Is an alliance with Russia THAT bad?

There can't be an alliance as it is. Conflicting geopolitical interests. Both the US and Russia would have to change a lot of things to make this possible.

Seems like were off to an excellent start though. You skeered canada?

oh yeh. canada is scared. muwhahahha

>>134494284
"alliance" is a nice way to put it. US is a puppet state of Russia for now.

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>>134494284
>is an alliance with Russia that bad?
pic related, it's you!

>>134494284
>Is an alliance with Russia THAT bad?
Yes.

/Pol/tards are absolutely certain that Yuri Bezmenov was right about Putin's KGB deliberately deploying Kremlin disinformation to destroy America during the Soviet days.

Right-wing conservatives are equally absolutely certain that Putin's FSB cannot possibly be deploying Kremlin disinformation to destroy America today.

The Kremlin is launching cyberwarfare attacks against the US, stealing sensitive data, hacking US servers, launching disinformation campaigns and trolling social media with web brigade armies and Putinbots.

Trump has instructed Tillerson to be "good friends" with the same treacherous perpetrators attacking us and trying to destroy America,

Meanwhile the right-wing conservatives are cheering for it. In fact, they are on their knees worshiping the Kremlin and taking turns sucking Putin's cock.

The liberals are the only patriots left in America now.

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>>134497180
>The liberals are the only patriots left in America now.
The funniest part about this is that you're actually dumb enough to believe this.

The liberals are the fruits of the USSR's subversion, you imbecile!

>>134497404
>gulp gargle swallow burp!
I'm sorry, I can't make out what you're saying with Putin cock so far down your throat.

>>134496812
bwaaaahahahahahahahaha, wait ... were you being serious

>>134497180
>>Disinformation campaigns
>>Trolling social media

This is why the Democrats lost. They think people are stupid enough to fall for "disinformation" and negative comments on social media.

>>"Not one vote changed" MULTIPLE SOURCES

BTW what about freedom of speech?

Two reasons.

1. Any alliance with "Russia" is not actually with Russia, it is with the mafia-like apparatus that infests Russian state institutions, of which Putin is at the head. You are allying with criminals and scum - essentially, you're asking "is an alliance with the Cartels THAT bad?" If you can stomach working with them then it's not really a problem but for anyone who is of a moralistic bent Russia should be opposed on general principles as the USSR was before.

2. Why would we? Seriously, what does the US gain out of an alliance with Russia? Russia is not a serious threat to US power and an alliance with the US would be a result of US acquiescence to Russian power-building, not a check on it. An "alliance" with Russia is essentially the US surrendering to Russia. We could have an alliance with Russia fucking tomorrow if Putin stopped killing people and invading sovereign nations.

The only "alliance" I can see is an anti-China pact where we agree to let Russia have basically free reign in Eastern Europe (minus Poland) in exchange for significant Russian support against China, economically and militarily. Then we invite India to the pact and settle ongoing India-Russia disputes and fund economic links between those two countries and we have effectively built a US-Britain-(hopefully)EU-Russia-India pact against China and can reduce those fucking yellow monkeys into the dirt from whence they came.

But our leadership lacks the vision for that.

And we still have to deal with Russia afterwards.

>>134494284
It's not an alliance. You know that Putin hates America right? He wants to see you retards fall and Trump will get the job done.

>>134498688
>>Mafia like apparatus...
Can you say that the US government (or any government the US is allied with) is any better? We currently work with worse devils than the Russians.

>>What does the US gain?

What does the US gain from supporting the dead-weight of the EU? While the US does most of the heavy lifting, the eurotrash enjoy plenty of socialized benefits because their defense is subsidized by the American taxpayer. At least the Russians have a competent military.

Seriously, stop getting your views of international politics from antiquated Cold War beliefs and movies.

Nope. You need to give your life for me in case Russia attacks.

Fat fucking 60% white american faggot.

>>134498839
So he rose to the highest office in Russia, just to give the US the middle finger? You realize in this interconnected world, an unstable US is bad for Russia too, right?

>>134494284
Of course it's bad
Why would you want two white Christian nations to unite ???
They both have minority issues in their homelands and unification could bring us to a new golden age

>>134499540
I can't imagine how cucked you must be to think that Putin just wants what's best for America

>>134494554
not really since most of these disputes are petty shit compared to a very real threat of Chinese domination

>>134499353
>>Can you say that the US government (or any government the US is allied with) is any better?
Yes, I can categorically state that the US government is a morally superior government to the Russian government.

>What does the US gain from supporting the dead-weight of the EU?
An enormous military presence in Europe that extends US hard power across the Atlantic ocean. US military bases in foreign countries are not charity.

>stop getting your views of international politics from antiquated Cold War beliefs and movies
Oh the fucking irony. I get my views of international politics from an array of academic journals specifically focused on political economy. Where do you get yours from? /pol/ and Breitbart?

>>134494284
Neocucks want to keep NATO at war with Russia to sell more weapons; and libcucks hate Russia because it's traditionalist, nationalist, and white.

>>134494284
Abandon Western Europe.
Align with Russia, Eastern Europe, based Phillipines, and put pressure on Britain to conform if they don't wanna be isolated after EU exit

>>134497180
Lmao go back to your discord server kiddo

>>134497180
>>134497603
>liberals are the only patriots left in America

Right, which is why you're giving away to Mexico.

Maybe take that Nieto cock out of your mouth.

>>134500342
Hey man, tacos and Islam are way better than -- ok I can't do it with a straight face

INB4

US + Inida + Russia VS China and NK

Russia and india split china and we get the rest of nk for the sk

>>134499893
What makes us morally superior? We openly back the tyrants in Saudi Arabia, to say nothing of our history of supporting murderous tyrants in South America and Asia. To act as though an alliance with Russia is beneath the US is utterly ridiculous.

>an array of academic journals specifically focused on political economy

Stop with the pretentious bullshit.

sometimes it amazes me how stupid trolls are, its like wow look how hard they're trolling us to prevent russia and the US from working together

but to be honest, sure russia is "evil" but far less then the mudslums. and if russia and the US could get on the same page about china and muslims, then we really could destroy gobalism. mostly because everyone already realizes how retarded africa is, we need to fight the war against china, while preventing mudslums from bombing us back to the stone age with there suicide vest and trucks of peace

tldr: yes its a good thing, highly doubtful it'll ever happen

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>>134494284

>>134500713
>t. Cruz

>>134500713
Reagan regularly worked with Gorbachev. Their uneasy friendship is often credited with having helped to end the Cold War.

>>134494284
I actually wish he was colluding with Putin. Sadly he isn't

>>134500534
>What makes us morally superior?
I didn't say "us" I said "the US government."

The US government is morally superior because it is an accountable, legitimate government and not literal crime lords who make their money by trafficking drugs through Spain and stay in power by rigging elections and assassinating defectors with polonium so that they die in the most horrible way possible.

>To act as though an alliance with Russia is beneath the US is utterly ridiculous.
It's beneath me, at least. I don't know about you. There are always weaklings in every society who love security so much they'll sell out every principle they have to acquire it.

>Stop with the pretentious bullshit.
Reading academic journals is not pretentious it is literally a fucking requirement to participate in this debate as anything more than another slack-jawed drooling idiot. You read a few blogposts on the internet and thought about the 'issues' for half an hour and think you've come to some interesting conclusions? Go fuck yourself.

Like I said, Russia can have an alliance with the US fucking tomorrow - all it has to do is behave as a good global citizen instead of as the network of criminal scum that it really is. Nobody in the US is opposed to an alliance with Russia - they are opposed to obtaining such an alliance by acquiescing to the criminal behaviour that Russia is engaged in.

>>134500713
>the Soviet Union is the same as Russia

get out of the 1990's

>>134494284
Russia is a mafia state and US adversary. US and Russia have different geopolitical goals.
Trump is either an idiot or got some big cash money from the Russians to act almost entirely in their favor.

>>134501317
>t., CNN

>>134500566
>look how hard they're trolling us to prevent russia and the US from working together
Russia is doing all the heavy lifting there.

What we learned from the Senate Intelligence Hearing:
- Russia sees us as weak.

- Russia hacked thousands of U.S. officials, both Democrat and Republican.

- Russia has activated thousands of bots and paid trolls to spread fake news on social media, supported by profiteers.

- Russia has activated thousands of bots and paid trolls to spread fake support for Trump on social media, supported by profiteers

- Russia has activated thousands of bots and paid trolls to divide the Democratic caucus, supported by profiteers.

- RT and Sputnik News push state-sponsored propaganda through bots and social media to get it trending on Twitter, so it will go viral.

- Voter rolls were hacked to identify voters to target with disinformation.

- Trump was working with Russian disinformation outlets to validate news stories known to be fake.

- Russians were able to successfully flood social media and specifically target key demographics such as Christians or outspoken patriots with disinformation, then duplicate counterfeit versions of the same accounts they targeted in order to amplify the spread of disinformation. Like attracts Like.

- Russian disinformation and the Trump campaign effectively pushed the "election rigging" meme, while simultaneously engaging in the act of trying to influence the election by illegal means.

- Senator Wyden is seeking Trump's tax returns, and has the legal authority to subpoena them, if necessary.

- Russia uses business networks to influence political actors.

- Private American businesses that oppose the Russian agenda are being attacked using tactics designed to negatively impact their stock prices.

- Bots and trolls engage in "click fraud" (i.e. computer-automated visits to their own disinformation pages) to push them to page one in search engine results.

>>134499893
>>US government is morally superior government to the Russian government.

You failed to address the question of working with worse devils than Russia. Like the Saudis. Besides, question of who is morally superior is both relative and irrelevant.

>>Enormous military presence in Europe that extends US Hard power across the Atlantic. US military bases in foreign countries are not charity.

If we are allied with Russia, why do we need to extend hard power across the Atlantic. Also, the bases seem to be charity for countries that do not want to pay their fair share into NATO...

>>Political economy

Any idiot can get a degree in political science. I pretty much just showed up and wrote a few papers at the last minute and got mine. I also got a STEM degree and studied geology during that degree; there are far more resources to gain from that side of the world than Europe.

- Mainstream media sometimes unwittingly published Russian propaganda because it was "trending."

- The United States was completely caught off-guard, and had no mechanism in place to combat the Russian disinformation campaign. By the time people became aware of the campaign, it had achieved its objective.

- Russia successfully ran practice missions prior to executing the operation against the United States, in once case convincing a town that its chemical plant had been attacked by ISIS when it had not, by using text messages and social media targeted to their region and demographics.

- The GOP primaries were influenced by Russian disinformation, and Marco Rubio was specifically named as a target.

- Vladimir Putin will continue to attack the United States in this manner.

- Vladimir Putin wanted Trump to win, but if Trump lost, planned to continue to attempt to discredit Hillary Clinton.

- "Trump Honeys" (i.e., scantily-clad young women appearing outside of Trump campaign events in Trump regalia) were hired and deployed all over the country by front companies to influence Trump support using a classic "honeypot" scheme.

- Fake crimes by refugees, specifically rapes, were fabricated by Russia and spread throughout NATO countries.

- Russia is actively working to influence ALL far-Right political parties throughout NATO countries, and executing operations similar to the one in the United States to discredit political moderates throughout NATO, on an ongoing basis.

- Putin will continue unless we take positive steps to fight back.

Everyone else is reporting it too, and there's information about the Kremlin launching the same disinformation cyberattack against Ukraine, too:

http://www.ibtimes.com/russian-cyberberkut-hackers-link-isis-ukrainian-weapons-negotiations-qatar-russian-2195165

Putin is literally using his state to commit crimes against US citizens. The traitors - for which there is criminal evidence - are:
Michael Flynn
Carter Page
Jeff Sessions
Jared Kushner
Donald Trump Jr.
Rex Tillerson
Wilbur Ross
Roger Stone
J.D. Gordon
Michael Caputo
Rick Gates
Ivanka Trump
George Papadopoulos
Donald Trump
Erik Prince

Hopefully we'll get a couple impeachments and criminal indictments against the rest. Meanwhile you Kremlinbots need to stop flossing with Putin's pubic hair.

>>134501407
Cool Shareblue pasta.

>>134501382
>t. Russotrol putinsucker
Savushkina trolls, get fucked.

>>134501136
why are progressive socialist so afraid of russia?
one would assume since they both use force and coercion to get their way, they both love to silence their opponents. maybe its simply because they see themselves in the mirror.

>>134494284
If we ally with Russia yurop is no longer needed

>>134499749
I didn't say that. I said that a stable US is better for Russia, just like a stable Russia is better for the US.

The world isn't as black and white as you make it out to be retard.

>>134501510
I want Reddit to leave.

>>134494284
>Is an alliance with Russia THAT bad?
Did you even read what you posted?

>>134494284
Russian here..

we're playing your country perfectly. we've got the majority of your stupid country thinking we it's some kind of alliance when we're turning you into our puppet. soon we'll be annexing more countries and will have a great russian empire again. welcome to the new world order!

>>134499486
Why should I defend you Eurotrash, when you won't lift a finger when your women are raped.

>>134501407
you could literally replace russia with the CIA and the US with any country in the world, and it would fit just as well
what are you a cia counter intel shill?

>>134494284
DIE SLAVIC UNTERMENSCH

>>134501595
I want you to leave to Siberia, mongoloid scum.

>>134501863
Sure was hot in Siberia today, lemme tell ya.

>>134501415
>You failed to address the question of working with worse devils than Russia.
Because that's not a question. All governments do terrible things, but some governments do them for a higher purpose than to make money by selling coke to Spanish children. I'm not saying that the things that the US government does are good - I am saying that the US government is better than the Russian government.

"but how can a good government do bad things?"
Mistakes, incompetence, arrogance, and many other flaws riddle the US government - but literal crime lords selling cocaine to Spanish children do not.

Hence: 'better.'

>If we are allied with Russia, why do we need to extend hard power across the Atlantic.
Read up on the security dilemma, famalamadingdong. The international system is structurally anarchic. We are living in a war of all against all. Some of us are just too sheltered to realise it. If you aren't accruing power you are losing power.

>the bases seem to be charity for countries that do not want to pay their fair share into NATO
Then remove them, and watch US power dwindle and die within a decade.

>Any idiot can get a degree in political science.
Maybe from an American university. Not just any idiot can actually make good arguments about politics though - case in point: you.

>>134501683
Whatever you say flaggot

>>134501531
>only people i don't like use force and coercion, my "side" of politics is innocent and pure
kek

go back to bed child

>>134501998
pretending like people can't simply scroll up to see what i actually said.
fuck off shariablue your only helping our cause

>>134502144
>he's a flagposter and a shillposter
I think you do more yourself to damage your cause than anyone else.

>>134501136
>because it is an accountable, legitimate government and not literal crime lords

Who is it accountable to for the invasions in the middle east? Who is it accountable to for the violations of civil liberties at the hands of the NSA or CIA? You should also look into who is allowing all thevopium production in Afghanistan. While you're at it, look at how much Wall Street donates to political parties and how many were prosecuted for the financial meltdown. Or look at the CIA extralegal rendition programs.

>sell out every principle

We're already allies with the country that funds the vast majority of terrorist networks: Saudi Arabia. As for our "principles", see above. We have no real principles, just realpolitik moves.

>>134501415
>Also, the bases seem to be charity for countries that do not want to pay their fair share into NATO...
Putin instructed Trump to drive a wedge between the US and NATO and it seems that Trump has done an adequate job of it.

Trump should stop acting only in Russia's interests and start serving the American people again - whom he swore to protect and defend from monsters like Putin.

>>134501136
>>The US government is morally superior because it is an accountable, legitimate government

One that locks up more of its citizens than any country in the world, or even more than those pesky commies under Stalin? And it is done for profit too...

>>Its beneath me

So you don't mind working with the Saudi's who stone women to death?

>>Academic journals is not pretentious
First off, grammar...
Second, they are pretentious if they are in "Political economy."
Third, people who get political science degrees are too stupid to get a STEM degree or understand STEM journals.

>>134499486
Excellent satire but there seriously some yuros on this site who believe that.

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>>134501502
>Cool Shareblue pasta.
It's weird you can type while wolfing down Vladimir's dick. Go be a slavnigger somewhere else.

>>134502264
>Putin instructioned Trump

HAHAHAHAHA

Say what you want about Russia being a mafia state, but at least they aren't demographically replacing their own citizens with 3rd world shitskins.

>>134502259
>Who is it accountable to for the invasions in the middle east? Who is it accountable to for the violations of civil liberties at the hands of the NSA or CIA? You should also look into who is allowing all thevopium production in Afghanistan.
"Democracy doesn't work because I'm not getting the outcomes I want."
Yeah, you'd be right at home in Russia faggot.

Like it or not, US elections are not rigged and they're not for show. If you don't like those policies stop voting for people who support them and get someone else elected. In the US you actually can do that. Not in Russia.

>We're already allies with the country that funds the vast majority of terrorist networks: Saudi Arabia.
Yes, and I don't support that alliance either. I think it is also beneath the US. However, there are actual strategic reasons to have that alliance. The US has dual duties to its citizens and to the world and balancing them is not easy. Neither is served by an alliance with Russia.

>>134502274
>One that locks up more of its citizens than any country in the world, or even more than those pesky commies under Stalin? And it is done for profit too...
If it bothers your booty then stop voting for it. In the US you actually can do that, because elections actually matter.

>So you don't mind working with the Saudi's who stone women to death?
Yes, I do.

Lastly, I find it amusing that you're criticising a grammatical error that only exists because you fucked up quoting my post. It's like a microcosm of your worldview: you make mistakes and then blame other people for them, leading to an entirely false sense of superiority.

Thus I think there is no need for me to even defend the school of political economy to you.

>>134501407
>>Propaganda
>>Paid trolls

Guess the left doesn't like freedom of speech anymore. This is why the Democrats lost...they have such a low opinion of the American people that they think they were swayed in large numbers by propaganda and social media comments.

I am way more concerned about the Democrats known payments they received from, among other repressive regimes, Russia, than I am any MEETINGS Trump and his campaign may have attended.

>>134501683
Eat a dick

>>134501955
>US government is better than the Russian government
>US invades Iraq and Afghanistan killing millions
>Russia 'invades' eastern Ukraine killing a few thousand and a jumbo jet tops

>>134502876
meanwhile their citizens are living in abject poverty with outrageous rates of drug and alcohol addiction

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>>134494284
Russians are gonna be wary trading with us, they probably don't trust us at all. Most likely we'll be seeing some light trade deals and AK imports but it's not like we're gonna team up and do drills together or anything.

Still, it would be nice to hear stories like pic related.

>Joseph R. Beyrle (August 25, 1923 – December 12, 2004) is thought to be the only American soldier to have served with both the United States Army and the Soviet Army in World War II. Born in Muskegon, Michigan, Beyrle graduated from high school in 1942 with the promise of a scholarship to the University of Notre Dame, but enlisted in the army instead.

>Beyrle was taken to the Stalag III-C POW camp in Alt Drewitz, from which he escaped in early January 1945. He headed east, hoping to meet up with the Soviet army. Encountering a Soviet tank brigade in the middle of January, he raised his hands, holding a pack of Lucky Strike cigarettes, and shouted in Russian, 'Amerikansky tovarishch! ("American comrade!"). Beyrle was eventually able to persuade the battalion's commander (Aleksandra Samusenko, allegedly the only female tank officer of that rank in the war) to allow him to fight alongside the unit on its way to Berlin, thus beginning his month-long stint in a Soviet tank battalion, where his demolitions expertise was appreciated.

>>134502910
>US elections are not for show

HAHAHAHAHA

>>134501955

>>literal crime lords selling cocaine to Spanish children do not.

You mean the Russian mafia? Because the US doesn't support people who behead innocent women or other farmers growing poppies that wind up in Heroin, right?

>>Not just any idiot can actually make good arguments about politics though - case in point: you.

>>We are living in a war of all against all. Some of us are just too sheltered to realize (EDIT) it.

Again with the spelling...
It is a war of all against all, I acknowledge that. And I have served overseas with our European allies, who I can tell you if SHTF, will cut and run at the first chance. They seem to have a problem defending their own borders at the moment. Russians have a stronger military, and I would trust them more than the Eurotrash, whom are being defended by American troops, which allows them to have a higher standard of living than us on the backs of the American taxpayer (i.e more money for social benefits).

>>Then remove them, and watch US power dwindle and die within a decade.

Other countries do not have military bases all around the world, and they seem fine. Plus, we have nukes.

>>Natural Science > Political Science (Not a science BTW

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>>134502935
>they were swayed in large numbers by propaganda and social media comments.
Apparently Russia seems to think it's effective because the GRU is spending a lot of money to hammer facebook, reddit, 4chan and other boards with its non-stop firehose of lies.

>>134497180
Liberals are burning the American flag at anti-Trump rallies. That's not patriotism.

Unlike Obama's CIA and Hillary's State Dept, Putin's Russia never supported violent jihadis. Putin' Russia never functioned as al-Qaida's Air Force.

Trump is putting an end to Obama's CIA support of jihadist fucks in Syria.

Deal with it, you unAmerican Leftist shitbag.

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>>134494284
That pic, OP

What Putin bots? What Russian bots?

All the spam I've seen is pro-Hillary Shareblue brigading.

Cite one alleged example of Russian-spread "fake news." Give us a sample.

>>134504244
You're fake news.
The only troll armies I've seen are you Shareblue fucks.

>>134503322
What about the heroin epidemic in America? That was a big issue during the campaign.

>>134501407
Please explain what "disinformation" the Russians were apparently spreading. Because the only disinformation I saw as an "outspoken patriot" was the bullshit on CNN et. al.
Also, you have no sources for any of this.
Typical liberal fantasy island. You need to change your flag next time you post, faggot, because you don't deserve to use it.

>>134504164
>Because the US doesn't support people who behead innocent women or other farmers growing poppies that wind up in Heroin, right?
Wrong. The US does support those people.

However, the US government is not made up of those people like the Russian government is.

Which is the point.

>Again with the spelling...
British English spelling is not incorrect.

>And I have served overseas with our European allies
Ah, excellent. I have been arguing with a jarhead. That explains a lot. Let me tell you something, friend: getting sand on your boots in some bumfuck shithole does not give you special insight into global problems. Unless you served as a Brigadier or higher your service experience is utterly irrelevant.

>Other countries do not have military bases all around the world, and they seem fine
This is an utterly fucking retarded statement and you should kill yourself immediately. No other country has the same force projection as the US.

>we have nukes
Yes, and as soon as you withdraw from foreign countries so will everyone else. If US troops leave Japan on Tuesday Japan will have nukes on Friday. Same for South Korea. Same for Germany.

Now please explain how nuclear proliferation serves US interests - or, alternatively, how you plan to prevent it without providing a defence guarantee which, you guessed it, necessitates US troops on foreign soil.

Thus we see how I am agonisingly leading you inch by painful inch to the obvious fucking conclusion that US presence on foreign soil is not fucking charity.

P.S. lol at the >muh STEM insult at the end. I'm a diplomat at DFAT and I guarantee my salary package is a lot more than yours.

>>134502910

My bad about the grammar thing, I looked back at it and admit my mistake...not sure you could call that a microcosm of my worldview, not sure I've said anything completely unreasonable.

>>Thus I think there is no need for me to even defend the school of political economy to you

No, there is no need to explain your "political economy," AKA warmongering to me. If you want a war with Russia so bad, pick up a rifle and lead the way.

>>Booty...WTF?

Very academic of you BTW

>>134504922
>My bad about the grammar thing, I looked back at it and admit my mistake
No problem. I admit that I get overly hostile, and I should really be apologising to you. It comes from spending far too long on 4chan. Everything pisses me off nowadays, and a lot of it really shouldn't. I'll try and be more polite.

>not sure I've said anything completely unreasonable.
Well, you haven't really. Like I said, there are circumstances where an alliance with Russia makes sense - an anti-China pact, for example. But the US has to actually get something out of it for it to be an alliance and not just surrender. A US backdown right now, with no demands on Russia, does not serve US interests and most importantly doesn't even secure an alliance. So the US gives Russia Ukraine and Syria - what does Russia give the US? The only thing the US could need off Russia is pressure on China, and that's going to cost far more than just a chunk of Ukraine and some Middle-Eastern shithole that won't be functional again for another twenty years.

The only thing stopping the US and Russia from having a friendly relationship tomorrow is Russian ambition and Russian criminality.

>If you want a war with Russia so bad, pick up a rifle and lead the way.
If you want peace there's only one sure way you can have it - surrender.

>>134504887
>the US supports these people, but the US government is not made up those of people

wut?

shocked at all the leftest, marxist former lurkers going Rocky 4. isnt it about acceptance? dont they love socialism? what am i missing??? i'm not saying they fudged the election, but if they did to evoke cooperation between our two great nations, isnt it great??

Still waiting for an example of "fake news" allegedly spread by "a Russian troll army."

Still fucking waiting.....

>>134505493
>there's nothing that could be beneficial to the world if both nuclear Goliaths weren't antagonistic towards each other

Heap all your "duties to global society" bullshit all you want, but we all know you don't really give a shit about peace.

>>134504887
>>However, the US government is not made up of those people like the Russian government is.

You'd probably be surprised; just follow the money of political donations.

>>British English spelling is not incorrect....posts with American Flag

>>Utterly irrelevant
Wants to formulate military strategy; no clue how to disassemble a M-16 or M-4....

>>No other country has the same force projection as the US.
Why do we need to be in constant war again?

>>Preventing nuclear proliferation
Because you guys are doing a bangup job of that so far...

>>I'm a diplomat at DFAT
I doubt that...if you are you are probably pretty low on the totem pole.

>>I guarantee my salary package is a lot more than yours.

I guarantee my dick is a lot larger than yours.

>>134505661
>we should never stand up for anything because it might require sacrifice
kek, move to Britain you fucking failure.

>>134505801
What are we standing up for? If you want to stand up to tyrants, we should start in our own satellites. It's ridiculous to suddenly believe the US foreign policy actually has any underlying motives other than enforcing Israeli and Saudi interests.

>>134505781
u mad bro?

>>134505781
>You'd probably be surprised; just follow the money of political donations.
Vague and unsupported nonspecific allegations are not equivalent to the literal mountains of evidence that Putin personally orders people killed or tortured for dissenting and to protect his criminal empire.

>Wants to formulate military strategy; no clue how to disassemble a M-16 or M-4....
But this is grand strategy, not military strategy.

>Why do we need to be in constant war again?
Security dilemma. War of all against all. You are either accruing power of losing power. Sound familiar? We've already discussed this.

>Because you guys are doing a bangup job of that so far...
Are you implying that we aren't?

>I doubt that
Okay.

>>134506011
>What are we standing up for?
American strategic interests, in your case.

>>134506011
u mad 2?

>>134506100
It's not in our strategic interests to have good relations with the only other country that can destroy the world with its nukes?

>>134497404
>The liberals are the fruits of the USSR's subversion, you imbecile!
So true!

>>134506353
It is not in your strategic interest to secure those good relations with a policy of appeasement.

>>134506353
Yes it is. you dont want to be on the other end of those nukes.

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>>134497603

>better then black cocksucking faggot

sick and tired of muh diversity crap

lib city are dependent on white dollars to keep their schem afloat

black cocksucking faggot only think about increase gov benefit with white tax dollars

good news is that there is not enough white people sustain this bullshit


eventually You will learn non-white people are suck

even japs and gooks failing now

>>134506471
>appeasement

Do you really view Russia as the aggressor in this scenario?

>>134506645
Yes.

>>134501683
i believe you.

american here

you can have the entirely of the middle east. help us invade canada.

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>>134506539
>better then black cocksucking faggot
How would you know unless you've done it before?
>I've sucked a lot of black cock
Well, then you're the expert. If you say sucking Putin's cock is better than sucking black cock, then I trust you know what you're talking about.

>>134506694
How?

Still waiting for an example of "fake news" allegedly spread by "a Russian troll army."

Still fucking waiting.....

>>134506055
>>Vague and unsupported nonspecific allegations
You mean like Putin "hacked" or "influenced" the election by trolling social media? Again, not saying he is the good guy, but neither are plenty of our other allies. Morality is irrelevant in geopolitics...I would think a diplomat would know that.

OK here's one example of my claims: HSBC. It is just one of many of the US banks that donate to US politicians, which have shady dealings. Mysteriously enough, politicians vote for legislation which supports these shady agendas. Just look at Clinton's connections.

>>Grand strategy, not military strategy
One and the same...you can't just go to the top of the pyramid and expect to be able to effectively lead those at the bottom.

>>Security dilemma. War of all against all.
Pick up a rifle and lead the way professor!!

>>Are you implying that we aren't?
Iran, North Korea, and still waiting on those WMD's in Iraq. Regional powers in that area have a greater stake in those matters and would be better left to striking their own balance of power.

Besides, aren't Russia and Syria also fighting ISIS? Trying to fight all sides of a civil war doesn't seem too strategic....

>>134506968
>leftists are so desperate they've turned to homophobia for jokes

What Putin bots? What Russian bots?

All the spam I've seen is pro-Hillary Shareblue brigading.

Cite one alleged example of Russian-spread "fake news." Give us a sample.

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>>134506539
>lib city are dependent on white dollars
You don't have a clue what you're talking about.

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>>134506539
Noice

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>>134507116
WEW

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>>134507104
>All the spam I've seen is pro-Hillary Shareblue
That's because you are the Putinbots. Or you're a conservative candy-striping for the Russians which is a little worse.

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>>134507317
>he thinks we get paid

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wonders if anti russian/us alliance posters are scared chinese shills.

russia + us = <3

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>>134507116

Would Mr. Nedham be responsible that, if all were to be decided by a vote of the majority,
the eight or nine millions who have no property, would not think of usurping over the rights of
the one or two millions who have?

John Adams, Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States

>>134507116
Because industry in the 2,600 counties has been suppressed by financial industries in some of those counties...Tell me what food, natural gas, or products are produced in LA, NYC, Chicago, or Orange County?

>>134507225
>WEW
It's a shame you're not bright enough to be embarrassed by your poor math skills. The difference between Trump and Clinton in the higher brackets is only 1-2%

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>>134507581
And the only income brackets Hillary won are those making less than $50k. Stay mad poor niggers.

>>134507532
shh korea. the big nations are talking. dont you have some phones to be selling to repay us for the anti missle defense system?

>>134507317
None of the above....
You anti-Russian's are shills for the Democrats and Arms manufacturers.

I recognize the Cold War is over, and I recognize there is more to gain from working with Russia, than the EU.

>>134506971
Because Russia has assassinated people on foreign soil, has invaded Ukraine, annexed Crimea, and is meddling in Syria.

"but the US is doing things like that too"
Yes, and the US is also an aggressor. For the third time: you are either accruing power or losing power.

>>134507010
>You mean like Putin "hacked" or "influenced" the election by trolling social media?
No, I mean like how Putin ordered Alexander Litvinenko murdered with polonium in London to prevent him assisting Spanish police investigating Russian drug activity in Spain and to stop him further criticising Russia.

>OK here's one example of my claims
And it is, again, vague and unspecific. My claim is backed up by an inquiry with literally thousands of pages of investigation showing a conclusive and inarguable link laid out by expert testimony. Your allegation hinges on mystery.

Not to mention that if you disagree with that you can just stop voting for it. No such luck in Russia.

Trying to argue the US is as corrupt as Russia is dumb. Russia isn't called a mafia state for no reason. It is, above all other comparable states, especially corrupt. This is the expert consensus of people who work in foreign affairs and Russians themselves.

>you can't just go to the top of the pyramid and expect to be able to effectively lead those at the bottom.
>Pick up a rifle and lead the way professor!!
PLatitudes spoken by jarheads who want to feel like their four years hauling kit and getting their knees blown out actually contributed to their personal development. You can only see as far as the range of your longest weapon and are the LAST person who should have input in strategy, military or otherwise.

I'll say it again: getting sand on your boots from walking around in a shithole is not a substitute for an academic education.

>Iran, North Korea
Two nations, only one of which actually has nuclear weapons.

kek.

You're talking about something you know nothing about and it shows painfully.

>>134494284
Why does it have to be an extreme? Can we just be neutral and deal with them fairly?

>>134508306
Then how could a friendly relationship with them be called appeasement?

>mettled in Syria

Jesus, I nearly spit out my milk. How could supporting the legitimate government be called mettling? The US armed Salafists to try and overthrow a legitimate government, yet Russia is mettling for helping to prevent the US from destabilizing yet another Middle Eastern country?

>>134508672
>Then how could a friendly relationship with them be called appeasement?
Because it can only be secured by appeasement in the current climate.

>How could supporting the legitimate government be called mettling?
Because we have interests in Syria that they are interfering with.

>>134508810
>can only be secured by appeasement

The same could be true on the Russian side. If both sides agree to set aside their aggression, I see no problem with that.

>we have interests in Syria that they are interfering with

If we're the ones funding terrorists to overthrow a stable government, aren't we the ones mettling?

>>134509117
>The same could be true on the Russian side
I agree, if the Russians see territory that doesn't belong to them, the right to assassinate whoever they want wherever they want, and the right to operate their criminal enterprises with impunity, as core strategic Russian interests.

And they do. Because they are criminals.

Which is why I call it a mafia state, and why I say that the biggest obstacle to an alliance with Russia is Russian ambition and Russian criminality.

US interests are legitimate security interests expounded by a democratically elected government. Russian interests are those of a small clique of oligarchs trying to organise the world into the most profitable arrangement for them personally. That's the difference between the US and Russia.

>If we're the ones funding terrorists to overthrow a stable government, aren't we the ones mettling?
Both are meddling. Russia and the US have conflicting interests in Syria and so come into conflict. Your solution to this is abandoning US interests in Syria - appeasement.

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>>134508306
Like something bad.

>>134508306
SO?!!?!??! do you whine like this in your personal life? emo bitch detected.

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>>134509480
REEEEEEEEEEE

>>134509748
Excuse me, I'm paid to whine like this and I have it down to a fine art.

>>134508810
Kill yourself kike

>>134509480
i'm in love but you forgot the middle east AND africa. no, we SPLIT africa. again.

>>134508306
>>I mean like how Putin ordered Alexander Litvinenko murdered with polonium

Nice try trying to change the subject. Again, none of the actors in the international arena we deal with don't have a little blood on their hands. I would rather we deal with Russia vs. Saudi Arabia, for example.

>>And it is, again, vague and unspecific.

Not as vague and specific that Putin used Facebook and fake news to convince millions of voters to not vote for an unpopular candidate.

Here, I help this helps with the vagueness, I'll give more if you can link to some of those reports.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2012/dec/11/hsbc-fine-prosecution-money-laundering

>>walking around in a shithole is not a substitute for an academic education.

I got a top quality academic education after my service, thanks; I believe that one is an excellent foundation for the other. Not a Jarhead BTW; I consider that an insult cumwad, and I stand by my claim that armchair generals like you are the problem. Also, lack of respect for those at the bottom is an indicator of poor leadership.

>>You're talking about something you know nothing about and it shows painfully.

Still waiting for those WMD's in Iraq BTW; or did we just flush a few billion dollars and thousands of American lives down the drain?

>>134509937
Archive please
https://archive.is/G0jWt

>>134509411
>US interests are legitimate security interests expounded by a democratically elected government

What "legitimate" security interest was there in destabilizing Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lybia, Panama, Brazil, Laos, Vietnam, Somalia, Afghanistan, etc? These invasions served no purpose for the average American. They were hoisted upon the American people by the political and military elite of the country, no different from the way its done in Russia. There's a reason the US is perceived in nearly every country as the largest impediment to world peace.

>both are meddling

Russia is defending its long-time ally from a foreign invasion of jihadis funded by Israel, Saudi Arabia, the US, and the Gulf States. Equivicating is laughable in such a scenario.

>>134509787
Open mouth insert dick....

>>134509787
How much? I could argue for the other side if the price was right...you obviously suck at your job.

>>134509968
Thank you

>>134509411
What 'interests' does the US have in Syria? Do these supposed interests justify the billions in funding we've given to the 'moderate' rebels AND the European refugee crisis?

I'm trying quite hard to look at US mid-east policy as anything other than "whatever Israel tells us to do" but it is difficult.

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>>134509916
>you forgot the middle east AND africa
Doesn't matter. Water stress incoming in 2025, sun will burn them. Just need to safe jews, our first priority is to create new Khazaria.

>>134510236
>welfare whore claims to be a cuck
>welfare whore gets paid to fuck
>johns a cuck
>passes buck

>>134509937
>Nice try trying to change the subject.
Pathetic. You asked what differentiates Russia from the US and I made the point that the Russian president conclusively orders people murdered to cover up his criminal activity in horrible ways and you said "irrelevant!"
It's not irrelevant, it's the crux of this issue: the US is a better government than the Russian government because it is not run by murderous criminals to enrich a clique of oligarchs. Or, if it is, it is at least such a government only because the electorate accepts it as such - the US having functional elections whereas Russia does not.

>Not as vague and specific that Putin used Facebook and fake news to convince millions of voters to not vote for an unpopular candidate.
But that's not the allegation I leveled, but nice try trying to change the subject.

>I stand by my claim that armchair generals like you are the problem. Also, lack of respect for those at the bottom is an indicator of poor leadership.
Armchair general is the wrong word because none of what we are discussing is in the remit of a general. None of this is military strategy. You need to believe that this is military strategy because if so it gives your service some relevance, which is why you continue to persist with this lie that foreign policy is DOD business and not DFAT business. It's transparent and a little bit sad.

Respect is earned. You are not entitled to a free blowjob because you kicked dirt somewhere.

>Still waiting for those WMD's in Iraq BTW
"Iraq DOESN'T have WMDs and this proves the nuclear non-proliferation treaty has failed."
Are you retarded?

>>134510365
eat the jews.

>>134510020
>What "legitimate" security interest was there in destabilizing Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lybia, Panama, Brazil, Laos, Vietnam, Somalia, Afghanistan, etc?
Forward defence, building global military presence, maintaining military proficiency, and (ideally) building democratic communities on which to found a Kantian peace.

>Russia is defending its long-time ally from a foreign invasion of jihadis funded by Israel, Saudi Arabia, the US, and the Gulf States.
So?

>>134510311
>What 'interests' does the US have in Syria?
Enforcing international norms and building democracy in the Middle East.

Not to mention that the US wasn't really doing much in Syria until Russia got involved. The US had to step up its commitment in response.

>I'm trying quite hard to look at US mid-east policy as anything other than "whatever Israel tells us to do" but it is difficult.
If you look for enemies, you will always manage to find them.

>>134494284
It's just that would you trust Russia? No. So why try to cozy up to them? What do you gain? The US is a superpower. Why do they need more alliances with a bunch of backstabbing assholes

>>134499883
>very real threat of Chinese domination

pls. they barely have public sanitation and their military's shit

>>134511006
I love how you shift from realpolitik arguments a la the whole "accruing power" shit but turn and mention the feel-good talking point of "democracy in the middle east" I'd expect from a soccer mom. Are you Chinese by any chance?

>>134511006
>the US wasn't doing much in Syria until Russia got involved

I guess funding and training terrorists, errr um "rebels", with the intent of overthrowing Assad isn't "much"?

>we're in Syria to build a democratic community

When has this ever worked in the middle east? At least be honest and say we just want to get rid if Shia and sectarian governments in the region as a favor to the Saudi-Israeli alliance.

>>134511555
It seems like every burger have a green ID?

>>134511638
Not supposed to be a question. Fugg :DDD

>>134511249
Don't let the starving ww2 masses fool you. Russia is still very much a super power. Reasons why we should? 1. land mass 2. 2 heads are better than one 3. dem white womenz

>>134511638
That obviously wasn't supposed to be a question. Fugg :DDD

>>134511555
>democratic peace theory
>"feel-good talking point"
Try again.

It's clearly not a feel-good talking point considering it has resulted in nothing but death and collapse. Building democracy IS realpolitik. It requires illegal invasions of sovereign countries, millions of deaths, and decades of instability and trillions of dollars - and it isn't even working.

>>134511612
>I guess funding and training terrorists, errr um "rebels", with the intent of overthrowing Assad isn't "much"?
But the US wasn't doing much of that because Assad was losing anyway and the US didn't want to repeat Iraq and Libya. The funding has picked up now because of Russia.

>When has this ever worked in the middle east?
Rome wasn't built in a day.

The goal is building democracy. Turning the whole region into a blasted crater that won't be functional for another fifty years is just the insurance policy in case it doesn't work.

>>134511718
>>134511788
Alright, I'm a fucking mess. Clearly time for bed

>>134501683
we should team up on china

>>134511812
Yeah, but you seemed to have used it as an argument for middle eastern interventions. Seeing as you said "ideally" and posted this, I guess it was just the wording because that was my point; it's not a virtuous process at all.

>>134511812
>the US wasn't doing much of that because Assad was losing anyway

Russia didn't step in until 2015. The US and its proxies had been arming "moderate rebels" since 2011. Why are you arguing about a topic that you don't even know the basic facts of?

>>134494284
Russia is like, what, 7% of the size of the US economy? Gimme a break. There's no alliance to be had here. But we're happy to have them be our client cuck state if they're into that.

>>134510699
>>Russian president conclusively orders people murdered to cover up his criminal activity

So did Hillary; there is about as much proof of her killing people as there is Putin ordering the Litvinenko murder. Both are highly speculative. According to a released Congressional report, US guards shoved hummus up detainees ass at GITMO....so as much as I love my country, we do not have clean hands.

>>None of this is military strategy.

Warfare is an extension of diplomacy, and when goods can't cross borders troops will...so military strategy is very connected to this, and (real) diplomats are in consultation with military leadership. I rely more on my academic training when discussing politics, but acknowledge the relevance of my military training.

>>"Iraq DOESN'T have WMDs and this proves the nuclear non-proliferation treaty has failed."

You want to justify non-proliferation to go to war with other countries, but ignore the evidence beforehand that they were complying with their obligation to disarm? This blunder led to the squandering of thousands of US troops and you want the American people to trust you eggheads not to repeat this blunder?

>>Respect is earned. You are not entitled to a free blowjob because you kicked dirt somewhere.

Didn't you try to convince me how important you were based off your salary earlier?

Am I hurting your feelings BTW? Was it the joke about you having a small dick?

>>134512186
dont matted now. trumps pulling us out. more time to enjoy the beautiful countryside with our commrades.

>>134512198
They have a large amount of natural gas and a few other resources; plus they don't need to rely on someone to defend them like the EU does with the US. What does the EU have that is worth defending them?

>>134512198
doesnt russia own some big pipeline through europe? hmmmm wonder if that might be useful in the future.

>>134512286
We shouldn't have been there anyway. We have no business destabilizing yet another Middle Eastern country.

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>>134506539
Move here and help us out, bro. We could use more rooftop heroes.

>>134512007
Fair enough. I meant ideally in the sense that it would be nice if it happened but I don't expect it to.

The US cannot be secure in an insecure world, so building stable democracies that are values-aligned with the US isn't just charity. Guns can keep you safe so long as you can afford them but a community of nations that work together is a much better insurance for the long term.

>>134512186
The US has been ramping up arms shipments since Russia stepped in and been arming groups far more indiscriminately. I never said that the US wasn't arming anyone until the Russians turned up - I said that the Russians were the catalyst for the mass arming that we see now, which we didn't see pre-2015. Not to mention US air support, which was a direct response to Russia.

Why are you posting if you can't even read?

>>134512442
whats this obsession with the past? you must believe in a future for all mankind. *white

>>134512486
I guess that's an argument for democracies, but it's my opinion and yours (as stated) that attempting to install democracies in the middle east leads to further destabilization and thus more problems for the US later on. It's just odd you say democracies are good for allies and aren't solely for charity but in the post prior you talk about how the process of "democratizing" middle eastern nations is expensive in a literal and figurative sense for the US. Optimistically, yes, it is good for the US because we could theoretically have allies, but if it's in the sphere of the middle east, that is nigh impossible. I wouldn't argue that destabilization is insurance.

>>134512938
the middle east has been in war, forever. since the beginning of recorded history, war. maybe its time we cut our loses and jointly level that desert and start fresh.

>>134494284
Excellent post comrade! 50 kopeks have been deposited in your account.

>>134513108
I'd have one hell of a hard on if I saw TU-95's and B-52's over Mecca.

>>134513108
#FRESHSTART

>>134512486
US support for moderate rebels has been waning since 2015. The consensus is that Trump's full withdrawal is a natural progression of downsizing over the last two years.

You really are an ignorant little shit.

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/07/trump-syria-assad-rebels-putin-cia/534540/

>>134512221
>there is about as much proof of her killing people as there is Putin ordering the Litvinenko murder.
No there absolutely fucking is not and it is a bald-faced and malicious lie to say that, so I will be charitable and assume you are just ignorant. The only reason Putin is not in jail for murder right now is that he is the President of Russia. That's it. Litvinenko was murdered on Putin's orders and there are over a thousand pages of evidence from the inquiry that proves it.

>we do not have clean hands
I agree, but the US government is still better than the Russian government. I don't know how many times I have to say this for you to stop saying "but the US did *thing* so we're just as bad!" The Russian government is murdering and torturing people right now not for being terrorists but for the crime of dissenting and speaking out against the criminal gang that owns the country, and all of this is being done with no accountability and no transparency.

GITMO is not as bad as that.

>(real) diplomats are in consultation with military leadership
I'm going to advise you to shut the fuck up, jarhead. Consider the following: why would diplomats exist if diplomacy is just an extension of military strategy? DFAT and the DOD have different jobs. A diplomatic decision that "we should invade Russia" is not a good diplomatic decision if we can't invade Russia, and this is why DFAT consults with the DOD, but DFAT considers far more than just whether or not we can. The DOD does not. The DOD's job is not to decide when to start wars, or why - it's job is to fight them. Military strategy is concerned with fighting wars. Grand strategy is concerned with starting them. They are different things. Connected, but different.

Hence different departments and different officers.

Now don't try and tell me how to do my job again, and I won't try to tell you how to take apart your gun.

>the Iraq war means the NPT failed
Now this is just dumb.

>>134513135
can we share some of that tastey vodka instead? *PROST*

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>>134513135
Lets nakaateem!

>>134513653
OMFG LOVE IT!!! STEALING IT!!!

>>134512401
>What does the EU have that is worth defending them?
Expendable income.

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>>134513520
>bald faced and malicious lie
Huh, guess it's clear where your alliances lie. Try not to fuck over too many of us little guys with your "grand strategy" there.

>>134512938
>It's just odd you say democracies are good for allies and aren't solely for charity but in the post prior you talk about how the process of "democratizing" middle eastern nations is expensive in a literal and figurative sense for the US. Optimistically, yes, it is good for the US because we could theoretically have allies, but if it's in the sphere of the middle east, that is nigh impossible.
I agree with all of this, and if I were in charge of US foreign policy the US would behave differently in the Middle East.

>I wouldn't argue that destabilization is insurance.
In a grim sense it is. It leads to terrorism, but terrorism isn't much of a threat to US power really. A united Middle East comprised of stable but hostile states could be a much bigger problem. A smoking crater doesn't benefit the US much but it does at least struggle to put up much of a fight.

>>134513393
>US support for moderate rebels has been waning since 2015
US airstrikes began in 2014 and have been either steady or ramping up, not to mention the cruise missiles. Your article portrays a US in retreat but that's far from the case.

>>134513977
>facts hurt my feelings
I know. /srg/ is not equivalent to a British inquiry. Sorry senpai.

>>134514114
It's been a steady US retreat since 2015. We never consistently conducted airstrikes in Syria, our main concern was always arming and training Salafist terrorists.

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>>134514114
I think conventional warfare against shithole Arab states would be pretty neat as opposed to dropping a demographic bomb on our European "allies." Conventional warfare would be good for all the "pros" of US interventions you listed above; military proficiency, patriotism and what not. I mean, fuck, if Israel can knock out a nearly allied middle east, we wouldn't have too much of a problem. Unless nukes. Insurgencies and terrorism will always be harder to fight than conventional warfare, as that is the singular point for their use. But it really boils down to whether you would rather destroy a nation in the open or do it with your hands tied behind your back trying to set up a "democracy," or in your preference/view, rough up some nations in the process. Basically open vs covert, although I guess "Democracy®" provides an easier to swallow reason for I retention as opposed to "fucking get em boys," but then again, I'd imagine a united Arab world would give us plenty of "reasons" to give them the ol one two. Fuck, I'm starting to sound like Kissinger.

>>134514741
I retention = intervention. Phonefag, guilty as charged.

>>134513520

>>there are over a thousand pages of evidence from the inquiry that proves it.

Link? Again, not doubting it; but the information in the public is about the same level of evidence as Hillary's body count. Serious question, what evidence is there that the order for his assassination came from the top level? And why are you shedding tears over a former FSB officer; I am more concerned about women being stoned to death by allies like Saudi Arabia; also in territories held by ISIS (which Assad and Russia are fighting, but we have a strategy of trying to one up them?).

>>GITMO is not as bad as that.

Its in the Congressional report. It also mentions a stress position meant to dislocate the shoulder...have you ever had your shoulder dislocated? Personally I can say it is one of the most painful things I have experienced in my life.

>>'m going to advise you to shut the fuck up, jarhead.

Are you trying to threaten me cumstain? Again, not a jarhead.

>the Iraq war means the NPT failed

Not what I said exactly but its getting late and I don't really give a shit about explaining it to you.

>> Military strategy is concerned with fighting wars. Grand strategy is concerned with starting them

I may just be a lay person....but that sounds like the same thing to me.

>> I won't try to tell you how to take apart your gun.

Could you?

I would guess a fool with a small dick, like you, could not handle a weapon. I could probably do your job though.

>>134513907
Money is just paper at the end of the day. What physical goods or energy can they produce?

>>134514883
Holy shit this is just embarrassing just stop

>>134514741
I mean, look at the difference in casualties between the Gulf War and the 2003 Invasion of Iraq. Iraq's military prior to the gulf war was one of the largest in the world at the time, maybe fourth.

>>134504256
>Burning a shitty fucking cloth
>Actually supporting an orange nigger who wants to turn America into a puppet state.

Really made me think.

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>>134494284
Fuck off cunts, there was a real chance in 90's but we both fucked it up so fuck you. I really hope all that KGB hacking/puppet/subversion and other bullshit is true because I'm bitter as fuck and only wish you worst. It's obvious that your ruling elite wishes nothing but worst to us, and so are ours. I'd rather stick with my country than try to pal with a guy who thinks that you are subhuman.

>>134515058
Yeah, /k/ hasn't failed me.
>The Iran–Iraq War ended in 1988 with Iraq fielding the world's fourth largest military, with 49 army divisions, 6 Republican Guard divisions, over 900 combat aircraft in the Iraqi Air Force, and a small navy.[16]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_Armed_Forces

>>134514411
Hahahaha love it!
Stealing

>>134515103
>turn America into a puppet state
>turn

The Saudis and Israelis would like a word with you.

>>134515211
Yeah, but I guess this shitshow here is more about potential benefits vs drawbacks. You shouldn't feel despondent, I sure hope we can get along and help one another out. And I hope this is the genesis of that, although that is woefully optimistic. I also don't think that anyone short of larpers think you guys are subhumans. A lot of people here have "muh heritage" in Russia.

>>134514266
Fair enough.

>>134514741
The problem with that course of action is it undermines the community of allies it's already built. US soft power is based on trust that the US is sincere in its attempts to help others and bound by international law. If the US doesn't appear to be that, then the US will lose its best long-term security guarantee - the goodwill of other nations.

>>134514883
>Link?
Here's the report. The rest of the evidence that this report is based on is available on line if you really want to read it.
http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20160613090753/https://www.litvinenkoinquiry.org/files/Litvinenko-Inquiry-Report-web-version.pdf
>what evidence is there that the order for his assassination came from the top level
Page 241 to 244.

>I am more concerned about women being stoned to death by allies like Saudi Arabia
But that alliance at least serves an actual purpose, instead of just being appeasement for the sake of it. It's not right, but it is defensible in terms of US strategic interests. And, again, the US government is democratically accountable for it. Unlike Russia.

>Its in the Congressional report.
Yes, I'm aware. In Russia there is no such thing as that, which is itself a reason why Russia is a worse government.

>I may just be a lay person....but that sounds like the same thing to me.
Yes, and that's why you shouldn't post about it.

>Not what I said exactly
You said the US invaded Iraq to prevent them from getting WMDs using the NPT as a justification. This is wrong - the NPT does not provide such enforcement powers, and this justification was a lie to cover the real reason to get around the lack of UNSC approval.

>Could you?
Yes.
http://www.hardscrabblefarm.com/images/vietnam/paperwork/M16a1-cleaning.pdf

>"PFFT WRONG GUN THAT'S VIETNAM WAR ERA"
Then tell me the specific model of your weapon and I'll go and Google up some instructions. It's not hard. Jarheads manage to do it.

>>134515211
Not all Americans think the Cold War is still happening, or think Russia is the evil empire movies make it out to be. Stay positive comrade.

>>134498459
>This is why the Democrats lost. They think people are stupid enough to fall for "disinformation" and negative comments on social media.

People still think Obama is a Muslim Kenyan.

People still believe the moon landing was a hoax

For fucks sake, 7% of Americans think chocolate milk comes from brown cows.

Americans are absolutely the bottom of the barrel in terms of logic and critical thinking. What's harder to believe isn't that Russia orchestrated a massive disinfo campaign to sway American voters; What's hard to believe is that they didn't do it sooner.

>>134515211
how about we settle it in the octagon rusky? loser deals with the blacks left after we drop bombs

>>134515783
I wouldn't imagine the US is seen as altruistic by many nations in the world. Given genuine causus belli for a conventional war, the ruckus raised would be far less than our contemporary sandbox expeditions. Our alliances do not depend on an altruistic appearances, they are based on the US's power. I mean, yeah, if we fucking nuked Mecca that might turn some of our allies away, but the gulf war was fought over oil. It'll always be easy to paint middle eastern governments in a bad light, as they often serve as the "cork in the bottle," violently subjugating factions in their nations and using force to keep things in line. See: Assad, Gaddafi, Saddam.

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>>134516212
And I'm not one of the queers who says "our wars are over oil," that one actually was. The invasion of Kuwait just provided a neat feel-good aspect for the war.

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>>134515938
>7 percent of American believe chocolate milk comes from brown cows

>>134494284
No problem

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>>134501407
>>134501438

You can see this on Instagram.

I get this kind of shit in my news feeds. They all tend to follow each other, and take the same images from each other. All anti-liberal, anti-Hillary, pro-Trump and pro-Russia. Full of propaganda, with statistics either mis-represented or flat-out wrong.

>>134497180
>guaranteed replies
>reddit spelling

Jewed me good 7/10 still try again

>>134515783
>>Page 241 to 244
Thanks for the link, the Litvinenko Murder is something I have previously researched. I admit that Putin probably did order the hit, but the part you hi-light isn't conclusive evidence that the order came from the top. The poison in question, polonium-210 only needs 1 microgram to kill somebody; an amount that could easily be transferred off the books.

>>Appeasement
Hardly; however a good deal must be made. For starters, such an alliance could help curb extremism in the middle east. Syria is the mess it is in part because of the Russia/Iran and US conflict. Also, Russia has natural resources, and would be a valuable trading partner. Russia is corrupt, more so than the US; but we must acknowledge the Cold War is over and there are bigger problems in the world.

>>NPT

Probably some truth to both our arguments

>>>"PFFT WRONG GUN THAT'S VIETNAM WAR ERA"

Hasn't changed much and it isn't too hard, you could probably manage.

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>>134494284
I have nothing about american comrades, they literally the same as we are, but this scenario is only possible in case of Alien invasion

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>>134515663
All this Russia-US friendship business smells bad, and if it does, it's must be a bullshit. I see nothing but drawbacks for the US and loss of influence over the key regions like Europe and Middle-east. You are currently the solitary top 1 power and nobody comes close to you. And then you suddenly want to give away your slice of pie? There is no charity and friendships in geopolitics, it's obviously you trying to gain something at expense of others and we will never get a fair shake in the game where you write the rules.

Fuck, even your people immediately hopped on the anti-Russia bandwagon, because at this point it must be in your blood, cause I see nothing but same old memes being rehashed 24/7.

>>134515864
If they do exist, they look awfully outnumbered and don't have any power presence in the government

>>134515938
Not saying everyone is a genius...but they are not the morons they are made out to be. Besides, look at the president you leafs ended up with.

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>>134516958
I'm doubtful these pages are run by legitimate people. They're sharing multiple propaganda posts daily, I don't think anyone would have the time or energy to put into this as a hobby. Again, all very specific; anti-democrats, pro Trump and Putin. Peddling bullshit statistics and conspiracy theories.

I wish Instagram had a way to track down who made accounts. Would bet money this is some Russian's full-time job.

>>134517364
>"they are not the morons they are made out to be"
>thinks we have a President in Canada

Thanks for proving my point.

>>134517252
well take it!!! but i think i should tell you whats in the "no fly zones" have you seen independance day?

>>134517190
>hi-light isn't conclusive evidence that the order came from the top. The poison in question, polonium-210 only needs 1 microgram to kill somebody; an amount that could easily be transferred off the books.

That's ridiculous, if someone wanted Litivenko dead he would be shot or dead by explosives. Polonium was used as a warning to other potential defectors. No matter where you are, they will get you, Polonium was chosen as the poison because it takes a good amount of time to kill, and during that time the suffering is intense, dying from polonium poisoning is terrifying. Litivenko swore an oath to Russia and the FSB, and he broke that oath and was sent a message

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>>134517257
Public opinion could be easily changed. Losing influence over Europe is not a major issue compared to the benefits; the US and Russia are in a strong position to exert an energy monopoly over the globe.

>>134517257
come on comrade. we both win. the white world wins.

>>134517364
Not gonna lie, I'd trade up for their PM in a heartbeat given the opportunity.

>>134517441
or yours.

>>134517652
It was chosen because it is hard to detect. Whoever killed him did not want to leave a message.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/06/polonium-210-poison-alexander-litvinenko

>>134511369
Rome thought the same thing about the shitskins located in their southern most empire

>>134517928

It is not extremely hard to detect in the sense the article is saying. It is hard to detect because usually, the symptoms are just basic poisoning symptoms which I believe are similar to Thallium.

Who ever killed him wanted to send a message.

The person displayed a huge number of extreme symptoms, and only then, does the scan for polonium make sense

>>134517928

" Once ingested, it is hard to detect, because all the radiation remains in the body. "

The poisoning symptoms are too great for this to be a "covert" hit, acute death from polonium is rare, it was chosen for the prolonged death. Only after the patient manifests the symptoms over a few days does it make sense to scan the victim for polonium traces

>>134517910
I wish I got paid to shitpost.

Regardless, there is a huge difference between the operations of these accounts vs. Lefties. You could argue that CNN and other mainstream media outlets are all propaganda machines, but they have real, identifiable people behind them. If they fuck up, people are fired. Stories are retracted if info is found to be wrong. Even Fox News and Breitbart have some accountability behind them.

But then you have these people, posters on 4chan, Facebook, Instagram, social media in general. The information is blatantly false (McCain didn't meet with ISIS that's retarded), false information is not retracted; if anything, it is pushed harder, as a lot of these pages share their content. Whereas at least Fox News and CNN will try to present themselves as impartial, these propaganda accounts are right upfront with their intentions; Putin and Trump are good, anyone who disagrees is an Islamist traitor. These accounts have no accountability; they are all anonymous. And the amount and effort that is put into these accounts is suspicious, way more than a civilian would have time to do.

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>>134518085
>>134518225
Pic Related

>>134517190
That's fair enough.

As far as Russia goes, you're on the right track. I guess to distil my point down it's that any deal with Russia has to be far more wide-ranging than just US backdown in Ukraine and Syria. Russia needs to offer the US foreign affairs support against US enemies (China), and for Russia to be willing to do this it needs to get more in return than just the US acceding to ownership of territories it already controls. Such a deal will never happen, and without such a deal the US isn't going to have good relations with Russia.

I'm going to head to bed now, but thanks for your participation, it was an enjoyable and energetic discussion.

>>134501496
you are actually stupid

>>134518403
its your own damn fault for sitting on jewbook and instakike. i tried to read your entire reply but the reeeee gave me a headache.

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Uhh we already control the world and don't need to share it with jeaolous russian kikes

>>134518435
naw, china will be up for grabs. we can assure russia gets it.

>>134518685
Russia collapses in 2 years, as well as china, not as soon but soon non the less

>>134518685
if they can promise we get ((((debt forgiveness)))) from china and taiwan

*hong kong. fuck a duck it's late.

>>134501407
>- Russia has activated thousands of bots and paid trolls to spread fake news on social media, supported by profiteers.
>- Russia has activated thousands of bots and paid trolls to spread fake support for Trump on social media, supported by profiteers
>- Russia has activated thousands of bots and paid trolls to divide the Democratic caucus, supported by profiteers.


Can someone teach me how to do this?

>>134498688
the whole gop is ran by criminals

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>>134519075
>>134519246
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>>134497180
>The liberals are the only patriots left in America now.
kys

>>134494284
love it how libs will use homophobic memes when it's someone they don't like. they truly have no actual beliefs or convictions.

>>134519075
>tfw burgers can't do the same and just develop simple convolutional neural network to shitpost in internets

Why burgers suck so hard at IT and math? They're the worst in literally every international competition. Their best result in programming and hacking was 20th place with their Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

putin create mythical world, where most russian people think what erop and usa is enemy number 1. Everyday i see that shit on my TV. exist more vidios where russian politics wanna explode all big counties. on last week russian goverment start to block youtube channals with oppisitional politic thinks. HELP US!!1!!

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>>134498688
>stopped killing people and invading sovereign nations.
Isnt that what america's been doing since 1945

>>134498688
>where we agree to let Russia have basically free reign in Eastern Europe (minus Poland)
Which is never going to happen, keep your putinphilo wet dreams at night, slavshit proxy.

>>134497180
>Reddit spacing
Opinion discarded.

>>134507116
GDP isn't the whole picture on economic health
Shocking idea I know

1: Urbanization. Jobs and industries have fled from the country to cities. This is also a reason why gentrification is happening.

2. Cities don't produce food, natural resources.
Cities are full of consumers. The money generated within is from administative/service jobs, tech, and transportation. Without food and natural resources......