TECH BURNOUT - I am become the BLACK PILL

>>134665417
What's so black pill about working in the tech industry? Is it poo in the loos ruining for everyone?

>>134665417
Unironically, do a Ted Kaczynski

For 12 years I've worked as an electronic engineer, and in my free time my hobbies have always revolved around electronics/CNC machines/computers. I've now got to the point I don't even use a computer at home and all my hobbies revolve around growing my garden, woodworking with basic tools, and camping.

Yep.

>>134665768
That's what I need to do more. I don't have a lot of space currently though.

>>134665728
FTR, I don't condone illegal or violent behaviour in any shape, or form. But, anon, you should reaaaaaally check uncle Ted's manifesto...

>>134665768
Seems to be common thread with men in general. Granted, I live in the south-lite (nc), so it's easier to pick up an outdoorsy hobby, but all the friends I have that are in their late twenties/early thirties have picked up these kind of hobbies

>>134665417
It's easy , make a job with complete automation. No diversity bullshit, no payroll, no headache except starting up and hiring people to fix broken shit.

>>134665417
I got burnt out after six years in networking and got out. Now I am much happier.

no one in the history of computer science has ever made anything that works right.
computers are trash, everything with a screen is trash.
no one has any idea how to make a good piece of tech.
as the future comes, shit is getting worse and worse. I blame Apple really. they got the meme of "less you can do with it, less buttons it has, the less control you have, the better!" rolling. soon everything will have one button, an on/off button, and be totally voice controlled. it will take 40 seconds to change a channel simply because voice renegotiation is trash and always will be. just like touch screens.
the days of just clicking a button on a remote, a remote that doesn't even need to be facing the thing it controls let alone the same room, are gone.

I can't wait to move to the deep woods and forget all these tedious bullshit. society was a mistake.

>>134665417
I was a web dev for years. Worked for mainly advertising agencies. In 2013 I just quit. I bought a van, moved into it, and did freelance for a bit as I drove around the country. Currently I am an apprentice for a cabinet/furniture maker. We do custom built-ins and one off pieces mostly. I make about 20% of my previous income as a developer, but I'm happy. I'm almost 40, btw.

I think the reason why we are being burnt out with technology is because it's becoming less and less sensational as it used to be. More and more people are "tech savvy" for whatever that means and less genuine improvements in our electronics has been made over the last few years. It's just been upgrade after upgrade. Nothing incredible has been made yet and that's the reason less and less people are interested. Even my PC game is sitting there collecting dust as I either grew out of it or shitty games have been made.

>>134665417
mangement, sales, starting a company. depends if you actually know a lot and can work with people or are the "ask google, apply fix" type.

a tech job is pretty comfy though bc you can work remote and don't have to deal with degenerate people in cities.

means to an end i guess

>>134665417
Semi-IT here. Quit in May. All I want to do is have a garden.

>>134665417
How to get an IT job ?

t. bachelor of IT and no internships

>>134666256
>More and more people are "tech savvy"

Google usually has all the answers anyway to any tech issue. No need to IT when you can just google your issue and solve the problem. I know a few IT guys and that's what they do as well.

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>>134665417
When you come into work and this is your new marketing team.

>>134666526
Have a pulse, make a complete Linkedin profile, add everyone you know, change your status thing to currently looking for a job, then start searching for IT recruiters and adding them. You'll be getting 10 cold contacts a day for positions in no time.

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All my adult life I've done IT jobs.
It's what I went to school for.
It's the only thing I've ever been trained for.
I have no other skills.
I wish I knew how to do other things.
I want to do something else, but I don't know what or how to even get started.
Every time I dwell on this I get very depressed.

>>134665681
basically tech industry people are
1. Absurdly INcompetent and tech illiterate
2. Semi-competent but brought down by number 1

Masters in CS... Worked for about 10 years. Eventually became obessesd with off the grid videos and the outdoors. Something about being locked up in an office under the flourescent tubes makes you yearn for nature and natural processes. Probobly why many of us pick gardening. After months of making my shell slightly transparent so I could watch you tube videos about the subject and pretend to program. I handed in fake timesheets, about fake bug fixes for more then a few years and no one noticed. I would intentionally break something and be the one who could find the magic fix. Eventually I felt bad for the company and simply quit. I grew weed for years and made money. Now I'm in a sales gig and its really great to talk to people and not deal with the computer all day.

>>134665417
>analog/organic
Lots of folks are. Look at the resurgence of vinyl and analog music. Look at how many folks are simply going into the trades to work with their hands. The new American Dream is the old American Dream, get a plot of land, some chickens, and grow your own food.

>>134666767

What is a cold contact ?

inb4 retard can't into a job or be a professional

They didn't teach me this shit in college and don't talk to anyone important in the IT field

I can relate to this thread though I still kind of like my job as an operations engineer. I hate silicon valley though so I often think about taking a demotion and working remotely and buying a house in Montana with some land and grow some food and raise some animals, maybe find a wife that isn't completely fucking pozzed but I dunno

>>134666784

Literally the opposite of this but parents want me to get a white collar job so here we are

>>134667246
Are you serious? If you dont know what this is off yourself. youre doomed

>>134667246

you sound retarded though. how does it feel to not being able to accomplish anything without someone holding your hand through the process geez...

>>134665417
Yeah, I have some kind of programming burnout from time to time.

>>134666784
see this --->>>134666250

The only prior carpentry experience I had was working for a trim carpenter over the summer once when I was in college. If you have the technical ability to code, you can learn a trade. Woodworking and to a greater extent Machining, is very technical. It's a series of demonstrable steps which in turn becomes a process. The tools we have today do not require skills, just the knowledge of what to use them for and when. I found my current job on a construction site where I was employed as a backout laborer. Basically I would clean up the place as the finish trades completed their tasks, basically a job for mexican women, lol. Now I work for one of the best cabinet makers in the country and get to learn everything he knows.

>>134667246
Cold contact is when they call you as a complete stranger out the blue trying to fit you in somewhere. It's honestly not that hard to get a tech job if you know how things work technically and can express your high level of interest in interviews. If you don't have any exp then work on pet projects and talk about those i interviews. I bragged about reaching a high level on the python challenge dot com, they didn't know what it was but when I talked about it it sounded good.

>>134667246
Once you have the required amount of connections to look legit (~100), a fully completed Linkedin profile, bullets on there matching your average IT job posting, and start adding recruiters (search "IT Recruiter" for the city you are looking for and just start spamming connect), you'll get recruiters constantly finding your profile and sending you cold contacts (unsolicited job postings) about postings they have been hired to fill. If it seems interesting you reply, and because recruiters make their money by finding people to fill positions, they want you to get a job offer so they'll push it to the front of HR to get you an interview.
There's a lot of bullshit to weed through because tech recruiters tend to not be great at matching skills to job postings, but if you do have the skills they can get you interviews extremely easy.
Compare this to just blindly submitting applications and you'll realize that you pretty much don't get interviews anymore for applying to jobs, you have to go through a recruiter who pushes your shit past HR to get an interview.

>>134667246
They did teach you this in college, you didn't listen because you're a fucking robot

>>134665417
I'm in the same boat. But I recognize that cultural marxism, censorship, etc. are perversions of technology, not its natural inclination.

>>134667533
Same here. I usually take a few weeks off periodically - seems to help.

>>134667683

No they fucking didn't you cunt. I was able to skip all the gen ed bullshit/required courses that indoctrinate you. And just had to take classes required for my majors.

>>134665417

I started with fountain pens. They relax me a great deal. I'm no artist, but with fountain pens I can work with my hands in analogue, and improve my handwriting with observable results.

>>134667837
>perversions of technology

Cool name for a band.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7VLgEhiBxA

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>>134665417
33 y/o here. veteran coast guard ops specialist. now i have a comfy job as a civilian working with the cg as a vessel traffic controller.
i'm always on /pol/ when it's break-time (30 min every 2 hours for 12 hour shifts - 2 days on 2 days off, then 3 days on 2 days off)
make lots of friends, stay fit, nice home, single father of a beautiful daughter, $400,000 home in fairfield ct with rich jewish neighbors.
I also work part time as a phlebotomist with the american red cross and volunteer for disaster relief here and abroad when i can.
life is peachy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLoukoBs8TE

Just do some bushcrafting as a hobby after work.

>>134666784
Now this Anon gets it.

I'm trying to pivot and reinvent. I hope you can too.

i know a guy who made bookoo money in computers in the 80s and 90s. he got sick of it which i guess is common and now is a landscape architect. he coulda been real hot shit in tech if he wanted.

>>134665417
>Any /pol/ anon here over 30, have a good career in IT and burnt out AF with technology?
literally me.. 34 software developer on a game company and i fucking hate it.. everytime i have to read or write code i just feel my life force slipping away..

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My plan is being blackpilled. I come on here and do CIA Nigger tier rants about whatever and I assume my life will end in violence. Probably started by me. If anyone even gets in my way for one second I will kill and eat them. I hate the human race, I hate you. I hate food, I don't even like food anymore. I drink one bottle of vodka per day and I have hepatitis C. I have sex all the time to spread it on purpose because apparently the only thing god did right was give me a big dong.

>>134665417
>

yep, computer engineering or IT or programming has become so complex it will suck every minute of your life and you will spend 10 hours a day on a chair staring at a minimum of 4 screens filled with microscopic text

it is all irrelevant shit to make the elon musks and steve jobs richer while your life is flushed down the toilet

yes. i work in a network ops center for an ISP so i'm on a computer all day (like most of you i'm sure)

i come home, and i'm on another computer.

in between i have my phone.

i don't even use social media so that's a relief but jesus wtf has become of us?

>>134668695
The overall quality of food in general has deteriorated greatly. You should be upset.

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>>134668238
Yeah I've been trying to supplement with volunteer work also.

Love Hope Strength Foundation find bone marrow matches. All our concerts have really redpilled the fuck out of me.

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>>134665417
I've only been in tech for maybe 6 years, but I've been having burnout while also watching it around me.

One job, there was a dev who would work basically non-stop. He didn't have to, but he felt like he was the one driving the company, like he had something to prove. He would inject himself into as much higher-up operation as he could. His plan was to become a CTO, nevermind the fact that we had a CTO. He'd frequently badmouth everyone behind their backs so that he would get raised up, including tearing down two former CTOs until he was offered the position. After obtaining his goal from this process over ~3 years, he was laid off after only a couple of months, and now doesn't have any plans for starting anywhere new.

My last job was working for a Jewish mom and pop shop running a search engine. As soon as I set foot in the door, they generously gave me the responsibilities of product and project manager on top of also being a developer. I'd basically work 10 hour days, plus parts of weekends. High-up expectations were unrealistic since our dev team was three full-timers (myself included) and morale was way low because the other devs would have their work shat on by the owners while their business revolved around reselling low-paying job posts and jobseeker email addresses and even resumes to anonymous third parties, which they didn't disclose up front. I didn't even stick around for a year.

Now I'm back to straight development again. The project management isn't the best, but I can go home at the end of the day and not think about work. It's amazing.

I don't know how long this industry will be like this, let alone how long I'll be able to stick with it before going crazy. My plan is to be able to pay off my house, build up savings, and then do something else if I stop giving a fuck. I should be about 40 years old by the time that happens, just in time for a mid-life crisis

>>134668276
Yeah, no joke.
yeah I'm astonished by that guy at primitive technology on YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZXUCQc2Z78

>>134669056
I can't stop watching videos of people making fire by rubbing sticks together.

I'm completing my masters this year. I feel like I have no skills at all. I was always above average in academia but the transition to the work marketplace is being tough.

My LinkedIn page is blank, social media makes me anxious.

I get called to job interviews quite frequently but I never get the job.
I always fuck up in hr interviews because of their muh socializing stuff and because I have no idea about what I want to do.

I never worked, got an internship, or did volunteer work, im 24. How fucked am I?

>>134665417
>The thing I used to love the most I CANNOT STAND today. Social media, cultural marxism, censorship, diversity mandates, ignorant self destructive youth brigade and the entire internet of douchebaggery has done me in.

I'm in the exact same boat except I only have 15 months work experience and haven't even finished uni yet.

2007 - 2014:
>Found a great enthusiasm for tech
>Developed game server scripts, apps, fixed/built PCs, played games, all in my spare time
>Impressed classmates with my tech knowledge
>Sixth form - top IT student
>Week of work experience as IT assistant, loved it
>HND - top student in district

2015:
>6 months work experience as a software developer
>Absolutely hated it
>Long commute
>Open office
>Knackered mentally at the end of each day
>Constant SJW yapping online and in previous areas of interest
>Games becoming ever more jewey and poorly developed
>Watch Stefan Molyneux video about women - future family aspirations shattered

2015 - 2017:
>Go to uni
>Put in minimum effort, do OK considering
>Do a year in new software dev job
>Starts OK
>More pressure piled on
>Two redpilled dudes leave, place now filled with media parroting cucks
>Absolutely hate this

About to do my final year, if I can get through the year without accidentally landing a SD job I'll be thankful. My plans for after graduation are just a big black void.

>>134668695

yeah, that explains why pol is so shit tier, people like you

i hope one of your victims turns you in

>>134668932
I started my tech/development career in 2001. It was so much fun back then. Sort of like pirates of silicon valley, but you could go where ever you wanted. I jumped around from NYC to SF to Seattle. Something happened around 2007 though. That's when the social engineering creep began to infect every production house in the country. I eventually was able to move to working from home because seniority/desirable skill set, but even then I would have to still communicate with all the faggots. I can't even stomach the thought of having to work in that environment ever again. With that said, I basically lived out your plan. I have a modest home I own, no debt, and am currently employed as an apprentice making $30k a year, but I enjoy my days, my work environment and the people I work around. Which to me, at this point in my life, is worth about $150k a year

>Working on master's, which can hopefully be a viable product
>Got an overview of the market, my project can do most stuff the market leader can do
>Advisor is a passionate professor who looks way younger than he really is
>My skills are excellent, way ahead of schedule already on project
>Will try get funding and turn project into a company without SJWifying it, advisor can likely advise on this too
>No Linkedin or muh social media
>Worst case, get job and figure something else
>Actually enjoying programming and working on stuff, it is nice seeing how everything comes together so nicely with good architecture

>>134666212
I agree, kinda.
Computers aren't trash, but they are way over rated. The importance of social media is way overrated (no one cares about twitter bouycots)
They are not reliable, and never will be. AI cars are not going to happen, everyone in the industry knows it. Too much money is being wasted on science fiction instead of simple shit, like backing up your data every day because computers fail.

>>134665417
I have burnout / blackpill but I'm in construction. God I hate it. Let me in IT. I hope a semitruck veers off the road and kills me one day without me realizing.

>>134669890
Linked In wasn't bad, but it's mostly filled with
"I'm unemployed and useless, let me tell you a cliche motivational story" these days

>>134665417
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>>134669056

Well done for making it to 30

I got sick and tired of tech after only 2 years

Literally me.

Graduated, started a tech startup, got a huge investment. The next few years were spent writing and selling software.

It was pretty fun, but I realized what a cultural bubble I was in when I started reading philosophy books on asceticism and simple living, so I took a step back and moved to a quite area to retire.

I'm now living off of my money. Don't know what I'm gonna do when it finishes but it'll be something easy and part time.

See while you tech fuckers have been doing your thing amassing wealth and buying 5 million buck single family homes in the South Bay have failed to learn how to take care of themselves outdoors. Cut trees fish cook over fires. Back trailers. Do head gaskets etc. Somone like me has lots of skills but only 100k to work with that took me years of hustling. But if i were to collaborate with Somone looking to check out we could make great things happen. Already have my humble off grid cabin. Looking to start a small commune homestead kinda thing. Lots of dirty hippy women to redpill

>>134665417
I'm right there with you. Linux sysadmin/developer, and after 5 years I'm burned out.

I keep trying to talk my coworkers into becoming farmers with me ;_;

>>134670584
Why don't you invest it, senpai?

Make enough yearly returns on that money to support a simple lifestyle, while still having a large safety net.

>>134665417
Its called a midlife crisis
dont kys fag

>>134670304
That and it's a smorgasbord of recruiters. I get like 5 emails a day "hey man, I see you're in a senior position can I interest you in x job at this new exciting company?"

It's like no bro, I don't want to support your shitty sharded Mongo cluster.

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>>134668858

Probably true but I assume it to be something wrong with my brain.

>>134669507

Ex-person. We're not people, not really. People have feelings and desires and goals. I'm what happens when the apoptosis of suicide fails, I'm cancer growing without purpose or control. I can remember having a desire not to be this way but I can't claim to have felt it recently. I accept my death and it's just a game at this point.

Everything you believe is pointless and I am going to spitefully tear down everything you build.

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>>134665417
software dev here.
>The thing I used to love the most I CANNOT STAND today. Social media, cultural marxism, censorship, diversity mandates, ignorant self destructive youth brigade and the entire internet of douchebaggery has done me in.

I absolutely feel you.
If my financial situation wasn't as tight as it is currently I'd feel like doing something else would feel really good.
Thought about photographing nature or stuff.
But I don't think doing this as a hobby can generate enough income to live from it without much worries.
So I'm kinda stuck in this hell and it's driving me mad.

Fuck TV, It's been shit for years now.
Fuck getting random messages every few hours on the smartphone.
Fuck all the internet drama bullshit.
Fuck how retardedly stpuid the majority of people out there is.
But also fuck the real life drama bullshit.

It kinda got me in a position where i feel like the whole principle of life and survival in modern days is absolute BS I don't even wanna continue living with.

It sucks really really bad..

>>134670304

Ha let me tell you about it.

>Working as student assistant with fellow feminazi "girls who code" chick
>She has a LinkedIn and all that jazz

>Worked at Walmart , really hectic at times! xD!
>Was student assistant (whoaa)
>Here is a list of my grades
>Trustee of "Girls Who Code" and other SJW orgs
Somehow makes it so it is HECTIC to be a student when it is literally lower paced than fucking middle school if you're a bit above average intelligent.

Literally
>Muh heroic story look at me I'm studying and doing this other stuff it is really really hard

>>134665417

>i wanna become a commune hippie

That's not blackpill, that's just Teddy K. pill.

Learning networking and storage and sysadmin while working in QA, wanna do my 5 years and work as remote admin from a cabin or own a small town computer shop
Why you guys all so bitter, this seems like the best way to do nothing all day

>>134669309
>My LinkedIn page is blank, social media makes me anxious.

Everyone I know pads their linkedin/blogs out PURELY for employers to see. It's fucking pathetic how they do it too.

>find bug in code
>i fix the bug
>colleague thinks the solution is neat
>makes a blog post about it

Or...

>someone has a piece of feedback about our product
>we spend a week trying so solve it
>same guy, a week later, on his blog: HOW I SOLVED OUR BIGGEST CUSTOMER ISSUE

You also just add anything on your linkedin, nobody's gonna check.

>>134665952
How?

>>134671416
Ha, it's click bait chicks. Hire some tits and get the clicks.
I'm not even sure how effective Linked In is. I don't think any company outside of IT has even adopted it in anyway. I used to apply for jobs on Linked In, but it either passed me to the main site of the company anyway, or I never heard back.
>>134671178
Yeah, that too. And it's slowly being more and more infected with Facebook-esque Social Justice shit that you can't publicly debate against.

>>134670986
A lot of it is invested for long term, the whole point for me is the compounding effect--I reinvest any earnings/dividends back in so that in 20 years I can retire properly with at least 5 million.

If I lived off the returns I could in theory retire now but I also would like to travel around the world at least once and buy a big plot of land with a farm so I can go "off the grid".

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>>134665417
You've submerged yourself in a life of synthetic virtual reality, no wonder you crave the natural and organic lifestyle. Luckily you can afford the transition. Going off the grid and becoming self-sufficient will help. So will (true) Christianity.

t. blackpilled 32 y/o

>>134665417
Interesting. Im learning to program right now. Python specifically. Ive thought that being a programmer would be a good job for me because im good at solving puzzles and stuff (i would like to be a pentester specifically). But i would also hate to sit around and only work by myself all day. Should i not do it? I find the field fascinating but would it become mundane after years?

>>134671891
Indeed. It's kind of depressing- thankfully at this point my resume looks so good, and I've networked enough, I can to straight to people for a job if I want to leave. LinkedIn is no longer relevant for me.

>>134672088
Ah, I gotchya. I grew up on a 40 acre ranch, and man do I miss it. It's good times anon.

>>134666250
That's the great thing about being a homosexual, I suppose. No kids to slave away for.

>>134672151
Get into machining. Machining is awesome, and if you can code, you will be an awesome machinist. CNC machines, lathes, routers, etc. are robots, dude. Robots that will make you anything you can imagine so long as you are able to communicate with them. Also, there really is nothing more manly than cutting metal.

>>134672291
>hurrrr your gay
thanks for contributing to the conversation, nigger

>>134666784

You can learn anything off of jewtube these days. Just pick something interesting and waste the day away looking at tutorials.

I'm 40 and have a relatively secure but uninspiring IT position, and have recently become annoyed by the fact that I don't really know how to do anything useful. I can do some basic bike and home repairs, but I certainly don't know how to build anything.

So what I interpreted the OP of driving at is this: how does one get from here to there. If your only skill set involves manipulating symbolic representations on a screen, what is the best way to transition to something more hands on? Sure, there are YouTube videos, which one can use to do some small scale tinkering, but creating a career out of that seems to have higher barriers to entry than IT. That's probably why I did IT - low barrier to entry.

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Unplug them, take your freedom back.

I did not expect so many people in the tech industry to go through this.

I expect it has something to do with overexposure to technology, to the point that it makes you question its purpose.

Like obviously the internet and other achievements were extremely beneficial to us, but after years of being obsessed over the latest phones, hardware parts, programming languages, web frameworks, editors, tools etc. you start wondering what the fuck you're doing with your life.

>>134672641
Wanna be a man? Learn gunsmithing. You can pick shit up off of YouTube relatively easily.

I replaced the trigger on my s&w M&P 9mm about a year ago, it felt great.

>>134665417
DevOps engie here

I took a two year break from doing real IT (did like IT ops but it was more ops than IT)

Really helped me remember why I got into IT in the first place, normie jobs are meh.

You may need a new firm, my boss is totally awesome at my new firm and I can do really whatever I want as long as I do my job. I didn't have that two jobs ago which is how I got burned out in the first place.

>>134672967
Are you actually part of a development team, contributing to the code base, or just kind of supporting the team by doing deployments for them and helping troubleshoot why their apps don't start?

>>134669622
Seriously, why though?
If you continued on and sucked it up, you'd be making +200/yr in US.

I've only got 4yrs under my belt and I make 90/yr in Vancouver (which is still surprisingly good because the wage here is not competitive).

>>134669622
Paying for college for any kids?

>>134666367
dreamer...

>>134665417

I think this is the future. Every screams that automatisation will destroy jobs and so it will. But I believe that people will start to prefer and value different things. People start to appreciate traditional skills and quality products that for example are hand-made.

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>>134666367
Absolute comedy

>>134673594
The most I made in a single year was $220k as a senior developer employed by one of Michael Bloomberg's pet projects, I'll not say which as we were a small team. Money is much more desirable when you don't have it. Once you do, you realize that money is only good for one thing, solving problems. Im able to solve and prevent all my life's problems on my current salary. Granted that is only because I own a home, and that's only because of my prior career. If I was paying rent or a mortgage I would feel completely different about it I'm sure. Also, my current income at my age and level of education would be considered by most as a retarded waste. I feel differently about it. My goal is to become a master cabinet maker, and then pass that skill onto someone else. I have precious little time to accomplish this.

do what ted kaczynski did

>>134665417
I became a massage therapist. People that spend 8+hrs a day on a computer have the most broken bodies that i see.

>>134672474
You must be new here if you do not know about this practice we have here of calling other people homosexual.

The statement stands however that the "normal" way of life is to have children at 40, which drastically reduces your potential for the kind of alternative path that you described.

Even more on topic, I'm also frustrated with my job, although I'm not in IT or tech but in healthcare. People are fucking ungrateful and often demeaning, they complain and make it your fault if they don't get better. Also, you're expected to be extra nice and to extra hours and give them all kinds of
privileges because after all it's not about mundane money but about the arcane good of their health and life, so you would be evil to not consider that. And then at the same time you know that if they had to pay all of this themselves they wouldn't be here now (not in the US obviously). But I'm also frustrated by the little statistical coding in R that I still do. Maybe the point is just that working sucks.

>>134671588
All three of those jobs will be gone in 5 years.

Lrn2script and you'll be the one who is automating those jobs and banking.

>>134665417
I'm done with our entire society. We have the technology to allow ourselves to be free, but we're nothing more than slaves.

Working in and around IT you start to become more aware of technology in your daily life. You become more aware of how that technology is being used to subvert populations. Once you're aware of it, it becomes sickening. It's like taking the red pill and opening your eyes to the real world, but here you're just hyperaware of tech. At least for me.

Eventually it becomes just blind hatred of technology, and your Reddit friendly peers constantly espousing their politics make you hate your job.. you'll do anything that doesn't involve electricity.

>>134673161
It's a small company with a ton of cash so I float around. Mainly I handle deployments, but I also look through their code to make sure they didn't make any errors (syntax shit, not like they coded the wrong thing). We handle server deployments for clients (mainly all automated at this point so once I learned to script it was cake (pun intended).).

Overall it's been super chill but I know eventually I'll have to get a normie job. I can bank off the experience though and work contracts when I'm 40/50.

>>134674983
>in 5 years
COLD FUSION SOON

>>134674983
Which languages do you suggest? Python / R?

>>134675112
>We have the technology to allow ourselves to be free
Wrong. People will always be slaves

>>134672419
I dont understand why coding would matter if i did machining though. Could you elaborate?

Work in F2P mobile games. Hate it, but it's good money and less crunching than AAA. When my smartphone died I decided not to replace it. My quality of life went up 100%. I never felt so fucking free.

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>>134665417
>Social media, cultural marxism, censorship, diversity mandates
NONE of that has anything to do with what you're skilled to do to make a living, fucking idiot

>>134675331

Cobol devs earn bank

>>134675331
Python
SQL
Shell

R if you want to do serious data science for a large company, but chances are that you'll probably either be using Python or JavaScript for those instead in a lot of instances

>>134674688
Good luck, bud. I still need to grind it out for my own property one day.

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Never stop growing, always seek to improve yourself.

>>134675331
Python first. Thats what im learning right now.
This guy is a really good resource https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSs58VZVLw8&t=11s

>>134665417
I run a seasonal mushroom farm. 4 acres. Best thing i ever done with my life. I worked for microsoft for 10yrs before.

>>134674038

what do you mean?

>>134675331
I use C# (language the dev team uses a lot) which is what Cake Build is build off of. We use Cake Build to package deployments. We use Ruby for Chef and everything else we use Powershell and Powershell DSC. Powershell is super simple and desu once you spend a week writing scripts you'll be fine. The more advanced stuff can take time but that's with anything.

Python is good, esp for networking. All of that being said PowerShell DSC is a monster when it comes to server automation and it's a lot easier.

Look into Chocolatey as well, it uses NuGet and downloads packages. It's not something that you'll use on a day to day basis but it makes my life a lot easier when a dev wants to prevent java from asking to update 24/7.

>>134665417
I feel your pain

>>134672139
>muh dead kike on a stick

>>134675380
The thought process and problem solving skills required to code are transferable to machining. Modern CNC machines are just dumb robots who are good at counting and have knives. They need a competent human to communicate their actions through a computer interface. Also, maths. Machining is math heavy

>>134672744
I think a lot of bitterness comes from the waste of technology. So many companies main efforts are shit like "ok, we need to design this application that can remotely turn a light bulb on over wifi, using an Android app." Or "we need to make all this accessible to the ~cloud~ for data analytics bullshit."

Cool, who cares, how does that benefit anyone but the sales team trying to sell a useless snake oil product?

>>134665417
Op I've literally done that, I'm getting a flip phone this week.

I got into IT when I was young because I just really liked technology and how programming logic was structured. I graduated from HS and burnt out after about 2 years doing the same shit because I was no longer a turbo autist that wanted to be left alone and program 24/7. What I did was get into a business (car flipping) and about a year it gave me a new, fresh perspective into business life. I launched a sass service and now bring in about 5k/month not rich but I get to shitpost here whenever the fuck I want.

so in short, try starting a business. It doesn't have to (actually recommend against it) be technology related.

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>>134676179
Interesting.

>>134668276
He is great at making neolithic stuff but he has pretty bad form for actually shooting the bow.

>>134675657
>>134675599
>>134675521
Thx guys, looking into your advice. Made really really horrible education (BA, kek) & job decisions in the past, would love to get into IT (should have done this 15 years ago...) in spite of all the suffering I read in this thread. Some want out out, some want in I guess.

>>134675485
Wow, incredible that's still in use...

>>134665417
the thing about tech is that it requires highly specialized people to working in a constantly changing field. and this means that many specialists must be working together just to keep any system running.

of course there are people passionate about it, but as you mature it becomes obvious that it is impossible to fully keep up with. the industry just uses you up and moves to the next guy. that's all there is to it.

>>134674821
>calls someone from Australia a nigger
>nigger thinks I'm new here

I don't disagree with you on the point of having children. I didn't want them when I was younger, a decision made out of selfishness and the knowledge that raising kids in big cities creates sociopath monsters. I am, however, currently in a relationship with a woman ten years my junior who is suddenly wanting children. Maybe I'll give her one.

>>134675653
How did you get started? I've been interested in growing some oyster mushrooms. If you have good things to read or take a look at I'd be very grateful.

>>134665417
>he's in the IT field and doesn't have "no tech" weekends

Books, sports games, camping, fishing.

>>134676512
Lots want in. A sysadmin I used to work with teaches at school downtown as a secondary job, trying to get people into basic programming. They want so badly to get into tech because it pays, but they can't even navigate a filesystem. Everyone touts programming and devops as if it's some kind of cushy job that anyone can do, but unless you went to school for it in college or at least grew up around computers, your chances of progressing are not great

>>134666212
Honestly, I have a voice controlled cable TV remote and it works really well and understands basically everything I say.

>>134671394
This is a unique time period in human history I think. There is no wholly satisfying pathway one can go without making a major sacrifice or having to interact with total morons who ruin it all. Say I am a mason who loved to read and was amongst the greatest in my city-state. I could join say Knights Templar, Freemasons, etc. never even need to interact with evil stupid people and die a proud man.

I think that one meme group Cicada 3301 are the only people who are close to this dream in theory except for all the faggots who idolize Julian Assange or want him dead.

We live in a time where for generall everyone cannot escape utter bullshit or they miss out on everything. You could always go into the woods but you have no internet no social activities because everyone is infected by SJW. Even if the people are "elite" they have no actual personal standards and are usually the guy starting the SJW memes lol

I guess TL:DR my rant is just life has never felt more hollow and depressing its why so many A list celebrities are just opting out now and killing themselves or just living in a island or self-made bubble and rarely ever doing anything publicly.

>>134674821
This also touches on what I am saying, you can't make ANY money unless you do a job which forces you into a position to meet extremely awful people. Top 4 jobs are in IT, Healthcare, Finance and Engineering, first 3 are all like that. Engineering is great because no "unwashed masses" but also you have pretty toxic work environments I heard so...

>>134675653
check out the shroomery.org. they have good tutorials on various oyster strain, lions made, etc. Thats how I got started. Started small. Worked my way up. This is my 5th season.

>>134675654
system engineer; most downer in this job, are the dumb questions from peoples who don't know nothing about IT... reachability is also a burden

>>134665417
Drop all digital tech, get books, tools and some land. GTFO and enjoy the rest of your life there.

You're welcome.

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>>134665417
Listen, you are our front line, the censorship, the Marxism, social media it will destroy us all. It fills us with hate but you are there day to day, we need you to fight this fight with us, when you are not at work you must disconnect, have a gf, be outside, work on your lawn. Keep mentally healthy but do not leave because we need you.

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>>134665417
For one, programming is an incredibly degrading job that offers 0 job security and is the vocation most plagued by ageism by a far margin. You are not respected at any normal company. Every day, some Alpha who probably does nothing at his job except get his secretary to suck his dick in his corner office cucks you into doing random bitch work, and then yells at you when it's not done by the deadline despite it being impossible to complete the work requested. Not only that, the code rarely works, your co-workers are Indians brought in by Tata Consultancy who will replace you for half the salary and you have to train them to get your $500 severence, and the work never, ever ends. You pollute your body with the caffeinenated jew, deprive it of sleep, and let it rot while you sit the majority of the day, neglecting any healthy exercise, social interaction or life goal attainment.

It like a postal worker, but coupled with feelings of loneliness, helplessness and total hopelessness. Programmers are too depressed to go postal, a sad state of affairs. After dentists, programmers have the highest rates of mental disorders, especially depression and suicide.

It get worse. Women, when they hear you are a programmer, instantly reject you. It is far better to tell a woman you are on welfare than to out yourself as a computer programmer. It's highly embarrassing for a woman to associate with a programmer, as everyone knows they are the grown up version of the hopeless virgin in high school. One who never really grew up and became normal and fit into society, but rather found an environment where he could escape the reality of his situation and be invisible, able to hide the toxic shame and utter humiliation that is the programmer.

Programming's father, Alan Turing, killed himself with cyanide because he was a programmer. Programmers, why haven't yo taken the cyanide pill and quit programming and turned to a respectable and productive profession to better society?

>>134665417
>Without a pivot, I am become the BLACK PILL
I've made about $12m USD over the last decade doing app development.

I kept working because I enjoyed it, but now it's soul crushing. I fucking hate it and everyone and everything. It ruined my health and relationships, and the only memory I have of my 20s and 30s is sitting in front of a fucking computer.

If you can make money and get out, do it. Fast.

Now I just want to start a farm, raise some animals, and wait to die.

>>134676512
If you can't hack IT it's totally cool. IT is for people that want a job but don't want a career. Some people need gratification that can only come from a career, the rest of us who work in IT want to smoke pot on a week night and do what we have to do to keep our bank accounts in the black.

>>134665417
Nah I love working in the tech industry. It's not for everyone though, sounds like you ended up there by circumstance and not of your own will. Like, it was easy so it was the "natural" choice.

t. 30-something VAR

>>134665417
READ DR. JACK KRUSE TEACH ABOUT BLUE WAVELENGTH LIGHT.

IT IS A KILLER.. YOU NEED TO STAY THE FUCK AWAY FROM LED.. BLOCK THAT SHIT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JKEqht4HnE

Look up Jack Kruse .. you'll learn this and maybe save your health.

>>134676250

Indeed. I'm working in an older industry that's trying to catch up with all this magic software business, so I'm pushing into delicious new territory where I'm making something useful and people actually WANT it. Feels good, man.

how about the opposite Is it feasible to start a career in IT in your late twenties?(like 28-29)

>>134665417
Been programming for 6 years, worked in open source for the past 3. I still enjoy programming, but the industry as a whole is a pile of shit, everyone is either a nu-male liberal or autistic, and I despise actually working for someone else doing monkey code work. I really just want to drop it all and move inna woods.

>>134677346
Guess it all comes down to a matter of expectations. The tech illiterate you describe that want to get in IT despite being incompetent even at the most basic stuff are one thing, lot of those people also get thrown into such courses because of state "job centers" that want them off the unemployment lists / into career change mode even if it's just for a few months to make statistics look better. I think I will manage though, grew up with tech and am quite down-to-earth.

>>134677704
That's all I want, too. Have seen enough career types get crushed and obliterated by their own ambitions and ultra toxic work environments for the sake of trying to climb the ladder higher and higher.

>>134665417
I've worked as a web dev for 15 years. I'm almost 40 and completely burnt out. I'm inheriting half a million dollars soon and will buy a sail boat and sail around the world

Another cabinet maker here. Used to spend most of my life on the PC, used my IT skills to build a website and set up a CNC machine for engraving at work. Other than that, I'm pretty low-tech and my hobby is working on my car, being in IT doesn't feel healthy.

>>134678708
The few of us who understand the autismos and are semi-autistic but still have social skills are the kings of the tech world, put up with the BS, it exists in any workplace that involve groups of people. Advance yourself, and have a life doing what you like.

>>134677700
>Programming's father, Alan Turing, killed himself with cyanide because he was a programmer
He cracked The Enigma and the government shrank his nuts, which is why he killed himself.

>>134679204
Pro Tip: Drop your anchor in some secluded lagoons in Belize and play a MIDI keyboard at night. I read about the Weave recruiting there, sounded fairly reasonable.

>>134679400
Its something even the boomer males felt; its called "midlife crisis". As long as your direct your energy towards good hobbies and not just buying expensive shit that you'll regret buying, its good.

>>134679502
Turing decided to write on another mans turing machine so he got he write privileges removed

>>134665417
Pretty much anyone in IT wants to do manual labour instead after a while. It's just a shame the pay is too good for any of us to actually go ahead and do it

>>134679744
I'm never going back

>>134676672
I would strongly advise you to do it, not because you're probably white but because through my job in healthcare I can see how life turns out in the second half and what a difference they make.

>>134678481
no way man, whatever you are doing as a job at 28 you will need to continue to do until you die.

>>134666367
I would say that less than 1% are able to job remotely, and 99% of those start out by building a reputation in a major city first

>>134679996
This is basically the plot of Office Space

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OP here. Had some lunch and WOW!

Thanks Anons for your input.
This gives me a lot to work with. I'm hoping to get back to meaningful basics and explore some new avenues and find opportunities.

Huge help knowing it's not just a few years outliers. This seems to be more systemic than I thought.

>>134679753
Working on my car is pretty expensive. Other than that, I don't buy any bullshit.

>>134677700
This is nicely written up if a little over-dramatic.
When I was young I wanted to study CS and then my uncle told me and my parents that this is a poor choice because I would become a programmer, a pityful person that has to sit in front of a computer screen all day every day. For a long time I thought I let my uncle take away my prospect to happiness, but now at 30 I see that he had some valid point. I did a lot of programming during my PhD and now I'm glad it's not what I do all day every day.

>>134677702
So if you have 12m then you don't need to do it anymore, do you?

>>134665417
Programmer here.
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST I HATE MY JOB WITH A PASSION. KILL ME. Or not, I died long ago, now I'm just a walking shell.
The dream job of my childhood became my nightmare. I'd rather do ANYTHING else, but the pay is too good and besides, I can't do anything else.

>>134665417
yes
yes
Tech is not natural. There is something written deep within our selves that makes us feel at peace with a natural environment.

They've even studied this in all sorts of ways. here's a little one:
When there is a direct, visible correlation between hard work and results, (such as seeing the progression of success while making something with carpentry) people are energized to work harder. Where as highly technical jobs that don't have such a simple correlation between hard work and results don't provide that energy.

I'm not saying a return to primitivism is the answer and that tech is bad. But you're not alone. Someday mankind will find the right balance for us all.

Pick up some outdoor hobbies. Something personal.

>>134665417
I get ya. I worked in IT/software for 3 years. I felt like I could actually notice my shoulders caving in. I burned out and quit to go back to university & study law. Best decision I ever made.

>>134677704
Hey that doesn't sound so bad. I'd like to smoke pot on weeknights. Is this for real?

>>134666212
I've been thinking this lately. Literally every "app" I use is fucking terrible. Every one of them. They're buggy as all hell, they crash, the UI is mediocre. The stereo on my car has a terrible UI, like it was designed by a freshman. Unnecessary touch screen. The transmission on my car is computer controlled, and it takes a dangerously long time to shift from D to R. It's doing too much communication that older cars didn't have to do. Why was this added? This is not an improvement and neither is the stupid touch screen. When I'm looking down at a failing app in traffic while I'm miserable and running late, I feel such resentment. All we give up for this thing in my hand, and it doesn't even work. And I waste my whole fucking life working and haven't a pot to piss in. No time saved by technology, to give me time to spend with the people I love, or find one to love. We work 4 times as much as subsistence societies.

>>134666256
I firmly believe tech is way better than we're led to believe. They're keeping it fairly stagnant for a reason. I just have a feeling, based on a qualitative assessment of intel and things people have said. Some of the things they're capable of I think have too many far reaching implications for the economy, global stability, and life itself. The technology available would free us.

>>134682342
They're all milking the status quo as long as they can, big industry heads have all agreed to slow walk things, so everyone makes $ and nobody gets "decapitated" as an industry giant. No rocking the boat

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>>134681777
you're not alone, Captain Trips.

I find many online interfaces abusurdly unwieldy as if constructed my blithering idiots.

lack of intuitive ease, absent or unhelpful features. simple things which ought to be obvious .. its like designers lack the capacity to think in real world terms and design to the machine rather than the human user.

>>134665417

9 years in biotech and hate the whole sleazy deceptive industry and all its mind numbingly boring jobs.

How do I into programming or IT? In college at the moment, do I just look for internships and shit?

>>134682342
unfortunately I don't think this is the case

after working for cutting edge tech development, I grew frustrated not with the tech but with the limits of the abilities of a human institution. I have come to believe that there is a limit to the complexity that any organization of people can handle, and our reaching of that limit is what has stagnated the rate of development

we won't see rapid tech development until tech development becomes significantly less dependent on human ability.

>>134682883
You know what else blows is Bluetooth. Conceptually it's great but functionally it's absolute crap. "Connection was unsuccesful." Yeah, it sure was you faggot.

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>>134679204
Dude. I'm combing Craigslist all the time for land on the Big Island and sail boats. I've got an eye on a 1980 36' - 40' blue water Tatyana

>>134665417
graduated in 05' with CS degree. quit CS in 10'. Now I just live off my wifes hard labor in a job she loves doing. Mention 'specs' to PMs and they laugh, then tell them they just added 2 months till you finish. Watch their face and laugh.

>>134677700
> Take cyanide pill
> Turn to respectable profession

Pick one

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>>134665417
Damn, I feel the same about IT.

IT is too distant from nature.

Shit in childhood -> Depression -> IT as an escape fun, but I had no passion for it. -> A comeback at life I start knowing what I really want -> Get mentally fucked again -> Have another comeback -> bust up health by some stupid reason was kiddo back then (I'm fine now) -> family convinces me to go IT, whilst I have panic attacks -> Realize it is all shit -> Literally can't sleep -> Drop out of college +
still fighting issues.

You are not alone brother.

>>134683115
Rod is that you?

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>>134665417
Go work on an oil rig. You make like 700$ a day. All the way out, there's no constant bombardment of news, it is like living on a small secluded island.

>>134665417
Yes... But I'm too far gone, idgaf.

I'm trying to tune a machine learning neural network to upload my mind desu

>>134666256
>technology is because it's becoming less and less sensational as it used to be
Nigga what? The kilo-core Volta100 is blowing my mind

>>134683404
Hi dad kek

Nah ur right tho

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>>134665417

>probably "program" in HTML doing menial work
>get replaced by pajeet
>OMG GUISE AM SOOO BURNT

Programming and general problem solving is a blessing to the brain.

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>>134665417
There's still plenty of hope OP. Don't turn to the black pill just yet.
You're finally coming around to the cravings for the real, the physical, the concrete. Tech jobs are just ever-deepening abstractions with no real end, which don't satisfy us.

Start by gardening. Bring something to life, care for it, use it for the continuation and betterment of your own life. Spend time outside, feel some physical strain.
Learn how to hunt. Find a local Elks lodge or Ducks Unlimited chapter. Tell them you're interested in learning how to hunt. They'll have you tag along on a group hunt, then start learning firearm basics. You'll work up to doing your own hunting in about a year.
Start looking for land. Look for somewhere that you can raise animals, grow some food, hunt.
Secure your finances. This may require you to keep doing some IT/CS work on a freelance basis as you transition to being fully free of the technological virus.

Moving to a rural area will also rid you of SJWs.

>>134665417
yep. i ended up quitting. just going to vacation for a year or two and think about making a cabin on a piece of land

>>134688020
What's it like having never been a developer?

That was me ten years ago. I try not to remember my days as a hardware certification technician. All the worst parts of tech jobs rolled into one position and I still have college debt. Dropped out of life for a couple years as an unemployed loser after I broke down. Now I have an entry level job doing manual labor making half as much money and I'm ten thousand percent happier.

It's important that your work is something you can enjoy for whatever stupid reason that you can enjoy it. I found out I really like stacking things neatly and moving heavy shit around. Keeps me healthy and it's so freaking easy we could make children do it if not for child labor laws. You really don't need that much money to live anyway, especially if you're willing to share an apartment. No sense in ruining your quality of life for some future benefit that you won't even have any life left to enjoy. Enjoy it while you can man.

>>134689577

Feels great not having to write shitty "apps" in java

>>134665417
I moved to Thailand, married a rich fat girl, got a no-show job from her family, and mostly manage AirBNBs that we keep buying and flipping. I have an 18 year old side girlfriend who doesn't know my real name and is grateful for the money I give directly to her parents.

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>>134665417
Damn, you have no idea how accurately you describe how I feel, and I'm not even fucking drinking age yet. The whole environment really gets at you if you're not doing actual cool shit.

But I'm going to Defcon this year, going to see if I can perhaps have some of my techno spirit reinvigorated, get back into the mindset I had when I was in HS.

I'm just so tired, man.

>>134690848
>I'm going to Defcon this year
I've always wanted to go. That sounds like it would be a lot of fun

>>134691653
Yeah, it'll be my first time. It's no accident that Defcon is the largest hacker/tech convention in the world. It's like one big recruitment site with tons of talks and research on the bleeding edge of technology. And that's discounting all the other stuff they have going on like the competitions which get you recognized by the big players, governmental and corporate.

I'm excited af.

>>134691864
You're preaching to the choir. I have stacks of 2600 zines and have seen a bunch of talks and things from there.

>>134691864
enjoy your stay on the FBI watchlist

>>134692236
I'm likely already on hundreds, if not a couple hundred for shit I say here and do online.

I'm sure one more for "attending defcon" is really going to spook me.

>>134672641
Well what tier of IT do you work in? Because naturally, Tier I IT jobs are babby positions for high schoolers or equivalent in college, while Tier II are where your foot is in the door to do advanced shit, and Tier III is basically where all the cool and advanced shit happens that actually requires a working skillset and high knowledge capacity.

If you're stuck in Tier I or Tier II, of course you're going to feel that way, but working up to Tier III and landing that sweet ass NOC administrator or Systems Architect or something like that is highly rewarding and basically what you crave.

Sure, IT might be low barrier entry to begin with, but the higher you go, the more fulfilling it becomes as you are tasked with more resources, responsibilities and management that require you to be creative and create something worth managing.

>>134689857
you sound like me.

Huh. I switched from regular engineering undergrad to cs for masters. Engineering,esp.civil was just too much regulations. Also i gotta feed my family (mom and pops mortgage, siblings college tuitiom etc)

>>134665417
That's soo me.
Early 40, been programming 17 years and boss of my own cie for 15, mostly managing the team now, still fed up with tech.
Planning to keep doing it a few years and then quit it all to a house with some acres in bumfuck nowhere doing wood stuff

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>>134665417

If anything, 12 years of systems engineering in C & C++ will severly blackpill anyone (me).

After that, you find a great deal of fluff around the typical conspiracy theory difficult to believe. Basically, if "experts" in the field can't even cobble together a coherent library for something like graphics (which should be much, much simpler than say vulkan), then you can rest assured that "experts" behind every psy-op and coverup are at least as incompetent if not more so.

Take another example: How hard would it have been for Intel to add an extended output SIMD multiply to SSE? Just one instruction with 4 arguments instead of 3 (two registers for lo and hi of product) which would allow very efficient SIMD-based implementations of multiple-precision arithmetic, and allow the industry to approach the idea of phasing out most of scalar x86. Instead, more than 6 revisions of instruction set later, we still do not have an official extended-result SIMD multiply, meaning if you want to do 64x64 with 128 result, you need to use AVX with half-populated registers. Remember that this is hardware we're looking at here, which means that every generation will take longer and longer to phase out. At this point, I think we're going to be dealing with shitty old scalar x86 for thousands of years.

>>134665417
burned out as well. going rural. technology is used by monkeys and implemented by cost undercutting pajeets like with no skills.

biggest mistake I made in my life was studying cs

Are you still here OP?

Look into this: https://fo.am/activities/

Have a nice life!

>>134666413
man what is it with IT and gardening?!?! that's all I do and want to do as well. hydro gardening of vegetables maybe. used to grow weed during uni but just like organic hydro veges now

>>134693035
lel all I've ever been has been a 'system architect' since my first year out of college. In addition, I've been the DBA and tech support as well...all at the same time. Fuck IT, next week there will be some meme framework to have to learn how to use because some fuck learned a new buzzword. The money is not worth the hair loss and weight gain.

>>134666096
What do now?