What makes nazi socialism better or different than commie socialism?

>>134486431
>commie socialism

>>134486431
Ethnic homogeneity.

Yes, it's socialist, but when they tax you and take your money, it isn't going to Jamal and Pajeet. Instead it's going to strong Aryan people

>>134486431
Seeks to elevate man through a natural society
https://youtu.be/S9JVrFGz2uY

>Communism is only good when whites do it
Cucks will always be cucks regardless of their name due to their actions.

>>134486687
why would "strong aryan people" need money if they're a superior species?
lmao nazis, you are truly der untermensch.

>>134486431
Nothing

>>134486431
It's socialism for the race or ethnicity only.

>>134486431
Nothing. As it would be trading one group of people you can never accuse of being Jew shills, with another group of people you can never accuse of being Jew shills; BY LAW.
Sound kind of not safe to anyone else?
Also, the more authoritarian the state becomes, the bigger the police state, the more jeopardy your butthole is in. By ass rape I mean.
Look at prisons/gulags/Communist countries...It is just a fact. A scientific fact, as proven as gravity.
Authoritarianism=Assrape

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Black Cod!!

>>134486431
Quality over quantity.

opey is confused about the difference between global and national

>Its another "Lets all pretend like Communism and NatSoc are the same thing, and hope nobody notices OP is actually a subhuman kike shill" thread

Oh boy. These are my favorite.

>>134486431
>As always, it is all about the gibmedatz.

>>134486431
A social cohesion based on a feeling of belonging.
A huge difference.

>>134490277
Yeah, because if there is one thing the Nazis never tried to do...it was tell other nations/whites how to be...
>>134490389
Actually it is all about acting like Jews, without any Jews. This is exactly wtf it is.
"We wanna act exactly like Jews, but not with any fucking Jews."

>>134487402
That's the point they wont. In a perfect nazi world everyone has jobs and is self sufficient and the money goes to public goods

>>134490510
Hahahahahahahhahaahah

>>134490365
Ask reddit what is their opinion on collectivist ideologies for more goodness

>>134486431
Brotherhood and the creation of horizontal merged classes rather than highly separated vertical classes.
Marxist ""socialists" (Marx would be ashamed of the modern """Marxist""" movement) just deny that they want vertical and distinct classes.

>>134486687
>it's going to strong Aryan people

So what? You're taking shit from strong Aryan people to give to strong Aryan people.

My shit is still being taken, but I'm supposed to feel good since the recipients are volkisch?

>>134486431
>Strengthen your nation
>Strengthen (((them)))

>>134486431

Difference is day and night, not sure how to sum it all up?

National Socialism rejects the most destructive element of Marxist Socialism. Egalitarianism. It accepts that people will always be different, have different skills and intelligence levels and as such, doesn't attempt to enforce equality through state measures by casting down the strong to the level of the weak.

It utilizes market economics, but rejects (((capitalism))) by having the individual reconciled with the community (as opposed to Capitalism which is the individual shitting on the community for profits and Marxism which is the community enforcing egalitarianism on the individual, thus effectively destroying it).

And most importantly: it rejects the international element that destroys ethnic groups by maintaining the current genepool instead of diluting it.

Sacrifice and integrity are the cornerstones of a National Socialist society and reject the inherently selfish natures of both Capitalism and Marxism.

Like I said: day and night.

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>>134490648
And the few of them that believe in muh democratic commune don't understand politics. Wouldn't even work in a small community. Too many things to vote over, too many things that would be gridlocked.
Also there'd be a class of law enforcers and the people dealing with food and water have the highest power which would contribute to the creation or worsening of voting blocs within the demos. So yeah it's not a very long lasting system.
Best communes are classical tribes. True facts.

Realistically Germanic Socialism/National Socialism is the best because it isn't about muh money it's about the socii man it's about the socii.

>>134486431
As I recall, 'commie socialism' is actually distinct from natsoc. Most Socialism has been derived from Marxist ideas, while the soc in natsoc comes from Hitlers idea of 'social equity', which only sounds Communist.

Two distinct derivations of the word socialism, it is a fallacy to equate the two.

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>>134490365
They are the same thing. Only difference is what 'morals' you are forcing on others, and who exactly should be the recipient f the handouts.
If the Democratic party changed their platform for socialism for whites only...these dudes would literally all share the same platform.
The only difference between them, is one minor policy tweak....about race...nothing lefty about that at all right?
Democrats are literally one policy away from being Natsoc.
Just switch white privilege for Jew Privilege..and you are already there.
These people have fallen for the meme that it is the COLOR of the people demanding socialism, that defines whether it is left/right.
This is how dumb Natsocs are though...they literally see the world from the POV of the lies that Jews told them.
Fake Jewish paradigms. 99% of the time, those bitching about Jews, are the ones basing how they see the world off of what the fuck Jews say they believe. By THEIR labels...
Fascinating really

>>134486431
A mutual goal not a mutual struggle.

>>134489640
wtf i love authoritarianism now

>>134490983
Oy vey a lolbertarian siding with nahzees?
Don't you know only JIDF, 32c (underaged failures) trolls, Redditors, and /leftypol/ D&C larpers use the gadsen around these parts Ron!

>>134486687
If sweden and norway didn't allow in any shit skins and only allowed swedes/noweigens to live there, they technically would be national socialist. Sweden and Norway would be amazing places to live if there was no jewish influence or shit skins.

You can not deny that any white country is better with jewish influence and minorities living there.

>>134486776
Oh shit his channel was terminated.

>>134491389
A mutual goal for everyone who agrees with you, and other fruitcakes.
This is the Communist peace doctrine.
"There will be peace when all opposition to Socialism is eliminated."
Karl Marx.
Sure thing...no similarities at all...
>>134491478
You always did; and you know this fool!!

>>134491478
You just want to force other to accept you not washing your hands after shitting.
And the Natsocs want to kill you for not doing so.
When we could all just wash our own hands.
PS The shitty hands are a reference to you being a fag

>>134487402
What's wrong with voluntarily helping out your aryan neighbor? It's not like NatSoc society would forcefully keep a filthy jew like you against your will. Plenty of AnCap countries in the world like Africa for you to dig your dirty nails into.

>>134491308
>>134491721
>>134491956
Now this is advanced trolling
Even namefagging

>>134492163
Anon with caps is a proper noun; ergo you are the biggest namefag ever.
...And you're welcome. Stick with me. I'll teach you how to fuck this bitch.
If I tell you a duck, could pull a truck, hook that motherfucker UP!!

>>134491965
>What's wrong with voluntarily helping out your aryan neighbor?
Nothing, but taxes aren't voluntary. If your people were as generous and homogenous as you say you wouldn't need to tax them to pay gibs.

>>134486431
The socialism in national socialism wasn't what your think it was.

It was the fundamental nature of NatSoc's economy is what made it both "nationalist" and "socialist".

Modern monetary policy is debt based. Meaning that each unit of currency must be loaned into existence with an interest attached to it. Even at super low interest rates, a 1 unit of currency loaned into existence can never repay the 1.01 units of currency including interest. Thus it is naturally inflationary and vertically funneling over time.

National socialist germany devised what was called labor treasury certificates. These were interest free notes and behaved like gold in that marks could be traded for labor treasury certificates and vise versa. Labor treasury certificates were only allowed to be issued by the treasury to pay for the labor required to make public works. The autobahn was initially paid for with labor treasury certificates. In effect, the currency (the mark) was backed by and redeemable in labor, and labor only representing what was already done. The treasury could use tax money to buy back notes if the economy was warm or they could issue them to increase employment, devalue the currency a little, and heat the economy back up. They could do this relatively quickly the shepherd the economy.

That's the socialist aspect of national socialism that nobody talks about, or is aware of.

This monetary system catapulted Germany from the poorest country in Europe to the 2nd strongest economy in the world in less than a decade. International trade was handled with a bartering system and kept as much exchange hedging out as possible.

Think about it like this. Would you rather go into an interview and be judged by what you promise to do (debt backed currency), how much stuff you own (asset backed currency like gold), or how much you have done (national product backed currency).

>>134492477
They are voluntary when you can fuck off to another country you wanker

>>134492538
I would rather keep my past labor in GOLD...not state certificates...thanks.
(I almost vomited in my mouth, as I even typed the words: Government certificates)

>>134486687
>homo

>>134492854
the monetary system


your head


Your past labor could be kept in currency, LTCs, or in the wealth of your country and your personal prosperity because of it. If you wanted, you could even buy gold with your prosperity, and lock it up that way. Despite being a nominally socialist system, notions of property and enterprise were extremely capitalistic.

>>134492832
I like this leaf

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>>134486431
OH NO.

Commie Nazis.

>>134493253
We are not going to be socialist. You can not make it sound pleasant. It is not. You are not ogoing to trick me into being stupid enough to sign away my rights to own resources or start businesses when the rest of the world, including Jews, still can.
You are an idiot...and I do not think you have thought this through in the slightest.

In socialism, ALL SOCIALISM/FASCISM, you still have to trust the word of corrupt PEOPLE, about how much production/resources are available. You have no way of knowing.
At least in capitalism, you can vote with your dollars, and buy into shares of the produce/resources.
In addition, whether you pretend to place centralized control of resources, in the state (socialism), or the people (communism), the difference is sheer semantics....pretending to place control in a human construct designated the ability to actually be fair, and not corrupt.

In fact we have fascism/socialism now...that is what the bailouts were. Those are the Peoples' Banks. Obamacare is the Peoples' insurance. Why ask for something you already have?

I think most people asking for socialism or Communism have no idea, and have never really considered wtf that would look like. For more info, see: "Obama Administration"

I am willing to compromise with socialists. Let's have a mixed economy; by which I mean separate out capitalism, from all social services.
All the land the govt has, ship the unemployed people there, make them sow, and reap...build some factories.
Make them provide for themselves. This would help our economy too, because we could buy their cheap local shit.
To sum it up in a sentence, if we need to centralize ANYTHING, centralize the UNEMPLOYED?
Right? How hard is that? If they want socialism...give it to them. I wanna watch the assrape.
See I can fix EVERYTHING. Vote for me in 2020 /pol/ we will usher in the new day that is dawning.

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>>134486431
Nat Soc:
>Steal other peoples shit for a while until collapse
>Life is pretty dope until collapse
>Everyone shares in "persecution" and imprisonment/killing of undesirables

Commies:
>Steal everyone's shit
>Life sucks for many decades before collapse
>Anyone can be killed/imprisoned at random.

https://youtu.be/rnidyiFT14Y

>>134492477
then how the fuck do you maintain an army, build public property?

>>134493817
Not trying to sell you on the idea or even advocating or proposing socialism in the slightest. I think western age of enlightenment derived republics are the most ethical form of government for western peoples.

Just stating how their version of socialism worked.

Different systems work for different peoples.

Your presumptions and reaction are childish.

>>134494537
It did not work. When you steal everything from an entire country, and then subsequently ll countries near you...then you can afford to pay your bills for a few years.
If Natsoc were successful, it would exist today.
YOu are buying into a dream/
I personally believe whites under decent leadership can accomplish nearly everything, the problem with Natsoc is that it is untested. It worked for Hitler, who comes after though...where is the insurance policy that permits the people to take the givernment back, or provide for themselves should the state fail?
No, I disagree...and so will most people over 25. All socialism is gay af. Never proven to work.
Not in the slightest.
How does that saying go...I remember hearing Thomas Sowell quote it.
"If you are not socialist while young, then you are heartless, but if you are not a right-winger when older, then you are retarded."
Something like that. It's very true.

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>>134493253
>Property and enterprise were extremely capitalistic
You just got done making a solid description of their economy and ruined it by not only sucking up to a schizo namefag but claiming Germany was in any way capitalistic or non-interventionist for that matter.
There was no capitalism in the economy, though there was a market. The market was intervened upon at any time and at all times the participants were by extension working for the state.

IMO it was a solid system, and much better than free enterprise or "planned" (otherwise known as rev up those black markets) economics.

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Nazism is the scum of the Earth.
>btw pic is legendary german rac singer uwocaust aka uwe menzel

>>134494982
Every single one of your posts are pure tl;dr you schizophrenic retard. Go back to /x/.
Or Reddit.
Wherever you crawled out of.

>>134495041
description of the monetary system**

>>134486687
>strong Aryan people
>on welfare

>>134486431
the uniform

>>134495137
Newfag detected

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>>134486431
Cool uniforms

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>>134486687
>white people
>strong

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>>134495360

Shut the fuck up, Burger.

>>134495485
>alt right meme
That about confirms it. Stay for a while and find yourself on the other side of that previous insult Hans.

>>134495193
Sorry. Too short. Didn't read.

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>>134495485
post more spencer's

the inside story on you young facists is a lot of you ended up in shock humour/lonely dude forums that nazi recruiters joined its not a fucking puzzle all the history is on the sites there you crossed ur nerdy hobbies with ur nerdy resentment Bunch fucking nerds with your dipshit teenage beefs probably started with a resentment of woman who won't speak to you and now you think you have become POl radicalized So how did it happen how did you become a fucking nazi? A bunch of real nazis whisper poison in your ears while becoming your only community - your only "friends" And they used multiples levels to make irony and bigotry more acceptable by drowning it in "oh were just joking" So you combine all this w/ capitalising on isolated nerd dude resentment & even deeper isolation bam nazi you can talk to any former "chan" boy & they can tell you how it went from "shitty shock humour" to "whites supremacist recruitment" The only "lol only norms care about hurting others attitude" + the general nerdy male resentment of these communities Its prime fertile ground for actual nazis to grow. People talk about pol, but you need to see the various communities converge R9k's "why won't woman fuck me" bs "anything goes & anyone who gets mad is just a normie" vs endless outbursts of anger at everything Pol here becomes less of an isolated phenomenon and more of a natural end point for all these circles crashing into one another & pol, also being its own thing menas it it rolled back into those communities amplifying your worst aspect then roll it back into pol So essentially you have an online pressure cooker to turn you typical teenage nerdy bullshit into honest to god facism The surrounding of hateful ideas the detachment from the harm you do ? Turning them into "just jokes" becoming you only friends & that just your community you can see it in many others but again your not a fucking mystery

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>>134495485
DON'T EVER INSULT MY NATIONAL FOOD AGAIN YOU PUSSY GERMAN

>>134495769
OMG...it's Shia...

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>>134495485
If the fact some le tole from /b/ and/or call center employee has taken the time to spew this:
>>134495769
doesn't make you think this place is more than it seems you doubly need to stick around.
Between the lines, people like myself are always around dumping and debating.
It might be illegal for you to say things but your eyes can't be recorded :^)

NatSoc is Nortern European style socialism where the goal is to help people along so they can start paying taxes and contribute more than they took out. Commie socialism is never paid back, people just take and don't give anything back.

The idea is in a 100% white society if the government helps pay for students education they will get jobs and pay back that money. It wont work in a society where 14% are blacks who most of them will never work.

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>>134495769
Wait a second
Ah fuck me that is the Shia copy pasta

Nevermind then bad example.
Schizo dude trolling is though

MY GOD IT ISN'T SOCIALISM
YOU IDIOTS

>What makes nazi socialism better or different than commie socialism?

Very little desu. But the answer is nationalism (marginal improvement). Socialism is cancer in any form, but at least if it's nationalist vs globalist...there is a containment factor of sorts and perhaps a cultural preservation benefit

All told though, fuck them both

>>134495137
>if i wear a vest it hides my obesity

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>>134496249
Hi /leftypol/ crossposter
Daily reminder modern Marxism isn't socialist

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>>134496238
not the quote nigger.

Basically to define this
Marxist socialism - Everyone gets allotted property from the government with the idea of making everyone have an equal life (of course, some people always end up more equal than others)

Nationalist socialism - Like northern Europe, there are safety nets to help people get themselves in a position where they can work and then pay back the money received.

You can think of natsoc as essentially being government loans, where you are expected to pay the loan back through taxes whereas marxism is just stealing stuff from other people with no intent to repay.

>>134491965
>AnCap countries in the world like Africa
Every country in Africa is either socialist, "liberal" (high welfare) or a dictatorship. What the fuck are you talking about?

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>>134496249
I cannot believe any of them really say this shit. Scream it even.
They all do. They even talk about it the same.
Bernie Bro to another Bernie Bro, "Can you believe how many people are following our brand of socialism? That is not really Socialism at all...because it is all about the PEOPLE man....helping the PEOPLE."
Stormfag to other stomfag, "Can you believe how many people are following our brand of socialism? That is not really socialism at all Because it is all about the people man...helping the people."
Yeah...we know no socialists are actually socialists.
According to socialists, there is no such thing as socialism. Amazing really.

>>134490586
Not that I support any.
Just pointing out the difference.

The difference is NatSoc was capitalist while communism hates capitalism.

>>134486687
>strong
>needs welfare

I was about to say something really smart and funny. Then I hit my bowl...and poof. It was gone. Maybe it will return.
>>134497932
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We hath been cucked long enough, henceforth, we shall no longer abide giant stone dicks to dictate (Ha) our lives. Why they worship this giant cock in front of our very eyes.
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Perchance you have had enough too?
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>>134487402

>>134486687
>Socialism will work if the parasites are my own color
lmao

>>134499254

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>>134486431
Nazi socialism involves the privatization of lots of state-run businesses. The only thing that makes it socialist is that everyone has a union they can join, bosses, employees, whatever, in order to discuss things, make demands, et cetera.

Probably the most socialist fascism gets without moving onto Nazbol and Strasserism is National Syndicalism, which is just what you expect it to be.

Most fascism relies on the economic strategy of corporatism, which isn't too bad.

Also, stop thinking of economic positions as a two-way axis, there's many different economic models. The two-way axis is marxist in origin (reee, stinky old capitalism will give way to glorious socialism!!!). Meanwhile, we're a managerial-class run state right now, before capitalism, we were feudalist, and before that, we had a barter economy.

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Day 3:Assrape for all unemployed, illegals, etc, etc, etc.
We are bringing back good old fashioned Christian assrape...where we lock you all together, with no women...and watch the assraping commence.
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>>134486431
Philia

>>134500635

No matter how much word salad you obfuscate your god complex with, I'm never joining your god damn cult.

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>>134495485

>>134486431
It's the only ideology compatible with judaism, and jews control the world.

>>134501101
>National socialism privatized a lot of businesses
>Most fascism cannot be classified as capitalist or communist
>The only thing that made National Socialism 'socialist' was that everyone had a voice regardless of class through state-regulated unions

Easy enough?
I don't even hate ancaps lmao. Google is your friend.

>>134501393

> The only thing that made National Socialism 'socialist' was that everyone had a voice regardless of class through state-regulated unions

Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.

He intervened in every aspect of the economy, he was just another insane central planner who gets false praise for the fruits of the mere shadow of a market economy that he left alone.

https://mises.org/library/hitlers-economics

>>134502376
He practiced Keynesian economics. Stunning observation. His regime was managerialist, as described by people both left and right.

Don't worry, I bet le free market will do better than hitler ever did. Ancap society cannot and will not work because the very people that advocate for it and would live in such a state hate the concept of self-sacrifice. It's literally engrained in the philosophy. Meanwhile, fascism values self-sacrifice and national unity.

>>134501393
>literally lied about his economic policies to get support from industrialists before robbing them blind at 40% tax rates
>Hotel owner taxed on net income instead of actual profits
B-b-but he privatized stuff?

>>134503187
>robbing robbers

Fair enough. The force of all that historic kvetching might fuel those libertarian seasteads you guys have been waiting twenty years for.

>>134503187
>>134502376
http://www.ub.edu/graap/nazi.pdf

Here's some more about Nazi economics. Keynesian economics in response to a dire situation coupled with privitizing. Do you think that the public works spending would go on forever? Projects installed last some time, and X youth camp or Y motherhood initiative (I know, I know, the fertility should be influenced solely by the free market, we can never try to give people incentive for growing families xDD) aren't going to break the budget.

>>134503707
Everyone knows the only way to survive a depression is to strip government aid to a bare minimum and sit around uselessly! The populace gets to take unlimited vacations to free hoover hotels!

>>134502899

The state is a cult, it is not the ally of a nation of people, but the enemy. You're literally just white nationalist Bernie Sanders.

Don't forget everyone!!
Ass Rape Twinny-Twinny!!
Dawning of a New Day!!

>>134504879
I believe in a minimal, voluntary, state. Those that want to be there should be there and work to their fullest along with the state, and the state works with them. There will always be a state, even in ancapistan, so it must be present, with boundaries, and given reasonable limitations. Additionally, a state should be useful and be able to justify its existence.

You're acting as if everyone's going to play the nice game in ancapistan and just form knitting circles and other safe collectives when in reality there will always be a hierarchy. This hierarchy needs to be recognized and kept reasonable or else you end up with a plutocratic nightmare that makes dictatorship look preferable, as seen by the privileged few who are able to actually play the ancap game.

That's the actual funny thing. The people who are able to truly live in an 'anarcho-capitalist' society, because laws and borders mean nothing to them and they sacrifice relatively little to enjoy first-world comforts are the biggest supporters of cucked managerial states. Nothing will change in ancapistan, because the state is too convenient for these people and the ancaps would rather lick the boots of those 'captains of industry'.

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>>134505501
Look under your seats everyone!!
You're getting ass rape!!
>>134499656
He's getting ass rape!!
>>134503187
YOU'RE ALL GETTING ASS RAPE!!

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>>134491019
AYO WIR WAREN SOZIALISTEN UND SCHEISSE

>>134486431
>What makes nazi socialism better or different than commie socialism?
Same shit desu

>>134493817
you can own resources and start businesses in national socialism.

>>134491019
I am not seeing the economic distinction between Nazism and Communism at all, unless you explain more.

>>134509607
imagine if sweden had stayed like it was in the 80s and said "fuck immigrants, sweden for swedes." and then gassed all the somalis that showed up.

that's national socialism.

much different from any of the failed commie states.

Private property

national socialism is a /pol/ meme but what makes national socialism better than communism is that not everything is owned by the state and some elements of capitalism are still left over
still wouldn't have it over capitalism

>>134486431
National socialism wasn't fucking socialist, dumbshit. It was just a facade to get the leftist Strasserists on board and use them.

>>134486431
http://aryanism.net/politics/national-socialism-and-communism/

>>134504954
Matey chill down a wee bit and bite into some valium and mercury and it will all feel much better.

>>134490912
Well, if we are full Natsoc, your taxes are significantly decreased because the state relies on a number of state owned industries to fund its operations (trains, power stations, communications, mining operations, public works, concerts, museums, events, etc., and the welfare that does go out goes out in a form that benefits you, namely in the form of work that you can then take advantage of. So each "dollar" you pay into the state is used to put an unemployed person to work building and maintaining infrastructure for the state, and also providing a cheap standing labor force for industrialists to take advantage of.

>>134491282
Hitler's socialism is akin to a vision of humans as eusocial animals that form an organism larger than the individuals that constitute it. Like Ants, bees, naked mole rats, or other colony animals, the idea is to have a group so genetically related that they cooperate voluntarily, so that the prisoners dilemma nature of cooperation between individuals is overcome by the force of inclusive fitness.

Ask George Lincoln Rockwell

>>134493817
>You are not ogoing to trick me into being stupid enough to sign away my rights to own resources or start businesses
National socialist economics has nothing to do with signing away property rights or rights to the fruits of one's own labor. Doing so would be absolute suicide for a nation, and hitler said as much.

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>>134486687
That is dumb

I will take a working taxpaying nigger that keeps his lawn mown 100% of the time over some purple hair unemployed weed-smoking (((((((white))))))) cuck0ld

>>134510032
How does that avoid all the same problems of socialism? Human corruption or shit citizens are just as capable of being white.

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>>134486431
Nothing, because National Socialism is still Socialism.

>>134493844
Where was the collapse? I think you mean
>come together in an "economic miracle" thanks to replacing a retarded extractive debt based system with a sensible labor based system
>work hard but be celebrated and have your culture held up with regard
>kick everyone's ass in a fair fight until every other power on the planet has to team up to destroy you and demonize your people and ideology
France was weak and should have belonged to Germany. Poland was weak and should have belonged to Germany. Russia was weak and should have belonged to Germany. England should have been on Germany's side from the beginning (by which I mean WWI).

The only thing that stopped Germany ever was America. Russia

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>>134486431
Also op. National Socialism is even worse. It turns your race into welfare niggers.

>>134486431
Communism exists to undermine the nations culture, people and history and indeed to replace it with the culture of an ant colony.
Consumerism exists to undermine the nations culture, people and history and indeed to replace it with the culture of an ant colony.
National Socialism exists to celebrate the nations culture, people and history and indeed to have it immunised to those who would seek to replace, destroy or corrupt it.

>>134511774
These sound like cultural policies, not economic ones.

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>>134511316
Natsoc isn't the socalism your thinking of.

The workers do not control the means of production and there are rich people and poor people. The real socialists of the party (Seize the means of production tier people) got purged violently in the night of long knives

Hitler was never about destroying class distinction or class """""warfare""""" as Marxists would say. Hitler was for uniting all the German people under one banner whenever they were rich or poor

>>134512178
The distinction is cultural.

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>>134512970
Wrong it is vastly different then Marxism. Hitler even privatized many industries when they got into power.

Here's Hitlers own words on his definition of Socialism since he pretty much created his own version, which has pretty much nothing to do with marxism

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>>134513097
Because of the cultural distinction
They both hold core the tenet that the worker is to be respected, not exploited however Communism goes about this by the dilution of the nations culture so that all is brought down to the level of the worker whereas National Socialism does it by truly celebrating the worker and his contribution to the people of the nation.
Hence the distinction is at its core cultural, do you value your culture, or no?
This is the question to be asked by all would be socialists, if yes then you do all you can to defend it and thus you are a national socialist, if no then you do all you can to demolish it and thus you are a communist.

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>>134513395
That's a pretty big economic difference. Not giving workers the means of production, leaving private industry to exist, believing people are different and some are better then others and leaving the class distinctions very much alive makes it vastly different then Marxism.

If you call natsoc capitalistic or socialist in the marxist definition (Which most people only know of) your very wrong.

If you want the socialists who care for their culture and race look at the strasserism. They're the ones who got purged. The whole "Take from the right nationalism and from the left socialism without internationalism) is them. They got fucked hard. Pic related

>>134513395
>>134512933

I'm hearing loads of ideals, but not methods. I'm certainly not seeing the ideals that distinguish you from communists. Because they say the same shit, the same ideals, you guys are saying.

So I'm not understanding how exactly you two are so different.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSQgCy_iIcc

Communism is absolute control of production by the state.

National Socialism is more aligned with what we today call socialism but with nationalism.

>>134513815
Could you point out the key points I don't feel like watching 9 minutes of some cucked voice

>>134486431
National Socialism confines itself to one country and it's ethnic citizens. Communism tries to rule the world.
The only reason why the German Nazis annexed Austria and parts of Czechoslovakia was because they were German speaking areas. Austria was at one time prior to this to become a part of Germany, but the nobility decided against that. So the people were basically German living in a different country that was arbitrarily separated from their true homeland.

>>134513815
>Ideas
>Commie
All people are the same and therefore classes make no sense. The government should own all means of production and land and also everything else. People should work for the government and the collective output should be redistributed equally.
>Nazism
Union between businesses and the State, with the state telling the business what to do, with nominally private ownership. Corporatism in Italy, National Socialism in Germany. Central planning of National economy.
>Key Elements
>Commie
Centralized government, planned economy, dictatorship of the "proletariat", common ownership of the tools of production, no private property. equality between genders and all people, international focus. Usually anti-democratic with a 1-party system.
>Nazism
Actual idealism, centralized government, social Darwinism, planned economy, anti-democratic, meritocratic, extreme nationalism, militarism, racism (Nazism). Traditional and/or exaggerated gender roles. One party system.

>Definition
>Commie
International theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, with actual ownership ascribed to the community or state. Rejection of free markets and extreme distrust of Capitalism in any form.
>Nazism
An extremely nationalistic, authoritarian state usually led by one person at the head of one party. No democratic election of representatives. No free market. The State controls of the press and all other media.
>Political System
>Commie
A communist society is stateless, classless and is governed directly by the people.
>Nazism
One charismatic leader has absolute authority. Often the symbol of the state. Advisers to Government are generally picked by merit rather than election.
>Private Property
>Commie
Abolished. The concept of property is negated and replaced with the concept of commons and ownership with "usership".
>Nazism
Nominally permitted. Contingent upon service, obedience, or usefulness to the State.

>>134513886
I'm not going to reiterate it very well, so if you respond to me I'll still be confused.

Giving workers a stake in the production of their labor. Capitalism just means you a worker is exploited by capitalists. Capitalist life isn't fulfilling.

You really gotta watch the video. If you're a NatSoc you'll probably agree with most of this.

>>134486431
What would you all say would be the closest modern equivalent to Nazi Germany's economic system? China?

>>134513815
>Ownership Structure
>Commie
The means of production are commonly-owned, meaning no entity or individual owns productive property. Importance is ascribed to "usership" over "ownership".
>Nazism
The means of production are nominally privately owned but directed by the State. Private ownership of business is contingent upon submission to the direction and interests of the State.

>Economic System
>Commie
The means of production are held in common, negating the concept of ownership in capital goods. Production is organized to provide for human needs directly without any use for money. Communism is predicated upon a condition of material abundance.
>Nazism
>Autarky (national self-sufficiency). Keynesian (mostly). Large public works, deficit spending. Anti trade union and syndicalism. Strongly against international financial markets and usury.
>Religion
>commie
Abolished - all religious and metaphysics is rejected. Engels and Lenin agreed that religion was a drug or “spiritual booze” and must be combated. To them, atheism put into practice meant a “forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions.
>Nazism
Fascism is a civic religion, freedom of religion

>Free Choice
>commie
Either the collective "vote" or the state's rulers make economic and political decisions for everyone else. In practice, rallies, force, propaganda etc. are used by the rulers to control the populace.
>Nazism
The individual is considered powerless; they must submit to the decisions of the leadership. Traditional gender roles are upheld and/or exaggerated.

>Earliest Remnants
>Commie
Theorized by Karl Marx and Frederick Engels in the mid-19th century as an alternative to capitalism and feudalism, communism was not tried out until after the revolution in Russia in the early 1910s.
>Nazism
The Roman Empire, which could be argued was a fascist entity. The earliest fascist theories were based on examples left behind by the Roman

>>134486431
commie govt owns everything takes everything from you, nazis let you make money, have businesses, buy and sell, they just helped each other, you know they were about their society, they helped the people, giving them loans they could pay off, rent they could pay and still have money to spend in the economy and they were right because they prospered. obviously communist countries prevent people from thriving. they were for the good of the volk, even concerned about the environment since that concerns the volk. they want to demonize them so you won't know there is a better possibility than the profiteering and big government of the Western world and commie nations.

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>>134513815
Is that enough difference for you. You sound like your going off the horse shoe theory. Pic related