How was your Catholic upbringing /pol/?

>>134482953
Forced

>>134482953
Forced

>>134482953
Lax

it was great desu

>>134483468
Bavarian spotted

>>134483338
>>134483468
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>>134483718
Do you practice today?

>>134483931
No.

>>134483931
Nope, atheist.

>>134482953
Forced. I will never go to church but still consider myself catholic if someone asked.

>>134483861

No, I'm from the north. But my mother is Italian.

>>134483931
No, although I can respect those who do because at least they're not all-out materialist-consumerists.

>>134484117
Same

>>134482953
Kind of shitty, taught in CCD about obedience, going to hell, how parents would be disappointed if you didn't join them in Heaven. Hard making friends since most kids in my town were Protestant, and we were taught they were going to Hell. Lots of guilt over being attracted to girls, we were taught it's impure and purposely sinful. Left the church forever at 18.

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>>134482953
Fixed.

>>134483931
ye i guess. I pray twice a day and study the Bible every once in awhile but i never go to church

>>134484331
>Forever
relax bro, everyone in this thread is going to convert before death, TRUSTbME

>>134484638
why dont you go?

>>134482953
I was molested by a pastor, he touched my behind/penis, but it only happened once so I never reported it.

Presbyterianism is the one true path.

Forced. Stopped going right before 18. I actually regret it and miss the rituals, the comfort of the church, praying etc. but I lost the faith and feel it would be dishonest to go back when I have extreme doubts about God, religion and specifically Catholicism. I wish I could believe again.

>>134484704
idk to be honest. laziness? i only go to church on days like easter and chirstmas, or if my gfs family wants me to come with them

>>134484834
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWvz4-V4MBY

>>134485501
go every sunday anon, its the fuel for the week desu

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>>134482953
nonexistent I came to the light on my own

>>134483861
If he was a Bavarian he wouldn't have to be forced to be catholic.

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>>134482953
It's not the true church and not founded by Christ.
Retard

>>134488102
>memes history
Naturally i wouldn't trust someone with your intelligence, but ill let you humour me, which church is the true church then garcon?

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>>134483338
>>134483468
Literally me. Except SDA instead of Catholic. I'm almost 20 and still have to do all this stupid shit. I never had a fucking chance at a normal life. They're so deep into the shit that it's all they ever talk about. Help. Me.

>>134488342
Probably none have it exact. But Catholics just completely ignore what Jesus and the apostles said

Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

John 3
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

>>134488343
>I'm almost 20 and still have to do all this stupid shit.
You don't have to do shit. Study, get a job, save some money and leave.

>>134488850
so your going to complelety the verse that says Faith without works is dead? This is classic prottie cherry picking, Thank GOD we have a magisterum and not some random book reader on chan declaring doctrine kek

>>134489707
*completely ignore

>>134482953
Well my ass still hurts but it went okay.

>>134489844
buttplugs are germ infested you dirt squirrel

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>>134482953
Left when I was 14. Came back when I was 26. Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus.

>>134486115
Good man.

lapsed

>>134482953
Semi-forced/Semi-lax

I had to go to church every Sunday and Saturday, mostly because my mother forced me to go. My dad was didn't care. My mom gave up after I started Middle School because I kept playing hooky. I've been an atheist since.

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I was raised nominally Catholic. Now my family doesn't really care for me because I take my faith seriously. My sister was married by some Prot woman and I refused to take part in the wedding, now my grandfather doesn't speak to me. There's nothing more worthless in life than some pathetic old man who forsook his faith for worldly comfort and expects those younger than him to do the same so he wont feel so ashamed.

>Devout Catholic and loving every day of my life.

>>134482953
By St Peter.

I left when (((Antipope Francis))) started bitching about letting in more refugees while continuing to do nothing about molestation incidents with priests. I go to a lutheran church now on Christmas and Easter to tell my parents I'm still a Christian to keep them from completely freaking out.

>>134494448
heretic, come back son

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Orthodox is the truth. No cuckdom. No forsaking your European heritage for migrants. Glorifying God though European culture.

>>134494963
>Crusader flag
>le based Eastern church
I smell fucking burgers.

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>>134494541
I probably will eventually since my county is about 99.9999% catholic and I intend to settle down here... but you bastards are only getting me back in name, I'm done worshipping jews

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>>134495080
Got a problem with it, ahmed?

>>134495390
Just develop a own culture instead of LARPing as le based flavour of the month. It's the same shit with all the Pagans. Nothing more degenerate than betraying your family and going against the faith you were raised in.

>>134495605
I was raised in a southern baptist church where fat girls who had three niglets were praised as being "new found virgins".

No thanks hans.

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>>134495086
I wonder who could be behind this post?

>>134486115
This.
I'm only making baby steps but it feels amazing.

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>>134494963
You don't know much about "Orthodoxy" then. It's a "religion" for statist cucks that thinks the state should b e at the head of their religion. Hardly European, and totally in line with Asiatic social domination.

>>134495855
You need to get part one of my reply done first for there to actually be a worthwhile religion to be raised in.

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>>134486115
>>134496020

You had help.

>>134489707
>>134489745
*you're
Stupid Canadians.

>>134482953
Polytheistic

>>134483931
Every Sunday I go to church, it brought me the thought of silence and safety from the outside. I honestly don't understand why people hate going.

>>134489707
Faith without works is dead, meaning that those who have faith will in turn produce works on his own, or it is not true faith in God. Works alone are not tallied and scored, however, since it is said that whoever believes in him will have eternal life

>>134485090
Same. Except I don't miss it. But there was a catholic mass/ceremony for my grandfathers funeral. It was extremely awkwardly following along with the prayers and rituals despite having not believed in that shit in almost 10 years.

>>134496639
I only reached this point from wanting to know the truth, and this journey started because of politics.
God really is truth and it's so obvious, but as with everything else, no person will understand until they experience something and reach that conclusion themself.

>>134482953
Never really "got it" until I was in middle school, decided to think about whether or not it was actually important to me, decided it was. Not good at practicing it, though.

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>>134482953
>be me. 16yrs old at the time
>step-dad decides to appease his catholic mother and drag us all to catholic church
>"...and also with you"
>"...and also with you"
>"...and also with you"
>endure endless ritual
>teenage mind crave meaning and purpose to things, and no explanation given
>huge fight with step-dad and mom. no more church.
>took many many years of learning and life experience to discover why I hated that experience so much, and what I really wanted.
>discover even later in life the profundity of understanding what you didn't understand, but also why you didn't understand.

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>>134482953
>catholics
>very unhappy, many become atheists
>forced to pretend to cannibalize their savior at mass
>forced to admit sins to creepy old man they're forced to call "Father" who may or may not be a pedophile for no real reason
>baptists
>happy as they are raised with the truth, most remain baptist their entire life

>>134498049
Wtf I love church now

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>>134482953

Moldavian Orthodox here. But my mother is a from a Catholic part of Transylvania, and there are some Catholic churches here as well.

>>134482953
Reminder that the catholic church is irredeemably corrupted

>>134497475
SO ITS BOTH, meaning up to the discretion of God if you really obeyed his law

>>134483338
L.O.L.

Good job, "Hue-Hue,"

>>134482953

Papists get the fuck out.

Forced. Went to Saturday school to get my first communion. In order to do that, we had to go to mass on Sunday's and turn in a slip during the money collection. We get that slip back Saturday. Did that for 2 years.
Then when I turned 14, I had to go to confirmation classes which sucked. Eventually at when I was 17, I became a youth peer minister for kids doing the confirmation thing. Didn't get paid for it since it was a voluntary thing. Now that I'm 24, I haven't gone to church. I believe in spirits, and multiple gods. Still consider myself Catholic, but not practicing.
>but when I hit low points, I go back to church and talk to a statue of Jesus and the virgin marry.
>I don't do Ash Wednesday, lent, Easter, etc.

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>>134498235
>tfw baptist
>tfw shat on by people of every religion, even my own
>tfw dindu nuffing just wanna save people and have a great sense of community
>tfw some orthodox cuck will try and convince me i'm going to hell

>mfw the irony

>>134483931
Nope, I'm a deist.

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Protestant upbringing, but was sent to jesuit school because they had good academic level. My teachers thought I would have made a good priest.

As of right now I owe no allegiance to any denomination.

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>>134498991
>Nope, I'm a deist.

It was good at first, until Dad started to think my younger brother was some sort of holy prophet who could do no wrong. I left the faith at that point, Dad kicked me out of the house for it.

>>134482953
Didn't have one. Became Trad Catholic all on my own.

>>134488850
It's saying the reason for the works is important
Catholics believe you are saved through faith alone, but that you cannot be truly faithful and not do good works.

It's all just myths. The Catholic Church affirmed for centuries that the Earth is the center of the cosmos and burned Bruno at the stake for it, went against Copernicus, etc. They just bit their tongue on evolution because they got spanked hard on the geocentrism thing.

>>134482953
I was brought up Catholic and I had the best childhood I could have asked for. I had great parents, alpha father, great older brother.

I grew up never getting into any serious trouble and graduated college no debt.

I am now happily married and still Catholic.

>>134499459
Anon, do you know who was Copernicus' staunchest defender?

>>134499459
What are you talking about? Copernicus was dead and buried by the time the church even addressed his theories

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>>134498820
>>tfw shat on by people of every religion, even my own

There is no need to be be ashamed. On the contrary:

Jefferson and Madison gave Roger Williams (to name just one Baptist priest) the credit of being the "original thought influencer on the first amendment". They respected him a lot.

Ayn Rand saying: "If it is ever proper for men to kneel, we should kneel when we read the Declaration of Independence.", having a deep respect for the ones who established naturalism or "the prodigious concept of individual [natural - because that's why they are inalienable] rights" or for "the key—and the only key—to the problem of national unity" (and here is the REAL "integration" in this exactly the same Reality for everyone - “A Nation’s Unity part II").

All long forgotten.

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>>134482953
It made me feel guilty about having a sex drive
it made me think I was going to hell all the time

would not recommend

I went to ccd classes taught by frigid childless women with basic lowest tier understanding of theology. Basically daycare with worksheets.

Our first father was a good guy, later replaced by a series of foreigners who werent stellar

I didnt get confirmed because the Catholic church is a criminal pedophile organization.

>>134499900
Oh yeah I almost forgot about the nagging sense of guilt and fear of eternal fire and torture whenever I had an impure thought (god can read my mind). That's good for a young child to constantly be thinking about.

Pretty neat

Got loads of money for Communion and confirmation.

Went to pubs as kid for communion and christenings of relatives.

Now go to weddings.

Pretty neat 8/10

>>134500072
Also, the grounds of the church with nice trees that kids played on were all destroyed when they built a useless and ugly addition to the church foyer

>>134500079
>>134499900
As a side note it's really hard to masturbate when you think all your dead relatives are to in heaven smiling, or cringing, down on you.

>>134499686
>>134499459

>Anon, do you know who was Copernicus' staunchest defender?

On 1 November 1536, Cardinal Nikolaus von Schönberg, Archbishop of Capua, wrote to Copernicus:

"Some years ago word reached me concerning your proficiency, of which everybody constantly spoke. At that time I began to have a very high regard for you... For I had learned that you had not merely mastered the discoveries of the ancient astronomers uncommonly well but had also formulated a new cosmology. In it you maintain that the earth moves; that the sun occupies the lowest, and thus the central, place in the universe... Therefore with the utmost earnestness I entreat you, most learned sir, unless I inconvenience you, to communicate this discovery of yours to scholars, and at the earliest possible moment to send me your writings on the sphere of the universe together with the tables and whatever else you have that is relevant to this subject".

But on the other hand, Copernicus did not wanted to publish his manuscript, and gave clear instructions for all to wait after his death.

"People give ear to an upstart astrologer who strove to show that the earth revolved, not the heavens or the firmament, the sun and the moon. This fool wishes to reverse the entire science of astronomy; but the sacred Scripture tells us that Joshua commanded the sun to stand still and not the earth." Martin Luther on Copernicus

>This theory had been presented in a book published in 1543 by the Polish scientist Nicolaus Copernicus in opposition to the prevailing theory, advanced by the second-century astronomer Ptolemy, that the Sun and the rest of the cosmos orbited the Earth. But the contest between the two models was purely on theoretic and theological grounds until Galileo made the first observations of the four largest moons of Jupiter, exploding the Ptolemaic notion that all heavenly bodies must orbit the Earth.

In 1616, the Copernican view was declared heretical because it refuted a strict biblical interpreation of the Creation that "God fixed the Earth upon its foundation, not to be moved forever." But Galileo obtained the permission of Pope Urban VIII, a Barberini and a friend, to continue research into both the Ptolemaic and the Copernican views of the world, provided that his findings drew no definitive conclusions and acknowledged divine omnipotence.

But when, in 1632, Galileo published his findings in "Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems," the work was a compelling endorsement of the Copernican system.

Summoned to Rome for trial by the Inquisition one year later, Galileo defended himself by saying that scientific research and the Christian faith were not mutually exclusive and that study of the natural world would promote understanding and interpretation of the scriptures. But his views were judged "false and erroneous." Aging, ailing and threatened with torture by the Inquisition, Galileo recanted on April 30, 1633.

http://www.nytimes.com/1992/10/31/world/after-350-years-vatican-says-galileo-was-right-it-moves.html

>>134500451
And here's the archive
https://archive.is/71G0N

>>134499885
you have a good heart anon God Bless you

>>134500072
I grew up in rural Indiana and the first line is definitely true for me. As long as I can remember though we've had a father from Sri Lanka and his accent was pretty hard to understand. I was confirmed, but I haven't been to church in years though, I heard we got a new father from Nigeria. I may go back soon, we'll see.

>>134500451
>http://www.nytimes.com/

NY Times sucks.

Here is the real story:

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-most-misunderstood-historical-event/answer/Tim-ONeill-1

The Catholic Church did not (and does not) teach that the Bible had to be interpreted literally. In fact, the idea of Biblical literalism is a very modern notion - one that arose in the USA in the Nineteenth Century and is exclusively a fundamentalist Protestant idea. The Catholic Church, then and now, taught that any given Bible verse or passage could be interpreted via no less than four levels of exegesis - the literal, the allegorical/symbolic, the moral and the eschatological. Of these, the literal meaning was generally regarded as the least important. This also meant that a verse of scripture could be interpreted via one or more of these levels and it could potentially have no literal meaning at all and be purely metaphorical or symbolic.

Therefore the Church had no problem with learning that a passage which had been interpreted literally could no longer be read that way because we now have a better understanding of the world. So many passages were originally interpreted by very early Christians as indicating the earth was flat, but by the time Christianity spread to more educated converts, it was clear this reading was contrary to the knowledge that the earth is actually a sphere, so these passages came to be read purely symbolically.
"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgot their use" - Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)

Letter to the Grand Duchess Christina (1615)

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>>134500451

All this means that the Church was quite capable of changing its interpretations of scriptures that seemed to say the earth was "fixed" etc if it could be shown that this was not literally the case. It just was not going to do so before this was demonstrated conclusively - something Galileo had not done. As Cardinal Bellarmine noted on his 1616 ruling on Galileo's writings:

If there were a true demonstration that the sun is at the centre of the world and the earth in the third heaven, and that the sun does not circle the earth but the earth circles the sun, then one would have to proceed with great care in explaining the Scriptures that appear contrary, and say rather that we do not understand them than that what is demonstrated is false. But this is not a thing to be done in haste, and as for myself I shall not believe that there are such proofs until they are shown to me.


Bellarmine was no scientific ignoramus, since he had previously been a university lecturer in natural philosophy in Flanders and was well acquainted with the state of the cosmological debate. So he knew, as Galileo knew, that most scientists of the time still favoured geocentrism and heliocentrism was far from proven. As it happens, once heliocentrism was proven, the Church reconsidered and reinterpreted those scriptures precisely as Bellarmine proposed they should.

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-most-misunderstood-historical-event/answer/Tim-ONeill-1

>>134498235
I'm a Catholic but I believe that the Pope is a cunt and does not represent what I believe in.

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>>134501912
>I'm a Catholic but I believe that the Pope is a cunt and does not represent what I believe in.

Had an awakening when I was 12 and realised the Pope was full of shit. Became a Protestant

The real scientific proof came in in 1687, when Isaac Newton published Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica, which provided an explanation for Kepler's laws in terms of universal gravitation and what came to be known as Newton's laws of motion. This placed Heliocentrism on a firm theoretical foundation. But to prove this he had to measure the mass of Jupiter, mass of Earth, invent a branch of Optics, a new telescope (with no chromatic aberrations as is was just a mirror and not a pair of lens), Calculus, Gravity etc.

Only after that Both Galileo and Belarmine knew this was not the case at his trial and he could not prove this hypothesis. At that point in time.

For a more detailed analysis of the competing cosmologies in question and why the Church was actually in step with the scientific consensus of the time, see:

Tim O'Neill's answer to Why was the Catholic Church so opposed to heliocentrism (for example, in the Renaissance)?

Suggested Reading:

Ronald L. Numbers (ed.) Galileo Goes to Jail and Other Myths about Science and Religion (Harvard University Press: 2010)

Richard J. Blackwell, "Galileo Galilei" in Science and Religion: A Historical Introduction Gary B. Ferngren (ed.) (John Hopkins Press: 2002)

David C. Lindberg, "Galileo, the Church and the Cosmos" in When Science and Christianity Meet, D.C. Lindberg and R.L. Numbers (eds.) (University of Chicago Press: 2003)

William R. Shea & Mariano Artigas, Galileo in Rome: The Rise and Fall of a Troublesome Genius, (Oxford University Press: 2003)

Giorgio de Santillana, The Crime of Galileo (University of Chicago Press: 1955)

Maurice A. Finnocchiaro (ed.) The Essential Galileo, (Hackett Publishing: 2008)

Richard J. Olson, Science and Religion, 1450-1900: From Copernicus to Darwin, (John Hopkins Press: 2006)

James Hannam, The Genesis of Science: How the Christian Middle Ages Launched the Scientific Revolution (Regenery Publishing: 2011)

>>134500220
Nigga you gay

I think about pussy when I j/o

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Forced. It didn't pan out. I'm still conservative, just an atheist.

Religion and my personality DO NOT go together.

Sick of being convinced that Satan was at war with God over my soul and is trying to gain entry to my body via my mind.

>>134496175
Dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life

>>134482953
I'm a baptist, raised to hate all the tenants of Catholicism and the pope. Although I don't care for a lot the tenenants or the pope I want to convert for the history and culture that it has.

What's some good advice on finding a good Catholic church to convert too?

>>134502218
>>134501160
>>134500782
Good shit bookmarked for later

>>134482953
Parents were prods
Converted to ultra orthodox catholic

>>134502417
Jews have a different interpretation, become a kike

>>134500072
>>134500718

I think this is a very important point. I went to catholic schools from age 4 to 18 and there was very little depth to many of the required theology classes. I'm sort of agnostic but I now understand that some of my aversion to catholicism was how shallow and stupid the teachers seemed to me, and how unwilling many of them were to engage with the religion on the metaphysical level, the practical ethical level beyond prescriptions, etc. It's funny because in the actual bible, Jesus does field questions like this and usually gives an answer.

>>134494448
Freaked parents are kinda fun. My parents are classic 1970's Jesus freak christians and I converted to Judaism. Good times! Actually they got over it but it took a few years.

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>>134500073
I had the same issues. I mean seriously, I was probably quackers from the start, but the idea of constantly being watched, judged, and persecuted by invisible entities who were going to control my mind body and soul was a major theme in my psychological issues. I can't tell you how many fucking nights I stayed up all night praying to God to protect me from being possessed because my shithead brain decided to pray to Satan to come possess me. It was like I was constantly locked in spiritual war.

>>134502915
Nah, I'm good.

>>134503041
Ah man. I had to do a teen Bible study thing so I could get confirmed. I remember always being told that if I ever renounced or doubted god even ONCE there was no going back, and you were hellbound.

I'm kinda like tweak from South Park. I totally acknowledge I freak out over stuff, but telling that to children and teens, especially to teens like me who are always questioning their faith, that shit is just straight up abuse. Fuck em.

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>>134496175

>You don't know much about "Orthodoxy" then. It's a "religion" for statist cucks that thinks the state should b e at the head of their religion. Hardly European, and totally in line with Asiatic social domination.


Btw, starting with 323 AD, and the Councils of Niceea, the civil code is separated from the Church and religion (see the work of Saint Maximus the Confessor trying to separate the Christological positions and why they resulted in the mutilation of his tongue and right hand - not to talk or to write anything - and why this eventually lead to freedom of speech and press laws - see Roger Williams from above).

That is central to our culture, as the FIRST amendment in the Bill of Right is "the Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech". So you should really know that, as this freedom OF religion is more important than the freedom of speech, that comes secondary to that (and in that order - there a reason for this, it is not without a meaning - because speech comes from conscience, and you need to have freedom of conscience first to have any kind of freedom of speech).


Or why Scalia and others treasured this clear separation between the Church and the State, started by Jesus - the coin with two faces shown to priests, it was the only time He was violent - when he overthrew the tables.

Or why Maxim the Confessor (who wrote the coutumes in jurisprudence for this separation) was later canonized and is now considered a saint.

Here's a picture from Ukraine.

>>134502810
Find a Latin Mass community; look for FSSP or Institute of Christ the King... Avoid the wishy washy novus ordo churches which are filled with bugpeople

>>134482953

Church is stupid and brilliant at the same time.
They have this massive book full of shit with almost half of it repeating the same story from different perspectives.
Then they make up this timeline of events they repeat year after year that barely covers like 10% of the content but because its the only bright mark written they preach it week after week to gather followers who enjoy hearing it and give them money when there's a ton of shit never even mentioned but they know most people are too stupid to bother reading it.

>>134497663
mine mirrors this pretty much

>>134503285
Yeah, I sympathize. I'd have liked to have just had some male teacher willing to field questions about theology. Never once in 14 years did I hear the fire and brimstone treatment in school, but I constantly heard the vacuous, feel-good american protestant type christianity which is maybe even more shallow. Catholicism is a very pozzed religion. Many don't realize this.

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>>134503786
I went to public school, but my family was pretty Catholic, and that's how I was raised. It just didn't stick. If anything, church, confirmation, all that shit, all it did was push me further from religion. Too much ceremony and dogma if you ask me.

This is going to sound edgy, but when my parents told me I needed to be an altar boy, I straight up told them I didn't believe in god anymore. A belief I could in no way substantiate was just not worth the pain it was causing me. Like, I'd obsessively read Revelations OVER and OVER and OVER. I'd try to search for signs of the end times even when I was little. I would panic when I saw the numbers 666 anywhere, and I'd draw crosses next to all of them in order to "purify" them and deny Satan dominon

I remember my mom even tried to talk to me about it after she saw my math homework covered in crosses and I was dousing myself in holy water I collected in water bottles.

They were never fire and brimstone parents. I just read the Bible and listened to spiritual leaders at my church. You real what you sow, you fuckers.

>>134503516
whats happening in that picture anon

>>134497468
I haven't been since my mom dragged me there as a kid. I'd like to start going again, but I'm worried I wont know how to hell to act there.

>>134485090
Consider this. Say a prayer to the God you doubt exists, asking for the grace of faith. Promise that you will be faithful if God reveals Himself to you.

This method worked for me; the grace of faith dawned in me slowly, over about a two-year period.

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>>134504532

It's from 2014. They wanted to calm the violent clashes between protesters and police, and avoid deaths on both sides. They managed to unite all, at the end. The only killing was done by isolated snipers wanting to incite to violence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeDtJ21uIo0

>>134504872
So in theory, this can work for other gods right?

>>134494305
>There's nothing more worthless in life than some pathetic old man who forsook his faith for worldly comfort and expects those younger than him to do the same so he wont feel so ashamed.

Pray for him. You are potentially a channel of grace God could use to reach him. We are all sinners.

"Or do you despise the riches of His goodness, forbearance, and longsuffering, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?" Romans 2:4

>>134505016
wow

>>134504529
Not only are you an autist, but you fail to realise that religion is either for the enlightened that search for truth or the idiots that follow dogma because they were told so.
You are the middle ground that generates the cancer of the jew
>I'm so enlightened that I refuse to be enlightened

>>134502218

Thanks for these posts, anon.

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>>134506389
Nah, just not interested in being psychologically and spiritually terrorized you double nigger

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I went to church twice and it was ok

>>134482953
I was raised in a Pagan household, so I don't know this feel

>>134507148
You'll grow up some day.

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what is going on?

>>134502810
>Although I don't care for a lot the tenenants or the pope I want to convert for the history and culture that it has.

That's something, and it's true and legitimate, but a deeper truth is that it is the sacraments, and in particular the Eucharist ("the source and summit of the Christian faith") that gives life to the individual Catholic and the Church as a whole -- the sacraments and in particular the Eucharist are truly the source of the Church's history and culture, for the Eucharist is the supernatural source of the Church's unity, which is humanly impossible (see the many and divided Protestant churches -- that is what the human will produces).

"Because there is one bread, we who are many are one body, for we all partake of the one bread." 1 Corinthians 10:17.

This ~3000 word essay explains what the Catholic Church claims to be, and the historical and biblical reasons why the Catholic claims are trustworthy.

>>134507528
> I was raised in a Pagan household, so I don't know this feel


So easy for so many leftists to talk about reason, fallacies, myths. But imagine that you were born in 1200. In some pagan part of the world..

It's interesting because so many raised under the current PC police and "religious equality" concepts as they are understood today are completely unaware of the struggle in the past to separate the pagan / gnostic myths (or heresies) from the official doctrine of the Church (I am not talking about current Pope, or popes in general - but the debate started 800-1700 years ago).
And it's really crucial. As this generation is helpless in identifying for example "Mother Earth" religion as it derived directly from Gnostics. "Mother Gaia" is nothing new, Earth Day practitioners offer sacrifices of “good works" even today. Hopefully they will not go to all the way to human sacrifices. The ideas of Malthusian catastrophe and the sacrifices we "need" to make in order to survive as a specie (see carbon tax) are exactly about that retarded old cult, but hopefully they will not influence the politics too much, as it did in the past (Eugenists - Fabians and so on).

But hey, any "cult" or "religion" is better than Christianity, right? Or the variant "all religions are equally bad" (somehow the same thing - as none of the views define the term religion). As long as we blame Christianity for everything bad happening in history, any old matriarchal and even sacrificial cult (*for the common good) will do just fine.

It's no wonder that so many fall in these traps, without being able to identify the real dangers. Albert Magnus and Aquinas "carefully dissected the method that Aristotle employed in undertaking the task of expounding natural philosophy. This method, Albert decided, is experientially based and proceeds to draw conclusions by the use of both inductive and deductive logic. Christian theology, as Albert found it taught in Europe rested firmly upon the revelation of Sacred Scripture and the Church Fathers. Therefore, he reasoned, the two domains of human culture are distinct in their methodology and pose no threat to each other. Both can be pursued for their own sake. Philosophy was not to be valued only in terms of its ancillary relation to theology."

He firmly established a clear and distinct (*sound, coherent, experimental) path of knowledge. Even Kurt Godel in his incompleteness theorems respected and used that. All was good.

But here comes Kant's philosophy that promotes the idea that reality is fundamentally unknowable, that faith and reason are equally valid, that emotions and logic are equally valid (Subjectivism). So this is where things got messed up for good. Instead of using old and verified methods, science dived head first straight into the muddy mysticism and paganism the Church tried to avoid (with great pains) for so long. Kant regretted at the end, but it was already too late.

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Jefferson and Madison giving Roger Williams (to name just one) the credit of being the "original thought influencer on the first amendment", respecting him a lot, Ayn Rand saying: "If it is ever proper for men to kneel, we should kneel when we read the Declaration of Independence.", having a deep respect for the ones who established naturalism or "the prodigious concept of individual [natural - because that's why they are inalienable] rights" or for "the key—and the only key—to the problem of national unity" (and here is the REAL "integration" in this exactly the same Reality for everyone - “A Nation’s Unity part II") - all long forgotten.

Benjamin Franklin saying ""I never was without some religious principles", or Washington's Farewell Address explaining why in order for policies to "lead to political prosperity, Religion and Morality are indispensable supports" - all long gone.

No one is interested now HOW the methods of understanding the Reality evolved, or why. No one talks about bona fides, prudence (a cardinal virtue), decency, good faith - all of them concepts that most LGBT activists never heard of until now as basis for the Law. Yes, it's a very long and difficult talk, but the reward will be the natural understanding of the mechanisms working behind, and how the philosophy actually works.

Or came to incorporate those ideas lurking around ("no thought without a phantasm"), or how the thin thread of reason managed to clear the haze, or dogma. And how we can so easily AVOID myths and dogma (or "fake idols" as "environmentalism", "blind faith" and so on). Or why the first university in the world was created (by a Church) to move these debates from public space to a proper establishment. But no one is interested. We all should "think positive", avoid the "bad energies", in an updated neo-platonic way.

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>>134507592
Maybe you will too. I wish you all the best

>>134482953
Vatican 2 makes it worse than Protestants.

>>134488102
No church is founded by Christ. Learn history. Jesus didn't write the Bible either.

>>134503041
That is unfortunate.

There are some quite brilliant Catholic writers and speakers. I am sure you could find someone who "speaks" to you.

For example, Thomas Merton's autobiography, The Seven Story Mountain is a classic conversion story.

If you're interested in the theology, the book Theology for Beginners by Frank Sheed is quite good. Just about everything Sheed wrote is worth reading.

It's very interesting, in the first few pages of the book, to learn to think theologically about some very basic matters, like the idea of spirit, and spirit being completely non-material -- spirit has no "spread" in space; not so much as a single atom of "spread." It can be kind of a hard thing to get one's mind around.

Anyhoo, there is a wealth of great Catholic books and articles out there, most certainly including issues of metaphysics.

>>134482953
>How was your Catholic upbringing /pol/?
brutal and short

>>134507839
Its true. My parents are apart of a Neodruid community. They meet up every once in a while and have a ritual.

>>134482953
PEACEFUL. As a woman, and I know /pol/ doesn't want to ever hear from us, but this is just a personal experience. I always found Protestant women quite...catty, and I live in a mostly Protestant dominated area. Every Catholic I ever met was quite lovely, charming women. She had grace, a softness to her that just felt like a field of blossoms (quite lovely for raising children, if you catch my drift). Every Protestant I met lies. They lie, they cheat on their spouses/significant others, they do not confess their sins to a Priest thus are left on the streets to...well, feed. They are just quite vicious, I've even heard some of them bark like beasts. They disobey their parents from their formative, early years; If you're ever around a Protestant and not giving them constant attention (just for them to walk away and not speak to you again), they start to feel really low and feel really bad, and when a Protestant goes through some inner-struggle, it's always going to fall back onto the innocent people in the room. Now, as a Catholic in a Protestant public school, I didn't want anyone to know my religion, so I just told them my senior year I was an atheist. Now, I've been around Catholics and have said something similar, and they just had an aura of pure energy and love, and they didn't even flinch when you mention "Jesus isn't real", because Catholics have divine intelligence, and know not everyone is going to believe in him (as there's significant evidence that proves this), but they've got enough pure energy to know what is true (plus, they kept their mouths shut, which is kind of nice); but, say something like "Jesus is piss" to a protestant and you're sure enough in hell, and have to listen to a grown adult behave like a beastly animal and "Well, I definitely believe in blahblahblah" (something they are just trained to say, actually vs really meeting Jesus).

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It should offend no one to recognize a more than tenuous link between this strange opinion and the Zeitgeist out of which full-blown Nazism sprang at a later stage. Manichean, proto-Zoroastrian, Dualist mythologies existed long before Christianity. They exists in different forms even today. Nietzsche and his Ubermensch (see the recent debate about Singularity) did not come out of the blue sky.

But who is interested on these subjects, now, when all the ancient Iranian religions wreak havoc and punishments around the world? Very, very few. I'll end with what Thomas Jefferson
said some time ago: "The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers". The only difference from the past is now the scientists are reading newspapers almost all the time..
_______

What strikes me most is that no one sees that we are not so far away from those times. Take me, for example. I am 40. I remember clearly the times when I had to connect with a 14.400 bps to this thing called the Internet, back in 1995. There was such a different time (not to mention the 1989 Revolution etc).

The I remember my grandfather who told me lots of stories about his brother, the first man to fly an airplane over his county, and village, over his house. Stories about the escape from Stalingrad, how he was shot in the Tatra Mountains by Germans. How he saw a tv set for the first time, the Moon Landing. When he told me those stories He was 60 and I was 10. One generation, so to speak. 60 years.

How old are we, as a civilization? How many generations? If we look from a generational point of view, we are very young. Add some 3 more generations behind and we reach a completely different world - the Civil War. The Declaration of Independence. 7 generations - Newton, Galileo. 30 cycles of people telling other people stories, looking in their eyes.


"Why, then the world is my oyster,
Which I with sword will open".

The Merry Wives Of Windsor Act 2, scene 2, 2–5

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>>134482953
Went to Catholic Middle and High Schools. Catholics are more cucked than Mainline Protestants. They worship niggers and spics and will allow them get away with anything. Don't listen to the larpers on here for one second, the RC church is a joke

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brety gud, 6 years as an altar boy and 0 molestations.

>>134508785
I have never met a Catholic with any sort of internal ethic. Just a peasant wandering from one fad to another. Protestants built this nation and you only have to look south of the border to see Catholics at work. You're a ditz with an ax to grind

It was okay, still pretty shit and obviously a thing retarded sand people and dumb ancient people came up with to explain life and easily spread a morality system and for people to feel good about themselves and not worry about life after death

>>134508785
yeah protestants are the worst. I live in the bible belt and they're always the most self righteous hypocritical group of people. Just nasty individuals.
And catholics are at least sane, protestants are fucking nuts.
The pope is shit though.

>>134505035
No. There's only one God.

You should say a prayer like that, anon. Seeing your post, >>134504529, fwiw, I suggest you try a prayer like that.

Your forthrightness reflects an honesty that can allow God to reach you.

>You reap what you sow

Indeed. And if you do make such a contingent prayer, asking for the gift of faith, do it as honestly as possible, put as much of yourself into that prayer as you can. Pray for the grace to make a good prayer; pray for the grace to cooperate with God's grace.

>I'd obsessively read Revelations

There is a risk in Catholicism of a certain obsessiveness, but that is not a healthy spirituality, and a wise counselor will instruct in ways and attitudes which avoid that kind of neurosis.

>Too much ceremony and dogma

Ceremony arises in the presence of the sacred; dogma preserves theological truth in a concise, accurate form.

Although I know that when these things are presented in a mediocre fashion, I know they can be uninspiring, and even offputting.

>>134509491
Yes, I'm well aware Protestants are responsible for lefties, SJWs, protesters. Protestants were the original ones, what we are going through is because someone wanted to drink the kool-aid. They are named after "Protesters" because that's what they were: savages.

I never trust an American who follows the Church of England, it just feels like it goes against our revolution. You can't be proud to be American, who disobeyed the Queen, only to pray to the her in the end. Like okay, c'mon.

>>134509701
Yes! Protestants just sin everyday, gossip, catty, evil self-righteousness, they're all the same.

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>>134482953
>raised by catholic parents
>>>134482953
learned to be a devout catholic
>was baptize and had communion
>was considered talented in Religious education
>got confirmed
>got older
>decided to learn more about christianity
>learn things that mass would't teach me
>started browsing /pol/
>learn about the pedo rings in the vatican
>started despising the Pope
>series of events occurred in my life that cuase me to be in an all time low
>got blackpilled
>realize that none of the christian churches are 100% true to the philosophy of Christianity
>we might really be alone in this world
>still goes to mass
>the only thing that keeps me from being an atheist is hoping that I might be wrong and crusader larping

>>134507783
>This ~3000 word essay explains what the Catholic Church claims to be, and the historical and biblical reasons why the Catholic claims are trustworthy.

Forgot the link:
>https://www.catholic.com/tract/pillar-of-fire-pillar-of-truth

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>>134509765
I'd be wasting my time.

And I'm not going down the rabbit hole again. Never again. I refuse to willingly live my life a slave to the belief that I am being watched and judged at all times. That a loving god will cast me into the lake of fire if I slip up.

Take your spiritual abuse and leave. You people drove me to madness. I am healthy and happy now without you

Awesome.

>>134509886
Protestant men are also often emasculated as well, probably due to the constant stress of living with a protestant woman. It's sad, really. Tolerant loving hippy jesus just isn't the way it was, and that's all protestants believe.

>>134483931
I'm an atheist but I do practice my Catholicism to a degree. I go to daily mass (I know this doesn't fulfill my requirement for weekly mass) and read scripture.

I've gotten a lot more out of daily mass than I do going on Sundays. It's simpler, more to the point, and things seem more sincere. Less of this musical weirdness or an overly long sermon that the priest tries too hard on half the time. If you're unsure where to start with your faith I would highly recommend daily mass or early Sunday morning.

>>134508237
>No church is founded by Christ.

Christ founded the Catholic Church, upon the rock of Peter, "and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." And they have not prevailed, and will not prevail, because Jesus preserves His Church -- His Bride.

https://www.catholic.com/tract/peter-the-rock

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>>134510468
I used to say the same thing for a time period (rough teenage years), then I realized I was only repeating what was regurgitated onto me by some punk teens who actually hated me. (Literally google your 2nd paragraph, and there'll be millions of special snowflakes just like you) Then I realized as I grew older, that God wrestled every last fight in me, and now I just enjoy life. I don't need to feel judged anymore, and can just live with peace. Me being at peace, brings peace. Just about everyone feels judged around a non-Catholic, as their beliefs are weak (they actually paved the way for atheists and the like).

>>134510468
That's not even close to the gist of Christianity. Don't sweat all the fire and brimstone crap. Just be a nice person and you have literally nothing to worry about. Hell exists on Earth. And you live there when you act like a monster.

>>134510749
I do know some Catholic woman who married an Irish-American protestant, and it's still the same. Overly drunk, overly hateful and overly piggish.

Not one Catholic man has ever treated me less than a human being.

>>134510960
It's just so strange how Catholics give a light of energy; while around Protestant my mind picks up a lot of red coloring, and some "shooing" to the closet. Kind of feels like a blood red graveyard, with beasts. Like you stepped back into an English horror film from the 17th century; where there was the black plague, death and decay, people with rotting teeth that look like they want to eat (you alive).

Around Catholics I feel divine, like I took a shower in radiant yellow light. Nice, clear mind.

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>>134510960
>Nah dude don't sweat it, I mean, yeah, hell and eternal torment sanctioned by god exists and the devil is at war for your soul and is constantly attacking you just chill out man

Cool, thanks father anons, I totally believe now!

>>134511500
Jesus lady, you sound crazier than I am, and I've been on more antipsychotics than you can shake an altar boys dick at

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>>134485501
faith without works is dead brother, I urge you to repent for your own sake

◄ James 2:14;18-25 ►
Verse (Click for Chapter)
New International Version
What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them?

18 But someone will say, “You have faith and I have deeds.” Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds.
19 You believe that God is one. Good for you! Even the demons believe that, and shudder!

20 O foolish man, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is worthless?d
21 Was not our father Abraham justified by what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar?
22 You see that his faith was working with his actions, and his faith was perfected by what he did.
23 And the Scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,”e and he was called a friend of God.
24 As you can see, a man is justified by his deeds and not by faith alone.

25 In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute justified by her actions when she welcomed the messengers and sent them off on another route?
26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.

>>134511725
You should read more, anon. It'll help. I get why you're being sarcastic. Have you ever seen The Seventh Seal? It's a great movie about a knight that has kind of lost his faith.

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>>134511725
I'm quite artist of the bunch. Basically, being around Protestants is hell, and each one I've seen is different than the next (still hell). I would imagine the eye of the beast, hence "blood red", how probably a wild beast like a baboon might only see or view you as a plaything vs as you are. Even adults, grown adults, as old as I am or older treat me like a doll (just like a ragdoll without human emotions); being around them when they are nice is difficult, being around them when you have 2 bananas and they only have 1 is another.

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>>134512064
I do lots of reading. Recently started reading Nausea by Jean Paul Sartre.

And no, I haven't seen the seventh seal. Wanted to tho. Favorite films are The God Father series, and Donnie Darko

>>134512227
Yeee lady, you ever get visions from god? You ever start to think you're a holy vessel or something? As someone who's been in your shoes, you might consider talking to a therapist about this kinda stuff.

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Will you go to Heaven when you die? Here’s a quick test: Have you ever lied, stolen, or used God’s name in vain? Jesus said,
“Whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.”
If you have done these things, God sees you as a lying, thieving, blasphemous, adulterer at heart,
and the Bible warns that one day God will punish you in a terrible place called Hell.
But God is not willing that any should perish. Sinners broke God’s Law and Jesus paid their fine.
This means that God can legally dismiss their case:
“For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son,
that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.”
Then Jesus rose from the dead, defeating death. Today, repent and trust Jesus, and God will give you eternal life as a free gift.
Then read the Bible daily and obey it. God will never fail you.

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>>134512855
This was a good post i read all of it thank you anon I saved ur post in my file called "good post by anons that I have read"

>>134512576
I see, your mockery? I suppose. My grandfather (a Catholic man) encouraged my studies in art since an early age. Ah yes, the old "other people are crazy so take some medication" nutcase case. It's just art bro. If you go to a Catholic church, especially of European ones, they tend to be very artistic. Catholic women tend to be naturally artistic, as it all comes from the heart.

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>>134510468
>And I'm not going down the rabbit hole again. Never again. I refuse to willingly live my life a slave to the belief that I am being watched and judged at all times. That a loving god will cast me into the lake of fire if I slip up.
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Will you go to Heaven when you die? Here’s a quick test: Have you ever lied, stolen, or used God’s name in vain? Jesus said,
“Whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.”
If you have done these things, God sees you as a lying, thieving, blasphemous, adulterer at heart,
and the Bible warns that one day God will punish you in a terrible place called Hell.
But God is not willing that any should perish. Sinners broke God’s Law and Jesus paid their fine.
This means that God can legally dismiss their case:
“For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son,
that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.”
Then Jesus rose from the dead, defeating death. Today, repent and trust Jesus, and God will give you eternal life as a free gift.
Then read the Bible daily and obey it. God will never fail you.

>>134513006
Will you go to Heaven when you die? Here’s a quick test: Have you ever lied, stolen, or used God’s name in vain? Jesus said,
“Whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.”
If you have done these things, God sees you as a lying, thieving, blasphemous, adulterer at heart,
and the Bible warns that one day God will punish you in a terrible place called Hell.
But God is not willing that any should perish. Sinners broke God’s Law and Jesus paid their fine.
This means that God can legally dismiss their case:
“For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son,
that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.”
Then Jesus rose from the dead, defeating death. Today, repent and trust Jesus, and God will give you eternal life as a free gift.
Then read the Bible daily and obey it. God will never fail you.

Nice. Sure I never wanted to go to Sunday school but that was because I lived in a nice neighborhood with tons of friends I was always with.

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>>134513142
No, genuine concern, that's all. Whenever I see raving religious people, I think back to my own experiences, and I'm so glad I got the help I needed. I just don't want people to have to go through what I did.

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>>134513358
Wow good posts anon u could publish a book with all the stuff you wrote there and I would read it and you could title it: "a very good post by anon that lots of people will read"