Marble helped scholars whitewash ancient history

>>134721001
Archived that for you
>https://news vice com/story/marble-helped-scholars-whitewash-ancient-history
https://archive.is/MeEXw
>https://youtu be/86PD8o6xe_4
https://hooktube.com/86PD8o6xe_4

>>134721001
We've all heard this.
Make more relevant threads with real input next time.

whoever said Greeks or Italians were white?

>>134721001
>So why are these statues always presented in bare marble?

Because it's marble?

>>134721001
WE

>>134721839
then why not coloring it??

>>134721001
Vice is not a legitimate source of news.

>>134721001
>>134721034
Do this yourself next time, faggot. Stop making the nord do it for you.

Is there really any evidence the statutes were painted? I read some article saying it was so, but it seems so convenient for their narrative. And the status look so good with no paint, the actual form would be harder to distinguish if it were painted.

>>134721001
>(((((SARAH BOND))))))

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>>134721001
>(((Sarah Bond)))
we've had the same thread about this fucking kike 10 times already this month. stop posting it you nigger.

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one more picture of ((((sarah bond))))

remember, every time it is a kike
e v e r y t i m e

>>134721001
>be a literal who
>decide you want to be famous and get in on that sjw think tank cash money
>find something dumb to Critical Theory™, doesn't need to make sense
>get famous on the Pyramid Scheme Journalism websites
>autists on 4chan complain about it for months
>profit while still hating capitalism

>>134721001
Also in 2011 Sara Bond wrote a NYT article about not changing history.

>>134721001
The opposite is true, Pharaohs were white, so was Jesus.

>>134722041
Because we don't know how it was originally colored.

Do you want a remake of that fucking Ecce Homo resoration, or do you want to just suck it up and see white marble?

The statues used to be colored but the paint came off over time.

>>134721001
White marble was the material because it's beautiful.

>>134722718

That is a fucking dude btw

>>134721001
Damn, marble covering those obvious ebonic facial traits of ancient statues and shiet!

>>134721034
are you always on?

>>134721001
It's honestly pretty interested to see that ancient Rome was a successful multiethnic state. It creates a pretty inspiring precedent for the present, don't you think? We should learn from their successes.

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>>134721001
I majored in classics at college, everyone fucking knows that those statues were painted. People have known this for hundreds of year. Good job on Vice getting woke about something that everyone with even a passing knowledge of ancient art should have already known.

Consider the following, this is a replic of Athena Parthenos located in Nashville, Tennessee. It's from the 1800s when Tennessee held their Centennial Exhibition and inside of a replica of the Parthenon. Notice, she is painted.

>>134723657
Most of the time

>>134723998
so originally the statue was painted? then who uncolor the statue?

What other fucking stone should sculptors work with? You think that black onyx is going to be easy to make a statue out of?
Nothing to do with color and everything to do with access and how easy the material is to work with.
Also Europe was white.

>>134721001
The whitest of marble will not make a nigger nose look like a white man

(((>>134723978)))

>>134722989
They can detect how they were colored now.

>>134724234
It faded with time

>>134724234
Time. Also notice the fact that she is blue eyed.

>>134724347
This. Their are whining at an non-issue.

>>134721001
I long for the day of the rope.

>>134724991
That was a trait of Athena that made her stand out.

>>134724752
They can unlock some of the color from paint particulates trapped in marble. But sometimes the color isn't entirely accurate. Augustus of Prima Porta was found underground so the paint was pretty much all gone. They got the overall color for certain bits but the shades are speculative.

It's very accurate. But not 100% sure.
Besides, I don't think we should be making changes to sculptures. Just put a picture in front of it to show how it originally looked.

>>134721001
"Italians aren't white"
-VICE News


MEDS ETERNALLY BTFO HAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>134725349
This. You don't fuck with art you didn't create.

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>>134721001

Without pigment, you totally can't tell that this guy is african.

- VICE

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>>134721001
Totally whitewashed
That's why when modern scientific methods are used to reconstruct the original colors it becomes clear that the romans were very dark and looked nothing like white people
https://moco-choco.com/2014/04/18/true-colors-of-ancient-greek-and-roman-statues/

>>134723998
She's gilded not painted

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>>134721001

>>134722875
>Jew
>white
what

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also, lol

>>134723998

It's not your fault that - taken as a whole - the United States places little to no value on literature, the arts, history, philosophy, etc., despite any of its citizens successes in these areas.

>>134723998
Also this statue was started in 1982, not 1800s.

>>134722022
WUZ

>>134722286
>Is there really any evidence the statutes were painted?
Not really.

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>>134721001
>>134725658
fucking puke. These designs and colors.

Yep, they were "Greek" alright.

>>134725735
So SJWS caught up with Dragon Ball now? I bet none of these people watched Dragon Ball or Dragon Ball Z

>>134721001
lol this is pure lunacy. Also tells me they've abandoned the, "all civilizations are equal", routine that's been floundering the past few decades.

>Guys, nobody is buying the equality narrative
>Then everyone has to share the good part of the world!

>>134722286
>>134725974
>Is there really any evidence the statutes were painted?
Yes, for the most part the paint left behind traces. Lead based paint stays a long time. The issue is that most of sculptures weren't kept in perfect condition. Augustus of Prima Porta was underground for example.
A lot of Roman statues were originally copies of bronze statues. And because of that the sculptor might have taken liberty with the coloring.

>>134725658
Huh? They literally all look white except for a bronzed one

>>134725954
SPACE MONSTERS

>>134724180
get a gf and save your people. We all appreciate the work you do for the board, but real life action > internet action

>Europe was always Arab and Black

>>134724752
((((they)))) have developed so many great methods for determining the ethnicity of ancients

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>>134726135
nah she doesn't even watch it

like SJWs with comics

>>134726613
Somebody should tell them theres a female super saiyan with green hair and big muscles, just like feminazis love it... and also that the smartest person on earth is a blue haired woman

"Whitewash" is a really cheap form of paint that actually colours things white.
What's happened to the statues is regular old fucking washing.

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>>134723514
This. Look at their eyes, lips, jawlines, cheeks, noses, brows, hair and hairlines etc. Do they look like jigaboos? Not at all.

My degree is in Classics and dirty kikes like this one are shitting up the discipline. In one of the articles she complained that Classics are too white and need more diversity and to appeal to people of color. Why does everything have to be dumbed down to cater to niggers? Most of the people in my classes back in uni were lazy and moronic whites. Standards of education had already fallen. Do we really need to drop them further in the name of Diversity - leftists' God?

>>134724634
Lol

>>134726728
Also the femBroly one is a lesbian, apparently

non whites beleive thier silly racist shit

and government academic fuels thier mental disease

blacks were farm equipment and jews were conniving thieves who got extermainted every few years

nothign has changed

There are Italaian boosk shows in histy of kings of Italy jews were run outa town on pain of extermination every 10 yaers or so

they would come back and start jewing

then king would say enuf
all fo you out by dawn or we massacre you all
repeat for 100s years

go to any old building from the 1700's/1800's or any grand warship from that time and you'll find the ceilings are quite low and the door frames are small. that's because people weren't taller than 5' back then. point being people looked different in the past, and the statues constructed are only the hopeful images and wishful thinking of how they wanted to be seen and 'remembered' in the future.

I don't think anyone has ever really looked as immaculate as a sculpture of themselves presents them to be. this article is more irrelevant liberal garbage.

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>>134721001
> (((Bond)))
Another Jew abusing classics for their own purposes much like Donna (((Zuckerberg))) (Mark Zuckerberg's sister).

What is this argument? That they deliberately did not repaint sculptures for some white supremacist agenda?

When they use the word "whitewash" they are making a racially charged accusation of conspiracy... Manipulative high society Jews.

>>134721001
i would say as a group of people who totally dependent on fire for in internal light source would probably have a fucking tan

>>134721001
>when in fact historians believe he probably had a much darker, Mediterranean skin tone
so greeks aren't white?

>>134723978
why isn't israel multiethnic?

>>134727272
>people were shorter than 5'
Women and children sure, the average man in the 1700s was 5.5', men from the Middle Ages were actually taller on average.

>>134725540
>>134725540
>>134725349
>Besides, I don't think we should be making changes to sculptures.
They restore paintings all the time
how would this be any different?

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>>134723998
The Nashville Athena is actually a replica based on description while one of the best surviving Athenas look like pic related (Athéna Varvakeion). But even pic related is a Roman copy of a Greek original. There's only one surviving original of Athena and it's a miniature. A lot of Brinkmann's replicas are Roman copies but the Korai and Bronzes are most definitely by Greek sculptors.

>>134725974
Some of them less then others

>>134726094
That's a Scythian, not a Greek. And yes the colors are disgusting and completely ruin my opinion of some of the sculptures.

>>134727615
>how would this be any different?
Restoration work is a contentious issue, actually. And in the case of restoring art work you know exactly what color and how it was done. Because it's still there it's just beat up a little.

When recovering the lost paint from the marble shades are not 100% assured. You know it'll be red but not which red, for example. You don't know if it's supposed to be matte or glossed.
If you only find paint in certain parts of the statue, can you assume the rest of it is supposed to be that color?

>>134722041
>Why not paint this 2200 year old bust of Socrates?

When will we nuke Britain?

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Just found a bronze statue of the emperor hadrian. Look how brown he is!

He looks just like an ethiopian!

Totally never would have noticed if that statue had been made of marble instead!

KANGZZZZZ!!

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>>134721001
...THEY WERE PAINTED WHITE(mostly)!

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/true-colors-17888/

https://io9.gizmodo.com/5616498/ultraviolet-light-reveals-how-ancient-greek-statues-really-looked

There is a way around this dilemma. The colors may fade over time, but the original materials – plant and animal-derived pigments, crushed stones or shells – still look the same today as they did thousands of years ago. This can also be discovered using light.

Infrared and X-ray spectroscopy can help researchers understand what the paints are made of, and how they looked all that time ago. Spectroscopy relies on the fact that atoms are picky when it comes to what kind of incoming energy they absorb. Certain materials will only accept certain wavelengths of light. Everything else they reflect. Spectroscopes send out a variety of wavelengths, like scouts into a foreign land. Inevitably, a few of these scouts do not come back. By noting which wavelengths are absorbed, scientists can determine what materials the substance is made of. Infrared helps determine organic compounds. X-rays, because of their higher energy level, don't stop for anything less than the heavier elements, like rocks and minerals. Together, researchers can determine approximately what color a millennia-old statue was painted.

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>>134721001
>>134728353

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>>134728353

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>>134728491

>>134721001
WE WUZ SEIZURES N SHEIT

>>134721001

If ancients wanted darker looking statues they would have used darker materials.

White has always been considered better.

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>>134721001
never forget, italians aren't white, that's just a marble misconception

>>134728491
Alexander Sarcophagus

>>134725735
>Saiyans
Freiza did NOTHING wrong.

>>134722041

Because they probably couldn't?

And white/fair is always seen as better when it comes to humans, so depicting themselves as such would be ideal.

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>>134726872
>>134726094
I like the colors.
>>134725658
see
>>134728353


>>134726291
He's joking.

>>134722041
They were painted originally(white). 19th century museum displayers liked the look of bare marble and scrubbed the old paint off.
>>134728353

>>134722041
maybe because they liked the way it looked?

>>134721001
>why the fuck is this a thing nowadays.
I had a bunch of fags at uni talking about how all the Marble and statues in greece and rome "were painted" wich was fucking common sense coming out of AP history in fucking highschool, but then they go on to say that its "white" people erasing "colored" history and how its all connected.

tried to chime in with, how about if its just us leaving them how it is because we dont know the original fucking colors? who are we to fuck with history.
another teacher tried to push how "alot of vikings had muslim roots because they all carried muslim jewellery or clothes"

oh yeah because they didnt fucking invade the medeteranian or fuck shit up with the varangian guard.

>>134723978
You do realize Rome ruled by fear and distraction right? If the bread and games didn't distract the nonromanized people then the legions made sure they behaved.

>>134721001
They used marble because it had the consistency to be carved into beautiful details forms. A completely unique stone.

Fuck these people. Fuck Vice. Fuck fuck fuck.

>>134722041
well i'd assume that trying to remaster a ancient priceless piece of art is probably not looked highly upon

>>134729237
Vikings made trips down the Dnieper into Constantinople to trade their amber for all kinds of shit. They would buy Damascus steel and arab goods.

>>134729335
This, all the educated movers and shakers were Greeks or educated in Greece. Everyone else was a pleb serf.

>>134729511
yeah, thats what i ment, someone published some article about how some viking woman was buried with a muslim ring, so therefore they was muslims n shiet.
even though one of many things could have happened.

>>134728671
>>134728864
>>134729071
Not even these details. Marble is special. It's versatile and allowed for wonderful forms to be carved. Marble is hard yet soft. It has a unique consistency.

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>>134721001
>Julius Caesar, for example, is generallydepicted as a white man, when in fact historians believe he probably had a much darker, Mediterranean skin tone.So why are these statues always presented in bare marble?
Except the reconstructions of Julius Caesar's bust (conducted by analyzing the remnants of paint with ultraviolet light) depict him as a white man. Mediterranean skin tone darkened substantially in the 7th through 19th centuries. I'll let you guess why.

And while yes, the original idea that the Greeks made bare white statues, it was perpetuated not because of racism, but because of the actual beauty. The sculptors of the Rennaisance in the 14th and 15th centuries created white marble statues- not only were they likely significantly darker then antique carvers, but they did this before the "social construct" of race even existed.

The reason it was done was because the white allows contours and shadows to stand out.

>>134721034

Fuck this is a real person? I thought it was a bot

>>134730199
ofc

>>134729981
The reason that was done is because what's restored is the base primer coat and the additional details were not preserved over the ages.

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>>134729981
>Except the reconstructions of Julius Caesar's bust
I don't think they've done one. Your pic is of Augustus Caesar.
They probably both had a similar skin tone to Caligula. That is, tanned med.

>>134729981
>Mediterranean skin tone darkened substantially
No, the 'Mediterranean skin tone' was always there in it's same magnitude.

>>134721001
I suppose facial features were also whitewashed u dumb faggot

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>>134721034

>>134725954
KANGZ

>>134729981
>Mediterranean skin tone darkened substantially in the 7th through 19th centuries.
Source please

>>134730686
haha one of the first things you find when you jewgle image for Mediterranean people is some butthurt faggot crying about how Anglo-Saxons portray meds.

>>134731145
?

>>134730686
>>134731020
Muslim invasion, rape and enslavement by Arabs for centuries. Same as Spain and Portugal and lots of Eastern Europe. The images always posted of brown Greeks are a good example of what they did not look like 2000 years ago.

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>>134721001
>because marble only comes in white
Seriously, where the hell did this idiot did her studies?

>>134731381
They won't admit that because they are intellectual niggers trying to we wuz because they crawled into the husk of greater people like most niggers try to do.

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>>134721001
Scipio was blackwashed. I demand compensation for this grave and ancient historical injustice against my entire race.
REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>134731607
I like to think they forgot, or the connection between these two things was never established.

>>134722286
Yes and the evidence shows they were painted white. These people are flat out lying.

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>>134731381
>rape and enslavement by Arabs for centuries
Proof of 'Arab' mass rape? Send any studies genetic or historical my way by all means.
>The images always posted of brown Greeks are a good example of what they did not look like 2000 years ago.
Yeah you guys literally post gypsies and Turks. In another thread somebody literally googled Greek people and uploaded an image of Turks from a protest in Turkey, that's how mentally retarded some of you are. Meanwhile >>134728914 still doesn't understand that Scythians were neither Greek or Italic.

Anyways, what would you call these Samnite warriors (4th century BC) from Paestum, Italy.

(They're indo-European btw, so choose your words wisely)

>>134731866
>what would you call these Samnite warriors
In the sense of their skin color? Hard to say when all you have is an engraving and some paint. You need something to compare them again like in Egyptian paintings.
>(They're indo-European btw, so choose your words wisely)
God I hope you're joking, but I know that you are not.

>>134731381
I asked for a source, not your fantasy. Actual proof

>>134731607
>they are intellectual niggers trying to we wuz
Lol wut. That's exactly what you're trying to do with this baseless "nordification" of ancient Greece and Rome. Care to prove these claims?

>>134732279
Who said they were nordic? I just said they weren't sand niggers.

>>134732279
>I asked for a source, not your fantasy. Actual proof
You want proof that Arabs invaded Italy in the 7th century and occupied it for an appreciable amount of time? I am not sure what you are denying exactly so I do not know what to show.

>>134732240
You didn't answer the question. I don't find anything wrong with the paintings, if they all had red hair and baby powder white skin you would immediately say Nordic or what not.

And no I'm not joking about them being indo-European. What would you call them? Be honest, and don't deflect.

>>134732355
Yeah your average Italian is definitely not a typical sandnigger either. >

>134731607
No actually you're the only we wuzzing nigger here.

>>134732528
I think what I said before satisfies the questions you are asking now. You are making baseless accusations and pretending not to understand my point. I do not appreciate this and I sincerely hope you don't think shouting "racist" contradicts me in any way.

>>134732528
>if they all had red hair and baby powder white skin you would immediately say Nordic or what not.
I would just say that they obviously weren't sand niggers. We don't have to go into your nordic stormfag fantasy that you shitskins have for some reason.

>>134721001
Can we start gassing them yet.

>>134726728
Bulma isn't as smart as her father.

>>134732355
And Greeks and Italians aren't sand niggers now, what's your point

>>134732470
I want proof of you claim, that there is significant genetic differences between Romans Empire and Romans of today. You seemed so certain, I'm sure you have scientific studies that can back this up. Please post it

>>134721001
>people tan while living in the Mediterranean
who'd have guessed?

>>134732762
Who ever claimed that they were sand niggers though?

>>134732470
Yeah and Alexander's kingdom stretched all the way to India. I'm sure that automatically made the Persians and bactrians Greek too. Or am I wrong? You're saying that Arabs just came in and mass raped everyone and completely changed the demographics. You obviously don't know what the word "occupation" means as well (hint: it doesn't mean living or being inside something).

I guess when Russia occupied Crimea 3 years ago everybody magically turned into Russians.

>>134722286
Sculpture painters were just as highly regarded as the sculpters themselves; it took an extreme amount of skill.

>>134721034
The archive is incomplete.
Fuck I guess Vice actually did wage war with the archivers.

>>134733389
Nvm im dumb the archive worked fine

>>134732935
I do not really understand the question. I gave a number of examples where no one would deny it, and you are asking for proof that Southern Italy and Sicily were raped by invaders that occupied them for 600 years?

You are asking for very strange evidence which does not address the identical issue in Bulgaria, Portugal, Greece, etc. I am making a comparison between the Ottoman invasion of these areas with the Ottoman invasion of Italy. I do not understand where the denial even comes from.

>>134733161
Here is a good example of what I am understanding from you:
>when Russia occupied Crimea 3 years ago everybody magically turned into Russians
3 years vs. 600 years. How am I supposed to interpret this other than you fundamentally not understanding my claim?

>>134721001
The fact the West is entertaining these marxist cunts is enough proof that we are doomed to destruction.

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Paint does not change the facial features

>>134732744
Are you fucking stupid, I clearly only asked you what you would classify those knights. If what you were thinking was Arab then no, they are clearly indo-European. If you were thinking "Med or even Middle Eastern" then I would easily agree but they are still inguistically European.

And yeah, like I care if an emperor had red hair. You'll still find red hair in both Italy and Greece, it's not like every 3rd person is going to have it.

My problem is you guys pretend that "oh the Arabs and the Turks came in and made them all darker skinned" "before then, Italy and Greece were homogeneous societies, everybody looked exactly like Augustus". Meanwhile I post an image and simply ask you what they look like and you're speechless.

Not a shitskin though, I'm almost 100% sure I'm whiter than you but I'll defend a "shitskin" if it means having some larping channer have his wewuz dreams crushed.

>>134731381
Muslims invaded after the Germanic invasions.
Rome got bleached, then blacked.
So Meds today should be around where they were before the double invasions.
I.e., Meds today look like classical Meds.

Always trying to find reasons why Europeans weren't as great as we believe and niggers / mudskins were much greater than we believe.

>>134733502
How the fuck do you not understand what I'm asking for? I want actual evidence that Arab DNA was raped into Romans so much so that they are considerably darker now than in their Empire days. A verifiable source to back up your claim. How much more clear do I need to be?

>>134721001
>statues were painted, THEREFORE they MUST have been depicting black people, because forensic archaeology and anthropology contradict my new politics

>>134732744
No, I don't care if you say stupid garbage like "you're a shitskin", literally couldn't care less. Someone said that the med complexion was brought in from "Arabs" when it clearly wasn't.

Also no, the only foreign genetic contribution in Italy is from actual snowniggers. No idiot is claiming that Arabs didn't leave something behind, you guys over-exxagerate it though and when someone proves you wrong you call them delusional "shitskins" and find cherry pick images off google to help paint your insecure image that Italians all look like Al-Shabeeb from Tunisia.

Sorry >>134734031 was meant for >>134732762 mostly

>>134734031
Rome got overrun with barbarians and Egypt became niggerfied. It's not so unreasonable thinking the demographics may have changed, wouldn't be the first time. Still need a solid basis for it, but it's not as if it's unusual for something like that to happen over a few millennia.

The vice article is blatant lies. Some statues were painted but they were painted like white people with fair hair eyes and skin. That is what forensic archaeologists found out.

>>134734031
>knights
Only one is on a horse.
>If what you were thinking was
If
>like I care if an emperor had red hair
I did not even say this, you did. Why do you repeat it so incessantly?
>you guys pretend that "oh the Arabs and the Turks came in"
You are denying the Muslim conquests of half of Europe?
>and made them all darker skinned
Made some of them darker skinned, or more accurately mixed or completely replaced the population in some areas.
>before then, Italy and Greece were homogeneous societies, everybody looked exactly like Augustus
No one said this. Your whole argument was against a strawman before, and repeating it more loudly does not make you more right.
>Meanwhile I post an image and simply ask you what they look like and you're speechless.
I said they looked ambiguous and that you could not really tell from a painting. I gave a VERY SPECIFIC EXAMPLE of Egyptian paintings where the skin colors changed considerably depending on who was being compared in each image. Your baseline ancient (Med) Egyptian could be anywhere from pale to dark brown, and while it tended towards darker later they always demonstrated the difference if an Arab or a negro was being depicted. Paintings are stylized, especially ones utilizing old and limited ingredients to try and display something like literal sun-tanned skin. Again, I thought I was pretty clear about it being ambiguous and I never claimed they were Arabs but YOU did not understand my example.
>I'm almost 100% sure I'm whiter than you
These arguments are stupid and complete deflections from mine. You have done nothing but sidestep the issue and demand evidence for things other than what I said, playing dumb when I provide a general model because "you just want everyone to be Swedish."

I am perfectly familiar with what Mediterraneans looked like and I am trying to defend the claim that dark-skinned foreigners entered and had a noticeable effect. The inverse of this is that prior there were no mixed Arabs.

>>134731647
B-but he was called Africanus so he must have been black...

>>134721001
delet

>>134733502
>600 years
In what fucking country, that's the equivalent to 6 gorillion.

Once you tell me of a country that's experienced 600 consecutive years of military occupation, find me a study that says those occupiers changed the genetic makeup.

>>134734805
What a guy, this one. Let me refer you to something you said earlier:
>Anyways, what would you call these Samnite warriors (4th century BC) from Paestum, Italy.

>(They're indo-European btw, so choose your words wisely)

>so choose your words wisely
You think I am retarded and you are not prepared to argue in good faith. In what universe does someone with a good argument and solid evidence say something like "choose your words wisely" as if I was about to be the victim of some trickery? You were going to say the same thing regardless of how I answered because you were not prepared for any sort of counter-argument.

>>134733161
>Yeah and Alexander's kingdom stretched all the way to India
Look at this filth. I specifically cited the Muslim conquests of Italy, not just Arabs being within the boundaries of the empire. Actual invaders on Italian soil, and your attempts to sidestep this indicate you are outright denying such an invasion took place. Either you do not know or you are lying, so there is no point in addressing your argument or trying to find a "study" for your to dissect when you are trying to rewrite history.

You could just look up "Islam in Italy" and get a million hits of the invasions and Islamic rule there. Yes, military occupation. Your only defense against this is insulting me and handwaving the whole thing.

>>134735265
>argue in good faith
This is what I have learned about non-whites and their brainwashed minions they are just incapable of it.

>>134734621
>You are denying the Muslim conquests of half of Europe?
I'm denying the fact that everybody in Italy and Greece got their skin darkened from that, which that other anon clearly stated.
>Made some of them darker skinned, or more accurately mixed or completely replaced the population in some areas.
Hmm were these replacements ever met with extermination? If they did mix so much then why are Northern Italians who only experienced Germanic invasio so phenotypically similar to central Italians and most southerners?
>before then, Italy and Greece were homogeneous societies, everybody looked exactly like Augustus
No I'm pretty sure this all started when the AnCap idiot said Italy was darkened through invasion, in which case, yes, he would be implying some unexaggerated version of that since I clearly just proved that dark skinned people have always been there (and in larger numbers as well).
>"you just want everyone to be Swedish."
Now you are starting to strawman me. If I see somebody with red hair, regardless if he has some wide nigger nose, I'm going to say he's anthropologically Nordid, even though it's not correct since an anthropological classification is multifaceted (facial structure, craniology, ears, nose, etc.) and not just dependent on hair colour.

It's still not my problem, my problem is that you guys are saying that Arabs left a significant genetic footprint in Italy.

In which case, prove it scientifically without defaulting to red haired emperors.

>>134731381
Ancient conquests weren't like the conquests of the Americas which was aided by diseases and mass deaths.
Invading forces against a well established and populated region could only supplant the elites and perhaps with enough time and effort supplant the native culture.

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>>134732948
Pic rel. with an ancient example (Mycenaeans) and a recent example of tan in Med.

>>134721001
>race is just skin color meme

ebin

>>134722638
holy fuck that nose

>>134731381
>Muslim invasion, rape and enslavement by Arabs for centuries

A few thousand Muslim pirates raiding the shores for two centuries doesn't change the demographics of an entire peninsula. By that logic the Lombard migrations of thousands from Sweden and the Norman conquest of Sicily turned everyone into Nords.

>>134735837
I guess the squats never spent hundreds of years killing each other into nothing before Europeans came along right?

>>134733502
Still waiting for that proof. Or are you sti;l trying to understand the question?

>>134736067
Squats?

>>134735708
>I'm denying the fact that everybody in Italy and Greece got their skin darkened from that
You actually denied that the invasion took place.
>Proof of 'Arab' mass rape?
>You obviously don't know what the word "occupation" means
>you guys pretend that "oh the Arabs and the Turks came in and made them all darker skinned"
>the only foreign genetic contribution in Italy is from actual snowniggers.
>tell me of a country that's experienced 600 consecutive years of military occupation
This is straight-up denial. You only changed your tone because I am being more aggressive.

>this all started when the AnCap idiot
Why are you getting anal about what someone selects as their flag? You have claimed repeatedly that I am using tired memes in my defense, even though I never said them. Your response was that I "basically said them" because I have a flag you dislike. There is a reason people assume you are a butthurt shitskin and it has to do with your autistic misunderstanding of abstract jokes and ideas.

>Now you are starting to strawman me.
It's in quotes because it was what you implied my argument was. I never indicated that I think Mediterraneans are ivory white Vikings, and yet you have repeatedly tried to ascribe it to me.

>>134721034
jesus christ every fucking thread

you've probably cost over 10,000 dollars in ad revenue gross by this point

>>134733502
Southern Italy was never occupied by Arabs.

>>134736160
>squats
The people that migrated to NA.

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>>134721034
archive nord at it again

>>134731381
>>134734181
In fact, we have an interesting case study.
Spaniards were invaded by North Africans (but also the Visigoths).
Greeks were invaded by the Turks (but also some slavic so bear that in mind).
Romans were invaded by Germans. The Vatican was a bastion of the west against Islam, so Italy was safe.
Can you tell the difference between Italians, Greeks, and Spaniards?
Yes, there are some subtle differences. However skin color is definitely very close, with Italians definitely being of a similar shade as Greeks and Spaniards. Ironically I would argue that the Spanish are the lightest skin/hair/eyes of the bunch.
Italians have a dark complexion, dark hair, dark skin. Yet they weren't invaded by the Muslims! Only Germans!
The truth is, invasions really don't affect the gene pool that much. They do affect it a little bit. However Italians of Ancient Rome were most certainly DARKER than the modern Italian with the Germanic influences. Albeit they are still probably very similar to how they were in the classical period (as are Greeks and Spaniards).

>>134735265
>You think I am retarded and you are not prepared to argue in good faith.
You were going to say Arab, don't lie. If I posted the same picture and said that they were arabic militants seiging Sicily in 800AD you would believe me without question I'm sure of it.

I don't think you're retarded though. I think the majority of this board is and you're just an anamoly. I just expect people on here to be mutually retarded so I say stuff that will trigger them. If you acknowledge that a 'mediterranean' type of people were already their and in great (major) numbers than I see no reason to argue with you.

I only argue (not really an argument since I'm just presenting facts) with low IQ retards that think otherwise because I enjoy watching their arab-rape fantasies crumble and i think it makes for good comedy. I hardly come to /pol/ for sincere discussion unless people know what they're talking about.

WE WUZ MIKALANGEELO AN SHEEIT

>>134736368
Took you that many posts to just admit you are a dumb faggot who thinks they are smarter than they are.

>>134721001
vice kikes are getting irritating, they funded by (((Soros))) or something?

>>134736260
I'm still not getting the example you're trying to cite.

In any case massive demographic changes requires all sorts of circumstances to occur beginning with the intentions of the invading force.

>>134721001
>Sarah E. Bond is an Assistant Professor in Classics at the University of Iowa. She is interested in late Roman history, epigraphy, late antique law, Roman topography and GIS, Digital Humanities, and the socio-legal experience of ancient marginal peoples.
>socio-legal experience of ancient marginal peoples

we've hit peak bourgeois intellectual navel gazing

>>134722041
I've read somewhere you loose the look that makes marble look like skin. Surprise, ancient civilisations didn't give a shit about race in art

>>134734573
Those barbarians where Germanic, you know

>>134736627
Exactly, that is why I believe they were African because Africans can't be racist.

>>134735708
Barbary pirates raided as far as Iceland not only Southern Europe

http://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofEngland/Barbary-Pirates-English-Slaves/

>>134721001

Revisionist jews trying to destroy white history thus whiteness thus white people.

I guarantee you Sarah Bond is a jew, prove me wrong.

>>134721034
>Thank you, you are a credit to this board.

>>134735837
The Muslim conquests around the Mediterranean usually involved setting up a permanent government. It does take a tremendous amount of time and effort to touch the lower class of natives, but the conquests were attempting to subvert the local cultures and demanded massive taxes, regular sacrifices of women to become sex slaves, giving up every firstborn son to slavery, etc.

These are Arabs we are talking about. You can even find the purposes of rape and slavery defined in their religious texts. They treat rape of infidels like a form of torture to terrify the public and convince them to submit to Allah. It is the religion of submission. The goal is world domination, and for the majority of Arabs that means ethnic domination of foreigners. They have extremely strict rules governing how a Muslim woman is allowed to dress to hide her body, and one of their most preferred terms for a non-believer is "whore." There are extremely sexual overtones to their rules governing invasion and occupation of non-believers. They are expected to rape foreigners and commit genocide whenever possible.

And forgetting all that, these were brown people entering Italy. What the fuck do you think they are going to do? Just remember what the Soviets did when invading Europe. Every woman, young or old or infant, was just a sex toy for the enjoyment of soldiers. Now the very distinct smile lines most commonly associated with Russia are common in Germany. Gee, I wonder why that could be?

>>134736368
>You were going to say Arab, don't lie.
You're just plain wrong. I already addressed this, even in my initial response in a much more polite way.

>>134721001
Ancient historian here. KANGZ would be even more mad if they saw the original colours that these statues were painted

>>134725456
My sides

this may sound crazy, but why dont they look at the people native to the area, that haven't been rapedby sand niggers, and actually see what color skin the marble statues would have had

>>134722989
>>134723045

Am I the only one who is confused why this is being brought up at all--it seems irrelevant.

The real story here is that a jewess wants whites erased from history because she's from a tribe of Phoenician kikes that have alway, always been envious of superior Greeks.

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>Italy got invaded by Germans after fall of Rome
>Sicily invaded by Arabs, held for 100 years
>Britons invade Southern Italy, held for 400 years

>NOT WHITE, ARAB RAPE EVERY DAY, HOT ARAB CUM DEEP IN ITALIAN PUSSY BRED NOT WHITE

>>134737210
Normans not Britons. Normans were domesticated vikangz

>>134721001
>Julius Caesar, for example, is generallydepicted as a white man, when in fact historians believe he probably had a much darker, Mediterranean skin tone
So left is arguing Italians aren't white.

Shouldn't /pol/ be happy about this?

>>134736942
>Ancient historian here. KANGZ would be even more mad if they saw the original colours that these statues were painted
why?

>>134737210
Sicily was occupied by Muslims for 40 years, that's it!
After which they were controlled by the Vikings (and other Scandinavian politics) for 100 years (2.5x as much bleaching as jihad, and we are talking the strong bleach too, blond hair blue eyed scandis),
then they were controlled by the French!

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>>134737351
do you think italians are white?

>>134737410
Actually correction, the Normans occupied france but were still Scandis like what this guy said>>134737334
The bleaching was even worse than we even imagined!

>>134737360
Because they are pure as driven snow. I was surprised when I saw how ancient Greeks and romans were all whitebois that could compete

>>134737481
not all of them are this dark though, and this is modern day Italians, in the past I'd imagine they were even lighter.

>>134736877
There's all sorts of studies that show the small genetic impact the Moorish invasions had even in the longest held regions of the Iberian peninsula in the south and west and practically none in the Italian peninsula.

>>134736877
Post proof for any of that or else it's just another one pols cuck fantasies

Also only a couple thousand children were born from soviet soldiers in Germany
A couple of thousand, concentrated in the east, out of a population of millions.
How does that make it a "common feature"?

>>134737481
That's an Semite/hemite/Indian not an italian

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>>134737680
she is actually mexican, i use her to troll sometimes though

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>>134737481
Try again faggot

>>134737210
One drop

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>>134737829
i already said she was mexican

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>>134721001
It's almost as if they want you to believe black marble doesn't exist...

>shitskin detected.

>>134726478
This. They're going to use this as an excuse to paint the statues nonwhite. They're attempting to justify the erasure of European history.

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Just the usual, nigger-obsessed American.

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>>134738629
>sunibee

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Since many people here don't know the history, I'll lay it out as best I can. Following the fall of Rome, southern Italy was a clusterfuck of wars between the Lombards from Scania and the Greek Byzantines. The former Romans were now Italians, a conquered people. But the Lombards were not unified, and fought among one another as much as they did against external enemies. In the 700s Muslim pirates began raiding Sicily, then ruled by the Byzantines. The raids became attacks, and the invaders gained a foothold on the island in 827. At the same time Muslim raids were also launched against Sardinia, Corsica and the Italian coast from Pisa to the straits of Messina. Some treacherous Lombard princes began hiring the Muslim raiders as mercenaries in their struggles against other Lombard princes. Sensing the weakness of the Christians, the Muslim raids only grew more intense. Then in 846, the Vatican itself was raided. The gold of the saints was almost carted off, but a Lombard army arrived to give chase. Some Muslims escaped to their ships, but perished soon after in a storm.

One year later, the city of Bari was captured by Muslims. In 866 the Holy Roman Emperor Louis II marched south, at the request of the Pope, gathering Lombards, Italians and Byzantines alike to his banner for war against Bari. After many seasons of campaign the citadel of the city was captured in 871.

But back on Sicily, more and more of the island had been lost to the invaders.

>>134738629
>obsessed
This is almost like niggers saying insecure. It would make sense if niggers and non-whites behavior wasn't known.

>>134738492
Can you imagine Jews painting all the statues rainbows because ((lol?))

I hate Christians so much. You're not supposed to love your enemies. You're supposed to fucking kill them.

>>134738769
>Americans
>not onsessed with niggers
Daily Reminder: Americans literally think blacks are superhuman gods.

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2014/11/whites_see_blacks_as_superhuman_strength_speed_pain_tolerance_and_the_magical.html
http://www.npr.org/2014/11/30/367600003/examining-the-myth-of-the-superhuman-black-person

Note that other countries with a sizable black population like, say, France, Britain (because of colonies), Arabia, etc. don't have such weird notions.

So yeah, it's an American thing.

>>134738830
>Jews do bullshit
>Muslims do bullshit
>Reaction: "I hate Christians so much."
America/10.

>>134737210

Don't forget Sicily was Byzantine Greek clay for 500 years.

The Arab-Sicilian myth is made to discount the Greek speaking Sicilians that lived there.

>>134738986
>slate
haha good one

>we've gone from "these statues were originally painted" to "these models were originally black" in my lifetime

How 'bout that?

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>>134738766
By 900 almost all of Sicily was in the hands of the Muslims. The Greek Byzantines had fallen back to the mainland, to their key regions of Campania, Calabria and Apuglia. The Lombards duchies where divided and weak. Constant Muslim raids battered the shores. Anyone walking on the coast could be captured and sold in the Muslim slave markets. The weakest Lombard princes began collecting gold as payment for the Muslim raiders, to sate their appetite and make them go away.

Some men fought back. In 915 Pope John X led a force of Christians to destroy a camp of Muslim raiders attempting to threaten Rome. The victory was crucial, but the Christians were still on the defensive and disunited.

>>134738986
This shit is garbage but magic nigger myths exist everywhere. Its the same degenerates pushing it everywhere.

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>>134721001
I mean this was a thing that happened.
You already have fading and wear and tear especially considering they didn't have access to as many or as advanced pigments as we do today but beyond that there was a deliberate effort to remove paint. I wouldn't be surprised if there was some "whitewashing" aspect but I know about it more just as the "historians" of the past not thinking that the paint matched their aesthetic and ideal of what the classics should be so they scrubbed it off to fit their narrative.

The same thing happened with armour. When it was actually in use it was vulnerable to rust and environmental damage as much as battle damage so it was gilded with precious and non-corrosive metals like silver and platinum and gold or expensive tempering treatments if you had the money for all that but the rank and file who couldn't afford such luxuries used oil-based paint that has a similar moisture-protective effect. Not matching with their anachronistic ideal of the knight in shining armor "historians" scrubbed and polished away a lot of history.

>>134723998
>everyone fucking knows that those statues were painted
Maybe people who study any related fields but plenty of people don't know and even some people in this thread express disbelief.

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>>134721001

Well, it's kinda true. The Ancient greeks were not whtie, but Mediterranean. Yet we see /pol/ posting aesthetic Greek statues like they were Germanics or Vikings.
>>134721407

/pol/

Herro!

>>134739842
I thought /pol/ said they weren't white. You may be confusing it with modern and ancient groups tho.

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>>134721034
How much do you weigh, anon?

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>>134739934

How do you excuse all the Aesthetic, vaporwave pictures of ancient greek statues with white nationalistic messages?


That's like niggers posting pics of pharaohs and saying ''we waz kangs''.

>>134735869
wtf, that's a deep tan.

>>134721034
God bless you archive bot

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Suetonius says Caesar was pale but black eyed.
Augustus on the other hand had "hair inclining to golden" and light eyes but skin between dark and pale, and a unibrow.

>>134722041

Listen nigger.

Absolutely zero niggers held any important positions in roman

>>134740116
Expect one group actually has the achievements to back up the funny we wuz shit. I don't mean WN either I mean ALL Europeans.

>>134731381
Man, have you seen an arab? They are whiter than european meds.
Also, when you invade, you do so with a sword, not with your dick out. And women aren't in a hurry to raise your children.

>>134722638

Just look at that emotionally troubled bitch. I want to fucking kick her face in.

At this point in my life I look at people like this and can see right into them. Who they are at their core.

That fucking thing is not on the level. Not one fucking bit.

>>134740528
t. someone who has never seen an arab except himself in the mirror

>>134722286
>Is there really any evidence the statutes were painted? I

yes but probably not the whole bodies. they did highlight the hair and eyes.

>>134740341
Never let the nordcucks and the rest of the no chin cuckasians depict us as anything but glorious Mediterraneans brother!

>>134740568
I saw plenty of arabs when I was in Rome last year.
I could tell, because they were significantly whiter than the locals.

>>134722781

Not bad. A better punchline maybe, but not bad.

>>134740666
you are just trying to whitewash arabs so that we may forget you got raped by turks
it's ok anon

>>134740637
>Mediterraneans
So what are they genetically? Just their own group with no mixing?

>>134740116
Dumbest post ive ever seen.

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>>134721001
lol so what about bronze statues? Did they help scholars nigify history?
Fuck I hate Vice.

>>134740735
I am just documenting observable reality.
In addition, my post includes my opinion of war as a way to genetically change a population - it doesn't.

During Ottoman times neither were the muslims marrying christians en masse, nor were the christians trying to find turkish partners.
There was a very easy segregation, as almost always occurs.

This information would be entry level even in late 1800s, but its part of a wider trend of them going after the past. There's a big push to multiculturalise the past even when its not historical. People yearning for a white past like with Trump must have truly scared them

>>134740871
whatever you say turkarian

>>134740910
>i have no argument, so i will insult his ip address

I accept your surrender.

>>134721034
the anatomy tells you that the sculptor's subject were white. the skeletal structure of the sculpture's faces should be enough to tell this kike that the subjects were white.

>>134740949
>unfounded personal "opinions" with no basis in reality are considered an "argument" in turkaria
your turkish admixture is showing

>>134740970
*were mediterraneans

>>134721001
DAS RITE WHITEBOI

>>134741003
>unfounded personal "opinions" with no basis in reality

Observable reality. For a /pol/ poster, thus probably advocating segregation, you sure are easy to dismiss its even possible.

>>134741104
>Observable reality.
I get it. Cockroaches have a different perception of colors, my bad.

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>>134721001
Real history is being uncovered. White people days are over

>>134726378

Shut the fuck up. It all matters. You know what doesn't matter? Faggots who dole out discouraging shit like you.

He archives and our board doesn't drive traffic to our enemies websites.

Go fuck yourself with your "get a life bud" shitpost.

>>134741034
believe what you want spaghetti dick, the structure is white European

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>>134741225
>the structure is white European
thanks for the laugh
you know this thread is funny, snowchimps have been trying to whitewash mediterranean history for the last 150 years but you get all uppity when some irrelevant imbecile does the opposite

>>134741135
Mate's been in Rome last year. He saw a lot of shitskins. Dunno if Italians are white or no, but hell he said it was full of nig - nogs, arabs and poos.

>>134741307
I like how being anonymous still doesn't work when you can tell a nigger by the way he nigs. Prove you aren't some burnt nigger being a sad emotion driven creature.

>>134741450
I don't have to prove anything. I don't want anything to do with people who call themselves white, it includes trash like Americans.

>>134741403
>tfw i was in rome last year and told stories of all the little brown people

Do we know each other? Пeшo?

>>134728528
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>>134728413
>>134728353
>>134728914
>>134729981
>>134730640
So kawaii! :3

>>134739688
True. And the boring white statues is perfect to project an imagined perfect past to the future. The greeks didn't walk, they paced and so on...

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>>134739638
Italian fortunes changed in 999. A group of Norman knights was returning from a pilgrimage to Jerusalem. As they feasted with their Lombard host, they were surprised when a scout announced that Muslim raiders had come to collect tribute money. The Norman knights rushed to the coast and repelled the raiders. They then promised their Lombard host that they would go home and return one year hence with as many of their brethren as possible.

For the next four decades Norman knights fought as mercenaries for Lombard and Byzantine alike. Under the Byzantines a reconquest of Sicily was launched in 1040. A salient point was the moment the Norman knight William Iron Arm struck down the Emir of Syracuse in single combat. Dissension and insults between the Lombard mercenary captain and the Byzantine captain ended the campaign. On the Italian mainland the Normans attacked the Byzantines and carved out their own kingdoms in Southern Italy. Through war, these kingdoms grew to dominate the region.

In 1061 the Normans invaded Sicily. They entered Messina unopposed. City by city they pushed back the Muslims. In 1091, Sicily was liberated from Muslim rule.

73 years of defeat where the Byzantines were pushed back.
140 years of almost uncontested Muslim rule.
51 years of reconquest.
264 years in total.

Although Sicily had been occupied, the idea that the population had been replaced during that time seems dubious at best. And the Italian main has no genetic influence or evidence of Muslim presence.

>>134741403
I don't doubt it, but I live in Turin and I know how arabs look. Sometimes you get the ones who can pass as locals, that's about it.

>>134741527
Paдo.

>>134741617
Tцъ, нe cи мoя нeгъp.

>No one gave a fuck who she was
>until she claimed marble statues are racist

Is this what I need to do to gain notoriety? Say something retarded and get it published on a dude weed lmao fake news site?

Brb writing about black and white television made great black men like Charlie Chaplin seem white.

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>>134741225
>spaghetti dick

>>134741307
modern daay meatballs look more like jews than whites, so it seems your schnozes are growing.

>>134741647
A мaлкo зa тpeдa - тeзи кoитo cи видял cигypнo ca oт Ceвepнa Aфpикa - тaм ca cи бeли хopa. He мoжeш пoчти дa ги пoзнaeш oт cpeдизeмнoмopци. Aмa бaш apaбитe oт CA и Eмиpcтвaтa ca кaтo цигaни. И лицaтa им ca вce eднo ca cи eбaли пъpвитe бpaтoвчeди oт вpeмeтo нa Moхaмeд.

>>134739523
That's explicitely not Jesus, underage. How young are you?

>>134739652
>but magic nigger myths exist everywhere
Nope.

Only in the US.

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>>134741760
keep wewuzing white trash, your cultural negrification is showing

>>134741882
Anon im not from the us and i can tell you this shit exists outside the us. Filthy cucks are everywhere.

>>134730640

the senators Julius

>>134741844
E нe ги знaм oткъдe ca, aмa бяхa пo-бeли oт гъpци/итaлиaнци/бългapи, и cи гoвopeхa нa нeщo кoeтo зa мoeтo кaфиpcкo yхo звyчи кaтo apaбcки.
Te cи бяхa пo шopти и тeниcки, тa нe мoгa дa oпpeдeля дaли ca били бaш джихaдиcти, caмo пo eзикa и бpaдитe oтгaтвaм.

>И лицaтa им ca вce eднo ca cи eбaли пъpвитe бpaтoвчeди oт вpeмeтo нa Moхaмeд.
Гoлeм кeкc.
Пoнe eдин cъc cигypнocт пpиличaшe нa coмaлиeцa oт oня филм c aмepикaнcкия кopaб дeтo гo oтвличaт, caмo дeтo пo-бeл oт мeнe.

>>134741760
t. 56%

>>134728077
tbf, ethiopians are the whitest blacks on the planet. absolutely stellar bone structure.

that sounds like nigger talk to me

>>134741920
Who's closer to Africa?

>>134728077
At least post the black Scipio one.
>black statue
>guy is called Africanus

Wake up, sheeple!

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>>134742163
who imported slaves from africa en mass and made them president?

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>>134740168
>wtf, that's a deep tan.
too much Beach Volleyball

>>134742039
C кaфиpcкo или нeкaфиpcкo yхo apaбcкия мoжeш дa гo paзпoзнaeш. Ocoбeнo aкo ce вглeдaш oт хopaтa, кoитo гo гoвopят. Пaкитa, индийци и дpyгa пaплaч ce paзпoзнaвa.

>>134741863
Jesus was a Semite
Deus Cult!

>>134741557
The only way a population can be changed is if the locals are wiped out by some disaster and/or if the new population comes in extreme numbers. Otherwise the small invading force usually breeds into the local population and is barely distinguishable in only a few generations.

>>134721034
So do you spend 90% of your day archiving things

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>>134741760
Do you not know what a Roman nose is?

>>134742228
They actually took the least slaves compared to the other countries tho.

>>134742228
imported, now they just mate; we don't take many in. Europe imported and the annually imported dindus mate

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>>134742372
and they have become worse

>>134721001
>Implying race is only skin deep

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>>134742584
White crimes go deeper than any skin

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>>134742406
still, you took them, freed them, integrated them, made them into soldiers, police officers and presidents
so unless you guys are doing a comedy sketch, don't come talking about who is more negrified

>>134741307
>snowchimps
No we don't, only Americans do that.

>>134742679
I must have missed that vote.

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>>134741702
I'm really can't wrap my head around how leftists can simply turn their history over to niggers though.

It's honestly hard to know if I should be impressed with their ability to look beyond their bias and accept facts that paint them in a poor light or angry that they can toss it out without sufficient evidence.
On one hand, they could just be afflicted by white guilt which might a right-invention to hold on to their beliefs and on the other they could have a strong acceptance on fact-based evidence.

One disturbing fact is certain to me: If 100% irrefutable evidence came up that Romans and Greeks were all niggers, /pol/ would never accept it.

>>134742604
>le spicy sauce maymay
I hate how faggots have started pushing this shit here in Denmark

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>>134722286


it's is a trick,

they use an esoteric fact (that many classic marble statues were in fact, painted)

then distort/lie about it a la claims that they were not standard roman's being depicted, when in fact its obvious and a matter of fact the statues depict standard romans+greeks

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>>134742679
that pic is getting old
what is europe adopting?

>>134742697
although nordicism naturally took hold in the US with authors like Grant, it's conception was very much European

but yeah, nowadays it's mostly americans who do that

>>134742604
you niggers keep crying and itll only get worse,

>>134742870
the american model, quite literally

>>134723978
In fact it was so succesful that it collapsed over 200 years due to influx of migrants

>>134742788
I drink hot sauce like it is fruit juice I must be a nigger.

>>134742948
ditto

>>134724234

someone called father time dude... its paint it wears off.


interesting story,

there is a marble statue of venus in the prado in spain.

it has a stain on one of its thighs, the story goes that she was so beautiful some guy kept jerking it to her, accidentally made the stain.

>>134728413
Zuckerberg 2020?

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>>134734687
>An anon once told a story from his college class where the normie students saw the bust and actually thought that

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>>134721034
Thank archive nord

>>134721001
Niggers are scum, they have no culture or civilization so they try and steal Italian/Greek culture and the jews encourage them , so typical of modern society.

>>134722041
>oy vey, better blackface these ancient artworks

>>134721001
He's not entirely wrong though. The statues were painted, but over time the point would wash off.

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>>134721407
Found the jew

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>>134743109
>no culture
>no civilization
We had an empire when you was still in caves

>>134722875
Jesus was a kike, but I guess in 52% white America, that probably counts as white.

>>134742679
Possibly the greatest mistake America ever made.

>>134726135
Whoever posted that tweet hasn't caught up with shit and is just posting their brainfarts on twitter after digesting another's retarded tweet.

>>134731647
Just look at those big nigger lips.

>>134743319
I was laughing at the brutal detail they put into hairlines. I know he was older but fuck give the poor guy a break.

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>>134743199
>bait
black, current year

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>>134743426
black