What do you think happens when you die?

I have some personal beliefs on the matter.
>how can you as a thinking being disappear?
Think back before you were born, and realize that you as a thinking being is not the natural state of you, nothingness is.

When you die your 'soul' collects with the soup that is the universe and adds to collective consiousness, basically as an unthinking part of the feild. This feild is what people mistake god for, when you die you become god, but lose sentience.

>>134541634
>Think back before you were born, and realize that you as a thinking being is not the natural state of you, nothingness is.
That is different. you were born, thats when you (your soul) simply started. There was nothing before. But how can there be nothing after? after you as a being have been?

>>134541462
I think you're reborn, you were nothing before your born the then you were born then you become nothing again and the cycle repeats

>>134541462
I tihnk about the exact same as you OP.

Our awareness will be just gone and we dont even notice it maybe the last 2-3 after the hearth stopped working.

You can see it as a dream we have no control of our body but we know we are exist but after this 2-3 hours "you" completly dissapear.

>>134542083
Thats an interesting way to look at it and it may be right. When you die you will forget everything and are born again. could be

>>134541462
shure

>>134542396
I'm pulling it out of my ass mind you, but my logic is that let's say everything in the universe came together exactly in such a way that you were born. So you're born, you live your life, and then you die and you're returned to the void. Now let's say it takes 400 quadrillion time quadrillion years for the universe to come together in such a way for you to be reborn; it'll happen again because the universe is infinite and will exist forever, but that time will be nothing for "you," because you won't have consciousness during it so it'll just be like the blink of an eye, and pop there you are again in universe 2.0.

>>134542627
Wait so you think that the universe will create exactly "you" again because there is basically 100% chance for it happen since universe will exist forever?

>>134543049
Yup!

>>134542396
But i dont want to be reborn in India. This country is shit.

>>134543085
Thats very interesting and it basically makes sense. Thank you
>>134543125
Well in the worst case you can kill yourself and try again

>>134542627
Reminds me of an allegory of Nietzsche.
It goes like this:

What if a daemon popped up in your life and told you that from now on your life will be repeated forever and ever, would you curse it or would thank it?

Nietzsche didn't mean that life will repeat forever and ever, of course. But what he meant is that you should life in a way in which this is wanted.

>>134541462
You're not aware when you're dead. You will cease to exist, time itself and the universe and everything will cease to exist for you. It's not like you're going to spend eternity in a black void, there will be no colours not even black, when your conciousness dies, that's it. You just have to wrap your head around it and stop applying what you know from life, to death, because they are two seperate things. Life is awareness, conciousness, seeing, being, expericing. Death is non of that.

You just go. Imagine before you was born, it'l be like that.

The fedora is strong in this topic.

I'm keeping an open mind but in the end I'm going to prepare for nothing. It's probably better that way anyway.

>>134543493
I shouldn't try to retell, it looks better this way:

The greatest weight.-- What, if some day or night a demon were to steal after you into your loneliest loneliness and say to you: "This life as you now live it and have lived it, you will have to live once more and innumerable times more; and there will be nothing new in it, but every pain and every joy and every thought and sigh and everything unutterably small or great in your life will have to return to you, all in the same succession and sequence - even this spider and this moonlight between the trees, and even this moment and I myself. The eternal hourglass of existence is turned upside down again and again, and you with it, speck of dust!"
Would you not throw yourself down and gnash your teeth and curse the demon who spoke thus?... Or how well disposed would you have to become to yourself and to life to crave nothing more fervently than this ultimate eternal confirmation and seal?

I think it is a sensible idea to believe that your life will be repeated. It will drive you to better it.

>>134541462
You return to the nothingness from which you were once ripped out off and dragged into this world

>>134543665
I'v never asked old people this but I think it probably gets easier to accept death the older you get, it becomes more welcoming. Peace finally.

>>134541462

But what I think really happen, is exactly nothing. Your experiences simply stops.

I will be reborn as a god in an alternate universe.

>>134541634
>Think back before you were born, and realize that you as a thinking being is not the natural state of you, nothingness is.

Just because you cannot remember doesn't mean there was nothingness. What if a person has Alzheimer's? They can't remember stuff but they weren't nothing.

I am actually quite confident to what will happen. You will live again, although your memories and your personality will be completely gone. So called intangibles will remain.

>>134541462
I've been close to dying a few times. It's not bad. You start losing consciousness, which is blissful. You still feel like you want to live and somewhere in the back you wish to survive, but it wouldn't bother you to drift off. Then when you wake up you're glad.

>>134543546
Of course you are not aware, thats the point of this: try to think for a second about being nothing forever. Its impossible to be nothing forever. Thats my point

Or waht would it be when you die you wake up and just realize your just a ten year old kid in an indian slum in Mumbay like the other millions.

>>134541462
I use to be afraid of death, but now I really hope it is just nothing

>>134543878
It's not impossible to be nothing forever, you've already been nothing forever from the start of the universe to the day before you were concieved. You've already experiend death once before. You are returning to that state.

I had a seizure the other week, blacked out and woke up in an ambulance. I have no recollection f the seizure or the couple of minutes leading up to it. It was like being asleep without dreaming, I'd imagine it's exactly like that.

>>134541462

If you want to know go pay a doctor to stop your heart or stay in a freezer room until your heart slows to a stop.

You just go to sleep and never wake up, that is all.

>>134543260

>Thats very interesting and it basically makes sense. Thank you

It makes absolutely no sense at all... the simplest explanation is that life is created through a series of chemical reactions - creating cells, which merge to form microscopic creatures, who evolve into larger creatures and we eventually ended up with human beings.

We were created, live and die and have a finite amount of time each, afterwards we cease to exist. In the same way you step on a bug and kill it, that ceases to exist and will not exist ever again.

There's no logical sense to believe in a divine path or reincarnation of any kind.

>>134542083
This is the most logical answer. Finish the pattern.

Death-Birth-Death-?

>>134541462
The body dies but the soul moves on to a place where you feel nothing but pure unconditional love that feels greater than anything on this earth.

We are all Gods children and He loves you more than any parent has loved their child.

>>134544067
but the difference is you just never wake up

>>134542396
Id prefer to be nothingness after dearh than risk being born as a poo in loo

>>134544040
>>134544067
>>134544106
It feels like you people dont even think about this topic before you post. I know there will be nothing but i just cant imagine becoming absolutely nothing, being asleep without dreams forever. The more i think about it the more impossible it seems. Athough deep inside i know its true.

>>134544189
So to create life we just need to get the right chemicals? now THAT's retarded.

Been scared of the outcome for quite some time, desu. I think something happened in my childhood. Maybe it's because I've never had somebody close die. Only seen it happen in movies.

Even if I get over it, how do you comfort someone who is dying?

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If we die and just become nothingness for the rest of the existence of everything why the fuck aren't we already dead?

>>134544403
Well ofc. you cant imagine it op, you have never lived and then died, so how coukd you possibly truly imagine how death feels like ?

You cant, and dont think too much about it, it isnt healthy for the mind (in my opinion)

>>134544403

Because you're thinking of death as a state of being, rather than a state of non-being. Do you remember the period of time after you fell asleep last night to when you woke up this morning? No, it's not like you were hovering above yourself watching nothing happen, and in the same way, death won't just be you existing in some eternal void.

You just aren't there, no consciousness, no awareness, you aren't 'being'

>>134544436
But its true even scientists have created the pre form of life in a reagent glass only with chemicals.

>>134544403
Because you are failing to grasp a simple fucking concept you moron.

Hurr durr these multiple people who are telling me the answer are all wrong it's not just me the retard being unable to comprehend what they are telling me.

>>134544403

How about kill yourself and then tell us what its like

>>134541462
Well you see it's kinda the end except memories are linked cross time which is where deja vu comes in however you can never change the future thus making each time you live slowly devolve into a living hell that none can escape from.

You ever swear that you put the correct answer on a test just to get it back completely wrong? That is merely because you were supposed to get it wrong.

Ever fill out a document just to have it returned completely unrecognizable? That is because that is the way it was meant to be.

Throughout each life/repetition we suffer our original consequences. What causes the concurrency of memory is a mystery and probably just that which created the universe and mapped all actions of life

>>134541462
I believe in simulation theory, so we get our scores tallied up at the end and then go back in as another human if we want. simulation theory merged with reincarnation

There are no rewards for being an edge lord talking about an endless nothing after death.

The best thing you can do is live your life and hope for the best: the answer may be far different than any of us can imagine.

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you know that spot in your memory where you were in the womb? oh there nothing there?

that

>>134541634
You don't "become god" you become part of god.

>>134541462

you get to post on heaven /pol/

>>134544436

Stupid troll.

So the alternative is an invisible omnipotent being who sees all and does all, and this ISN'T retarded to believe in? Please...

We can witness life forming in a test tube through evolution of sperm and egg, show me how a god creates something?

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>>134541462
Did minecraft based now?

>>134541462
Science has a really good track record of coming up with theories, then acting on those theories to make things happen. Manhattan project, the steam engine, you name it. Science talks big, but it has the results to back those claims up. And at this point, science says when you die, you either get burnt to a crisp by cremation, and you get your ashes in an urn, or you get planted in the ground and you die. Why is that so bad? All you religious people freaking out and going through all these complex sermons, rituals, etc. Its fine. You die. You aren't going to care about it, you will be dead.

A question for you theists here, how scared are you of the 1800s? You weren't alive then. You won't be alive in the year 2200 either. We all fucking die. That doesn't mean you have no sense of morality, it means you will be judged by the people you leave behind. The only thing i find objectionable about dying is the weird shit that might happen when you are dying and your brain shuts down. I don't want to spent the last few minutes of my life on some insane acid trip as my brain stops working. I'd rather have control of it, and just blow my head off with a 12 gauge.

>>134544223
You are brainwashed.

>>134544223
Fuck off

>>134541462
nothing

>>134542083
exactly, all life is connected that way. My wildcard thought on this though is; is life connected everywhere in the universe?

>>134541462
You're send to a morgue where some pervert has sex with your dead body.

>>134544663

Anon that fairly easy explanation, you lose memory because your brain has to disconnect those synapses or you stay permanently infantile like all those spergs. That's why autists act like children because they still are, there brain didn't lose those connections which make them excel at learning math, art and holding memory. Would you rather keep those useless memories but be absolutely socially and mentally retarded you piss and poo yourself and have tantrums because your routine was interrupted.

reincarnation makes more sense to me than the wonderland in heaven after death.
but where does this councioussness go after death does it just appear instantly into another body?
what if you were to somehow revive the brain after death and become concious and sentinent after death in the same body?

I walked in the park with my grandmother yesterday and she believes in reincarnation.
she said why my cousin paints horrific painting sometimes is because that my cousin was part of the finnish winter war as someone who died and experienced the horrors of the war and expresses it in paintings.
He doesn't only do horrifying paintings he does quite normal ones aswell.

This reminds me of when I watched some of varg videos about reincarnation not saying im a big varg fanboy but he explained that we go to graves of our ancestors or some holy sites and try to remember our past.
and if were especially interested in things such as WW 1 or WW 2 it might be because we were from that era last life. Or if we are interested in fishing is because we were a fisherman in our last life.

It's funny to think. Inside you there are millions of cells that have potential to be birthed.
And to think that you came to a living from that one cell.
You are a product of another human and I think when you die, you die since there was no state before that particular sperm (aka you) was created.
>>134542396
Doubt it. I am fully conscious now. I simply can't imagine I lived somewhere in the past and I will forget this current life and be reborn.

this is a young's person problem

typically by the time you are 70 you will be begging for death for relief from the pain of a lifetime of tragedy

>>134544223
gods eternal life is reincarnation. life in itself is a miracle . Thus created Jesus as a way of self preservation.

>people in this thread implying that the human body doesn't exist in more than 3 dimensions of space all at once

I thought you science geeks loved string theory.

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>>134541462
Whatever happens, I just don't want to be conscious of it. I want death to be eternal sleep. I don't want to be able to look down and see my wife sucking some other guy's cock or my son become a raging commie faggot.

>>134545028
This is what I fear kind of.
Existance is pain, but I both don't want it to stop or to continue it forever.
Heaven sounds wonderfull but it'd get boring for a while.

>>134545028
CRAAAAAAAAAAAWLING INNNN MY SKIIIIIIIIIN
kek thats gonna be me when I become too old to move

>>134544995
>where does this councioussness go after death does it just appear instantly into another body?

people die and are born every second of the day. It makes sense that you die, see a bright light, and are born at a hospital.

>>134541462
You simply stop existing. That's literally it. No afterlife. No reincarnation. You just cease to exist.

In terms of what it feels like to die, I'm thinking it would feel something like falling asleep and not waking up. Think about it. When you're in the middle of sleep, there's nothing there. If you died, I don't think you'd notice anything.

>>134543493
Actually Nietzsche did believe in the eternal return straight.

>>134545157
>Existance is pain, but I both don't want it to stop >or to continue it forever.Heaven sounds wonderful
And this is why religion exists

>>134545195
But you're conscious of current life and not of the past. That's a hard concept to grasp.
Also unbelievable one since you're just a sperm that happened to be created inside your dad's balls.

>>134541462
everything arises from consciousness. it does not come from the brain. that is the error in your premise.

>>134544721

There is something wrong with being able to see all, especially thermodynamically.

Say, you have a creature which has as hobby observing all state in the universe. At a certain moment it will add the last fact, but if it does that, it changes it's own memory. Therefore it also had to note this. Now let say, this creature is horrendously efficient and his memory binary. It will add just a 1 to its memory at the end. But now his memory changed, so it needs to know that, so it adds another 1. But know.. ad nauseam.

So it's knowledge will look like a infinite stream of 1's:

..0101010111111111111..

Not terribly interesting. Further more information and energy are equivalent, just as energy and mass is. Therefore its mass will also grow infinitely, it will quickly remove itself from the universe by curving the space around itself.
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>>134545236

Really? Damn, I thought that ended with his Dionysian phase.

>>134541462
Same as when I go to sleep but the difference is that I will not wake up nor will I know I'm sleeping. I don't know what is happening nor will I be able to think. I will no longer exist.

>>134545348
Yeah but it seems blatantly false to me.
Perhaps if we discovered alien civilization and they happened to have the same scripture as one on Earth, then yeah, that'd probably be the word of God.
Again, very unlikely.

>>134545195
so you mean that fetuses are soulless?

Stop being fucking retarded guys cells die everyday, do you think cells go to another place in the universe.

Just stop being retarded for once and think. A cell is alive.

Consciousness persists.

You experience other realities.

>>134545349
I think life is more of a vessel energy force. Its not really (you) but us, one giant thing. When I die, my body dies but we continue on as long as we dont destroy each other.

>>134545205
Well how do you explain popping into existance and experiencing this as YOU from a universe which had no life at one point.

>>134545489

Shut up Australia how dare you, cells get converted into other things ENERGY NEVER DIES

And what if we have spirits and souls we arent just cells i fucking hate you for suggesting we dont go anywhere and we are just cells

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We're living in a multiverse. You actually would be able to perceive the afterlife if churches were teaching the baptisms of the Holy Spirit. This was the intent of the early Christian churches. They were nothing like today's Christian churches

Because you keep saying there's nothing after then you're killing your soul. That's what blasphemy does.

Heaven is a place where people have totally renounced their freedom to lie. The freedom to lie is nothing but the freedom to spread pain and suffering in return for an illusion of control. There's no need for it unless you participate in evil. This is a choice.

So yes, there is an afterlife, if you choose it. If you believe the universe lie vs multiverse truth you're literally killing yourself.

>>134544764
>>134544884
God loves you very much, everything will be okay.

>>134545586
That's my point. Nothing => consciousness. Consciousness => nothing.

>>134545488
no. maybe the timing on what i said was wrong. Although they might be until they are separated from their mother

>>134541462

Have you ever experienced body paralysis before? You're limbs and stuff stop working, you're unable to move and you fall asleep. I think it's like that.

>>134545774
consciousness is definitely something man. You can argue that about the sub-consciousness but there is so much that goes on their that we still dont understand that its hard to argue that as well.

>>134545659

People die from cell degeneration. Meaning you are nothing BUT cells.

>>134541462

Pretty sure you unplug yourself and go to sleep because this is all just one giant fucked up education system and death isn't real.

>>134544995
Consciousness is created by the brain - your feeling of being alive, being able to think, interpret your senses, etc. is just a feeling created by your brain - it helped us evolve to be more intelligent and give us a survival advantage above other organisms. When you die, since brain activity stops, you lose consciousness much like you are sleeping, I guess, since when you are sleeping the part of the brain responsible for causing consciousness is inactive (this applies to the gaps between REM sleep, when you're not dreaming - you have no awareness of your existence, time passing, or anything - there's simply nothing).

Life is simply a chemical reaction though (literally, it is). It's irrational to say that consciousness is transferred to other people or things after you die since that would suggest that consciousness is hosted, supported, by something which isn't a brain but something bigger, which is physically impossible.

>>134545774
well then your consciousness gets reincarnated in a way.

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>>134541462
It is possible with training to remember your dreams. Even the non-REM aspects of sleep can be remembered/experienced.
We spend so much time in the 'waking' world that we see the dream world as the illusion. We use the memes we find here, even the same metaphysical concepts, and it doesn't get you very far in understanding the dream world. Ultimately, mediating for long periods of time can unlock a deeper understanding of what goes on 'there'. Dying is like that, only there is no return. As a biological expression of the laws of reality, your form can 'tune into' the element of consciousness. It isn't a phenomenon created by your brain, but something you tune into, like a radio; you have form, that form expresses consciousness.
Your perspective of consciousness can be transcended with Raja Yoga. I will outline a step by step process for coming to know God. It developed me from being a militant rationalist (spiritual autist) to having an understanding of what religion is actually getting at. For me personally, it started when I began practicing yoga and reading the writings of Crowley on mysticism.
We come from a place, and we will go back there when we die.

Not political, but a good thread nonetheless, so fuck it, lets go.

Question for all anons:
Is biology the result of consciousness, or is consciousness the result of biology?

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>>134546075
Research these terms and practice them in order if you want answers. All the prophets did this in some form, yoga is the science that has spent he most time perfecting it. The terms, in order, are:

Asana
Yama & Niyama
Pranayama
Pratyahara
Dharana
Samadhi

Each one is perfected in order and transforms your consciousness into something that cannot be properly articulated into language, you have to experience it for yourself.

They are basically:
>Asana
Preparing the body for meditation. This could be anything as long as it can be held for a long time. The best postures for meditation involve keeping the spine erect and in alignment.

>Yama & Niyama
Continences. Abstain from things that excite. Traditional practices have been very specific but really everyone is different. If you can meditate immediately after eating or smoking or having sex then maybe that's okay for you.

>Pranayama
Twofold. Practice maximising your intake and outtake of breath, exaggerate it. This is the first part, the second is to simply notice your breath without affecting it in anyway whatsoever. Simply 'notice' it, the intake, the outtake, and any natural pauses that may occur.

>Pratyahara
This is the first one that will seem odd to people that have never experienced it consciously, but it's like sleep. It basically means shutting off the senses and all external perception. Master each preceding stage and the next stage will always come eventually. When you experience it, you will notice that your reality is entirely composed of your mind. It is obviously effected by objective reality, but in attaining dharana you learn that every aspect of reality that you experience without exception is a hologram created by your brain. This is where it gets weird. The next stage basically involves becoming aware that even though all your reality is a hologram, there is still yet an 'unknown outside' beyond your conscious perception.

>>134545956

Energy never dies and youre forgetting the spirit you think were just bodies flesh and bones and meat

the cells go other places to so youre wrong about that ausfailia KYS

>>134545966
Problem is that majority of people can't find comfort in what you said.

>>134541462
My theory is that if you can be born once you can be born any number of times. The time you spend "dead" will pass instantly, since you won't be able to observe it. I can't find a reason to be any more scared of death than falling asleep.

>>134544764
Nice rebuttal!

I fully believe that death wont just be "nothing". I believe that I will be on my way to Heaven as my soul will continue to live on after my human body dies. I will go to the place Christ has prepared for me.

>>134541462
you respawn in your bed

>>134541462
This world is a game , so you go back to reality

this used to be common knowledge until the ego took over everyone's minds and people become dumber than animals

I'd like to believe you are either reincarnated or repeat your life over and over and over and over without knowing it.

Trying to grasp the concept of 'eternity' drives me insane. We're not meant to understand things that last forever. Everything in our lives is meant to have a beginning and an end.

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>>134541634
>Think back before you were born, and realize that you as a thinking being is not the natural state of you, nothingness is.

If our previous state was an eternity of nothingness, could that mean we all experience the universe simultaneously?

From each individual's perspective, there wouldn't be any difference between eternity and eternity + x years. Comparing each person's experience of life, we all gained awareness at the same moment and we each experience a present that's relative to our births.

>>134546120
Consciousness is a result of biology. Our brains are fucking wierd hut we are far from the only species that are self-aware.

>>134541462
i think you will probably go into some sort of dream state seconds before death and as you have no sense of time when you are unconsious it would feel like forever. heaven or hell is the metal state you receive based on you life experience.

>>134546183
I don't believe intelligent people fear death. Most people just fear being in pain until they die. Also missing your loved ones is sad.

>>134541462
the avocado of this bread is that there is no soul, you get brainfarts over nothing, the question of how can a thinking being just disappear is just denial and fear its not a question, you said it well with your sleep analogy, actually im even more interested in thatone than death, sleep is like death but somehow "you" come back but maybe were wrong about all this and in the end there is no central "you" that is you. Its just the brain doing its thing and sleep where you apparently loose yourself is just another mechanism of the whole maybe the "you" is being generated only when you actively recive information through your senses and when you sleep those processes are or not in priority. Instead it switches to this learning/repairing phase where it reviews accumulated information and strengthens connections and perhaps makes new connections in the brain.

>>134541462
Disease and natural factors break down matter. Think of wood rot, metal rusting, grain rotting. Does anything completely disintegrate the soul? The soul may be damaged but is never destroyed.

Reminder that Atheist are inherently anti-Western and will be treated as such when the time comes.

>>134546153

spirits doesn't exist you fucking mong, you probably believe in magic too. How about you kill yourself first to prove your retarded theory that ghosts and goblins exist.

I think that you get reborn qs diffrent people when you die, slowly building up for your soul to become more pure, in other words.. this is purgatory

>>134543049
Since every cell in your body dies, what do you think is "you" to begin with? The preservation of memories? What about memories you forget? Is that you dying? And when all memories are forgotten by you, are you then dead?

>>134544403
I feel you man.

I think the afterlife gonna be mad as fuck desu. Sometimes I think about killing myself not because my life is so bad but because I think the afterlife will be so much better, but what do I know.

Somewhat troubling for me is that I feel more and more like the nature of the universe is actually evil as fuck. Been thinking more and more about demons and satanism and shit. Its just interesting that humans have a clearer conception of what hell could be than heaven. I mean, whats in heaven, a bunch of clouds and your dead relatives? while for hell we get a whole bunch of great visuals like what constitutes most of modern fantasy... that old guy hieronymus bosch or whoever. maybe I've just read too many warhammer books but I'm starting to believe the afterlife is straight run by demons

>>134546230
fuck off
>>134546349
thats the reason why its so weird. the forever part is what makes it kinda scary

>>134546614

wow go fuck yourself you scummy ausfailian telling me spirits dont exist, stop being so arrogant and mocking people, you have no EVIDENCE spirits dont exist. all you say is "MUH CELLS" and shit like that. yeah even cells go somewhere dipshit, energy never dies. so now what you got nothing. why cant you just embrace a spiritual afterlife we can be happy together there come on faggot

One of the biggest questions I had is, given I am just a bunch of matter and chemicals arranged in such a way that I exist and function, which I believe, how was I 'assigned' to experience this sentience?

>>134546703
we are meerely animal who think deeper than others (as far as we know). everything people do we do thanks to out genetics. god is a spiritual tool to live a 'moral' life by human standards.

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theres only one way to find out then lads
follow my lead boys

>>134546231
>you respawn in your bed
it's exactly like reality because you die with nothing...unless of course we have the 'keep inventory' option selected. Otherwise, you're gonna have to sprint to where you were before it all despawns

>>134546442
But what if consciousness is like, a base entity, without emotion or memory, but just... some kind of... awareness.

I can't articulate it, but imagine that consciousness (as we perceive it) is limited in it's complexity by the apparatus that supports it.
If your consciousness latched onto a dogs brain for example, you would have the emotional and cognitive limits of a dog.
Because it happened to 'latch on' to a human brain, you have the complexity and sentience of a human.
This would explain how we are not the only self-aware species, while also accounting for the various 'levels' of awareness in the universe.
What it doesn't explain is the source of the original baseline consciousness.

Of course this could be a simulation (more chance than not), in which case 'death' is a very, very different concept altogether.

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>>134546868

When you die you are going straight to the hell dimension where demons and evil apparitions will torture your "soul" for eternity you'll suffer excruciating pain and torment forever and ever.

>>134546153
True, energy is never lost, however it can degrade.

Let's take the sun. The sun has a very concentrated type of energy in its core. It is called hydrogen, just matter. Then when these gets fused, a neutrino is produced together with helium and a photon. The neutrino is energy, which isn't useful, it doesn't interact with matter. Helium is also less useful as fusion fuel, so there is something lost too. The photon travels slowly through the photosphere, where it finally goes to the earth. When it hit a solar cell, it gets converted into heat and electricity. The electricity gets into a electromotor, which will convert it to kinetic energy and heat. Then the kinetic energy dissipates into the environment and gets converted to more heat, which doesn't do work at all.

All the energy still exists, but it is becoming less and less useful. So even if we had a soul composed out of energy, it will degrade over time. This is called entropy. Dead will stil exists in such a scenario.

Actually in cells something similar happen, degradation of cells is also entropic in nature.

>>134544753
Your right about the crazy hallucinations,
It's very common in palative care for people to be aloof and closed off from the real world- because they are hallucinating vividly, typlically of comforting images and friends/family who've already died. when my dad went he was completely disinterested in the room around him and was convinced his mum and dad were holding him and his mum was singing. It was weird but he seemed happy.

>>134545956
Technically we're just a pattern in space, kind of like an old movie reel. Our physical bodies and actually quite fluid, constantly swapping molecules out and all that. About every seven years your physical form is completely different to the old one at the atomic level. So saying your just physical stuff is a bit misleading, your really just a persistent and self aware collection of information which directs the construction of a body.

>>134541462
If you believe in Jesus you go to heaven, if not you burn in hell for all eternity.

>>134545525
Consciousness is one of many dimensions. The brain is a receiver that induces from this dimension.

>>134546614
The mark of an extremely unhappy person with no wisdom. Hopefully you eventually find your way.

God gave up a long time ago. He's busy decorating galaxies, creating new Milky Ways and expanding the limits of the Universe. The proof lies in recent history when he was a no[show at a time when his chosen needed him most

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>>134547285

Say hello to pinhead when you die.

>>134542627
This is what I always told myself, never knew how to explain it though

>>134547090

KYS youre a far worse person than me ausfailia you'll go to hell far before i do whats wrong with you

>>134547110

but what if the soul does not operate on the same basis

you have no explanation for that so there

>>134545774
Notice a pattern? ;)

>>134547191
Fuck off

>>134547419

From a country that supports bestiality the act of the devil and pedophilia you'll be burning in fire way before anyone on the earth does.

>>134541462
>What do you think happens when you die?

When you're dead you're done you're dead you die and life goes on.

Pascals Gambit.

If my interaction with the universe stops at death then, relatively speaking, every moment from then until the heat death of the universe condensed into one crazy second and the end of existence.

Pretty crazy.

>>134542028
Energy never stops existing. Your beginning of existence coincides with all matter. The tools for consciousness were harvested from other places and when you "die" your parts live on.

So much nihilism and maybe one or two people who believe in a greater heaven

It's really disheartening to see so many people with a really bleak outlook on life and death, either nothingness or endless cycle of suffering.

>>134547584

from a country that hates each other on the basis of banter and raped and murdered abos and lost wars to emus you are the first in line to be anal fire raped by satan's gigantic cock

were second in line though dont worry but i have disavowed this nation you are still proud of yours thats so sad ausfailia

>>134547419

Then it starts to become interesting with all kind of new and exciting physical phenomena.

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>>134547419
>YOU CANT PROOF SOOL DONT NOT EXIIST FOGGOTOFF
>mah saal is diffrent maan it doesnt degrade im specuul u haff no proofs mah sool dont not exist

while sure a canadian is being canadian here its still baffling to see the extent of canadianism.

>>134545712
Nice to see someone spreading the light

>>134545966
You are never 100% you as cells die. If energy never dies, a % of you will be reused in the universe eventually as we theorized the universe is infinite in time. That is the solace we can bring. Eventually the configuration of your "self" will reemerge in another form, just as it does with every morning when you wake up.

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>>134542028
>But how can there be nothing after? after you as a being have been?

Because your body and brain stop working. How is this confusing

>>134547815
>Energy never stops existing

Yeah, and when you die the energy stored in your body parts get eaten by other organisms

>>134547584
But my guess then, will be that whatever a soul is composed of then doesn't interact a lot with matter, otherwise we already would have found it already. So detection will be hard.

>>134544473
Because you're alive

>>134541462
Yep, oblivion, nothing more.

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>>134547375
>We have such sights to show you
One of my favorite movies but you're missing the point. I used to be like that. It's no skin off my back if you live without meaning.

>>134541462
>how can you as a thinking being just dissapear?
how can you, as a thinking being, just appear in the first place? Like how can a mass of cells just start 'thinking'?

>>134541462
There can be only 2 reasonable theories on this subject. If you don't count the obvious null-theory of course...

1) The matter somehow transforms within the soil, and you will be reborn as a bug, or worm, or animal. As the animals are being consumed by other creatures, including humans, the matter may travel up the food chain over time, and your essence might be used in the future to form another human baby... All this is possible, of course, only if you are buried in the earth. Don't trust the crematory Jew.

2) After billions and trillions of years, as planets and stars die and all matter changes its composition, the matter that constitutes "you" might be used for the creation of unknowable forms... Assuming that the universe will always continue existing in some form, such events as the Big Crunch+Big Bang, black hole singularity explosion, supernova explosion, or explosion of dark matter into normal matter - all these events can trigger "your" essence to assume a new living form. This will work especially if the universe is cyclical, and if the total "heat death" theory is wrong. The rebirth might even happen before the "heat death", but it will still require hundreds of gorillions of years... In fact, time just doesn't matter at this scale. After dying, the new "you" might be "reborn" an infinity amount of "years" into the "future"...

>>134543760
Anyone that has tasted death knows of the calming feel. Personally, I've had a few brushes and my biggest takeaway was the feeling of acceptance.

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>>134545586
Life developed
Your parents fucked
You were born

>>134547842
>It's really disheartening to see so many people with a really bleak outlook on life and death, either nothingness or endless cycle of suffering.
It's somehow better to lie and deceive ourselves? How exactly is that so?

>>134541462

Ok, so your heart has stopped beating. Oh shit...What now?

Your brain will still be able to process 99% of what it is right now, but as the seconds go by it'll slowly stop working. Electrical impulses slow down, your ability to process what is happening will stop, until eventually all your brain sees is light/dark, and then...Poof. Nothing. No thoughts, no emotions, nothing. You can't even be sad about it, because you no longer exist. You won't be happy, sad, angry, glad....just not there.

And the universe will continue on its merry way, and you will not give a fuck.

>>134546937
yes I know that a lot of religion is a way to keep order. But you're conflating religious ideas which actually are mostly about what you're talking about with legitimate investigation into the afterlife. We see how in nature theres a sort of harmony between things. the solar system had to be in such and such a way to create humans. In the same way I don't see why spirituality couldn't both be the truth as well as serve a practical purpose for the mundane

>>134541634
Yeah I think of this too, everything is a duality in this universe. We come here to experience Self, we then pass away to experience Oneness..

>>134547995
>If energy never dies, a % of you will be reused in the universe eventually

Yeah as food. I don't understand this way of thinking. Your body is energy, yes. When you die your biomass gets consumed, no energy stops existing. I don't understand how this is supposed to mean you live forever or some shit

>>134547842
Your greater heaven is white robes, clouds, and beards. My greater heaven is people like you being proven wrong.

>>134548513
It is not lies and deception.

>>134546454
first off that sounds like bullshit
but if its true its pretty fucking scary even if i would go to haven
>>134548408
yeah thats basically the same. shit like this makes people belive in gods
>>134548412
the second theory doesnt sound bad
>>134548513
exactly

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One thing I can almost guarantee, since I'm over 30 and coming from experience here, is that a lot of these people that are "sure" of no creator or soul or anything are randomly extremely unhappy. I used to be a Fedora tipping atheist. Read A Confession by Tolstoy, Plato's Republic, and the Memoirs of Marcus Aurelius. There is more but those are great starts. Organized religion is a turn off, especially this newly subverted 'bend over and lube up' form of Christianity. There is much more than that and you need to build it in yourself, best way I can put it for now.

>>134548513
>It's somehow better to lie and deceive ourselves? How exactly is that so?

senpai desu the way I see it is that in a strictly logical brain, knowing that in the end there is nothing, means that nothing matters at all. You can say you're working to some common good but that's an even bigger spook than god. Without continuity theres no reason to do any one thing or another. If you can convince people that what you do here will carry on into infinity then I think you will motivate people a lot more than saying that life sucks then you're dead. People would just give up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peMIHK87e6w

>>134541462
What happened before you were born? Literally nothing. You die, that's it.

>>134548938
>>134548938
>People would just give up
Why is that a bad thing? You godfags love to spew about some inner peace but more as I get to know you fags more do I see you don't really posses any.

>>134548938
Yes, nothing matters. Maybe its hard for you to take it but its true. There is no point of life, which basically means that the only point of life is to ejoy life as much as you can

>>134548877

I think the universe is cyclical. If the big bang can happen from 'nothing', what is to stop it happening again after this universe is fucked. Its timescale would be unimaginable, even to Jewish people....gorillions x gorillions of years.

The universe might cycle over uber-gorillions of times, before the atoms that constitute 2017 you manage to reform. And then poof, you are there, reborn, memoryless, ready to rock a new life.

And you are right, as you are an unthinking, uncaring, 'idea', it should be instantaneous. You die, uber-mega-gorillions of centuries pass, you reform....in 1940s germany, as a little juden baby.

Good luck.

Once you die you wake back up in hell which is this life unless you've accepted Christ as your savior then you go to rule with the Father.

Accept him brothers and leave this perpetual cycle of misery and decay.

>>134549317
Yeah some people mentioned this theory before, its probably the most possible one in this thread and i really like it

I think of it this way. What do you remember prior to birth? Nothing, of course. Is that a scary thought to you? It's not to me.

People don't fully understand nothing. Nothing is not a black void, it's not like going to sleep, because both of those are something. You experience blackness or voids, you can't experience nothing, because it's nothing.

Again, just use that example I stated at the start of my message. There was nothing prior to birth. No bright light, no God, no black void. True nothing.

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>>134543651

>The fedora is strong in this topic.

This, lmao.

Fedoras jerking each other off to random theories like "yeah sure it will be one of these, because sure as fuck I don't want to go to church on Sundays"

All the fancy words like "returning to the ((abyss)), the ((void)), the ((nothingness))"... Basically the fancier the word sounds, the more likely it's going to be the case.

Now hold on for a minute, let's rewind a bit back to the beginning of times, sure you remember how we were though about the Big Bang... The singularity, the incredible heat, the infinite density, then explosion, expansion etc... But where did that singularity came from? Which card are you going to play, the "we don't know yet" or the "well that's just one special phenomena of a nature"? Or better yet, are you going to come up with your own special explanation for a matter creating itself out of nowhere?

Now be honest with yourselves for a bit, deep down you know that the only reason you're lying to yourself this way is because you can't break free from the consumption lifestyle.

But look at it this way, what do you have to lose by being a Christian? If Christians are wrong, nothing happens, you just missed on some adultery (which - let's be honest - most of you pollacks aren't getting anyway), maybe a bit of alcohol, a bit of general consumption. If Christians are right, you go to heaven instead of hell after you die. Speaking of which, there're a lot of misconceptions about Christians - for example, you don't have to go to church every Sunday. Sure it doesn't hurt, but it's really more of a community building. Spiritually wise, reading a Bible for 5 minutes gives you about the same. It's really about being open to the concept and most important not being a dick, which is really a rule of a thumb of Christianity.

Or you can continue coming up with empty phrases regarding the afterlife to make yourselves feel smarter and less afraid. Tough pick.

>>134544607
hows the slippage into schizhood going? or r u just tarded

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>>134541462
After you die your soul is brought before Saint Peter on behave of God.

If you where a good person, lived a moral life, and did your best to make the world a better place for everyone, than you a granted eternal Happiness in heaven with Jesus

If you where a bad person, and lived a life of cheating, lieing, and stealing in your own selfish pursuits, than you a damned to Hell, or eternal separation from God (you dont want this).

>>134544672
this would be lit famalam

>>134549273
Why is giving up a bad thing?? man I'm not you're spiritual counselor I can't riddle for you what's right and wrong but on a societal level you can see how it'd be hard to maintain things if people couldn't be arsed to get up in the morning

>>134549283
Lad your opinion is not something thats hard for me to take. I'm a teleologist though. I don't feel like we were randomly evolved here only to realize that nothing matters and thus collectively give up trying

>>134549710
Nonsense I'm a level 20 Marauder

>>134541462
Nothing, an inconceivable nothingness we are nothing more than cells and everything that you are and will be is nothing more than electrical signals wizzing around in your gray matter and chemical reactions. We like to believe in the heavens and souls to comfort us from the fact eveything we do is futile. only niggers belive in the magic man who comes back from the dead and there being an eternal paradise after death

>>134549557
>Or you can continue coming up with empty >phrases regarding the afterlife to make >yourselves feel smarter and less afraid.
Told by christian fag who made up "god" to make himself less afraid of death. Seriously fuck off with your fairy tales
>>134549755

>>134549283
You are holding a degenerate view of things with the nazi flag? Is this bait? Read some books man. I listed some. You guys act like this is some new thing to be "enlightened" and not believe in anything. I'm trying to be nice because I was like you but at the same time it's frustrating seeing the naivety. Some of the smartest people that we know about (who have written) believe in something greater, I wonder why. Maybe if you actually read more and think about it with true reflection you may get a glimpse of it.

you go poopy

>>134545107
this.

>>134550076
this tbqhfamalam

>>134541462
To me? Nothing. I'll be dead.
Rest of the world will carry on business as usual.

>>134545205
i'd wager there's a brief moment where you feel as though you understand everything as you let go of your body and depending on the choices you've made it will either be entirely comforting or frightening

There is no god, at least from the vision that humans have, trying to explain the great complexities of our universe.
The form as you take now, it may never happen again. At the atomic level, the arrangement that has been formed will never occur again. At least not mathematically for nearly infinite time. But it doesn't mean you won't become something else, in part or otherwise. We are all a part of the universe. You and the things you see on this Earth, elementally, are all made of the same stuff. The only question is what has allowed you to experience this form among the universe.

>fedora-tier "lol eternal nothingness"
>consciousness is energy, guaranteed reincarnation on a long enough timeline
>generic afterlife/heaven, go give your skydaddy a hug
If dreams are any indication, there's something more to consciousness than we can perceive as humans. We won't truly know until we can resurrect someone from brain death or create true artificial intelligence.

>>134547947

>t. retard

>>134547934

at least youre not being blasphemous anymore thanks

>>134549557
>All the fancy words like "returning to the ((abyss)), the ((void)), the ((nothingness))"... Basically the fancier the word sounds, the more likely it's going to be the case.

They're just a way of saying you stop existing

>>134549843
>on a societal level you can see how it'd be hard to maintain things if people couldn't be arsed
So solution to that problem is blatant lies while smiling to their faces and using them as piggy banks according to you? You guys are the real perverted and twisted ones.

>>134549557
>But look at it this way, what do you have to lose by being a Christian? If Christians are wrong, nothing happens,

This is the weakest argument for religion ever, and I hate it.

I could use that same reasoning to convert to Islam, and then joining up with fucking ISIS, because hey ho, so what if I'm wrong.

Or I join a cult and kill myself and my whole family Jim Jones style, because again, what have I to lose. Amiright

It's fucking dumb. I hate when people try to use fear of death as a justification for religion, because it just doesn't hold up to any scrutiny.

Anon how high are you right now?

>>134541462
Logically you could blow your brains out right now. It wouldn't hurt and you'd cease to exist.
>But I want to be around for x
Why? Once your dead it doesn't matter.
>X will miss me/I'll hurt folk I care about
Again, why does it matter. You're not gonna ghost back to earth and see the pain you left behind. Why are atheists so afraid of death is the better question. At least if you believe in an after life you're stuck with what you left behind

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