Could we turn the desert Green?

I always thought the issue was salt content of the soils left. Aral sea issue. Water flowing in to maintain groundwater levels but need some flowing out so salt doesn't accumulate. Also plants with an immunity to high alkaline content.

You could desalinate and pump (costly) but if the groundwater levels aren't high, or default to brackish it won't work.

I've often thought about how to turn major desert areas into farmland for future good expansion but the plethora of issues overwhelm me. Terra forming here would be an interesting field of science, and an application for Mars or Venus if we perfected the process and the science would be neat.

>>134655384

There are mountains in your picture but they are totally bare.

Fresh water falls as rain or collects on mountains over the winter months as snow then melts.

If that place could be a green fertile land then it already would be.

If you can change the weather then that's a different story. . .

>>134655384
We do it some places. It's called irrigation.

>>134655384
When the Yellow man finds an oasis in the desert, he maintains it.
When the Black man encounters an oasis, he turns it into a desert.
When a White man finds a desert, he turns it into an oasis.

>>134655384
>Could we turn the desert Green?
https://africa.quora.com/The-Man-Who-Stopped-the-Desert

Wikipedia says the government took that land from him because it turned green. If he wants it back he will have to buy it for 100k because the land which was dead and worthless 30 years ago is now worth at least that much.

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>>134657805
>If that place could be a green fertile land then it already would be.
Not entirely true anonkun
When people noticed deserts growing, they hypothesized that it was caused by animal migration destroying vegetation (crushing/eating) so they killed off a shit ton of elephants et al. and now that the desertification has accelerated they realized the animal poop was fertilizing vegetation and spreading seed... Think it happened in Africa specifically.
Not saying everywhere can be returned to grassland, but some areas certainly can be altered with enough animal poop.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COGWWYfjZSI

>>134655384
Do the opposite of what jews say. Warm the globe, melt the ice caps. That extra moisture will green the deserts. Not to mention all the land that will be made livable in Russia and Canada.

>>134655384

Send some refugees there.

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>>134659639

>>134655384
It has been done, it's called California.

>>134660220
Huge mistake. Sad!

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>>134655384


fertilizer, ofcourse. human fertilizer.
if you want the deserts to go green, enrich the soil with muslim graves.
With the current demographics, six corpses every 1 square meter should work miracles

>>134655384
>Deserts (the hot and sandy kind) aren't inherently deserts cus of their position on the planet (like the poles). What do we need to make them green and why hasn't it been done?
That's wrong though. It's all about their position.

>>134655384
Yes we can.
Could fuck up climate elsewhere though in most cases.
Wouldnt fuck around with it too much.

Communism worked pretty well in Israel

>>134655384
The place in that picture, probably, since trees and other smaller plants can survive already. You'd just have to pull off some landscape engineering and plant more of those plants. It wouldn't become paradise, it'd still be arid, but it'd become somewhat wetter over time.

Check out what the Israelis are doing in the Negev with water catchment, tree planting, etc. You can say what you want about the kikes, but they're doing some nice work in that field.

>>134659035
I think you are talking about https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpTHi7O66pI , correct?
One part was also that large herds of animas trample down the vegitation in the subtropics that otherwise would not be crushed. However since they are anual plants they still die and dry, but without being trampled down they pose a major competetor with the new grass generation.

>>134655384
I agree that we need to make desserts green. Polish people are always eating my dessert. If we make them green, the glorious colour of allah, penis be upon him, then the evil xenophobic poles will kick my desserts out and never eat them again

>>134661253
It's not wrong though. Often times we humans broke a working system that can not repair itself. Best example would be Australia where the Abbos burned down almost all of the rainforrest or Spain pre-romanic.

>>134663069
kek

>>134655384
>what do we need to make them green
concerted effort by the first world involving massive amounts of resources, labor, and money investments into doing so
>why haven't we done it
because the first world is full of greedy fuckin' pricks in every position of power who want ever more for their hordes

>>134663432
Would growing shit edit the climate?

>>134663186
You vastly overestimate the impact. Ecosystems are dictated by their location on the globe and the corresponding climate in said area.
Even when humans destroyed areas in the past, the natural state of said area was restored some time later.

The better question is at what rate does said system restore itself. If you can learn the mechanics of restoration, you can adapt farming techniques to the specific area better.

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>>134657805
>>134657200
The main issue is the soil. Without the right soil water will just run over, form quick large mud rivers in rain season and flush sediment away. After that is dissapears so fast into the ground that potential plants could not benefit anymore.
What is needed is
>Silt particles, because its pores hold water with a preassure plants can access best.
>A humus ground and plant litter cover. Nothing saves water, it houses important mirco flora that is needed for further humus accumulation and it covers the bare ground better from the hot sun.
>Deep rooted plants to hold th ground together or everything that was done before would just be washed again next rain or blows away fromthe wind.

These systems first need to be tended by the human, but after some years there will be eached a point where the area will stay as such without further human involment. Would this be done on large enough areas, the local small scale climate would change due to higher evaporation from the trees, because they can acces more water that is now better stored in the ground, which in turn highers the precipitation.
It could be done almost everywhere, it only affects how much effort must be put into the system to change it.

>>134664304
There is a certain point that when broken, breaks the cycle of ecological succession. As example I could name Germany. Not your typical desert country but a few hundred years ago we had shifting sand dunes that swallowed villages. The reason for that was over extensive land usage. First the forests were used for catte feeding which eliminated every natural new trees or shrubs comming up. Additionally farmers usesed the nutricious top soil of the forests to mix into their farms. After the trees were then removed not only did nothing new come up, but everything that was not sand was blown away, something you know as dustbowl in your country aswell. After that nothing would grow on that dunes naturally and lots of work had to be invested to return these areas into a sour pine forest which is now getting started to be transformed more and more into beech.

>>134664214
yeah but stuff wont really grow in these areas, thats the problem, you need to carefully manage a sequential replanting strategy to either restore fucked up land or improve naturally shitty land, either due to low/infrequent rainfall or bad soil quality

>>134664304
But the Sahara used to be lush

>>134665094
that was natural climate change.

If enough money and effort was invested into it, very specific plants cold be re-introduced, and the ecosystem would change, but we would never be able to let up man-made interventions, or it would be one tiny drought from reverting back to what it was

>>134655384
> why hasn't it been done

That's what (((they))) are doing in (((Israel))). Desalination, drip irrigation, etc.
(((They))) are even planting forests where it used to be desert. I think the largest human made/artificial forest ever made on a former desert is the Yatir forest.

>>134665015
There are several once deserted areas which are now used for date plantation or other tropic fruits. Those in turn can be used to finance at least an extend of project time. Or you help the farmers in Chinas Loess Plateau to turn their unusuable land into farmable again. If those areas are treated right some can be renaturated and left alone after some time.

>>134657805
Looks like California..

A lot of California looks shitty and dead like that.

>>134655384
Asking if we could turn the desert green is like Jews saying could we turn white people brown...

>>134666538
rly makes my head do a thing

>>134666538
Ya you could do it, but why would you want to?

It can be done, look here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-North_Shelter_Forest_Program

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Green_Wall

>>134666247
The problem it's water, for that you need to relocate massive amounts of water and it will mean that somewhere else will be a desert eventually.

>>134666118
And they do it on their own land so one could say they are on to something

>>134655384
Whites aren't allowed to build anymore. They have an artificial forest in Israel but not america, ask yourselves why? Why do white technologies get into Jewish hands?

>>134655384
We've turned many green areas into deserts over the past 10k years. We can turn a lot of those back to green, and, in fact, we should. We could green some other places that are naturally deserts, but I question the wisdom of such actions in many cases. Some deserts are beyond greening, however.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xcZS7arcgk

>>134666619
We must secure the existence of our environment and a future for dry climates.

>>134655384
>>134655384
Not without significant climate change, especially regarding rainfall. Irrigation in the same sense as is done in Arid regions of the middle east won't work since it's a different environment and soil type

The Sahara used to be a huge fertile belt with heavy rainfall, one of the factors that led it to being an Atlantean outpost and later Egyptian civilization

>>134665312
While the Sahara has certainly grown because of climate change, it is arguable that human activity is accelerating that change. Any shepherd near the edge of the desert who does not practice planned rotational grazing in a way that allows the flora to regenerate is contributing to the acceleration.

>>134666118
A lot of that region was actually not a total desert thousands of years ago. But 9 or 10 thousand years ago, they started with deforestation and over grazing which would have stopped the regeneration of the land.

>>134655384
>What do we need to make them green and why hasn't it been done?

It's been done but the real problem is not that there's too many deserts but that there's too many people.

Turn the Sahara green and the niggers will just breed even faster and fill it up before you know it.

Besides, deserts are part of nature and are kind of beautiful.

>>134666538

But we literally can, though...

>>134667094
>Not without significant climate change, especially regarding rainfall.
Not really. The H2O cycle just needs to be a bit extended. The same amount of water can still evaporate from the oceans, but as it falls down on land it just needs to be saved better in the ground.
It is also highly likely that early humans once again played a part in the reduction of forests there

>>134667174
I was talking about the shift thousands of years ago that turned it from grassland into desert, that was completely natural.

But yeah, man made climate change and inappropriate farming techniques are fucking it up further

>>134667308
It still isn't desert, in the ME, most of the land along the Med and into Syria is just arid. It becomes a desert in the Sinai and also in Eastern Syria, Jordan, and Iran.

There's a lot less effort involved with making Arid environments grow plants compared to the actual desert.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desert_greening

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahara_Sea

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qattara_Depression_Project

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groasis_Waterboxx

Bring colonization back.

>>134667308
It was called the fertile halfmoon for a reason, but once agriculture and animal husbandry took place things were overdone, because back then there was enough space for everyone and if you made one place shit you just went a but further.

>>134667401
IIRC, for every 1% soil organic matter, the soil can store something like an extra 20k gallons of water. Also, with minimal soil organic matter, plants are only efficient at water uptake in a very slim percentage of total soil capacity. I don't have the figures in front of me, so don't quote these numbers, as they're just to give you the general idea, but at 1% SOM, it might be between 70% and 90% capacity that plants can efficiently uptake the water, and at 7%, it might be between 30% and 95%. In other words, the more SOM, the more water the soil can store (and infiltrate too,) AND the more efficiently the plants can use that water. It's a double whammy.

>>134655384
>>134657200
>>134657805
>>134659035
>>134660451
>>134661253
>>134662865

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycLbO02lb7w

this cunt did it

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>>134667353

>>134655384
>>134657200
>>134657805
Some we can, some we can't. It's more a question of "which deserts can we green, and how?"

The trees chosen are a huge factor as well. Some will last, others will just last a generation and die off after.

>>134667711
Exactly. I wrote a bit about exactly that here >>134664350 . Though I really have no idea about the american soil system so I can't name everything appropriatly

>>134660220
our deserts aren't green.

>>134660446
shut up and eat my fucking nuts you poorfag fruit.

>>134657805
Take a microwave, amp it a quadrillion times and point ut at the sky. Its called haarp bub, we've been doing it for decades.

>>134668120
For the most part, our soil system is taking dirt and spreading a bunch of synthetic shit on it that kills the soil biology. In other words, our soil system is really geology, not biology. There are a few farmers who have moved away from this and tend the soil rather than the plants, and they have developed some pretty slick systems and their ideas are starting to spread. However, they are going to have one helluva fight on their hands, because agrigiants stand to lose shitloads of money as people turn away from them. Politicians will be purchased in an effort to stop the idea that companies like Monsanto aren't necessary to feed the world. And they aren't.

You'd have to set up some kind of infrastructure that provides shadow in order to allow the soil to remain drenched. Now plants will grow and further provide shadow etc.

>>134655384
It's theoretically possible, but not practical. Deserts are deserts largely due to their position relative to mountain ranges, jet streams, etc.

Sure you can build irrigation systems, but those are limited to how far you can dig canals and such. You can pump water from underground aquifers, like what is done in the Western US, but that's ultimately unsustainable as the aquifers are drained faster than they can naturally refill.

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>>134655384
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xcZS7arcgk

Easy. Geoff Lawton has turned parts of Jordan's salt desert into paradise. If the middle east wasn't filled with useless scum, they would do this to the entire region.

>>134668836
Trees?

>>134666775
Fugg, beat me to it. Pemaculture is the future, and the nations and groups that adopt it will thrive while others are fucked in the ass by climate change, peak soil and peak fertilizer.

>>134669721
Or cover crops.

http://www.sare.org/

There are a lot of ways to build soil, some probably better than others, and some probably more suited to certain situations than another. They all inherently use photosynthesis to feed the soil biology year round.

>>134655384
We need to implement conrainers on designated shitting streets than send all of the shit to deserts. Perfect plan we can also export some salt to leafs they would die off eventually no rake needed

>>134669721
I think he means what will be there before the vegitation. But there is hardy pioneer plants that can be used without any shade use to imideatly cover the ground or use light weight plastic greenhouse tents to nurture the trees. Those are gigantic, cheap and easy to deploy

>>134669057
Not true. The fertile desert used to be fertile. hence the name.

See:
>>134666775

>>134670170
Look up Ray Archuleta, Gabe Brown and Joel Salatin. They don't practice permaculture per se, but they use many of the same principles in a different way, and they are effective too. I guess you could call it convergent evolution in a way. I would argue that regenerative agriculture is the future, and while permaculture folks may disagree with my semantics, permaculture falls under that umbrella.

>>134655384
we discovered deserts are a huge CO2 sink so i dont know if making them green would be that better

>>134670718
But trees would absorb the CO2 and create oxygen.

>>134658501
Fucking niggers if I was the president or top apex dictator, I did him give more land property so he can change by his own capital un the condition of paying taxes for goods with Talk with bsnks to find investors for a small plant.

Afff reeee

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>>134671163
Africans hold themselfs back. Things like pic related are an exeption and get usually torn down by jealous fucks. iirc either this guy who planted the forest or some other had once his forest burned down by his neighbours because crops actually grew on his land because of the vitalizing forest

>>134663186
curious about the australian rainforests, have any links on hand?

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>>134672906
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire-stick_farming

Turns out preserving the forests isn't an easy task.

>>134669057
The Southwest would be nice and lush if we leveled the Sierra Nevada mountains.

>>134672906
Lots of things pop up if you search for it
http://theconversation.com/how-aboriginal-burning-changed-australias-climate-4454
https://books.google.de/books?id=FijiCgAAQBAJ&pg=PA7&lpg=PA7&dq=australien+rainforest+burned&source=bl&ots=xL1dt-qSMs&sig=_S_keG8fQV01hwiDJCSUIydA3Ak&hl=de&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiPl5fzhKDVAhWpJsAKHdAnBXYQ6AEIggEwDQ#v=onepage&q=australien%20rainforest%20burned&f=false
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire-stick_farming

>>134655384
Because niggers and nigger culture is toxic. All efforts white men effort to make green deserts will be undone by niggers. Because muh nigger culture.

>>134673672
It depends on where you do it. The deserts of America, Australia, and China don't have niggers fucking around in them.

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>>134655384

It can be done with Geo-Engineering/Warfare(Which Terraforming is connected to & has a few ways of being done).

[KB's: http://archive.4plebs.org/_/search/subject/knowledge%20bomb/username/anonymous5/tripcode/%21%219O2tecpDHQ6/]

BBP(Black Budget Projects),Power Structures,Certain Corporations & Various Governments have access to that type of stuff.

>>134655384
Import a bunch of shit. Texas was a desert and its now mostly green everywhere east of Paso.

>>134673907
america shouldnt be on that list

>>134674069
We have niggers in America, but they don't live in our deserts (which is in the Southwestern part of the country)

>>134673907
America and Australia definitely have niggers in their deserts. And China has muslims in their deserts. Muslims are as bad as niggers when it comes to their backward """cultures""".

>>134655384
Let animals trample the land. They naturally rejuvenate the land that way, check for a Ted talk about dedesertification

>>134655384
no one on /pol/ would ever care about making the environment a better place to live, anon.
Shame on you for not knowing that.

>>134655384
>hello goyim could you please come up with ideas and funds to remove the biggest natural barrier between niggers and humanity that libtards cant cross either?

>>134674206
thats your problem, cage them up in the deserts

>>134657200
lol terraforming Venus. You are an idiot

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>>134655384
BUT THE WORMS

>>134674254
Niggers all live in the cities, my dude.

>>134674432
Would be easier to drop them in the middle of the ocean by the shipload.

>>134673907
China is already trying to regreen the Loess Plateau. They've only managed to regreen about 5% of it, but if they are successful, it will solve a lot of problems for them.

>>134674618
you dont need to pay to hire boats if you just death march them

#smart #efficient

>>134674254
>>134674069
Spics? Yes.
Niggers? Not really.
>t. desertfag

>>134674746
Tbh, bullets are only like $0.10, but people would take issue to doing it outright, I suppose.

We could always put them on planes and dump them in Africa.

>>134655384
It was done 1600 years ago. But after the Grammarians were bankrupted they made the whole desert even worse.

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>>134674303
>Look at this nu/pol/tard

>>134655384
>What do we need to make them green and why hasn't it been done?
Because it's unfeasible. The desert in the image you show is probably a Rain Shadow desert. It exists because the mountains catch and block precipitation. To get rid of the desert you'd have to knock down the mountains, and if you did that you'd basically destroy the local soil with all the blasting anyway.

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>>134675607
Forgot my pic. tl;dr: Geology doesn't work that way.

>>134655384
Yes, our greatest allies (Israel) have already turned unihabitable desert into farm land.

>>134655384
>Deserts (the hot and sandy kind)
as opposed to?

>>134675607
shouldn't one side of the alps be desert then?

>>134676108
Thanks to the North Atlantic Current dragging in plenty of precipitation from the west and northwest, that's not an issue.

>>134665094
>But the Sahara used to be lush

The Sahara was lush because the monsoon rained over it. If you'd redirect the monsoon as in ancient times, many poo-is-loos would starve.

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>>134676029
The icy and cold kind.

>>134676029
The cold, icy kind like Antartica.

Italian education everyone.

>>134676598
>Italian education everyone.
>Italian

American education everyone.

>>134676445
As it would be possible to bring more water into the water cycle of the desert or desert near lands. And if the soils gets better it saves more water from running off too fast, thus making even the limited water more available.
In the end it is a question of recources and time put into it, but it is possible

>>134676598
>Italian

You colour blind?

>>134677154
>In the end it is a question of recources and time put into it, but it is possible
You're forgetting an important part of this process: Where do those resources come from? It sounds easy on paper to "bring more water" but where are you taking it from? The water cycle only acts so fast, and some regions in the United States are starting to realize that industrial scale extraction of ground water causes the water table to lower.

Usable water is not quite as renewable as people like to think that it is, and drinkable water even less so.

>>134667707
>Fertile halfmoon

Hey now you can't just go literally translating from German around here.

It's the 'Fertile Croissant', I'll have you know.

>>134678297
Kek

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>>134678297
Do not bully the kraut about crescent.

>>134678297
Ah, you're right. It's Fertile Crescent.

>>134677830
>Where do those resources come from?

Planning.

A few decades ago they started to plant trees massively in Uruguay and in the western part of Argentina. Now we have excess water and flooding in the central regions, since winds blow from east to west.

In theory you could repeat something like that but with a desert region.

>>134677830
Seawater desalination plants fueled by fusion power plants when they become available soon™.

>>134674437
You just put a big ass straw and space will vacuum out all the bad gasses.

>>134655384
They did it in Israel by draining the Sea of Galilee

>>134655384
Look up Orania.
Whites only town in South Africa that they started in the middle of nowhere to escape niggers.
Pretty much turned a desert area into an oasis with irrigation.

>>134655384
it's called irrigation

>>134658501
The problem with Africa, right here in a nutshell. Anyone who does anything well for himself has all of his shit stolen from him by criminals or the government.

>>134678690
Well if you guys have the national unity to convince everyone to turn a desert shit hole into farmland then Godspeed. Trying to convince people in America to make places like Texas or New Mexico less shitty is no easy task, especially if it means water rationing or the cost of water goes up in general.

>>134678776
That in itself is a clusterfuck waiting to happen. The people who would need it won't have it because it'll be First World tech for as long as it's expensive to manufacture, which should be for about the next century. It'll go toward powering the gluttonous energy addict that is western society.

Things are going to get a lot worse before they get better I'm afraid.

>>134679337
>Well if you guys have the national unity to convince everyone


There was no national unity. Central regions had enough water before the trees were planted, now some parts are turning into swamps.

>>134679660
I'm speaking in reference to applying that concept elsewhere. Additionally, as you say such things can cause significant changes to local ecosystems. That'll displace wildlife, upset food chains, and potentially cause changes in how soil erodes and how rivers move. If you've got limestone pockets in the aquifer under your country they'll start to dissolve and turn into sinkholes too. The long term consequences can be disastrous for humans.

>>134667865
my boy Geoff Lawton knows whats up

>>134680073
Well it's not like deserts and very arid places are the primary habitat for humans. The places that get regreened are there to fullfill ecological purposes not to become settlement space

>>134671797
This is very true, the hand full of black africans who can achieve something soon find themselves on the wrong side of a chimp out and get fucked back to square one

>>134680919
But they already do play host to wildlife that is not present elsewhere. By regreening them you are assuring that many of the creatures who have evolved to function in a desert environment will no longer be suited to their environment and thus likely to go extinct as other animals move in. In the abstract it's not much different than burning a forest so you can farm the land it stands on.

>>134680937
Poor outliers

>>134681336
I never meant to imply every single piece of desert should be regreened, but there is an enourmous amount of areas that only became like they are now because of human (mis)usage. There is nothing wrong with regreening those

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Also those projects are usually done by convervatists. You might find the liberals there for a short internship to virture signal on the internet or at the more humanitarian stuff like food aid, but if you work with people to revitalize the land itself you find less of them.

>>134657896
/thread

>>134681814
Agree. But there's a danger of greening a space for nigs

>>134684014
If we'd quit feeding them and giving them medical aid, a shitload of them would die off. Not only does feeding them lead to even more children that we'll in turn have to either feed or let starve (this is not sustainable, and what cannot be sustained, won't be,) but it also allows the dumbest among them to shit kids out left and right.

>>134655384
https://permies.com/t/23351/Introduction-Land-Imprinting

>>134684523
>1950 Africa population ~200 million. Famines
>2017 Africa population ~1300 million. Famines

Make it stop.

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>>134684523
>>134684014
I know I know, but I think I won't be living long enough for actual population control to happen so for my legacy I wish to create as much greenery as possible. Probably will do more work in China anyway.
In the end I dont want to help the people but the land and life itself, even if that sound childish.

>>134684958
The west's economies are going to hit brick walls sooner than you think. We're not going to stop feeding them because of cold, hard logic. We'll stop because we won't be able to.

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>>134686007
I will do something, no matter what. I know it is a romantization of reality, but I think it will eventually end like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTvYh8ar3tc

But I have to go for now, have kept this thread alive for long enough. Goodnight.

>>134670403
Yes true. A desert is called a desert not because of sand or heat, but from lack of rainfall thanks to those jet streams and the rising air caused by mountains. They changed naturally and can't be unchanged. There is no tech that can move tectonic plates.

>>134657805
This. You need a nearby mountain range with regular snowpack to be able to create an irrigation system. Look at Utah and Idaho, areas that used to be sagebrush covered high desert were made fertile as early as the 19th century.

However, the prevalence of caliche soils in many desert areas prevents large-scale irrigation and farming. Its a monumental effort just to dig a building foundation in that rock hard shit let alone till a field.

>>134686499
Goodnight. Here are a couple of videos for you.

Gabe Brown on using things like cover crops and biodiversity to manage soil fertility:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yPjoh9YJMk

Restoration of the Loess Plateau:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QUSIJ80n50

David Montgomery on soil and soil erosion:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQACN-XiqHU

>>134673377
I am curious what the great basin would look like without the Sierras to make a rain shadow. But then again, idk if that desert beyond the immediate radius is caused by the mountains alone, because by that logic, wouldn't the Midwest plains be a barren desert due to the Rockies?

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>>134666775
>in the middle of winter, we got a funny email
>saying "we've got a problem"
>"we got fungus growing in the swale"
>well when we saw a photograph it was mushrooms
>they had never seen mushrooms before
>because they had never had that much humidity in living history

>>134688337
>wouldn't the Midwest plains be a barren desert due to the Rockies?
You would think, but the Midwest gets moist air from the Gulf of Mexico and Canada.

>>134688460
And healthy soil will have a lot of mycorrhizal fungi in it.

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>>134655384
here in peru our problem is this one >>134675692
we built irrigation channels that make big chunks of the coastal deserts into arable land, like the modern projects of Chavimochic or Majes-Siguas, but is a very old technice here, ancient actually, for like 6 milennia the natives made a fuck ton of irrigation channes leaving unrecognizable the original coastal desert.

pic related, it was all desert until a few years ago

>>134657200
It's mostly dry winds, Patagonia is the best example. The Andes works as a barrier for the wet Pacific winds. Chilean side is fertile because they get most of the rain, while Argentine side gets drier the easter you go until it becomes a barren desert.

>>134688460
Wew

>>134655384
manage the ph the water the nutrient content of the soil its realy simple

Instead of making it green and build on it humans should dig the desert and uncover the ancient alien cities lies beneath

>>134690955
impressive desu

>>134663069
https://youtu.be/fxEweP2TiMk

>>134696074
Ofc a Turk would suggest this.

>>134666775
wow
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>>134662099
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rain_follows_the_plow

>people still unironically believe this

>>134690955
woah

>>134698102
Except that the plow, at least when used conventionally, is bad for soil health. If any kind of agriculture is going to have a real effect on local climates, it is probably going to follow these four rules:

1) Minimal soil disturbance. Too much tilling or plowing is disruptive to the soil biology.
2) Biodiversity, biodiversity, biodiversity. Whether it be multiple crops interplanted, or multiple trees, don't grow just one species, and also incorporate animals in a way that mimics how animals interact in natural ecosystems.
3) Always keep the soil covered, be it with a canopy from trees, mulch from the residu of the last crop, a cover crop, or the crop itself
4) Always try to have a living root in the soil.

>>134663186
Fake news. Australia was always barren, abos barely made any impact

>>134660220
California was never desert.
It had seasonal growth.

The correct answer is Las Vegas.

I actually did it on a small scale, when I bought this house with a yard in some desert in Egypt, the previous house owner told me I can't grow shit in this yard because the soil , I didn't listen anyway.
started dumping compost and water into it daily plus some bags of fertile black soil, 4 years later the yard is a green mess, tomatoes,lettuce,legumes , you name it.
took alot of effort and time though.

>>134699070
Calm down there Jabongawonga, we're sorry about raping and murdering your ancestors, of course we don't really think you burned down the rainforests over 50,000 years instead of inventing the bow like every other civilization.

>>134655384
massive desertification effort as well as water demands.

Not even Africa cares enough about Africa.

>>134664350
There is a company that is fixing this issue for desert nations using 'nanoclay', a patented soil treatment method. Makes the ground retain moisture for five years after the application. After a few years there may be enough soil to grow trees which will alter weather patterns.

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>>134703339
Africa is already the most fertile land mass on the planet.

>Deserts (the hot and sandy kind) aren't inherently deserts cus of their position on the planet
Except they are

Look at where the major deserts of the world are, they're in bands running around the northern and southern hemispheres, with the equator sandwiched in between them. Now go learn about how the atmosphere circulates around the planet and how it coincides with the positions of the deserts.

You can do things that alter the size and extent of the deserts but you can't change the fact they exist.

>>134655384
>GLOBAL GREENING
GLOBAL GREENING
>GLOBAL GREENING
GLOBAL GREENING
>GLOBAL GREENING
GLOBAL GREENING

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCcLggcPcj0&t=206s