Nihilism is the ultimate bluepill

Nihilism is philosophical suicide, it's the root behind why pushing degeneracy and postmodernism worked in the first place, cunts like you stopped caring.

>>134595445
but it's the only scientifically truthful ideology so it's the opposite of a blue pill. a blue pill is a comfy lie you tell yourself about reality

>>134595445
Nihilism looks at the world through a practical lens. The neet and billionarie are going to decay and the universe will continue till heat death. You can not like it, but reality gives no shits about your feelings.

>>134595583

No the moronic concepts of justice are pushing that.

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>>134595583
fpbp

t. Atheist
>>134595583
This is correct. I hate atheists because this is what it becomes in time.

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>>134595858
>there's no intrinsic value
>there's still instrumental value somehow
you're going to have to choose: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rXDoG80xUc

You have moral duties and this will require sacrifice, suffering, and frustration. You can not like it, but reality gives no shits about your feelings.

>>134596174
sacrifice and suffering are a meme preached by those who will never subject themselves and their families to sacrifice or suffering. they do need slaves around to acommodate their desired lifestyles

>>134595858
No, the deceptive Marxists talking about justice to nihilists who didn't give a second though and just accepted pretty words did this.

>>134596054
Despite being a Christian, I can accept not all atheists are nihilists although the ones that aren't are probably closet agnostic at least.

>>134595583
fpbp
become an integrist

>>134596846
>I can accept not all atheists are nihilists although the ones that aren't are probably closet agnostic at least.
I'm fine with atheists as long as they keep it to themselves. They never do, and that's what disgusts me. Spreading nihilism and destroying the culture of a place is never good.

>>134595445
I don't know why it isn't obvious to edgy teenagers, but nihilism is a self-fulfilling mindset. Your life will have no meaning if you live as though it doesn't. It's not fucking hard

>Is life worth living?
>DEPENDS HOW YOU LIVE IT

>>134596174

The only thing I have to do is survive, even then that's not a requirement it's my choice. Happiness is a preference but I have no obligation to be happy if I don't want to be. Physical limitations are the only thing that exists, the only reason else why I could be limited is other people with the power to do so say the government doesn't want me to do certain acts.

>You have moral duties and this will require sacrifice, suffering, and frustration. You can not like it, but reality gives no shits about your feelings.

Once again, what duties do I have to do that can be proved tangibly.

>>134597108
your life either has meaning or it doesn't. if you pretend it does, it won't suddenly have one.

>>134596846

But Marxism literally is about right and wrong with the wrong being the bourgeois and the right proletariat. Some nihilists became anarchists, but anarchists have always been a pretty minor force to history.

>>134597261
It's not about "pretending" it does. If you don't live as if your life has meaning, then it will not. Accept the possibility of the existence of an abstract ideal way of being. Strive for that ideal. Recognise which ways of being work and which don't. Trust yourself, the kingdom of heaven is within you. Life won't get easier, but it will get more meaningful. Shoulder some responsibility.

That's how you get SORTED, bucko

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>>134596607
this reeks of projection

>>134597565
he's a high school dropout who calls everything he doesn't like "Marxism". ignoring the fact that degeneracy is caused by excessive personal liberties, not an authoritarian state system

>>134597705
bullshit Hallmark wisdom for senile old ladies
humanity and this entire planet will perish in what is dog years for this universe and nothing, absolutely nothing you have done will have mattered except in the very moment you were doing it

>>134595445
“when men cease believing in God, the problem is not that they will believe in nothing. The problem is that they will believe in anything"
-G. K. Chesterton

>>134595445
The shitty thing about nihilism is you eventually realize while yes, nothing matters, you can't have both. Either shit like money and power and family matters to you, or it doesn't. All of it. You can't pick or chose or you aren't following.

Everything comes back to God. Every genius, every philosopher will tell you there is no explanation to anything and it is all subjective. You make the world you live in, quite literally.

If you walk around hating everything, your life is going to be just that. Start meditating. Start getting your mind healthy. There is light.

>>134595445
>reality is blue pilled
You need to go past the nihilism and do shit even if it doesnt matter in the end.

>>134597738
projection of what? you think i'm a high roller? or a retard who fell foe the sacrifice meme and exists solely to accommodate a high roller's physical comfort?

>>134597059
Can I let you in on a secret? All authoritarian mindsets come from not keeping it to yourself, whether you're a Marxist and you suddenly realised everyone would feel better if all those better people didn't exist or if everyone followed your specific way or if you could just keep the niggers away from you.

Learning to keep to yourself is how you pass that and stop giving a fuck about some atheist trying to justify their dumb shit.

>>134597565
>Marxism literally is about right and wrong
In Marxism, there are admittedly not nihilistic Marxist believers and then there are idiots or some "smart" people that have literally turned off with nihilism, but turn it back on sometimes to spite you and show you they were still right before. I know the nihilists tricks, they want meaninglessness because meaning scares them, seeing passion scares them.

>>134597945
>nothing you have done will have mattered
It will have mattered to me, while I was alive to care. That's all that matters, that's what "matters" means. Why do you worry about a future you will never have to see with your own eyes? Your cosmic insignificance is just a cause for humility.

Clean up your room, you'll feel better. Get over the notion that everyone who is happy and gets meaning out of life is just a naive idiot that has deluded themselves into satisfaction, and that it's just miserable people like you who have it all figured out.

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>>134597250
If nihilism is true you don't have to do anything. You can commit suicide or live to 100, it doesn't matter. It would all be just as meaningless as it was before. Being happy or sad along the way towards death is meaningless. Thus, off the hook entirely. No responsibility. No worries. The ultimate bluepill.

>proved tangibly

Moral Realism: Defended
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjkgD4w9w1k

>>134598238
self-deception only works when you have a low iq

>>134595445
>nihilism
>not going beyond oneself
it's like you haven't read Nietzsche AT ALL. his solution for nihilism is becoming the ubermensch

>>134595445
Well, I would say depression is the first step of nihilism, just like the picture implies.

As a kid, you start off believing something stupid like "there's a sky dad who cares about me and watches my every move, so if I'm a good boy, sky dad will recognize it". Then you find out Santa isn't real, and it makes you question god. If you have a strong will and mind, you will realize god is not real. If you are a dumb, gullible shit that wants a safety net, you will double down on your delusion and find every excuse to believe it.

So during the realization phase, there is depression. Nothing matters, it's all the same whether I win or fail. Then you do accept that nothing truly matters in any inherent sense, and the second picture is true. That nothing really matters means nothing really holds you back from doing precisely what you want to do. You can form your beliefs based on personal subjective worths. Sure, they have no inherent value, but they do have value to you. So you build your moral codes based off of them, become a strong person within the ruleset current society gives you, and make your own way in life.

You can absolutely be a nihilist that adheres to right wing moral principles. I do it every day. I just don't base it on believing in sky dad. The only bluepilled thing to believe is that you're so scared of the idea that you can't logically declare that there's inherent objective value, so you make up fictional characters to justify your own moral code.

Religion is bluepilled bullshit. It is the epitome of bluepilled. It is running away from reality because it scares you. It's comforting fairy tales.

>>134598284
>off the hook
and this bothers (((you))) because you cannot manipulate someone like that

>>134598301
The fact that there is basically no correlation between personal values, happiness etc.. and IQ should tell you just how important the parts you don't understand are.

>>134595583
you don't just decide to be nihilistic. it's the reality of the current mental state of european people. can you retards please read Nietzsche just a little bit before acting like nihilism is a conscious decision that people make because "they don't care"

>>134598398
so thess values are meaningless
why would a smart man share the values of a retard?

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where is our gomunizm general? i hope ou are ok broders.

>>134598491
But they don't care, anon.

They are carelessly watching civilisation collapse due to some nice sounding sentiments from evil people.

You realise we're in trouble?

>>134595445
>>134595727
This. Nihilism is just acceptance of the truth instead of being a faggot over every tiny thing you don't like.

>>134598491
Nihilism is akin to staying in bed too long mentally. The mental fork in the road is ahead of you, not behind you. It's an unwillingness to engage with chaos.

>>134595445
You can be weak, strong, whatever, you will die. Create progeny and that is all that matters, until they inevitably die with the rest of humanity. That is your legacy, and you don't need to be rich or strong to leave it.

You define your own existence, and life does matter in-and-of itself, but objectively it doesn't.

>>134595445
>If there's no meaning and no purpose then you cannot fail and thus have no responsibility.

Go on

>You can be a NEET or a billionaire, you can be weak or strong, you can be ugly or beautiful, it won't matter because nothing matters if nihilism were true.

Go on


>It's the ultimate cozy philosophy that
>lets you excuse yourself

Nihilist does not believe he has to excuse himself

>from duties

Nihilist have no duties

>that require sacrifice

Niche calls sacrifice a part of untermensch philosophy.

>and going beyond oneself.

Niche says all conviction must originate in your own being.
No other duties or value. You create it.
He says "woe to the thinker that is like the soil that sprouts unwanted weed"

>>134598675
civilizations collapse all the time. have you not studied even a bit of history? just 2000 years ago most of North Africa was associated with a white Hellenic race (the Carthageans)

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>>134598387
They are the ones behind (((nihilism))) you fool.

With nihilism you are demoralized and that's step 1
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqSV72VNnV0

Nihilism doesn't mean not fucking caring about anything, ffs

>>134595445
> nihilism

Thats actially the basis of Budha's teachings anon.

>>134598142
/pol/ likes simple philosophies for simple people. I've never seen a philosopher /pol/ likes that actually requires a modicum of awareness or effort to appreciate. It's why every 'reading list' they post doesn't include any works in the past 300 years

>>134598627
If they're meaningless why do they have different results when acted out in reality? The way you think of meaning is very religious despite the fact that I am sure you don't belive in god, so there's no big sky man who will high five you when it's over, well of course not. Why would you care if there was? Why do you care about meaning other than how it relates TO YOU in the first place?

>>134598844
I love how you guys always fall back on this stupid fucking argument like it just settles everything.

If I told you jews are the ones that want you to be right wing and what they REALLY don't want you doing is being a cuckold, would you go ahead and be a cuckold you dumb faggot? Because some(or even all) jews want something is not a valid argument for not doing it. Asserting that everything you don't like is a machination of the jews is only going to fool the dumb shits on this board.

>>134599032
i'm not an atheist, i just don't believe in abrahamic gods
i can easily believe some Sumerian ayy intervention in the development of this planet

>>134599002
It's why you never see Kierkegaard posted on here, despite the fact that his philosophy would be extremely compatible with most religious people here.

>>134598627
>why would a smart man share the values of a retard?

What is stopping that? Are values scientifically derived? You're a fucking monkey who only stopped caring about death by snake bite a few thousand years ago, even the smartest among us are limited by their biology as that.

>>134598192
It doesn't scare us, if anything you seem more threatened by us.

>>134598284
>If nihilism is true you don't have to do anything. You can commit suicide or live to 100, it doesn't matter. It would all be just as meaningless as it was before. Being happy or sad along the way towards death is meaningless. Thus, off the hook entirely. No responsibility. No worries. The ultimate bluepill.

Once again, that is correct this is a part of living. If you commit suicide 100 times, the only thing that we know is that you die, that's it. YOU are personally responsible for the actions you take. If you want to live by some code that's fine it doesn't matter to me however that's a choice you're making for you.

>>134598844
> step 1

For what?

Like I give a fuck if a jew rules over me or not... he does anyway and wilclforthe rest of my life. I cant see how raging over it on the internet or pretty much anywhere changes something for me.

>>134599279
>limited by physical reality
yes that's why smart men need gullible cucks to provide them with resources for a maximum pleasurable life experience

>>134595445
That's nihilism understood by retards.
The idea behind nihilism is that everything is meaningless which is a revelation that put enough fear into you to create meaning.
It like most philosophies or ideologies fails to account for the common man.

As such for it to have value as a philosophy meant for the advancement of society it must be tempered and presented in such a way as to present the common man with meaning.
This is where the National Socialist interpretation of the ubermensch came from, as a state to be achieved by the German people to prepare them for the implications of nihilism.

>>134599489
why would absolute freedom scare you?

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>>134599117
>some anon accuses me of being one of (((them)))
>I use their own logic to show that actually they are behind nihilism instead

For somebody who seems very thirsty for something a bit more intellectually sophisticated you certainly don't seem to notice it when you see it. Sort yourself out.

>>134599419
Most people with the means and extreme wealth don't spend their days smoking fat cigars out of hookers buttholes. Most decide to raise a family and devote their time to worthwhile pursuits. Perhaps it's because this gives them meaning beyond a momentary climax. Meaning is an evolutionary instilled reward for living in an ideal way. Now, you can argue what that ideal looks like, but to say it doesn't exist because you have yet to materialise it is a leap and at odds with most other people's perception of reality. Of course nihilism is over represented on 4chan, though.

>>134599117

It's a perfectly valid argument. The Jews have made a mess of the world and caused untold pain and suffering. Denying them their wants is a valid concern.

You make this bizarre analogy about cuckoldry which totally misses the point. The Jew doesn't want white men and women to be strong, so it's asinine to even imagine a scenario where they'd want the opposite. If Jews wanted white men and women and their culture to be dominant, there wouldn't be an issue. However we don't live in your analogy. The Jew wants a homogenous society -- except for themselves, so they can be the only unmixed "pure" race.

>>134598192
>Learning to keep to yourself is how you pass that and stop giving a fuck about some atheist trying to justify their dumb shit.
I do keep to myself. When someone tells me they're atheist, I don't try to convert them or anything. I don't care unless they push it onto others. It's a dangerous thing to have a population of demoralized nihilists. I agree on your point that not all atheists are nihilists, but many still are. Most Liberals and Leftists are atheist. Communists have to be atheist as a requirement in the first place. I don't go around proudly saying "I'm Christian" because America was founded for white Christians, not atheists. If there is a valid concern with a religion, I'll hear it, but they bitch about things solely on "muh feels". Gay acceptance and promiscuity destroys the family unit and spreads disease. A lot of Atheists support "civil rights" like these. A lot of them want to destroy Christianity just for the sake of it. Maybe they want to "redistribute" the money they earn. They want to destroy my nations culture, and, eventually, it's people. I'm still keeping to myself if it's in self defense.
“In Hell there is Democracy, in Heaven there is a Kingdom.” Hierarchy is important.
I agree that authoritarianism isn't about keeping it to yourself in a way, but on the other hand, it is, but by giving order, if that makes sense. The goal is to help people keep it to themselves since if a group is divided, it's weaker.

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>>134599333
Try check out the link I put when I said that:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqSV72VNnV0

It's step 1 for ideological subversion. It's how commie scum would attempt to take over a nation from the inside.

>rejects hierarchy
>who cares if jews lord over me at my expense?

>>134599419
Being limited by your own biology is different than being limited by physical reality. We are literally unable to comprehend the full magnitude of our reality, that is for sure. The limitation is us in nature, not nature itself. Nature is infinitely complex.

>>134598387
This is dumb. Nihilism is the central pillar of postmodernity decadence and degeneracy.
It enables (((them))) to steer the cattle.
As posted above...
>“when men cease believing in God, the problem is not that they will believe in nothing.
>The problem is that they will believe in anything"
>-G. K. Chesterton

>>134599588
'absolute freedom' doesn't exist. Freedom exists, but in a microcosm. It's that hard choice you have to make when there are multiple outcomes you have, and past experience can't dictate your choice.

Best example I can think of is the UT sniper. He knew something was wrong with him, he had an overwhelming compulsion to kill, but he knew it was wrong. He had a massive growth in his brain affecting his fight or flight responses. He literally could not stop himself from killing people, but he knew it was wrong and still had a choice. His choice was to either kill or commit suicide. Once he killed, the choice was over, the only thing stopping his behavior, his self-control, was gone.

That is the nature of freedom, it is a transient experience rather than a constant.

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>>134598158
>who will never subject themselves and their families to sacrifice or suffering

>>134599860
ahahhahahaha sure thing raising a family in between pizza parties and doing the cleanest drugs available
>reward
another meme manipulation technique for tards

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>>134600140
live your life by your current trends, see if things pick up for you. I genuinely hope they do.

>It's everyone else that's the problem, not me!

and grow up while you're at it.

>>134599860
But their kids almost always do. Those trust fund kids live in what many would consider "debauchery".

>>134600028
>a guy born into a society that would ostracize you if you didn't believe in a specific god bleats about said god
imagine my shock

>>134599998
nature itself is limiting. resources are limited, production takes effort and time

>>134600028
Then it all comes back to whether god is real or not, so you're moving the goalposts.

>>134595445
>>134595583
Unless you feel like abiding by certain precepts by choice while also being aware of there not being inherent value or meaning in anything.

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>all the slave morality ITT
I bet none of you pathetic cucks ever read nietzsche

>>134600222
i'm not the one who's unhappy or believes there is a problem. a lack of meaning to human existence suggests problems don't exist. and i don't think they fo. it's all in your limited brain

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>>134600323
>atheists are oppressed

>>134595727
But I think you are underestimating the importance of a structured belief system. Sure, all things will eventually dissipate into the great nothingness that we perceive the universe to be. But for the time being you have the opportunity to do something with you. You have the opportunity to direct the energy in this universe through the systems we have discovered and manipulated. The lie down and die is to retarded. Just kill yourself now, we can use all the precious resources you are hoarding.

>>134595583
>>134595445
I fucking love this thread.

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>>134600572

>>134600028
>I need an authority figure to be a decent version of myself
obvious bootlicker is obvious

>>134598677
What is truth?

>>134600519
are you retarded? do you know who you just quoted and when he lived and died?

>>134600519
They are, by themselves.

>>134598831
Yeah..

We have guns this time, if you wanted to compare this to the bronze age collapse, give the migrants automatic rifles and the border controls flintlocks, but remember that they're still pointing at each other.

European governments aren't even trying, Anglophone western countries in general are enforcing policies designed for collapse.

>>134599284
>It doesn't scare us, if anything you seem more threatened by us.
Not now, you've kept us down. You own the media. You own website moderators. You own the legislative system with censorship. You are the "careless" HR. So yes, after all this you are NOW no longer scared and we aren't either, you're correct. This is a distinctly threatened feeling. I'm glad we understand.

>>134599941
Then you're not a very good Nazi to be honest.

And hell is an anarchy, they want something just bad enough that people maybe possibly could might make something not shit on their own.

>>134600444
Define value before you start pretending to be deep, inherent isn't something I feel should apply to anything remotely relative.

6/10, came close.

>>134600557
no, i will continue to amass as many resources as i can so kikes like you will continue to get mad that the choice is no longer between being a kike slave and killing yourself

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>>134600659
So atheists aren't oppressed then? And it's Jews behind nihilism and atheism?

>>134599941
The thing about Christianity is it's a weak-minded cult for Europeans, and hasn't gotten us anywhere in the 2000 years it's been around.

>>134596174
Nice video. Keep up the good fight. Look at this guy called "what I learned" he does the same type of philosophical videos, for ten minutes with entertaining graphics. I want to see your kind of content grow.

>>134600831
in the current year they obviously aren't unless you're in Saudi Arabia

>jews behind atheism
sure thing it's atheism driving US slavishness to AIPAC, not Christcucks who unironically believe the Chosen People meme

>>134596607
Me not eating to become skinny is a sacrifice, becoming skinny and hot and having better cardiovascular systems is the reward. Kys faggot

>>134600766
>Not now, you've kept us down. You own the media. You own website moderators. You own the legislative system with censorship. You are the "careless" HR. So yes, after all this you are NOW no longer scared and we aren't either, you're correct. This is a distinctly threatened feeling. I'm glad we understand.


You're just delusional or think nihilism is secular humanism which it isn't. The media, government, and human resources, all use right and wrong dichotomy.

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>>134600709
>The doors of Hell are locked on the inside. I do not mean that the ghosts may not wish to come out of Hell, in the vague fashion wherein an envious man 'wishes' to be happy: but they certainly do not will even the first preliminary stages of that self-abandonment through which alone the soul can reach any good. They enjoy forever the horrible freedom they have demanded, and are therefore self-enslaved: just as the blessed, forever submitting to obedience, become through all eternity more and more free.
-C.S. Lewis

>>134598345
Finally someone gets it. Just because nothing you do matters, doesn't literally mean you're obligated to do nothing at all.

>>134600085
>that pic
Lel
You gotta give it to these faggots. They make decent memes.

>>134597945
You are the biggest fucking wiener I've ever witnessed in my entire life. Look at the achievements of humanity so far. Can you really say that all of that is worthless? Do you honestly know the impact that anything we do has on the universe that we don't fully comprehend?

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>>134600644
Checked, it's whatever you can measure and observe, at least if you apply the scientific method, which is what makes your computer work for instance. You could try to send your shitpost through prayer or faith or whatever, and you should, because it would save rational people the time of reading that drivel.

>>134596607
What is it that your dad did to you?

>>134600644
What is anything? Thats the fucking point.

>>134601079
I've been seeing his name lately. Give me a basic gestalt on C. S. Lewis.

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>>134598334
His solution means nothing in the face of nihilism. Nothing matters. Be the untermensch or the ubermench, it literally makes no difference if nihilism is true.

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Positive existentialism is the ultimate philosophy.

>>134601118
It may not matter in the grand scheme of things separate from us, but for humanity itself these things matter.

>>134599950
My point is that I sont really care that some jee lives on my expense. I got a decent cozy life, i earn enough money to provide to my family and to buy a new car every year, and even if the jew overloardship may be bothersome, I am not willing to let this all go and throw my life away in an attempt of some kind of antijew revolution. They are very well armed for this with strongs everywhere. No way Id leave my safe space in order to fight them.
They wanted to rule more than everything else ever since they came into existence.. they want is as much as I want to live my life peacefuly as a semi rich guy in first world country. So why not letting them? They dont spread degeneracy around here almost at all and practically let me live my life as I want.
So why not letting them live theirs as they want? If all they care about is money and power, i actually pitty them.

>>134601204
Epic reply. 1+ suicidal thought

>>134601167
>Checked, it's whatever you can measure and observe, at least if you apply the scientific method, which is what makes your computer work for instance.
This is objective truth. Yes, you're right. But Im talking in philosophical terms. What is TRUTH? (I know the answer(IN MY OPINION))

> You could try to send your shitpost through prayer or faith or whatever, and you should, because it would save rational people the time of reading that drivel.
EPIC xD. Fuck Christians my dude. Ugh, I hate when my mom used to take me to church, it was soooo lame

>>134601001
>me not eating
sucks to be you i guess
i'm eating delicious food every day and i have normal bmi
wouldn't want some shit corp in your country to sacrifice a few shekels to stop pumping American food with weird garbage
Christfags telling whoever doesn't buy into their shitty cult to kill themselves is hilarious tho
i won't because life is actually enjoyable when you're not bound by a bogus reward and punishment system made up by some kikes 6000 years ago

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Nothing has meaning? Give it meaning.
Nothing has value? Give it value.
Do you value nothing? Value something.
Do you not believe in anything? Believe in something.

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>>134600766
>Then you're not a very good Nazi to be honest.
How so? Religion is something where as long as the moral laws are upheld, the Atheists will be perfectly fine. Destroying religion is destroying culture, no matter how you look at it, and destroying culture is bad. Well, unless there is a barbaric custom, such as cannibalism or murder.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Nazi_Germany#Atheists
As long as they don't make any massive moves in spreading atheism, then it's fine.

>>134601379
Sorry that I write like an autist, typing on phone isnt my strong part.

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>>134598345
What exactly do you mean by the word God? You seem to be implying there's a distinction between God and existence... what makes you believe this?

>Moses said to God, “Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is his name?’ Then what shall I tell them?” God said to Moses, “I am who I am.
-Exodus 3:13-14

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Existence and reality are what you think of it. Rational or not, you can make that choice.

Doing nothing, because nothing has meaning is fucking retarded.

Doing whatever you want, because it doesn't matter is the ultimate freedom.

>>134597945
Glad you have figured this out. Now draw the obvious conclusion that nothing you do matters, nor do you and kill yourself.

>>134601118
>achievements of humanity
>fallen civilizations you neither remember nor care about
>fighting about who won the space race
humanity has only been around for a short while on this planet
and this planetary system won't exist that long in universal terms

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>>134601379
>i'm good so its fine. why resist that which poisons my people and enslaves my fellow man?

>>134601492
I'm not christian. I'm agnostic. I'm not an arrogant asshole like you who assumes everything without 100% confirmation. Do you know what happens to consciousness after death? I don't. Christians pretend that they do. You pretend that you do. What's the difference? You're both retarded.

>that last sentence
I'll die happy knowing you'll die sad and incomplete.

>>134601283

Would things make a difference if everything that happened was pre-determined by an intangible cosmic entity that is omniscient and omnipotent yet never reveals itself in any way? Nope. If you sin, it's because god made it, if you're tempted by the devil, well he made him too. And if you live a faithful life and die of colon cancer at 24, well, buddy, it was all part of his plan somehow and if you question the logic behind this, well, you could suffer a lot more. Religion or not, the driving force behind human decision making will always be pure existencial dread.

>>134601176
have you stopped sharing needles with your pimp yet? i can into random ad hominems too

>>134601700
No, people do things because those things matter enough to them for them to do it. If it didn't they wouldn't do it. Like you don't care about moping the floor of your neighbors kitchen, so you don't do it, but yours is dirty, so you clean yours. Because you care whether or not there is trash and filth in the ground. It matters to you. Stop being a nihilistic faggot. People only do things that matter to them.

>>134601755
no thx im not a christcuck like you. i don't need to die the moment i become unusable for kikes

>>134601772
Just kill yourself or leave this thread already. Holy shit, you're a faggot

If God exists, he isn't in any book. He is not in any story. A God is but a mirror, that when we peer into it. We see only ourselves, and what we are capable of. God is terrifying, because we are terrifying. God wants us to be good, because we want to be good. God wants to punish wrongdoers, because we want to punish them.

>>134601845
>Living your life in fear of things that might be true
You don't know there's anything so why bother worrying?

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>>134600782
Fantastic. I hope your ego suits you well.

>>134601470
To you, truth might mean something different. Nihilism may not be used in the same way its defined by me, but i still utilize and understand its worth to some measure. However small it may be. Just because people dont think things matter doeant mean they stay at that point forever. You wipe the slate clean & reinvent yourself, for example. Nothing suicidal about it if its used as a tool and not so much a constantly applied philosophy.

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>>134601887
>completely straw man the definition of God and salvation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synergism_(theology)

>>134601845
yeah your brain decays and your software stops existing. there's literally nothing else. even if something like a soul existed, it would not be the identifiable you the way they show ghosts in cheap horror movies. it wouldn't have any recorded information of your life

>>134602023
This doesn't differ from what I said at all. Reasons are independent of action. No matter your reasoning, you are still making the choice, and your reasoning is for yourself.

Humans will ultimately choose for themselves, and all that other bullshit is a spook.

>>134602069
>REEEEEEE i have no arguments why won't anyone who breaks the immersion not just do what i say REEEEEE

>>134602271
Explain yourself because you're not making any sense

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>>134601517
you faced the abyss and blinked

>>134595445
OP never read a book in his life. Let me explain it to you brainlets:

>thinking you have a duty to be a wageslave and treat people with respect and tolerance
bluepill
>thinking that specific virtues are exempt from modern society's advertised life choices and should therefore be held in high regard, that you have somehow cracked the disingenious code and found absolute truth and are deigned to live by them
redpill (most of you losers)
>knowing that no matter what you do, you will die, the universe will end
kindergarten nihilism
>knowing that meaning is made, not found or given, and it is just a tool to motivate taking choices even when these choices lack inherent motivation / reasoning to do them
almost good nihilism
>knowing that motivation and will cannot exist in a vacuum because a being with no wants or wishes has no reason to do anything and so will never need them, and they would never arise except by chance, and if so be fleeting at best
good nihilism
>knowing that such a being of any intelligence would fear entering a state of having wants and wishes due to the possibility of failure, which artificially generates a need for omnipotence, to rule one's destiny, to know it, to become god
tldr; none of us are gods, and since we can never become gods, for no good reason, we are doomed to suffer meaninglessly. Nihilism.

>>134602150
I'm not afraid of anything because God could be or could not be true. I like the philosophy in the Bible, that's it. I don't worry over Christfag ruptures. If it happens at least I'll know I've been a good boy who dindu nuffin and helped out people when they needed help.

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>>134595445

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>>134601241
A staunch atheist for years because of the problem of evil later became a staunch Christian because of the problem of evil
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydyCqhzVZVE

His works like Chronicles of Narnia have powerful Christian metaphors that touches even the hearts of atheists.

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>>134602069
He is right though. The scope of your thinking is incredibly limited and if a godlike or near-godlike entity existed it would regard humans and human affairs the same way as we regard ants.

>>134602206
You nicely avoided adressing the point that the main argument for most religions is "You'll suffer horribly unless you follow this set of predetermined rules" which is nothing short of blackmail, especially since they're usually being taught to children young and dumb enough to believe santa exists. If I'll be driven by fear, I'd rather have it be the fear of wasting my life to ensure i stay productive and have a little fun instead of following the rules of a jew who died 2000 years ago.

>>134602492
I'm pretty much the same, but I didn't a religion to show me the right or wrong.
I can't be a gud boi who dindu nuffin for every single religion that might be true, so why bother? Can just set my own goals and hold myself to my own moral standards.
Nihilists are the people that try this but are unable to self-set, it's just a thing most people can't do, the lemmings need something to believe them, need to be told what the ideal is. Religion does that, politicians do that, ideologies do that, etc.

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>>134602727
>god is good
>suffering and pain exists
>god can fix it, but doesnt, god is not good
>god cant fix it, god is not god
literally a 5 year old can refute god

>>134602187
>suicidal thoughts can be a tool
Jesus. What a Horrible existence. Can you not see all their shitty memes in Facebook. This isn't good. It isn't proper and it isn't what it's ought to be.

Anyways. What I meant by truth was
>Truth: A concept or idea that when applied in any occasion produces the same outcome
>pull a trigger on a gun a bullet comes out
>pull a trigger on anything a bullet comes out
>align yourself with what you believe ought to be done, feel fulfilled by the end whatever that thing may be.
>something that's true
Having enough willpower to achieve the things you need AND want can only lead you to happiness. I want a grilled cheese sandwich (Fug I'm hungry now) but do I need it? No. I need and want the dream in >>134599938 (me)

>>134595445
Kill yourself.

>>134602361
I've been tossing arguments all over this thread. You're the one not playing by the rules and being an utter faggot

>>134595445
Nhilism explains the belief but does not motivate action. Ego motivates action. If the ego can't find happiness or success, it might use Nhilism as a rationalization for giving up, but one can be a nihilist and still be a narcissist.

I'm a nihilist but I still want to have fun and maximize my pleasure. That can mean partying irresponsibly, as well as sacrificing an.immefiate reward for a bigger reward later.

>>134602752
How is my scope of thinking incredibly limited? Deferral of gratification (sacrifice) is what took humanity into civilization and out of prehistoric caves.

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>>134602365
I was explaining a philosophy, that you took literally without making rational conclusions based on what it means to be a human.

You overlooked the fact that the philosophy I was discussing is applied after you recognize that humans are animals and have animal urges. What you explained, that humans do things because things matter to them means nothing. Because humans are animals, doing what animals do. The philosophy applies apart from that, apart from being an animal doing animal things. What you do, as an intellectual, doesn't matter apart from that. That is why one chooses to live his live a specific way.

Sorry im no good at explaining things. IF only I could beam things into people's brains.

>>134602752
BTW, as stated before ITT. I'm not religious. Why do you faggots assume everyone who wants to live and has hope for the tomorrow is a Christian?

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>>134602752
Yeah sure *that* was your main point, not your conception of God or anything like fundamental like that...

>the main argument for most religions is "You'll suffer horribly unless you follow this set of predetermined rules

I don't know anybody who uses this as an argument for religion. I never made such an argument. Your main point is a straw man. Nice.

You should believe Jesus is the Christ because its true that he is risen not because you're afraid.

>>134603107
>>suicidal thoughts can be a tool
Weird, i dont remember saying that. Its like someone cant comprehend basic sentences.

>>134603057
>I still can't comprehend this idea beyond personifying God

read taoism, faglord

>>134602236
How do you know that your software stops? Can you prove your hypothesis?

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>>134603057
>free will
literally a 5 year can refute you

>>134603416
>free will
>omniscience
again not god
>>134603381
>taoism
meaningless

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>>134602420
I faced the abyss, and told it to fuck off.

Seriously, anyone who feels pathetic should just kill themselves. Nothing in this world gets done without actually wholly trying more than you think your life is worth.

If you haven't stood for something, even if that something is wrong. You are a pathetic piece of shit.

>>134603107
>This isn't good. It isn't proper and it isn't what it's ought to be.
Says who, the voice in your head? That's why religious fucks creep me out, two thirds of you morons somehow got convinced scalping dicks was "good" and now it's a "cultural practise" or whatever, so now I'm a bigot for questioning people who skin baby dicks.

>>134603201
You seem to be missing the point of the OP. If nihilism is true then there's no responsibilities. You're off the hook. No worries. There is no obligation to do anything at all so there's nothing to worry about. The ultimate blue pill.

>>134600766
The global elite who own the media are motivated by ego and potentially belief in a supernatural cause. They might be mhilists, but their actions don't match up with your "bluepill" description.

>>134603564
>omnipotence
again, 5 year olds can smash you with ease

>>134603564
you should consider taking a breather from sucking your own dick so hard. you can die from asphyxiation ya know

>>134603302
A monkey is an animal
A monkey wants a banana
A monkey wants a banana because it's hungry
It matters to a monkey to not be hungry
Therfore the money eats the banana.

A human wants to be important
A human gets an education out of the desire to be important (make more money, the prestige of the degree itself)
A human gets X job at Y company making 200,000 a year
Self importance achieved.
But like the banana and hunger, it never ends, the desire for importance and value never ends, it's why midlife crisises happen is my guess.


How is this not applicable to humans?

>sorry I'm not good at explaining things
Kek, this issue affects all of humanity.

>>134603690
Nihilism says those responsibilities are what you make of them. You can decide to work out tomorrow, and feel good if you follow through without God intervening and making you do it.

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>>134601517
Great post

>>134602420
What does this mean? Sounds interesting.

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>>134603647
>Seriously, anyone who feels pathetic should just kill themselves. Nothing in this world gets done without actually wholly trying more than you think your life is worth.

That's what I've been saying throughout this whole thread... Nihilism gets you off the hook, there's no responsibilities, no moral duties, there's just nothing. This seems to be a case of friendly fire

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>>134603647
>I faced the abyss and told it to fuck off.
Absolutely admirable. Literally me as well.

>>134603791
>>134603822
mmm... nothing like good btfo. Now go look up wikipedia articles about shit you care about until your fragile self-esteem is whole again

>>134603913
It means if nihilism is true there is no redemption. No amount of existentialism will help you. No amount of "give life meaning!" will change the fact that life actually has no meaning and its all in your head.

But life actually does have meaning and nihilism is blue pilled as I explained in the OP.

True power comes when you realize being happy is not the end goal. Joy-seeking is the route to failure. Learn to be nihilist and still do the responsible thing for the sake of freedom within society. Spend your free time getting /fit/, running races, learning skills and improving yourself simply for the sake of intimidating your competitors.

You can do all these things without giving a fuck about waking up in the morning or someday having it better than you do now.

>>134602069
Not an argument

>>134603248
One could argue that civilization was created solely to generate more sources of gratification (food, booze, fleshlights) at least I don't think cavemen had much recreational drug use going on.
>>134603312
I didn't assume you were christian, that was my reply to the other goy. Why do you think that every Nihilist is suicidal? Also,
>Hope for tomorrow
you're on the wrong board. In fact, on the wrong website. The only thing people hope for here is danker memes and bigger gets.

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>>134604037
>provides no rebuttal
>I sure BTFO that stupid Christian lel

just like nietzsche wanted to happen.

>>134602048
Do you believe pain matters? If I cut off your baby toe would that "matter" to you?

>>134595583
this is true.

>>134604100
you are completely disingenious with your garbage in your OP. Knowing that shit doesn't matter doesn't stop depression or suffering, which are key to modulating your behaviour. Im sorry amerifat, nihilism must be difficult for you.

>>134602114
God is a projection of our ego, at least ad it is explained by most theistic religions.

>>134603893
>Nihilism says those responsibilities are what you make of them
you're thinking of existentialism. If nihilism is true it literally doesn't matter. There is no actual responsibilities, its all in your head. No amount of romanticizing your delusions of moral grandeur will change the fact that it doesn't matter.

With God and moral duties there's responsibility. There's a chance at failure. With nihilism there is no possibility of failure. Pure bluepill.

>>134598677
This is retarded what matters is relative
There is nothing that matters universally, true
That doesn't mean nothing should matter to you though
I don't get how people can be so retarded not to understand that

>>134604209
>oh no better shitpost so it appears as if it wasnt important to me
you must be 18+ to be here you know

>>134602867
What you're doing is following the morals of your society. This is inescapable. This is what Christfags yearn for. It's why they always bitch about without Christianity there would be no morals.

They're half right. This society, the west, is a descendant of Christianity. We have the same morals; respect for individuality, respect yourself/others as you would respect others/yourself, etc. They're just angry because abortion has become part of the culture and Christianity has faded from it.

You might deny it, but you're following the morals of your society. If you had been cursed with being born in the middle east you would have been OK with raping your wife and then stoning her to death because she didn't do the dishes. This is OK morality in the middle east, part of the culture. It used to be western morality to burn kikes and witches at the stake, it no longer is moral. People take morality out of what others around them see as OK. The left is smart enough to use this against people (political correctness) but they started pushing too hard too quick lately and fucked themselves..

>>134604183
>One could argue that civilization was created solely to generate more sources of gratification

One would be mostly wrong to argue that. That is all a side effect of the actual reason behind civilization, mainly, to congregate a bunch of monkeys in a general area and give them stability enough to survive. You can keep the wolves at bay a little easier behind a walled town, or with your fellow citizens watching out for you.

>>134603946
>>134603997
The reddit is strong in this thread. If any of you had read Zarathustra, you'd know Nietzsche actually expects quite a lot from the Ubermensch, a complete removal from earthly wants and desires and to focus solely on the highest personal aspirations. It's similar to buddhism in this way.

>>134602727
Very interdasting. Thank you. Will read later.

>>134604391
No because if it literally doesn't matter than you are "free" to choose whatever responsibility you like. I.e., they are what you make of them.

>>134604312
>merely following what nihilism entails
>disingenuous

no amount of mental gymnastics will change anything. If you accept nihilism you're bluepilled.

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>>134603107
>>134602187
Fuck, I forgot to post one of the memes I've seen in my wall

Nihilism isn't the only truth, but it is a truth.

I'd say it's a convergable but why would you want that to be the end destination?

I mean don't get me wrong I fucking LOVE trees, that doesn't mean I'm going to hug every single tree I see.

>>134595445
Wouldn't nihilism be a red pill since it peels back the lies and exposes the truth?

>>134604583
And this is exactly what people who follow a religion will do anyway.

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>>134604655
There is not such thing as Truth, because we are incapable of understanding everything. We build our lives around false truths, half assumptions, and educated guesses.

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>>134604461
Yes, but the reason to create that town and stop acting like a bunch of wild animals might well be that you can't brew decent beer if you're a nomad and it allows you to raid and rape the shit out of other, less organized tribes. It is simply your bluepilled conjecture that people started cooperating out of love and kindness, and not because it furthered their individual goals and helped satisfy their desires to a greater extent.

>>134602206
>uses religion as an argument
>accuses someone of strawman
>links wikipedia
thanks for the late night laugh, burger

>>134595727
>science
>ethics

you don't know the difference do you? Science≠metaphysics. You cannot get an ought from an is. Moral realism is in fact evidence based.
Moral Realism Defended
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjkgD4w9w1k

Nihilism gets you off the hook and makes you accountable to nothing. You can live as a degenerate or a monk, it wouldn't matter. It's the easy way, thus the bluepill.

>>134603690
No I get it. Reread my post.

I believe there is no purpose.
But I still worry, I still get hungry, horny, sad, hurt.

I don't give up and lay in bed til death, because that's not fun for me.

You seem to think a belief in nihilisims claims = giving up. Belief in nihilism can liberate one to pursue ultimate selfish satisfaction which could mean as many things as there are individual conciousnesses.

>>134595445
On the upside, nihilism is the one thing permitting the resurgence of such thoroughly retarded things such as Nazism, Ancap and rampant conspiracy mongering which makes /pol/ the shitfest of keks we all know and "love".

Is there literally any way to argue that pain and suffering don't matter? Will a nihilist act any differently about his broken kneecap than anyone else?

>>134604815
ok, stop breathing my air then.

you can't and that's a truth.

>>134604489
>"hey im not from reddit but i read imright.com and this one guy says youre wrong

Ok

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>>134604838
>more straw men

I was correcting their unorthodox understanding of Christianity. If you're attacking a straw man version of Christianity you can't be said to be refuting Christianity now can you??

>flag has a cross on it

>>134604616
>following
How does not having any responsibilities necessitate the creation of a neet? See, you don't HAVE to exercise tomorrow. You might find a good reason to do it, and you might feel good doing it, but you don't HAVE to. It's meaningless to exercise, does that mean you must therefore not exercise?

>>134604916
>your air
>air actually existing outside of our perception

Prove to me that you have consciousness. Pro tip: you cant

>>134603648
>>134603648
>>This isn't good. It isn't proper and it isn't what it's ought to be.
>Says who, the voice in your head?
Yes. Exactly. It's called conscience. Why would I ever feel the need to make a meme like >>134604620 if I wasn't depressed. I started listening to that voice that told me to stop doing shit that I knew was bad (christian define this as sin) and stopped doing it. It's how I lost 80 lbs and started making it. How I got through the army, how I'm becoming better at my job.


>That's why religious fucks creep me out
I'm not fucking religious

>two thirds of you morons somehow got convinced scalping dicks was "good" and now it's a "cultural practise" or whatever, so now I'm a bigot for questioning people who skin baby dicks.
I agree with you on this one. I've actually flipped 3 girls who were planning on doing this to their kids. They were surprised as to the source of this degenerate practice and the benefits of not getting cut. This was actually Jewish infiltration, M8. I'm sure there were people back then saying not to do this but stupid roasties gonna roast

>>134603352
Please, explain what you said.

>>134605002
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All of that was intentional, hence: Consciousness.

>>134604993
Right. Anyone with a brain will see that living in such a way that you are strong in mind and body will open doors for you, people will treat you well versus if you seem lazy and sloppy. A religion doesn't need to dictate this to you.

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>>134604183
One could also argue that the discovery of fire a million years ago was only so that humanity could get to this point and do pic related.

Stop assuming incoherent theories

>>134604993
>How does not having any responsibilities necessitate the creation of a neet?

I didn't say it did. I said it doesn't matter if you're a NEET or a billionaire or if you're virtuous or not. If nihilism is true it doesn't matter. Think of the worst piece of shit person you can imagine, now imagine the best person you can imagine. If nihilism is true those 2 people are on the same tier: meaningless. It doesn't matter what you do, you can live a degenerate life all you want if you so choose, there's no moral duties. Thus blue pill

>>134605245
Takes a whole lot of redpill to earn the bluepill, desu senpai.

>>134605191
Yes, so nihilism is not a bluepill because it doesn't tell you what to do, and you certainly are not required to obey it. There is nothing to obey. You make up your own god damned mind if you want to, go be and existentialist idol if you want, it really doesn't matter. JUST DO IT, or not. Life will probably be better for you if you do, but that doesnt give it any meaning to do it, it just motivates you to do it.

>>134605143
p1: If I am conscious I can type all this jargon
p2. I types all this jargon
c. I am conscious

your logical fallacy is: Affirming the Consequent: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent

"What is clear is that there does not seem to be what might be called a received solution to the problem. It has been argued that the problem cannot be removed, nor can it be made easier to solve, by embracing any particular philosophy of mind."

Source: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/other-minds/#7

>>134604832
Who the fuck said anything about love and kindness? The individual goal is survival of you and your kin, usually it's practical to work together with like-minded people. Everyone in your town could still be a piece of shit and you could all grab your pitchforks to rape the next town over and this wouldn't change the point.

>it's simply your bluepilled conjecture

No, it isn't, it's a recorded history of successful civilisations and the psychology that leads to social interaction in the first place. It's YOUR bluepillled conjecture that assumes the individual goal is usually not made easier with co-operation, when of course the opposite is self-evidently true by the very thing you yourself mention, tribalism.

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>>134595445
>le redpilled!!
>What makes me feel good is redpilled!
>Praise Jesus!

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>>134605143
You cannot transmit information to my consciousness, without using the middle man (senses) to do so. There is no proof that your consciousness exists. My senses are a middle man, and not you directly.

Therefor you do not exist to me, and are nothing more than my brain receiving signals.

>>134604183
>why do you think that every nihilist is suicidal
I didn't come to this conclusion through mere guessing. A lot of my friends on Facebook from high school are nihilistic faggots without knowing it and all they do is post depressing edgy memes about how life is pointless and nothing matters.

>dank memes and bigger gets
Kek, spoken like a true nihilist. Those are fun, but they are not fulfilling. What fulfills you? What thing you do makes you feel like you're doing the right thing and are going the right direction?

>>134605245
And...? Those people are the same? That's a meaningless comparison and it again does not motivate living a degenerate life. Are you actually reading what Im writing here or are you too mad to argue?

>>134605405
Google solipsism.

>>134595445

Everyone has whatever role they choose to play.

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>>134605430
>crucifixion feels good!
>nothing matters so there's no responsibility! this is redpilled somehow!

>>134604312
They do matter and do actually stop depression, but only once acknowledged and once integrated into your life philosophy. It takes a lot of thinking things through. I forced this through watching Jordan Peterson while tripping on acid. What an incredible night. Haven't been the same since then.

>>134605576
I just linked to an article from the Stanford Encyclopdia of Philosophy regarding other minds. I know what solipsism is, kiddo

We live only to pursue our definition of happiness, indefinetly, till our death. But being happy doesn't mean anything to the universe, it doesn't care about you being happy or not. And you will consider yourself "happy" only by comparison to others, meaning you will never be truly happy. You will be the cat that dies of old age after having chased the same mouse his whole life.

>>134605405
>>134605449
This is how bad you want to be a tree.

The only trees I will not love.

>>134604100
There is not eternal redemption. But there are consequences to our actions. Therefore why are motivated to act in certain, calculated ways.

It's not a bluepill. But somebody may use Nhilism to justify his bluepilledness or his redpilledness.

Bluepill: ignoring reality and living in delusion.
Redpill: acknowledging reality and uses knowledge to maximize selfish desires.

You are a dense mother fucker who is struggling with his belief in god and purpose. Quit being defensive and read to understand.

Try asking questions instead of labeling a subset of humanity something antithetical to your perceived special-snowflakeness.

>>134604922
Cunt I read Zarathustra over ten years ago, around the same time I started lurking here, long before the Election last year brought a flood of underage shits from T_D which swept you here. You need to go back, and stay there with the fags and the cucks and the othe human garbage.

>>134605023
>Why would I ever feel the need to make a meme like if I wasn't depressed
To get a goth chicks attention? To troll depressed people? Just for fun? There's a bunch of possible reasons and you're picking the least likely one since people with a real depression usually don't do much but sleep and think about killing themselves. Good for you that you didn't buy into this shit, but by defending christcucks you're actually supporting the "Jewish Infiltration", as you put it.

>>134605703
Oh whoops, I quoted the wrong guy. Sorry, I meant to quote >>134605143

>>134605687
sounds like a fuckin treat. Which vid was it?

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>>134605373
>There is nothing to obey
> it really doesn't matter

oh yeah so redpilled. This isn't tranquilizing at all

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>>134604489
The ubermench is exactly that. A super human. Trump or Leonardo Da Vinci could be classified as ubermen, but not even them can compare to the willpower an ubermench demands (pic related, Trump still drinks diet coke). I think his desire to achieve this drove him mad and killed him.

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>>134605612
>Do whatever you want your entire life
>Be a whore, have some kids, kill some people
>Pray to JESUS on your death bed
>Oh well you're going to heaven with all the colours of the world to hold hands for all eternity
>Why Christianity? Why not Islam?
>Lol my country is Christian. Duh! My parents believed so they can't be wrong. I would totally be Christian if I was raised in China

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>>134605796
Oh right on.

>>134605687
>I did drugs and my malfunctioning brain had an epiphany
thats right anon! trust the chemicals to tell you that

>>134604100
There is eternal redemption as there are eternal heroes. I'm 100% sure George Washington did reprehensible things against the British since it was during war. I'm sure many soldiers took war brides, but they were all forgotten due to the fact that they created one of the greatest countries to ever face this earth. Same with Alexander the great, or Caesar.

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>>134605927
>thinking God doesn't judge the heart
>For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord

>>134605235
You're really bad at understanding how incentives work. Tell a bunch of cavemen about god and heaven and try to convince them of that shit and you might very well get sent to him directly. Give them food, wine and pussy first, and they might fucking listen to you, shit, they might even fight and die for the bullshit you just made up, because, well, you gave them an incentive. Why do you think religions grow, change and die while the merchant is eternal?

>>134605871
>i am incapable of marshalling myself
wew, your beef is not with nihilism, but with yourself. You believe you need someone to shout at you to get up every morning, why dont you work for that to happen? Or perhaps you can realize you can just do it yourself?

>>134605776
Good post

He who joyfully marches to music rank and file, has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice. This disgrace to civilization should be done away with at once. Heroism at command, how violently I hate all this, how despicable and ignoble war is; I would rather be torn to shreds than be a part of so base an action. It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder.

>>134605979

Best way to ingrain ideals in a personality.

There's a reason MKUltra was set up the way it was.

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>>134604157
Right back at ya.

>>134602048
You are completely malleable to the will of the kikes and spread the message that they have crafted to weaken nations. Not that you haven't contradicted yourself by saying you hate the argument you are using. I think the most pathetic thing of all is you assuming you have the capacity to answer the question of existence while referring to those still searching and growing as christcucks or low-iq. Most of the people arguing with you are more than likely agnostic, which by virtue of admitting they don't have every answer are obviously more developed intellectually than yourself. I don't particularly give a fuck that you have an abysmal view of the world. I'm afraid more that it might spread to other ACTUAL low intelligence individuals(others like yourself) and that this cancer might grow among my countrymen.

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>>134606067
Not if nihilism is true. Literally, if nihilism is true none of that shit matters. Create the US or somalia, it matters no difference whatsoever

>>134595727
Nihilism is a fucking paradox. It's a fake ideology for decadent western man children.

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>>134606096
>How do you know what God wants?
>This book says so
>How do you know the book is right?
>Because the book says it was written by God and when I pick and choose what I want from it then it makes me feel good and tells me I get to go to paradise forever after I die and I don't even have to do anything!

Thread Theme

https://youtu.be/7XmDYJBZZdc

>tfw captcha is helicopters.

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>>134605880
I think the Syphilis killed him but I agree, I think it requires much more will to seek out and achieve individual fulfillment than if you do it by following a predetermined ruleset, but the experiences you make along the journey will be much more personal and deeper.

>>134605780
Pol wasnt here ten years ago. Ive been here for five years and never been on anything but 4chan. Your inability to step outside your safe space and have a conversation like a civil person is astounding. Oldfags dont have a tendency to act like a faggot when people come around with different views.

>>134606106
>more straw men

you know it really says something about how weak your position is when you can't even address mine without misrepresenting it. I never said I need somebody to obey in order to do the right thing, I said if nihilism is true then there are no moral duties to obey, there are no actual responsibilities period. Whatever virtue you think you have in doing "good" things while still being a nihilism is just more delusional grandeur. You haven't faced the reality of what nihilism entails.

>>134595858
>muh heat death
It's just a fucking theory. You really think (((science))) has all the answers? You probably don't even know calculus.

It's entirely possible the universe doesn't have an end and the Big Bang is just made up bullshit. In 1,000 years scientists will look back on our theories as retarded superstition.

>>134605757
>t. Tree hugger
You're retarded

>>134595858
>neet and billionaire are going to decay

what about a neet billionaire?

>>134595858
what does "practical" mean in this case? Is it just survival to you?

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Any rational Christian would know that since mankind is flawed, so would the bible. Since nothing of man, could ever hope to capture the true essense of god perfectly and would be unworthy.

>>134605852
Watch it once you're in the 15th dimension (1:30:00 hrs into it)
https://youtu.be/YC1pvjyKYr4
It'll btfo your brain. Also get pen and paper and write whatever comes to mind. You'll be surprised once you read whatever you typed the next day.

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>>134606312
>move the goal post
try reading some theology and not committing logical fallacies

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>>134606241
>the hyper-intelligent genius that is totally redpilled and agnostic about the existence of santi clauss
Does he exist? Who knows? Maybe? There's a 50/50 chance he exists. Only an idiot would say he doesn't exist. Don't even suggest he doesn't exist otherwise you're a fucking idiot

>>134606480
For some who believes nothing matters you sure defend that fact enough to make it matter.

>>134606431
Alright, I'll do this like the old greeks did then. Consider it a favor.
> if nihilism is true then there are no moral duties to obey, there are no actual responsibilities period
I will concede this. Now prove to me why this creates a degenerate.

>>134606312
The Bible was written over thousands of years and contains stories that are probably many thousands of years older than civilization.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wZGVazbJYY
This is now a Tim Follin thread.

>>134606584
Every christian acknowledges their own flaws, so why would a literal reading of it by a human brain be anything less than flawed anyway? Like, even if the book WAS infallible? But it's silly to take it as a work full of scientific truths anyway. That's not really what it is to anyone but le fedora tipper leddit /r/atheism children.

>>134605776
And literally all of this means nothing if nihilism is true. No matter how much you want to romanticize your actions and use fancy language, it still doesn't change the fact that if nihilism is true then absolutely nothing matters. Not your actions, not your words, not your successes or failures or anything. There's no responsibility and there's no duty. Total bluepill

>ignoring moral duties
>this isn't bluepilled!

fact: moral realism is true:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjkgD4w9w1k

I know it's a harsh truth to accept that you have actual responsibilities and that there's something to actually measure up to. With nihilism you're off the hook. With moral realism, you're not... Moral realism is the red pill.

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>>134606629
>>134605852
Forgot pic. Don't judge. I have forgotten what it all means, at least consciously. Re-reading it right now made me remember a bit, very interesting. Keep your writings for later reading.

>>134605245
Well it seems you understand now. But calling it bluepill is most certainly your butthurtedness realizing your "moral fiber" isn't supernaturally woven and isn't any different than a fly's attraction to shit.

>>134605979
Still doesn't deny the fact that i had an epiphany and I'm much happier since then (6 months ago), and more driven to do the things I want and need to get done.

>>134606911
In order for Nihilism to be true everyone would have to be a tree.

I wonder what the tree's must be thinking...

Brb, going to go talk to a tree.

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>>134595445
>too smart to fall into a negative feedback vicious circle in wich instead of trying to calm down and move on from negative experiences i look for confirmation and more negative things to fuel bad behaivours wich cause more negative experiences wich drive me back here for more confirmation wich leads to more negative thoughts wich lead to bad behaivours wich lead to bad experiences

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>>134606420
Of course /pol/ didn't exist ten years ago. I started out as a /b/tard back when they still did interesting shit and then moved on to /new/, which you newfaggot wouldn't know shit about, but they sure didn't have religious circlejerks.

>oldfags being civil to a cancerous faggot like yourself

That's how I know you're not from here. I didn't even tell you to get euthanized yet, yet I already managed to offend you, you don't belong here. You can't handle free expression and should go back to facebook, tumblr or wherever you spend most of your time so your feefees don't get hurt any more than they already are.

>>134606869
Ok I think I have discovered where your brain failed horribly.
>there are no actual moral obligations
>you live by moral obligations you have chosen
are these mutually exclusive?

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>>134606851
I agree

>>134606696
>I will concede this

k then you're conceding that nihilism is blue pilled.

>Now prove to me why this creates a degenerate

I didn't make such a claim. I said it's blue pilled. It lets you off the hook. It literally doesn't matter if you live as a degenerate or a virtuous person. You're free from all guilt. You're free from failure. You're free from responsibility. The epitome of a blue pill. protip: talk to SJW's and you'll see how nihilistic they are, then look at yourself in the mirror...

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>>134606851
>Followers practice a religion by literal interpretations of selective parts of the holy text that is disseminated to them by their preacher for thousands of years
>People realise it's fucking retarded
>"No! We were just pretending!"

>>134607001
Totally redpilled! You believe something because it makes you feel good!

Freaking redpilled af!!!! Based!

>>134598716
the only post I can identify with in this thread. sometimes it feels like the majority of pol doesn't align with their own best interests. on the internet, memes trump logic

>>134605750
The universe isn't conscious neither does it care whether or not you care what it thinks of you, if it could think. You're retarded by minimizing your life to what a constellation thinks of you. Basically reverse religion.

>>134595445
>No responsibility
Look at this shit, another neet loser from r9k trying to pull their retarded cunt shit on /pol/ while thinking they still belong here.

/pol/ is about sensible normies now, shithead.

>>134607001
why would I want to deny your drug trip? If you are happy that's good, what does it have to do with your brain malfunctioning?

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>>134607032
meta, I like it.

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>>134606952
>corrects me on a claim I never made
>well it seems you understand now

a guilt-free responsibility-free philosophy is as bluepilled as it gets.

>>134606911
lel drug addled ramblings are always fun. I usually just smoke way too much weed and sit in the woods alone to write. It ends up usually being equal parts impromptu story as well as random little fortune-cookie esque axioms which I dissect sober later. Even if most of the time not much comes out of it, the act of doing it is a fun expression in itself. Would never judge. Keep on sorting, bucko.

>>134607047
You didnt offend me, i simply pointed out the fact you got triggered over my reply to your silly logic. We get youre mad, its okay buddy. I am from here, you pretending you know me from two comments is showing more stupidity on your part
>started at b
Who the fuck didnt

>>134607047
>we wuz true oldfags
>only real oldfags strip all meaning from life and lead aimless lives
>only real /new/fags follow their desires blindly.

>>134607100
I have a much better idea: address what I actually say instead of the mental gymnastics. Holy shit how many times do I have to make this claims more apparent?

1. moral realism is true and I gave reasons why. You have yet to refute them...
2. nihilism is blue pilled

please read

>>134606206
It was a prompt to continue the debate. You stopped it initially

>>134607121
>it lets you off the hook
What is this hook? Who made it, where is it? How are you on the hook in the first place?
>You are free etc...
Are you free just because life is meaningless? Does knowing being imprisoned is meaningless melt away those steel bars?

>>134607242
How the fuck is Nihilism guilt free? From reading this thread, one could get the impression that burgers dont know the word "Hedonism".

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>>134607200
>implying Brazilians belong on /pol/

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how can u be atheist wen pepe has told of keks retrun

im tory btw

The meaning of life is to get married and have children with the woman you love. Anything else is an indulgent distraction.

back, the tree didn't say anything...

but what I think it meant was if your converging nihilism you need to slow your roll.

your hitting the wall.

>>134607305
It's funny because as I was writing it I felt infinitely focused and everything I wrote was coherent and readable.

>smoking weed on the woods
>the act of doing it is a fun expression in itself
Sounds absolutely /comfy/, I wish I could still smoke. Muh job prevents me, for now at least.

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>>134607032
If nihilism is true there is no positive or negative. That's all in your head. Why is this so hard for people to figure out? If nihilism is true NOTHING matters, not even black lives. Not your emotions, not your "positive experiences", nothing.

>>134607387
Hmm. Let's debate then

>>134595445
but understanding that nothing matters provides me the freedom to care.

I find it odd that criticisms of nihilism/pessimism are only disregarding the philosophical issue by throwing in other issues that aren't related to the issue (i.e b-but degeneracy is more powerful, fun fact: it was gonna be willed by powers beyond you no matter what). By only criticizing it in this manner, you're still putting yourself in denial. It's not that this is something that's inherently wrong, it's that this is a instinct from your brain. You can believe in meaning as much as you want, but it won't ever be true and we both know this.

>285 posts
Just want to say all you faggots, specially the meaningless nihilistic ones, I had a good thread here. Don't kill yourselves, try to find the truth.

>>134607364
>le we wuz meme
>While pretending 4chan had any kind of majority religious population before the most recent couple years

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>>134607443
>it doesn't matter what you do, nothing matters
>how is that guilt-free?

>>134607383
>1.
You cannot prove your first statement because it requires you to invoke the notion of something being objective. There is nothing to refute here, your first statement is neither true nor false (or both, if you prefer, considering it empty). At best you can hope for that it works out nicely to act as if it was true.
>2.
no because being bluepilled requires you to subjugate your will to something that is not redpill. Nihilism doesn't trick you into doing anything

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>>134607149
>A collection of deeply archetypal stories about ancient jews trying their hardest to pass on any wisdom they thought they learned in the only way they knew how was misused by tyrants so I'll just dismiss it wholesale

>>134607620
Then kill yourself. You don't matter, so end it? Why won't you? Why isn't this a sensible option since nothing matters? Do you want to keep on living while still experiencing nothing?

>>134606463
It's entirely possible that you were such a STEMfag that you didn't respect philosophy enough to learn from it.

The philosophy of learning; deduction, abduction, and induction.

It IS made up bullshit, but made up along the guidelines of the best reasoning we could/can muster : and we're still trying to refine the specifics.

>>134607620
Does that matter when you shoot a nihilist in the toe? Will he experience less pain because of his enlightened state?

>>134595445
It's literally accurate though. Every single thing we've learned about the universe supports nihilism. Evolution encourages nihilism, heliocentrism encourages nihilism, the sheer size of space, the times spans we observe, the easily verified fact that the universe existed for eons without any humans and the millions of years life has existed might as well have started yesterday all point to nothing mattering. You can bitch about the practical implications for societies but it doesn't matter. When a feminist smashes a scale for telling her she is fat it doesn't erase the fact that she is fat. When you say nihilism is a cancer for society it doesn't make it's reasoning any less true. I actually completely agree that nihilism is inherently dangerous to society but based on everything we are capable of observing it's completely right.

All that means is Lovecraft was right and the secrets of the universe are so dangerous even knowing them in inherently harmful.

>>134607769
Holy fuck. I'm not fucking religious. I didn't even imply religion in that post.

>>134600766
>Define value before you start pretending to be deep, inherent isn't something I feel should apply to anything remotely relative.
>I feel

It doesn't matter how you feel.

Nihilism is the rejection of the values and meanings people assert as inherent and intrinsic to things. Value is essentially assigning an air of objectivity to what is subjective by coding subjective stances into a hierarchy.

Human actions, any form of matter, or any cosmic phenomena simply happen due to interacting forces. Abstract concepts like justice and morality are only categorizations we as individuals assign to the world around us. Sometimes, enough people who share a similar list of categories come together to codify them into an ideology, and that's all any assembled laws, dictates, values, etc. are.

>>134607489
Funny you wrote that seeing as when I was writing my post I thought "I bet some american will come with his shitty tasteless banter and say something about hues not belonging on /pol/".

>>134607805
Easy now.

Don't get blood on your hands all because you trolled a nihilist.

I still can't wash off mine.

>>134607149
Hold on. So a traditionalist redpilled society is supposed to feel shitty and bad all the time?

>>134607620
What do you mean by if nihilism is "true" ?

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>>134607775
>He still believes in the free will meme

Christ cucks i fucking swear....

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>>134607791
>1. denying realism as a whole to defend moral anti-realism
>2. a blue pill is something that eases your mind and makes you feel all cozy inside. I ask you: what makes you feel cozier? Having actual duties and responsibilities which entails you actually having to get off your ass and go through pain and suffering to do the right thing? Or nihilism in which it literally doesn't matter what you do, you can shoot heroin all day, it doesn't matter...

>>134607977
I wasn't mad. I was asking legitimate questions. Why are those questions making your respond like that. If I asked you to eat Baskin Robin's the same way you wouldn't react like that. Why is this question "triggering"?