>When nationalists try to run a country

What do you mean, it's like that in the entire western world?

>>134762202
They have the sense to take in immigrants though

>>134762089
> It's literally doing fine
> Island is overcrowded as is, birth rates aren't even a problem if culture is preserved, they aren't being replaced
> Inb4 muh economy
> Ranked as the most complex economy in the world by OEC
http://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/rankings/country/
http://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/profile/country/jpn/

What's wrong with the population getting smaller?

>>134762620
Japan is to CEOs/EUs' prescription of refugees/economic migrants for "dying populations" as Venezuela is to people who support socialism

>>134762765
Social security is literally a Ponzi scheme so it needs new younger tax payers to prevent the structure from totally failing, which is why western governments want so badly to import new people. As for the economy, lower birthrates and population may be a good answer to automation.

>>134762765
High elderly population means a major pension problem, also possibly difficulties with healthcare administration.

>>134762986
>somalis are going to pay taxes

>>134762986
God forbid that old-timers Margaret and Archibald can't afford five caravan holidays a year...

>>134762620
They're not nearly at the point of actually running out of space in Japan

I highly doubt that the loss incurred from changing Japans culture is such that its worth committing economic seppuku

Best of luck to Japan if they want to maintain standards of living and their international economic status with ridiculously irresponsible economic planning

>>134762765
If it was just that it'd be pretty bad and you'd expect a fall in living standards associated with a decreasing labour supply however Japans population pyramid is also undergoing an inversion which will inevitably worsen the impacts (huge retired:working ratio)

>>134762986
The Japanese have large savings so nobody gives a shit.

>>134762089
japan is an american colony that is not nationalistic at all.

>>134763109
Refugees in the us pay $21 000 more in tax than they receive in benefits after their first 20 years

>>134762089
>Low birth rates are

Countries with low child mortality rates and long life spans have low birth rates. People don't need 100 kids running the farm since they only live to be 20.

20 years ago, they was an expected and welcome sign of modernization. But now that countries are so in debt, they need mass immigration to keep the economy growing.

Even cucked Macron thinks birth rates are bad in Africa and part of the problem.

>>134762089
>birth rates have to go up
Japan is full

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>When a country looses to a fucking bird

>>134762765
Decrease in (((GDP)))

>>134763443
White kids pay even more than that.

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>>134762089
Japs are sexual deviants and degenerates.
I'd hardly call a country where you can buy used panties on a vending machine, "conservative".

I really dislike the Japanese, never understood how so many people get a boner for such a decadent, degenerate culture.

Older Japanese are based though.

>>134762765
Smaller population = Smaller or stagnant GDP, debt default, no money for pensions, less economic power on the world stage, less young people entering military age anually, your culture and race dissappearing, need I go on?

Countries like Brazil or India are world powers today just by shitting more babies than the rest. Because on a per capita basis they are still poor countries, but they have so many people that they could defeat militarily several smaller or medium Western countries if they wanted to.

>tfw they are almost done with the west and are now looking for new targets
>tfw Japan will be 40% muslim by 2100
>tfw the national cuisine will be kebab
>tfw Japan will have terrorist attacks every 3 weeks and your muslim transnigger grandchildren will go "how can we stop this senseless killing? #prayforKyoto

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>Still don't understand that liberalism depend on white tax dollar which they gonna lose it very soon

>Kill the golden goose , only sub-human left

>can't blame conservative because there is no such thing like white people or conservative

Liberal promise to the minority that they live like white middle class in 50s

but they still live in poverty , and angry mob gonna burn it down liberal voting machine

Terrorism and riot , that's your future

>>134763443
lol ok

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>>134763255
>They're not nearly at the point of actually running out of space in Japan

>>134763622
>Countries like Brazil or India are world powers today just by shitting more babies than the rest.

Good joke. It ain't stone age anymore, who cares if you have more bodies with rifles if the other side has better artillery, cluster bombs and nuclear missiles.

>>134763819
If the Japanese economy was booming (which needs a growing population to do so), they could be colonizing space. They certainly have the technology and the know-how.

Accepting rapefugees or allowing your population to shrink are both cuck options. Japanese need a breeding program to get their birthrates up.

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>>134763617
I'm not even sure considering GST that someone would've payed $21 000 in tax by age 20

>>134763699
http://www.nber.org/papers/w23498

>>134763819
Wow look at NY guess theres not a square inch left in the US

>>134763443
While normal citizens pay $40000 more in tax because they don't receive any benefits.

In fact if it weren't for the refugees the overall tax burden could be lowered and normal citizens would have more purchasing power which would lead to higher living standards.

keep your nigs to yourself

>>134762089
japan has 125 million or some shit gooks on a tiny ass island the size of new york. they need to die. immigration or higher birth rate is retarded for a country that small with no resources.

>>134763819
>show the middle of Tokyo--one of the largest, and most densely populated cities in the world
>SEE, ALL OF JAPAN IS OVERCROWDED

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>>134763986
India has nuclear missiles.

Brazil has the know-how (enrichs uranium) and could develop nuclear technology in a couple of months if they ditched the NPT treaty.

It's not about having more soldiers.
More people = Broader tax base = More military expenditure

>>134764122
The rest of japan is mountains, they got very little flat land left.

>>134762765
As others have said, our economy is a ponzi scheme and debt dependent, so if countries run out of people to put in debt, they crash and burn. Add to that immense leftist brainwashing, service-based economies and democracy and you get thing that everybody hopes to fuck up not in their term.
I hope Poland, Russia or whichever white(ish) country will go fascist by that time, because not only West is slowly failing, but so is China. Somebody has to rebuild.

>>134763622
>culture and race dissappearing
dude, it's not like they're having no kids whatsoever, just less. Your culture and race disappears when you open the doors to mass immigration.

>>134763622
I just like their videogames and their refusal to bow to the Jews desu

>>134762089
So they solve their overpopulation problem? Now the don't have to live in tiny cubes

>>134764295
So it's going to implode anyways, why not now

>>134764319
>just less
You are assuming there will never be another world war. Allow your country to become less important on the world stage and anyone will be able to bully you.

The current, United Nations, rules-based international order will not last forever.

>>134764184
>While normal citizens pay $40000 more in tax because they don't receive any benefits.
Public education? If there were millions of native born citizens on tap then you'd have a point but there aren't. In a developed nation your options for spurring population growth are limited, you either subsidise childcare or relax immigration restrictions

>In fact if it weren't for the refugees the overall tax burden could be lowered and normal citizens would have more purchasing power which would lead to higher living standards
No because you also have a large tax paying base with refugees. Tax burden is lower provided refugees pay tax.

>>134764284
I've been to Japan. I know for certain the entire place isn't just the Tokyo and mountains

>>134764209
this. let time trim jap prole fats

>>134764572
So the solution is to keep popping kids out non stop and importing millions of foreigners? Doesn't seem sustainable. Best solution is to maintain a respectable army and develop nukes so nobody will try to fuck with you.

>>134764524
Because everybody is afraid of it. Simple. They keep bargaining for more time in panic.
...Unless (((they))) are planning something.

>goyim you need to increase the population forever!

Japan literally has 10x the population density of the united states. They have way too many fucking people, especially with automation about to explode. Yes, Japan will suffer in the short term as they have a large elderly population for then next 15-20 years but eventually they will all die and their population will level off. With less people the cost of space and resources (food, etc,) will decrease and they will have more children. This is one of the rare cases where a problem solves itself.

>>134762294
please kill yourself

>>134764767
The solution is breeding programmes, little or no immigration (ideally allowing only very skilled college graduates), mantaining a respectable army and nuclear weapons.

Mankind should be aiming towards the stars.
This overpopulation meme is just allowing Africans to outbreed the rest of the world.

>>134762089
Since when is Japan run by Nationalists ?

>>134764277

>Takes GFR seriously
>Thinks he has an idea about anything
>Mig-21 or F-22, who cares, only numbers matter, both count for one

India has a nuclear arsenal similar or smaller than tiny ass Israel. With worse missiles to carry it.
Point in case.


>More people = Broader tax base = More military expenditure

More infrastructure to manage, more needy to take care of, especially if they are all third world poor. An average Japanese salaryman spare many times more tax money than an average Indian, and they will be spent better too.

>>134762765
>Population becomes smaller
>People abandon small towns
>People abandon small cities
>Everyone lives in mega city
>Population still gets smaller
>Extinction

Before you guys tell me that never happened, it never happened because any country that had a super low population rate got invaded and replaced by the other tribe.

So yeah, low population rates are bad. The natural human mechanism for overpopulation was to invade other countries. Thanks to the UN, this is impossible.

>>134762089
>island nation decreases population to sustainable level
>this is a bad thing
fuck off Schlomo

>>134764915
Seriously, why do people think always increasing the population and never lowering it back down is sustainable? Even two seconds of thinking about that will make most people realize you can't increase population forever. It HAS to drop sometimes.

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>>134763443
>after their first 20 years
You're a credit to your race.

>>134765247
That's a huge guess you're making there. And you're assuming that the population will just keep decreasing forever. Japan is way overpopulated as it is. They would be better off with less people.

Here's the problem with the stupid argument "but not literally every square inch is occupied by people so it's not overpopulated!"

Think of it like this. You have a train station. There are only so many houses you can build around that train station. Let's say there is room for 100 houses in walking distance of the station. If you have 100 people who want to live by the train station, everyone is happy. But what if your population triples, and now you have 300 people who want to live by the train station? The prices rise dramatically. Now the people who live by the train station can not afford to have children, because they're spending so much on housing. In addition, the people who want to live there but cant afford it must take long bus rides to the station, meaning they have less time available to have or raise children. Are you stating to see how this can be a problem? When you increase the population, almost everyone suffers, because the people who get limited resources are paying more for them and the others cant get the resources that they want or need. The only people who benefit in this situation are the rich people in the housing and railroad markets, who get more money for their products. If you increase the population regular people suffer and the rich get richer.

>>134764277
How does the US have 145 million people as 'manpower' in their military? That's almost half the population and I don't think half the population is fighting-aged men, even with an enormous draft.

Are they counting women? Private citizens that have government contracts? I know it's not just infantry they mean by manpower, but I don't see how we'd have 145 million people working even loosely with the military.

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>>134762089

逆フェミニズム

>>134765322
No goyim, that's racist. The answer is always to import more low IQ third worlders. You need these Mexicans and Somalis to pay your pension.

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>>134764915
I think this is probably what will happen. Tokyo is dense AF. Way too many people. While the West will suffer immensely when automation proliferates, Japan will be in tip top shape. Their low birthrate will only be a temporary growing pain.

Just wait, in 50 or 60 years the world will be an over populated immigrant shithole with no jobs and civil unrest. Meanwhile Japan with be ethnically pure and functioning wonderfully.

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>>134765206
>India has a nuclear arsenal similar or smaller than tiny ass Israel. With worse missiles to carry it.
Nice cherrypicked example. Israel is a country paid-for by the US taxpayer. Like I said, India today could potentially bully most medium-sized Western nations. This was not the case 50 years ago.

To be a world power you need a large economy. This can be achieved with good economic policies that lead to wealth creation, and with a growing population. This cannot be achieved if your population is shrinking.

Case in point, Japan has been in an economic rout since the 1990s. Russia is another example of a country that will dissappear into irrelevance if they do not get their birth rates up.

>More infrastructure to manage, more needy to take care of, especially if they are all third world poor.
You think the politicians in Brazil or India give a shit about the "needy poor"? Top kek.

>An average Japanese salaryman spare many times more tax money than an average Indian
Yes, but if there are 10 times more Indians, this is compensated and the tax base is the same, that's my point.

It's not one or the other. Ideally, a country should aim to have both a large population and a wealthy (per capita) population.

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>>134764044
Increasing population only drives inflation of currency (more people seeking same goods). The increased value in GDP due to extra hands to work is at least 75% air and doesn't result in a prosperous economy as for each set of hands - whether they work or not - you've got another mouth to feed.

Also, you're either a fucking retard or a jew.

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>>134762765
>What's wrong with the population getting smaller?
Oyyyy veeyyyyy! Think of the unlimited GDP growth models goy!

>>134765920
Russia will not "disappear" into irrelevance because they have oil and gas, which Europe needs and will always need. They will be fine until the oil/gas runs out which is when our planet is completely fucked anyway.

>>134765721
she looks only part jap

>>134762089
Who's the jews constantly shilling for japan to take in shitskins?

>>134763122
I was forced to pay into social security my entire career. If I don't get it, or get some watered down UBI bullshit, there is going to be hell to pay.

>>134766118
You weren't paying into anything, you were paying for the retirement of people older than you. You let them steal your money by voting in shitty politicians, that's not our problem.

>>134766118
>If I don't get it, or get some watered down UBI bullshit, there is going to be hell to pay.
Better start preparing now then m8

That social security is going to be long gone in 20 years, (hell, it's already gone now, it's just o bought time at this point)

>>134765993
What you have described is reflected in GDP per capita. It's how Australia has been able to run 'technical recession free' for 25+ years

>>134762765
If you aren't constantly expanding then the fucking house of cards that is our debt driven ponzi scheme of an economy falls apart.

>>134762089

We aren't taking in refugees
We're fine

>>134764979
>breeding programmes
>Japans continual success pretty much entirely dependent on increasing birthrate
>can't do it
It works but only to an extent. You have to face reality at some point and realise that immigration is necessary for any developed nation.

>>134765266
A sustainable population is one thats steadily increasing or at the very least remaining stable.

>>134765410
They have kids and spend another few decades working as well.

Besides thats mainly just a stat to debunk the meme that refugees are a burden. Your net position with the government is only a fraction of your economic impact. For example, famously Buffet payed less income tax than his secretary yet no one would ever claim that Buffets secretary is a greater asset to the US than Buffet himself. Similarly, a refugee working in any given field is going to perform services of value for his employer and customers only a fraction of which he will receive in compensation and then a smaller fraction yet will the government ever see.

>>134765993
>Increasing population only drives inflation of currency (more people seeking same goods).
Only if no more goods are being produced.
Which would be extremely rare if the economic policies are reasonable.

Provided no Zimbabwe-tier economic policies,
More population = More goods being produced

I have a degree in Economics. Yes, population growth is important IMHO.
Most economists shill for immigration because breeding programs to get the birth rates up are not politically correct, but that should be the solution.

>>134764932
>Reasonable argument
>please kill your self

nazis are snowflakes

>>134766118
>Grandpa JedFoo grabs his shotgun
>Walks down to the local Social Security office
>"Ow my hips"
>"Ow my knees"
>"Fuck it i'll just sit on the couch"
There's a reason the govt likes to screw the elderly

>>134766305
There's nothing reasonable about taking in poor shitskins under some retarded idea that they'll actually pay taxes, much less enough taxes to cover the absolutely batshit insane amount of benefits our country pays out to old people.

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>>134765047
>since when is Japan run by nationalists?

>>134766280
>yet no one would ever claim that Buffets secretary is a greater asset to the US than Buffet himself
I would absolutely claim that

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>>134764638
>you also have a large tax paying base with refugees
>refugees
>tax-paying base
top kek. Just like all those unemployed doctors and lawyers who just came up from central Africa for the European weather and the university teaching positions.

>>134765890
>>134765890
That could be what the lefties plan. Western countries will be full of "old white racists" with their fat pensions and stock in increasingly automated factories, while the young third worlder underclass is pissed off about not having jobs or wealth.

The commies are just making their dream come true...

>>134765920
> Like I said, India today could potentially bully most medium-sized Western nations. This was not the case 50 years ago.

Because 50 years ago there was no "peace dividend", no "feminist foreign policy", and western countries other than USA also had decent militaries because of cold war. Now most don't even come close to NATO minimum of 2% gdp spending. India is at 2.5%.

>You think the politicians in Brazil or India give a shit about the "needy poor"? Top kek.

Illiterate peasants shitting their guts out because of dysentery won't fund you a world power army even if you have a lot of them. They will just increase chances of getting some idiot socialist in power and going full Venezuela.

>>134766280
source for this "debunking" pls

>>134766085
japs r the nazis that got away that's why. now pay up

>>134766298
>Only if no more goods are being produced.
Increased population doesn't directly lead to increased economic output and resultant greater prosperity. You only get those benefits if local industries are equipped to harvest that labor potential and use it to generate value. If there is no localized industry to employ the increased population all you wind up with is masses of poor living in squalid conditions.

cf: India

>>134764979
Niggers will breed themselves to death just like the parasites they are. The only reason they still exist is because the (((UN))) keeps feeding them.

>>134766822
Yes, I agree.
Let me try to explain this in simple terms.

If A, B or C
If Not A, not C

A = Growing population
B = Stagnant economy
C = Growing economy

A growing population does not guarantee a growing economy. But a shrinking population does guarantee a stagnant economy.

>>134765687
Or you can just build another train station?

Your correct in saying that price for some housing will increase and that the rich will tend to see the benefits the most however I don't think I'd support any immigration program without some kind of retraining program.

>>134766435
Its pretty uncontroversial that he increases price efficiency and employs hundreds of people with his activities.

>>134766536
http://www.nber.org/papers/w23498

>>134766298
Fuck you retards, your shitty models and policies have literally sold out our future. Infinite population growth is neither sustainable nor desirable. If your precious economy falls apart from lack of it, then we might as well get it over with now.

>>134764871
After seeing what the US did to the Russians after the fall of the USSR peaceful implosion is pretty much impossible without massive economic looting from whoever is left standing

>>134766641
see
>>134767163

>>134767163

>and that the rich will tend to see the benefits the most

You mean they're the only ones that won't see a significantly WORSE standard of living, including depressed wages and increased crime.

>>134767084
Of course it does. Imagine a company who has 10 employees who make $100,000 each. Now imagine a second company who has 1,000 employees who make $5,000 each. The second company has a GDP 5x higher than the first company. However, whose employees are happier?

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>>134767266
Everyone (apart from possibly the bottom 10% of earners) will see an increase in living standards

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>>134767266
Immigrants tend to have lower crime rates than native born citizens

>>134767298
Fast forward 10 years.

Company A now has 9 employees making $125,000 each. Company B now has 2000 employees making $7500 each.

Which company has grown more?
Where would you buy stock?

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>>134766305
>They have the sense to take in immigrants though

>>134767163
>Or you can just build another train station?
Lmao, you're missing the point all together. You can only have so many train stations, at some point people will have to live far away from them. The point is that many resources are limited. The best example is probably meat. Meat takes a ton of space to grow and a ton of water/resources compared to any other food. The more you increase your population, the less people will be able to eat meat. In the U.S. we have extremely cheap meat because our population density is low, so we can use wide open spaces to grow it. In other countries meat costs more money, especially in a country like Japan.

>>134762089

implying that exponentially growing birth rates is required for a small island nation that is already one of the most densely populated areas of the world. Because if they dont over populate themselves or import hordes of other people who will they will somehow die off as a nation?

>>134767413
>2+ generation immigrants are a thing
>count as natives
>not fearing deportation for crimes because citizenship
> raised in "poor oppressed minorities can do no wrong" culture

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>>134764253
You know that most of Japan is mountainous right? As in you can only build cities in low-lying areas.

>>134767468
You're completely missing the point. I am acknowledging that increasing the number of people increases GDP but I am suggesting that a higher GDP does not mean happier people. Less densely populated countries tend to be happier even though their GDP isn't as high as countries like Brazil, India or Nigeria.

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>>134762089

>when economies are run based on debt and as such require a constantly increasing population to continue
When is this shit going to crash and burn. Fucking kikes

>>134767748
You are forcing me to choose between one or the other. When in reality you can have both a growing population and a wealthier, happier economy. (For example: USA in the 19th century)

Allow your "happy" economy to shrink and one of the "unhappy" countries will come and take all your shit. Realpolitik 101. We are living in an artificial rules-based international order that will not last forever.

>>134766085
Ethnostates are fundamentally harder to exploit

>>134767413
Maybe because they are deported instead of going to prison, retard?
Crime rates and prison rates are way different, you dishonest kike.

>>134762765
This

Unchecked population growth is literally Africa-tier, it is not a good thing

>>134767953
You are comparing the U.S.A to Japan when Japan has a 10x higher population density already. Japan's population can reach 1/10 of their current population and still be as densely populated as America is.

>>134767084
>homeostasis is undesirable
study of non-linearity in population biology and should be part of formal economic training. I don't know why you guys always assume linear results when forcing non-linear systems but I'm always amused when a bifurcation in the system's results throws economists into turmoil trying to find the causation.

>>134762089
Why is a retracting population a bad thing? Japan is overcrowded af

>>134766273
>We're fine
Poverty increasing
Consumer spending hasn't increased in decades
Massive debt

You're about to fall to fucking Thailand levels of economic shit if you don't change. A few brown people on the streets will be preferable to having to stand in lines for basic food.

>>134768067
Which is why we should be using the welfare money that goes to Africa to colonize space, not shrink into nothingness.

Mankind was meant to expand, not wither and shrink into hedonism and nothingness.

We have this beautiful blank canvas of sky above our heads just waiting to be colonized.

>>134762089
Israel is also ran by nationalists and we have pretty high fertility rate

>>134767368

This one is just fucking wrong

>>134767413

This one is because most of the immigrants are beaners while a significant portion of our natives are niggers, and niggers are way worse than beaners. Also because immigrants are much less likely to report crime.

>>134768067
>Japan's population can reach 1/10 of their current population and still be as densely populated as America is.
Because America is nearly 30 times larger

>>134768256
FTL travel and terraforming are not possible you fucking idiot

>>134762089
Japan can just make robots to work for them

>>134762765
This. The world is overpopulated as is.

>muh pensions
Old people horde all the jobs anyway nowadays. Why the fuck do they deserve pensions and healthcare as well? fuck them.

>>134768370
Yes bigger countries should have larger populations than smaller countries....

>>134768417
The upper atmosphere of Venus is a comfortable 21° C, no solar radiation, similar gravity as Earth, close by, and totally colonizable with current technology, no terraforming and no scifi shit.

>>134767545
>You can only have so many train stations
Its only going to be limited by the amount of land that you have or how much demand could possibly exist for train stations.

>The more you increase your population, the less people will be able to eat meat. In the U.S. we have extremely cheap meat because our population density is low, so we can use wide open spaces to grow it
This is a good example of how immigration can help you use resources better actually. Imagining a hypothetical town with a beef industry in which population tripled statistically and economically speaking what one would expect to happen is that the price and quality at which the meat is sold and processed would be expected to increase. Imagine the marginal utility of meat workers payed $16/hr as being normally distributed, in a smaller labour pool there were less highly capable workers that could be employed and thus the company would inevitably have to settle for workers who weren't quite as able. In a larger pool however there are more highly capable workers willing to work for $16/hr. A similar adjustment would occur at all other firms in the town giving an over all higher economic output per person and overall. This specialisation is a long known impact of immigration.

http://www.eapmaster.org/sara_delarica/docs/REA_8nov2012_final.pdf

Simply put, immigration can help economies produce more for less and allows for better allocation of resources.

>>134767877
Nation full of short stack tittymonsters, truly Japan is the greatest country on this planet.

>>134762294
But I thought automation is going to wipe out all the labor jobs?

>>134767163
>population growth - Pnext = P0e^rt is an exponential system
>add a train station - Knext = K0nt where K is the limiting value (train stations) and n is the number of stations added per time unit - linear solution
It's not possible to implement linear solutions fast enough when r gets over 2. Don't they teach math to you abos?

>>134768888
Jesus, look at those quads of truth

>>134765554
It will decrease forever but it will not get to that point because they will get invaded.

>>134763026
Yes, these are problems, but nothing compared to the problem of shitskins.

>>134762986

The problem with that analogy is that you assume that the immigrants

a.) will be paying tax (using americans as an example, i think only 60% only pay income tax).
b.) will be net contributors.

Its like trying to replace cracking concrete with rotting wood.

>>134768619
>Its only going to be limited by the amount of land that you have
You have to consider distance from the heart of the city (work) and other things that want the space (for example, a mall might be built where it would be convenient to have a station). You're still missing the point. The idea is, the people who can get a spot around a train station a good distance from the work is limited. You can see that in Japan where many people commute for hours each way every day. You're trying to get into semantics here while ignoring the overlying point that SPACE CONVENIENTLY NEAR WORK is limited and the more people you add to your population, the more prices will increase IN SPACES CONVENIENTLY NEAR WORK and the less people will have access to these spaces. I brought up this example specifically because it's a massive problem in Japan right now. It's why you have people living in expensive shoe boxes so they can be closer to a train station. You are trying to deny to me that this problem CAN exist when it ALREADY DOES exist.

As to your second point it completely ignores what I was talking about with the amount of space and resources to raise meat which gives the U.S. cheaper meat prices than the rest of the world. I'm not going to let you derail the discussion so I wont even respond to what you said.

>Japan's population starts to equalize on that tiny midget island of theirs
>Jews: Quick Quick before they realize our plan we need to convince them to import blacks and arabs to impregnate their wives!

>>134769188
>It will decrease forever
lolno, it's already rebounding: >>134769032

Why are Canadians so fucking dumb?

>>134762089
Japan's population is too high at 127M.
Japan's target population should ~50M for long term human environmental stability that's still more dense than the US, which is arguably overpopulated also.
>>134763255
Japan's economy will be fine. Yes growth rates will suffer. But you have a short sighted view on economics. Japan is doing the right thing for long term by being more environmentally conscious.
Short term economics doesn't matter when global warming and overpopulation threaten the global economy and the very existence of humanity.
Human economic planners definitely shouldn't be of your shortsighted ilk.

>>134767646
They're just assimilating to Americas high crime native culture

>>134768009
Illegal immigrants maybe

>>134768349
>This one is just fucking wrong
My eyes are open now

Seriously though not an argument. Your feeling that immigrants are worse than satan isn't going to overturn established economics

>This one is because most of the immigrants are beaners while a significant portion of our natives are niggers, and niggers are way worse than beaners
Just balance black crime out then, open the southern border

>>134768681
Not for a century at least

>>134768888
Its not a linear relationship. If I have 500 train stations spread out in all directions over Tokyo if I'm asked to construct one more station in any given location just outside of the current network then chances are its going to cost a lot less than if I have 24 stations and have to build one more just outside of the network. There's a chance a whole new line may have to be built or that it may be very far from any existing line as well as the important fact that the network likely facilitates a smaller population and thus recruiting a team to construction the station will be far more expensive than if the train company had to draw from a smaller population.

>the world is overpopulated
>but you need immigrants

Which one is it, globalists?

>>134766118
Old people and their shit talk.

>>134767170
Infinite population is sustainable.

Provided we have plagues and wars.

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I'm not sure at all how it works specifically in Japan , and what I'm gonna say could very well be it, but wouldn't it be better if during their working years, a single person gets taxed extra, and when they retire, that money is given back to them, so that the only person they're paying for is themselves? I'm a retard who doesn't understand how all this works, but that just seems like a good idea

>>134763443

The paper is behind a paywall. I'm not gonna accept the conclusion of some (((study))) without knowing their methodology. I highly doubt a 70 IQ Somali will be generating enough income to pay $21k above what he gets in benefits.

Encouraging and possibly subsidizing stay at home motherhood is literally the only solution to this problem.

No, replacing your population with cheap 3rd world labor is not a solution.

>>134762765
DDDDDDDDDRRRRRRRRRRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUMMMMMMMMMMPPPPPPPPPFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF RRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAACCCCCCCCCIIIIIIIIIIIISSSSSSSSSSTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!1

>>134769300
>You have to consider distance from the heart of the city
I'll concede that the most inner city, high demand property will probably increase in price however I'd expect to see a fall in median house prices. With an influx of low skilled migrants one would expect lower prices in lower skilled industries such as construction

>You're trying to get into semantics here while ignoring the overlying point
Not really the train station just wasn't that good an example. You can build more train stations but you can't build another centre of Tokyo.

If your wider point is solely about having to take long commutes to get to work and other facilities then you're really just talking about a reality of modern living. Very, very few people in the developed world live within five minutes of their work. Its a pain but being able to work a few hours away from where you live has substantially increased specialisation and thus output.

>>134766118

This reminds me of the conversation I had with some Gen Xers who adamantly believe that they will be able to get social security.

At the same time, they believe that government is out to get you and that the US government is a crock of shit that can't do anything right and is evil.

>>134769494
Wasn't talking about global effect. Your answer to a threefold increase of people using their local station was to build another station to service the increased local population. To address the increased local density you've not only got to build another station locally but you have to remove habitation to do so (which increases density further). even assuming zero local population growth the addition of services required for the increased density decreases habitable space and drives density higher and begins to feed back on itself. Add a population increase at all in a highly energetic system like this eventually causes wide chaotic swings in population as they begin to quickly oscillate around a number of stable positions. We call those moves between stable positions war, famine, and pestilence. Drive the system hard enough and they become the norm rather than the exception.

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>>134770061
>but wouldn't it be better if during their working years, a single person gets taxed extra, and when they retire, that money is given back to them, so that the only person they're paying for is themselves?

This would just be called saving money.

The entire point is that people don't have the foresight to do this responsibly so the state has to plan for them, and people will have different outcomes with age, some need more healthcare, some do not. By pooling the resources it's meant to even out for everyone. If you get unlucky you'll be covered.

It's basically an insurance scheme.

The problem is that this was devised long ago and counted on people working to about 65 and then dying only a decade later on average. Now people live longer, and consume more resources. Politicians also started dipping into these funds for other purposes.

Result? It's insolvent. Solution? It's pretty easy, raise taxes. But that's political suicide, so now the jewing and kicking the can around begins.

What's actually happening is we're taking on boatloads of debt to cover everything (including other failing schemes), and all that is, is saying: "here future generations, you fix this shit somehow, it ain't my problem". Only we're now at the point those future generations are actually coming up and finding the bill.

Generational warfare is real, but vastly overshadowed by the elites wringing out all profit the last 40 years to themselves alone. Look it up. Wages adjusted for inflation are flatlined for all but the 1%. Meanwhile housing and living costs have risen.

Everyone's poorer except the already rich.

Social Security and the alphabet soup is why the "Greatest Generation" should be burned alive. They torched our inheritance, gave us up to dictator presidents, and they should never get another check for the rest of their lives.

Social Security is why we are in this mess. Social Security is a Rothschild weapon against American society. Nobody will fight the federal government anymore. Nobody can see past this life anymore. Nobody will defend good against evil anymore. Nobody will have freedom anymore.

>>134770744
Wrong, Japan is so population dense that prices will likely go up regardless due to the increasing costs of getting natural resources.
You see, overpopulation isn't about "there is no space left!" it's about scarcity of natural resources. Since humans ultimately depend on agricultural products and industrial products to maintain standards of living and to fuel their activities. All while labor increases in abundance. You can't throw labor at your problems and expect it to solve them. You need economic planners aware of the amount of labor to natural resources available.
The more your spread thin Japan's natural resources, the more you have to import steel, food, wood, etc. at high markup.
Simply put: Japan's supply curve slopes upwards, obviously. There are diminishing returns to expansion especially in an already dense area.
Japan's population needs to fall for its economy to be sustainable.

>>134771605
This is the system I was discussing in >>134770814 Eventually population density, if left to increase, will overdrive some system and the population will crash to a lower stable state. Think inability to get enough food through the logistical chain to service the population. After a couple bumps to the system like that and people abandon the city. cf: Detroit

>inb4 samefag

>>134762089
they are overpopulated as fuck, populations weren't meant to grow infinitely you r-selected cuck

>>134766021
sauce pls

>>134768519
Other than the fact that it's literally an atmosphere of sulfer and CO2. And the fact that at any point in the atmosphere where the density is great enough to float things, the pressure is many times greater than our atmosphere. But sure, lets spend trillions to live in a pressurized cloud of poisonous acid.

>>134762089
>birthrate needs to keep skyrocketing
>because fuck sustainability amirite
Yet everything else about the country is exemplary. There's so little crime that their police force literally has nothing to do.
Quite frankly, if that's a Nationalists country, then Nationalism clearly works

>>134762765
>>134762986
>>134763026

Not a problem in Japan.

Old people will just kill themselves if they become a burden to the young.

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Japan has actually be doing well with their birth rates. Anyone who says otherwise is just a kike trying to fear monger and infiltrate their society since they are one of the few countries who dont have jews controlling their country.

>>134771433
You're thinking boomers, the "greatest generation" was the one before them, the one that fought ww1, and dealt with the depression, those guys are based

>>134762089
And where is problem? Times when country needed as much people as it could sustain without starving have passed.

>>134771165
Well what if they keep all the money seperate, and if a worker dies early, they take the money, and when older people need more healthcare, you give them the amount they need, and you keep the rest for the next old person.

>>134765841
do any of these thing actually happen if population declines? not sure if Im retarded and blue pilled, or that post is full of shit

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>>134763255
>committing economic seppuku
Japan becomes poor Japan

>committing national seppuku
Japan becomes Far East Machine Construction District.

Declining birth rates in developed countries is a simple adaption to modern technology and will fix itself when left alone.

>>134772724

Not just nationalism.

Having a slightly higher average IQ significantly reduces the number of people in the petty criminality IQ range around 85.

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>>134773048
This

>>134762089
Japan is the most densely populated country on earth. 70% of their land is too mountainous to develop and they have 140 million people. Imaging half the population of the US living in the LA metropolitan zone. That's Japan.

>>134763026
That's what old people get for not having families. You reap what you sow. Why can't lefties grasp this simple concept????

>>134768067
>Japan's population can reach 1/10 of their current population and still be as densely populated as America is.
But what technology can rapidly decrease population of Japan??????

>>134763443
Lol no they don't. Don't be so easily convinced by Jewish lies.

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>>134774790

Anime.

>>134762089
>Nationalist
>Less than 10% of their population willing to fight for their country
Nice try, shlomo

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>>134762089
I guess those two atomic bombs and nucelar powerplanf meltdown had more of an effect than we first thought.

>>134762294
Why is that sensible?

>>134762089
Since 1975 Japan's population has increased over 10 million with a fertility rate supposedly below replacement. Since this is impossible, the graph is complete bullshit.

Japan is rapidly automating, so is every other 1st world nation, there is no need of high birthrates or mass immigration.

>>134774717
Don't worry. They are dog people though. Fido will take care of them.

>>134762620
>capital accumulation in the country is preserved
>very smart, civilized people
>population is decreasing, ethnic/racial homogeneity
can anyone tell me how this doesn't make them richer?
more important for the well-being of the people than total GDP is GDP/GNP per capita.

>>134762089

Lol if you invert the forecasts its 100% right in the direction

>>134769494
>They're just assimilating to Americas high crime native culture
That's not assimilation, but rather refusing to assimilate, happens all the time and they get delinquent.

>>134769032
What happened in 1966?

>>134762294
We can fix our ponzi scheme by allowing massive amounts of unemployable manual laborers in to replace our high IQ citizenry.

>>134764253
Is it really coming down to this?
You need to deny that an island nation with over 130 million Japs is underpopulated to rationalize this?

>>134762089
Japan were running around playing Samurai just a few hundred years ago. They don't need to continue the modern meme, they can just burn everything down and go back to samurai life.

Just kill social security.
Let the old people riot.
We can take 'em.
We'll all be richer when they're done.
Our social system will be stabler,
once it's no longer putting relics on the dole!
Stop papering over the failures of statism.
Bend already before the system breaks.
Falling populations do not destroy free markets,
but statist systems are dependent on perpetual growth of populations.
If a system is dependent on growing populations AND it restrains economic growth like statism does...
Why do people see any future in it besides grinding poverty for an ever-larger number of people?
Grinding poverty for an ever-larger number of people is what we see of statism in practice.
Unencumbered markets never stop growing richer.
Even little pockets of unencumbered market have worked miracles for world wealth.
Capitalism brings value to the workers; socialism was a plot to steal capitalism's surplus value production for the sole benefit of the elite.

>>134769237
that's because the professed goal is "muh slave labour, they pay our pensions".
Implying that you can even pay pensions off, the real goal is to ensure a voterbase.

>>134763443
I Europe they are still behind after 3 generations keep living in dream land

>>134762986
Good point, we should throw our culture down the drain so gran-gran can live for 2 more years

>>134762089
What happened during 1965 for the straight downward line?

>>134762089
maybe it has something to do with the blurry penis porn? All the men are very self conscious because theirs dont look like that

>>134763443
20k in 20years
wew lad

>>134762089
overpopulation is a thing.

basing your economy off of infinite population growth and pretending you can replace your population with niggers to somehow support your economic-population-growth scheme is the most retarded.

>>134762089
Do you think an administration is nationalist just because they don't take in immigrants?
In foreign and domestic policy, in trade and diplomacy, Japan has been very international.

But all of that aside, relating these notions to their birth rate is absurd.