At what age did you grew up from (((colectivism)))?

>>134724390
Ironic, because your post is part of some collectively bad threads,

>>134724390
...but that's not what those things mean. What a failure OP

>>134724390
lol right? I really can't figure out these anti-communist nazis on this board.

>implying it isn't all about gassing Jews

>>134724476
>Report these threads
God forbid we actually have political discussion on /pol/

>>134724652
>AnCap
>Political discussion
Pick one

>>134724390
You're clearly shitposting, but I agree. Muh not real socialists.

>>134724390
Collectivism is necessary to an extent when dealing with outside threats, but it shouldn't be taken too far. More often then not it just leads to totalitarianism.

>>134724390
You need a coercive entity such as the state to handle externalities.

>>134724476
>>134724812
are you retarded?

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>>134724812
yes yes, good goy, trample upon the individual

>>134724390
23

>>134724390
Strawman argument.

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>>134724390
Never.

>>134724390
I was never a socialist but when I was 14 I was an open borders free marketeer cucklet

>>134724390
individualism leads to degeneracy

>>134724390
Yea I never got the whole NatSoc aren't Commies thing. It's pretty much the same thing.

>>134724390
Individualists are shit.
Collectivists are shit.

True ubermensch embrace the third option. --Hierarchical libertarianism.

>>134725685
They think it'll work if all citizens are the same race, naively assuming it won't just give birth to a trend of white welfare leeches who contribute nothing to their society.
>inb4 we just kill everyone who's unable or refuses to work

>>134724390
Oh okay is the ancap flag the universal
>I AM A NEWFAG FROM /leftypol/ RAIDING U
sign now?

>>134726115
>Baww if people don't agree with my retarded ideology it means they're new
>>>/stormfront/

>>134724390
National SOCIALISM has SOCIALISM in the fucking name its not right wing

>>134726111
Individualism in humans is the equivalent of collectivism in badgers. Way to go full reddit retard.

>>134726490
Socialism is not the same as marxism you dullard.

The race is basically an extended family so nothing wrong with helping each other out and pooling your resources

I never grew into it in the first place

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>>134724390
>Horseshoe theory

>>134726648
People I've never met or have no contact with aren't my family.

>>134724390
Like 6 or 7. My hatred of leftists is about as instinctual as breathing

>>134726971
Sure they are.

You can go through life denying reality, or you can just accept it act accordingly.
You've bought into a jewish lie. Your blood is your family. You can't change it.

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>>134726793

>>134724390
Fascism isn't collecitivist, nor does it endorse the central planning of the economy.

>>134725937
This.

>>134727187
I don't care if you're the same race as me, I still think you're a piece of shit and I don't want to help you.

>>134727449
You don't have to help your family if you don't want to.
But ultimately if your hurting your family, you're hurting yourself in the long run.

>>134727718
>refusing to pay Boogie2988's healthcare is going to somehow negatively impact me in the long run
funny meme

>>134726490
I assume you also believe that the DRC and DPRK are democracies, yes?

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>>134725685
>>134724390
"As a National Socialist, how would you define the difference between a National Socialist and a Communist?"
http://americannaziparty.com/news/archives.php/%3CFORM%20ENCTYPE=?report_date=2011-06-09
http://archive.is/ome51

The Differences Between Socialism and National Socialism
http://differencebetween.net/miscellaneous/the-differences-between-socialism-and-national-socialism/
http://archive.is/80pgh

How National Socialism is Different from Marxist Socialism
http://archive.is/7CUMq

National Socialism and Communism
http://aryanism.net/politics/national-socialism-and-communism/
http://archive.is/qMVAj

>>134727718
You do know that societies have frequently used conceptualizations of family which are not dependent on blood right? You might have heard of one of them it's called THE ROMAN EMPIRE! Considering their fucking golden age was accredited to the existence of a non-hereditary dynasty and actual blood dynasties exterminating themselves with constant feuding is a reoccurring trend in history; your assertions are laughable to say the least. Or were the Carolingians just not "family" enough for you?

>>134725613
Cool opinion bro.

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>DUDE NO GOVERNMENT LMAO
>nothing works and society regresses back to pre-Roman times

why are ancaps retarded?

>>134724390
Stalin was against eugenics tho

>>134724390
the moment i was born as an american

where are you gunna grow out of the childish dreams of anarchy? Humans are not fundamentally good. anarchic systems are based on that false assumption.

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>>134729873
>http://americannaziparty.com
>http://aryanism.net
How do I tell you this...

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>>134729873
I have a slight feeling that your sources may not be completely unbiased

>being this much of an egotist that you cant realize that individuals are nothing more than data points on the demographic bell-curve
The entire concept of big data is currently shitting all over the concept of how super special the individual apparently is

>>134724390
In fact thats true. Only retards dont see it.

>>134731276
Well Poland can tell after being assraped by both

>>134731004
How much of a literal autist do you have to be to see people as statistics and probabilities rather than as people?

>>134725685
Eh, both agreed that the status quo must die a horrible fiery death but their notions of what to replace it with are so different it cannot be underscored enough. Stalinists wanted to nationalize quite literally everything, by force, until there was nothing left to nationalize at which point the state would, presumably, just stop existing thus allowing for true Communism to take its hold upon society. Or something. What comes after the world communist government has always been kinda fuzzy in Marxist-Leninist theory.
NatSocs on the other hand wanted to purge the "lesser races" from existence so that "Aryan" populations could settle Lebensraum; with this bringing about autarky and through some arcane means also ensuring moral purity because farming + good genes makes you a good person... or something.
The only thing these ideologies have in common are their confusing end goals and a highly authoritarian, not to mention genocidal, method of bringing them about.

>>134730716
>Humans are not fundamentally good. anarchic systems are based on that false assumption.
If anything that's an argument against statism. The government isn't a god, it's still people. Statism is essentially removing accountability from a single group of people, which allows them to do what they want to do. They can make up any bullshit law and say it's for the people regardless of how much it's against them. In an anarchic society (only ancap and mutualism; ancom doesn't have this) law is decided by everyone; not by a majority in (((democracy))). Polycentric law is better; if the state can't do simple things like produce food or cars, what makes you think it can handle the complexity of law?

>>134724390
Young, a year later I grew up from anarchy capitalism.

>>134731512
Most NatSocs don't literally want to eliminate other races, they just want them to live separately. Which, in the context of modern-day America, would still likely have to involve genocide. But you're right about them not really having an end goal other than some kind of perfect all-white Utopia; Jordan Peterson even called the alt-right ideology "incomplete". The main reason being that they can't even seem to be able to fucking decide who's white and who's not.

>>134731581
>the state can't do simple things like produce food or cars

The Stalinist USSR could actually do both of these things quite well. Sure it tended to underestimate how much of the former it actually needed (unless you think the Ukraine famine was deliberate in which case it was malicious, not stupid) but it still had an actual output. More importantly the USSR had a Tank production which was absolutely staggering. Not saying that Stalinism is a good idea or anything but the USSR disproves that the state cannot handle the production of goods. It just tends to miscalculate how much of said good is needed.

in grade school because I was the nerd who wanted good grades and got stuck in shitty groups for projects

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>>134732202
>The Stalinist USSR could actually do both of these things quite well.
Stopped reading right there.

>>134730992

>prove to me that there are distinctions between National Socialism and Communism, and don't use biased sources like National Socialists who understand their own ideology, use the perspective of an unbiased individual, like an uninformed redditor who makes garbage threads about topics he doesn't understand!

>>134724476
fpbp

>>134732202
>the state can't do simple things like produce food or cars

>The Stalinist USSR could actually do both of these things quite well.
>cars
The Trabant has a few words to say something about that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=No1-4GsQa-g

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>>134732405
>Hey anon here's the top 10 reasons why eating shit is totes rad, by the shiteater community of america

>>134731581
wow have you read the anti federalist papers? yeah decentralized government and a small federal government are fantastic. anarchy is just stupid.

>>134732638
Who said anything anything about """decentralized government""", dipshit?

>>134732636

>make thread with a stupid claim
>promptly get refuted
>start trying to shift attention away from your idiotic oversimplifications of nuanced issues and towards the no-no badfeels you get in your tummy when you see a swastika

>>134731996
I was just talking about the eradication of all non-Aryan races which existed within Lebensraum. This primary meant Jews and Slavs as no other group inhabited lands of sufficient quality and accessibility. I do agree that Nazi Germany would likely not have tried to exterminate Africa, India, etc, at least not without a major ideological shift, but Generalplan Ost was a significant goal and cannot be overlooked if we want to talk about the historical Nazism.

>>134732307
This is literally the best fucking argument against collectivism. Holy fuck, it's too real.

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>>134724390
>At what age did you grew up from (((colectivism)))?
Around the time I first tried ColecoVision.

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>>134732848
>>promptly get refuted
What's next? Proving how the jews are totally cool people, with papers from the local synagogue?

>>134733146

>What's next? Proving how the jews are totally cool people, with papers from the local synagogue?

No, next up is proving that Jews aren't Christians by looking at Jewish publications.

>>134733227
>proving that Jews aren't Christians
>by looking at Jewish publications.
It's not a hidden fact that those are two different religions

>>134733371

You are absolutely correct, and maybe, with a level of abstract thought that could be expected from someone with an IQ above 90 you might be able to conclude from your response why the premise of this thread is retarded.

>>134732759
who said your (((community))) is going to work together to form a common bond fuck face? What stop two tribes from going to war and slaughtering each other?

hows living like literal niggers going to solve our problems?

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>>134724390
collectivist group strategies always win over individualist ones.

the question is not if collectivist is better or worse. it is about where the sweet spot between collectivism and individual freedom is.

oh and of course ancap is cool if you just care about your selfish muuh freedom and don't give a shit about civisational development.

>>134732555
You seem to have misunderstood what I was trying to say. The USSR was a fucking nightmare to live under and goods produced by it continually had corners cut (I.E. were utter shit). That doesn't change that when it actually tried to produce large quantities of quality goods you are suddenly drowning in T-34s. I am not condoning that system but it disproves the notion that a state is inherently inept.

>>134724390
Around 15 when I realized that I had no moral right to decide how others should live their lives. Before that I was a self professed fascist and like most fascists I was simply an edgy teenager.

>>134733493
>Two things that claim to be different while they do the same thing = Two thing that claim to be different while doing different things
Bravo

>>134733509
Again, your "argument" rests on the false assumption that all people are inherently evil. Most people aren't criminals, and that wouldn't change under ancap.

>What stop two tribes from going to war and slaughtering each other?
How is this any different than what is currently happening with other nations?

>hows living like literal niggers going to solve our problems?
That's funny, because most African countries are dictatorships.

>>134724390
We'll grow out of it when degenerates are smart enough to make their own decisions.

>>134732636
Where would you expect to find information regarding the benefits of eating shit if not from the shiteater community? If their points are invalid it should be easy to demonstrate that. National socialism is the natural order of things, it's just what happens when a nation thinks practically. Eating shit is unnatural, I don't think you will ever convince me it's as great as you claim.

>>134724390
Communists did not practice eugenics, they taught that such a thing couldn't exist.

Controlling military, boarders, handling wlfair stopping riots and using propganda is the practice of literally all governments.

You might as well tell us both of them had flags and national anthems.

Terrible post.

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>>134731004
>mfw statisticians and clingers on continue exposing themselves as human garbage with brains the size of walnuts

>>134733777
they arent inherently evil but they are inherently territorial and will vie for resources and space. every single group of people that have every formed the mere semblance of a community has done so through out history. Its only when the nation state and federal governments by the people for the people were instated that the world began settling down.

>>WW1 and WW2
yes even then the world is more peaceful now than the ancient world precisely because we have nations binding people together.

>>134733603

He's not an ANCAP, he's laffypole false flagging, or even worse, a r*dditor. Anybody with enough of a grasp of the different modern political ideologies to actually be able to call themself an "ANCAP" would invariably be aware of the fascist's position on private property in comparison to the communist's, both in principle and in practice.

>>134733762

You have no idea what you are talking about. The fact that Volkswagen was and is a thing that exists as an example btfos your stupid claims. Of course we can go deeper, and consider the communist collectivisation of agricultural land, something that was strangely absent from Germany for a supposedly "communist" country in your infantile perspective on the world. What about real estate? Jews were disenfranchised but German citizens were about to participate in property investment, something truly unfathomable to the communist's mind. It was entirely permissible for an individual to accrue capital within the legal structure of Nazi Germany. There was nothing communistic about the regime.

>>134734314

>about to

able to*

>>134734219
>every single group of people that have every formed the mere semblance of a community has done so through out history.
Yes.

>Its only when the nation state and federal governments by the people for the people were instated that the world began settling down.
The abundance of resources is the reason why the world is more peaceful than in the ancient world. It is the same reason why in poor areas it is more violent.

>>134724390

21 or 22 I think.

>>134734219
>yes even then the world is more peaceful now than the ancient world precisely because we have nations binding people together.
Or maybe its because people have representation in their governments and high standards of living. Not much reason to vote in a leader who wants to draft you to fight in a war that you don't benefit from.

>>134724390
>NatSoc economy and Marxist economy are the same thing

spot the fucking retard

>>134734314
>Our dear leaders (all glory be to them) let us move among these very confined little rooms
>Both would immediately annihilate us if we were to step out
>But the rooms are different so they are totally not the same thing
Also
>baww people with different deologes come from other websites
I missed the day moot said this was to be a right wing hugbox. Care to share the screencap?

>>134734544

> It is the same reason why in poor areas it is more violent.

Poor homogeneous white communities in the USA have significantly lower crime rates than many richer neighborhoods. Kinship and community suppresses environmental pressures. Why do you think humans began to band together in tribes all those thousands of years ago?

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>>134734775
I missed the day where libertarians and ancaps were politically incorrect

everyone needs equal rights. Kike teaches 4 life

>>134724546
>I really can't figure out these anti-communist nazis on this board.

Read a book then.

>>134724476
FPBP.

>>134730260
>dey did it wrong in da pazt so we should keep doing it wrong!!

Go have half breed babies with a nigger that aren't accepted anywhere in the world. Enjoy reducing your offspring's IQ by half and getting home invaded in your old age by his nigger friends, you obtuse cunt.

>>134735063
>I missed the day where libertarians and ancaps were politically incorrect
Tell any politician we need less government to watch a kike scream in pain

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>>134734775

>but the rooms are different so they are totally not the same thing

Are you really so incapable of grasping any concepts without first simplifying them to this level of such unimaginable idiocy and absence of critical thinking? You are not perceptive, intelligent, informed or aware. Nothing you say in your life time will make somebody "really think." Pic related is you

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>>134735363
>implying that's politically incorrect
Comeback when your idealogy fits /pol/'s criteria of being politically incorrect. Go stand out on a street corner call the big government corrupt and say you need a smaller one.

You'll be clapped and celebrated as being uhh true Americum and a anti-racist since all people derserve the same freedoms.

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>>134735491
wake me up when you stop with your ad homs

>>134735633

Wake me up when you learn what private property is, and what commies want you to do with it.

>>134724390
>I am anti-Marxist reactionary
>I want to destroy private property
What? This is such a weak effort. Any authoritarianism is not equivalent, a state is a multi-faceted entity, retard.

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>>134735629
Where does it say /pol/ is exclusive for politically incorrect topics?
You really make up rules in your mind and get mad when people do not follow them?

>>134735817
The name of the board retard. let me just go some trains on /an/ then if it doesn't tell me not too

>>134735703
Both have a way to force the economy on their terms, commies by nationalization and nazis by denying permits if they didn't like what you did. Still on point with the OP

>>134736051
The board name is just a warning that the topics CAN get politically incorrect, not that we're politically incorrect 100% of the time. By your logic discussing anything about liberals wouldn't be allowed

>>134736192
lets go post anime on /pol then :)))

>>134736054

Ah so basically communism and national socialism are different in spirit and practice, but you made and used and extremely simplistic image for the sake of being misleading. Got it.

>>134725613
proof?

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>>134736357
Well, why not?
As long as it is a politically incorrect anime, it should be fine according to you.

>>134736371
>Both force you do their bidding
>For the same result
>But they slightly differ on how
>Therefore, completely different things
Horseshoe theory BTFO

>>134735328

>>What you think I said
>dey did it wrong in da pazt so we should keep doing it wrong!!

>>What I actually said
>Many societies had their golden age while operating on an adoptive conception of family and others regularly went to shit because blood relatives wouldn't stop feuding with each other. Based on this, maybe non-hereditary family has advantages to hereditary ones and said advantages should be capitalized upon where possible.

>>your response
>REEEEEEEEE! Muh purity! [baseless assertions about what my hypothetical child life will be like which seemingly assumes I intend to mate with the dumbest and most criminally predisposed black woman I can possibly find]

kek

>>134736517
lol no learn to read my posts retard

Lets post cataday threads on /pol/ then because cats are very slightly in the political sphere. Therefore cats are allowled 24/7 now

>>134733371
>Our Judeo-Christian Values™

>>134736613

>for the same result

You really should read up on the NKVD purges, the slave labor camps (which began under Lenin) and the mass starvation that occurred after the land was collectivized. If communism and Facism were truly the same and reached the same result, there would've been a massive famine in Germany and Italy long before the war started. Of course, your obstinate refusal to learn anything from history would have to be done away with before you can come to the profound realization that everyone else in the observable universe arrived at almost a century ago. Communism and national socialism are completely different in principle, in practice, in purpose and in spirit no matter how much excessive reductionist thinking (because your mind seems to only be able to grapple with drastically reduced concepts, rather than concepts themselves) will change this.

>>134734544
>>134734785
>comparing niggers to humans

yeah ok dude. so how many resources are in your area? Since you know theres this yuge abundance.

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The only time anyone will ever "grow out" of collectivism is when they're the only person and they're in the middle of the wilderness with no chance of seeing civilization again. They tend to starve to death shortly after, but hey, they get to be an "individual"!

You're not an island. We know where you live. You need us to live. The government exists to prevent anyone stronger than you from picking you up by your ankles and shaking all of those gold coins out of you. The moment it's gone, you'll see what happens to a little idiot who thinks he can have his own kingdom without a bigger power subsidizing it.
>W-well I have guns!
So do we, and we have numbers. I'd like to see how well you'll stand your ground against roaming gangs in ancaptopia.

This is a prison, and all you gotta do to not get your ass raped is pay your respects to Uncle Sam.

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>>134724390
I NEVER DID
READ A BOOK FAGGOTS