how do atheists explain this?

>>134590292
Water + much cold = snowflake

Easy enough religious faggot?

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>>134590502
...

beyond the shitty argument, snowflakes are cool

The crystalline structure of ice is six-fold (look it up if you don't know what it means). This is what give the initial snowflake 6 arms. As the snowflake falls, the arms of the snowflake grow according to differences in temperature and pressure and since each arm experiences virtually the same temperatures and pressures at the same time, the arms grow in extremely similar patterns which give the snowflake its (near) symmetry. Snowflakes are not actually completely symmetrical, just often quite close to being so.

>>134590292
How are snowflakes connected with atheism ?

>>134593846
Because they're pretty therefore cannot be explained apparently.

>>134590292
i doubt actual snowflake are this symmetric

also most of them are probably very ugly

>>134594009
>>134593846
i think he meant the beauty, shape cant be coincidence

>>134590292
with science

>>134590292
How do atheists explain consciousness?

>>134590782
(Star Wars Galactic Empire theme song starts playing)

>>134593846
It's an example of intelligent design

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>>134594009

>Because they're pretty therefore cannot be explained

amidoingitrite?

>>134594133
they say it's just the advanced human brain finding patterns and creating a self in order to succeed. utter bullshit.

>>134594026
>t. 300 lb Fedora lord

>>134594099
Well its not coincidence. Its physics there is no mystery about it. But why do atheist have to explain anything ? Atheism is not offering any explanations.

Atheism is a phase. Just leave them alone.

>>134594267
im a christian but okay

>>134594239
Its not a design. Its a natural effect.

>>134594404
>Its physics there is no mystery about it
This is what atheists actually believe

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>>134594404
>Atheism is not offering any explanations.

This is why I'm Muslim. I get all the explanations and as a bonus i get virgins to shag.

>>134590292
Wow such thinking skills OP. Something most christians don't have.

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>>134594488
I doubt there's anything "natural" about snowflakes

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Snowflake shape can be influenced by intention.

>>134594488
natural effect can easily be called design

not that i agree with OP, im just entertaining his side

>>134594776
Everything you see is natural. As it came out of nature.

>>134594404
>But why do atheist have to explain anything ?

For starters you can explain why you positively believe there is no God.

Atheism is not merely the lack of belief in God, which is what they shrewdly claim, but rather the positive affirmation of a lack of God. Therefore they must provide proof if they want their scientific claim to be accepted.

>>134594950
Design implies intent. A natural effect has no Intention.

>>134590292
thermodynamics

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>>134594931
>retards actually believe this

>>134594776
they are cubes

Day of the science coming soon christcucks.

>>134590292
>atheists explain this?
109.5 deg bonding angle and relatively high electro-negativity of water molecules
>designed by God ofc

>>134594681
Fuck off. All of you religious nutjobs are all the same, when you can't find an explanation then it must be god. You're so fucking retarded, stupid, ugly and pathetic. Sometimes there is no explanation, it's the miracle of life you ugly, sweaty spastik.
>muh virgins
Kys

>>134594988
Well thats not what atheism is. You are refering to gnostic atheism. I dont believe in a god as i was not predented convincing evidence. However i do not know if there is a god or not.

>>134594988
No it is lack of belief at the current time.

I don't believe in Unicorns or flying pigs. If I looked out the window tomorrow and saw a load of pigs flying past of course I'd change my mind.

Whereas you say no I don't believe in flying pigs because there is no evidence but I believe in god despite there being no evidence except muh fee fees.

>>134594970
Did matter come from nature?
Did the laws of physics come from nature

>>134594776
Here's a good one for you folks.
Define "natural".

>>134595365
Maybe.

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What a shitty false flag and false analogy. Snowflakes are nowhere near as complex as even single-celled organisms.

>>134595441
can you naturally create matter then?

>>134595298
>I don't believe in Unicorns or flying pigs

And yet to say that they positively do not exist, you would need evidence.

Atheism is the explicit proposition that God certainly does not exist.

There's already a word for simply not believing, and that's agnosticism.

>>134590292
Valence electrons and hydrogen and oxygen having similarly weak bonds.

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>>134595679

Only by pulling from something else.

>>134594267
Good argument

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>>134595071
>mass is energy
>total energy constantly becomes entropic
Atheists explain how we're still here after billions of years of entropy from a singularity.

>>134595390
Everything in the world is natural. It is all part of nature.

>>134590292
equal and opposite reaction

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How do Christians explain this?

ITT: olympic mental gymnastic by atheists

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>Atheism couldn't singlehandedly-destroy Christianity in a week
TOP KEK CHRISTIAN PIG SHIT!!! Oh believe you me, us Atheists are ITCHING for a war with Christianity. We will fucking ANNIHILATE your dirty religion. There wouldn't be a square meter of any Christian church that has running water, electricity, or petrol that isn't on fire, once our airforce and navy is done bombarding your defenseless country. Then, our army boys (we'd send the obese fedora fags and other losers first) would swoop in, raping your women, and killing EVERY Christian pig shit they see. When Atheism's done with you, we will have committed acts of genocide. Of course no one is gonna do shit about it

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>>134590292
ow oof my atheism

>>134596090
mspaint

>>134590292

Crystalline structures.

>>134595679
I juat googled there is virtual particles plopping in and out of existence constantly so it might be possible there is a natural process that creates matter. However i am not a physicist. You should ask one that specializes in that.

>>134590292
Science, bitch!

>>134595788
>Atheism is the explicit proposition that God certainly does not exist.

no its not.

>>134593451
I've sometimes wondered if symmetry actually exists in nature.

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>>134590292
The Jewish magic that binds everything together hence the "natural" star you posted.

>>134594931
I wish these movies would be timescale-realistic.

But then we'd just have 2 hours of movie and only get 1 second of humans.

>>134595788
Agnosticism implies the idea of the existence of God is at least entertained, which is retarded for all practical purposes.
Yeah we can't disprove the existence of God, but the likelihood is so unbelievably small that I'm not gonna live my life under the assumption God might exist.

>>134594931
Reminder that God did all this.

ITT butt hurt christcucks stroking themselves to the delusion of their magic kike in the sky.

>>134594776
>he believes that god wastes his time designing each individual slowflake
If he was smart, he'd at least design an automated process that designs snowflakes by itself from environmental inputs, but at that point it's no different from "natural effect"

>>134590292

>tips fedora

Easy. All atheists know snowflakes come from god. Other than that god's totally fake though.

>>134590292
Imma go chant some bible verses backwards now. Checkmate, me.

>>134595986
Yet there's constantly people creating artificial barriers to what is natural and not. This is why any argument where the word "natural" comes up to me is void of reason. Anything that exists is natural BECAUSE IT WOULD OTHERWISE NOT EXIST.

This is the kind of faggot that sees bismuth and thinks is some magical stone sent by god

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>>134595959
y no science /pol/?

>>134596219
shit design btw

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>>134596878
We're living on a magical stone made by God.

>>134595271
>britbong
yah nice empire FAGGOT lol

>Something is pretty therefore God is real

I guess rainbows prove god exists too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ToUaU4vPks

Why is pole over run with religicucks? They are the stupidest monkeys of all.

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wtf I believe in god now
>>134597053
word

>>134590292
>god shapes each snowflake to be unique and that means he's real
>god gives children cancer and sends them to eternal punishment if they aren't Christian for whichever reason

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>>134597356
>>134597255
>>134596878
>>134596604
>>134596596
Save me from my christcuckery by answering with science:>>134595959

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>>134595959
>>134596960
>>134597756
>entropy increases
>y no1 talks to me

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Fuck talking about religion, let's post pretty rocks.

>>134590292
>He actually believes God hand-crafts snowflakes
kek, even most Christians are smarter than this.

>>134590292
fractals bro

>>134597756
Why don't you go to /sci/? None of what you're asking is political.

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>>134598475
/pol/ IQ really shining today

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>>134590292
fuckin bismuth how does it work?

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(((god))) did this

>>134595959
Jesus, I'll answer you, just calm your tits.

The entropy of the universe (or any closed system) is increasing. However the Earth is not a closed system. Notably, it is constantly receiving energy from the Sun. Under these circumstances, it is perfectly reasonable for entropy to decrease, as long as entropy increases somewhere else in the closed system to compensate for it. This is accounted for by the Earth radiating in infrared, which has far less energy per photon, and therefore far more photons, than the visible solar radiation. As the number of photons increases, so does the entropy. thus, the entropy of the universe still increases, even with biological order arising on Earth.

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>>134599599
I didn't say earth. How does the entropy increase (energy becomes chaotic and unusable for the super-smart Aryans) since the "big bang" to produce a continually growing universe. Life on earth expands rapidly, but so are stars multiplying.

>>134590292
Math.

>>134594988
What the fuck are you talking about? Science can't prove the non existence of anything it's never been an research to prove something does not exist, that's not what science is about. Science explain the phenomena which is everything that surrounds you everyday, that's why science in first place does not contemplate the existence of god, cause it is not a phenomena or does not have a pattern nor any logic behavior you can study at all

>>134599048
ok, ok, i'll bite

1st problem is "entropy" is not a "disorder", but i guess you know that.

2nd problem here is the word "Universe". Entropy of Universe always increases, but it's not forbidden for it to stay the same or even decrease locally, within the bounds of thermodynamic system.

3rd problem is that particles lose/gain energy only when they are hit by other particles. So expect no "constant" increase.

>>134590292

The more important question should be "how to we even exist in the first place." The universe has a cause. Everything that exists has a cause. The purpose of living is not to simply "live." To say that is a logical fallacy. It is also a logical fallacy to say that everything exists simply to "exist" or nothing has a purpose.

EVERYTHING has a cause and a reason.

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>>134599911
>entropy increase (energy becomes chaotic
Yeah, i see now why you've got no (You)'s earlier

>>134600157
Entropic stasis is only theoretical and has never been observed in nature.

>>134600339
which logically fallacy is it

>>134599911
The increasing number of stars doesn't decrease entropy. In fact, it increases it.

At its most basic level entropy is really just a measure of how many different micro-states correspond to a given macrostate. So, if there are lots of stars, there are lots of ways you could move them or switch them without really changing the macrostate at all.

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>>134596471
this universe is scale invariant

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they can't

>>134600504
Star birth is a thermodynamic process. This does not invalidate the necessity for a source of energy to be transferred/converted into the new star. Basically it's the Big Bang Theory vs the Law of Energy Conservation. Plus what some other christfag said about the Law of Causality.

>>134594133
In a bunch of ways.

Only the dead know fir sure. We're trying to figure it out.

I experiment with lsd, dmt, shrooms and mescaline in order to explore my own comciousness. I get how my brain uses my body to sense, associate experience andbrespond, but I don't know why "i" should be experiencing it.

Some say our mind is like a radio reciever that's tuned into a single frequency in the infinit-concious. When you take enough psychedelics, you have a feeling of being everything, at every time, all at once.

Conciousness is hard to test. Claiming any certainty, religious or otherwise, is wrong. Nobody knows, they only believe.

And before you just say "drugs are fucking you up," realize that we ARE drugs. We are chemical reactions. Triptamines have a profound effect on the mind: allow better communication between different parts of the brain. Analogous to removing the filters of experience. You become hyper - aware until the point where the dosage is enough make you "unconcious". Your senses are then ignored, your ego dies (feels like you're dieing, but you roll with it), and then you are everyone and everything and everywhere and every time all at once. It really indescribable. Then you come back and usually feel at peace with your own mortality.

>>134595679
>can you naturally create matter then?
>you
>naturally
>create

by definition, no.

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>>134590292
it's a part of the thumbprint left by the creator

>>134600781
So you're not really talking about entropy at all, then, you're just talking about energy?

In that case, its simple. The two sources of energy for a star are gravitational potential energy (used up as material falls in towards the star) and nuclear potential energy (used up as material fuses towards iron).

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>>134590292
Same reason this happens.

ITT: mental masturbation about things that won't help improve a person's life

>>134594681
>believing there's sex in the afterlife

sex is only limited to our dimension you scrub. the afterlife is primarily emotional so if you aren't into being lovey dovey, be prepared to face eternal hatred

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>>134590292
>God spent first 6 days designing snowflakes.
>explains the shoddy state of the rest of creation

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>>134590292

Pretty simple. The force of the Hagal rune.

>>134601377
which is?

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>>134590292
>Snowflake requires god
>God requires no god
Theist "logic".

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>>134601197
I'm not talking about the source of a star's light energy. The star IS energy that was converted from a nebulon. Nebula continually produce stars from their own mass energy which must then by necessity amount to a greater total energy than the stars ever can reach. These things have been spitting out stars since the theoretical big bang, at which point a singularity unbelievably violated the Law of Energy Conservation by producing the grand total of energy exerted as mass, kinetic, potential, etc, nevermind the extra energy lost in the uncaused chemical reaction that was the bang...

>>134600339
It's a logical fallacy to make a claim that can't be backed up. Using college freshmam philosophy terms doesn't validate your idea.
You've got to provide proof that there is a cause.

Ego says that there is a cause, the universe says our role is to exchange energy and perish.

To be certain of things untestable and unproven is a logical fallacy

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>>134594776
(((snowflakes)))

>>134602101
uncaused atomic reaction, uncaused singularity reaction, what do you call something so theoretical that it's an oxymoron?

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>>134601976
The happenstance patterns of our universe's physics.

>>134601976
Physics, chemistry, forces (weak and strong force, electromagnitism, and gravity).
If that doesn't explain it then you need to take a bout 3 or for courses at a college, or maybe just read a couple books.
All these shapes, and the shapes of all matter, are the result of interactions of forces between protons, electrons and neutrons.

Read physics/chemistry books.

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>>134602360
the jews picked that symbol for a reason believing they are god's chosen people. it has the same geometry as the creator itself.

>>134602393
what if i said physics is one of god's languages? as in what it thinks translates into physical occurrences in our dimension

>>134600947
So there is something outside of nature that can create matter? What is it?

>>134602101
Well the "Big Bang" part of this discussion is frankly above my pay grade, but I will still stick by my previous answer for star formation. (Not the nuclear part really, as that can't happen until temperature increases substantially, when you might already consider the star to be formed...) But the gravitational potential energy is still there. U_g = -G*m1*m2/r, if you want to bring math into it. so while the particles that will eventually make up the star are really far apart in a big cloud, there is a lot of gravitational potential energy (actually, there is just slightly less than 0 in this formulation, since r is very big and U_g is inversely proportional to r, but when it all gets closer together there will be a very high /negative/ amount of gravitational potential energy). This gets converted into kinetic energy as the particles fall in and form the star, just as when you drop a ball from a high place it speeds up along its path to the ground.

So yeah, basically the nebulae can keep making stars for a long time because there's a lot gravitational potential energy in them.

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>>134602825
I would ask how you came about that information.

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>>134599265
>>134602360
((((carbon-based life))))

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Can someone prove non-existence to me? I want proof that something is capable of not existing. Thanks. I just want you to show me ONE thing that doesn't exist.

>>134603077
well just like 2D is a shadow of 3D, 3D is a shadow of 4D (and get that time bullshit out of here; it doesn't exist)

but more realistically i can't prove it, it's more of whether you are allowed to understand or you aren't.

>>134603215
sometimes I just have to kek at the things you guys put those echoes around.

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>>134603445
What about dimensional logic tells you "God"?

>>134603016
They don't understand anything that you learned after middle school. Every one of them scrolled past that without reading it.

>>134603398
A triangle with 4 corners.
A triangle is defined as a polygon with exactly 3 corners.
A polygon cannot have both exactly 3 and exactly 4 corners.
Therefore, a triangle with 4 corners does not exist.
QED

>>134603398
thsi reminds me of some copy pasta where a wwii paratrooper lands in china and gives the girl a burger before running away to kill japs

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>>134604302

>>134602977
the question was 'can you (as a human) naturally create matter?'

the answer is no as anything humans (consciously) create is by definition not natural.

>>134603959
Wanted to see the science of "nothing to everything" but I guess I can only ask a Jew btfo by Tesla and a puppet with a robot voice that magically lived 46 years past its expiration date.

>https://issuu.com/zerofieldenergy/docs/harold-aspden---tesla-versus-einstein

>>134590292
water freezes at different angles depending on the temperature, humidity, pressure, etc. as it's falling it adds on new angular surfaces symmetrically

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>>134604582
the various ICE (number)s are different angles at which the crystals will form

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>>134590292
With math. The hexagon can be found throughout nature. Along with the pentagram, the golden ratio and all sorts of other neat shit. All this shit was figured out thousands of years ago. I didn't bump this thread.

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>>134604403
oh fucking thank god, i was searching for it the whole time

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>>134603734
it's like common sense to me which is because i am allowed to understand (like i said earlier)

you have to deserve higher knowledge of god and it's ways than that of basic religious followers

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>>134605401
Common sense is an oxymoron.

>>134604480
So yes, there is something out there that is creating matter, and isn't human. We're both on the same page.

Snowflakes are perfect example of something looking as if it's intelligently designed, but in reality not.

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>>134603398
>being this retarded

Perception and existence are the same thing

>>134590292
That's not an electron microscope image, faggot. The snowflake shape originates from symmetrical considerations of the crystal structure of water. Additional atoms join the substrate and grow at specific points due to free energy minimization, which leads to complex arrangements.

>>134590292
Water crystal lattice my dude.

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>>134605401
>deserving something from a God that already gave you everything you have though you didn't deserve it

>>134590292
Science, facts, intellectualism, intelligence.

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>>134603445
>>and get that time bullshit out of here; it doesn't exist
>time doesn't exist

>>134590292
polar molecule with bonds at 60 degrees crystallize into structures that accommodate things that bend at 60 degrees.

>>134601713

Outside of reproduction, sex isn't really that important.

>>134604060
infinitely obtuse angle?

>>134597756
That's Nasha. Not NASA. Accents mean things monoglot

>>134593846
We atheists aren't snowflakes you fucking tard. All the religious idiots on here especially Christians have to always shove their bbullshit onto everyone and while the do this, they dumb down our species and prevent us from expanding to new horizons via science.

>>134594488
wtf is the difference faggot

>>134600416
Isentropic processes, such as adiabatic expansions/compressions are pretty observable dude

>>134606251
It's Ishrael, not Israel you faggot. Meshiach not Messiah, Shalom not Salome, Joshua not Jesus. Go fuck yourself with your Yiddish fuckery.

>>134600467

Well, it's not rocket science but to say "The purpose of living is just to live" is basically saying that the effect is the cause. This would be a circular argument. A self-contradiction.

It is actually not possible for the universe to exist for no cause or reason.

>>134606246
complete sentence?

>>134602338

You seem uneducated and intellectually challenged.

It does not matter if you cannot prove it. The fact remains that there has to be a cause. Everything that exists does not exist for no reason or cause.

It doesn't even matter if you don't have an explanation of the explanation etc.

*YAWN*

Yeah... You're dumb

>>134596471
Yes it does, Your face is symmetrical. almost everything is symmetrical

>>134606398
Sure, but never in nature, never outside of isolated systems created and controlled by humans.

>>134604512
>>134604512
I checked the link you provided, and I pretty much stopped reading when they said that we accept Einstein's theory "without evidence." I mean come on... we basically reproduce the twin paradox whenever we observe cosmic rays.

>>134600931
Go back to FUCKING Reddit. God damn you degenerate cunts. Sage this shit nufags

>>134602338

In other words, I do not need to show you physical evidence of a creator other than everything that exists. The universe itself proves that God exists. It's very existence.

https://youtu.be/GtiSCBXbHAg

>>134606068
god don't give nobody everythang fool, you gotta earn your way up brotha

>>134606083
saying time exists is like saying a measurement exists; it's all on a conscious level. which means no, time travel is impossible within our dimension. sorry to crush your hopes and dreams

>>134606842
>Dr. Aspden, Ph.D., FIEE, FIMechE, C.Eng, C.Phys is a British electrophysicist, inventor, engineer and chartered patent agent with over 4 decades of extensive theoretical and experimental research work in magnetism, electrodynamics, thermodynamics and nuclear physics. Author of several books proposing an original unification of physics, Dr. Aspden has written over 100 scientific papers on these subjects published in peer-reviewed journals. His epoch-making 1969 paper on the Aspden Law of Electrodynamics served as theoretical foundation for the Correa PAGD technology.

Religious are the biggest snowflakes especially Jews Muslims and Christians in that order

>>134606721
>being this retarded

Causality is an infinite loop. You don't get to just stop at God as an "ultimate" cause because it's convenient for you.

>>134607105
It's that why we have to calibrate clocks on space vessels?
It's that why GPS is so complicated to manage?
How about the fact that time is slower the faster you go?
Or what, are the experiments a lie?
If that is your answer, then hold your bullshit explanation.

>>134606887
One word: "Fractals"

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>>134597756
Fucking jews.
Also this. Notice there's only 1 person working

>>134604060

That is very different than proving a universal negative. Can you prove that there is no God? NOPE... "But the burden of proof is on you." So what? You still cannot prove that there is no God. It doesn't matter what the claim is. The most you can say is "I don't know."

>>134590292
I'm not an atheist. It's called emergence. Faggot.

>>134607533

One phrase: YOU LACK INTELLIGENCE

>>134607321
>argument from authority
Then he should know that our acceptance of relativity has some evidence behind it, even if he ultimately regards it as incorrect.

>>134607879
There's a reason why it takes that shape, prove me wrong. I'm not saying God does not exist, but claiming geometry in nature is because of God, is a major fallacy. Even if you're religious you can be logical, dumbass.

>>134607582
no wonder we quit going to outer space. nobody around to do the work/math

>>134607785
How was that not a universal negative?
With regard to the question of proving/disproving God, imo you have to define the term "God" before you can even begin.... and don't tuck away all the undefined bits in another slippery phrase like "supernatural" without defining that phrase as well.

>>134607499
everything happens in the "now". it always has and always will. there is no past or future except in our heads (to put in broad terms)

>It's that why we have to calibrate clocks on space vessels?
Our clocks are based on our sun and home planet alone. not anywhere else, thus making our clocks useless outside of earth

>It's that why GPS is so complicated to manage?
how is this related to time? just because our technology can't process and deliver data instantaneously?

>How about the fact that time is slower the faster you go?
that's absolute bullshit, you can be going the speed of light and i'll still be here hanging out

Atheists were rekted in this thread. How a human being cannot believe in God is beyond me. If you do not believe in God you are a fool like the bible says.

>>134590292
look up crystalography. shit is bonkers. Bond angles, van der wall forces, and weird fucking electronegative situations with water.

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>>134590292
>how do atheists explain this?
How do Christians explain this?

>>134608173
I was trying not to spoil it but Dr Aspden specifically addresses the wave/particle duality of photons in another book and how waves cannot move without a medium (meaning interstellar space cannot be empty). But that's Planck not Einstein.

>>134608976
1 Corinthians 5:5: Then you must throw this man out and hand him over to Satan so that his sinful nature will be destroyed and he himself will be saved on the day the Lord returns.


Torture him/kill him until he repents or before he goes to hell if he was a Christian is turning back. Christians experience supernatural experiences, we know our God is real that is why such people had such faith to do such things.

>>134590292
>is it hard to explain? Don't worry! We will give the perfect explanation to it! MAGICAL SKY FAIRY!
Theists are fucking retarded.

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>being a christfag
I miss old 4chan

>>134590292

Atheists never explain anything.

>>134590292
im not an atheist but that empirically proves nothing of the sort that you wish

>>134608783
Are you saying that everything is in our heads, do you think we all are just a dream to you?
You should go get checked out for being an schizophrenic fuck
Time is relative, that is why all those things work like that, and that is why time can be experimented on, an object moving faster than another travels slower through time than a slower one because time is relative
>just because our technology can't process and deliver data instantaneously?
If time didn't exist this wouldn't be a problem then you dicks for brains

>>134609066
The medium for light waves is the electric and magnetic fields.

>>134608976
I lol'd pretty hard when the BBC did a documentary basically saying the inquisitions and the Spanish inquisition in particular was mostly just protestant propaganda

>https://youtu.be/CY-pS6iLFuc

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>>134594776
>All snowflakes have six-points
hmmm

>>134606762
>>134606762
>your face is symmetrical
bitch what, it's as asymmetrical as it can get

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Everything radiates from the center anon. Can you find yours?

>>134595289
>that's not real socia- I mean atheism

>>134609459
The magnetic field does not explain how light travels from stars millions of light-years away. But Aspden also goes into how a wave of a hologram of the particle which produces the energy, and the total image we perceive of a star is the sum total of the holographic waves protected by each particle of the star that has reached is, and so sensory equipment is incapable of distinguishing between particle and hologram. Of course, there are still major implications for the results of the double slit experiment...

>http://www.aetherscience.org/www-aspden-org/index.html

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>>134598756
Nice rock brother, I think I have a new hobbie

>>134609427

Everyone knows that.(Maybe not the atheists asking for "proof") Everyone knows you can't prove god. That's not why we discuss him.

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>>134596340

Just ask Alex Jones, he'll give you a basic gestalt

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>>134610162
I can't fucking type

>>134610162
I just realized, on my previous comment, when I said "cosmic rays" you may have thought I was talking about photons; I was not, I was primarily referring to particles that would decay into more unstable ones, e.g. muons.

Anyway, onto your current comment:
I'm not sure why the electric and magnetic fields cannot explain the transmission of light. It seems like a perfectly reasonable explanation, and I don't really understand this hologram stuff. But I suppose I should probably read it from the source rather than using you as a middle man if we're gonna dig more into Aspden's work...

>>134610744
*more stable

>>134594988
Positively believing in a God is just as ridiculous and the religious have about as much evidence for God being real as atheists have for God not being real

Fencesitter is literally the most intelligent position to have on religion

>>134610744
Yes, my English not too good today

>>134602977
>So there is something outside of nature that can create matter? What is it?
There doesn't have to be.
You're working under the assumption that causality is more than just something we observe in nature.

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>>134605929
>Perception and existence are the same thing
>being this retarded

are you really so feeble minding you can't imagine a situation where someone's perception of events could be wrong?

Everyone's perception is different, are they all correct?

>>134590292
https://math.mit.edu/research/highschool/primes/materials/2014/conf/3-1-Li.pdf

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Stars and planets are lights on the firmament not objects in outer space. Space isnt real.

Genesis 1:14-15
14And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: 15And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

Stars Close Up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbLu9fcQI4w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mWeYZhILFI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_ukxGhX0w0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afjcaJpMWyc

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if god isnt real then why does it go behind it?

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light in the firmament demonstrated

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>>134611444
>dreams are real too
>body doesn't exist when unconscious

>>134609455
Everything in the (physical) universe is happening right "now". Things on a larger scale will experience "now" slower while things on a smaller scale will experience "now" faster. Regardless, it's all happening right "now"; it always has and always will.

Everything that has happened, "now" only exists in consciousness as memory. Everything that will happen, "now" only exists in consciousness as intention.

Saying time is relative is just being stupid. An object moving faster than another is just using less "now" than the slower one to get to the destination.

Our technology is using more "now" to transfer data than it should for GPS optimization.

If you travel at the speed of light for 10 years, stay at your destination for 5 years and return back home. We will both be 25 years older regardless of where you went.

How hard is this to understand?

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more proof

god even put a fedora hat right there just so atheists couldnt say shit

>>134611739
That's provably wrong.

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why is the earth flat if god didnt make it

if you believe in a globe you cant actually be reasoned with , you live in a fake reality

>>134611642
If clouds are real, how come i can see them through my windows?

>>134612130
>tfw the Earth being flat is a literal Jew lie
Yet you still fell for it.

>>134606721
I present to you,
The Dunning - Kruger effect.

Observe how he ignores the reasoning, and regresses back to the previously rebutted statement adding the attack on my intelligence.

Hilarious

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>>134612130
No
Gtfo

>>134590292
the electric universe
https://www.youtube.com/user/ThunderboltsProject

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>>134612415

tide goes in; comes out; cant explain it

>>134606887
I wasn't arguing about creation, only the cause you claim inherent to creation

>>134602005

No.. god also requires god.

>>134590292
How does christ chan explain this?

>>134606881
Weak, unintelligible crap.

Enough reddit projection from you, newfag

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>>134612512
There's two halves of your dome
Still gtfo

>>134612613
But then god requires god too.
And god.
And god.
And god as well.
Not to mention god.

>>134612512
You still have not explained why the star trails go clockwise in the north and counter clockwise on the south, and vertical (about) on the Ecuador.

>>134612741

God-men all the way up. You're getting it!

>>134590292
God has infinite power. He chooses to use this power to make intricately-formed flake-like flakes made of frozen water, each completely unique.

>>134612935
You probably thought I forgot to mention god too.
But it was me. Dio.

>>134611739
Modern physics, not just the theoretical but also the proven, falls well outside of common sensibilities.

The movie interstellar was based on the premise of time dilation, so people ought to understand the idea. Time dilation is a repeatably proven phenoma.

How hard is it to understand?
Harder than you know, apparently.

>>134590292
>I cannot understand how simple snowflakes are made, therefore God exists
Congratulations retard.

>>134595788
This anon is right. Atheism is the affirmed belief that there is no God.

Agnosticism is the belief that one can not know; essentially that un-testable hypotheses are a waste of time.

Many people love to call themselves atheists and then present an agnostic position.

Such people are not well educated.

>>134611739
You are just changing the word time for now, what the hell.

>>134613227
All time dilation experiments assume that atomic clocks unaffected by all external forces.

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>>134613227
>HUEHHY i dun wathced the intaerstllar now i understand the universe

bruv a bare human cannot just pop out of a higher dimension without the appropriate technology to maintain your 3D form during transition. that movie has more holes than swiss cheese especially because the whole thing is based on "time".

>>134590292
Shit freezes yo

>>134603215
>the christfag is afraid of numbers

>>134608783
>everything happens in the "now"

Could just as easily use this argument spatially.

>Everything happens in the "here." There is no "over there" except in our heads

Literally the same argument, but people still fall into the trap of actually believing this is true or a useful interpretation of time.

>>134614010
Missed my point.

The movie explains the time dilation phenomenon to the masses.

I made no reference to wormholes or black hole entry.

Jokes are fun to make, but if you're too quick to joke that you misunderstand what's being communicated, you end looking a bit retarded. Bless your heart, sweetie.

>>134613840
Right, and by testing the null hypothesis, and remembering we can never rule out unknown effects, we measure what was hypothesized by Einstein and we conclude that what is generally believed about time dilation is the most correct explanation.

>>134613030

10/10 too good! Always love a good jojo ref.

>>134590292
This thread strikes me as incredibly fucking stupid.
>asking why snowflakes form with a crystalline structure
how does this even attempt to suggest that god exists in any shape or form?????
>taking a physical object and trying to use it to explain the existence of some god
>implying patterns cannot happen naturally without human or divine interference
>implying all snowflakes are perfect

>>134614669
Except I can experience "over there" while I'm still "here". Our interpretation of time is more misleading than it is helpful.

>>134614734
it's all literally based on clocks from our planet for fucks sake, as if our clocks determine the entire universe's time and that our measurement of age is set for everywhere else too

>>134615597
Wait until you read the guy who says time doesn't exist.

>>134590292
>how do atheists explain this?

math

we re living in simulation.

>>134616213
Congrats, you just moved from one unfalsifiable hypothesis to another.

If the EMDrive works I'll reconsider, but simulationism doesn't make that much sense with the current state of epistemiology.

>>134594950
I love you

>>134590292
Hexagonal crystals.

just a coincidence dude lmao a natural phenomenom

>>134590292
It is the water expressing energy from the other side. Some people think this is where our "soul" or consciousness comes from.

Your sky daddy still isn't real though.

>>134617091
That was the gayest thing i've ever heard. You're ducking retarded.
I want you to go kill yourself with your mothers kitchen knife, and leave a note that says "I'm a faggot. Sorry moms."

>>134590292
https://www.britannica.com/topic/geometry

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>>134596340
>particles plopping in and out of existence
Actually it is particle-antiparticle pairs that annihilate each other. This equates in net 0 energy good boy points.
However the pairs that get created at the event horizon of a black hole sometimes don't annihilate each other since one of the particles goes beyond the event horizon. This needs energy good boy points and that's also how black holes lose theirs as time passes

>>134595679
>>134596340
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawking_radiation

>>134594588
No, this is what American physicists and everyone who didn't get public education in the USA believe

>>134590782
What do you find so mysterious about crystallization
>>134595365
Nature came from the laws of physics

>>134594988
>>>134594404
>>But why do atheist have to explain anything ?
>For starters you can explain why you positively believe there is no God.
>Atheism is not merely the lack of belief in God, which is what they shrewdly claim, but rather the positive affirmation of a lack of God. Therefore they must provide proof if they want their scientific claim to be accepted.
You dumbass nigger you're thinking about gnostic atheism.

>>134593846
>How are snowflakes connected with atheism ?

no two fedoras are exactly alike

>>134590292
We are consciousness spawned to live briefly inside a math demon and animate its metabolic processes.

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>>134594931
Don't worry. My job is to undo all of the evolution you have just witnessed. G-d's chosen turn people from humanoid, back into pigs where they continue to regress back into primordial slime. We will turn the world back to it's original form - a lifeless volcanic abyss. Jews will make the world burn, and Tikkun Olam will be fulfilled!

>>134619253
>For starters you can explain why you positively believe there is no God.
You've never proven your gods exist, so there's nothing for atheists to disprove

OP did you never notice how when tornados tear through cities they sometimes randomly deposit materials into large complex structures? Or how when you spill ink sometimes it creates perfect works of art? No, that never happens right? So don't believe the fedoras when they ignore God's work even when it is all around us. The ultimate proof of God is that we exist at all, and that our universe exists at all.

>>134619253
>but rather the positive affirmation of a lack of God
That's a lie and a stupid one at that.

Do you believe in Ra? Jupiter? Odin? You are a non-believer in thousands of gods. To the believers of those gods, you are an atheist.

Because of your non-belief in other gods, that literally proves your gods are made-up too. Since every since god ever made up turned out to be made up, then the inductive evidence is that all gods are made up.

>>134620646
>they ignore God's work even when it is all around us.
How do we know that is not Odin's work? He did get rid of the Ice Giants, you know.

>>134620809
odin died at God's hands

>>134596471
Perhaps for particles.

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By looking to this

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>>134620646
digits earths flat

>>134590292
>how do atheists explain this?

105 degree separation between hydrogen atoms on a water molecule creates an electrical polarity on the water molecule, thus influencing their arrangement in macro-scale structures such as ice crystals.

>>134590292
>how do atheists explain this?
Why would non-believers ever need to explain anything but their non-belief?

>>134594931
What is this from?

STFU and post more cool snowflakes already. All of you.

>>134620809
Any gods that no1 believes in aren't gods

If energy cannot be created or destroyed (only transferred), does that mean that the Universe is infinite and has existed as infinity for the entirety of existence?

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>>134607582
what did he mean by this?

>>134621666
>Any gods that no1 believes in aren't gods
What has happened to all the gods of the past?
-->No one believes them any more.
What will happen to your gods in the future?
No one will believe in them anymore

Same as it ever was.

>>134596568
how does god exist before earth

checkmate religion fag

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>>134590292
here you go

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>>134623121
Because thats what makes a god a god, you pea sized brained radical atheists fag, God has no beginning nor no end, thats what makes god a god, you're obviously retard and have no common rational sense.

>Atheists i believe something can come out of nothing, DUUDHDHDUDH
not only is that irrational it goes against reality, nothing can not come out of nothing..

>Traditional Catholicism believes a divine being with infinite intellect created everything.
rational and simple.

>>134626177
upside down cant read.

>>134590292
There's something infinitely more beautiful in understanding how that drop of water cristalized into something so complex following hundreds of different laws discovered by humanity, than just writing it off as simply a creation for us dumb dumbs.

>>134627662
It's so simple yet so hard for some to except..

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>>134627662
>There's something infinitely more beautiful in understanding how

>>134630172
And only in the traditional catholic church can you, except god, hes infinite, trying to understand god would be like trying to understand all the numbers that is numbers..

besides, just because he can't believe something doesn't make it not true, not only is that selfish... i have to understand 100% of it before i believe it, which is totally unrealistic, we believe in false beliefs without knowing 100% of it all the time..

>>134595645
This is nothing more then nihilism shilled by kikes.

>>134593846
atheists tend to be special snowflake manchildren

It's always american retards posting these disarmingly stupid "arguments". We get it, you believe in a big man in the sky who cares about you, listens to your prayers and has a plan for you.
No wonder you woke up one day to find the jews in charge of your country; you're all retarded.

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explain this, Christfags

>>134621417
>>134594931
Can anyone answer this?

>>134590292
i would fuck that

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>>134609325
>posting worst girl
I miss old 4chan.

>>134631862
Have you ever considered that you might be so angry because you stopped believing in God and fell into nihilism? The most ancient of Jewish ploys (except money lending).

>>134631862
>No wonder you woke up one day to find the jews in charge of your country; you're all retarded
It's Because of turning away from god and falling for the (jewish) meme of atheism, that they are in charge.

>>134590292
tumblr

>>134632111
>>134621417

Darren Aronofsky's "Noah"

it's much better with the music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFCXHr8aKDk

>>134593846
Christians are special snowflakes and think everyone is as well. They call the unique shape of their snowflake a "soul." Endearing, isn't it?