What is your opinion on the EU?

It desperately needed reform and most of that came from the Brits
Now that you are out there is no hope to reform it so I hope it crashes and burns in the next five years because it will only do damage to Europe from now on.

>>134639229
This.
Losing brits will hinder any reforms.

At some point EU turned in USSR 2.0 with huge bureocracy "commisars" and all that shit.

Also I doubt it can be saved, germany and france are shiting everything up.

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>>134639132

>Month too young to vote
>Brexit wins anyway

I'm a very happy boy

>>134639549
Remember we were shitting it up in 2004 according to the brits by letting you in.

That was also shitting it up according to based Europeans.

The EU has been shit for over a decade now.

>>134639568

>Probably would have been pro EU if the EU itself had a hard border and we were allowed own trade agreements

>>134639618
Well merkels imigration policy, pushing for more taxes. Bulshiting countries that decrased taxes (and got economic growth).

EWG was nice, EU wanted to follow up.. but as usual things got gerried.

The growth of burocracy is biggest cancer.

>>134639132
It triggers the eternal anglo, and that is good.

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>>134639229
>a sensible post by a German on the EU

what trickery is this?

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>>134639834
>he wants to genocide himself just to try and spite Brits

Wew

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>>134639837
I am just a German who realizes we are the problem and need to be genocided

I am only against the EU as long as it hurts the rest of Europe. If it kills us I am all for it.

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>>134639132

The demographic make up of Europe has been irreparably transformed by systematic fuck ups. If leaving the EU gave my homeland a chance of avoiding the same fate then I'd want to bail immediately.

>>134639132
I'm not happy with the status quo, but my hope is wit the brits leaving we can finally have tighter integration and more market control, rather than just a free trade union.

It's shit. V4 union when?

>>134640082
Why do you want more integration?

>>134640223
Unions go to shit fast.

Just keep our national integrity and work togheter without creating uneccesary union. We can solve all legal issues with multi sided deals.

So far V4 keeps its shit togheter, no reason to complicate stuff.

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>>134639132
Marxist dictatorship
Soviet Union 2.0

>>134640082
My sweet sweet kraut friend, your dream of a united Europe is a noble one but don't you understand that by supporting the EU you are actively advocating your own Genocide?

>>134640317
Name one thing wrong with German genocide.

>>134639132
I am appaled by how easy we give away our sovereignty. The thing my ancestors fought and died for multiple times.

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EU is an anti-democratic institution that is trying to destroy every member state with the importation of savages of which most of them will never integrate, are a security risk, will never contribute to the economy or social system by being unemployable, that increase the amount of crime and violence wherever they arrive and that clog the countries courts with the cheer volume of asylum requests.

Those invading ppl are for the most part illegal economic migrants, and are and will always be a deadly burden on the social systems of the nations of the EU, and when the sovereign debt pension fund crisis hits (leaving the already taxed healthcare systems, police forces and prisons without sufficient funds, as well as making the welfare the invaders receive and feel ENTITLED to evaporate into thin air), the invaders will probably outnumber natives in a lot of the EU nations and will already have already smuggled military grade type weapons such as AK47's and RPG's as well as hand grenades and chemical weapons into EU territory, so ultimately, the EU is bound to see a massive amount of blood being spilled outside of V4 because of the utter rotten decision by cunt Merkel to flood the EU with those ppl.

Will the blood bath stop with the invaders and not spill into getting retribution upon the ones responsible for the invasion when the SHTF? I don't believe so, as the levels of violence the natives will have to practice upon the migrants and will suffer (imagine those invaders with military grade weaponry, starving and outnumbering natives) in order to make them go back to their countries, or kill those who view the European countries their parents invaded as their own (those won't "go back" and only physical removal will suffice) probably make it so that disgruntled and betrayed by their own political leaders EU nations natives choose to go after them after the threat they imported is dealt with.

Read this shit, its worth it: http://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/

Read this pls:
http://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/epic-amygdala-trigger-discovered-fake-american/

>>134640260
universal human rights are good
>>134640317
I have no love for "my people" by whatever arbitrary quality you choose to define that group. I care about the life of the individual, not about the continued existence of a tribe. That is why the "white genocide" meme is not the same as actual genocide.

>>134640351
Touche

>>134639132
I want in and gibs, gib gibs pls

>>134639132
Fuck the EU. Tons of useless bureaucrats pushing their agenda. Especially European Commision needs to be purged.

>>134641095
EU may be good in the past, but right now it is loosing its purpose.

>>134639132
EU is awesome. Now we miss USSR and Reich even more. EU turn normies to racist and nationalist. Hating niggers and muslims is trendy as fuck now. Thank you.

>>134641277
>Hating niggers and muslims is trendy as fuck now. Thank you.

you act if its something wrong...

>>134641400
No. Not at all. It was wrong to speak badly about them few years ago. Now people understand. Invite them and have massive rape incidents. Before that it was like. We are all same and shit. Now ordinary people actualy agree with me. Too bad it will destroy UK, Germany and France.

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>>134641012
>universal human rights are good
You're a short sighted dumb shit mate, sorry to tell you, and feeling sorry that you are actually like that, because you're a FAKE HUMANITARIAN. You spew that human rights rhetoric but that same rhetoric you defend only results in MORE HUMAN SUFFERING. I'll explain you why:

You see, what you fail to understand is that resources are finite, and soon when the sovereign debt crisis hits (aka, the socialist ponzi scheme goes bust) you'll have a situation that consists of the following:

1- Pensions not being paid (results in ppl that depend on them to starve and not have money for medication (they're probably old)).

2- Healthcare having no funds so being even more taxed than it is already.

3- Police being even more underfunded.

4- Prisons being even more underfunded.

5- The social welfare that the illegal economic migrants (aka invaders) receive will vanish into thin air, and these invaders actually FEEL ENTITLED to those gibs, and ARE ABSOLUTELY GOING TO CHIMP OUT WHEN THEY ARE GONE.

6- By the time this happens, the invaders will already have smuggled MILITARY GRADE WEAPONS into the EU territory, and more and more no-go zones will be under the control of violent and very well armed groups of invaders.

Now, take all this into account, and tell me what do you think is going to happen when the starving, heavily armed, pissed off at getting no more gibs invaders that come from violent cultures and follow violent ideologies gonna do to ppl around them?

You are a FAKE HUMANITARIAN, you're a piece of shit that will make not only your ppl, but those MENA ppl suffer because of the result of defending them invading EU territory. You're a dumb cunt mate. Have a nice day cunt.

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>>134641645
V4 are not dumb because they are seasoned, suffered under the boot of communism and proximity with muds.

It's not that normal ppl will start to want muds exterminated, its just that they'll realise that proximity with them always results in war because their a shitty culture. Let them have their shitty culture in their countries, just leave us alone.

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>>134639132
Just send gibs and fuck off and nobody gets hurt

>>134639708
>probably thinks dogs would be pretty cool, if only they were cats.

>>134641868
I don't think any of this is going to happen. You seem to live in a very scary world. I hope you will be able to escape from it.

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>>134642010
The V4 are dumb. Half of the bloc are the most pro EU countries in Europe.

I love these Brits trying to pretend leaving EU was a good idea. What makes it even more funny is that they seriously think EU will break.

>>134642467
Only as long as they get money and don't have to do anything for it

The moment they are done with the EU they will not remember a single euro.

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>>134639132
without it we'd be at eachothers throats and with it we are left to the wolves.

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>>134642562
Pyramid schemes using shitskins as currency isn't a solid foundation for empire, Spurdo

>>134639917
You don't need to be genocided. You need better political leadership, we all do. Have to say it's a breath of fresh air to not see a German flag antagonizing us about Brexit though, good lad.

>>134642761
>good lad.
There are no good Germans. Please don't think I am excluding myself here just because I am shitting on the other Germans.
All Germans need to be gone. There is no middle ground.

>>134642562
>Brits
>leaving EU
When? Last I heard they'll take 20 years to prepare to enforce borders and that was the #1 reason for Brexit. Their politicians sold them out. Brexit is a meme.

>>134642562
Your rules are made for you in Brussels. I don't have to listen to a non-country's opinion.

FUCK THE EU

We will never be in this Scum Union of fucktards and SJW Leftist anti Gun Scum shit (TRIGGERT.exe)

>>134642919
Brexit was always going to take a few years. Instead of taking the piss why do t you grow some balls and leave as well? You won't because you can't - your country is a parasite just like all other Slavs.

>>134642999
Based Swiss. I feel sorry for you being surrounded by massive retards.

>>134639618
Nah, no-one thinks that they should have been kept out of the EU, we just think that Blair was a globalist cuck and Shroeder and Chirac were massive fucking hypocrites who called us "bad Europeans" when they were the ones blocking slav immigration until all the Poles were safely in Britain.

>>134643032
Why are you so antagonistic? It would help you a lot and make trade talks easier if other EU members also left. But instead of making allies of them you are insulting them.

>>134643032
Drope the meme flag.
Stop the HURR DURR UR COUNTRY faggotry.
Present a proper argument.
Then we'll talk.

>>134643084
Are you a soft brexit cuck?

>>134643120
m8, that guy isn't the negotiator, he's just some neet in his bedroom.

>>134642467
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-05/most-poles-prefer-banning-muslims-to-eu-membership-poll-shows
We love the idea of European cooperation, it's just that it's used to do stupid shit.

>>134643331
>We love the idea of European cooperation
Well I hope you learned your lesson and realized to never do that again with western Europe

>>134639132
>United States of Europe
No I am not satisfied with the EU.
Am I satisified with our country's politicians? No.
Are they basically the same lazy boomer bunch blaming everything on ECB, Draghi, whatever? Yes.

I want the EU reformed, reset and these lazy politicians removed asap.
I want a fiscal union where stronger countries like Germany provide for the weak and I want a USE army the starship troopers way.
I want dumbos whose only obsession is to obstruct and try to kill the EU in general removed and punished.
I want Brits and their cherrypicking removed.
I want Poles and their disgusting attitude of taking EU money without taking EU responsibility like fucking bums removed and or punished / sanctioned.
HEIL USE!

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>>134642382
>I don't think any of this is going to happen. You seem to live in a very scary world. I hope you will be able to escape from it.

Typical atrophied amygdala individual response.

>You seem to live in a very scary world.
We both do, but you're incapable of seeing it at the moment (you're brain and psychological configuration isn't allowing you to).

>Lets try to change that.
I'm not happy that I know I'm right, but it is true.

>1- Pensions not being paid
http://www.independent.ie/business/world/german-pensions-crisis-is-warning-to-rest-of-the-world-35535691.html
https://www.ft.com/content/3ceb364c-191d-11e6-b197-a4af20d5575e
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christian-darr/migration-could-be-an-opp_b_10129850.html

>2- Healthcare having no funds
http://www.bbc.com/news/health-38899811
>He contributes 7% of his salary before tax and his employers match that amount.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-03-31/german-unemployment-falls-to-new-record-low-as-economy-booms
BUT
http://www.politico.eu/article/most-germany-migrants-fail-to-get-jobs-unemployment/
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/745147/million-immigrants-Germany-few-find-jobs-migrant-crisis
>invasion results in net draining of social system overtime (aka, more ppl are using and less percentage of user are contributing to the system)

3- Police being even more underfunded
https://www.rt.com/news/354942-german-police-funding-equipment/
>the more the invader drain the system, the worse it gets

4- Prisons being even more underfunded
https://books.google.pt/books?id=psu-DgAAQBAJ&pg=PA173&lpg=PA173&dq=prisons+germany+underfunded&source=bl&ots=KB0UcvoZgU&sig=HeTq-sP1BHhhi-RNEYejqomatWs&hl=pt-PT&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjbuOWCr5_VAhVNsBQKHbUCArYQ6AEIQjAD#v=onepage&q=prisons%20germany%20underfunded&f=false
>well fug

5- The social welfare that the illegal economic migrants (aka invaders) receive will vanish into thin air
>When the system goes bust this will happen (no money)

>>134643120
Because I'm fucking sick of Europeans moaning about the EUfor years and then as soon as we actually tell the EU to fuck off they start attacking us. Fuck the lot of you. We don't need Europe and we never did. We are seafarers.

>>134643474


>http://huffingtonpost com/christian-darr/migration-could-be-an-opp_b_10129850.html
https://archive.is/bEO2c
>http://politico eu/article/most-germany-migrants-fail-to-get-jobs-unemployment
https://archive.is/otueS

>>134643234
There's no such thing as soft Brexit. There's staying in the EU and its institutions and leaving.

I swear to my Country if we are ever want to go in the EU, i make a Fucking Rebellion, if they Want to ban us Guns i make a Rebelion, we are a Great old Country and we will never Surrender to EU-SJW leftist scum!
Semper Fidelis!

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>>134643482
>WE WUZ SEAFARAZ
Yes like 100 years ago. Now you are nothing but a tiny desolate island with fever dreams.
I seriously hope you will never be allowed to enter the EU ever again.

>>134643566
Swiss are part of the EFTA because they want to be part of the single market. Which also means they get the immigration.

That would easily be possible for you and would mean you are "TECHNICALLY" not part the EU. That is what people call a soft brexit.

A nation which strives to cut the strings of usury, to become truly financially independent, to NOT be born into debt, to live a life of indentured servitude and debt slavery, to become a nation unbeholden to a handful of people wielding Godlike powers... are evil incarnate.

But a European Union which acts as nothing more than a financial bloc to further enrich the already insanely wealthy, moving more power and control into fewer hands, is a great idea which everyone should support.

sounds legit

>>134639132
When do we get in?

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>>134642382
Lets continue:

>6- By the time this happens, the invaders will already have smuggled MILITARY GRADE WEAPONS into the EU territory, and more and more no-go zones will be under the control of violent and very well armed groups of invaders.
They have them:
http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/european-union-isis-has-chemical-and-biological-weapons/2015/12/07/
http://www.newsweek.com/isis-militants-chemical-weapons-attack-soldiers-iraq-585174
They can get in:
http://www.politico.eu/article/german-intelligence-warns-of-is-hit-squads-among-refugees/
>Official says country has to accept it is home to terror ‘sleeper cells.’
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/06/world/europe/germany-refugees-isis.html


Welcome to the real world, and it is, indeed, a scary place. Liberalism is all based on lies and falsehood presented as fact in order to appeal to your wish to feel safe. You can choose to open your eyes to the truth and see that liberalism is FAKE HUMANITARIANISM, or you can choose to not face the truth and not fight against the LIES and FALSENESS of liberalism. It's your choice, perhaps you'll feel like the world needs more people to open its eyes to the truth, I hope so.

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Get me the fuck out. Unified Scandinavian country w h e n?

>>134639132
I hope it ends soon

>>134643845
>A nation which strives to cut the strings of usury, to become truly financially independent, to NOT be born into debt, to live a life of indentured servitude and debt slavery, to become a nation unbeholden to a handful of people wielding Godlike powers...
Which nation exactly would that be?

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>>134642646
It is what it is, we need to have nationalism in the member nations, get out and then work together against common threats. Live and learn, leave and learn.

It would make a nice anti-EU hashtag, #LeaveAndLearn

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>>134643673
We're a global trading nation. Your country's weird obsession with the continent and nothing else has destroyed your country twice. I will celebrate the third time when the German is finally extinguished.

>>134644041
>nationalism in the member nations
>then work together
UNITING is the exact fucking problem. No together. We shouldn't even talk to each other anymore.

>>134643712
We have no appetite for that. We're not staying in the single market because we want our own deals.

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>>134643405
>I want to buy out other countries sovereignty, like it is exactly happening right now.
Fuck you ya cunt.

>>134644168
Good.
I am gonna miss English fish but I guess the Japanese will have to do.
I approve how quickly they jumped in and saw their chance.

>>134644237
Honestly have fun with your union. Do what you will with it, it's not our problem anymore.

We have the world including our Anglo brothers across the seas. You have Poles and Lithuanians. Good luck.

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FUCK THE SOCIALIST DEATH PANEL EU! DEATH TO PRO EU YOUTH!

>>134644383
No reason to attack the poles you rude cunt.

>>134644136
Against common threats. You need exportations and importations and shit like that. We could have an economical agreement so we could more easily buy products from each other like we do now but without the nonsense of having no border security.

>>134639132
EEC was GOAT, then it all started to go downhill since Maastricht

>>134643178
Brexit is a process, not a one off event. It being painful/costly/whatever for us now, or for a few decades, doesn't make it a bad choice for us to have made.

Our politicians didn't sell us out, they along with the media, "business leaders", multi-nationals etc, were openly pro-remain, as they have been for decades.

Their interests are not the same as mine, and what is "good" for the national economy is not the same as being economically good for the majority of people who live here.

The status quo is not sustainable for much longer, and you're a fool if you think you are safe and the future decided because you are members of the EU.

>>134639132
best thing ever since sliced bread.

>>134639132
EU DELENDA EST
EURO DELENDA EST
EEC OK

>>134639132
Reform the Shit out of it or replace it with something that actually works.

There is not going to be any Brexit in the end. UK political elites will shit it up so badly so that the time will come when the idea of scrapping the Brexit will have little opponents. Political elites will weasel out of respecting what the pople voted for and go forwards according to their own agenda. That's all. If there was any intention of truly exiting the EU, a very hard Brexit would already be underway.

>>134644383

Nothing wrong with the majority or hardworking Poles desu

I've never had a problem with Euies coming over here grafting.

My problem is with fucking Fabio from Italy who works in Starbucks for 12 hours a week, then needs a housing benefit, income support benefit and additional handouts.

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>>134644111
Sure, Kevin, you wuz global trade nation and shiiiet!!
Have you had a look at your country lately?
The empire is long gone, you are stuck in the past like all you degenerates.
You are NOTHING now, a shitstain with an economy in decay and a parallel society of radical muslims fucking up your country every few weeks.
The only trade you make money with is financials and your institutes already plan to move to Frankfurt or Paris.
Brits are all the same, retarded dreamers stuck in WW2.
Your empire is gone, you are no seafaring nation of the commonwealth, you are a shitstain with delusions.
Your children will ask what happened back then, mark my words.
Your stupidity disgusts me, Kevin.

>>134644673
You know, when new taxes are introduced or existing ones raised, there's never a several years 'period of adjustment' or any similar crap. It quickly comes into effect. Everything else are just empty BS stories and apologetics. I wrote why Brexit will not happen in any way, shape or form in the end >>134644837

>>134644213
>I want to be bought and get money but not give anything in return
These are treaties the polish subscribed themselves or what are you stuttering about, mong sherlock?

>>134644673
Great poast m8.

>>134644997
You know this kind of put down would be awesome coming from any other country but it disgusts me seeing it from a german.

Maybe it is brainwashing but germans shouldn't be allowed to be this nationalistic. Even on /pol/

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>>134644997
Your country is still occupied by mine lol

>>134645113
I am not nationalistic, Germany fucked up big time.
They made money by having a devaluated Euro (Brits were too retarded to profit from it and wanted to keep GBP) but don't want to share.
They themselves are partially responsible for making Brits react like paranoid retards.

>>134644997
>a parallel society of radical muslims fucking up your country every few weeks.
Thats Germanistan 2 for you.

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>>134644461
>A German telling people not to attack the poles

>>134639132

The EU needs to collapse German cunts are ruining Europe as usual. This time they know they cannot dominate via war and have made a fake representative bureaucracy they dominate with various coalitions of their puppet states.

>>134645041
>adjusting some taxes is totally the same as reversing 40+ years of integration and subservience to a unique and foreign system of continental governance.

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>>134645263
>Your country is still occupied by mine lol

Your country is occupied by Pakis lol

>>134645309
Germany has had its fair share as well, but if you seriously want to compare that to british levels you are deluding yourself and we both know.

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>>134645446
>says New Turkey

You literally have posters in your country telling Arabs how to impregnate German women lmao

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>>134645605

Your Pakis don't need instructions for impregnating your minors lmao

>>134645605
>>134645656
Wow. This race to the bottom cuck fight sure is productive.

>>134639229
Hasn't the EU (or rather the Euro) been massively profitable for Germany though, in terms of opportunity to trade/export with surrounding countries?

>>134645411
I never said that it was of the same magnitude. IDK if you're trolling or actually didn't get my point. If UK political elite was serious about the Brexit, a series of concrete steps would ATM be in effect. If nothing else then the moratorium on immigration if only to show the EU that britbongistan is srs bzns and willing to respect the wishes of the majority of voters. The fact is the UK really has the position to make a hard Brexit and that other nations in EU would follow if it dragged on so EU would quietly capitulate and be done with it. If UK intentionally shits up and fails the Brexit, anyone else in EU currently thinking of exiting will give up. That's the whole point of the charade currently going on.

>>134645733
It was originally made to hold us back and if we had the Mark left we would be better off

We just reworked our country so the Euro works for us. So the French plan backfired.

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>>134645497
>has had
>had
KEKEKEKEKEKEK, yes, I'm the delusional one here, right pal.

>>134639132
EU is top 10 anime betrayals of all time

A jewish org made to control the money flaw and trading of all Europe's countries and pass anti nationalistic laws to keep the nations fighting each other

If you are not against the shady EU tactics you need to rethink your positions

>>134645781
I see your point but we've already said we're leaving the single market. We're leaving the EU, that's inevitable.

The only worry is that our government will still import pakis. But that's our own domestic issue. That doesn't mean Brexit was a bad idea. We've dealt with cucks in europe so now we just need to deal with cuck at home.

>>134645993
Brexit was the right move, don't let yourself tell otherwise ever
Desperate times call for desperate measures, we have to fight back no matter the blackmail and the consequences the kikes cook up for us

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>>134645993
Agreed.

>>134645879
>has
>had
fair share of muslim attacks.
Learn to read.
Why are you stepping in to suck brit dick, you are third world yourself.

>>134645993
>we dealt with cucks like kangz n shiiet!
Cucks dealt with you and that's the bitter truth.
You have been played by your politicians and that's about it, sherlock.

>>134645781
The UK political elite doesn't want brexit to succeed. It's not really a secret, our current Prime Minister campaigned "remain" ffs. Why do you treat them with any credulity?

>>134646215
He is saying more will come.

>>134645993
>We're leaving the EU, that's inevitable
I truly wish that it were so. I'd be glad for you Brits. Screencap this post and mark my words, UK elite will shit up the Brexit to the insane level so only a very vocal minority will oppose the idea of scrapping Brexit altogether when such an idea is introduced. Too many elites invested way too much to allow a few people to fuck everything up with a referendum.

>>134646540
See >>134646629

>>134646619
Of course more will come, one would be naive to assume otherwise.
The future won't be a walk in the park for sure.

>>134646629
>UK elite will shit up the Brexit to the insane level
Even if they do that enough bridges have been burned on both sides that they will have to leave the EU now.

Article 50 has been triggered and there is no sign they will stay in the EU or single market

>>134639132
If the EU wasn't so power hungry and controlled by Kikes it wouldn't be so bad

>>134639229
This

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>>134646215
I'm getting the fuck out to Poland as soon as I make 5 years in the FFL. Gonna join in 9 to 16 months, so if I don't die serving the French I will have some moneys to open a business in Poland (weapon store with a shooting range and a tactical shooting obstacle course would be sweet, we'll see).

>>134646719
>extrawurst
They were a waste of time all along.
All they could do was cherrypicking and blocking essential structural reforms.
They were even way too stupid to profit from a devaluated Euro like germany, what else is there to add?
I wish they would not flinch like bitches like they always do and just leave.

>>134646922
Good luck anon.

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>>134646727
THIS

I Propose an EU V2.

Only the UK, France and Germany may join, maybe Norway and Sweden too, but no free movement with those 2 and France and Germany must elect new leaders.

>>134639132
Reform, if it collapses we are all fucked

>>134647024
Fuck you. You should not want a union with us ever again. You idiot. Learn from your fucking mistakes.

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>>134646983
Thanks Germanbrah.

>>134647046
THIS.
People severely underestimate the magnitude of this habbeding.
>divide & conquer

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>>134639132
im okay with it as long as it gives us gibs
suck it first world

>>134639132

Hard to tell, I have mixed thoughts about the EU. I like the general idea of it and I even agree with its current implementation but all this exoticism among the top brass is seriously taking a toll on the continent. Come to think of it, this has happened with all European empires in the past. Our fucking obsession with the world "out there" bites us in the ass again and again. This idea of a world community is laughable when the world can offer us absolutely nothing in return. I still believe in some kind of redemption, though.

>>134639132

No more social policies.
No more "integration", refugee quotas.
No more "European identity".

Basically just an economic/trade union + military alliance + free movement between the states = 10/10 EU.

>>134643474
But all of these aren't due to inherent lack of ressources, they are due to not propperly taxing those who have the most.

>>134639132
The singular market is a compelling argument to keep it, yet it desperately needs reformation.

We need to go back to an EEG-like system and keep it a strict economical system.

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>>134647046
It will m8, how the fuck can you sustain having a single currency without having consolidated debt? EU is already controlling the budgets of the members because ECB buys most of the EU members debt, but surprise surprise, the countries are going to default (sovereign debt pension fund crisis) and the ECB measures of the last decade to stimulate the economy by lowering the interest rates is making it so that the pension funds can't even face the corrosion of inflation (and surprise surprise, without being able to issue more debt, how the fuck do you pay for the pensions when more and more ppl are added to the system (you now see how socialism is a 56d ponzi scheme)). ITS ALL GONNA COME CRASHING DOWN, THAT IS THE REAL BLACK-PILL. That being said, prepare as well as you can so you survive the shitstorm thats coming. RIDE THE TIGER #YOLO

>>134639132
I'd love to leave the EU, make some treaties with Britain, build a dam in the schelde and wait how fast the EU will be asking for access to the Rotterdam haven at 500% rates.

>>134646700
The point you are missing is that the status quo is not on offer. No-one will be members of the current EU for much longer.

In short, it has to take the next step towards the ever present goal of "ever closer political union between the peoples of Europe". Fixing the euro currency alone changes the EU from what it is to something fundamentally different.

Britain will not scrap Brexit. More likely we will stay in as "associate members" or some such nonsense, where we pretend to leave but remain more in than any other country in the world. Perhaps Turkey will be offered the same.

But it's a process, not an event. It doesn't ever end up as anything, and certainly not with the EU as it is.

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>>134639618
>Remember we were shitting it up in 2004 according to the brits by letting you in.

Yes and they were right, so apologize to bongs tyvm.

>>134647579
You are retarded our biggest trade partner is Germany

>>134647559
>fiscal union
>united states of europe
What you describe is the ECB becoming the unquestioned financial heart of Europe with a cellar full of toxic paper waste taking care of the european debt crisis by inflation.
Sounds like a great plan, glad the UK won't be part of this, saves us a lot of money.

>>134647316
To bad the corrupt eurocucks are never going to admit being wrong and will never backpedal on their shitty suicidal policies.

>>134647639
>The point you are missing is that the status quo is not on offer. No-one will be members of the current EU for much longer.
Except that the politicians in all EU countries are bought and paid for. There will be no significant reform of the EU and Brexit will be scrapped in a year or two after the support for it sufficiently dies down. I wish I was wrong but I'm not.

>>134639132

It went to shit the moment it stopped being a trade union.

All it should have done is set a minimum trade standard for all consumables and goods and nothing else with the EU commission hiring people to cover the oversight.

Anything more was tantamount to suicide for the EU including the free movement of people, which only Germany benefited from as they were the only manufacturing base in the EU that needed more low earning populace.

a more sophisticated ussr. i hope this cancerous union collapses

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by the shabbat's early light.

why is the US so cucked compared to Israel?

>>134647824
Can you name a few of those suicidal policies? Just interested. Or is it simply muh immigration?
A controlled influx of young workforce is essential, there is no way around it. Say thanks to the boomers generation and children.
If this system collapsed because of our aged society drowning in debt ISIS will be least part to worry about, trust me.
What you don't get is this:
This is a timed solution to bridge the gap until all of these boomers suddenly leave the job market and then die off.
Jobs for everybody, demographics corrected.
Everyday thousands die of wrong medication and not by getting axed in a train, just saying.

>>134644997
LOL Hans getting all edgy over here. Have fun whilst your pathetic "nation" gets invaded and destroyed for the hundredth time. Seriously what has germany ever actually achieved other than getting ass fucked in wars? It's got to the point where you won't even question your demise. Also how does it feel having your main bank in absolute fucking disarray? Not only that but it operates in London and New York. Does it feel good to know your central bank is being run by anglos? Your country's always been cucked and it always shall be.

>>134647446
There is no singular market. There is the german market which has an unfair competeove advantage because italy spain and greece cannot inherently adjust the price of their labor, thus get bought out by germany, and german taxes fed back into the least efficient of PIIGS industries

The .e.u will turn europe into china in economy and CULTURE.

CHhyna has basically been awful for 500 years because of their stupid insistence on keeping this huge area filled with different people and dofferent iqs together.

The .e.u will be thr death of the white race by subjecting our race to the needs of bureaucratic paperwork

KILL your boomers. Ive never met a single euro eu proponent over 30 who didnt hold his nose high in the air because of his liberal arts degree and propensity to read print media written at a high school level

Europebhas slid so far backward its disgusting. TAIWAN has a higher avg income than germany now, the dutch reject the idea of markets, they praise regulatiry capture, have no conception of gistory before ww1, and the french talk about how rich they are on their 20k euro salaries.

You are all sick in the head

>Are you happy with the status quo? Do you want to leave like the Brits? Or do you want to stay and try and reform it?

The EU is flooding Europe with muslim immigrants, of course I'm not happy with that.
The ship for reform has sailed when Merkel fucked up the immigrant crisis. Either all of the EU gets transformed into a Europeans first way of government, which is very unlikely, since the EU is run by globalists, or it will die when all the Eastern European countries leave.

>>134648173
What are you even talking about, Deutsche Bank?
You are stuck in the past, don't make me laugh.
You still think Deutsche Bank is like where everybody puts his money over here?
Or are you talking about the ECB which actually is our cental bank now?
Much more interesting: If you are so much into ww2 financials how does it feel seeing the one sector you made money with slowly leaving the sinking ship?

>>134648094
Mostly because of them buying our politics

>>134648299
Buy rifles from the czechs and start arming militias

This is your last chance.

Ffs a rifle capable of downing a heli is less rhan 6k euros. Do your duty

>>134639132
So far the EU has been good to me. Allowed me to live and work in 6 different EU nations, no hassle with visa and work permit.

EU scientific bodies put out competitive grants, I managed to snatch a few of them, looks good on my CV.

Keeps prices down since we have cheap eastern europeans doing the dirty work - and they're happy living with 9 others in a shitty little house, earning next to nothing and drinking Lech all day.

I don't see any bad here.

>>134647866

>Flag

Why would anyone listen to, let alone believe you?

>>134647866
Bought and paid for by a system that cannot survive as it is. Of course not reform, what would they want to change? If it's so simple as you think, Brexit gets scrapped etc, what happens with uk and euro membership?

And you do realise that words like "Brexit" and "reform" are used because they are so vague as to be essentially meaningless, don't you?

>>134648540
Tiptop boomer posting

The eu is great because it allows parents to abandon their children to rape gang and collect their pension on a greeo beach

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>>134647363
>But all of these aren't due to inherent lack of ressources, they are due to not propperly taxing those who have the most.

You're dumb as shit son, I bet you're a commie.

1st point:
You seem to think that there are infinite "those who have the most" (aka: infinite money) in a given country. FALSE. Raise the taxes to much and the capital will flee, so you raise the taxes and past a certain point you actually have a diminished tax revenue (aka, you can't just raise taxes in order to make it not be real that RESOURCES ARE LIMITED in the real world outside of socialist/communist fairy tails).

2nd - Who determines "those who have the most"? Gov's always become to bloated to be manageable and they NEVER admit they are the problem. Their mismanagement and corruption makes it so that eventually EVERYONE gets chocked by CRUSHING taxes and still nothing works.

Do you really want to know why if you're a liberal you're a FAKE HUMANITARIAN? Because socialism/communism isn't about helping the poor, it's about selling out the country and the future generations for more votes in the present, because leftists promises are IMPOSSIBLE TO SUSTAIN (socialism is a ponzi scheme), but the leftist cunts made socialist promises to get elected, and WANT AN INVASION OF SOCIAL SYSTEM LEACHES because they'll vote for them.

You've been lied to all your life son. Embrace the truth and help find REALISTIC SOLUTIONS so you can STOP BEING A FAKE HUMANITARIAN.

The govs are doing this same shit ever since before the roman empire. It will happen all over the West.

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/taxes/city-of-seattle-runs-out-of-things-to-tax-now-wants-to-impose-income-tax/

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/taxes/the-hunt-for-money-the-more-things-change-the-more-they-stay-the-same/

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/taxes/germany-secretly-passed-total-surveillance-of-everything/

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/category/world-news/taxes/

>>134648572
Ignorance is refreshing but he is probably right.
If you had a Brexit referendum right now there would be no chance to win it and we both know.
This was a fever dream back then fueled by Trump and your own politicians making it seem as if millions of immigrants were sitting right at your fence watching the outcome of the election.
You simply have been played!

>>134648589
>what happens with uk and euro membership?
UK returns to the state it was in before the Brexiters won the referendum. The only reason it happened is because UK elites were wrong in estimating it would fail.

>>134648802
>UK returns to the state it was in before the Brexiters won the referendum.
You are crazy if you think the politicians are not going to try and save face via a soft brexit.

>tfw kind of want to live in Austria but then I'd be in the EU with a bunch of pussy socialists with high diesel prices.
Fug mates. Austria was nice, too.

>>134639132
Just leave already so the sheep in my country can see you're still comfy without the EU and we can NEXIT.

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>>134642562
Ya think you're hot shit, dontcha?!

>>134648939
Tbh even the shitty parts of europe like spain and italy were nice compared to just anout anywhere today

In 8vyears its going to be illegal to have a straight son in a hous8ng complex where knives arent shoved in his face daily

>>134648802
I mean the Euro currency? You know, that thing all EU countries HAVE to adopt, but that UK had a special, uncertain veto over? The currency that will ruin the rest of you unless you all sign up to the single Euro tax and spend policy that people won't vote for?

What happens here if UK just gives up on Brexit?

>>134648411
That's my point. You guys don't even have a proper bank you own anymore. You are literally slaves to people you didnt vote for lol. Also uk economy is doing great, unemployment is the lowest it's been in donkeys. I got myself a summer job the day I applied for it. I'm in the running for loads of posts grad job opportunities as well for next year. Working has really never been easier in the UK. And living costs havent really changed at all. But yeah keep believing in your EU propaganda, we are "definitely struggling" over here lol.

>>134647937
This

>>134647987
And this

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>>134639132

My opinion
How to reform? End it

>>134647756
>taking care of the european debt crisis by inflation
Dude, when the ECB stops printing money and has no more cash to bid on member states debt, what do you think is going to happen to those debts? You think quantitative easing can go on forever? The whole thing is going to go BOOM.

But please do argue your point as I can't see how you think this situation is a good thing.

>>134649124
You are struggling, just not vis a vis continental europe.

Living standards scrape new bottoms every year

Readily available slave collars does mot mean your economy is doing well

>>134646629
Politicians would unironically get Jo Coxed if that were to happen (it won't).

We're leaving the EU. Just accept it and try and liberate your own nation instead of worrying about ours.

>>134649457
You are gonna want to be wary of the fog in a pot tactic

Leacing the eu will relieve just emough pressure for them to regain control

Even macron is oppposing african migration

>>134649345
Except living standards are not down. And if you call all work "slavery" then I have bad news for you lol. The "economy" isn't "doing well" is some bullshit the krauts and Jews are feeding you. Not a single person in my extended family is out of education or unemployed. Everyones living standards are swell and communities are carrying on just fine. Stop believing the propaganda.

>>134649124
Enjoy while it lasts.
Believe it or not I think Draghi is one of the last patriotic europeans.
You are fooled by politicians to blame ECB for everything, ECB is the symptoms not the cause.

>>134648719
Brexit happened before Trump you mong. If anything our victory led to his.

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>>134648113
>Can you name a few of those suicidal policies?
Well, here in Portugal EU policies destroyed our primary sector and a part of our industries. Given that our budget is controlled by the EU we suffer from massive under funding of police (we have public safety police (PSP) cops in the capital of Lisbon without any kind of working car and hacing to take buses to go attend calls, we have guys who run from prison and then post shit about cops on their facebooks, we have dudes who are in prison making facebook posts while smoking joints, etc). Many funds to stimulate job creation never get to the companies so they get fucked, sometimes is the workers that get fucked, its bad.

Any member of the EU is not sovereign anymore, their budget are controlled by the ECB, but that dog ain't gonna hunt for long.

>>134648890
>You are crazy if you think the politicians are not going to try and save face via a soft brexit.
The whole point of that process, as we are witnessing it ATM is to shit up the idea so bad it will fail on the new referendum. Give it a year or two of scaremongering and media sapping the will of the people. Standard EU practice is to repeat the fucking vote until you get the result you want and then consider that vote the final one.

>>134649102
Unified currency was necessary to prevent currency manipulation wars between member states. The project will continue on. A few million europeans starving to death isn't really important to the political elite. They can always create a new migrant crisis and import new drones. And don't worry, UK will get the Euro too. A lil' bit of demographic warfare, a lil+ bit of gummint education and voila. You got enough votes to support adopting the Euro currency. All of this is a project that was started a long time ago and will continue long after we're dead. Rome wasn't built in a day. Neither will be Brussels rule European Empire.

>>134649303
QE worked in the US, european markets are recovering.
ECB can print as much money as they want as long as they keep inflation targets in mind.
QE is NOT printing money, you got that one wrong.
It's one of the main mistakes by guys like you.
The only thing making the EU go boom is retardism , populism and fearmongering.

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>>134639132
Has to disappear.

>>134649787
Repeating the vote and intimidation may work in piss any non-countries like Ireland but Brits would see through it. Our entire history consists of standing up to continental bullies so don't think we'd fall for the same trick as Eroweenies do who know nothing other than serfdom.

>>134649683
The country is more dangerous than its ever been, housing is more expensive than its ever been since enfiefment, taxes are highest as a percentage, welfare moochers have higher net income than workers

Are you stupid?

"Bad" does not mean turkey levels. But by any historical standard its bad

Do you relish the idea of needing yo send your kid to a 30k pound per year school in order for your kidto not get stabbed?

Why is it always german flags shilling for the EU? Top kek

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>>134639132
CRUSH THE EU

MAKE EUROPE NAZI AGAIN

>>134649810
Take an economics class. The EU is in the middle of a currency and debt crisis. Tick tock.

>>134649717
You are kidding, it was right in that upsurge of Trump, he even stated that he supported Brexit.
One of his many lies during campaigning.
And you guys? You thought this was the breaking point, the big revolution and we both know.
pol was full of it.
Reality is: you achieved nothing but sticking your own dick up your ass which is quite an achievement by itself.

>>134649457
>Just accept it and try and liberate your own nation instead of worrying about ours
>instead of worrying about ours
That's the point, my man. There's only 4,2M of us with crappy economy and 0 geopolitical influence. If a mighty nation like UK was really into Brexit and did it properly, maybe we'd have a chance in the aftermath. I have no love for the EU. I'd love if your elite was serious but it isn't.

>>134649810
It only benefits Germany. And you even bully with your migrants the ones who are ok with it cause not in the € like Poland.
Fuck off

>>134648113
>A controlled influx of young workforce is essential, there is no way around it.
They are not getting jobs, and never will. The influx will always lead to a negative net effect on the system. The system WILL collapse, and its NOT A BUG, ITS A FEATURE of socialism (that's why it is a ponzi scheme, its NOT SUSTAINABLE by definition).

Good vid about this shiiiiiiiiiiet:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1j4i5pVt_A

>>134649901
Your entire history consists of spreading he french revolution further after the french had decided it was mistake. Piss off.

>>134650011
No-one cared what Trump thought because no-one thought he'd win. Then we beat the odds which made Americans think they could too. Farage literally went over there saying 'we won, so can you'. You're thinking backwards m8.

>>134648113
>A controlled influx of young workforce is essential, there is no way around it.
I'd rather starve than allow a single muslim into this country.

>>134649719
You blame the ECB for corrupt politicians making quicksanding all that money?
Way to go.
That's why even with a Portexit you will achieve nothing at all, see UK.
The real enemy is still among us and it's corruption, lazyness and greed.

>>134640082
>>134640260


Why do you want more integration? Universal human rights aren't a answer, we have the UN, tribunal of Hague and INTERPOL for that

>>134649901
You are currently being replaced by more malleable voters. Even if all immigration into UK were to immediately stop this instant, in 50 years the voting populace will be drastically different.

It's nice that you have some national pride. God knows you Brits had a huge influence on the 'western' culture but you should temper your pride with a bit of realism.

>>134650026
The elite want to stay in but they know it would be suicide because the populace are angry and baying for blood. Gina Miller took the government to court over Brexit and all she achieved was making Brexit enshrined in law and getting death threats from based Brexiteers.

>>134648667
I'm a bit too young to be a boomer, and Greece wasn't on my list yet. I don't see why people aren't take more advantage of the EU. I assume because they're just not informed enough (or don't want to be) take full advantage.

If you want to sit there and rage about it, fine. I'll be out there, earning money and living in the meanwhile.

>>134650160
Nobody thought you would win the Brexit as well.
You are delusional for not being able to connect those two events, anglo.

>>134650149
What are you talking about you stupid chink, we're still a monarchy and the French are republicans.

>>134640351

To see the heirs of Charlemagne and Bismarck reduced to this is saddening

>>134650388
Both cucks who I would abort from history if I could.

>>134649970
>implying anyone wants to speak sandnigger
get your own house in order before coveting land that isn't yours
come here again and I'll personally put a .45 through your skull

>>134650353
You're retarded. Brexit happened before Trump got elected. It's like saying WW2 caused WW1. You're clearly a Turk as Germans aren't that stupid.

>>134649945
>>134649945
The violent crime rises are because of the influx of "refugees" merkel keep an bringing in. Crime is up throughout Europe lol. Also my little sister is doing fine at school and so are my cousins. Also the housing bubble will burst, it's a cycle that's happened before and will happen again. Honestly rent isn't even that high, it's just first time buyers that will need to wait a few years before putting a mortgage down. Stop believing the jews propoganda!!!

>>134650280
None of that means we're not leaving the EU. I'm getting the sense you're just jealous that once again we're the only country with the balls to take on a psychopathic Germany.

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>>134639132
It is good, but germany has to take the leadership over the EU and enforce nationalist laws

>ban niggers/sandniggers from the EU, to initiate large resettlement, just stop the gibs to the nigs
>niggers and sandnogs may no longer enter the EU
>trade ties with muzzie/nigger states are totally shut down
>no more technology exported to muzzie/nigger states
>ban christendom and enforce the respective pagan religions throughout Europe
>get rid of marxism
>get rid of bureaucrats
>EU army is handed over to germany and any state that refuses to the laws given by germany will be attacked

>>134650329
Ah, yeah its really great for the older people who enjoy contractual advantages in socialism

Lucky you. Kids will be killing heir own parents soon

>>134650374
Napoleon was their new defacto monarch and was uniting central and western europe under an anti republican dynasty before you united hree continental armies against him

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>>134649689
>Draghi is one of the last patriotic europeans.
>Patreotic
>European
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>134650300
And in 2 years? After the 'tragically' unsuccessful negotiations with ever worsening terms while the mass media constantly chips away at the idea? I'm sure that current affairs are damage control cause your rulers thought that Brexit would tank in the referendum. They can just drag it on until they ensure only a few people still support it. FFS May and her cronies intentionally fucked up the election with their retarded manifesto just to fuck with brexit.

>>134650508
Again for a slow UK mong:
I don't say Brexit happened because of Trump.
But.
The election was held in a worldwide climate of extreme populism, Trump was doing his campaigning with immigration, Farage was doing his campaigning with immigration, they even made photos together BEFORE Brexit.
The news were full of articles about rising nationalism and populism, AFD was at its peak, Wilders was supposed to be the next big thing, Le Pen etc. etc. This has all but ebbed now.
Relic is that you voted to fuck yourself.
It was in this heated summer full of paranoia and fever dreams when you decided to try to anal yourself, congrats!

>>134649787
>Unified currency was necessary to prevent currency manipulation wars between member states.

Because political elites hate currency manipulation, and have nothing to do with it right?

> A lil' bit of demographic warfare, a lil+ bit of gummint education and voila. You got enough votes to support adopting the Euro currency.

Like they didn't do all that before the last referendum? Or the one 40 years before that, and all the time between? You clearly have no idea how friendly the £ and it's tax havens are to the Voldemorts of this world.

>>134650568
The fact that you are brushing aside massive rape rings in your country is prime proof that youre brainwashed

A single incidence isbubacceptable. You are opening your anus to hundreds of thousands annually.

>>134648234
I have to hear this from a philippino tranny ready to get shipped to the EU to profit off the system, telling me shit about the death of the white race and us having to kill our boomers.

Also, none of his statements are actually correct. He is mad as shit and is insulting every EU-citizen, telling all of us we're sick in the head.

The fucking Philippines.
Kill yourself, oceannigger.

>>134650860
Typing error big deal, but whatever helps you to not think about the actual subject.

>>134650601
Did you even try to go through my posts and understand what I'm saying or do you intend to just disregard everything without even listening and insult me? I'm not jealous. I'm glad for you it's just that I don't see it happening and there's no chance for my country if you guys fail. And you will intentionally fail it.

>>134641012
The problem is having people of another culture who do not share your values becoming the majority. The liberal muslims will always be the minority and the future legislation will reflect that.

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>>134649810
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Ok, time will tell you how much of a dumb fuck ignorant little shit you are son. Good luck with everything.

>>134650911
Who's doing the right rapings? Well fuck me sideways its the muslims we never wanted. The rapes are going on all around Europe as well, so you are just proving my point here.

>>134650872
Youre just mad we're a real country whereas your laws are made in brussels and you don't even have your own currency. That's what it means to be a conquered country.

Germany has never won a war and boy does it show.

>>134639132
I want for all countries that are more poor than Finland to leave

>>134650938
I am dutch and your countrybis fake.

I am in the philippines on vacation but moved to hong kong because the streets are not safe and i can be thrown in prison for a mean tweet

I'm homeschooling my son out here so he doesnt get raped by sandniggers

Euros are 100% stupider than americans. Pray they rescue you

>>134651074
You're saying all the doom and gloom shit we got thrown at us during the referendum. Brexit is happening. Period. If he government tries to fudge on it they will be voted out and replaced. Tories only ever care about staying in government so they can't afford to fuck up Brexit.

You're assuming we will cave in to the EU like the Irish and Danes. You're confusing British steel with European tin.

>>134650901
>Because political elites hate currency manipulation, and have nothing to do with it right?
Hence the joint currency. Easier to control 1 than 27.
>Like they didn't do all that before the last referendum? Or the one 40 years before that, and all the time between? You clearly have no idea how friendly the £ and it's tax havens are to the Voldemorts of this world.
And they will continue doing it till they get what they want. Brexit isn't the only referendum that was repeated over and over under a slightly different branding till the desired result was achieved. There's way too much EU history for me to post here but votefucking till expected result is gotten is a common theme throughout EU history.

>>134651105
Im saying youre all too smug and satisfied with the situation. It is downrifht intolerable to anyone with any balls remaining

The living standards in third world countries ex income are higher

Shit is not "great" and you are brainwashed

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>>134650201
>You blame the ECB for corrupt politicians making quicksanding all that money?
Its part of the problem, not saying its the only problem.
>The real enemy is still among us and it's corruption, lazyness and greed.
Yep, and the EU is only making the problem worse.

>>134651222
If these aren't lies, then you don't even know your own history. Coward.

>>134651352
>You're saying all the doom and gloom shit we got thrown at us during the referendum
Maybe I'm a bit older and have seen similar crap repeat again and again within the EU. Retry the vote until the result you want happens. Standard MO for Brussels. Unfortunately.
>If he government tries to fudge on it they will be voted out and replaced
With whom?
>You're confusing British steel with European tin
As I posted before, temper your national pride with a bit of realism.

>>134651369
Except you're the one who's entire vision of the UK is played for you by Jews, whereas I just look out my window. Everyone is employed, living standards are fine, communities are coming together. The only major problem we face is the muzzies Merkel let in and the policians know it. It's what kicked off brexit in the first place.

>>134650329
>If you want to sit there and rage about it, fine. I'll be out there, earning money and living in the meanwhile.
Good point, milk that shit if you can. I personally can't so I don't, and even if I could I would still criticize it because the whole structure is not sustainable.

>>134649973
Debt crisis from 2011? Yes.
Going to be solved by inflation, by ECB.
Currency crisis? ?
You think the devaluation of the Euro wasn't part of the plan, you degenerate mong?
I still remember the day Draghi opened the flood gates with QE and I was short Euro, good day.
I make money on WS each day with wannabes like you.

>>134651620
I'm telling you a fact. Small, weak countries like Ireland and Denmark can be bullied to vote again but not Britain. We're still a global power and we have a liger democratic tradition than most European countries. We're not a banana republic that caves in to a bunch of wankers in Belgium (a country we made up by the way).

Brexit is going ahead. Thanks for your opinion but Brexit is happening whether you like it or not.

>>134651817
You're clearly a kid. You're talking to a Master of Economics.

You're boasting about printing money which gives away your inexperience.

>>134651536
Kill the eurocrats and every muslim and pledge your life on it or i have no interest in talking to you

I will throw everything i have towards that and ONLY that

>>134651665
The sad part about all this is that you cant even realize how far britain has fallen. Like a filipino living in a trash heap thinking its normal, you completely internalize the awful conditions in the u.k.

Anything short of racial nationalism is a slow march to your death eith soft beds and internal heating

"Great" living conditions, huh?

>>134651366
Oh agreed (votefucking), not even common theme, just standard practice. But if you think they can just choose what they want, you mistake how hard they've had to try here (UK, ignore flag :-) just to maintain the lies as well as they have. You or whoever else above was right about the demographics/votes in ~20 years from now, but if we, on a shitposting image board can see it, the general populace will begin to as well, and then the idea of who or what you vote for, or how else you might get it, starts to look very different. The Brexit vote proves "they" are not so all powerful as they seem.

>>134639132
The eu must go.

>>134652096
OK. Would you be willing to use the famed British democratic tradition as a reference to explain to me, in a TL;DR way, how your nation entered the EU in the first place? Just a few short lines of accurate historical analysis of you guys entering EU and how it pertains to 'democracy'.
>Brexit is going ahead
The crappy 'Brexit' you have ATM and not the one you voted for?
>Thanks for your opinion but Brexit is happening whether you like it or not.
I want it. I need it. It's not happening. That's all.

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>>134652312
"Awful living conditions" lol I'm comfy af m8

>>134652270
YOU FUCKING MONG, I make money off guys like you, exact those guys, taking an economic class but knowing nothing about currencies, markets and interactions. Pathetic joke.
I said: Factually the ECB COULD print as much money as it wants if it kept inflation targets in mind.
I said: QE is not printing money, it has nothing to do with it basically because there is no money printed out of thin air.
If you don't even understand how QE works I wonder on which online thai university you bought your certificate. Disgusting.
Again, do you have any argument against anything I just said? No.
I run a fund for years outperforming markets by rougly 30-40% while you try to impersonate an economist, loser.

>>134648113
>its okay if we end up 50% muslim because we need workers!!

So fucking pathetic

>>134651366
For what it's worth, I think Brexit will be as much a failure as you seem to, only I think in the opposite way; it will kind of happen, be presented as a success, and other dissenters will be offered the same arrangement, not fully "in", but essentially as under the thumb as any other member. The arguement over soft or hard Brexit is short-sighted nonsense, a distraction about "how" when we should be defining "what".

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>>134639132

EU is cancer and massively overreaching what it is mandated to do by voters of the member states. It was supposed to be economic alliance and now it is becoming federal state. Since voters will not vote in the right way, democracy EU is supposed to stand for is dismissed.

>>134639229
>It desperately needed reform and most of that came from the Brits

British euroskeptics prevented EU from reforming itself. They opposed lot of things in EU that made sense while they were in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37iHSwA1SwE

>>134652765
Lucky you. Rhat does not in any way represent the avg brit.

Youre nearly as bad as the boomers in this respect. I know too many upper middle class brita spending the summers in Spain who bemoan brexit.

Youre just one shade less shitty.

Britain is a rentseeking economy that is running on fumes. It cant last more than another 20 years. Youd know this if you understood basic finance

Youre like some siliZOG valley soymass talking about the "app economy"

>>134652312
He now knows he has lost and is going full 'kill Kill KILL!!!'

Long live the Singular Market! It is our power in the world. Brother Germany will agree with this.

>>134640315
this

>>134652806
>my technical analysis delivered 30% returns over a short period and -200% over the next period in a market where 95% of gains occur within 6 hours of a central bank guidance release
Wowee color me impressed

Do you want to be drawn and quartered or put on the rack?

>>134649810
Until the central banks reduce their balance sheets to the levels they were before QE it's impossible to say weather QE worked.

>>134652989
And what would your stance be on the following:
Hard and Soft are two drastically different starting positions and as such, choice of the starting position has a severe impact on possible ending states. Different starts = different 'win' conditions. If Brit rulers wre serious about Brexit, wouldn't they go into it kicking, screaming and headbutting the EU any way theycan?

>>134651817
My god, I'm not expert in the subject, but even with my limited knowledge I can tell you're just talking out of your ass. kys

Hey Eurofags from all nations, what is the status with public opinion regarding the mass Muslim immigration?

Is merkel going to be reelected?
Are young people upset?
Are middle aged people upset?
Are old people upset?
Is it true that barely any of the migrants have found jobs despite the governments helping them?

What I am asking is, is there any hope for Europe? Or are you doomed to death by demographic shift? We know they breed like rats. Will Europe stand up and genocide them in 100 years when they kill people daily for not being Muslim? Or is it impossible?

>>134651817
>I make money on WS each day with wannabes like you.
Really? What kind of trader are you? Do you even know what a stop loss is hot shot ;)? Care to share some performance graphs (no pics, I want to see a something like a myfxbook) so we can see how good and consistent your performance is with all that mad fundamental knowledge?

>>134653530
>possible ending states
Ending to what?

>If Brit rulers were serious about Brexit,
They are not. They campaigned against it. They voted against it.

>>134646629
anyone think the transitional deal until 2022 is just an excuse for MPs to say "you can have your borders back but only if you vote for us"

>>134653711
Answer me krauts, surrendermonkeys, crook teeth and the rest

>>134653249
What are you talking about, if I do options or leveraged stuff it's for fun, the fund is only stocks.
It's rare cases I use such events like going long gold and euro two rate hikes ago when EVERY financial analysts predicted the opposite.
I mainly do stocks, e.g. bought norwegian energy at 2 euro, lots of videogame manufacturers, shorted Nintendo back then at the highest after their surge on mobile games, shorted gold at 1375 back then, went long oil at 28 dollar when I knew the OPEC 'bailout' would calm markets after a miserable start in the afternoon.
I basically laughed about guys like Schiff who predicted there would not be a rate hike ONE day before the first rate hike while smart money knew a year in advance it will be every year in december two times consecutively.
That's why I also laugh about people talking about good economic numbers under Trump, they come in for two years straight when all you monkeys were sleeping dreaming about the bad FED and Obama the muslim.
No, those financial experts and majors in ecnomics are a joke, all they do is suck on central banks tits while not even understanding the children' language in which they speak to them.

>>134652806
>I run a fund for years outperforming markets by rougly 30-40% while you try to impersonate an economist, loser.
Was that per year, or total after how many years Gordon Gecko?

>>134652971
This guy is an idiot larper, he is trying to convice ppl he is a day trader and he doesn't even know basic fundamentals. KEK

>>134653580
>no expert on the subject
You are right about that one.

>>134654170
You love talking

All market movements occur within hours of foreward guidance.

That is not economic strength

>>134654389
10 years ago ª

>>134653711
>Hey Eurofags from all nations
Hi to you too
>what is the status with public opinion regarding the mass Muslim immigration?
Noone knows for sure. Can't trust the polls, can't afford to run my own pol in a proper fashion
>Is merkel going to be reelected?
Most likely
>Are young people upset?
Some are
>Are middle aged people upset?
Some are
>Are old people upset?
Some are
>Is it true that barely any of the migrants have found jobs despite the governments helping them?
Yes. Most are ilitterate in their native languages
>What I am asking is, is there any hope for Europe?
If enough people violently revolt.
>Or are you doomed to death by demographic shift? We know they breed like rats.
Nobody knows for sure the percentages of pro and against migration
>Will Europe stand up and genocide them in 100 years when they kill people daily for not being Muslim?
>Or is it impossible?
Who knows? Turkey has a constitutional mandate for their army to revolt against religious tyranny. What good is it if the army is taken over by islamists? EU is in same shitty position. Noone can reliably predict which will come sooner. Majority brainwashed liberals pulling their heads out of their asses or muslims zerg rushing the sociesty.

>>134653969
>Ending to what?
Brexit charade/theatrical performance.
>They are not. They campaigned against it. They voted against it.
One or two brits ITT are vehemently against that notion.

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>>134653711
DOOMED, ppl are cucked as shit about these subjects here in Portugal, MSM is leftist rhetoric that will make up for us having a rude awakening in some years. Good thing I won't be here to see.

>Every country whines about the EU
>We are the only one to leave

Why is this? We're not even the most euroskeptic country, Greece and Italy are, but why are we the only one's to leave

>>134654170
Graphs or it didn't happen.
You trade naked?

>>134644461

>"Nothing wrong with german genocide
>"no reason to attack poles you rude cunt
>Pro-EU

Tell me, do you enjoy cleaning Hans's toilet?

>>134653711
people are privately against, publicly indifferent
good thing we're lagging behind the western cucks regarding gibs and that we have a small homogenous population speaking an nearly impossible-to-learn language, making us an unattractive destination for genitally mutilated terrorist subhumans

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>>134654383
I never claimed I was, you're the one claiming to be a consistently successful day trader, I'm calling it bullshit because you only talk non-sense and isn't even answering basic questions or showing any graph of any trade or of your performance. You're a lousy larper son.

>>134639132
A complete failure.

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>>134654526
>>134654686
>>134654954
Interesting but mostly depressing replies lads. Good luck in the coming times.

>>134654914
I am not a Pole
I just hate Germans.

I want your hate focused on Germans.

>>134654314
I am no daytrader, as I said sometimes I do options and I even do it for high fees on my local housebank for fun, I manage a fund for somebody.
I buy shares whenever I think they are cheap, e.g bought greek shares back then a lot.
I constantly buy with a fixed amount per month which can be locked for consecutive months if I don't find anything attractive.
As I basically buy every month I cannot give you exact numbers and I wouldn't anyway.
It's around 20-30% every year, constant.
I will add:
I learned my lessons and paid my fair share for getting punished by markets and having the arrogance some of you express towards economy, it is a complex subject.
I learned everything from the ground and by doing it myself. No economic school, only nights and nights of watching markets, doing papertrading, reading news, learning technical and fundamental analysis and trying to connect the dots. I did it all, even nasty stuff like commodities / food and I was lucky not getting caught in that rapture of EUR/CHF back then.
I am the complete opposite of a Gordon Gecko, trust me. Nobody would even know if they saw me, that's probably why I am good at it.

>>134654681
Most Brits on 4chan are fuckwits too comfy to see the shit they talk about.

You know how Britain was the "awkward partner" of the EU since before it was called the EU? The ones least keen to integrate, the ones being difficult in wanting free trade and open markets rather than "harmonisation" and all the rest? Well all of that is the same issue as "Brexit", it didn't just spring up last year, and it doesn't just go away because another vote is called and they win it this time, or because some arrangement is made where black is called white.

>>134640315

Thats a sound opinion.

>>134655283
How do you determine your entries? You use fundamental patterns of reversal that appear on the graph?

>>134642904
Why the fuck are Germans so obsessed with genocide Jesus fuck there is no middle ground with you people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK1jK_sPIdU

Madame Prime Minister isn't happy with Brexit though as she cant trade with the EU so her only choice is God Emperor
I just hope she doesn't treat the UK Angela memekel style

>>134655740
That is why Germans need to be removed.

>>134655426
>You know how Britain was the "awkward partner" of the EU since before it was called the EU? The ones least keen to integrate, the ones being difficult in wanting free trade and open markets rather than "harmonisation" and all the rest? Well all of that is the same issue as "Brexit", it didn't just spring up last year, and it doesn't just go away because another vote is called and they win it this time, or because some arrangement is made where black is called white.
That's my whole point. I live in a small nation. Success or failing of Brexit will have a profound effect on the whole EU and possibility of Intermareum and having some safety in numbers and leaving the EU for good. I want Brexit, I need Brexit, I wholeheartedly support Brexit. Problem is, I'm a realist by nature. I don't see it happening in any meaningful way.

>>134653043
A third of the uk lives in semi detatched housing mate. "Upper middle class" lol my family's isn't that rich. Went to a comprehensive and I'm working as a cleaner before going back to study. Also a holiday in Spain is pretty standard for a large amount of brits, Ryanair is so fucking cheap.

>>134640351
you are mentally ill, what is fucking wrong with you wishing for the genocide of germans, your ancestors would be turning in their graves. germans were a noble breed of pagan people, get over the guilt bollocks about killing jews. fucks sake

>>134655052
I could easily fake every graph with performances and you know son.
It is what it is, do you think anybody without a 'major in ecnomics' would be looking into all that stuff for fun?
It was hard work, especially many parts of the technical analysis are retarded, I am a big fan of chaos theory.
I hated economics my whole life until that day back then when I started to ask why I get 0,25 (meaning -1.75 after inflation) while I see the Dax rise 1% on a day.

pic related is where it's at, mind you we have US shares and the Euro is strong and there has been a selloff last week, also gazprom wasn't the best idea just yet.

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>>134656117
>your ancestors would be turning in their graves
Good. they are the main reason for my self-hate.
>germans were a noble breed of pagan people
Germans were never good or noble.
>get over the guilt bollocks about killing jews. fucks sake
Okay done. Now help me get over the rest we are responsible for
Tell me why I should like the fucking EU.

>>134639132
>Are you happy with the status quo? Do you want to leave like the Brits? Or do you want to stay and try and reform it?
The Pakisaurs are out of containment.

>>134655550
It's a mix, i try to take into account as many factors as possible, fundamentals of course, in technical analysis I look for more long-term patterns as I believe the very near future price is in the land of algotrading, humans don't stand a chance.
I watch price action very very close that day, you can feel both sides pushing and losing power or not. Psychological levels are very important like a round number like 50.
e.g. thursday I shorted oil for fun, option I bought..this was a more technical buy.
I know about the break even point of 49 dollar per barrel for the us shale industry but in this case all as I said it was a simple technical trade.
It was close to weekend so people wanted to get rid of oil, oil has risen for quite some time, and 47,50 is a psychological barrier...when the price gets above it and slowly loses power this could be an opportunity. I have no idea why i sea it, but I can feel when the price action between bid ask is changing..you can also see it in the graph, very short but aggressive sells, pushing the price down fast and the recovery is shy and takes longer.
I DJ since years, I can pitch two songs on a turntable without headphones in seconds, I sometimes speculate that this getting-off is easier to see for me, but I think its nonsense.
But I can say I wait for day watching things and there always seems to be a window of 10-15 minutes where you can visibly see a last ditch effort of the price before it changes direction.

>>134655807
start with yourself, scumbag

>>134657197
One dead German achieves nothing
All dead Germans and working my entire life to do as much damage to future Germans will lead Europe to an utopia.

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>>134639132
The worst thing about it is that they've brainwashed everyone into thinking there can't be a functional world without this fucking EU. Most people think it's possible and the only alternative we have is war.

>>134656368
You are misdirecting your anger. You are angry at your people because they were fooled by their leaders, look at whats happening now? Same fucking things keeps repeating through the history over and over again.

>>134656281
SHOW THE WHOLE GRAPH YOU FAGGET

>>134657585
Germans are the source of pretty much everything bad in Europe
Name something bad and look hard enough and you can blame us for it.

I am sick of it. I want us gone from this continent.
We are a heavy weight around all your necks and you will notice how you can suddenly fly if there are no more Germans in Europe anymore.

>>134655872
(They) don't want Brexit. They didn't even want the referendum. Whatever it turns out to be will be the collective effect of all of us. It probably won't happen in any meaningful way, but then that creates it's own opposition. I hope you are right and they bluntly abandon it, rather than the stitch up I expect. I think they will pretend to give us what we want, while slowly re-defining what that is. As for
>possibility of Intermareum and having some safety in numbers and leaving the EU for good.
I think this is the best thing "we" could do, generally i mean. Push the idea of seperate, sovereign independent nations declaring that independence, forming voluntary regional groups (Intermareum, nordic council, galician/catalan/basque independence as part of El groupa Iberian or whatever)...start a small group in each country and effectively take the idea of "europe" for ourselves by defining what we are saving as European independence.

Any region that doesn't join gets to live with all the debt and migration they wanted for the rest of us. I imagine several large cities will need to be walled in and left to rot.

Ho hum, it's a nice idea anyway.

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>>134639917
>>134642904
>>134655807
>>134657270
>falling this much for a shitty reddit meme

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>>134657758
>history is a reddit meme

>>134639132

we love european union

can we leave now ?

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>>134657815
>this cherry picked and one sided LITERAL meme is the basis of my political worldview
Kys Achmed

Most people I see to the right wanna destroy it but i think you should take a page out of the jews book and subvert it until its good for pan-european kebab removal

I'm sick of EU "politics".
Any debate consits on trying to find something miserable that makes people feel bad inside to use feelings against reason, you give a good reasoning with sound arguments and it will be used even in the most schizoprhenic ways to search for ways to seek the pity of the audience.

Literally a sjw shitshow.

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>>134657728
There is no graph for you today.
43% isn't something special, you can make that in no time with options, but keeping it over time and doing it with actual stocks is the difficult part.

>>134657815
The eternal kartoffel

>>134658100
Thought about this too, but it's very hard. The EU parliament is the only thing we as citizens have any impact on and it's literally useless. All the power lies in the hands of a few dozens.

Best bet would be to make our guys win the national elections across europe so they can take it over.

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>>134639132
We're doomed one way or another

Just like the Soviet union it is a construct by the jews to drain hundreds of millions of people of their resources in a centralized fashion.

Look at russia they never recovered after getting assraped by the jews via the soviet union.

>>134654170
Stop LARPing.

t. Trader