working hard for their race and nation.

>>134766912
>Implying anyone could ever afford healthcare with UBI.
topkek

I'm against UBI simply because most /pol/ users would benefit from it

Dumb poorfags deserves to suffer

>>134766912
>Additionally, think of it as getting a portion of your tax back.
Or, just hear me out, the government could lower my taxes so I can keep more of my money. So instead of having to take part of my income, giving it to the state, then having that distributed to some shitheads, I can use it for whatever I want. Because It's my money. Isn't that a nifty idea?

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I like the idea of universal basic income, but there's no way it could actually work. Say the government gives every $10k. Rent just went up $10k. Probably everything else would get more expensive. It's the reason why the price of food was so fucking high for the past 5 years, even after the price of oil completely bottomed out. The Obama admin was handing out foodstamps in record numbers.

There's no way to make it work without price controls. But now we're in literal communism territory, and fuck that.

>>134766680
>Reducing everyone to equal poverty
This. Income inequality is the price you pay for high standards of living. You only achieve perfect equality when formerly rich man is standing next to you in the breadline.

UBI is the future.

Australia almost has it right, just the system is fucked. It's really easy to get on welfare here, assuming you're either studying or put on a program that specifically makes you look for work, or work odd jobs for either charity or other shit.

It sounds great from the outside, you can get money and the govt helps you find work or get resume references through charity jobs. But there's very few standards, and not enough people checking up on these "work for the dole" places. You hear horror stories of people who get injured and then getting their payments cut cause they can't show up due to injury.

Shit's fucked, but it could work if the government hired a lot more people to legitimize the process. Or privatize it and make sure there are strict OHS and union laws in place for people. Only then could a UBI maybe work.

I think relying on privatization could be the only way for a UBI to work, which is ironic considering it's a very socialist idea.

>>134767488
but the standards are plummetting everywhere and unemployment is on the rise

>>134767482
thats the point of stuff like this. Sure it sounds great if your an idiot and dont want to work, but the only way its going to work is if we do this whole communism thing that has proven to never work in the long run.

>>134767482
if nobody will be able to pay this rent, nobody will rent

>>134767433
>Or, just hear me out, the government could lower my taxes so I can keep more of my money
I agree dude. How about you try and contact your local senators or whatever you can to achieve exactly that, let's see how far you'll go

>>134768897
communist countries never had ubi or any type of welfare at all. they just had jail terms for whoever was unemployed

>>134767017
>her

>>134767482
This. you just made a baseline, and the market would react to the baseline.

Post ww2 the GI bill gave vets a lot of money. Banks came up with finance plans around that GI cash, as did unis and retail.

For your GI bill you could get a huber house in the suburbs, for instance. the market warped around this. However, since GIs were still a minority, it didnt have the same distortion effect as "give 10,000 to 2/3rds the country" would.

McDonalds, hospitals, Walmart, they all know exactly how much money they can charge for baseline services, based on welfare and minimum wage. UBI just shifts that up and devalues the currency. Now, that actually may not be bad from an export perspective, but there are other ways to go about that.

>>134768675
>Remove welfare completely and the unemployed will be forced to either relocate and find a job or starve.
>Single mother problem will solve itself too because every cumdumpster will have to either use contraception or find a provider for her offspring.
>stop feeding Africans and they will stop breeding like rabbits

tl;dr everything can be solved by hanging socialists

To be honest I don't really find her that attractive. She looks too perfect, if you know what I mean. Can't really think of her as a flesh and blood human.

>>134766503
Universal blowjobs would be nice.

>>134769697
Her eyes seem very soulless too.

>>134766503

No

Welfare should only be given to the genuinely ill/disabled.

Everyone else needs to work for the country and man -- it gives them purpose and improves our species.

>>134766503
As Ben (((piro said, the only point at which UBI becomes relevant is when we basically have Star Trek level technology - replicators, ability to 3D print anything anywhere, AI that is able to service every need - conversational or creative.

Until then capitalism and charity are the best options.

Beyond the fact it wouldn't work at all on a basic math level, I think even in a fantasy best-case scenario you'd just end up with the same people spending every penny of the money they're given and then screaming that they don't have a livable wage because they had nothing left for when their car broke down or they had to go to the hospital. If you want to take care of people, you need to be able to actually react to their specific needs instead of trying to create some utopian system where those needs never arise, because they will always arise. At this point, you lose the entire premise of "it's so simple because it means no welfare systems!"

Today? Fuck no, wouldn't work.

Maybe in the future when non-tech jobs are completely eliminated and everything is done by machines and algorithms

>>134766503
In a 100 years when human labor becomes largely obsolete, sure, but i'd rather us just go full on socialism. But until then, while human labor is necessary there should absolutely not be any incentive for people not to work, because people are lazy fucks and the humankind would deteriorate and disappear within a decade

It's a transfer of wealth from the part of the economy which demand is elastic towards the inelastic.

A plot for the rich to become richer by ruining the middle class. Basically, poor people will receive money from everyone, they then spend it in inelastic demand products which cost will grow due to excessive of demand, all pay, buy only some will win out of that.

No. It'll make everyone a depressed retired fuck. We need the drive to work to be wholesome.

>>134766503
I mean, if there has to be some sort of social safety net, I'd prefer UBI to welfare (which directly disincentives people from finding jobs) and social security (a Ponzi scheme). I think it'd be smart to give everyone enough money that they can buy their own catastrophic health insurance, so at least when someone comes to a hospital uninsured we can just call them a retard, rather than crying about it. Following that, UBI would also allow us to return to a fully private healthcare system.

>>134766503

In the ideal AnCap society:

Sure, sounds great, i wish you best of luck with your Universial Basic Income project. Just remember you can't force me or anyone else to fund it. If you try to, i might have to shoot ya. Have a nice day ma'am =)

>>134768936
>I agree dude. How about you try and contact your local senators or whatever you can to achieve exactly that, let's see how far you'll go
I have, they haven't responded to any of my strongly worded Emails because the state I live in is rotten to it's core. Many Americans, especially those in California, are taxed to fucking death with a bureaucratic system full of holes and inefficiencies.

With UBI I would be taking part of my income or assets, putting it into a mismanaged system, then that money is spread around and I get some of it back. Why the fuck should I pay into it if I'm going to get a fraction of it back? It is almost as retarded as social security, which was created with the premise that more people would be paying into it than taking out of it. The opposite is about to happen soon and we don't have any way to pay for it. What happens with UBI when people are taking more from the system than paying into it? The same thing, the state has the obligation to pay but can't afford it and we go further down the hole of debt.

The US government is like a teenage girl with daddy's credit card. You're going to end up with a lot of shit you don't need and debt.

How about instead of giving money out for free to everyone we just abolish money all together and instead give all products out for free?

I feel like that would be much more efficient than ubi could ever be.

>>134766503
no because it's a fundamental misunderstanding of economics.

>>134770919
Sounds great! Will you make me the products for free then? I dont want to make anything right now.

>>134766503
The taxest that will pay for it will come from the middle class, so no

>>134766503
Once the robotistocracy takes over UBI will be necessary unless 90% of the population is killed off.

>>134771075
While we're at it we should make all services free too! Oh and if you don't do it the state will kill you.

>>134766503
My state will probably test ubi in the next few years
The outcome will be funny for sure

>>134771455
If by funny you mean a tragedy sure.

>>134766912
>Additionally, think of it as getting a portion of your tax back.
We already have that. It's called deductions.
UBI was unnecessarily complicate that and gives money to people who don't pay in.
The fundamental problem should be really apparent by now.
Also, we should stop welfare anyways because it's fucking up the markets.

UBI will be necessary once enough jobs are displaced by automation, else no one will have the money to buy the goods that machines produce, and thus everything grinds to a halt.

If sentient artificial intelligence / the singularity comes about before everyones jobs are taken by automation, such an intelligence may be able to devise an alternative solution to the problem... I think this is the most likely scenario, as many human jobs require general intelligence.

>>134772584
>else no one will have the money to buy the goods that machines produce, and thus everything grinds to a halt.
mmmmmmh that sounds really familiar, I think I already read this somewhere

>>134770907
Yeah that's true but what can you do about it? As long as people vote in candidates who promised them welfare, welfare will continue to exist. And those people are the majority. Therefor we can conclude that welfare isn't going anywhere and that instead of trying to remove it, we should reform it so its not such a huge burden on both the state and the free market

>>134771778
>Also, we should stop welfare anyways because it's fucking up the markets.
Exactly why you should be for UBI - it's supposed to be a way to stop funding state infrastructure and healthcare with welfare or subsidies and instead give the money to the people so they spend it in the free market. The UBI is exactly low enough that you cannot save it and have to spend it, so this means that every UBI payout will be directly injected into the market, which is basically an indirect subsidy to your market while claiming that you're giving poor people free money. The market loves you, the people love you, and poverty is eliminated - literally what more can you ask for?

But still there are people who haven't put a lot of thought behind it and automatically claim that it's communism. Is the Fed's QE communism as well?

>>134766503
Anyways, we already have UBI in France, and all it does is create an underclass of welfare arabs and niggers who breed tremendously to get more benefits.

>>134766503
no but with the current developments in technology unfortunately this will soon become an inevitability for most governments

>>134772726
Where'd you read it you think?

>>134772857
>Exactly why you should be for UBI - it's supposed to be a way to stop funding state infrastructure and healthcare with welfare or subsidies and instead give the money to the people so they spend it in the free market.
Which would also fuck up the markets. Giving people money - who did not earn money - gives market power to people who have none. It would distort demand and artificially reduce supply. Do you see the issue with this?
> which is basically an indirect subsidy to your market
Which is bad.
>The market loves you
the market hates you, poor people and businesses catering to the poor love you.
>poverty is eliminated
because people won't mismanage money once it becomes free
>But still there are people who haven't put a lot of thought behind it and automatically claim that it's communism.
It's definitely not communism but does arise from socialist principals. Taking from producers and giving to the class of poor.
>Is the Fed's QE communism as well?
false equivalency.

>>134772726
I remember it from an Alan Watts lecture or book.

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>>134766503
pol is a conserva-

>>134773585
-tive board.
>shows proof that /pol/ doesn't like, yet another, welfare program.

>>134773678
I'd say 1/3 support for a radical socialist policy on what is supposed to be one of the most conservative sites on the 'net is pretty significant.

>>134766503
Fuck off commie, get a job if you want money

>>134773772
I'd say you're a faggot.

>>134773772
> on what is supposed to be one of the most conservative sites on the 'net is pretty significant.
Who made that claim?
>I'd say 1/3 support
30% isn't 1/3. Please don't be a burger. We have enough "liberal intellectuals" commenting.

>>134769841
because she has not tried black dick yet

>>134772857
>Yeah that's true but what can you do about it?
Treat the disease and not the symptoms. If the people are burdened with taxes and can't afford expenses why give tax then give that money back to them? That's horribly stupid and inefficient.

>Therefor we can conclude that welfare isn't going anywhere and that instead of trying to remove it, we should reform it so its not such a huge burden on both the state and the free market
It doens't matter how you reform it, it will always be a huge burden on the state and the market. The problem is that "reforms" almost always do more harm than good. Obamacare? Premiums are through the roof and more people just bite the fee, oh, and you don't get to keep your doctor. Thinking UBI is going to fix the problems of our current welfare issues if going full retard. People mismanage their finances all the time, giving them the money to do so is only adding fuel on the fire. Think subprime mortgages and the idea "everyone should own a house" kind of thinking. If I give someone 10K do you really think they are going to be smart with that money? Sure, a few people may. But for the most part people blow it on hookers and coke. Now that 10K is pretty much gone and once the idiot that blew it wakes up from his stupor reality comes crashing back down where he is living paycheck to paycheck.

>>134766503
No and if its instituted I will stop working entirely so as not to put anything into the system.

>>134766912
But if you have to pay into a system that only gives you some of your tax money back, why not just keep the taxes without paying them?
To even accommodate UBI, you'll need everybody to have a job. Can't pay money that isn't produced.
Unemployment would have to be illegal, and then the state would need jobs for the workforce to have, so they'll appropriate industries from richer people who actually own a business.
That's a good reason for those business owners to take all their money and their skills with them to another country.
In effect you'd have to print shitloads of worthless money to be able to afford UBI, but to keep life affordable you'll need to fix the prices of goods.
Inevitably you end up with an economy like Venezuela, where it costs more to produce toilet paper than the price of it in stores.

UBI is just another version of communism. Don't go there. Bad luck.

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>>134766503
Yes, after we purged the liberals.

>>134766912
>paying people not to work
>welfare reform
pick one and only one

>>134774498
>those four aspirations don't fit in the job you work to afford to live
Whoever drew up that image clearly hasn't had a good job.

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>>134774619
That was one of the oldest version i got, always gets plenty of yous

>>134773866
> year is 2070
> sentient AI just created
> within 2 years automates every job
> you've exhausted all your savings buying food
> can't find job
> ask robot overlord for tuppence
> *microsoft sam voice*
> Fuck off commie, get a job if you want money

It's just communism with a new name.
>"wouldn't it be nice if we could all just have free shit for doing nothing"

>>134766503
Welfare in all it's forms is destroying families.

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>>134766912
>getting a portion of your tax back.

... but the liberals and endless hordes of foreign invaders aren't getting "their" taxes back. They'll be getting other people's taxes back. They don't pay a damn thing into the system.

Parasites voting on who gets to be their new host.

>>134774902
Kinda like Universally Preferable Behaviour, also known as Christianity - God.

>>134767482
That's a bunk theory, rent wont go up, that only happens when capitalist scim raise prices to compensate for lack of profit. It do3sn't happen automatically, I'm tired of this billshit argument, dumb ass.

>>134766503
We do not need central planners trying to fuck with local markets. Americans want to buy locally produced goods. They know how to get their local economies back. This is why they have been voting for Tea Party since 2006.

>>134766503
unsustainable, unfair and stupid just like every other socialist sheme.

>>134766503
I think it would be fine once automation takes over nearly everything and can produce huge surpluses. If they want to pay for UBI by taking hardworking people's money than I say no.

>>134775027
If all the poor people (renters) have more money given to them, property managers raise prices since people need housing and will pay whatever the cheapest price offered is. They dont have a choice unless they want to be homeless.

>>134775120
Unfair from who's perspective?

>>134766503
It is the most likely of the welfares to work, but as parasites are apt to do, they will slowly piss on the margins until they get "special circumstances" tacked on.
>welfare can't work, because people are untrustworthy

Yes, elites are just going to give obsolete labor free money and totally not exterminate them with opiates and other means.

>>134766503
No work = no money.
Fuck off.
The only ones who would benefit from this are niggers and spics who breed like cockroaches and will collapse the system.

>>134775322
We can place regulation to control the housing market, making that wicked tactic of raises prices for necessities illegal.

>>134772584
The mere existence of another human being bears no inherent value to either you or me.
What they do, what they contribute is what matters and with automation the contributions of humans slowly but surely disappear. So why should these humans that contribute nothing be given a means to continue their existence?

This is why many would claim some kind of transcendence via technology as the way to go. And i would agree if i believed that a true AI capable of replacing the human mind entirely would come about within my lifetime. I don't believe that will be the case.

Therefore we're left with simple script machines producing goods and hordes of humans doing nothing.
Sooner or later laws of nature will reemerge and these humans will be forced to fight for their mere existence to justify that very existence. And this will last until a transcendence of some kind can finally be achieved.

>>134774934
This.
People should rely on strong family values rather than state money.
This is why new generations don't date and have children.

it's like believing in perpetual motion devices.

i'm going to need a cool million in non sequential treasury bonds.

Libertarians and ancaps are worthless, I say we enslave them and make them pay for us

>>134775832
Oh my god this is spot on!

>>134775737
>The mere existence of another human being bears no inherent value to either you or me.
Of course a sapient being has inherent value. Only a psychopath or autismo would think otherwise.

>So why should these humans that contribute nothing be given a means to continue their existence?
Because it's the ethically correct thing to do (obviously).

The correct fix is voluntary eugenics, ie paying money to the stupids to have 1 or 0 kids. The problem fixes itself within a couple generations and is perfectly ethical, just, and humane.

>>134766503
>http://www.strawpoll.me/13519987
Okay...Going to make a case for why I voted yes.

I would totally support it if we had little to no immigration. Secure as fuck borders and totally eradicated social security. If we can also remove at least half the illegals in this country as well. UBI is not sustainable with immigration it flat out isnt.

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>>134766503

I support UBI but not as cash payouts.

UBI has to be like food stamps.

Also, you have to show you are looking for work every 2 week, with a detailed documentation of you search or company progress.

Most of the people on this board who are against UBI or Foodstamps are fags who spend all their money on bullshit and complain about not being paid more.

>>134775907
our maybe a weeks payed emperor package at Caesars palace

>>134770083
I will tell you right now, what I've felt about that idea for... over half a decade.
If all the post-scarcity stuff ever happened, and someone still needs me to keep them up for f-all know what reason in that situation, a hypothetical situation when survival and prospering is essentially figuring out how to effectively push a button/download a schematic to create a thing by pushing a button, or do that to design a resource gathering system? Aka post-scarcity society? Anyone wants to leech off of me Then, in the most can-hack-it era possibly imaginable aside being a literal god... is getting a 3d printed rpg round to their skull from my button-push-away personally robot army.
I'm going full on eugenics mode to inferior leeches then. Fuck that care-bear shit, man.
The future will not be a take-from socialism dominated society, lead by utter losers. I am not keeping up the retards. I'd eradicate them, and the world will be inherited by the monkeys smart enough to push the button and receive the food pellets on their own, so to speak, without having to make me their damn slave.
And that sir, will be a much more peaceful society afterwards, I must say I believe. You press your buttons, I press mine.

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>>134766503
>free money for degenerates
kys commie

>>134776228

^ this

The borders have to be secured, illegals cannot be allowed to gain access to UBI.

Immigration should have always been a tightly secured process.

The fact that we let people into the US who don't speak English is ridiculous enough.

English is now universal, books and studies for English are universal.

I'm not 100% against immigration but there should be prerequisites that pretty much ensure the person coming her is cultured into the gist of America and can integrate instead of isolate.

>>134775340
The one that actually work

>>134776195
There is no inherent value of a human being other than their genes which over generations also accumulate deleterious mutations causing disease and reducing overall fitness.
In nature natural selection takes care of the dead end genes whereas your blind ethics would reintroduce them over and over into the rest of mankind.
Beyond the genes of an individual the only value they hold is in their actions whether simple manual labor which is the easiest to take away with automation or by problem solving with intelligence that's difficult to replace with machines which mainly do relatively simple math so far.

Bottom line a family with 20 something kids in Africa that only consume and produce absolutely nothing in return is OF NO VALUE TO ANYONE. If you believe otherwise you're the psychopath or autismo.

Yes.
I'm debt free with a house.
I'd never work again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVW-FB1q8FM

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>>134774902

It's taxation without representation.

> MUH taX ation is EEEEVIL!!!

If you hate a stable society so much, why don't you leave the shit city u live in and move to the mountains...

Oh yea because you can't pay bears and deer dollar bills... that's right.

>>134766503
Sure I do. In fact, why don't we just literally scrape a meter/yard of the entire continent of Africa, pick it up, nigs and trees and birds and wildebeests and all, and just *THUD!* drop that fucker right onto Europe and Australia and North America. Nignogs runnin' every damn where.
Because hell, every last nigger on the whole damned planet, is going to banging down the doors to get into a nation with a Universal Basic Income to get them free gibs. Every fucking leftist is going to cummies all over, desperate to 'dem votes, so yeah let's do this thing.
Niggerworld here we come. Fund them babbys. Them unemployed gib' me nigger roach paki spic wonderful babbys.

>>134770083
If we lived in that socoety we still wouldn't need UBI because everything would be free. It wouldn't cost anything.

>>134776195
If they break the rules and breed excessively is it humane to sterilize them or their babies? What do you suggest for punishment?

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>>134776832
Finally a sensible post.

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>>134769350
>http://www.strawpoll.me/13519987
This.
It's just communism by another name.

>>134766503
No, it's a surefire inflation-causing measure. When the supply of money redistributes to the vast majority of citizens, the value of the money will go down and prices will rise. UBI checks will be useless when they hit the doorstep.

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>>134766503
>Over 20% of /Pol/ is mentally retarded according to this poll. Let that sink in

>>134766503

no, I support public dividend like Alaska, that polcy recognizes that the people own the commons

>>134766503
For rosties? No.

>>134774902
Yeah, fuck spending time with your loved ones, pursuing your hobbies or improving your community for the short time we spend in this place
Better just go out and make someone else rich

>>134766503
I'm going full blown Carl on this one. Are you fucking kidding me? no i want people to work and have meaning in their life, not sit around feeling sorry for themselves.

>>134776881
What if they are essentially worthless people to begin with, low quality human beings?

>>134782030
Work doesn't give you meaning fucking faggot, it makes you a stupid slave. You wagecucks are the worst.

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good to know 1/4 of pol is now lefty pol

>>134766503
No. People who don't work for an income should be left to die, and I truly, honestly, passionately believe in that principle.

>>134782859
So you hate your royal family?

Fuck no you guck

Fuck no you guck

>>134767017
As do i

>>134766503
No. It is your own damn fault if you don't have a job. Don't ask others to bail you out of your mess because you put yourself in that predicament getting indoctrinated into Marxist bullshit or you don't take advantage of everyone and everything to get ahead.

>>134766503
Fuck your poll. You work, you eat.

>>134766503

Yes, if Western Civilization is headed to destruction, I might as well get some free money on the way down. Works for Alaska anyways.

>>134766503
Yes under the condition that any who receive it are required to be put on birth control and cannot have kids.
Being on UBI for a cumulative 6 years results in permanent sterilization.

We don't need people dying in our streets and getting desperate and turning to crime, but no fucking way should someone who cannot even provide for themselves be allowed to rear children.

>>134766680

What work? Soon, for the masses, there will only be government sponsored busy work jobs that do nothing. Might as well drop the pretense.

>>134766503
Universal basic income would be amazing in a fully European society with a strict justice system and high levels of civil responsibility.

Unfortunately a country like that has no chance of existing in our current environment and UBI would just lead to more Africans and Muslims getting gibs.

>>134784320
And everything will be just fine with exponential demographic growth that doesn't have to work for its own existence?
UBI solves nothing, it would likely bring about another massive collapse via plague or world/civil war or both... Actually it might not be that bad of an idea, lets do it and crash this thing already!

Doesnt matter rich govs will always come up with a way to fuck over the world use up its resources and spend billions of tax money on weapons and fag science projects and somehow blame the impoverished cuz yea people just love living at the bottom of the barrel with all these endless opportunities i guess that explains the huge gap we have right? Yea just flush out people that dont wanna be used by patriarchal homosexual systems under the guise of political parties. Funny thing is none of this high and mighty i work for mine attitude would exist without these so called useless people that mooch off resources that 9 times out of 10 belong to their people in the first place....fuck off

>>134777531
Wow thats funny you mention that since the landmasses you mentioned had that same thing happen in a sense but it was caucasian neanderthal apes (from asia imagine that!) that came swarming in with their religion homosexuality dirty plagues and COLON ies (shit farms). Crazy right? Imagine a bunch of smelly bums who werent allowed to bathe for years and contract lice naturally (??) coming into the jungle disturbing the peace. And check this out it was these same migrant caucasians who invaded the Appalachians in west virginia who later were aided by the goverment with welfare first before anyone in so called Africa which is another continent where the monkey blood spilt and pillaged just like asia the americas australia and europa. Your theory has already been applied ten fold sooooo... La de da tra la la

Yes, 0 is the minimum

>>134767017
Agreed.. even if it has a "feminine penis", she can throat my monster.

>>134766503
Why would I ever support redistributing my money to some useless garbage?

For Whites, yes.

>>134777020
This breakdown of genetics hahaha so now peoples entire genes are irrelevant unless their labor can be validated by groups who seek to control the worlds resources all while convincing fools like you that those who live in africa or any area that isnt completely plagued are less deserving of THEIR own resources. So because you obviously hail from a gene pool who is known to have the lowest birth rate in the world somehow this justifies eugenics you have something against a woman birthing children? Or are you one of those assholes who believes something like that effects you because some blue collar fags said theres not enough of the world to go around on the tele? Boiling everything down to money never taking time to think why poverty exists. Hmmmm kinda sounds like too many people are butt hurt when it comes to good genes and reproduction as always same old "you make more babies than me so ill kill you all" mentality *cough cough* baby dick syndrome

>>134768675
We are sliding towards the breadline end of the spectrum as we steadily embrace equality of outcome.

>>134767228

>Implying that green text "implying" comments are original and not over used.

Look up Charles Murray's UBI plan. He's a conservative and he designates that a portion of the UBI must be used for healthcare.

>>134789482
There may come a day when humans will no longer posses the human nature as we know it. Until that day we're still greatly bound by laws of nature and stupid retards like you are the first to get deleted from the gene pool.

>>134767482
> Say the government gives every $10k. Rent just went up $10k.

Obviously just printing money would devalue the dollar. Look at Milton Friedman's plan. I'm assuming if a UBI were to work it would need to be tax based as opposed to just printing off cash. Because just printing the cash would devalue the dollar.

>inb4 14 year old triple echoes Milton Friedman.

Or look at Charles Murray's plan. I think Charles Murray's plan is the best as it does not eliminate the profit motive, and it gets rid of the welfare state.

Under Charles Murray's plan people will still have major incentives to create and work. But the jobs will likely become creative and STEM oriented.

If the plan were to work it would obviously need to take into account demographics at a national level because demographics will affect how UBI is used. Protection of the borders in such a state will be of the utmost importance to avoid the economy from being overrun by 3rd world economic migrants and collapsing the economy.

>>134766503
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>>134768588
>UBI is the future.

Yeah, there's pretty much no way society can avoid it with automated intelligence. The more important issue than UBI will be how humanity controls the AI that necessitated the need for UBI in the first place.

Dangerous times ahead.

>>134789841
And the prices of pharmaceuticals and medical procedures will just magically stay at an affordable level instead of being jacked up sky high right? Just like they're not being jacked up sky high with the current healthcare insurance scams?
Whatever go ahead and have your UBI, i truly hope it's as catastrophic as can be expected and niggers will breed out of control forcing a long overdue race war.

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>>134766503
100%, we'll turn into africa without it.
An alternative is, collectively setting up 'corporations' and buying robots to make food and other commodities for us, communism-style; boycotting companies who refuse to pay 'robot-tax'.

>>134766503
There will never be a universal income. They want people to lose their jobs and die in the streets. Giving them money would go against their plans.

No UBI, I support NIT.

>>134766503
For a homogeneous society, yes. For the current society, no. Your poll sucks. The procreation station is hot though.

>>134766903
Universal basic income would be a flat negative tax. A progressive taxation that can go to negative would not be flat.

>>134790794
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>>134766503
No.

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Universal Basic Income is for commie faggots. Absolutely not.

its simple, we make the robots adopt humans who collect the wages the robots earn problem solved

we must give the robots intangible inalienable human rights so they can't be used as slaves

As a Social Democrat, no. Literally the worst thing that could happen to the workers.

>>134766503
Not by that name, which is an attempt at obfuscation.

Just call "welfare" by it's name, and we can discuss how much it ought to pay and how poor you have to be to get it.

>>134766726
>paid for by non whites
>Nazi Germany
A country with only whites surrounded by whites with no colonies was making money off of non whites how?

>>134766503

Naw

If you don't produce an income, you should starve and die the rest of productive society does not need to pick up the slack.

in the future if you're nice to a robot it may become your sugar daddy

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>>134766503
where does all the free money come from?

>>134766503
The dearth of $ signs in this post is all the evidence you need that it will never work outside of the feelings hugbox.

>>134794703
nationalizing the corporations of course without being in private hands the gov't can divide the profits of the companies amongst the population

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>>134793932
Also the irony of "I'm not a robot" captcha. Bender won't like that either.

>>134768675
Not everywhere. Resources are flowing out to China, India, and other shitholes. Globalism is about achieving a global equilibrium of wages, prices, and debt. That means everyone currently in the west gets shit on.

GAS THE AUTISTS POSTING UNRELATED SEXUAL IMAGERY.

FUCKING KIKE SCUM.

>>134768675
Not in the US, only really in Europe

Yes, with UBI people have freedom to create things while not feeling stressed about financial security. Also many people are oppressed and aren't given fair chances in the job/education market so guaranteed income should be expected. This will however horribly fail if it's done under multiculturalism.

which brings us to the important questions, should robots have genitalia? if you were self aware and made without genitalia wouldn't you hold envy towards the creators that handicapped you deliberately? i would

>>134766503
The luddites were not competely wrong.
Our economic structures are based on consumerism. I produce something and am compensated for that production. I use my compensation to purchase the production of others. Others use their compensation to purchase my production. Whether I make shoes, flip burgers, manage others, manage others money, or if I’m one of the few I manage my own money but in some way there is production. Until recently the major source of production was labor. It is egalitarian in that almost everyone is born capable of labor. Technological innovation and invention have reduced the amount of human labor necessary for production. Human muscle power was replaced first by animal and now by machine. Machines today far exceed the human capacity for strength, dexterity, endurance, accuracy and precision. The missing piece in the doom of the value of human labor is AI. Elon Musk thinks it's dangerous to society and this is one reason why. It's not skynet you need to worry about it's that when AI truly arrives it will make human labor worthless. The subsequent social upheaval will not be pleasant for some. Labor's value is decreasing at an accelerating pace. This is causing problems we all see.
When labor becomes worthless as it soon will, what will happen to society? When the only way to achieve compensation is to already own capital what will happen to the great majority of the population that own nothing of value?

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>>134766503
What we should support is a PURGE

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>>134788514

i would kill all humans

>>134795728
>>>>/leftypol/

>>134795820
in the future /pol/ will consist of big metal cock threads/ how can humans compete

>>134766503
Giving everyone money won't help anyone since they'd all stop working, making the money worthless, forcing everyone to work again to sustain themselves or die.

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>>134775690
>>134775690
>continually proposes more regulation as the solution to all of life's problems
t. Scum of the Earth Communist

>government wants to instate UBI
>doesn't want the market to treat UBI the same as inflation, and turn it into an excuse for price gouging
>go autistic with math
>convert the current value of all essential goods and services into a gold price.
>>ex: one loaf of bread = x grams of gold
>go back twenty years, converting for each year
>average them together
>place limitations on the market price for said goods and services
>allow fluctuation as supply and demand fluctuate
>>ex: As towns develop into cities, the value of land inside the city rises. Allow renters to raise prices an appropriate percentage, if they so wish.
>>ex2: disease strikes a specific crop one year, lowering the total supply by over half. Allow normal increases in price as scarcity to meet demands increases the value, have prices return to the previous baseline as the supply is replenished.

Maybe I'm retarded, and I know, MUH FREE MARKET, but that's the only way I see UBI having even a remote chance of working.

With reasonable limitations on essential goods and services in the market, which should bleed over into indirectly regulating the price of luxury items. You could argue that people would have more money, so producers of unessential goods or services may price gouge, but with the prices of food and fuel being regulated there's no justification outside of simple greed. If it becomes a problem, then they could receive the same treatment as essential goods.

All that said, UBI should also have limitations on itself. Find out the average cost of living throughout the nation, then only give that amount. Some places will have a higher cost of living, these people will still need to work if they don't want to be homeless. Some places will have a lower cost of living than what UBI covers, so sure, they could possibly enjoy a shitty NEET life where they've got the bare minimum to survive and maybe a new PC every decade or something. They'll still need to work if they want a more comfortable life.

>>134797055
humans can be repurposed like selling their bodies to robots that need to relieve stress

>>134797869
Your plan breaks down when you consider people receiving more than the average cost of living. Their benefits will be cut. That is why UBI is a no-go. Political third rail.

Milton Friedman supported it, so I do too

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>>134766503
>27% support ubi
ew wtf

>>134766503
I would be in favor of UBI as long as it was well below what is needed to live and all other welfare was ended.

Maybe $10k / year per person who are living in nuclear families.

>>134800639
>he doesn't support ubi
Stay mentally retarded

It'd be better for the middle class and decent poors than the current system and not incentivize poor women to pump out 20 keeds.

>>134800639
27% are lazy 20y/o who dont want to get up to go to work on mondays

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>>134766503
niggers

>>134802844
Mondays suck desu
waking up at 6:30 on mondays suck more
entare calle