Gene Doping

>>134492003
follistatin mice are fucking
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>>134492003

>super mice

The buff mice won't be as fast, nimble or lightfooted. Trunks, Vegeta and Goku tried this during the Cell games and got smashed. Won't work out too well in the end. Good idea for larger meat yields though.

>>134492003

>if you could take the weakest, dumbest, and ugliest among the white race and make them into gods, would you?

No.

>>134492003
is this achievable natty?

>>134492003

How do I become as massive as possible? Like, how to become a wall of meat?

>>134492290
That was back when dbz tried to make sense of how these people are so stupidly powerful. Now goku and vegeta can punch eachother hard enough to destroy the universe despite looking like they did when they fought freeza

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thats how you get khan

Those mutations are extremely disadvantageous. There's a reason they are extremely rare in nature.

gene editing is not a practical way to improve humans
sperm, however, is. sperm can improve human genes very quickly.

Talk about a moral conundrum. Once we can do that, where does it end?

You need variety. You need garbage collectors and weak people to give the strong value. Nature is at it is for a reason. You're unleashing the dragon here!

heard CRISPR is too error prone and sloppy so probably won't work

>>134492569
Tendies and fries my nigga

>>134492583

>Not understanding god energy

>>134492716

>being buff
>turning it on and off at your desire with crispr
>disadvantageous

fuck off hungry skeleton

>>134492003
I'm just waiting for someone to figure out how to use crispr to stop all of my hair from falling out

>>134492003
>/fit/

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>>134492003
>would you?

>>134492822
>Not understanding a bullshit contrivance
You got me m8, how will I ever recover

>>134492744
>You need garbage collectors and weak people
>not creating the perfect garbage collector that can lift discarded couches with one hand, has skin thick enough to withstand any broken shard of glass or empty heroin needle, is immune to disease, releases a chemical from their skin that kills bedbugs on contact, and always smells like a bouquet of their favorite flower regardless of how much shit they're covered in
You're not gonna make it.

>>134492290
god bless you anon here is your (you)

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>>134492744
>not knowing this has happened before long long ago.
The snake medical symbol, and transgenderism is not by accident.

Well.the thing is we are doping people.Problem is,that it isnt public.If it is,its in china.And the still have little dongs.Cant erase that!

Tho,for Real.If we could experiment on humans,or generalny would be encouraged to scientifically advanced,we would be getting blonde blue eyed wide jawed aryans every single baby Born.

>>134492003
yes, of course

Most of /pol/ are transhumanists and eugenicists. If you don't know this then gb2 plebbit.

>>134492716
Having both human MSTN genes activated results in an approximate doubling of strength with only 50% more muscle mass.

There are no known negative effects. However I will say there is a certain lack of knowledge on long term effects. For example; doping of increased red blood cells adds endurance and stamina, but has an increased risk of blood clots and stroke.

As crazy as it sounds, legalizing gene doping would allow these underground clinics to publish years of data for researches to use.

>>134492744
everyone must choose a single superpower for balance

>>134493758
>he fell for the china meme
Good gwaylo

>>134492003
Does this shit actually give the mouse more contractile force?

>>134494172
Or is this another case of
>growth hormones

>>134492003

fuckin mirin

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>>134492179

>>134494022
You probably end up doubling your calorie intake

e.g. It's a beneficial gene if there's a lot of food, but we haven't always had that through human history, so these kinds of people tend to starve to death.

>>134493252

>Ackchually, this chinese cartoon about aliens fighting increasingly more powerful aliens and robots should be realistic. If they're going to use magic powers to fight they should make it logical.

>>134494337
True. There was another muscle genetic disorder that had the same effects, but burned so many calories and prioritized muscle tissue over nervous system tissue.

Meaning of they didn't constantly eat, they would start burning calories via destruction of the nervous system instead of fat deposits or muscle tissue.

It's a bad time.

We need to fund this shit and see if we can make genetic IQ boosts mandatory for niggers; maybe then they'd learn some responsibility.

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>>134492003
China already did it with dogs.
Pic related.

>>134493177
It's been my dream since childhood. I just want a qt3.14 catgrill waiting to greet me at the door when I get home from work

>>134494516
>hulk forgets to eat
>becomes too stupid to eat
>just dies swole with no brain

>>134492601

BROTHERRRRRRRR

>>134494794
there's a videogame for that

>>134492003
what's our opinion? what the fuck does it matter. asia is going to use it and make super humans. meanwhile the west is actually regressing in iq because it's being filled with 60 iq subhumans from south america, africa, and the middle east.

the future is gene edited super humans sterilizing and wiping out the inferior trash. you want to make 100 iq babies? enjoy knowing that in the future they will be sterilized and become slaves of 200 iq gene edited babies.

>>134492003
I'm pretty certain the genes need to be altered when it's like a single cell, like when it's still an egg and a sperm. I'm pretty sure you can't alter your genes much past that point.

>>134492966
>be huge
>wear out your heart twice as fast
>die when you are 40

Gene editing doesn't make our tissue and DNA any more resilient. It still wears down, it still needs to repair itself, shortening telomeres each time.

Until you find a way to lengthen telomeres these kinds of changes only harm us.

And when you find a way to lengthen telomeres, grats, you have found a way to make humans immortal because that is the only thing keeping us from repairing ourselves forever.

>>134492003
Its an obvious conclusion that genetic engineering is the future, as soon as places like China start doing it the west will be forced to get past our ethical dilemma or start a war before a breed of ubermensch makes us all obsolete.

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>>134492744
>You need weak people to give the strong value

Silence heretic! The more Spess Muhreens the better! Genetically engineer the human race til they are perfect!

>>134492003
Unlike animals, most of human potential is only limited by environment and instruction, not genes

>>134494878
Vidya is merely a stopgap solution

>>134494670
doggo battle mounts when?

>>134492003
If one could produce mutations that confer maximum advantage with minimum disadvantage. Having massive muscles wastes energy and puts strain on your skeletal. It gives you more strength but you burn fuel at a much higher rate like a muscle car. We could probably do a lot of minmaxing though, improving the efficiency of various systems like oxygen uptake, telomere regeneration, retention of information. Nature after all is not a perfectionist, you just evolve with the bare minimum traits necessary to retain a stable gene pool and nothing more. I absolutely would, and if genetic modification is available by the time I'm ready to settle down and start a family I definitely will save up to have as many negative traits as possible expunged from my lineage.

>>134492003
yes, we should also eliminate gender/sex; once we can create perfect genderless babies we can achieve perfect hivemind. Once we're all equal, we can work towards perfecting our planet, reaching the stars, creating a Dyson sphere all to attain our ultimate goal:
Uploading our consciousness to the internet and be one with our 3D wifus, forever.

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>tfw this is what we do to chickens to eat them
>tfw when you realize you are being prepped

>>134495076
You can with retroviral therapy, you replace the genetic codes of a Virus with the desired change, make sure the virus is of a species which infects the organ or system you want to alter, and release the virus into the specimen. Once inside, the virus does what they always do, penetrate host cells and overwrite a portion of their DNA, except instead of re-tooling the cell to just create more viruses, a genetic modification would simply clip on a new segment which codes for the desired genetic alteration.

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>>134495516
My body is ready

>>134492003
YOU MUST EAT BIG TO GET/STAY BIG

>2050: what's left of humanity floats around with hover-harnesses (jacked quads and hams prevent normal walking) while wearing beer hats full of state-standardized fat/protein drank made from the failed "please kill me" fetuses of society

The crystal ball is becoming cloudy--showing me nothing more

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>>134495177
>Genetically engineer the human race til they are perfect!
There is no such thing.
Pic related.

>>134495339
Mounts? Probably not anytime soon; we'd still need to increase their size, something which comes with it's own set of complications.
Doggos for military use on the other hand will be possible soon enough.

Sorry guy's, just like before and a time, Nature will not allow this to happen enmass. This has happened before. You can't remember it happening, But it has happened. Humans are older than you think. Anyway, Long story short, Nature won't allow it and you will find out how soon enough, just as it was, and always will have been. Nature also isn't the only thing that you have to worry about.

>>134492003
Honestly I'd only consider it if it meant I'd age extremely slow and live for at least another 1000 years.

Otherwise i cannot effectively imagine the bosses vision.

>>134495826
Perfection is the ultimate goal, can and must be achieved. Only then will Humanity attain it's true calling!

Mass suicide

>>134495981
Perfection implies there is no room for improvement, of which there is always room for. Ergo, perfection doesn't exist.
However, one should always strive for perfection, for though it does not exist, it isn't a fruitless goal; there will be many improvements along the way.

>>134495609
I'm kind of tempted to drop this whole pharmacy schtick and go do research with retroviruses before they go out of style. Also using bacteriophages to substitute antibiotics.

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>>134494670
My bet is on this doggo

>>134494610
You want to give niggers higher IQs? Theyd just use their new found knowledge to arrange bigger & more complex robberies & giving theyselves migraines.

>>134495826
Military already uses doggers.
>>134496361
There was this really interesting study going on at my Uni a while back, tried to apply for a job in the project but got there a bit too late. They were using a retroviral gene therapy to see if they could artificially increase the speed of learning and retention rate in mice. Sounds like it would be really useful for humans if there were no harmful tradeoffs.

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>>134493461
>Your ubermench garbage collector capable of math, science, and art to rival every great thinker and master of antiquity doesn't want to collect garbage or marry from the designated 10/10 garbage collectette woman unit pool
>Wants to marry 11/10 woman unit from middle management bureaucrat breeding pool
>battle of the gods.jpg

Without full automation such a society would never function

Without space access such society where everyone is 6'7" Aryan Supermen and everything is automated and every woman could Gene therapy themselves into hyper intelligent super models would decend into such levels of hedonistic nhilism that it would make the fall of Rome, today, or the dark eldar look tame.

The future is to definitely genetically engineer or cyborg ourselves to perfection, but to do the same to everyone would leave 9/10ths of the population both goalless and purposeless unless it puts us into such an age of advancement that our whole perfect society would be working towards ftl transport and timetravel and similar ways to minmax the universe like we had our genome.

Why can't people use steroids again?

>>134495843
A fucking leaf

>>134492716
they require more calories, which humans have no problem with now with modern farming techniques.

>>134496713
>6'7"
>Not 7'
Godlets, when will you learn?

>>134496698
what if it turns you into the retard from flowers for algernon?

>>134496893
That's when we move up to chimps.

>>134492003
Crude eugenics was well-enough understood in Britain and the US in the early 1900s. Sterilize the criminals and idiots, keep out illegal migrants so that they don't undercut wages, make sure that successful families have enough time away from work to have children. You could get more advanced now with IVF, as in, pay people to be surrogate moms using genetic material from a smart, successful person.

>>134492290
(you)

>>134496857
Reliance on technology for survival is a bad bet in my opinion. Modified humans should be capable of living in as many environments with as little extra protection and as little energy consumption as possible.

>>134492290
Best kek of the week

>>134496593
Or they might just learn why it's more beneficial for them to play along with the rules and actually be a contributing member of society rather than a thieving criminal.

>>134496698
I know. I'm talking about where these doggers can be used. That was just the first example in my mind.

>>134496801
This is much healthier.

>>134496977
This is why ayys look like greys

>inserting superior genes throughout the entire public
KEKENING

>>134497025
Rehab does produce much lower recidivism than penal imprisonment, however there are some people (usually nogs, beaners, and politicians) who simply refuse to integrate. They have to get the snips or the bullet.

>>134494516
>destruction of the nervous system
Isn't that basically Alzheimer's?

>>134496833
I wish so badly i could tell you who you really are, I shouldn't even said what i did. It's against the rules... for now. Remain, skeptic, It's a good defense, But just remember if you deny everything that seems strange eventually you will accidentally gloss over the truth.

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>>134496881
>6'7" godlets want the covered 7'11 crispr
>Led by the 6"11.999" king of the godlets
>The Titan 7' overclass fights them off on a bloody godlet uprising
>Only for the 8' tall skeleton king to put them in their place

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>>134495206

>>134497409
I see. And here I was hoping for a peaceful reduction in the crime rate.
Since you seem to know quite a bit about the subject of genetic engineering, I must ask you a question. Can we possibly alter the genetic coding of individual organs to make them more accepting into host bodies, ergo reducing the organ rejection rate many times over? Or is that not possible within the near future?

>>134497025
Sure a science that has probably only been secretly applied to humans with no public research is healthier.

Why the fuck can you feminise yourself (turn your dick inside out), taking all sorts of hormones, but you can't make your muscles bigger with the aid of science?

>>134492003
which one of you guys knows how to use crispr? lets start experimenting

>>134496713
>Wants to marry 11/10 woman unit from middle management bureaucrat breeding pool
And miss out on the inner beauty only a lifetime of collecting refuse can build? Not likely.

>>134492003
>/pol/ gives the okay
>At first it's just super humans
>Later, people start making catgirls and alraune waifus
>People mix with them and the white race literally degenerates into cats and plants
Nah, this couldn't possibly go wrong.

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>>134497620
The fucking fuck is that fuck?

>>134497664
Yes. It has the capacity to be healthier. No shrunken balls at the very least.
As for your other question, it's mostly because the government thinks "steroids are bad, therefore we shouldn't sell them as a supplement" yet are all aboard the sexual mutilation metamorphosis train to suicide and misery.

>>134492758
nice try cuckface its 99.8% accurate.

>>134494022
What about increased appetites? Gotta eat more to maintain that stuff, and if they dont get their food they might just die

>>134495206
LOL

>>134497644
I'm not like a PHD or anything, just started working towards a BA in Eco/Evo this year, still essentially a layman. As to organ rejection it's possible I suppose but I think the solution that will become mainstream in the next decade is collagen scaffolding combined with organ cloning. The principle is that you take cells from the original organ and then 3D print a model of it in collagen, the tissue which forms the underlying structure of organ systems, then grow the cloned cells over the scaffold. The result is a clone organ which is made with the person's original DNA, this will avoid pretty much all cases of rejection. If the person is suffering from a genetic disease they could also presumably receive a genotherapy tailored to overwrite their naturally damaged DNA.

The organ transplanting thing I'd bet will be common in a decade or two, genotherapy really depends on whether or not other superpowers start allowing the research/use of it, if so we'll jump at it, if not I'd suspect that people will spin their wheels endlessly in moral and ethical questions for quite some time.

>>134495826
but the millitary already uses dogs for many uses.
what's the fucking point if humanity can't trade in pathetic vegan horses for a quality animal like the noble canine?

>>134494670
this is fake

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1877876/

NOT CHINA
Drudge was claiming it was china the other day and i find it disturbing that there are articles claiming China did this shit. it been around for a decade. not one ching chong was part of the team that discovered it

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>>134492290
HhHHAh AHAH

>>134492003
>serious question, what are your opinions on gene editing? if you could take the weakest, dumbest, and ugliest among the white race and make them into gods, would you

It will never work out like that, in practice.

The weakest, dumbest and ugliest are going to be made moreso. Except with less testosterone and adrenaline.

>>134498201
>Eating more to maintain the mass.
>More meat is somehow a bad thing.
Sure if you were in the wild it would be, but in that case just grapple incoming predators; their meat, while stringy, should suffice.

>>134497620
dumb frog breeder

>>134495516
I'll finally be inside a woman's mouth.

>>134495084
>he fell for the telomere meme
lol what an idiot.

>>134497819
>Implying you couldn't make every catgirl gene recessive then bleach the child with crispr to purge the nonhuman characteristics so children of catgirls wouldn't accidentally creat 3rd generation catgirls.
Or
>Making your subhuman toys fertile
>Just have your waifu carry your clone space marine child

>>134492290
>star wars and harry potter

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It's coming. We must take notice and adapt, or it will default to being used against us in ways we can't even imagine. Lefties need quit being (useful bluepilled pawns, and Righties need to quit ignoring it completely. Both are flaws explained away by personality traits, and are easily exploitable by ((them)).

https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/127786374/

> too much order or too much chaos are both equally destructive. Lefties want to subvert everything and so they create an overabundance of chaos which eats away at the fabric of society. Consvertism wants to cling to simple-minded boundaries and modes of the past which often have lost their relevance, and this stubbornness will choke out the dynamic growth of human society.

>>134497997
>What the fucking fuck is that fuck?
What happens when you breed with women in their 30s and 40s. Eggs have a good 20-25 year shelf life and after that they start degrading in quality. Past 30 your chances of having a potato kid skyrocket far higher than if you fucked your sister. Having babies with 30yo's is significantly more degenerate than having babies with your closely related siblings.

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>>134498557

>>134493177
Why does she need two sets of ears, shit looks stupid.

So does this mean Stalin's dream of recreating man into the new communist man is coming true?

>>134498241
Thank you for your input, good sir. If you were curious about both the process of genetic engineering and other technologies that effect organic life. The organ transplanting in particular I was interested in primarily as a method to extending human life. After all, what are we if not meat machines? And like all machines, we can be maintained and fixed; we were just so complex that for the longest time it was next to impossible outside of proper diet and exercise.
Again, thank you.

>>134498250
Alright, think of this for a moment; dogs with venom sacs, genetically modified for speed and biting strength.
Let's see the hood run from that.

>>134498278
I did not know this. Good to know.

>>134498580
Good to know?

>>134498836
One set is vestigial.

>>134498836
The tech still needs improvement.

It's gonna happen one way or another. Those who oppose it will only postpone inevitable.

>>134498023
>>134498023
number of genes to hit in the millions. oh shit 200,000 fucked genes.

>>134492003

You can't foresee what this will lead to further down the road.

>>134499041
As to extended longevity, the brain is a real pain in the ass roadblock, specifically the bundles of nerves deep in there responsible for long term memory. Unlike other nerve tissue they don't refresh or regenerate once their patterns are established (if they did you wouldn't have long term memory). The issue is that those nerves would have to be replaced eventually or you'll run out of them even if every other part of your body and the rest of your brain tissue is artificially replenished. This leads to a bit of an issue which can only be combatted in two ways to me. One is human/computer interface, you download your 100-ish years of memory onto a robust hard drive and then regenerate your long term memory nerves, retaining only the patterns which result in your personality, or you do away with the human form and move to one with much greater long term memory capacity.

>>134492290
>tfw just finished watching DBZ Kai
This anon is telling the truth.

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>>134492003
Prepare yourselves, this shit is real.

>>134492003
>if you could take the weakest, dumbest, and ugliest among the white race and make them into gods, would you?
Doesn't that completely go against the whole nazi eugenics thing?

>>134500333
With digital confirmation, fuck yes.

>>134499508
If we could transfer who we are on a hardrive. Could we possibly create human bodies built with superior neurons to the ones we have? Making the brain be able to hold 200 years of memory instead of 100. Another possiblity is perhaps incredibily small hardrive attached to the brain. That can act as a secondry hardrive to store thoughrs, and memories.

>>134500344
I thought that was literally the point of Eugenics, to eliminate undesired traits or spread desired traits. The ability to rewrite significant portions of the genome would be a dramatically faster way to achieve this.

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>>134492003

Is it bad I look at that meat and want Worcestershire sauce with salt and pepper, grill over charcoal.

Meat on a stick. Cooked the world over.

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>>134492290

:)

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>>134492003
>not understanding that CRISPR is bad for editing somatic cells.

>>134500333
>>134500397
I've read this before. From what I gathered it doesn't extend the lifespan much if at all. It just reduces and removes the aesthetic effects of ageing.
Still great technology, though.

>>134500445
No idea about synthetic neurons or optimized neurons, but I do think that human/computer integration is an inevitability. We already do it right now, sure the computer isn't connected to our bodies but it does act as an extension of our memory and learning aid. Hard drives would have to get spectacularly large (capacity wise) and less power hungry before you could actually put one inside of a person. I'm thinking more like a portable drive that could plug into an implant which is linked to your nervous system. If you could build a computer completely integrated with the brain then I'd wager you could also just build a replacement brain.

>>134492290

Vegeta never tried it because he already knew the outcome. Trunks was the only one who pumped his ki up and got stronger than Cell but was drastically slower so he got pummeled.

>>134500864
Sounds like a step in the right direction, besides who wouldn't want to die A E S T H E T I C?

>>134492003
>if you could take the weakest, dumbest, and ugliest among the white race and make them into gods, would you?
Yes. Anyone who opposes this is an idiot.

Of course it should be 100% voluntary, you shouldn't force people to improve their genetic code just like you shouldn't force people to abort fetuses with downs or give their children vaccines.

>>134492601
BURIED ALIVE... buried alive

>>134492290
Hahahah

I'm a graduate student studying genetics and my research is in CRISPR-Cas9. So, yes, super hard. Ask me if you've got questions on the science.

>>134493758
100 % fact just look at all the basketball teams around world china has the most 7 footers

the next step to human evolution, gene modifying. prepare your anuses

>>134501536
Can you give us a speedy gestalt on the steps of the process, is it theoretically applicable to humans or does more work need to be done, if so what's missing?

>>134492179
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>>134494794
You fucking faggots are really gonna get loli cat sexbots when they show up. And you're gonna act like it's not pedo. Fuck you.

I'm just gonna have a Scarjobot for buttsecks. You people are fucking disgusting and degenerate.

>>134501757
another researchfag here
there are a lot of limitations to crispr at this time. Right now, crispr is only useful for adults with diseases associated with certain immune disorders that can be cured with allogenic bone marrow transplants. For example you edit BM stem cells ex-vivo and you ablate the patient's marrow and transplant the edited cells.
Targeting other stem cells are much harder. All you can do is inject your vehicle to the site and hope for the best. Very unreliable and I don't see much future in it right now. China, however, could genetically engineer super humans by editing babies.

>>134502888
>editing zygote
not babies

>>134492003
Only if we can also create a race of bloodthirsty mutants that live solely on the flesh of niggers.

>>134501757
Sure.

The gist of CRISPR-Cas9 is that you hijack a bacterial protein, and use it to insert a genetic sequence into a human.

Not only is it theoretically capable of use on humans, but chinese scientists have already done so: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2123973-first-results-of-crispr-gene-editing-of-normal-embryos-released/

There are two major limitations. One is insert length- 2,000 base pairs is about as long a sequence as you can reliably insert into a genome using CRISPR-Cas9. The average human gene is 56,000 base pairs long, so that obviously puts some limits on things.

Second is genome mapping- although we've identified simple genetic triggers for some traits like muscle mass and cancer risk, certain pleiotropic (affected by multiple genes) traits such as most valuable cognitive traits haven't been effectively mapped to genetics (and likely have heavy environmental influences, as environments affect gene expression.) CRISPR also doesn't modify epigenetic expression, which is it's own can of worms.

>>134501536
Will the catgirls have more humanlike or more catlike buttholes?

Asking for a friend.

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The Chinese are already using Myostatin inhibitors on their Olympic lifters.

Pic related, low myostatin doge.

>>134492744
>we need humans for menial tasks when we have this level of technology

i know servorobotics and machine learning is a bit behind genetic engineering for creating useful a servant chassis at the moment but come on

>>134503533
Is someone cloning Filipinos?

>>134503149
Cats and humans already have extremely similar buttholes from a genetic perspective. That said, it would be much easier (though still very difficult) to produce cat ear and tail development in humans than to modify cats to have human bone and facial structure.

So the catgirls will most likely have a more humanlike butthole.

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>>134492290

>>134503664
That's terrible news. Thank you for giving it to me straight, anon.

>>134501342
SPOCK!

I know for sure that the mice posted are from a non crispr study. It's from a myostatin study.

>>134492716
>Those mutations are extremely disadvantageous. There's a reason they are extremely rare in nature.

They aren't as maneuverable and there faster metabolism and need for mire calories is detrimental.
This is pure vanity on men's part who would want that and pure lust on women's part.

>>134495843
whats the other thing we have to worry about?

>>134492290
Love every laugh

>>134497424
Kinda sorta. Alzheimer's destroys the myelin sheath that facilitates the transfer of signals between neurons. This results in a slow degradation of the nervous system.

People with that special muscle disorder would crash really fast, more akin to a diabetic with low blood sugar, except the results would be permanent. It would eat at the nervous system randomly, so results would be varied.

>>134498201
Yes, it's a huge problem for certain hypertrophic diseases. Not getting enough calories, and not having any fat reserves would deteriorate the nervous system akin to a diabetic crashing.

MSTN genes, however, don't have the same drawback. Check it out.

>>134492003
fuck, Yes can I get this shit for me or will it give me super cancer?

>>134505388
It's probably prohibitively expensive, however, take out a loan, head down to bioviva, and get a nice injection of immortality.

Live forever=pay infinite bills=bull market

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevensalzberg/2016/08/01/did-a-biotech-ceo-reverse-her-own-aging-process-maybe/#4d8c0cef6c04

Also, summoning archive nord.

>>134506864
Always archive https://archive.is/QZ4Jh

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>>134506901
Doing God's work.

>>134493467
kekkle

>>134494516
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/MedicineCuttingEdge/story?id=7231487&page=1

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>>134506864
>>134506901
>24 seconds

If you're a bot, I swear I'm going to upload your code to a sex robot and make sweet love to you while you whisper, "why don't we archive this?"

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OP here,

it seems that many of you have differing opinions, but to the haters out in this fine thread i dont see why you all have such problems with it.

also, why don't you sympathize with the fact that I want to be pure in not just mind and spirit but also body?

>>134492003
Follistatin changes causes weak joints and tendons. Really bad for soft tissue. Yeah you'll get more muscle but then you'll have major issues carrying it.

>>134492758
It is prone to significant off target stuff. It was a recent finding from a Chinese group I believe. I'd link but the text is behind paywalls so not many could read anyways.

>>134495843
>nature won't allow it
Why?
>it happened before
When?
>you can't remember it
Why not?
>long story short nature will not allow it
Why?
>nature also isn't the only thing you have to worry about
What?

Fucking leafposters.

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>>134492290
Cell was soo fucking spoopy

>>134507551
watta sexy gunt

>>134506864
>https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevensalzberg/2016/08/01/did-a-biotech-ceo-reverse-her-own-aging-process-maybe/#4d8c0cef6c04
>>134506901

Alex Jones sells the same shit for far cheaper.

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>>134507765
150$
http://www.infowarsshop.com/DNA-Force_p_1368.html

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>>134507538
3 AM

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It is not a secret.

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>>134507932
Not degenerate because I'd marry it first. Wouldn't even need a photographer at the wedding. It would already be archived.

>>134498481
>I'll finally be inside a fat landwhale's mouth in the global Jewish fempire.

fix'd for the most likely outcome

>>134492290
>cell games
And that was the peak for the entire franchise. Man, it could have been good. Fucking jews ruining everything.

>>134500864
>women can artificially extend their smv and continue to act like entitled bitches well into their 50s

sounds like a double-edged sword, honestly

All this shit will lead to is furries turning to dog and cat people and people shedding anthrax from their skin.

On the plus side, I could turn into an Eagle man, fly around, and bite terrorists with my beak of justice.

>>134495084
>t. Dr. Group

>>134509734
As much as this makes me sound like a furry, having a tail would be pretty cool. Gives one more thing to be able to read people and would be really good for flirting/discerning interest of another person.

>>134492179
Aesthetic as fauurk!! We are all gunna make it for zyzz brah

>>134510267
Yeah, wouldn't it be the tightest shit to just flap your arms and lift off the ground? You might need to turn your bones hollow to be light enough, but you might even get that bird internal compass.

>>134510267
Nah, that's gay, you sound like a fag, and your idea is retarded.

Having a gross, flesh colored tail won't make you more attractive, and it's not even that useful. Just be less of a faggot when you talk instead of growing a fucking tail.

If you want animal parts, grab some mantis and pistol shrimp parts. You can see almost the entirety of the light spectrum, as well as having a fist that can punch so fast, you create plasma.

If you let pussy rule your life you'll waste your super genes on something gay, like a tail to, "make flirting easier."

Fucking homo.

>>134512762
The pistol shrimp only creates plasma when it strikes when it's underwater.

>>134513664
Come to the ocean and say that to my face, science bitch.

>>134513741
>Come to the ocean and say that to my face

Whale confirmed. Don't you need to meet up with your pod, fatass?

>>134513970
At least whales can hold their breath for an hour and fight giant fucking squid.

Enjoy your faggot puppy tail you big bitch.

The human body has vast amounts of proteins that limit the production of things we consider beneficial. NOGO and LINGO-1 limit axonal regeneration and remyelination in the CNS. Myostatin inhibits muscle growth.

Probably because the human body priorities maximal efficiency. It's not actually built for maximal regeneration or performance, just the best you can eak out efficiently.

I work in a genetics/virology laboratory in NY. AMA

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>>134492003
I would love to watch my Based Maicon brawl this abomination on the right. would be intresting fight

>>134492003
If you can pay to have god genes then only the rich are gonna get women. But then again. What else is new.

>>134514240
Is there any current treatment that would raise the IQ of posters like >>134514111? I ask as there's currently no known cure for faggotry, but I'm hoping there's something for stupidity.

>>134514428
You want everyone to wag tails to make you feel less autistic around women.

Just because you sniff your dogs ass all the time doesn't mean that anyone else would let you, no matter how many tails you have.

You are a failure, and your parents hate you.

>>134514240
Explain telomere meme pls

>>134515099
>telomere
no meme friendo

>>134514917
You seem upset. I'm sorry that your parents never loved you and that you ended up an edge lord faggot that your parents hoped you'd never become. I'd suggest going to get some professional help for your napoleon complex there, skippy.

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>>134492290

>>134493461
So, Brave New World?

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>>134492003
This stuff will shrink your balls. Don't fuck with it.

>>134500864
>>134501113
boring, the 70 year old looking guy who was actually 1500 years old trope was cool.

>>134497513
Underrated kek

>>134515212
Of course I'm upset. Your idea is for retards.

There is nothing edgelord about not wanting everyone to be a bijon frise because you can't talk to a girl without making her feel uncomfortable.

All your parents wanted was some grandkids. They gave up on getting a nice nursing home. They gave up on thinking you'd move out. They settled for you awkwardly bumblefucking your way to fatherhood. But no, they got an autist with a dog costume, and a lot of explaining to do at the local animal shelter.

Eat shit.

>>134516210
Look Mac, level with me here. Are you angry because you're deficient somewhere? Too self-conscious that you're 1/2 the weight of a Smart Car? That you're a manlet that will never get above 5'6"? Honestly, I'd tell you to relax and calm down but it's way too fun to see you rage.

Given how you've responded to my posts, I'm guessing you see yourself as some sort of paragon of a /pol/lack who would lead the charge in the event of a happening, but let's be real here. You rate too highly on the Dunning-Kreuger scale and lack the physical prowess to lift anything heavier than a beer or move a distance further than your fork-lift of a car to the front doors of a McDonalds.

Seek help.

>>134516911
All of my insults have been legitimate criticisms of your horrible idea.

Your responses do nothing to defend your ideas, and contain an awful lot of projection.

We can call each other faggot all day, but in the end, your idea is still shit and mine is better.

>>134496591
That's a fucking cat, you idiot.

>>134518276
Keep on acting as if you have to get top marks here, no one's going to give you a gold star unless you're a jew. I question your intelligence as you're raging over a small thought of something being entertaining. Obviously there'd be more functional stuff to genetically modify, like having sub-dermal chitin that's strong enough to stop rifle rounds; but again, you're just sperging out and showing everyone how autistic you really are.

>>134515099
Telomeres are what causes aging. Your genetic code ends in telomeres, and everytime you reproduce it, a segment breaks off. Too many times, and you have no genetic code viable, anymore. HeLa cells do not have this problem, hence we can grow them indefinitely in labs. They have something about them that repairs the genetic code after every split.

>>134518907
>I question your intelligence as you're raging over a small thought of something being entertaining.

You didn't want puppy tails for entertainment. You wanted them to pick up chicks. I'm trying to tell you how fucking retarded that sounds.

Sub-dermal chitin would be badass though. Add a cone snail harpoon and venom, and you'd have a walking death machine.

You're still a faggot.

>>134519128
Are telomeres the only factor in aging in non-HeLa cells? I figure there must be other factors that would cause aging and trigger autolysis.

>>134519259
>You're still a faggot.
As are you anon, was still fun shitposting with you.

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>>134492003
>not being able to alter your own DNA and strength levels through intense meditation and focus
Fucking technoplebs

>>134519316
We actually do not understand the mechanism behind the HeLa cell line being immortal. I mean, if we did, that would be the answer to aging.
>Autolysis
Cells can decide to do that for many reasons. Apoptosis is a beautiful process that we also do not fully understand. But, specifically, telemores are the reason all cells other than HeLa stop reproducing after some days

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>>134492601

>thats how you get khan

As if that's a bad thing.

>>134519316
>was still fun shitposting with you.

Don't be gay.

You're now aware that your blood type can determine the susceptibility to certain diseases, and with a little more genetic understanding, you could totally fuck all people with modified embryos by releasing a specific pathogen.

>>134519802
>they're going to modify all embryos to have the same blood type
>they are going to then release a blood type specific pathogen
Retarded

>>134519692
I guess the next question would be how close research is to repairing or replacing the telomeres in a cell. What's your best guess as to when scientists would make some sort of major breakthrough in understanding the aging mechanisms.

>>134519802
Nigga, I assume everyone to be faggots here. Don't act as if you're above it all. Hell, you were in an internet argument on what genetic modifications would be more "badass" or "functional to kill someone". If that doesn't scream autism and faggotry on both parties, I don't know what does. Keep it up and you'll cut yourself on that edge.

>>134492003
Would you rather be normal and live until 80 or live like zyzz and die in your 40s is the answer.

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DIY at home genetic engineering.

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>>134492290
fucking this
Dex >>>> Str

>>134495084
Bollocks. You can change the DNA so the telomerase (enzyme that lenghtens telomeres) gene stays on the whole time (a lot of cancers have this)... some scientists fear that this wil inevitabily cause you will have a much higher probability for cancer as the cancer does not have to have a specific mutation for lengthening telomeres - you made it easier for.. but there is shitload of studies showing that longer telomeres means less cancer
>>134519128
Telomeres are just one of the aging mechanisms (there are a lot of them). Also segments of "functional" DNA do not break off.. it's just the telomere (TTAGGG) sequences that break off... even if the cell stop reproducing it still has a lot of TTAGGG repeats - just less than it used to and that somehow changes the whole functioning of the cell (how exactly this mechanism works is a bit of an unknown)

>telomere meme
There is no telomere meme. Having telomeres at optimal lengths is a must for the body to stay at tip top levels of health - in other words in order for the body to stay young, act young and look young the telomeres need to be of appropriate lenghts. Younger people have less health problems - that's no meme.

Ah the dumb plebs on this site...

>>134492290
bugs.. lay off the carrots

>>134520209
"Don't act as if you're above it all. Hell, you were in an internet argument on what genetic modifications would be more "badass" or "functional to kill someone"

/k/ here. I see nothing wrong with that. Plasma fists, bulletproof skin, x-ray vision, and venomous harpoons are all things you can find under, "sign me the fuck up."

>>134492179
>follistatin mice
DAT THICCNESS!!!

>>134520543
You do know you need sterillity for these plates. And i assume the CRISPR kits arnt cheap. You also need sterillity for your growth medium. You need knowledge of your bacteria's genome. You need to design proper primers. You need to have selection markers etc

>>134492003
That mouse is stronger than most Antifa members.

>>134492003
>>134514423

Not only that, everyone outside the ruling class will have their genes edited to be tiny and weak to minimize their caloric needs and reduce the maintenance cost of the serfs.

>>134492736
Sure it is. We could easily and systematically edit the bad gene-carriers from existence, put the good gene-carriers on fast track through carefully engineered eugenics programs.

>>134492744
Sounds pretty fucking Jewish to me.

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>>134520945
It's $160.

>>134520209
With funding like Trump is giving, it might take longer now. 5 years and I'm sure something very major is coming out. Our laboratory is actually getting close to something pretty damn cool, but I can't say more about it.
Ps: Trump supporter since Rand gave the thumbs up

>>134522069
And it won't work. Nobody has the proper equipment at home to do this kind of shit

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>>134492290
I love everything about this post

If humans are smart enough to improve our genetics, then there is no reason not to pursue it.

We could eliminate disease and defects. Even wipe out inferior races completely. It is our destiny to become Space Marines.

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Come on boy. Say that you're proud to be a cuck.

>>134518362
I thought it was an aussie

>>134522229
Dude it's science project tier. The amazing thing about CRISPR is how fucking simple it is to manipulate genes like you've got scissors and a glue stick.
Its actually very similar to the rowhammer bitflip exploit if you're into infosec.
http://archive.is/GBfPg

>>134523148
Regarding the link: even an endgadget writer retard got it to work on his second try.

>Super-Mice.png
>before /pol/, after /pol/

>>134520543
I would be impressed if you can properly design and clone gRNAs to target the proper genes and then manage to transfect CRISPR properly with minimal off target effects. Not to mention getting the desired gene in as well.
CRISPR is just too non-specific for human use at the moment unless you're terminal with cancer and going to die anyway, even with the high-fidelity versions of CRISPR.
Dual nickase CRISPR could be a bit better, but you're still rolling the dice with something that is used with the intent to permanently alter your genome.

>>134514240
How strong are these mice?

>>134522069
Assuming you even manage to grow colonies with the kit at home you would need to have some idea of the construct you are inserting into the E. Coli so that you could do a restriction digest and then run an electrophoresis of the digested DNA to verify that the insertion was successful beyond just conveying antibiotic resistance.
Assuming you're not half assing this, you would also need to sequence the colonies that produced the correct banding patterns after restriction digest, so you would need to design and order primers so that a sequencing company can process the DNA from the colonies.
Sure, the kit costs $160 dollars, but you need a lot of other stuff to get to the point where you can safely perform DIY gene doping (even with high off-target risk in humans).

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>>134492003
It might be a little bit dangerous. Not sure if its more dangerous than existing steroids or not.

I know that on the elite, super elite and intellectual levels of steroids, of testosterone for example, one could roid out, controllably. And then after a period of time try to reverse the changes with HRT treatments to the endocrine systems or something like that. Resulting in you restoring your endocrine system to proper functioning AND also gaining better muscle mass.

There are also other substances that also have other risks, but also theoretical mitigations. And if you really want to, you could go down the nerd route and mitigate a lot of problems, though you would be in the heavy minority, as most who do roids fuck themselves up thanks to them not even doing the basic stuff in the first place, without roids, no dedication, only want to cheat, eat like shit, just fat, retarded monkeys.

>>134492003
Genetic engineering is Morrowind alchemy.

>>134523936
To which studies are you referring to when you say that that CRISPR is just too non-specific? I don't work with CRISPR but after reading tons of stuff on it and getting to know how many fail-safe mechanisms are there in that little wonder of nature I think it is pretty specific. I mean sure maybe you have a weird genome and that could result in crap results but still.. it seems really really good.

>>134524264
This is assuming you can maintain a sterile field in your home too. It's very likely you'll get contamination from cells in the environment and even possibly some intergrons who will royally fuck your shit up. Also if your in AUS OGTR will fuck your shit up if they find out what your doing.

>>134492003
>what are your opinions on gene editing?
categorical no.

natural or not at all.

>>134524687
They explain it pretty well here

>>http://www.nature.com/nmeth/journal/v14/n6/fig_tab/nmeth.4293_SF4.html?foxtrotcallback=true

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>>134492003
Do it. Set them all loose.

>>134492003
give eggs to ur baby fash before age of 2 or he's guna be a fkn charlie chaplin

>>134524687


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3875854/
also >>134524924

CRISPR is better utilised as an epigenetic modifier than as a gene editing tool, at least when used in humans.
dCas9 targets sequences like regular Cas9, but if it goes off target there is no risk of DNA damage.

CRISPR as a gene editing tool is great for researchers who just want to muck around with model organisms (E. coli, arabidopsis, zebrafish, mice, etc.), as it is cost+time effective and it doesn't matter if it goes off target as long as you get one or two successful transformations, but it's just too much of a risk to use in humans unless it's a life or death situation.

TALENs are more specific than CRISPR, so it would make more sense to use them in humans if you're worried about off target effects.
CRISPR is mostly used because it easy to design new guides for target sequences than TALENs (an hour vs several hours/days per sequence).

>>134524924
Yep, you don't need a cleanroom, but PC2 standards would help keep your samples from being fucked up.
The amount of equipment that goes along with this kind of work is expensive too. DNA extraction would be a must for quality control so you would at least need a centrifuge and several pipettes if you don't want to have shit samples.
Cloning and transformation is finicky bullshit most of the time, so any bludger who thinks he can order this kit and turn himself in Zyzz better be ready to spend thousands of dollars and hundred of hours on troubleshooting his experiment that will either do fuck all or give him cancer.

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>>134507668
Post link faggot

>>134525749
My transformation efficiencies keep me up at night

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>dyel manlet untermensch can't into antifragility and don't have the will to get built natty so they fantasize about cheating the pecking order

>>134492003
I think it will be very difficult to improve humans without there being unexpected severe side-effects.

How long before the common cold is modified to permanently alter peoples DNA?

>>134508291
I love when 4chan gets robbed. This is the best home defense headline since that weab cut off a niggers hand with his katana.

>>134523936
I love when actual intelligence engages in explanation on 4chan. Blowing out a quantum mechanics thread with shit beyond grasp or tackling genome replacement therapy.

The illusive upper IQ spectrum

>>134527410
>antifragility
You mean like Trump? He gets stronger the more you attack him.

>>134492601

Khan did nothing wrong.

>>134528188
That's a very difficult thing to do, I'd say 15-20 years before people even try starting that.

>>134498557
Where do I sign up to the illuminati's furry program?

>>134496591

Kangaroos don't even need gene editing for this shit. Reds out west are ALL like that, especially the males. They're fucking massive.

>>134492290
You know how I can tell you're black?

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New topic: What defect would you introduce/keep in your super IQ, super muscled, and super Aryan CRISPR children in order to teach them some humility and perspective?

>>134532348

Permanent erections

>>134532560
Their dick falls off from priapism-induced gangrene before they're 1 yo. Dickless superhumans running around. Their genes are never passed on. GG

>>134492601
>I shall leave you as you left me. As you left her. Marooned for all eternity in the center of a dead planet... buried alive... alive...

Loved this villain.

Does crispr mean that the old fuck bankers will live forever now?

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>>134492003
>scientists are using their time to make ripped mice

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>>134492290

>>134492003
isn't eugenics the same but more acceptable than this shit?

>>134495843
Back to /x/ you leaf

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>>134492003
Only for plant and medical engineering. To stop famine and disease, and to research new materials.

GenEngineering animals, including humans is evil and can't be allowed, since eating meat is degenerate, even more so genetically engineered meat of a live animal, but not if it is derived from plants and not from an animal (plant x animal gene crossover, where the meat can be grown from plants).
Direct Human gene engineering is disgrace to what our forefathers struggled for and if liberated and committed can and most certainly WILL go out of control by time. Then you'll knows what hell means. Imagine if in today's society everyone could engineer a living thing.

>>134519721
>genetically altered Indian superhuman
>played by white Brit
weird that

Gene splicing will destroy humanity.
You cant have perfect people.Period.

>>134492003
>if you could take the weakest, dumbest, and ugliest among the white race and make them into gods, would you?
No.

The world needs distinct classes. We always need the dregs, the trash that take on jobs like store employees and waiters. We always need people to work in sewers and collecting trash. We need these people who are incapable of getting a better job to settle for menial labor. Can you imagine how quickly cities would literally stop functioning if garbage collectors stopped working because they are suddenly able to become super athletes or rocket engineers?

If we were to ever begin gene engineering it would have to be extremely selective. Largely restricted to the upper class and soldiers.

>>134492003
I think it's great. We should start human tests ASAP

>>134492003
Kikes will oppose any eugenics and artificial evolution as hard as possible, because they want goyim to be low iq mongrels, not ubermensch. Therefore holocaust (real) absolutely necessary before attempting any of that.

>>134492601

>Tfw the peak of human genetic engineering is a white male

feels good

>>134532348
Are you serious? There should be no limits to how much improvements current short-lived dumb frail hairless ape can use, and you want to inflict defects on purpose?

>>134530737

How the fuck do they get so buff, it's not like they're hopping on their hands

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>>134541470
>Khan Noonien Singh
>White

>>134541908

the actor is a white male in both the original movie and the new one

>>134538303
Ricardo Montalban didn't look particularly Indian in Wrath of Khan either, to be fair.

>>134532348
An abnormally long and thick penis.

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>>134542066
I was more joking how they chose a white guy to represent a human at the peak of perfection, but still, Ricardo was at least brown, and that was good enough for the 60s.

>>134492003
Every scientist is extremely arrogant when it comes to his field, especially with advancing technologies. They say theres no problem, but we are FAR from being able to edit peoples genes without also killing them 1 month later from degenerative diseases, unforseen complications, and straight out cancer. Much less the long term effects of the process.

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>>134542375
He was brown when he showed up in the series, but for some reason he's really pale in the film.